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Bulgarian syndrome

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Inevitably, the same sad theme arises in consciousness: Russia spent in the 19th century millions of gold rubles (which it was not at all superfluous, and could be useful for very different purposes) and tens of thousands of soldiers' lives (which are invaluable in general), freeing the Balkan Slavs, in particular, the Bulgarians from the Ottoman yoke. Whoever today tried to assert, oppression took place, and the release was hard and bloody. Incidentally, it was not only the Balkan Slavs who were freed, freedom, except for the Serbs and Bulgarians, was also received by the Greeks and Romanians. History This liberation largely accounts for the Russian history of the nineteenth century.

I think everyone is aware of what happened next: the two world wars liberated Bulgaria fought against Russia. This is exactly the same way: two world wars for the Kaiser and Hitler. Few people in Russia know about this, but during the WWII Bulgaria under the auspices of the Third Reich tried to create a “Great Bulgaria” on the Greek and Serbian lands ... Now it is a loyal member of NATO. By the way, the Bulgarian ambassador flashed on the screen, supposedly the Bulgarians would simplify obtaining a visa for the Russians. Thank you, "bros," to Turkey, with which we fought so many times, we have a visa-free regime ... It's a funny thing, isn't it?
But, of course, a generous gesture from the Bulgarian Foreign Ministry conquered all Russians, just laid it on the spot, on both shoulder blades ... Although, had Bulgaria remained in Turkey (which is logical), we would have gone there without a visa. Such is the historical paradox: Russian soldiers fought with the Turks (who now accept Russians without visas) for the freedom of the Bulgarians (who look at the “Russo tourist” with a suspicious squint and require documents). Difficult science is history, isn't it?

So suddenly life is shaping up: up to the very downed Su-24, relations with “Muslim, hostile” Turkey were much better with us than with “fraternal, Orthodox” Bulgaria. Such things, such a funny incident, such a paradox. No, of course, you can bring a lot of arguments from the Bulgarian side that the Russians “are to blame for everything”, that “they left Bulgaria” did not help there and there and there ... But, you all understood: it’s sad sad and hopeless ... Arguments can be given endlessly, the facts will remain facts. Here it is customary to take offense terribly, to start “tearing the vest on yourself”, insulting someone there ... You do not need this, too much. Unworthy of this great power.

In geopolitics it is useful to think sober, and not to throw out emotions (I think, even Erdogan agrees with that, at least now). After all, what did we do after “liberation”? And we got small ambitious “independent” states that least wanted to show someone their appreciation and gratitude (especially “barbarous and backward” Russia). They began to live their own lives and solve their own problems. Surprisingly, this is the case. And there is nothing to be surprised at - the natural course of events.

By the way, the situation with Serbia is not much better than with Bulgaria, just remember, and when were we allies? Good question, yes? During the Second World War, everything was "not so simple." In the sense that Tito was more focused on the British, and not on the Russians. Is amazing? I know, now someone will say that he was more impressed by the British parliamentary democracy ... Of course, of course ... Tower Bridge in the traditional London fog ... It is just fascinating. And then the nasty Stalin tried to subjugate the freedom-loving Yugoslavia, but the proud Serbian people retained their freedom won with such difficulty. By the way, I think in the years through 30 about the “freedom-loving Lukashenko” and “totalitarian Putin” will begin to tell a similar legend.

So, please, do not be here for this nonsense. The Serbs were not our allies: hurt, but true. You just need to prove it with something specific, except for pure emotions. But it is impossible to prove: alas and ah. In our mind, as in Klitschko’s (Netherlands / Holland) mind, in parallel there are two Serbian peoples. One, which is some kind of "brothers", the other - the backbone of Yugoslavia, which during the entire Cold War was absolutely not interested in the problems of the USSR, but looked more to the West. Here "we have such pies." Serbs also remember Russia, only when they have problems. I do not know why, just stating the sad facts. Our problems somehow do not bother them.

So, first of all: I do not call for a powerful tantrum on this occasion, life is what it is. It should be taken calmly and adequately. No one should be offended by anyone, much less no one needs to “take revenge” (as some wanted to take revenge on Bulgaria in the WWI). It is stupid and irrational. We have some system problem in foreign policy, and it certainly needs to be addressed. Doesn't it seem strange to you that today we find a common language with the United States much easier than with “union Belarus”? And who do you think is to blame? You know, this very kind advice, that if you constantly have the same problems with others, then the problem is in you, not in them?

Do not you think that we are doing something wrong? For hundreds of years we have been moving some “brotherly Orthodox” projects, and following the results we constantly get a “turnout”, we are terribly offended, we fall into depression ... But, in my opinion, this is a reason to seriously think and reconsider priorities. Even so. At one time, Abraham Lincoln was asked: "How long should a person's legs be?" “To reach the ground,” was his answer. A successful policy is a policy that works, and not one that looks beautiful.

At one time, a certain Bismarck voiced ideas real politician, that is, a policy that is not tied to some kind of ideology, religion, etc. Somehow it seems to me that it would be much smarter not to try to fence some complicated schemes, but to use ordinary diplomacy. There should be only two situations. The first is the subject of the Russian Federation and we build all relations on the principle of a “common pot” and historical community of interests. The second is a foreign country (friendly or not is another matter) and all communication goes through the office of Mr. Lavrov.

Judging by the sleek appearance and expensive costumes, Mr. Lavrov lives quite well, so let him work out his earnings. But seriously, the situation when the leader of the neighboring state “opens the doors with his foot” into the high Kremlin offices (me) is somewhat abnormal. So it should not be. Independent state? Welcome to the Foreign Ministry. What do you want? Somehow, through the Foreign Ministry, our relations are lined up much better than using the “people's diplomacy” method. Not a fig this is your "people's diplomacy." Nowhere and never. Alone scandals. So only cold calculation, only professionals, only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

You shouldn’t be offended by anyone - it hurts business and politics, you have to make decisions on a cold head and being sober. And no emotions, no "Orthodoxy." "Naruli" already in the CIS space lovers ... So only the Foreign Ministry, only hardcore. Not important: Bolivia, Bulgaria, Bangladesh, Belarus or Burundi. And everything will be fine (Sergey Lavrov guarantees this). The consequences of the policy of “meeting old friends without ties” will be hiccupped for a long time. Honestly - fed up! You, when the tooth hurts, go to a good dentist, and not to the witch in the 5 generation? Here is the same thing.

It is time to admit that attempts to invent "their" methods of work in international relations suffered a complete fiasco. So in such matters I trust only professional diplomats from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - they do not exist such faylov. As soon as after the second Maidan, official relations with Ukraine (or what was left of them) began to be built, finally, along the line of the Foreign Ministry, everything became much more logical and simpler. Misunderstanding is largely a thing of the past. Everything has become clearer, more honest and frank - so long ago. After all, why do we have such “thoughtful” relations with the United States (at least, we understand each other)? Because they are handled personally by the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Why do we have such a mess, for example, in relations with Belarus (we generally nothing can not agree)? Because there a dozen lovers "fraternized" there for a quarter of a century And now there the devil himself will break his leg.

It is necessary, finally, to learn the “Bulgarian lessons”: there is no friendship in politics, and there are no friends either. All our attempts to build relations with other countries “humanly,” and not politically, end in a rather monotonous way. Certainly in the Kremlin at the time, many shouted: "Why do we need some kind of diplomacy with Ukraine and Belarus - we so agree. " And how was it all over? Agreed? As for the regions of the Russian Federation, there are no problems, no matter how many subsidies we allocate - this is our territory. As for any international agreements - only through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Otherwise, we will constantly have a “field of miracles” and a lot of complaints about us.

This, you know, how if you do business with relatives, this does not mean that you do not need to arrange everything on paper or that the services of an expensive lawyer are superfluous. Money through love and design at the notary, and we will be friends and fraternize at the holiday table.
In general, life is a funny thing: Bulgaria, in alliance with Germany and against Russia, lost two world wars, and even Turkey lost only one (few people remember this, but God sees everything). That is, if Bulgaria remained part of Turkey, they would not have had to fight for Hitler.

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  1. avvg
    avvg 8 May 2016 09: 39
    +63
    It's time we have to get used to the fact that Russia has no friends. "Russia has two allies - its army and navy" (Alexander III)
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 8 May 2016 10: 26
      +103
      Born in the USSR. He studied history there, at the same time. Sam from Samara. The city has a large street, Stara Zagora, in honor of the twin city. The mayor, Alabin Pyotr Vladimirovich, in addition to participating in the Oltenitsky and Inkerman battles (Crimean company), with the outbreak of the Russo-Turkish war, participated in the liberation of Bulgaria. He was appointed first governor of Sofia. The Samara banner (Bulgarian. Samara banner) is one of the symbols of the armed forces of Bulgaria. The canvas embroidered by the nuns of the Iversky Convent was donated by the residents of Samara to the Bulgarian militias during the Russo-Turkish War ...
      How to relate to all this horror that has played out with the brains of "brothers" over the past three decades? request
      I repeated it on different branches, and I will repeat it now - buying friendship, alliance, disposition towards oneself is unworthy. If people do not need to nod at the government, people choose it, they consider it possible to sell their location for the sake of the momentary conjuncture - then these are "brothers" !!! And it is necessary to treat this people accordingly. In less than a hundred years, the "brothers" Bulgarians, betrayed us three times - in the First World War, opposing Russia as part of the German-Ottoman-Austro-Hungarian Union; in World War II, almost without hesitation, rushing into the arms of Hitler's Nazis; the third time they betrayed the Russians right now ...
      Have we played too much, ourselves, with our desire to have "Jews" in our brothers am
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 8 May 2016 10: 29
        +24
        And this is ours, the Samara flag - was handed to Bulgarian militias near the city of Ploiesti on May 18, 1877.
        1. yushch
          yushch 8 May 2016 10: 38
          +51
          The article is good, but I don't understand why take offense at them? We ourselves are largely to blame. Our problem is that we cannot or do not want to keep what we have achieved by paying with the lives of our soldiers and a lot of money. In this we would like to learn from the Anglo-Saxons, if they come where, you will drive them out of there, and we ourselves often surrender our interests to the applause of our "friends". So it turns out in the end such nonsense.
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 8 May 2016 11: 06
            +7
            You are right in giving the example of the Anglo-Saxons. Only now there were never and never were in our people willing slaves and always with the exposition of the dissenters. Even in Central Asia, slavery was abolished. It is not correct to regard the nobles as the RUSSIAN PEOPLE; they, together with the church * acted * as a colonial administration. And served the interests every time, with each new king, of different countries. And the last king and personal nest egg kept abroad, just like a modern oligarch, fearing for personal savings.
            1. yushch
              yushch 8 May 2016 13: 06
              +15
              Quote: Vasily50
              You are right in giving the example of the Anglo-Saxons. Only now there were never and never were in our people willing slaves and always with the exposition of the dissenters. Even in Central Asia, slavery was abolished. It is not correct to regard the nobles as the RUSSIAN PEOPLE; they, together with the church * acted * as a colonial administration. And served the interests every time, with each new king, of different countries. And the last king and personal nest egg kept abroad, just like a modern oligarch, fearing for personal savings.


              And what are the slaves here? I'm just saying that it was necessary to firmly insist on maintaining the military contingent, in the form of unlimited military bases in countries in which we want to maintain our influence or if our presence there is necessary for our geopolitical interests. As the British do in the same Gibraltar, Cyprus and other places.
              1. Basil50
                Basil50 8 May 2016 13: 38
                +4
                The British are ruining this today * strictly according to the law, tobish quietly *, and more recently, in the recent past century, they did not hesitate to shoot those who disagree, and * give a valuable resource * to those who wish * for rent *.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 9 May 2016 00: 02
                  +23
                  I think that Russia needs to become "stronger". Focus on yourself, do not waste resources on all kinds of help, as in the USSR. The whole world is shocked how from the "rusty" army of the Russian Federation in a short period of time it is being transformed into the most mobile and powerful armed forces in the world. Do the same in the economy and welfare of Russians (we have nowhere to go - we have to "stretch") - and all the Western and other neighbors will come running themselves - there will simply be nowhere to go. A rich market in the East from itself (Serbia, Hungary, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, Ukraine, Moldova, etc.) will force businesses and people to push there. All the more so if there are so necessary energy sources (and under the USSR the entire CMEA was fed by cheap Soviet energy sources, without which, as we see, they cannot see the "paradise" life). So I wish you (and us) to "rise" faster. hi
                  1. Naum
                    Naum 9 May 2016 22: 53
                    +5
                    100500%! You need to learn to RESPECT YOURSELF, then others will respect. THINK FIRST OF YOURSELF, your country and its people, then the others will not "wipe their feet" about us. So it was under Catherine the Great, Alexander the First, Alexander-3 the Peacemaker. This was the case under Stalin. RUSSIA SHOULD BE GREAT. All the other impudent Saka trash will feel it and agree.
                  2. poruchik
                    poruchik 10 May 2016 20: 05
                    +1
                    I definitely agree ... good
                  3. Peter
                    Peter 31 July 2016 08: 40
                    0
                    Theoretically, this is true, but the EU is a much more interesting market than the Russian one. The Russian economy has never historically been a force of attraction for the countries of Eastern Europe.
          2. cap
            cap 8 May 2016 11: 34
            +10
            Quote: yushch
            In this we would like to learn from the Anglo-Saxons, if they come where, you will drive them out of there, and we ourselves often surrender our interests to the applause of our "friends". So it turns out in the end such nonsense.


            Absolutely. The truth is that
            dog's heart
          3. bastard
            bastard 8 May 2016 12: 37
            +8
            Quote: yushch
            The article is good, but I don’t understand why take offense at them?

            And we are not offended, offended * (they put No. and carry water. And the article is really good. According to others, this is their misfortune.
          4. Sarmat149
            Sarmat149 8 May 2016 13: 34
            +8
            What insults are you talking about. None of those giving positive reviews about the article are offended. Just a statement of fact and all. Personally, I was very well cleared by such an event as the collapse of the USSR, then I was a platoon commander. About the brotherly love of yesterday’s fellow citizens, some memories are worth something (I would really kill, I don’t know how I could resist).
          5. Ivo
            Ivo 9 May 2016 15: 55
            +11
            You are right.
            Bulgaria once twice (7-10 centuries and once more - at the beginning of the 13th) was an independent "regional power".
            Since then, we are no longer an object of politics, that is, we are not an independent player in the international arena. With rare exceptions.
            From 1944 to 1988-9 we were in the sphere of influence of the Soviet Union.
            The Americans took advantage of the weaknesses (and the corruption of your 90s elite) and acquired Bulgaria in their area of ​​interest.
            Of course, we had a "fifth column" of compradors and state mafiotos, and among the former communists. They sold Bulgaria for a small penny and is "angry" to the Bulgarian people in this connection - the same thing is to hate the Russians of the 90s for something EBN "pros.al" of the Soviet Union.
          6. Ivo
            Ivo 9 May 2016 17: 16
            +20
            In recent months, I have been wondering if it would not be good if you had another Catherine the Great, say, at the beginning of the 19th century. After the victories over Napoleon, you had to annex the Balkans right up to the Aegean, and why not the Adriatic Sea. For several generations they would have fused both us and the Serbs. Of course, it is not a fact that after this the communists would not have made a fatal mistake as with Ukraine, but ... there is no "if" in history.
            He was considered a Bulgarian patriot, but when I see a rather large percentage of my sonarodniks (a small minority, but even 1-2%, makes me vile!) I would prefer to live within the Ottoman Empire, I did not care about my patriotism: among small nations there are no forces that resist manipulations, media (media) pressing and other instruments of actual hegemony.
            If you need to live in an empire, let it be Orthodox, with beautiful women and pretty men with a kindred language, not some mustachioed Islamist barmales (of both sexes :)!).
            1. Omurtag
              Omurtag 10 May 2016 18: 16
              -7
              Tee bastard and on-line bro. National traitor from the class. Yamam against Rusnacite - I’m grateful to eat it, but takiva don’t want to let you, give me something to give Rodinat to the aliens, they beat the Rusnatsi and screaming at Chervat.
              1. Ivo
                Ivo 10 May 2016 19: 33
                0
                Yes, it’s a lot difficult to sleep. Shchoto nyakakv poturnak me scum in Chervata. :)
            2. Peter
              Peter 31 July 2016 08: 29
              0
              "O foolish and foolish! Protect, behold, shamuvash and behold you call balgarin and do not match, and do not speak your own Yezik? Or do you not say the kingdom and d'rzhava? Tolkova godini sas ruled and beat glory and read a lot of earth and drink a lot of sausage The Romans took a dank from the silni and from the madri hrtsi. Both the king and the krales were given their royal daughters for the springs, for peace and love with the Bulgarian king. From the whole Slavic clan of the nai-Slavni they beat the b’lgarite, and they called it tsar, parvo te sa imali patriarch, parvo te sa se bostili ... "
          7. spiriolla-45
            spiriolla-45 9 May 2016 22: 05
            0
            Well, no, everything is different here. The people win the war with blood, and the top corps, at all times, sells the fruits of victories, both the people and the state as a whole. It seems to me that it will continue to be the same as it has been since the days of the king of peas.
          8. Shurik70
            Shurik70 10 May 2016 00: 14
            +7
            Quote: yushch
            Our problem is that we cannot or do not want to keep what we have achieved


            Keep?
            A person is either worthy, or a scoundrel, or so-so.
            The first one can help and free of charge. On occasion, they will respond with dignity.
            You can’t do anything with the second.
            With third, demand 100% prepayment for any action.

            The same with peoples.
            Iran, for example, can be helped.
            There are all sorts of people in Syria, but just now they have escaped from it "so-so", so it is now possible to help.

            Bulgaria is "so-so". There are worthy ones, and there are scoundrels. But any business with her to have now at 100% prepayment. And hold? What for?
            Let them live as they want. This does not concern us. And they don’t care if they swim in gold or ask for alms.
            If they manage to start an independent and dignified policy, it will be possible to reconsider relations. For example, at first, demand only 90% of the prepayment. And then we'll see.

            Quote: yushch
            we would learn from the Anglo-Saxons

            No, really.
            I do not want to learn meannesses.
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 10 May 2016 14: 13
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              There are worthy there, there are scoundrels
              So everywhere, among all nations and in any state. Nobody measured their number exactly, but their subjective perception and assessment of who is the hero and who is the liar is the subject of manipulation of public opinion.
              Quote: Shurik70
              I do not want to learn meannesses
              You are talking about the current political situation, as about the properties of countries and peoples. For what?
            2. Stanislas
              Stanislas 10 May 2016 14: 35
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              The same with peoples.
              Here is a puncture.
            3. alatanas
              alatanas 10 May 2016 15: 40
              +1
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPA9M2HDTE
        2. poruchik
          poruchik 10 May 2016 20: 01
          0
          well after all good
      2. barsik92090
        barsik92090 8 May 2016 13: 21
        0
        Very pessimistic. The bribed tops, with the assistance of the Goebels propaganda of the West, can for a while deceive and distract the people, but time will cure everything, though it is invincible.
      3. barsik92090
        barsik92090 8 May 2016 13: 21
        +1
        Very pessimistic. The bribed tops, with the assistance of the Goebels propaganda of the West, can for a while deceive and distract the people, but time will cure everything, though it is invincible.
      4. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 9 May 2016 16: 00
        0
        Correctly. In pi * do friends, there friends
        I'm my own pi * date friend.
        And not otherwise.
      5. TT1968
        TT1968 9 May 2016 20: 29
        0
        Another spit in Bulgaria !!!
        Your will! Obviously, you (Russia) do not need allies, you need obedient sixes. And the whole history of our relations, starting right from the Liberation, talking about this.
        I wonder why there are no such articles regarding Belarus, Romania, Serbia, Hungary, Poland, Turkey and other "partners" of Russia. Meanwhile, NO ONE Russian or Soviet monument in Bulgaria has been dismantled, unlike ...
        It’s true that there were excursions, but @ BIRTH OF BIRTH is everywhere. Enough about the sad !!!
        The action "Immortal regiment" took place in Bulgaria today. My grandfather fought against the Nazis as part of the 3rd Bulgarian Army, in the Third Ukrainian Front of Marshal Tolbukhin. He reached Vienna, was wounded and suffered from wounds until the end of his life.
        Happy Victory Day, BROTHERS !!!
      6. dark_65
        dark_65 10 May 2016 10: 16
        +3
        one-on-one thoughts ... a Bulgarian worked for me at a construction site. so he (at the age of 50 years old, a former Bulgarian retirement) really despised us Russians. they say Europeans. and we are not people.
        suffered. then just filled his face. The problem is that accepting the help of Russia (willingly). They don’t want to take responsibility for themselves. They feel flawed. They try to pour mud. Because someone helped them.
      7. Petrol
        Petrol 10 May 2016 11: 41
        0
        Bulgarians are not Slavs!
        Bulgarians are the same Turks whom Khan Asparuh renamed when he invaded the lands of the Slavs of the Iliyrians, in order to avoid complete death, made peace (forever, but their descendants forget about it)
      8. BEGA2015
        BEGA2015 10 May 2016 11: 41
        +1
        Totally agree!
        The so-called "fraternal Slavic peoples" have betrayed Russia more than once! At the head of modern European Russophobia is the government of Poland, heavily influenced by the United States.
        In all these Slavic countries there is Russophobic propaganda through mass media. The image of the enemy in the person of Russia is being formed.
        All these countries are part of NATO and fulfill the military-political will of the NATO leadership, i.e. USA.
        At the everyday level, Russophobia is somehow not very noticeable here, but there is fear of the "threat from the East".
        Nevertheless, the media of the NATO member countries, being influenced by the relevant NATO services and national governments, are intensively doing their job.
        It is no coincidence that in Germany, at demonstrations, the Germans call the local media nothing more than "Lügenpresse" - "The press of lies", because very often outright lies are published and only a complete du @ cancer cannot fail to notice.
        The media of the NATO member countries have long been not free, but fulfill a specific order.
        This "independence" of the Western media is very well shown in the film "Toy" with Pierre Richard in the title role, filmed almost 50 years ago.
        This film is no longer shown and it is almost impossible to buy it in the "West", but in Russian translation this film can still be viewed on "YouTube".
      9. poruchik
        poruchik 10 May 2016 19: 57
        0
        my father served in the Black Sea Fleet at the end of the 50s ... he talked about going to Varna ... they were let off to the bank on the shore ... they were invited from almost every yard to come in ... they were treated to local wine and fruit. .. each brought a pair of baskets with them to the ship ... ordinary people remember that, and politicians will always do as more profitable ...
      10. Peter
        Peter 31 July 2016 08: 50
        0
        In all the wars of the 20th century, you, not we, attacked us. Since 1885, you began to support the Serbs when they attacked Bulgaria. Since 1923, you began to feed the communist bandits and saboteurs.
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 8 May 2016 10: 52
      +3
      Even easier, with whom the Bulgars are those in the ass.
      Turks, Kaiser, the USSR, and I think NATO is the same. Summer through 5-10 and will come running from Brussels with shouts
      -Take Bulgaria with Romania in the ass.
    3. goose
      goose 10 May 2016 11: 16
      +1
      I must say, ordinary Bulgarians generally do not believe that their government at least somehow takes into account the interests of the population. They flee from Bulgaria no worse than from Latvia. But politicians saw euro grants, and so they live. Every year, populists fool the population, and there are virtually no alternatives to these cunning politicians. Because adequate policies in the absence of grants and sponsors cannot receive funding and overcome the electoral barrier.
      And the policy of Bulgaria was due to the fact that the Bulgarian dynasty of kings is direct and close relatives of the Hohenzollerns. At one time, the royal people did not speak Bulgarian at all. Sami chose in due time. True, then the relations of Prussia and Austria with Russia were completely different.
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 8 May 2016 09: 39
    +3
    I want to correct the author, Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR in World War II, she was a German satellite in every way helping her, but Bulgaria did not conduct military operations against us in the Second World War, unlike Orthodox Romanians.
    1. Olezhek
      8 May 2016 09: 49
      +12
      1 They fought for Hitler?
      2 Bulgarian fleet covered German convoys in the Black Sea?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 8 May 2016 10: 21
        +16
        Plus to this:

        3. They supplied Germany with food.
        4. Provided spa services for the Wehrmacht.

        In short, in addition to the military component, it was also a strong rear.
      2. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 8 May 2016 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        1 They fought for Hitler?

        Of course not - they fought for territories that they considered theirs located in Yugoslavia and Greece. And partly they were occupied (or freed in another form), and not without the help of Hitler.
        Well, after June 22, the situation is still the same as with the current Turkey in NATO.
        It was not the USSR that attacked the ally of Bulgaria, but the ally of Bulgaria (Germany) against the USSR, and did not inform Hitler Bolgar of the attack on June 22. So I can not support you in the war with the USSR. Only one question remains, but what about the territories for which Bulgarian blood has already been shed. And because of which the Bulgarians shot at the Yugoslavs and Greeks?
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 8 May 2016 13: 46
          +3
          [quote = Captain Nemo] [quote = Olezhek] 1 They fought for Hitler? [/ quote]
          Of course not - they fought for territories that they considered theirs located in Yugoslavia and Greece. And partly they were occupied (or freed in another form), and not without the help of Hitler.
          Somehow slippery and dull. OUN members and all sorts of different "forest brothers" too, it turns out that they were killed for Hitler, but for the "territories they considered their own" and for, ultimately, sacred European integration? Slippery, muddy and bloody.
          And now the same story ...
          1. Captain nemo
            Captain nemo 8 May 2016 16: 48
            0
            Quote: Vasyan1971
            Somehow slippery and dull. OUN members and all sorts of different "forest brothers" too, it turns out not for Hitler killed, but for "territories that they considered theirs"

            And what else if not for the territory?
            Or for the "revival of collective farms" with the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in Soviet Lithuania and Western Ukraine?
            For them, dear ones, because of them good, they shot the Red Army fighters, and they shot at them. And not for preserving the statehood of the 3rd Reich, the Rechospolitaya or the USSR. The only difference is that the Bulgarians did not shoot at the Red Army, for them the Wehrmacht soldiers who were released from the Balkans did it. And the OUN with the Forest Brothers, yes, only here one probably should not forget that the OUN with the LB did not shoot at the Yugoslavs and Greeks, and there was no blood cover on their hands. So do not hang all the dogs on the Bulgarians, whom they killed, let them in front of those and answer, and if there is no one, let them not all fall on them too.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 8 May 2016 20: 29
              +3
              Quote: Captain Nemo
              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Somehow slippery and dull. OUN members and all sorts of different "forest brothers" too, it turns out not for Hitler killed, but for "territories that they considered theirs"

              And what else if not for the territory?
              Or for the "revival of collective farms" with the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in Soviet Lithuania and Western Ukraine?
              For them, dear ones, because of them good, they shot the Red Army fighters, and they shot at them. And not for preserving the statehood of the 3rd Reich, the Rechospolitaya or the USSR. The only difference is that the Bulgarians did not shoot at the Red Army, for them the Wehrmacht soldiers who were released from the Balkans did it. And the OUN with the Forest Brothers, yes, only here one probably should not forget that the OUN with the LB did not shoot at the Yugoslavs and Greeks, and there was no blood cover on their hands. So do not hang all the dogs on the Bulgarians, whom they killed, let them in front of those and answer, and if there is no one, let them not all fall on them too.

              Well yes. Quite right. It remains only to "understand and forgive". And of course, each of the notorious "twelve languages" that piled on our Motherland (excuse me for the pathos) had its own motivation. Someone has hatred, someone has a desire to grab a little, someone has a desire to survive on his own at the expense of the death of another ... Was it easier for the Soviet people? And Hitler alone should be responsible for everything, and the others seem to be on the sidelines, but were they only following orders?
              And nobody is throwing everything on the Bulgarians. The point is that a clear trend is visible from the times of Shipka and Varna to NATO and South Stream. As the saying goes, "by their deeds you will know them" (Matthew 7:20). No more no less. And there is no need to sing songs about how grateful and friendly the common people are, and the government is not very good. Things are visible ...
              1. Captain nemo
                Captain nemo 8 May 2016 21: 25
                +2
                Quote: Vasyan1971
                Well yes. Quite right. It remains only to "understand and forgive". And of course, each of the notorious "twelve languages" that piled on our Motherland (excuse me for the pathos) had its own motivation. Someone has hatred, someone has a desire to grab a little, someone has a desire to survive on his own at the expense of the death of another ... Was it easier for the Soviet people?

                Soviet people are people who did not look for easy ways for themselves. And when they met an obstacle on their "righteous" path, they did not hesitate at any cost to try to overcome it.
                And only Hitler should be responsible for everything, and the rest seemed to be with his side, only the orders were carried out?

                There was a time when Hitler was "on the sidelines" and he without a roar and obediently carried out other people's orders, he was just unlucky and he began to give others his orders. So no - in front of himself he can be guilty, but in front of others like the whole World and its "winners" not at all.
                As the saying goes, "by their deeds you will know them" (Matthew 7:20). No more no less.

                Vo in and I about the same things, and not according to the words that Putin and Lavrov all the time disagree with their affairs. In the sense that today they will say one thing, and tomorrow they will be completely different. And I’ll be a fool all the time because, in their opinion, I misunderstood them quite recently and just yesterday.
                And you don’t need to sing songs about the fact that the simple people of the wow are grateful and friendly, and the government is not very. Things are visible ...

                And this is certainly the clinic of Lavrov and Putin, but not mine. I'm not talking about the fact that the people of Poland and Ukraine are good and want to be friends with Russia, but they always choose the wrong people for themselves. And because of that, Russia always recognizes the choice of the Polish and Ukrainian people after the elections as the only honest and "respected" in their choice.
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    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 8 May 2016 09: 54
      +14
      Quote: RUSS
      she was a satellite of Germany in every way helping her, but Bulgaria did not conduct military operations against us in WWII


      helping our enemy is like waging a war against us.
      Of course, it’s informative about Romanians, but we never considered Romanians in Russia as fraternal people.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 8 May 2016 10: 05
        0
        Quote: lopvlad
        Of course, it’s informative about Romanians, but we never considered Romanians in Russia as fraternal people.

        This was not considered by the fraternal people of the Romanians to be true, but the Balkans, together with the Romanian troops, were freed from the Turks.
        Quote: lopvlad
        helping our enemy is like waging a war against us.

        Helping the enemy is not a declaration of war; Bulgaria did not declare war on us.
        8 September 1944 Red Army troops entered the territory of Bulgaria, and in the evening of the same day the communist opposition carried out a coup against the government, establishing a government of the so-called. Patriotic front. On October 28 on October 1944 in Moscow, representatives of the USSR, Great Britain and the USA signed an armistice agreement with Bulgaria. In accordance with it, parts of the Bulgarian army, together with the Red Army, participated in operations to liberate the territory of Yugoslavia, Hungary and Austria from the German troops. 33 000 Bulgarian soldiers killed in battles against the German bloc
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 8 May 2016 10: 32
          +7
          [quote = РУСС] Killed in battles against the German bloc 33 000 Bulgarian soldiers [/ quoteGm ...

          Um ... I always respect your comments ...

          However, this grain of sand-a drop of virtues is drowning in the desert-ocean of betrayal and lies ...

          We will not talk about ordinary Bulgarians who are normally related to Russians and Russia ... In this case, we are talking about their kings and governments, their politics ...

          And in general, it would not be worth protecting Romanians and Bulgarians in a situation related to the 2nd World War ...

          PS Even in Poland, not all Poles hate Russians and Russia ... Now, these are the pirouettes of both the daily life of mankind and the policies of the governments of individual countries ...

          PS The minus is not mine ... I really do not put a minus, however, I expressed my disagreement with your opinion on this issue ...
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 8 May 2016 10: 53
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            However, this grain of sand-a drop of virtues is drowning in the desert-ocean of betrayal and lies ...

            Understand correctly, I am not a "lawyer" for the Bulgarians, but I am for objectivity.
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 8 May 2016 12: 43
              +2
              Quote: RUSS
              Understand correctly, I am not a "lawyer" for the Bulgarians, but I am for objectivity.



              I understood it, and for this reason I did not put a minus, but explained my position, my opinion on this situation ...
        2. moskowit
          moskowit 8 May 2016 10: 34
          +7
          Just like the Romanian, King Mihai, even for this he received the Order of Victory. But all this happened when the "smell of fried". Prostit.tki is prostit.tki ... And in the war against the USSR, they profited from reporting, how the vanquished avoided ... Allies and "brothers" damn it ....
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          1. Lukich
            Lukich 8 May 2016 11: 15
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            The Bulgarian people, whoever says anything, remembers who freed them from the Turkish yoke,

            and therefore, the Turks were invited to the anniversary of liberation. not us. the Turks freed them from themselves. yourself not funny?
        4. ele1285
          ele1285 8 May 2016 11: 23
          -2
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: lopvlad
          Of course, it’s informative about Romanians, but we never considered Romanians in Russia as fraternal people.

          This was not considered by the fraternal people of the Romanians to be true, but the Balkans, together with the Romanian troops, were freed from the Turks.
          Quote: lopvlad
          helping our enemy is like waging a war against us.

          Helping the enemy is not a declaration of war; Bulgaria did not declare war on us.
          8 September 1944 Red Army troops entered the territory of Bulgaria, and in the evening of the same day the communist opposition carried out a coup against the government, establishing a government of the so-called. Patriotic front. On October 28 on October 1944 in Moscow, representatives of the USSR, Great Britain and the USA signed an armistice agreement with Bulgaria. In accordance with it, parts of the Bulgarian army, together with the Red Army, participated in operations to liberate the territory of Yugoslavia, Hungary and Austria from the German troops. 33 000 Bulgarian soldiers killed in battles against the German bloc

          Interesting, only you act as "devil's advocate"
          Not a minus, not a plus. You just ...
        5. Pereira
          Pereira 8 May 2016 11: 23
          +2
          Romanians in battles with the Germans lost 37 thousand killed. So what? Should I forgive them?
        6. Gado
          Gado 8 May 2016 11: 54
          +5
          I see that you love to minimize those who disagree, well, go for it, and the person is telling the truth. So I realized that history has already ruined you and the participation of the Bulgarian troops in the victory over fascism does not mean anything to you, well, well ...
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 8 May 2016 12: 22
            0
            That's right. Does not mean anything. It used to have to start. At a minimum, do not participate in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia.
            And so, crawling along the sewers suddenly crawled out into the winners.
            We don’t need such little brothers for nothing. From them only a headache and extra expenses. They would cost us less than enemies.
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 8 May 2016 10: 28
        +13
        Quote: lopvlad
        helping our enemy is like waging a war against us.



        Hmm ... Life is such a strange thing ...

        The United States during World War II (the Great Patriotic War for us) on the one hand were our allies, and on the other hand, their business supplied Germany with strategic raw materials during the war ... And immediately after the war, the United States was ready to tear the USSR to shreds ...

        So all these friendship-unions are a temporary and unpredictable phenomenon ...

        Well, about the same Bulgarians and the Ukrainians and Belarusians mentioned together, as well as the Serbs ...
        Unfortunately, the author is right, and all relations with them should be built on a strictly official level ...

        And here again, it is necessary to repeat the truth, which got its teeth on edge: Russia has only two allies - its army and navy ...
        1. Olezhek
          8 May 2016 10: 42
          +4
          USA during 2 World War II (for us - the Great Patriotic War)


          The Great Patriotic War is like part of the Second World War.
    3. Igor39
      Igor39 8 May 2016 09: 56
      +9
      But participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia is not a war? Was our boat sunk in the year 41, not a war?
      Brothers are always under a stronger one, they always suck everyone up, the essence is this.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 8 May 2016 10: 07
        +5
        Quote: Igor39
        But participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia is not a war? Was our boat sunk in the year 41, not a war?

        All the same, this is not a war, this is "jackalism".
        1. oops
          oops 9 May 2016 07: 54
          -3
          Bulgarians are still stupidly jacking! Why do we need this beast?
          The USSR created a diverse economy for them, and they lowered everything down the drain. They became the primitive agricultural attachment of the EU. A third (or more) of the able-bodied population from the country has been dumped, as many dream of it!
          We can't get enough of such "brothers" for nothing !!! SHOULD THEM !!
      3. Proxima
        Proxima 8 May 2016 10: 27
        +5
        Quote: Igor39
        Brothers are always under a stronger one, they always suck everyone up, the essence is this.

        Any entrepreneur will say that dealing with a "leftist" person is always easier than dealing with a relative. In the first case, a mutually beneficial relationship and nothing personal, and in the second case - the devil will break his leg, in any case, you will remain a "bad person" - "he is a relative, and you work with him" pragmatically ". The situation is exactly the same with all the "fraternal Orthodox" peoples.
      4. Peter
        Peter 31 July 2016 08: 06
        0
        Your submarine was near our city, and not vice versa, that is, you waged an undeclared war against us. And what you call Greece and Yugoslavia are the Bulgarian lands in Macedonia.
    4. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 8 May 2016 10: 06
      +10
      Quote: RUSS
      I want to correct the author, Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR in World War II, she was a German satellite in every way helping her, but Bulgaria did not conduct military operations against us in the Second World War, unlike Orthodox Romanians.

      But you can't be "a little pregnant"! You can fight in different ways. And the satellite-shmatellite is all a play on words. Semantic gimmicks. On the side of Hitler? So - against the USSR! Dot!
      PS Well, there are also, unfortunately, in our Fatherland "RUSS" s, for whom the Great Patriotic War is the 2nd World War ...
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 8 May 2016 10: 49
        -1
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        PS Well, there are also, unfortunately, in our Fatherland "RUSS" s, for whom the Great Patriotic War is the 2nd World War ...

        As I understand it, are you this to me? No, you are wrong for me the Great Patriotic War is sacred! And the 2nd World is History.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 8 May 2016 13: 32
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: Vasyan1971
          PS Well, there are also, unfortunately, in our Fatherland "RUSS" s, for whom the Great Patriotic War is the 2nd World War ...

          As I understand it, are you this to me? No, you are wrong for me the Great Patriotic War is sacred! And the 2nd World is History.

          This is me all.
          And the Great Patriotic War, in your opinion, what side does it relate to History?
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 8 May 2016 13: 50
            -1
            Quote: Vasyan1971
            And the Great Patriotic War, in your opinion, what side does it relate to History?

            I mean, the Second World War is our Holy War and our Victory, the Second World War is part of our great History, and the Second World War is just part of the History. For me, these are different wars.
      3. Peter
        Peter 31 July 2016 08: 03
        0
        It turns out that when in alliance with Hitler they divided Poland, fought against themselves?

        The USSR maintained diplomatic relations with Bulgaria during the war, which means that they believed that Bulgaria was against the USSR.
    5. Andrey K
      Andrey K 8 May 2016 10: 46
      +9
      Quote: RUSS
      I want to correct the author, Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR in World War II, she was a German satellite in every way helping her, but Bulgaria did not conduct military operations against us in the Second World War, unlike Orthodox Romanians.

      And really fellow That it’s a nod to the Bulgarian, because they only transferred their weapons to the Wehrmacht, repaired the equipment, and sent them to eat on the Eastern Front fool
      They didn’t kill themselves. angry
      Legally, this is called an accomplice, and they should have gone as a "steam locomotive" at the Nuremberg process ... They were also left outside the parentheses, they didn't seem to shoot themselves, and the "brothers" seemed to be ... negative
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 8 May 2016 11: 21
        +5
        Quote: Andrey K
        And the truth is that it’s a nod to the Bulgarians, they all just transferred their weapons to the Wehrmacht, repaired the equipment, and sent them to eat on the Eastern Front

        On the eve of World War II, US corporations and banks invested $ 800 million in the country's industry and financial system. The amount at that time is huge. Of these, the leading four from America invested about $ 200 million in the militarized German economy: Standard Oil - 120 million, General Motors - 35 million, ITT investments amounted to 30 million, and Ford - $ 17,5 million .
        The fact that even after the United States entered World War II on December 11, 1941, American corporations continued to actively fulfill orders of firms of enemy countries, supported the activities of their branches in Germany, Italy and even Japan, is shocking. To do this, it was only necessary to apply for special permission to carry out economic activities with companies controlled by the Nazis or their allies. The presidential decree of December 13, 1941 allowed such transactions, doing business with enemy companies, if there was no special ban from the Treasury of America. Very often, American corporations without problems received permits to work with enemy firms and supplied them with the necessary steel, engines, aviation fuel, rubber, radio components ... So the power of the military industry of Germany and its allies was supported by the economic activities of the United States, whose companies received superprofits for their transactions with the enemy. Verily, to whom is war, and to whom is mother dear ...

        And the United States was our allies ....
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 May 2016 15: 30
          -1
          Please note: not German companies, but
          "controlled by the Nazis or their allies."
          This refers mainly to French firms that did not produce military
          products.
          And so, up to 50% of the US military industry worked for Lend-Lease - practically for the USSR.
          1. noWAR
            noWAR 8 May 2016 22: 41
            +2
            You lie, a dog, they worked for Britain in fact. Tuftogon.
    6. Lukich
      Lukich 8 May 2016 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR in World War II, it was a satellite of Germany in every way helping it,

      and horseradish radish is not sweeter? but nothing that the factories "brothers produced weapons for the war with us? is it like? friendship? and one more such friend and enemies will not be needed
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 8 May 2016 13: 34
        +5
        Quote: Lukich
        Quote: RUSS
        Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR in World War II, it was a satellite of Germany in every way helping it,

        and horseradish radish is not sweeter? but nothing that the factories "brothers produced weapons for the war with us? is it like? friendship? and one more such friend and enemies will not be needed

        And the most "friendly" were the Czechs. In three shifts we were "friends" ...
      2. Peter
        Peter 31 July 2016 07: 52
        0
        That is, the Germans bought weapons from us? And did we repair their weapons? Maybe we came up with FAA 2?
    7. 222222
      222222 8 May 2016 11: 53
      0
      Who sank a Soviet submarine in the Varna region?
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%
      D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%
      D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B5
    8. AID.S
      AID.S 8 May 2016 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      Bulgaria against us in the Second World War did not lead, unlike the Orthodox Romanians.

      "What's the difference!"
    9. oops
      oops 9 May 2016 07: 01
      +5
      The Soviet troops of the USSR fought against the Nazi armies of Europe, or *** wallowed? Women and children of Soviet defense plants also have nothing to do with Victory?
      So Bulgaria did not send troops to the front, but carried out logistical support. And fed the Nazis, and the Black Sea coast guarded ...
      1. Peter
        Peter 31 July 2016 07: 44
        0
        Guarded YOUR Black Sea coast.

        You fed the Communists in Bulgaria and sent saboteurs since 1923. That is, since then they waged an undeclared war.

        The leadership of the USSR maintained diplomatic relations with Bulgaria, which means that it considered Bulgaria non-combatant with the USSR
    10. Ros 56
      Ros 56 9 May 2016 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      Bulgaria did not fight against the USSR


      You will tell this in the program "The obvious incredible"
      I have a question for all sane people - and we rest on horseradish to prove to all the deaf-eaters that we are not camels, it can be easier to send them to the unknown, well, in extreme cases - zero emotions.
    11. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 9 May 2016 22: 17
      +3
      Bulgaria did not nominally participate in the war of Germany against the USSR. But, Bulgaria’s participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia and hostilities against Greek and Yugoslav partisans freed up German divisions to be sent to the Eastern Front. In addition, on 6 on December 1941, Bulgarian patrol ships sank the Soviet submarine Sch-204 in the Varna region.
      1. Peter
        Peter 31 July 2016 07: 35
        0
        In the Varna area? Maybe it was necessary to sprinkle with flowers of communist saboteurs?

        Bulgaria did not occupy Greece and Yugoslavia, but annexed the lands of the Macedonian Bulgarians, which our neighbors robbed not without Russian help, so we were on our land. And the Communists were persecuted for their terrorist activities, which were led to our land with the help of the USSR since 1923.
  3. Phosgene
    Phosgene 8 May 2016 09: 47
    -1
    Bulgaria is an ungrateful pig, completely indebted to its existence and sovereignty of Russia. We will not forget the affairs of the Jews of Judah and we will not forgive!
    1. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 8 May 2016 09: 50
      -1
      A flag in your hands, a drum around your neck - and you can go bear retaliation in the name of justice laughing
    2. Gado
      Gado 8 May 2016 11: 59
      +5
      And you distinguished yourself as a swine by looking at your comment, diphosgene.
  4. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 8 May 2016 09: 48
    +9
    An interesting point of view. True, I doubt that such an opinion will be taken into account above. And the habit of building relationships not solely on a business basis, but on some other one, will come to our side more than once.
  5. Pitot
    Pitot 8 May 2016 09: 51
    +4
    Bulgaria did not fight during the Second World War against the USSR (probably), but helped the Third Reich in the war against the USSR (economically). And she participated in the intervention during the civil war in Russia. And now how many of these nits-brothers behave inappropriately. Not grateful. I personally feel sorry for my ancestors.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 8 May 2016 10: 14
      +3
      Quote: Pitot
      Bulgaria did not fight during the Second World War against the USSR (probably), but helped the Third Reich in the war against the USSR

      Well, probably like this:
      After the attack on the USSR in June, 1941 Hitler repeatedly demanded that Tsar Boris send Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front. However, fearing the growth of pro-Russian sentiments, the tsar evaded this requirement and Bulgaria did not nominally participate in the German war against the USSR. However, Bulgaria’s participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia and hostilities against Greek and Yugoslav partisans freed up German divisions to be sent to the Eastern Front. In addition, on 6 on December 1941, Bulgarian patrol ships sank the Soviet submarine Sch-204 in the Varna region. After the attack on Pearl Harbor and the declaration of war by Germany by Germany, Canada, Australia and New Zealand declared war on Bulgaria on December 7 on December 1941 and Great Britain declared war on 12 on December 1941. Great Britain.
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%
      D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%
      D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B5
    2. Angor
      Angor 10 May 2016 12: 15
      -4
      Bulgarians fought with those who gave the opportunity to return theirs, and no more!
      If you are Russian: your ancestors liberated the Bulgarians because they knew that the letters you write, the prayers for which They prayed were once given for free from the same Bulgarians and did not ask for anything in return.
      If your ancestors found out that you ask for gratitude every 5 minutes, they got up from the grave and both you and ZAHU.S.L.I.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 13: 43
        -3
        Stop raving. "Letters and prayers" in Russia were received from the Greeks in 988.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 10 May 2016 21: 52
          0
          Insolence is simply enchanting, neither the Greeks nor the Bulgarians brought anything to the culture of RUSSIA, all the allusions to Cyril are stupidity from ignorance, this * holy man * translated * holy lists * on the orders of the Vatican. It’s interesting, if I translate something into English, what letters will I write? The NAGLOSENCY of churchmen and believers in appropriation of CULTURE OF RUSSIA is worthy only of contempt.
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        3. Peter
          Peter 31 July 2016 07: 09
          -1
          The Greeks themselves write in the life of St. Clement of Ohrid that he created the ABC, on which we now correspond. The oldest monuments in the Slovenian language, how to speak correctly, but in non-Slavic, meet the rules of the Bulgarian language, and only after some time from our literary language did the Serbian and Russian literary languages ​​develop.
    3. Peter
      Peter 31 July 2016 07: 14
      -1
      Civil War Intervention? They mixed something up - Russia attacked our Dobrudja and Macedonia and suffered a defeat, as can be seen from the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty.
  6. krops777
    krops777 8 May 2016 09: 53
    +8
    I, too, cannot understand why are we helping them all? and then "a knife in the back" from those who were helped.
  7. Basil50
    Basil50 8 May 2016 10: 03
    +9
    Bulgaria is a very good example, thanks to the author for not being afraid to write about the failure of * popular * diplomacy as well. A lot of things about the Bulgarians and other liberated nations can be said, a lot, except that * the people are grateful *. In general, the words FM DOSTOEVSKY will always be relevant. My opinion is that in these countries for * gaining respect * it was necessary to pursue a colonial policy in the spirit of England or France, and even Belgium, this is when * useless * slaves were cut off their hands and through the gates. Well, former colonies cannot be grateful, they do not know how. Moreover, the * elite * merged in * ecstasy * with their former owners, and suddenly everything collapsed, and some ideas * are * breathing in *. Here are the former and are trying to liberate more nasty things about the liberators, and you can punish those who do not believe. This happens in all countries, from Finland to China, almost across the border. It got to the point that in Central Asia storytellers appeared about paradise life under the khans-emirs, and there are those who believe. Some kind of psychic twist of consciousness, well, they don’t want to live without a master, and how they hate those who don’t want to be the OWNER, but make them be * brotherly people *, this is a responsibility, which they don’t want to take upon themselves, but why, responsibility but rot * souls * can be dumped with impunity.
    1. Peter
      Peter 31 July 2016 06: 51
      0
      You have a rather romantic view of Russian politics towards the Bulgarians.

      Russia attacked Bulgaria in the First World War and in the Second World War. But according to your perverted logic, we should thank you for this, right? And for the madness of communism that you have built, you also need to thank, probably?

      Dostoevsky did not mean to continue the imperialist policy that you pursued, but, on the contrary, urged you not to interfere in the affairs of other peoples. But you yourself do not listen to those whom you magnify.
  8. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 8 May 2016 10: 04
    +3
    "Great friendship" with hypocrites and consumers is equal to voluntary death.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 May 2016 10: 20
    +5
    It's time to eliminate the word "brothers" from our vocabulary. There were "brothers" when their militia with our troops fought against the Turks. Much time has passed since then, and during this period Bulgaria has repeatedly shown open betrayal in relation to those who saved it.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 8 May 2016 10: 24
      +2
      The south stream showed Bulgaria’s independence, but when they closed the project, they squealed that they would almost build it themselves laughing
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 8 May 2016 10: 29
        +1
        South Stream is one of the components of the treacherous behavior of Bulgarian politicians.
  10. beer-youk
    beer-youk 8 May 2016 10: 26
    +2
    If the author had decided to write about the Serbs, it would seem that he should know that Tito is an ethnic Croat who made a lot of efforts so that the Serbs in Yugoslavia would be infringed more than other peoples.
    1. Olezhek
      8 May 2016 10: 31
      +1
      that Tito is an ethnic Croat who made a lot of efforts so that the Serbs in Yugoslavia would be infringed more than other peoples.


      1 I know who Tito was "by passport"

      2 It turns out that the Serbs in Yugoslavia were an "oppressed nation"?
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 8 May 2016 13: 29
        -1
        This is because of all * Serbs * only Tito dared to openly oppose the Germans
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      3. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 08: 27
        0
        The Serbs were not "oppressed" but were worse off than the rest. When creating the borders between the Yugoslav republics, the resettlement of Serbs was not taken into account at all, and entire municipalities, where Serbs were the overwhelming majority of the population, suddenly found themselves in Bosnia, then in Croatia. Kosovo and Vojvodina were artificially cut out of Serbia, which received almost republican status. Serious repressions were carried out against the Serbian Orthodox Church.
  11. PValery53
    PValery53 8 May 2016 10: 32
    +2
    Friendship of any foreigners does not need to be "bought" - they need to be interested in mutually beneficial cooperation. So the ally will be more reliable, because otherwise it will have economic damage. But it happens that the global interests of a country require sacrificing some of its economic interests. Just not to overstrain.
  12. kind
    kind 8 May 2016 10: 36
    +3
    The Bulgarians, like the Georgians, do not remember the good from Russia, and the Turks both slaughtered and stole them into slavery. Except Russia, no one stood up for them, and now they are trying to trample saviors into the mud — thankless creatures. negative
    1. Gado
      Gado 8 May 2016 12: 02
      +3
      You will be surprised how much we remember, but people like you really don’t remember anything.
      1. kind
        kind 8 May 2016 17: 07
        +2
        So if you remember, behave accordingly.
  13. Geser
    Geser 8 May 2016 10: 45
    +10
    I agree that Russia as a great power should pursue an independent policy based on pragmatism and cold calculation. In politics, there is no place for emotions, in this regard it is not a sin to learn from the West, which has always acted in politics in this way. As for the Serbs and in particular the role of Yugoslavia in World War II, it’s not bad to know the following: the guerrilla war in Yugoslavia fettered ten Wehrmacht divisions. And imagine that these 10 divisions would be on the Eastern Front, just near Moscow. Presented? I think the outcome of the war would be completely different. And thanks to the Yugoslavs and Tito, these 10 divisions were forced to fight in Yugoslavia, and not on the Eastern Front. And the West remembered this, and half a century later revenge came - the bombing of Yugoslavia, which led to its death and disintegration into several states. Well, as for real politics - I doubt that our elite will at least somehow pursue it - because it has all its property abroad, its children live and study abroad. Until our entire elite changes, real people come to think first of all about the interests of their country and people — Russia will not pursue any real policy.
    1. Olezhek
      8 May 2016 10: 48
      +3
      As for the Serbs and, in particular, the role of Yugoslavia in World War II, it’s not bad to know the following: the guerrilla war in Yugoslavia held down ten Wehrmacht divisions.


      If you think this is big news - alas and ah.

      Tito and the Serbs fought for themselves and looked to the West and not to Moscow.

      I kind of do not write that someone there is bad, just the Serbs are not really our allies.
      Why? I do not know.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 08: 28
        0
        The Serbs did not look to the West in WWII. It is not clear how you got it at all.
  14. sevtrash
    sevtrash 8 May 2016 10: 47
    +4
    Once upon a time, it is necessary to get rid of the notions of friendship in politics - it does not exist, there are only joint interests, which, in turn, exist today, and tomorrow do not. At the household level, perhaps there are some sympathies based on previous education, family history. But the country is led by politicians, people who are guided by the priority of their interests and the interests of the state, of course, adjusting the interests of the state to their own.
    So you need to proceed from the existence of joint benefits, now and in the future. History matters only when it plays on these interests.
  15. Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 8 May 2016 10: 57
    0
    It’s time for Caesar Caesarean, etc.
  16. Andrey K
    Andrey K 8 May 2016 10: 59
    +8
    Quote: Talker
    Modern relations between Russia and Bulgaria are the result of our foreign policy ...
    ... By the way, I’m sure that the Bulgarians are told in the media about the insidious Russians ...

    You ask the Bulgarians am
    1. poruchik
      poruchik 10 May 2016 20: 25
      0
      in these photos unequivocal tolerant perversions am but people aren’t all like that, don’t even try to convince drinks
  17. Izotovp
    Izotovp 8 May 2016 11: 01
    +4
    http://www.lomonosov.org/russia/russia551.html
    This is a quote from the great Dostoevsky about the Western Slavs. Everything is perfectly said. Do not decrease, do not add.
    And the second: the Foreign Ministry is not a panacea. We have an amateur and Chernomyrdin taxied and professional Kozyrev so that his eyes poked his forehead.
  18. wanderer
    wanderer 8 May 2016 11: 04
    +1
    I wonder how much more that rake will knock on the forehead? It’s time to realize that all these slippery guys (not only Bulgarians, but also the rest of the “friends and brothers”) understand only the carrot and the stick.
    1. Gado
      Gado 8 May 2016 12: 05
      +3
      Looking at your flag, I’d like to say - although you, Moldovans, do not buzz, but first look at yourself before judging others.
  19. midshipman
    midshipman 8 May 2016 11: 06
    +12
    Amazingly correct article. My ancestors fought for the freedom of Bulgaria in the 1870s. One direction of hostilities was commanded by General Stolypin (father of our prime minister under Nicholas II). So this Stolypin managed to agree with the European countries so that Bulgaria began to have access to the Black Sea. And what a thank you.
    I published the story "The Forgotten Governor-General", this is about M.A. Miloradovich. I had interesting conversations with prominent statesmen, and in the end, in September 2015, in St. Petersburg M.A. A wonderful monument was erected to Miloradovich (near the Moscow Gate on Moskovsky Prospekt). At the unveiling of the monument, an envoy of the Serbian Republic arrived, who at the opening of the monument said the words: "Russia has two allies, the Army and the Navy. And now there is a third ally, Serbia." Then in the Novodevichy Convent (this is also on Moskovsky Prospekt) we talked with him and I expressed the idea that such a thing cannot be said just like that. For Yugoslavia, the USSR did a lot, even my friend, a pilot, took I. Tito out of the environment, risking his life. And what we have. Our friends and allies that our country has nurtured have become our enemies. The author of the article, O. Egorov, is right. I have the honor.
    1. Gado
      Gado 8 May 2016 12: 11
      +2
      Bulgaria, the dearest, was a great state in the past and had access not only to the Black Sea, but also to two seas. This is for your information. And the letters on which you write, the Bulgarians gave you, and not the Greeks, so you do not read. Had the honor.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 8 May 2016 13: 25
        0
        Bulgarian. The claims of the Bulgarians for greatness and culture are not even funny but miserable. Our ancestors had a written language, and not one. Our ancestors from the Bulgarians tried * to make * * little brothers *. FAILED. Today, RUSSIANS AND RUSSIA are blamed for this * failure *, because nothing depends on the Bulgarians, they, like lost puppies, are looking for a master, so that there is no responsibility whatsoever.
        And then the Bulgarians. You remember about your * ancestral home * and for what they were expelled, and about Asparuh, with his campaigns.
        1. Peter
          Peter 31 July 2016 06: 31
          0
          Caesar Tervel, 705, can be considered the first Bulgarian king. The owners began to use the title of Tsar from about 900, recognized by Byzantium in 927. The first Russian Tsar - 1547

          Bulgarian Patriarchate - 927 year. Russian Patriarchate - 1589.

          The alphabet with which we communicate is invented, according to life, by the Bulgarian St. Clement of Ohrid. And all the most ancient monuments of the so-called Old Slavonic are written in Bulgarian.
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      3. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 08: 29
        +1
        Letters Bulgarians gave? What kind of nonsense? )))
  20. Pioneer Leader
    Pioneer Leader 8 May 2016 11: 08
    +3
    All right. In international relations there is no place for love and friendship! There is only political and economic interest. There is no love and brotherhood, only harsh pragmatism.
  21. ILIA
    ILIA 8 May 2016 12: 01
    +3
    I quote the unforgettable Shapoklyak ... or Shepoklyak .. "Who helps people ... is wasting time in vain ......."
  22. msm
    msm 8 May 2016 12: 28
    +5
    there is no friendship in politics, and no friends either. All our attempts to build relations with other countries “humanly”, and not politically, end fairly uniformly
    Tell Putin this truth, otherwise he won’t look anywhere - only partners
  23. dobrovic
    dobrovic 8 May 2016 12: 42
    +5
    I won’t say anything about the Bulgarians, but I have been communicating with Serbs and Montenegrins regularly for the past 10 years. Fine people, good friends and love our country. And what, to put them on a par with the arrogant Anglo-Saxons, for whom we are not even second grade, but rather garbage. I do not agree. Love is mutual and should not depend on politicians or business who are at the helm today.
    About 10 years ago, when there was a boom in our purchases of real estate in Montenegro, a Montenegrin acquaintance, behind a glass, told me: today you are buying everything and we have money, and tomorrow you will leave, and we will continue to live here ... So we often do we see only our own benefit and, by and large, our brother’s spit is often on everyone else ... not everyone, thank God. But, believe me, in Montenegro, not everyone wants to join NATO.
    It is necessary to develop friendships, and not just partnerships through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And, when they will hug us at a meeting and pour a glass, then everything will be fine with them and with us ...
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 08: 30
      -1
      The problem of the Serbs is that they have a very idealized view of Russia. They actually know little about us. And Russia is not conducting any practical actions in this direction.
  24. atamankko
    atamankko 8 May 2016 13: 18
    +4
    In the USSR there was a concept "... everything for the development of national borderlands ...", and where are these outskirts?
    It is necessary to build relations strictly officially, then betrayal will be much less.
  25. barsik92090
    barsik92090 8 May 2016 13: 26
    +1
    Quote: avvg
    It's time we have to get used to the fact that Russia has no friends. "Russia has two allies - its army and navy" (Alexander III)

    What can not be said in a fit of despair! The Russian world also has its own truth, except for repressions and coercion of the Anglo-Saxons!
  26. aleks700
    aleks700 8 May 2016 13: 26
    0
    The Serbs were not our allies: offensive, but true. It is just necessary to prove it with something concrete, except pure emotions. But it’s impossible to prove: alas, ah.
    The very first. World War I. If not allies then who? Second World War. Fought with Hitler or the USSR? If with Hitler, then the allies. In the Balkan wars, the Serbs managed themselves. During the liberation of Bulgaria, the Serbs fought with Turkey or with Russia? If with Turkey then the allies. Article minus.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 08: 31
      -1
      The Serbs in 1875-1878 fought against the Turks.
  27. barsik92090
    barsik92090 8 May 2016 13: 32
    +4
    The article is an example of sophisticated Western propaganda to liquidate the "Russian World" and force Russians to accept stale "Western values" in the form of dead-end values ​​in monetary terms. and the author of the article seems to have made some money. ...
  28. barsik92090
    barsik92090 8 May 2016 13: 47
    +6
    Quote: yushch
    The article is good, but I don't understand why take offense at them? We ourselves are largely to blame. Our problem is that we cannot or do not want to keep what we have achieved by paying with the lives of our soldiers and a lot of money. In this we would like to learn from the Anglo-Saxons, if they come where, you will drive them out of there, and we ourselves often surrender our interests to the applause of our "friends". So it turns out in the end such nonsense.

    But we ourselves "chose" Gorbachev and Yeltsin! And the collapse of the USSR led to the disintegration of close peoples and countries, which must also be ill with the "choice" of their leaders, selling the USA and their mother for candy wrappers, and not just their elected "".
  29. biserino
    biserino 8 May 2016 15: 47
    +3
    The name should be "Russian Syndrome". You are ordinary Russians, are you not guilty of choosing CIA agent Gorbachev as president of the USSR?
  30. kotev19
    kotev19 8 May 2016 16: 09
    +3
    Do not look so pessimistic at the Bulgarian people! And what do Sergey Lavrov’s costumes have to do with politics. But in general, the article feels the Anglo-American style - to bite on the sly, and at the same time go out as a hero! Here we are, we all know (we can’t do anything !!! laughing )
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 May 2016 16: 14
    +1
    Good namesake wrote, right. The official contract does not cancel
    preferences. Discounts, deferred payment, lower interest on loans ...
    But everything is official and certified. And only by agreement of the parties.
    And then we throw ourselves in all directions, suffer losses, and the rest is just convenient.
    But when after the invitation, and by agreement, then our sacrifices will be appreciated.
    An example of this is Syria. And what about the Republic of Belarus ... God bless them judge.
    If the population has (not) enough brains to stage a coup and go against Russia,
    then so be it.
  32. Sergey956
    Sergey956 8 May 2016 16: 26
    -1
    When you analyze the situation in Bulgaria, a cynical conclusion comes - Russia should not have fought for the Bulgarians in vain, it is no longer necessary. Soon, Sultan Erdogan will come to Bulgaria and they will make girls out of little brothers. This will be the right European action, do not bother them.
  33. biserino
    biserino 8 May 2016 17: 06
    -3
    The Russian Empire was the main goal of control over the Bosphorus and we have nothing more to our duty? 50 years guarded the southern border of the VD.
    By then, the union had broken up and your president, the CIA agent, told us the departed, bratushki?
    1. kind
      kind 8 May 2016 17: 12
      +3
      It seems to me that you are a troll. And write through a translator, otherwise the word bratushki would be written in Cyrillic.
  34. Siberian
    Siberian 8 May 2016 17: 09
    +2
    Happy Victory Day!
    Once again, "the same end but in the same place" - no one canceled classical psychology (neither newfangled trends, nor a test system could not), it sounds like this:
    "We do not love 2 people: the one who has favored us, because we feel obligated to him and the one whom we have offended - because we feel guilty before him."
    And that’s all. The rule is true both in relations between specific people and in relation to a person - a collective and, apparently, internationally - works ...
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 9 May 2016 08: 01
      +1
      Aw, moderators! And I have a star-striped flag because the avatar is a British cat? So it's not like me, but even she has never been to the name of her breed in the homeland of origin. We are from Russia!
  35. biserino
    biserino 8 May 2016 17: 31
    0
    Quote: Good
    It seems to me that you are a troll. And write through a translator, otherwise the word bratushki would be written in Cyrillic.

    and better in Bulgarian? And Bulgarian understand, that's for sure.
  36. esaul1950
    esaul1950 8 May 2016 18: 48
    +1
    It seems that other states of Russia should be treated adequately by their attitude towards us, and people always treat the opposite side in different ways.
  37. Friends
    Friends 8 May 2016 19: 47
    +3
    Quote: yushch
    We ourselves are largely to blame. Our problem is that we cannot or do not want to keep what we achieved by paying the lives of our soldiers and big money.


    Unfortunately, this often happens.

    There is no need to be offended ... We must overcome the "Cheburashka syndrome". And not to look for friends forever, who cannot be in geopolitics, but to defend their national interests. Is always.
  38. NordUral
    NordUral 8 May 2016 21: 53
    +2
    Right! forget once and for all this word - "brothers". Immediately I put it in quotation marks so that there are no analogies with the brotherhood. There is Russia with a cloud of problems. There are Russian interests outside the borders. And there are a lot of problems with "our" government. This should be done with all the zeal of the whole country.
  39. Egevich
    Egevich 8 May 2016 21: 58
    +6
    there are many comments, there’s not much sense ... we are also many for the Soviet Union, and so what? ... there’s nothing to blame for the mirror, if the face is crooked ... all the polymers themselves have been profiled and now the Bulgarians and Serbs are to blame ... and also all the countries, that they were part of the Warsaw Pact, are also to blame, why are we silent about them? .. Is the daughter-in-law guilty of everything? ..
    a fresh example of a not ostentatious attitude - on ebee I found a series of brands of Yugoslavia that interests me. Sold - Bulgarian. after a short communication, the series was given to me as a gift.
    the concept of "fraternal peoples" will not disappear for a long time ... my comrade, having retired from the army, began to teach Serbian, accordingly, and often visit Serbia. recently moved to Belgrade to live ... something like that ...
    do not rush to hang up labels and act as ardent accusers or scourges - all this in vain ...
  40. faterdom
    faterdom 8 May 2016 22: 00
    +6
    It's a shame when Russophobic rulers come to power in the "Brotherhood" states. But doubly when in Russia.
    I can say that the Yeltsin regime was quite Russophobic, its fragments in the government and the media are still sitting and whining before the bad weather in the state’s body.
    But to every little brother, God is the judge, and betrayal is the gravest of sins.
    1. Egevich
      Egevich 8 May 2016 22: 18
      +4
      Quote: faterdom
      It's a shame when Russophobic rulers come to power in the "Brotherhood" states. But doubly when in Russia.
      I can say that the Yeltsin regime was quite Russophobic, its fragments in the government and the media are still sitting and whining before the bad weather in the state’s body.
      But to every little brother, God is the judge, and betrayal is the gravest of sins.

      Duc and we did not betray them, when the police department collapsed and the USSR prosrali? ..
  41. noWAR
    noWAR 8 May 2016 22: 47
    +1
    Why is this a cramp?
  42. VictorSurov
    VictorSurov 8 May 2016 23: 33
    +3
    In 1878, my great-grandfather Surov left the Turkish oppression in Bulgaria with the Kuban Cossack Corps to the Kuban. distant relatives live somewhere in Bulgaria, whom I have never seen. It is painful to observe the attitude of the "elite" of Bulgaria towards Russia. I agree with the author of the article, we need to build relations with other countries on purely business relations. You never know we were spat in the face after all the help. which the USSR and Russia rendered to other countries, the answer is ingratitude. It got to the point that NATO troops are already at our doorstep. You need to do everything in a business way. and not to write off then billions of dollars in debts, this money could be spent for the benefit of their people.
    1. plebs
      plebs 11 May 2016 02: 44
      0
      It got to the point that NATO troops are already at our doorstep.
      Everything is written correctly in the article! And the example with NATO is indicative, if the treaty were signed at the time, they wouldn’t have tried now that no one promised Gorbachev and Shchevarnadze not to accept the Warsaw Pact countries into NATO. There is no piece of paper that I want to turn around. It’s time to end these fraternal partnerships with each other!
  43. NACC
    NACC 9 May 2016 07: 35
    -1
    Brothers for all centuries betrayed friendship with Russia, from the time of Svyatoslav-concluded agreements with Russia and immediately went under Byzantium.
  44. X Y Z
    X Y Z 9 May 2016 07: 40
    +2
    I agree with many of the author's conclusions. No one needs revenge or throw tantrums; you just need to educate those who want to be our allies, brothers, etc. Not kissing and crying, but long and tedious work, often invisible and not grateful. To begin with, accept the fact that we simply do not have allies and brothers (understanding this fact will immediately make it easier) and from this point start moving forward. Candidates for "brothers" must clearly and clearly understand that there will be no free cookies and every twist will be accompanied by a slap in the head or, in case of complete inadequacy, expulsion. All references to independence and national interests will be swept aside as silly, irrelevant and exacerbating the guilt of the claimants. Threats to sail off to the other shore will be assessed as a manifestation of stupidity (after all, we are not losing anything) and accompanied by an additional portion of educating means. All this I am not talking about countries that mutually beneficially cooperate with us, but about "brothers" - allies and I am not talking about peoples, but about local elites that determine the policy of the state. And it is they who often live at our expense, while squinting at the West, and carry out the so-called multi-vector policy, which in Russian has a completely different name.
  45. Siberian
    Siberian 9 May 2016 07: 56
    +3
    No, in the West (and never was) - the concept of "friendship" in our understanding. The word is, but the phenomenon is not.
  46. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 May 2016 08: 29
    +2
    True article, a big plus. And about the Foreign Ministry, we really need to give kicks so that we are engaged not only in America, but also look under our feet.
  47. Gvas1174
    Gvas1174 9 May 2016 08: 46
    0
    All right said Kasym, respect and respect. We must reach for the peaks ourselves, and those who need it will catch up. Friendship between people happens, about fiction between states.
  48. biserino
    biserino 9 May 2016 09: 03
    +3
    Millions of Russians who came to Bulgaria say they feel at home. Everything else was blah blah blah and the media hysteria ...

    My grandfather, his memory forever fought against the Nazis for the liberation of Yugoslavia and Hungary at the age of 44-45.
    Happy Great Victory Day!
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia 10 May 2016 08: 32
      -2
      Millions of Russians? Your census counted only a few thousand ...
      1. Ivo
        Ivo 10 May 2016 19: 41
        -1
        According to some information, the Russians have a shelter of several hundred thousand units (?) Of real estate, mainly on the Black Sea.
        Let it be a bust, but I think there are about ten or two tens of thousands.
        Most of the summer they (or their relatives) live there.
        True, my information is not very reliable, because I do not live in Varna or Burgas, but still there is an unsymmetrical presence of Russians in the Black Sea.
  49. faterdom
    faterdom 9 May 2016 12: 18
    +4
    Quote: Egevich
    Duc and we did not betray them, when the police department collapsed and the USSR prosrali ?.

    I think no. We did not join the clearly anti-Bulgarian or, there, anti-Romanian coalitions. Have you stopped eating green peas, drinking Bulgarian juices (not bad, by the way), smoking bulgartabac? Stopped pouring money we didn't have? Have you closed your eyes, how at the factories built by us began to pirate quality Kalash, competing with ours in the arms market? We did not tell the Bulgarian elite or the people what to do, who to be friends with, and how to close the nuclear power plant and freeze South Stream, how to obstruct our humanitarian cargo to Yugoslavia in 1999. They decided everything on their own, and blaming us for betraying them will not work with any stretch.
    They betrayed the people of Russia, and the Bulgarians, and other Romanian Poles, and actually the Russian party and trade elites.
    But as the devotees to Gorbachev, I would call the East Germans - they were simply given to the West and the NATO bloc with the European Union. And now they had a chance to influence this was a miserable one, at any level, even though Honecker and Marcus Wolf (who did not betray us).
  50. Friends
    Friends 9 May 2016 13: 09
    +1
    All with the Great Victory Day!

    Quote: Egevich
    there are many comments, there’s not much sense ... we are also many for the Soviet Union, and so what? ... there’s nothing to blame for the mirror, if the face is crooked ... all the polymers themselves have been profiled and now the Bulgarians and Serbs are to blame ... and also all the countries, that they were part of the Warsaw Pact, are also to blame, why are we silent about them? .. Is the daughter-in-law guilty of everything? ..
    a fresh example of a not ostentatious attitude - on ebee I found a series of brands of Yugoslavia that interests me. Sold - Bulgarian. after a short communication, the series was given to me as a gift.
    the concept of "fraternal peoples" will not disappear for a long time ... my comrade, having retired from the army, began to teach Serbian, accordingly, and often visit Serbia. recently moved to Belgrade to live ... something like that ...
    do not rush to hang up labels and act as ardent accusers or scourges - all this in vain ...


    At the level of interpersonal relationships I agree. There are many people who remember the good done by the USSR and Russia. And they want to return to the past. But we are talking about state policy, and it was often Russophobic and adjusted, as a rule, by the entry of Russian troops ...