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Where are the pale-faced?

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Where are the pale-faced?A series of rallies against the sale of land once again highlighted the problem of non-participation in the political life of a country of Russians, or rather Russian-speaking. At these meetings, non-orders could be counted on the fingers. So the first thing that strikes the eye, the current "land protest" - especially Kazakh.


Why is that? If this protest concerned only the issues of the sale of land, one could try to explain this by the lack of patriotism in non-orders. They say that lodging syndrome does not consider the land on which they grew up and live as their own. But there is BUT. In my opinion, the main reason is not in the ground.

The topic of selling land is just a reason to protest against the deterioration of the living conditions of the majority of Kazakhstani people in the context of the unfolding economic crisis. And here it is necessary to distract a little from our question. For those who are not yet in the know, let me remind you that private property in Kazakhstan has existed since 2001. Since 2003, the land of Kazakhstan has been sold to individuals and leased to foreigners.

Consider, all these years, no one remembered that "the earth is the mother, and the mother cannot be sold." For fifteen years, the “motherland” has been sold to the right and left, and no one has been concerned before. And suddenly everything changed. Why? The answer is on the surface - because it was FINE. Oil sold well, there was money in the country, and everyone, anyway, had enough of it.

Not to the ground was. All the grandmothers earned, and the particularly successful ponies, and even realized their political ambitions. Today, when it ended, for some reason they suddenly remembered that the earth is the mother, which cannot be sold. One would like to ask: where were you before, when it was sold for a pittance "by its own means" and left to die from abandonment, mediocre and predatory use?

Suddenly something happened, and everyone was interested in the fate of the earth. And this is despite the fact that the amendments to the Land Code do not change anything at all. Land, as it was, remains in private ownership, and it also continues to be leased. Where is the logic of the “No Land Sale” requirement, if it has long been sold three times and divided between those who are in power and with money?

I will answer that. Not in the land business! The problem is deeper. People just boiled over. Life got it. The crisis specifically affected all who are accustomed to living their work and for one salary. Suddenly it became clear that living in such a state was unbearable. People in the last two years have accumulated so much discontent and anger that they already require going out. The theme of “selling land” is a good unifying reason for expressing one’s discontent and making demands on people in power who are unable to solve the problems of a country and in fact bring the country to a hilt.

And the authorities are well aware of this. Understand, but continue to tease people. After all, it really looks like a mockery: there was no one hundred pound of land for people promised by the 10 president, but for an auction for money, please take as much as you want. It is clear that the auction will be again for those with money. But ordinary people do not have them today. That is, all this bodyaga with the land will once again pass by them.

Really there are no sober-minded people in power, who understand that today it is better to hold such affairs and not to pedal? After all, there is a risk that people may rebel seriously. The people are no longer the same: angry, annoyed, and who do not believe, who still have a little bit more to lose.

He used to be well-fed and good-natured and didn’t really ask himself to whom and how land was sold in Kazakhstan. Because he, too, fell from the golden oil, free-fall rain, and he was content with this, not claiming more. All shop on the mediocre sale of national wealth closed.

The feast of ponte and ambition is over, it's time for a bitter hangover. And for the majority there was no choice but to ask the question: “Who brought all this to the end and who should be responsible for this?” Although such slogans in the open while no one at the rallies does not raise, then believe me, they are already present in the minds of very many people of Kazakhstan.

But let us return to our question about “pale faces”, which for some reason were not observed at these meetings. Given the above, did the crisis really not affect them and their lives did not become more difficult? No, of course! They, just like the Kazakhs, are dissatisfied with the situation and also curse the authorities in the kitchens and smoking rooms. But they don’t go to the square. What is the reason?

Why the percentage of activists in the political life of the country is not commensurate with the Russian role that they play in the economic, cultural, scientific life of the country. Okay with the rallies, but the Russians are few and in opposition. Our opposition has always been predominantly Kazakh.

Someone explains this by the low drive of the Russians, they say, this nation has already passed its evolutionary peak, the blood is not boiling, they do not need anything. Someone rests on the lack of patriotism: they say, they are tenants in spirit, there is no love for the fatherland in them, they live for one day. Still others blame the nationalists, who, with their scoldings of Russians, cultivate an inferiority complex in Russians: they say, what should the Russian do at the rally, where everyone speaks Kazakh in principle. There are other explanations.

I have my own explanation. Kazakh Russians are like this because they are much more subject to propaganda processing by Russian (or more precisely Putin) propaganda. They hold onto Nazarbayev for the most part. It is for them, much greater authority than for the Kazakhs. They firmly believe that he is their guarantor of security against Kazakh nationalism, that he will not have him, and they are guaranteed problems similar to those that Russians in Ukraine have.

They are so inspired, and they sincerely believe in it. And local nationalists warm this religion with their often unwise and inappropriate actions. To the joy of those in Akorda who support and cultivate this stereotype of the public consciousness of the Russian-speaking diaspora.

From this it turns out that the Russian-speaking Kazakhstani, who survives in a crisis and in the same way as his Kazakh neighbor, who resents his life, will never go to a rally against power, which he regards as a guarantee against nationalism. Because of the two evils between the thieving power and the nationalists, he chooses the least - power. Here is the answer to the question “Where did the pale-faced go,” meaning their absence at the rallies — they were taken away by the authorities.

So, in every Russian there are two states fighting between each other - discontent and anger at the power, which he, being sincerely indignant, will scold in his kitchen, and the fear of "Kazakh Kazakhs raising its head."

In my opinion, if we want something in our country to start changing for the better, then we cannot do without those who today see the power as the guarantor of their well-being, which is about half of the country. In a situation when the society is divided into two parts, which stand on fundamentally different positions with respect to the authorities, we will fail to do anything. This is wall to wall. We will be bogged down in a confrontation that is fraught with great upheavals and perhaps even victims.

Therefore, it is very important to break this fear of “Kazakh nationalism”, which is not yet available, but which can be arranged for us. It is fundamentally important for the Russian-speaking understanding of the importance of changing the political system to prevail over the fear of nationalism. How to do this is today one of the main tasks of those who want to see Kazakhstan democratic. Without solving this task, the project "Democratic Kazakhstan" has no future.
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  1. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 5 May 2016 12: 17
    +40
    "Where is the logic of the demand" No sale of land "if it has already been sold three times a long time ago and divided between those in power and with money?
    I will answer that. It's not about the land! The problem is deeper. People just boiled. Life has got it. "

    It immediately became hard right away, life got it. Or maybe it’s easier - those who grabbed fellow countrymen simply do not want to lose it. Well, and the crowd, as always, heated up by conversations about their painful life, is just a tool of manipulators?
    As for the Russians in Central Asia, they were squeezed out or intimidated by their silent glanders.
    And regarding the "project" Democratic Kazakhstan "" - only those who have deliberately renounced their sight, the blind, do not see what is happening in North Africa and the Middle East.
    Conclusion - the article was written by a ram provocateur.
    1. Vend
      Vend 5 May 2016 12: 24
      +25
      Another call for revolution, Kazakhs look at Ukraine. Maybe enough of nationalism and revolution?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 5 May 2016 12: 30
        +23
        fear of “Kazakh nationalism” - sounds wild of course

        Kazakh nationalist.

        All these republics ...

        Putin drove to the core of our RNU, Barkoshivtsi and other shit. Previously, swastikas were on each wall with the words RNE

        The question is why the rest do not do so in the post-Soviet space.

        Independence in the throat is already our neighbors.

        Kazakhstan is still fine, but when Belarusians pedal the topic of a self-sufficient power, it’s not even funny

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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 5 May 2016 12: 51
          +6
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Putin drove to the core of our RNE, Barkoshivtsi

          There should not be a comma between RNU and Barkashovites, as it is one and the same, Barkashov is a former leader of RNE.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 5 May 2016 15: 11
            +19
            The author is very wrong about the Russians and Russian speakers in Kazakhstan.
            Everything goes back to the abstractness of the idea of ​​“proletarian internationalism” of m / l theory and to the most severe suppression by Lenin of the national identity of Russians in the national policy of the Bolshevik-Leninists during its implementation, starting from the 1917 of the year. This is the removal of Russians from all bodies of state power, and the permission at the state level to minorities to rob Russians, and the suppression of Russian identity by instilling in Russians absolutely historically unjustified feelings of guilt against national minorities for their civilization backwardness under Russian tsarism and supposedly the need for the sacrificial work of Russians on national minorities. In fact, the Leninist guard allowed the “aliens” to rob, socially and physically destroy the Russians everywhere with impunity. By the way, Stalin understood this and in his own way resisted it. What did you get after the socialist revolution?
            “On the one hand, the Russian people, who believed in the communist idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and, being the bearer of a sovereign mentality, really built up socialism on all fronts of social construction throughout the country as a whole of its multinational homeland. As a matter of fact, he had no choice but to do anything. But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist national suburbs, where feudal relations still prevailed and there was no own national proletariat, power was gained from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control by the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords. National industry was built by the hands of the Russian and Russian-speaking peoples. Moreover, everything that was really created national during the years of Soviet power in the once backward tsarist national suburbs - national republics - is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists etc.). This national party and Soviet intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality on not only their own working people, but also the Russians who came to “hunch on them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev's “new thinking”.
            Thus, national problems in the Soviet Union were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. The counter-bourgeois coup in the USSR as a whole only raised from the bottom to the surface the already existing national bourgeois deformations during the construction of socialism in Russia, which were Soviet
            the management tried not to make it widely publicized ”[Zueva TF Russian question. National crisis and democracy: the administrative-territorial structure of Russia. - St. Petersburg: Publishing House. Suvorina, 1995.- 36 S.- S. 25]. - http://primo.nlr.ru/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=07NLR_VU1&searc
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            And why then be surprised that the Russians and Russian speakers in Nazarbayev, who understands the historical essence of what is happening and in which the Russians see the remnants of a historical understanding of the significance of the Russians and at least the passive protection of the Russians from the embarrassed Kazakh nationalists ?!
            In Kazakhstan, everything is developing historically according to geopolitics in the same way as in Ukraine. The only thing is that only Nazarbayev is not an alcoholic Poroshenko and a politician 1000 times higher than Petruha Valtsman.
            1. Alexei
              Alexei 5 May 2016 17: 37
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              In Kazakhstan, everything is developing historically according to geopolitics in the same way as in Ukraine. The only thing is that only Nazarbayev is not an alcoholic Poroshenko and a politician 1000 times higher than Petruha Valtsman.

              I do not quite agree. If we compare the percentage of the loyal Russian-speaking population of the formerly fraternal Ukraine to the percentage of the same in Kazakhstan, then I really want to cry. Nazarbayev, to put it mildly, is not young, and therefore the anti-Russian coup after his death will meet absolutely no resistance. Degradation in the post-Soviet countries is in full swing. The USSR did not have time to raise its children.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 5 May 2016 18: 44
                +15
                THE WHOLE CHEESE BOR DUE TO THE EARTH'S DEMAND. Now it is possible to merge agricultural products in the Russian Federation. Examples. My uncle went to Pavlodar, to his native land (he lives near Alma-Ata now), told how whole wagons in villages from the Russian Federation go and buy everything undermined (by the way, there are many Azerbaijanis) - which was not the case before. In the south of the RK, hotbeds grow like mushrooms (I even know a host who drives ALL products only in the Russian Federation - claims that he repelled all investments in a couple of years). In Shimkent, large vineyards were pitched for wine, which was never there. My partner has 50 hectares. lands ten years stood, now rushed. Our land has long been in circulation (purchase and sale), but banks secured by land (in the city) gave loans very reluctantly; but about agricultural purposes, I generally keep quiet. Now interest has grown in the land multiple. By the way, today the Minister of Economics resigned (E. Dosaev) because of a scandal with the land - the National Academy of Sciences adopted, and imposed a moratorium on amendments to the land law, sent for revision. hi
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 5 May 2016 19: 03
                  +2
                  Kasym, hello!

                  You tell me now the people were right that the rally came out or their damned Obama bought for 50 dollars, as they said on the first channel?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 5 May 2016 19: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: Zymran
                    or their damn Obama for 50 dollars bought

                    The most amazing thing is that there are those who do not need to buy, and who really think that "we will overthrow the government and ..." And then this happens and he starts screaming that he was deceived.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 5 May 2016 19: 32
                      +6
                      Hi Zmran! 25 years bent! It is possible to kill the earth. Actually, I think that it is necessary to give out to the villagers - otherwise soon everyone will flee to the cities. Now it’s profitable, the village can be quickly raised - plans for the regions to work out, put up subsidies, and not sell to oligarchs. Cattle breeding is very important. Something like this. But strongly did not interfere with a subject. hi
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 5 May 2016 19: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Actually, I think that we need to give out to the villagers

                        They should buy land, at least for the lowest price, but buy - otherwise there is no sense of responsibility.
                        Quote: Kasym
                        otherwise soon everyone will flee to the cities

                        Anyone who does not want to work on earth will run away and so, just sell the land and run away.
                      2. Kasym
                        Kasym 5 May 2016 19: 59
                        +12
                        Hello, hello
                        Yes, the villagers have no money - the oligarchs will buy up, and then they will hire them for a penny. There are auctions provided - you understand the market. Although what can I say, the land has long been in circulation.
                        So, Alexander, it was not profitable. It is with the CU and sanctions that enormous prospects have appeared. And before that, you’ll even bend - the market does not digest everything - in bulk land. It’s now that the government has tickled, and before that ... No, there were glimpses - grain and the Food Corporation, fuel and lubricants, elevators. But now ... that onion or garlic, strawberries or raspberries. In short, you can make money - that's such an interest in the land.
                        The second one. China began to gradually open its market. The Chinese, here in the XUAR, believe that our food is organic. Macaroni, noodles, sweets ... They have now given grain tolerance.
                        In short, the gates are opening for us, both in the East and in the North. By the way, here the Iranians also want to participate - so there is also a prospect. Now I think you understand where all this hype comes from. hi
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 5 May 2016 20: 22
                        +4
                        Quote: Kasym
                        Hello, hello

                        Yes, the villagers have no money - the oligarchs will buy

                        Hi Dauren !!!! hi
                        No, the right to purchase land is, first and foremost, the villagers, it gives at least minimal responsibility (at least in front of oneself), and it’s all the same that it will hinder the oligarchs who get free donations. Then a moratorium on resale of at least 3 years.
                        So that's why selling - I will give you a wonderful example. We have vending machines for coffee and various rubbish - they were free all the time, people came, took as much as they wanted, many took 2 altogether (to put a glass in a glass, maybe hot coffee, coffee from the second, of course, was poured) or you just needed a glass - the same coffee was poured, etc., etc.
                        As a result, they introduced a fee of -10 agorot (kopecks) - it’s specifically no money, well, no money at all, it’s not possible to buy anything.
                        But for some reason, such crap has stopped - on a subconscious level in a person - if you pay, then you don’t throw it away
                        Quote: Kasym
                        So, Alexander, it was not profitable. It is with the CU and sanctions that enormous prospects have appeared.

                        Great, you need to give people the opportunity to buy land at the lowest price, as they used to in the USA - 1 cent per acre. There, nobody gave her the same for nothing

                        Quote: Kasym
                        In short, the gates are opening for us, both in the East and in the North. By the way, here the Iranians also want to participate - so there is also a prospect. Now I think you understand where all this hype comes from.

                        Excitement where there is an opportunity to earn money - you just need to direct it in the right direction
                        The fact that someone is enriched more than others cannot be avoided by all means, but it is necessary to make sure that those who want to buy and work do not have the feeling that they were shod.
                      4. Kasym
                        Kasym 5 May 2016 21: 16
                        +6
                        You can, Alexander, even on installments to give the villagers. I agree - it is necessary that the villagers remain masters of the land - this is the main thing.
                        Generally speaking, judging by the students in Almaty, they are quietly rising on the ground. There are apparently shifts. Now urban in universities, 20-25 percent; many study abroad.
                        My uncle has 500 hectares. land and flock of several thousand (we are not accepted to say specific numbers - probably from the evil eye; or maybe more fellow ), any cattle. He does not need any jeep - give NIVA. He took the second apartment in the city. Lives in the village. This would help even state-owned - the lamb would fill up the whole region. And so do not interfere - and that’s good.
                        Alexander, they have been "heating up" these earthly affairs for a couple of years. NAS then stated that who does not use the land for its intended purpose to take away. Many merchants (for example, there was a project near Alma-Ata - 4 satellite cities) bought up the land. And they got it - the project was closed, they hid it under the cloth, the bureaucrats got cooked. laughing ... Then the earth began to overgrow with weeds. And so, when interest began to rise (TS and PRC), a "new project to make money for individuals" began. laughing ... Therefore, I do not even know what will happen to this venture. And only for this reason I want to exclude money from the process altogether - then the villagers will want to sell, let them sell, let them at least make money on it. By the way, this is how the first privatization took place. Those who have leased land (gardens, plots, etc.) since the Gorbachev era have received it (many). But because of the narrow market, in short, many who did not find themselves on the market bent down. In the Russian Federation, for example, only smuggling was possible - all sorts of pieces of paper that were canceled from us were demanded. The industry also bent down - the state got rid of everything, from any "clamp", even the Academy of Sciences got. And now all state assets in Samruk-Kazyna have been collected (railway, power grids, uranium, oil, gas, metals, etc.).
                        In general, I have an assumption that the rich bought up land in their "ancestral" auls - the villagers cannot use it - the rich do not care (the most important thing is that this is their land) - that is why the topic is raised. hi
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 5 May 2016 21: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Kasym
                        even give on installments to the villagers. I agree - it is necessary that the villagers remain masters of the land - this is the main thing.

                        Agree

                        Quote: Kasym
                        . And only for this reason I want to exclude money from the process altogether - then the villagers will want to sell, let them sell, even if I make money on it

                        Money cannot be ruled out, as well as the ruin of some and the enlargement of others.
                        The natural process and equality here cannot be a priori.
                        But this is normal. Therefore, one has 500 hectares of land and a flock of thousands of heads, and the second has a hungry dog ​​on a leash, in the end, and even taking into account unequal initial opportunities - you need to work and hard. By the way, organizing and starting the process is much harder than working with your hands

                        Quote: Kasym
                        In general, I have an assumption that the rich bought up land in their "ancestral" auls - the villagers cannot use it - the rich do not care (the most important thing is that this is their land) - so the topic is raised

                        La there is no problem, we have unused land (the same, some pretzels are buying from land in the hope that it will be transferred to the construction segment) - they pay a fucking tax (annual). Well, fine, let them pay taxes, but for someone who wants to do business, there will be enough land, and even more so for you.
                      6. marshes
                        marshes 5 May 2016 21: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Kasym
                        I agree - it is necessary that the villagers remain masters of the land - this is the main thing.

                        Welcome.
                        I'm sorry to interfere in the conversation.
                        The nearest suburb, but almost a city.
                        Sale of agricultural land has been going on for a long time. The state farm has died, the villagers have some units and some equipment. Those who have a long experience and the whole family worked more. They started to work the land, no, they sold it. Who built the house, bought cars and who left. Now there is a bazaar, but everything is overgrown with houses. There is no agricultural land. It is excellent and irrigated.
                        And they were engaged in the sale who, on the FIG, did not work at the state farm at all, except for one. The result was one, the state changed, the third died of experiences from a heart attack.
                        Over 300 km. Here I take the land, I don’t want to, for those who have no one to do something and if they’ve tasted it, there’s no money to expand. Although there is a million-plus city nearby, problems with the sale of manufactured goods, competition.
                        Quote: Kasym
                        In general, I have an assumption that the rich bought up land in their "ancestral" auls - the villagers cannot use it - the rich do not care (the most important thing is that this is their land) - that is why the topic is raised.

                        So in the tribal villages, their own relatives live.
                        Although there is one, the local akim has become akim. The program is drinking water-conduit of 80 km, with fresh water and in each house, previously salt water columns from the local water pump.
                        So at the gathering there is land in a radius of 50 km, in general use, for grazing cattle. Although I know one my cattle, it is advisable to graze separately from someone else's and preferably in an isolated area, it is almost not sick. And you will not find the extreme.
                  2. Zymran
                    Zymran 6 May 2016 10: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Kasym
                    So, Alexander, it was not profitable. It is with the CU and sanctions that enormous prospects have appeared. And before that, you’ll even bend - the market does not digest everything - in bulk land.


                    Kasim, take off your pink glasses? For example, tell you about the state of the automobile industry or google it yourself?
        3. Kasym
          Kasym 5 May 2016 19: 20
          +14
          Tatyana, you are wrong about comparing Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
          1. Economic. Statistics. Our economy compared to Ukraine at the time of the collapse was max. 30% (about that). In 2011-2012 (to Maidan) we surpassed them, and now we are 2 times ahead. That is, there were years when we grew at 13% per year!
          We did not sit on the neck of Russia, like Belarus, which was able to preserve "socialism" because of your help. We were immediately "lowered" into wild capitalism. Rolling blackouts of electricity and gas in the capital of Kazakhstan have become commonplace due to all kinds of non-payments, theft, lack of money, etc.
          In short, Kazakhstan was able to become economically independent, to increase its "fat" (gold reserves per capita are higher than in the Russian Federation; just like the Russian Federation, we are buying gold for 43 months in a row around the world). And Ukraine did not achieve this. We were able to raise entire industries that did not exist (not without the loss of other industries), attract foreign investors, and Ukraine did not create anything special.
          2. Int. relationship.
          Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan. Very short. There are all the diasporas of the Republic of Kazakhstan (over 100); the chairman is the president. 9 seats in parliament (2 of them assigned to the Russian and Kazakh diasporas; and 7 dias. - rotation once every two years) from the ANC. She has the right to veto any law - an examination of any law. Russian language is an international language. communication and is spelled out in the constitution. 50% of schools are Russian, in all universities there are 2 departments: Russian and Kazakh .. NOW PLEASE COMPARE YOURSELF WITH UKRAINE! You yourself can go to the site of this state. body (congress 1 time per year). ANC, for example, has worked out and introduced a law that prohibits insults by rel. nat. and language. featured (article).
          3. Interstate. relations. You probably forgot the words of GDP: "The motor of integration in the post-Soviet space is Kazakhstan represented by the National Academy of Sciences." CSTO, CU, EAEU, etc. Ukraine, on the contrary, kept its nose to the west all the time. Well, or, for example, the statement of the National Academy of Sciences on MAY 1 - Day of the unity of the peoples of Kazakhstan. "Ukraine is an example of how not to do it. There is no UNITY, etc., etc." We are now waiting for a note of protest from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine laughing . Crimea is already registered in Russian textbooks.
          Yes, there are few representatives in our governing bodies. other nationalities. There is one problem that is being solved by the same ANC (to nominate candidates), to know the case. language (this, I think, is a normal requirement - how to talk bureaucrats if they turn to Kazakh.). From next years in all schools (Russian and Kazakh., mixed) the same number of hours for the study of Kazakh. and Russian. languages ​​(i.e. just increase the clock) - the issue is being worked out now.
          Nationalists. We did not have traitors (Bandera), because there was no war on our territory. There are no such units, it’s simply not possible to assemble - there are separate individuals. And no more. Moreover, for any statement public shines. hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 5 May 2016 20: 44
            +10
            It’s gratifying, Kasym! But this is all thanks to the wisdom of Nazarbayev! And then it is not known what will happen.
            Your explanation, Kasym, to the fact that among the Kazakh demonstrators there are no Russian people, etc., it only says that the Russians in Kazakhstan have no land plots for agricultural production. They simply were not issued or sold to them. They do not have factories, etc. When dividing the former Soviet state property, the Russians in Kazakhstan received nothing. All went to representatives of the titular nationality and other national minorities. Everywhere among all the peoples of the former USSR, the poorest as a result of Leninist discrimination against Russians were Russians! This suggests that the national. the policy of the Bolshevik-Leninists, by the way, mainly people of Jewish nationality, was just a historian. a time bomb to the collapse of the world's first Soviet socialist. state.
            “Therefore, the following conclusion is logical: together with the Great October Socialist. The revolution in Russia also brought about a geopolitical nationalist coup. Namely:
            If Russia as a state is historic. evolved as a state of the Russian people, a cat. took under his protection other peoples who seek protection and support from him, then as a result of dividing the territory of Russia by nationality. featured after the Great October Revolution. Socialist. revolution, the state of the Russian people ceased to exist - Russia became a state of national minorities.
            At the same time, representatives of nat. Always began to dominate in the authorities of the Soviet Russian state. minorities, but not the Russian people. The results of this situation were not slow to affect: 1) the color of the Russian intelligentsia was mercilessly destroyed; 2) The Russian Academy of Sciences was never created; 3) the leaders of the country of non-Russian nationality gave away the primordially Russian lands of the nat. republics, even if the general level of development of civilization which was below the level of development of civilization of the Russian people; 4) economy. the situation of the Russian people was also given little attention. As a result of the exploitation of the labor of the Russian and Russian-speaking population, the riches were precisely the so-called former royal nat. suburbs, state and political leadership in the cat. belonged to representatives of this so-called indigenous nationality. The relative size of the Russian population in the country began to decline sharply.
            The “perestroika” of Gorbachev-Yeltsin further consolidated the position of Russians in the Russian Federation and the CIS countries as the position of third-class people, as a bottomless reservoir of cheap labor and the cheapest “smoked meat”.
            The war in Chechnya showed that it is permissible for Chechens to do anything with the Russian people. Mass cases were recorded when Russian soldiers were scalped, their eyes gouged out, their heads were cut off, they were quartered, their genitals were cut off, they were castrated, Russian women and children, regardless of gender, were raped.
            All this in relation to the Russian people is called fascism. And all this is behind the scenes encouraged by the international community.
            The Dudaev regime in general has nothing to do with any true defense of the honor and dignity of the Chechen people and the mountain peoples of the Russian Federation. By and large, the Dudaev regime is a great shame for the peoples of the Caucasus.
            The war in Chechnya once again highlighted only one thing that is geopolitical. the plan in Russia is dominated by only one national question - this is the Russian question.
            General conclusion :
            Thus, the division of the territory of the Russian Federation on a national basis was directed against the national security of Russia because it is essentially a policy of international genocide against the Russian people, who historically founded this state. ”[Zueva TF Russian question. - St. Petersburg: Publishing House. Suvorina, 1995.- 36 S.- S. 20-21]. - http://primo.nlr.ru/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=07NLR_VU1&searc
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            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 5 May 2016 22: 15
              0
              Quote: Tatiana
              Russians in Kazakhstan have no land for agricultural production. They simply were not issued or sold to them. They do not have factories, etc. When dividing the former Soviet state property, the Russians in Kazakhstan received nothing. All went to representatives of the titular nationality and other national minorities. Everywhere among all the peoples of the former USSR, the poorest as a result of Leninist discrimination against Russians were Russians! This suggests that the national. the policy of the Bolshevik-Leninists, by the way, mainly people of Jewish nationality, was just a historian. a time bomb to the collapse of the world's first Soviet socialist. state.
              “Therefore, the following conclusion is logical: together with the Great October Socialist. The revolution in Russia also brought about a geopolitical nationalist coup. Namely:
              If Russia as a state is historic. evolved as a state of the Russian people, a cat. took under his protection other peoples who seek protection and support from him, then as a result of dividing the territory of Russia by nationality. featured after the Great October Revolution. Socialist. revolution, the state of the Russian people ceased to exist - Russia became a state of national minorities.
              At the same time, representatives of nat. Always began to dominate in the authorities of the Soviet Russian state. minorities, but not the Russian people. The results of this situation were not slow to affect: 1) the color of the Russian intelligentsia was mercilessly destroyed; 2) The Russian Academy of Sciences was never created; 3) the leaders of the country of non-Russian nationality gave away the primordially Russian lands of the nat. republics, even if the general level of development of civilization which was below the level of development of civilization of the Russian people; 4) economy. the situation of the Russian people was also given little attention. As a result of the exploitation of the labor of the Russian and Russian-speaking population, the riches were precisely the so-called former royal nat. suburbs, state and political leadership in the cat. belonged to representatives of this so-called indigenous nationality. The relative size of the Russian population in the country began to decline sharply.
              The “perestroika” of Gorbachev-Yeltsin further consolidated the position of Russians in the Russian Federation and the CIS countries as the position of third-class people, as a bottomless reservoir of cheap labor and the cheapest “smoked meat”.
              The war in Chechnya showed that it is permissible for Chechens to do anything with the Russian people. Mass cases were recorded when Russian soldiers were scalped, their eyes gouged out, their heads were cut off, they were quartered, their genitals were cut off, they were castrated, Russian women and children, regardless of gender, were raped.
              All this in relation to the Russian people is called fascism. And all this is behind the scenes encouraged by the international community.
              The Dudaev regime in general has nothing to do with any true defense of the honor and dignity of the Chechen people and the mountain peoples of the Russian Federation. By and large, the Dudaev regime is a great shame for the peoples of the Caucasus.
              The war in Chechnya once again highlighted only one thing that is geopolitical. the plan in Russia is dominated by only one national question - this is the Russian question.
              General conclusion :
              Thus, the division of the territory of the Russian Federation on a national basis was directed against the national security of Russia because it is essentially a policy of international genocide against the Russian people, who historically founded this state. ”[Zueva TF Russian question. - St. Petersburg: Publishing House. Suvorina, 1995.- 36 S.- S. 20-21]. - http://primo.nlr.ru/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=07NLR_VU1&searc


              Nationalism in relation to Russians in Russia is an instrument of the genocide of the Slavic people by the black forces of the Russian haters
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 6 May 2016 01: 10
                +7
                Dear Tatyana! Pay attention to the support of the population of ANAS - like the GDP in Russia. Why - because it speaks for the integration of posts. easy? It should be noted that in the Republic of Kazakhstan before the collapse it was 40 to 60% of the indigenous compared with other nationalities. Now it is 60 to 40 (but I think 50-50%). And 40% is a lot + many Kazakhs support it. Now. The National Academy of Sciences was prescribed by constitution as the Leader of the Nation (Elbasy). Now he stands above any president. And you believe that he will transfer power to the one who will begin to destroy what he created? I very much doubt - in a moment he will remove and put another. Parliament is also under his Nur Otan. I think that people deserve their leader and vice versa. Although you do not know his mistakes, and there were not a few of them.
                About the Russians in the village. The fact is that even under the USSR, Russians mainly lived in cities, in the north there were many in the countryside (this does not say that they were not in other regions, for example, the Russian theater in Chimkent has a theater in its building). So here. There is grain. There are even whole farms owned by Russians, and the National Academy of Sciences annually visits it and personally oversees it. They were the first, exemplary grain-growing areas.
                But BUZA happened in the west, there were practically no Russians in the village. Here, for example, near Alma-Ata: collective farms Mountain Giant-Uyghurs with Chechens and Ingushs, Tabaksovkhoz - Greeks, Fruit-bearing - Germans. During the war they evacuated so much that there are compactly living ethnic groups. Therefore, in Kazakhstan, 88 schools teach in Ukrainian, Uyghur, Uzbek and Tajik languages. There is nat. theaters: for example, Korean, German and Uyghur are the only ones in the CIS.
                Well, and according to statistics. About 3,5 - 4 mil. Russians left to live in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Before the breakup, 6,5 mil. Why didn’t everyone leave, if everything is so bad, please think? And there were times when real estate was very expensive. A lot of Slavs in business - try to tear them - this is unlikely. And among Kazakhstanis there are very few migrant workers compared with Ukrainians and Uzbeks - this says that there is some stability. hi
              2. S-kerrigan
                S-kerrigan 6 May 2016 05: 56
                +1
                I do not agree with my heart. But it is subjectivity that works in me.

                But with the mind I agree with you 100%.

                PS It’s always hard to be guided by the brain, but without it it will be even worse.
          2. antoXa
            antoXa 6 May 2016 11: 07
            +1
            Tatyana
            Do you often visit Kazakhstan and do you have many Russian friends there?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 May 2016 19: 21
              0
              antoXa! And where are the friends? There are always a few friends - they do not reveal patterns according to them. There is scientifically sound analytics, cat. reveals general patterns in the vastness of the Russian Empire, the USSR, the post-Soviet space. I already wrote that m / l theory in the decision nat. issue in the construction of socialism was conditional, abstract. character and practice was decided in favor of nat. minorities at the expense of Russian and Russian speakers. Prior to this, not a single country based on geopolitics, but not m / l theory, has ever allowed such a thing. It seems that this was not just a mistake of the Bolsheviks, but a provocation of an external enemy to the disintegration of Russia into nat. featured. I will explain.
              "Classics m / l-ma pointed out that Ch. the question of building any state is the question of power, and they always solved it with the class. positions.
              However, in this methodological. plan ... the division of society into exploiting and exploited classes is only abstract, conditional in nature. This means that all real people living in society, regardless of their nat. affiliation, age, gender, etc., are conditionally divided among themselves into two large groups, only one defined. sign - in relation to societies. means of production and land. All other distinguishing features are not taken into account.
              This abstraction is performed in the same way as the concept of “material point” is introduced in mechanics. Moreover, when a real physical body is conditionally (by agreement) abstracted to the concept of “mat. point ”, then of all the properties of this real physical. The body takes into account only its mass and the position of its center of gravity in space, and the dimensions of the body, etc. not taken into account.
              In m / l. theory, the conditional, abstract division of society into exploiting and exploited classes made it possible to introduce into societies. consciousness is such a thing as a proletarian. internationalism. On this study of the classics nat. problems in the socialist. state in m / l theory and ended.
              However, the dialectical method itself suggests the metaphysical limitations of such a study of society. There is a principle in diamat that in the absolute, every ONE refers to another ONE as a dialectic. opposites already if only because SINGLE is that which exists separately from each other. And according to the law of unity and struggle of opposites, contradictions can arise between them. This principle and law also applies to relations between entire nations, nations.
              ... speaking of chapters. the question of building any state is the question of power, then in relation to the construction of multinational. state ... mainly nat. the question of building every multinational. state-va is the question - “The people of what nationality is led by this multinational. state? Or representatives of what nationality dominate the power and managerial state structures? ”
              It should be noted at the same time that the desire for power is a purely motivated behavior of people. It is motivated by the desire of people to personally organize, distribute and protect property themselves ”[1, S. 9-10]. These e laws are inherent between people - between societies, peoples and nations. M / l theory denied and ignored it.
              LITERATURE. 1. Zueva T.F. Russian question. National crisis and democracy: the administrative-territorial structure of Russia. - SPb .: publishing house. Suvorin of the Union of Writers of Russia, 1995. - 32 sec. -
              http://primo.nlr.ru/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=07NLR_VU1&searc
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              P.S. Familiar Russians of working age left Kazakhstan long ago. Their parents are already retired to live there. Their labor activity with the Kazakhs did not intersect. And the young were forced to leave - there is no work, or they only accept their own. They believe that they left on time.
            2. antoXa
              antoXa 11 May 2016 15: 14
              +1
              Tatyana
              The fact is that you have already given half a textbook in the comments ... Moreover, the works of these 1995, in fact, their bias is understandable ...
              What you copy here does not correspond to today's reality or only partially corresponds to it, regarding Kazakhstan I can say that it practically does not correspond at all.
              I largely agree with the answer to your comment by V. Salam ... I just want to add that this publication is about today and in addition to the history of the country, which must be studied not from 1995 publications, we also need to understand the real situation today, but if you don’t know how at all (this is about the issue of having friends), then it’s better not to speak so ardently and passionately.
        4. V. Salama
          V. Salama 7 May 2016 20: 26
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          When dividing the former Soviet state property, the Russians in Kazakhstan received nothing. All went to representatives of the titular nationality and other national minorities. Everywhere among all the peoples of the former USSR, the poorest as a result of Leninist discrimination against Russians were Russians! This suggests that the national. the policy of the Bolshevik-Leninists, by the way, mainly people of Jewish nationality, was just a historian. a time bomb to the collapse of the world's first Soviet socialist. state.

          Read carefully what you wrote - when the country collapsed in the former republics of the USSR, they began to discriminate against Russians because of Lenin's decision. The fact that Russians are discriminated against in Kazakhstan and other former republics of the USSR is not Lenin's fault, but the policy of modern national elites based on local nationalism. They talk about a "historical time bomb" in order to find an excuse for their miscalculations in national politics and to discredit the policy of the Soviet state. Having defined the border of Ukraine and made the Ukrainian language the state language, Lenin knocked out all the trump cards from the hands of Ukrainian nationalism (the history of which should be known, as well as the history of nationalism of the peoples of Central Asia) and their ideas did not find support among the peoples. Could it be possible to put together a crumbling (not without the help of the West) Russia at that time without this decision? So everyone would have run "under the wing of Russia" to protect themselves from whom, British protection? Who will run, people? The national elites would not run and the people would not be allowed. At that time, this was the only correct decision. The history of your country should be studied not by the publications of 1995, when the goal of distorting Soviet history was pursued, and not to judge the events of specific historical situations from the position of today. As for that period, it would be better to remember that 90% of the population of the Central Asian republics voted for the preservation of the USSR. So what is happening now is not for Lenin, it is for modern elites, Western agents of influence and the scribes they paid for.
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      3. Pig
        Pig 6 May 2016 11: 45
        -3
        I don’t understand one thing: if everything is so fine in Kazakhstan, why are you rushing to Russia? live for yourself, raise your Kazakhstan! and then the Russians were squeezed out and followed them into Russia ... that the Kazakhs, that the Uzbeks, that the Caucasians .... why would you want "independence" then?
        1. antoXa
          antoXa 6 May 2016 13: 10
          +1
          Pig
          Dear nonsense, you write, dear Kazakhs, of course, are in Moscow, but comparing their standard of living, including those in Moscow with the Uzbeks, is not at all correct, and comparing them with the Caucasus is not at all right, most of the Caucasus is the territory of the Russian Federation ...
          1. Pig
            Pig 6 May 2016 13: 24
            +2
            yeah ... most of ... including "independent" Armenia and Azerbaijan and Georgia ...
            here in Orenburg whole auls Armenians come, that they do not want to live in their "independent" Armenia ... Azerbaijanis have crushed all trade, that they do not live in their "independent" Azerbaijan ...
            I keep asking myself: when will the division into "Armenian" and "Azerbaijani" quarters and districts begin? when will the enmity between them spill out into our streets? (and they really hate each other!)
            Kazakhs in general flooded - they don't give a fuck about their "independent" Kazakhstan, rants have already begun that "Orenburg, Samara, Saratov, Astrakhan and Volgograd are primordially Kazakh lands that were" captured "by Russian invaders and colonialists" ...
            I think everything when the performances and riots begin?
            But all this will not begin unchanged - as soon as the foreign population exceeds the critical mass ...
            and it’s not necessary to judge Moscow alone - Moscow is not all of Russia ...
  • stoker
    stoker 5 May 2016 15: 27
    +18
    Quote: c-Petrov

    Putin drove to the core of our RNU, Barkoshivtsi and other shit.

    Barkashovtsy in 1993 with the White House machine guns defended. Do you know how many of them died there? How were they then shot in the surrounding yards? Bodies were taken out by truck at night.
    And where were you at that time, Field Marshal?
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 5 May 2016 16: 59
      .
      One would like to say - and at that time I was sitting behind the levers of a tank shooting at the White House .... but, alas, I was not among the heroes of this battle.
      1. stoker
        stoker 5 May 2016 17: 21
        +3
        Would you like to? Because of armor - yes for people? AND? Well, don’t worry. Maybe it will happen ...
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 6 May 2016 08: 53
          -1
          In the building, my friend, in the building, people died from completely different damaging factors. In war, in general, they kill, these "people" of yours killed and did not complex, does the example of Ukraine convince you?

          Ten minuses - ten believers in the triumph of democracy, I explain democracy - this is not the power of the people, demos - a wealthy part of the people, democracy - the power of the oligarchs.
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 19: 48
      -2
      Quote: stoker
      Barkashovtsy in 1993 with the White House machine guns defended. Do you know how many of them died there? How were they then shot in the surrounding yards? Bodies were taken out by truck at night.

      well, so the Barkashovites are like the Maidanites in Kiev, they raised the coup against the legitimate president, well, Yeltsin is not Yanek. crushed.
      By the way, who distributed cookies to Barkashovites?

      Quote: stoker
      And where were you at that time, Field Marshal?

      The question is of course to Petrov. but I’ll answer you, probably like everyone else - I sat on the couch and was indignant.
      1. stoker
        stoker 5 May 2016 21: 03
        +9
        I think that any of those present here can independently formulate an answer, if they deem it necessary. Without your help. I understand that it is difficult for a Jew to believe this, but it is.
        As for the "cookies", I'll tell you what. I know one country. In the Eastern Mediterranean. Which throughout its history feeds on alms. From the first day. And precisely by the State Department. He also steals everything he can reach. And he touches the memory of his tragically dead fellow tribesmen. Have you forgotten anything? Yes, no, like everything.
        And so, if you take the trouble to answer questions that you were not asked, have the courage to answer the question posed to you personally.
        Name this country, and the people who live there.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 May 2016 21: 22
          -5
          Quote: stoker
          I think that any of those present here can independently formulate an answer, if they deem it necessary. Without your help.

          so draw a couple of formulas
          Quote: stoker
          As for the "cookies", I'll tell you what. I know one country. In the Eastern Mediterranean. Which has been feeding on alms for its entire history. From the first day. And precisely by the State Department. He also steals everything he can reach. And he touches the memory of his tragically perished fellow tribesmen.

          Well, of course, what else can you say.
          Quote: stoker
          And if you take the trouble to answer questions that you were not asked

          In a personal message, write, and not take out to a forum
          Quote: stoker
          have the courage to answer the question posed to you personally.

          Quote: stoker
          Name this country, and the people who live there.

          I don’t know such a country.
          1. stoker
            stoker 6 May 2016 09: 43
            0
            Quote: atalef

            ... I do not know such a country.


            I am satisfied with your answer.
        2. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2016 21: 35
          +1
          Quote: stoker
          I know one country. In the Eastern Mediterranean. Which feeds alms throughout its history. From the first day. And it’s the State Department. Still steals everything that can reach. And touches the memory of his tragically dead tribesmen. Didn’t forget anything? Yes, no, everything seems to be.

          Let me try to guess? wink
          Is it really Ukraine? what
          And he feeds alms from the first day - the State Department, including. He steals - well, you yourself know that. And he trades in the memory of his tragically dead tribesmen - well, this is clearly about the Holodomor! yes
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 May 2016 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: andj61
            Let me try to guess?
            Is it really Ukraine?
            And he feeds alms from the first day - the State Department, including. He steals - well, you yourself know that. And he trades in the memory of his tragically dead tribesmen - well, this is clearly about the Holodomor!

            Andrey took off the tongue laughing good !!!
            Moreover, you know who dug up the eastern Mediterranean (Black Sea) laughing
            1. andj61
              andj61 5 May 2016 21: 58
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Andrey took off the tongue !!!
              Moreover, you know who dug up the eastern Mediterranean (Black Sea)

              By the way, about the eastern Mediterranean - this is how Vasily Aksyonov, in his novel "The Island of Crimea", designated the territory of the independent Crimea in the USSR Newspeak with the heirs of Wrangel at the head. So the Black Sea coast of Ukraine can be called exactly the same ...
          2. stoker
            stoker 6 May 2016 09: 55
            0
            [quote = andj61] [quote = source]
            Let me try to guess? wink
            ...what
            ...yes[/ Quote]

            Congratulations! You were in time !! You quickly came running and honestly worked out your groveling ration in the form of "Jewish gratitude" and two "plus signs". I admit that you, like no one else, know how to "shoot from the tongue."
        3. KaPToC
          KaPToC 6 May 2016 09: 00
          -2
          Let's call a spade a spade, it was not the Barkashevites, it was the Vlasovites, Russia crushed the Vlasovites, Ukraine did not Bandera. What should a bunch of traitors become for a hundred and forty millionth country to decide how to live?
          1. Morrrow
            Morrrow 7 May 2016 12: 25
            +1
            That is why the Russian people in a deep crisis similar to the crisis of the Romans during the time of the Huns and Vandals, and the gap is not visible.
      2. Sars
        Sars 6 May 2016 04: 46
        +1
        No, dear, Maidanovites guys of your nationality financed. And the Barkashovites fought against them.
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  • g1v2
    g1v2 5 May 2016 17: 09
    +11
    Nationalists in the republics of the former USSR are fed for one simple reason - to break the strings with Russia as much as possible. Because Soviet people were Soviet in the Baltic states and in the RSFSR and Central Asia. After the collapse, he needs to somehow justify - why should he isolate himself, especially if the entire Soviet industry was created as a single complex and permeated everything. Those same IL76 in Tashkent did, and su25 in Georgia. And a person needs to be explained that in reality he is not like those who live on the other side of the border. They always offended him and this is because of them his problems. The Caucasus is eating, Moscow is robbing, Central Asians create crime, etc. And in reality, HE IS ABOVE THEM AND HIS NATION IS THE MOST MOST - NOT THAT THE UKRAINIANS, RUSSIAN OR KAZAKH. And the Russians are hammering the same thing - like why do we need all of these? We have oil, which means they will eat us together. But in Siberia and in the Urals they suggested - why do we need Moscow? She takes all our money. Here we become independent and live, as in Paris. request
    And such nourishment and propaganda must be created constantly, until people born in one country become a minority. Otherwise, they will ask a reasonable question - why do we need a state apparatus in Kiev or Astana, or Minsk, if it already exists in Moscow? Why should we feed such a horde of officials, diplomats, military, if all this is already there? We were one people? Why should we separate if together we were one of two superpowers with all the consequences? The Russian Federation is a powerful country, but without its remaining parts it is far from a superpower. This is simple human logic, understandable to anyone. And so that people do not think about this and nationalism is needed. And the reason for everything is simple - the elite needs its own feeding trough. There isn’t enough room for everyone in Moscow. Good posts in one country are not enough for everyone. And in due time Ishchenko said quite a competent thing. If the Russian Federation and Ukraine again become one country. then the elite of Kiev will become more equal to the elite of Vladivostok, as the whole metropolitan party will be in Moscow, and since it is like the Parisian elite - the capital, damn it. That's because of this, everything happens. The elite of Astana or Kiev wants to live like the elite of Paris or Moscow, and not like the elite of Vladivostok or Novosibirsk. hi
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 6 May 2016 14: 41
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    Maybe enough of nationalism and revolution?


    write nonsense, Kazakhs do not have nationalism. If there will be some kind of canoe (pah three times), then it’s not against any nations but against the regime. There is a rule in society - you don’t touch us and we won’t touch. Everyone lives in harmony, the Kazakhs do not oppress anyone, but if God forbid, a representative of another nation is killed by a Kazakh, unfortunately this can turn into an ethnic conflict. I think this is in any country in Central Asia and the Caucasus. It’s even worse. And then in the countryside, and even if they do not punish the guilty. Only in this case.
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 5 May 2016 12: 33
    +1
    Good land has already been sold. And what lands without its canal? They muddied the water drain from Altai to Kazakhstan, not only did they block the Irtysh (tributary of the Ob) by half. Good grandmothers, see, drank laughing
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 5 May 2016 12: 53
      +5
      Quote: siberalt
      Then muddied water drainage from Altai to Kazakhstan

      There are proposals to sell fresh water to China from our Altai, but through the territory of Kazakhstan.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2016 13: 41
        +2
        If we send water from Altai, then only bottled. Water is the most valuable mineral for all living things.
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 5 May 2016 14: 04
          0
          Quote: siberalt
          Water is the most valuable mineral for all living things.

          Minerals are also considered some natural substances, which are liquid under ordinary conditions (for example, native mercury, which comes to a crystalline state at a lower temperature).
          Water, by contrast, is not classified as a mineral., considering it as a liquid state (melt) of the mineral ice.
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      3. weksha50
        weksha50 5 May 2016 15: 36
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        There are proposals to sell fresh water to China from our Altai, but through the territory of Kazakhstan.



        Yeah ... No matter how it happened the same as with the transportation of gas through Ukraine ...

        Anyway, all these PROJECTS for river turning, etc. - from the evil one ...

        In Soviet times - from thoughtlessness, now - from a toad for money, and absolutely no one cares that a person destroys his living environment ... Aral did not teach anyone anything ...
      4. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 6 May 2016 17: 41
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        There are proposals to sell fresh water to China from our Altai, but through the territory of Kazakhstan.

        this is alarming, China has already dirtied all its land, rivers have been poisoned, forests have been cut down, animals have been eaten, now they have taken on us, money still solves everything :(
    3. marshes
      marshes 5 May 2016 12: 57
      +9
      Quote: siberalt
      Good land has already been sold. And what lands without its canal? They muddied the water drain from Altai to Kazakhstan, not only did they block the Irtysh (tributary of the Ob) by half. Good grandmothers, see, drank

      For a long time, China has been taking away half of the effluents from the Black Irtysh for its agricultural needs.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2016 13: 36
        +4
        That's it, I look in Semipalatinsk Irtysh has become shallow. But no. This is not Itrysh at all, but the Irtys. laughing
        1. xorgi
          xorgi 5 May 2016 22: 20
          0
          In Pavlodar too, before the "Rockets" went, but now you can cross some places on foot
    4. Alibekulu
      5 May 2016 16: 11
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      Good grandmother, see, drink
      Good grandmothers will drink on the sale of water from Baikal to China.
      The agreement to sell Baikal water to the Chinese was made by Beijing businessmen and the government of Buryatia in the spring of 2015, when it became known that record shallowing was observed on the lake. The water level decreased by 40 cm compared to the 2013 indicator of the year. As early as mid-March, the water level in Baikal was 455,95 m, and by May the water level had dropped another ten cm.
      The shallowing of the lake caused the water to disappear from the wells of the coastal villages and dry peatlands, which in turn caused numerous fires.
      The authorities of Buryatia claim that the withdrawal of water for sale in the PRC in the volumes declared by investors will not damage the ecology of the region. “According to scientists, without damage to the ecosystem of Lake Baikal, you can extract up to 400 million tons of water per year - this is 0,5% of the expenditure part of the lake’s water balance,” explained the republic's Regional Development Fund. For businessmen from China, the Federal Agency for Water Resources allocated a production quota of up to 3,5 million cubic meters of water.
      The region has already begun work on the design of water intake and production facilities.

      http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2015/12/10/1470164.html
  • marshes
    marshes 5 May 2016 12: 34
    +6
    Quote: tiredwithall
    Conclusion - the article was written by a ram provocateur.

    The Republic portal is blocked in Kazakhstan, recognized as extremist.
    полная инфа-https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0
    %B8%D0%BA%D0%B0_(%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0
    %BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%
    BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB)
    Sergey Duvanov.
    Duvanov, Sergey Vladimirovich (born in 1953) Kazakhstan journalist

    Duvanov was arrested in October 2002 at his summer cottage in a suburb of Almaty and charged with raping a 14-year-old girl. In January 2003, he was convicted and sentenced to 3,5 years in prison. On January 15, 2004, Duvanov was released on probation. [1]

    The Kazakh opposition is considered politically motivated.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 5 May 2016 14: 09
      +4
      Marshes, you understand that dealing with a youngster is a cop. You know, by the way, what happened next with this youngster and her family? A very tragic story.
      1. marshes
        marshes 5 May 2016 14: 14
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        Marshes, you understand that dealing with a youngster is a cop. You know, by the way, what happened next with this youngster and her family? A very tragic story.

        Well, I was not in the "bath".
        What is the story?
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 5 May 2016 14: 17
          +4
          Who went to the other world, whom they closed in the fool. And ends in the water.
          1. marshes
            marshes 5 May 2016 14: 22
            -5
            Quote: Zymran
            Who went to the other world, whom they closed in the fool. And ends in the water.

            2002 cops could not have organized this "case".
            And if the opposition, you must be careful in communication.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 5 May 2016 14: 23
              +3
              Quote: marshes
              2002 cops could not have organized this "case".


              The Karaganda dozen didn’t. Ask about Usatov’s spin-off business (such a surname).
            2. razmik72
              razmik72 5 May 2016 14: 37
              +2
              Quote: marshes
              Quote: Zymran
              Who went to the other world, whom they closed in the fool. And ends in the water.

              2002 cops could not have organized this "case".
              And if the opposition, you must be careful in communication.

              Why would the Kazakh cops not be able to organize a provocation against an opposition figure? Would conscience torture to plant an innocent man? am
            3. Zymran
              Zymran 5 May 2016 16: 15
              0
              http://my.mail.ru/community/kz-kazakhstan/24061FDC73FFAEAD.html

              Here about the setup and other deeds of debris from dozens.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 5 May 2016 15: 40
      -1
      Quote: marshes
      Kazakhstan opposition the case is considered politically motivated.


      Ahem ... well, yes, yes ... I raped a 14-year-old girl with all the proletarian (or whatever) fervor, trying to prove that he was building a new world this way ...
  • gringo
    gringo 5 May 2016 12: 50
    -6
    Conclusion - the article was written by a ram provocateur. not so, just a fool.
  • def89
    def89 5 May 2016 13: 01
    +6
    The thread of the story is not about the land, but about the fact that the Russians are not in opposition and do not go to rallies.
    Without the Russians, now even a revolution cannot be arranged. I quote
    Kazakhstani Russians are, because they are much more susceptible to propaganda treatment by Russian (or rather Putin's) propaganda. Read on for more details. It seems to me that they are trying to arrange another provocation with the participation of the Russian-speaking population, so that there would be someone to blame for all the problems. Sorry! I don’t know how to select a quote!
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 5 May 2016 13: 33
      +8
      I also did not understand, and here the Russians. The article smacks of nationalism.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2016 13: 50
        +10
        There would have been no nationalism if you hadn’t come up with “fake states” after 1917, which did not exist before. There was no need to ruin the USSR either.
        1. Nordman
          Nordman 5 May 2016 16: 55
          -9
          Quote: siberalt
          There would have been no nationalism if you hadn’t come up with “fake states” after 1917, which did not exist before. There was no need to ruin the USSR either.

          The administrator does not ban people like you, he ban those who write what about Russia. And articles wrote that Russ for the truth. It can be seen, to offend Caucasians, residents of Asia and Europeans + their countries and values ​​only Russians can and then deceitfully deceive (Prove that the countries of Central Asia appeared exclusively thanks to the Russ ignorant,). Kazakhs, you would have long understood that the Russians are looking at everyone except themselves cowardly from high. And they themselves have a genetic fear of the inhabitants of the USSR, and your women already prefer them rather than Russian defenders behind the monitor, like sibiralt and other clowns.
          1. black
            black 5 May 2016 17: 02
            +7
            Quote: Nordman
            And they themselves have a genetic fear of the inhabitants of the USSR,

            This is something new. Well, scare me!
            Quote: Nordman
            yes your women already prefer them

            Well, this is something from Caucasian folklore.
            Hot Norwegian guy?
            1. Nordman
              Nordman 5 May 2016 17: 07
              -6
              Black on look at yourself.
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            3. Nordman
              Nordman 5 May 2016 17: 09
              -9
              Here are the great Russo invincible.
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            5. Nordman
              Nordman 5 May 2016 17: 13
              -9
              And so Canadians punish you, three against a crowd of Rousseau.
            6. Nordman
              Nordman 5 May 2016 17: 21
              -9
              Well, keep quiet? That black that sibiralt typical Russo with YouTube videos.
              1. oldzek
                oldzek 5 May 2016 17: 35
                +3
                do you consider young fools to be real russians? well, well, a real russank was and will be an internationalist. IMHO
                1. Nordman
                  Nordman 5 May 2016 17: 44
                  .
                  Yes, a real Russo knowing that an adult will not be defeated fights with their children.
              2. black
                black 5 May 2016 17: 46
                +1
                http://ok.ru/video/9461892530 а вот это видео со мной. Узнаете?
                1. Nordman
                  Nordman 5 May 2016 18: 01
                  .
                  AND? Are you in a foreign country while the mess is at home?
                2. Nordman
                  Nordman 5 May 2016 18: 05
                  -9
                  Clearly, as my friends told normal Russo who respect others, there are very few, they are definitely not here. adjö för evigt!
                  1. Morrrow
                    Morrrow 7 May 2016 12: 53
                    +2
                    And how can the beast be respected? The beast must sit in a cage.
      3. guzik007
        guzik007 5 May 2016 13: 55
        +8
        I also did not understand, and here the Russians. The article smacks of nationalism.
        --------------------------------------------------------------------
        Yes, everything is clear and without words. Need suddenly began to Russian-speaking-their requirements to promote. And they are non-smart, they remember the 90s well, when they drove them all over the Wed. Asia. And they were not only driven. All right, when they wanted independence, our opinion was asked? And now, when did the "Ryussky brother, pamagai. Yes, huh?" yourself, yourself, somehow, but do not substitute us for distribution.
        1. Naiman
          Naiman 5 May 2016 19: 18
          +7
          You haven’t messed up something much. If you believe the story, the Soviet Union collapsed RUSSIAN, UKRAINIAN and BELARUS. And in Central Asia 90% were for .... preserving the USSR.
          But for independence I don’t know, thank you say, or what? I remember a video on YouTube when, after the annexation of Crimea, the girl brought bread and salt to the employees of the American embassy in St. Petersburg and said: Thank you for the Crimea! laughing
    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana 5 May 2016 22: 16
      0
      def89
      Sorry! I don’t know how to select a quote!

      Press "answer" - a window for the answer text appears.
      Above the window is an instrumental ruler.
      B - bold; i - oblique font; face - little men express their emotions; picture - for sending pictures; film strip - for sending video; A - color font;
      this is the link sign.
      First you need to copy the desired link text.
      Then from the memory of your computer put in the text in the window.
      Then select the quote in the text - click the link sign.
      At the same time, at the beginning and at the end of the citation, the program will give out symbols - Latin letters in square brackets.
      - means the beginning of the quote.
      - means the end of the quote.
      Between them will be your quote.
      What do we get in the window?
      Example. Fig. 1.
      It was on in Penkovo, and in Istanbul.

      And now ATTENTION!
      In no case DO NOT delete these signs of the beginning and end of quotes one at a time. You can remove only both characters TOGETHER at the same time - i.e. along with the quote itself!
      Highlight the quote along with the program icons of its beginning and its end. OTHERWISE, after your intervention, THE WHOLE PROGRAM on this page will FLY on the site, and moderators after you will have to manually restore everything. And you will get a warning punishment for this.
      Another example of a quote with bold highlighting by the author of the quote in Figure 2
      Example. Fig. 2.
      def89
      Sorry! I don’t know how to select a quote!

      First, select what will be in bold, and then, together with the bold icons, select everything for a quote and click the sign on the toolbar.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 5 May 2016 14: 59
    +7
    Quote: tiredwithall
    Conclusion - the article was written by a ram provocateur.


    Not a sheep, but he himself who considers the rest to be sheep ... The author himself has Russian names and surnames, and calls on Russians (Russian speakers) to take part in rallies against the current government ...

    Hmm ... In our town alone - I do not have accurate data from Rosstat - there will already be two dozen families, "refugees" from Kazakhstan ... After all, they left there not from a good life ... And they say that they will leave Nazarbayev - and it is not known what will happen to the remaining Russians ...

    And after all, how cleverly the author sums it up: the Russians ("pale-faced") are guilty of not going out to the rally, but they will also be accused later FOR going out to them ... That is, at least this way, even that way, the Russian-speaking will be guilty in any case ...

    PS In Kazakhstan, three clans now prevail: pro-Russian, pro-American and pro-Chinese ... Moreover, the last two are increasingly gaining strength ... What is Nazarbayev’s refusal to celebrate May 9 ...

    And what to expect in the future from the "pale-faced" - that they stupidly wait for the day when they will arrange a night of long knives ???

    What kind of patriotism and unpatriotism can we talk about under these conditions ???
    1. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 15: 30
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      Not a sheep, but he himself who considers the rest to be sheep ... The author himself has Russian names and surnames, and calls on Russians (Russian speakers) to take part in rallies against the current government ...

      good Exactly ! An intellectual impostor into the bearers of something from which everyone should look into his mouth. But since in life such creative hamsters have fallen in love, here is a representative of the creative class with his teeth and clacket. We ourselves have enough of such party-goers nv Ekho Moskvy "there are enough, well, who got the wrong people, like the wrong Russians in Kazakhstan. They don’t want to riot at his call," Putin's persecuted " laughing
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 6 May 2016 09: 28
        +1
        The author of the article is an oppositionist for a long time ... There is such a profession in us - to oppose in life ...
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 May 2016 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: weksha50
      PS In Kazakhstan, three clans now prevail: pro-Russian, pro-American and pro-Chinese ... Moreover, the last two are increasingly gaining strength ... What is Nazarbayev’s refusal to celebrate May 9 ...


      Tell me, did you come up with this yourself? From which hangover will the President cancel the celebration of Victory Day? What nonsense is this?
      Can you confirm your words with links? !!!

      Here is a site with holidays in the KZ: https://uchet.kz/week/prazdnichnye-i-vykhodnye-dni-v-respublike-kazakhstan-na-20
      16-god /
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 6 May 2016 09: 58
        +3
        Quote: Aposlya
        Tell me, did you come up with this yourself? From which hangover will the President cancel the celebration of Victory Day? What nonsense is this?
        Can you confirm your words with links? !!!


        Yes, what do you take from a cotton moron? He heard that there would be no parade and made a brilliant conclusion that they had refused Victory Day. Although the parade is generally not held every year.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 6 May 2016 14: 32
        0
        Quote: Aposlya
        Tell me, did you come up with this yourself? From which hangover will the President cancel the celebration of Victory Day? What nonsense is this?



        Yesterday I couldn’t answer ... See the various news for yourself ... It’s a pity that I didn’t copy any links ... But to spread any crap - to me - what's the point ???
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 6 May 2016 14: 51
          0
          Quote: weksha50
          Yesterday I couldn’t answer ... See the various news for yourself ... It’s a pity that I didn’t copy any links ... But to spread any crap - to me - what's the point ???


          How do I know what's the point of lying? But we will have Victory Day in KZ. I looked through the news feeds in the media of the KZ - there is nothing like this, everywhere there is preparation for the celebration. At work, everyone was congratulated on Victory Day ...
  • KaPToC
    KaPToC 5 May 2016 16: 56
    +3
    The article was written by the enemy, the Russian state and all Russians. Russians are less susceptible to propaganda, and therefore did not fall for this scam with rallies.
  • pin313
    pin313 5 May 2016 20: 27
    0
    You yourself are a ram. When were you in Central Asia?
  • Pig
    Pig 6 May 2016 11: 42
    0
    Kazakhs will soon begin to stir up with us ... in Orenburg there are already more of them than Caucasians and they all go and go with their families ...
    Why then would they "nezavisimost" if everyone goes to Russia?
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 6 May 2016 14: 35
    +2
    Who doesn’t know, I’ll tell you firsthand. Just a rumor went among the working masses that they were selling land to China for 25 years. Just because of this. Not from boiling and other crap, although it also is. Kazakhs will never agree to sell land to a foreign country, this topic is very sore. And there weren’t any mintings especially crowded. Everyone was just outraged both on the streets and the stars on TV.

    PySy. About the author of the provocateur agree.
  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 5 May 2016 12: 23
    +4
    Damn, Putin is to blame for them! Wanted independence, elected president, what does Russia have to do with this? Or, in Kazakhstan, like in Ukraine, they begin to blame Russia and the Russians for everything? Then the question is, who else is beneficial for the mess going on around Russia and revolution with the war!
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 5 May 2016 12: 52
      +11
      Quote: kot28.ru
      Damn, and here Putin is to blame for them!

      No, just this ... a piece of text got the wrong address. People are trying to arrange a maidan in Kazakhstan, and for some time now Russians have been allergic to such things.
      There are two directions of thought:
      1) For Russians, nationalists suck are not scary, they are white and fluffy, do not stop them from pushing rolls in front of the USA.
      2) For the Kazakhs, do not listen to the Russians, because they have Putin’s propaganda in their heads.
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 5 May 2016 13: 34
      +1
      US is natural.
    3. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 14: 52
      +3
      Quote: kot28.ru
      Damn, and here Putin is to blame for them!

      laughing Wow! When I started reading, I visited the thought - something is not right here! Well, Putin must erupt with iMperry somewhere. And for sure! The author met my expectations! laughing
      I have my own explanation. Kazakhstani Russians are, because they are much more susceptible to propaganda treatment by Russian (or rather Putin's) propaganda.
      And the poor nationalists ..... also in fact Putin ... no! Putin's meannesses!
      They are so inspired, and they sincerely believe in it. And local nationalists warm this religion with their often unwise and inappropriate actions. To the joy of those in Akorda who support and cultivate this stereotype of the public consciousness of the Russian-speaking diaspora.
      Yes, in general - the agents of the "bloody hospital" sent after plastic surgery in the Central Clinical Hospital. wassat For creating
      Therefore, it is very important to break this fear of “Kazakh nationalism”, which is not yet available, but which can be arranged for us.
      laughing Here is Vasisualiy Lokhankin! But only in fact is not the one Ilf and Petrov invented, this one is much ...
      It is crucial that the Russian-speaking understanding of the importance of changing the political system prevails over the fear of nationalism. How to do this is today one of the main tasks of those who want to see Kazakhstan as democratic.
      this certainly ethnic and not only Russian in the furnace of civil strife should be shoved instead of firewood. And it’s a shame - it succeeded in Ukraine, but in Kazakhstan they are like raw firewood
      But let us return to our question about “pale faces”, which for some reason were not observed at these meetings. Given the above, did the crisis really not affect them and their lives did not become more difficult? No, of course! They, just like the Kazakhs, are dissatisfied with the situation and also curse the authorities in the kitchens and smoking rooms. But they don’t go to the square. What is the reason?
      “And the answer is terribly simple and the only answer is" Why burn in the furnace? For the sake of the author's intellectual dreams? Go on a campaign for European values ​​yourself. "
  • Pereira
    Pereira 5 May 2016 12: 24
    +7
    Russian is the townspeople. Kazakh grazing for livestock is of little concern to them. Therefore, they are not at rallies and will not be.

    As for Kazakh nationalism, then their problems between the Zhuzes are more acute than ethnic problems.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 5 May 2016 12: 37
      +1
      Do not bring nonsense if you do not know the topic.
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 5 May 2016 13: 17
        +3
        Igor39, can be more specifically what is the nonsense?
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 5 May 2016 13: 44
          +3
          Half of those Russians who live in Kazakhstan are rural residents.
          1. xorgi
            xorgi 5 May 2016 14: 01
            +4
            You are mistaken, there are very few Russian rural residents in Kazakhstan, only in the North.
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 5 May 2016 14: 13
              +2
              So we are in the north and have always lived, hence I write because I know where and how.
              1. xorgi
                xorgi 5 May 2016 22: 16
                0
                and Russians live not only in the north, for example in Pavlodar
                1. Agarkov Vitaliy
                  Agarkov Vitaliy 5 May 2016 23: 20
                  +2
                  Russians live not only in the north. There are many Russians in Almaty. In the south of Kazakhstan, Russians live.
    2. antoXa
      antoXa 5 May 2016 13: 44
      +3
      It feels like the author made a mistake on the site ...
      And the content is nonsense, to be honest ...
      Pereira to some extent agrees with you, in Astana and in Almaty there is almost no nationalism, its main roots in the regions bordering on Uzbeks and Kirghiz .... well, they don’t want to live like Kazakhs, they want to live like Uzbeks ... let them live . I did not meet Kazakh guest workers in Moscow, and that says a lot.
      Most of the Russians live in northern Kazakhstan (Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar). Well, what can I say, everything is fine with them and the attitude towards Russians is more than good, from Petropavlovsk to Omsk I’ll wash 300 km, what nationalism ???
      Yes, and the protest during the crisis - this is as always))) there are less understanding of what is happening in the country layers of the population, who apparently think that if you yell at rallies, life will immediately become better!
      1. xorgi
        xorgi 5 May 2016 14: 03
        +1
        Kazakh migrant workers live in the Urals, and domestic and administrative nationalism have not disappeared.
        1. tolan_petrovich
          tolan_petrovich 5 May 2016 14: 07
          +2
          Something I do not see them here)))
          1. xorgi
            xorgi 5 May 2016 22: 15
            +1
            tolan_petrovich, but I see
        2. Bekas1967
          Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 14
          +2
          Is it more fashionable in more detail?))) There is no such Kazakh-gastric concept at all ... but the VHC is FULL OF them !!! Uzbeks, Tajiks and Ikirghiz !!! odds are not working out for you! I think you and the Kyrgyz have beguiled the Kazakhs, they are the same for you ...
        3. antoXa
          antoXa 5 May 2016 15: 34
          +2
          xorgi
          nationalism is present always and everywhere in certain doses.
          But trouble only occurs when it begins to be used for political purposes and the state ceases to oppose it.
    3. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 May 2016 09: 30
      +1
      Do not talk nonsense, otherwise I heard a ring, but don’t know where he is!

      How can there be problems between Zhuzes? ZHUZ is just a geographical definition ... Geography cannot carry troubles between each other! laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 May 2016 12: 26
    +6
    People just boiled up. Life got

    Isn’t it like that for signs of attempt the beginning of the next "color revolution"? In other countries, too, the beginning was similar - wrong elections, boiling over, life and especially power got out ... In this matter, the main thing is to set a certain part of the people in the right direction. This is so - an assumption.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 5 May 2016 12: 27
      +4
      Normal guess. I thought about that too. Without Nazarbayev, it is possible to promote the Kazakhs in a civil war.
      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 5 May 2016 13: 06
        +1
        The people have the wisdom not to fight against each other.
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 5 May 2016 12: 41
      +7
      I was recently in rural areas, in short, taxes were raised by farmers on the land, they used to pay a little (I don’t know how much), but now they said about 45000 per ruble per hectare and raised fines if you don’t cultivate or remove the land.
      PS As for nationalism, the Kazakhs are well aware of why this is happening and know that they weren’t exactly Russian smile
    3. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 5 May 2016 13: 03
      +6
      And now what? To continue to endure the robbery of the people? They quietly want to give the land to the Chinese, and after them there will be nothing left! The land is the main question! The people would endure the lawlessness of power further, but it would be better if they did not give out the land, especially to the Chinese. About Baikonur Kazakhs will not say a word on lease, Russia is its NWO. But the Chinese ..... ((((they already gave them more than 30% of the oil industry, they come with their slave by force, marry Kazakh women, take citizenship .... China he only sees these lands as his own ... KAZAKHOV WILL BE SWALLOWED AND DISSOLVED! Nazarbayev is an old paranoid, he is afraid of losing power. He couldn’t ensure continuity ... Kazakhs are only about 9 million! people. total !!! with a population of about 17 million ... Damn, someone can explain to me, is it really possible with such resources !!! you can’t make everyone wealthy citizens ??? There are no less people in Moscow! Yes, it’s easy if you want! , there are 15-20 people there, the cat all belongs (((((There will be a revolution !!! but public power is needed and not next puppets., or It was. Recently, I wanted to see the Kazakhs as part of Russia. But besides the next redistribution of property, this will lead to nothing. Here is also the power of the oligarchs
  • V.ic
    V.ic 5 May 2016 12: 27
    +5
    But the Russians are again "guilty" / guilty / of "non-resistance to evil by violence." We are in Russia, and then the language in the well ... thrusting against the 10% of those who have sat on our necks, where would we really "care" about "the most divided people." I will not continue ...
  • Gray brother
    Gray brother 5 May 2016 12: 35
    +12
    Firstly, the bill does not regulate the sale of land, but its lease from the state. Moreover, the lease of unused agricultural land was allowed in Kazakhstan before that, and nobody cared.

    Secondly, on April 18, 2016, the US ambassador arrived in Kazakhstan, the reason for his arrival was called his unexpected desire to visit holy places (Muslim). Everyone knows that even if you don’t feed the American ambassadors, give only holy places to visit.
    And on April 24th a butch began. Moreover, the participants themselves did not read any laws and for some reason are sure that the land will be sold to the Chinese. The same topic is now actively promoted on the Internet and paid media.

    Thirdly, based on the above two points, this article, to which I am writing a comment, is a filthy sketch of the same fan.

    That's all I wanted to say.
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 May 2016 12: 55
      +6
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Moreover, the participants themselves did not read any laws and for some reason are sure that the land will be sold to the Chinese. The same topic is now actively promoted on the Internet and paid media.

      Still, the participants of the rally would be "forced" to distribute land for a year and in the fall to claim taxes from them, as earlier to demand milk, grain, wool and shura with bristles, to see what will happen. For non-execution, the "lease" period will be extended. loans but the land is not in their ownership, which bank and under what guarantees will give money. In the end, they themselves will then lease it to the Chinese.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 5 May 2016 13: 37
        +5
        Quote: marshes
        In the end, they themselves will later be leased to the Chinese.

        The joke is that for the opposition this is just an excuse. In Russia, they also act, their goal is always the same - to fan up a problem, no matter real or far-fetched, and get profit from this, and not try to comprehend it or, moreover, solve it. All these deer, at the rally, do not even realize that they will not get a damn in any situation.
        These people are just a tool.
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 May 2016 13: 46
          +4
          Quote: Gray Brother
          All these deer, at the rally, do not even realize that they will not get a damn in any situation.

          Yes, in my opinion, they are far from agriculture.
          Here I have relatives, I have 50g on lease. land, grazing livestock and field, melons and gourds, alfalfa. There is not such a large economy. There are not many people who want to eat near the land.
          In order to acquire some kind of equipment and breeding animals, I had to mortgage a house in the suburbs, and they are not the owners of the land. It was a good luck. Plus, "investments" of relatives living in the city.
  • t118an
    t118an 5 May 2016 12: 35
    +3
    Duvanov raised a good topic, only it was necessary to name it differently, for example, why do Russians leave Kazakhstan?
  • kit-kat
    kit-kat 5 May 2016 12: 50
    +3
    Again "Russian-speaking". Are we ashamed to call Russians Russians? It would be necessary to resolve the issue with North Kazakhstan. AND? Comrade President?
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 5 May 2016 12: 57
      +2
      Quote: kit-kat
      It would be necessary to resolve the issue with Northern Kazakhstan.

      And about East Kazakhstan too ... Pavlodar, Ust-Kamenogorsk, etc.
      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 5 May 2016 13: 23
        -6
        And what can’t be immediately solved with the whole of Kazakhstan? In some places, the Chinese already have a third of the local population. They also want to harness for the Chinese-speaking population .... in other Germans, they will completely take their Germans, there are still Dungon, Ingush, Tatar villages , Korean .... Turn on your head, please.
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 5 May 2016 13: 30
          +6
          Quote: Bekas1967
          In some places, one third of the local population is already Chinese.

          For example, where? What kind of place is it?
          Quote: Bekas1967
          They also want to harness for the Chinese-speaking population.

          Brad.
          Quote: Bekas1967
          in other Germans, let the Germans grab their

          Almost all Kazakh Germans left for Germany or Russia.
          Quote: Bekas1967
          , there are still villages of Dungon, Ingush, Tatar, Korean ....

          As such, there are no mono-ethnic villages; there is a certain predominance of a certain ethnic group, for example, in the southeast these are Uyghurs.
          Quote: Bekas1967
          Turn on your head, please.

          Is that yourself?
          1. Bekas1967
            Bekas1967 5 May 2016 13: 35
            +1
            Namely, Nonsense ((((context to your opus (((
        3. marshes
          marshes 5 May 2016 13: 30
          +3
          Quote: Bekas1967
          In some places, one third of the local population is already Chinese.

          For more details, in what places?
          1. Bekas1967
            Bekas1967 5 May 2016 13: 37
            0
            Where they prey! In the west, near Aktobe ...
            1. marshes
              marshes 5 May 2016 13: 49
              +1
              Quote: Bekas1967
              Where they prey! In the west, near Aktobe ...

              And that they constantly live there? Shift workers. Not so long ago, the Chinese ambassador to the KZ was outraged that his parents had to leave the KZ every 3 months so as not to violate migration laws.
              1. Bekas1967
                Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 05
                +1
                Yeah, that’s why they marry Kazakh women (((who will the children be? And so, slowly, year after year, there will be more of them ...
                1. marshes
                  marshes 5 May 2016 14: 12
                  +6
                  Quote: Bekas1967
                  Yeah, that’s why they marry Kazakh women (((who will the children be? And so, slowly, year after year, there will be more of them ...

                  And many Kazakh women in 25 years married the Chinese?
                  The Chinese do not know that marrying a Kazakh woman will get an awesome number of relatives laughing
                  Turks, from Turkey, have long understood laughing Therefore, they immediately try to blame it on their homeland; there is no desire to be a younger son-in-law. laughing
                  1. Bekas1967
                    Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 35
                    +4
                    Over the past 5 years. Earlier this was not even in sight. Do you deny this problem? In vain ... China is a real threat for the Kazakhs. I will not raise a controversy here on the issue of Mansurov "who is in the subject, knows who and what he is who works. and how it became very easy for China to grab the sweetest pieces of KZ assets.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 5 May 2016 14: 39
                      0
                      Quote: Bekas1967
                      ? In vain ... China is a real threat to the Kazakhs

                      What kind of threat? 1,5 million Kazakhs live in China.
                      Quote: Bekas1967
                      I will not start a polemic here on the issue of Mansurov, "who is in the subject, knows who and what he is working for and for whom. And how, under him, it became very easy for China to grab the sweetest pieces of KZ assets."

                      Who is Mansurov?
                      1. Bekas1967
                        Bekas1967 5 May 2016 15: 04
                        0
                        I do not minus, we polemicize the current ...
                      2. marshes
                        marshes 5 May 2016 15: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Bekas1967
                        I do not minus, we polemicize the current ...

                        Who is Mansurov? Answer. ПЖЛ.
                2. razmik72
                  razmik72 5 May 2016 14: 51
                  +3
                  My math teacher was a Kazakh woman, back in Soviet times, I came to Armenia for distribution, she was very strict and beautiful, the whole class was afraid of her at the same time, and was in love smile . No wonder that visitors fall in love with the Kazakh women.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 5 May 2016 15: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: razmik72
                    . No wonder that visitors fall in love with the Kazakh women.

                    Falling in love is one thing and getting married ... laughing
                    Here is a familiar, Iranian Kazakh. In Germany, under the shah, he graduated from the Navy Academy, in the early 90s he came to permanent residence in Kazakhstan, married a local one. An intelligent engineer, money from producing small lines, an extruder ... he didn’t start to make money, that's his wife’s relatives into circulation and took, sorry for the man.
                    Also a Turk, a relative now, has fallen laughing "rogue" and then they took into circulation laughing
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 5 May 2016 21: 42
                      +4
                      Swamp, hello! I’m under the table from your comments about our Amazons ... my wife comes ... I’m telling you your comments ... I’m laughing myself ... in a minute I became the last one with the full CC on the trail. day... laughing ... I visit mother-in-law more often than mother. This is probably why the dzhigits took wives from distant villages from themselves and other clans ... laughing and then ran from them on campaigns laughing ...
                      Thank you, I laughed heartily. Oh, these Amazons. But I must say, my mother-in-law is golden. laughing hi
                    2. marshes
                      marshes 5 May 2016 21: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Swamp, hello! I’m under the table from your comments about our Amazons ... my wife comes ... I’m telling you your comments ... I’m laughing myself ... in a minute I became the last one with the full CC on the trail. day ... ... I visit mother-in-law more often than mother. This is probably why the dzhigits took wives from distant villages from themselves and other clans ... and then ran from them on campaigns ...
                      Thank you, I laughed heartily. Oh, these Amazons. But I must say, my mother-in-law is golden.

                      Greetings, here the eldest niece was given for her husband, a local. Now he definitely got smile uncle ceased to be a family cab driver. laughing
                    3. Kasym
                      Kasym 5 May 2016 22: 26
                      +2
                      My son is studying next to his wife’s parents. laughing ... And my wife works in a foreign company - the children grew up on "mother-in-law pancakes". laughing . So ... the daily itinerary ... laughing , and so everything is on wheels. A sister lives next to her mother - there is something to move around on. The brother-in-law on business trips is saved. laughing . Funny joke, but the brain is carried out in five seconds. laughing
                    4. marshes
                      marshes 5 May 2016 22: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: Kasym
                      and everything seems to be on wheels

                      Yes, my same on wheels but the same exist laughing The younger ones, as a rule, are engaged in bringing and delivering, without wheeled relatives, and those who in the "cubbyhole" took the "chest" as a rule on rural toys, men gather where boiled meat is "distributed." it is impossible to "shine" the scandal will be the most terrible.
                      So even if they do not have time or something to take to the airport and other places, they often had to go to Astana and Taldyk.
  • Naiman
    Naiman 5 May 2016 19: 19
    -4
    Maybe give the Omsk region? AND?
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL 5 May 2016 13: 09
    0
    Quote: kit-kat
    Again "Russian-speaking". Are we ashamed to call Russians Russians? It would be necessary to resolve the issue with North Kazakhstan. AND? Comrade President?

    “Don't scare me, Aaron.”
    - Adam.
    - Moreover, do not scare. Why Adam? Your name is Aaron!
    “You're right: of course, a little Aaron.” But you yourself understand what time and in which country we live.
    (S) (it seems from the movie "Crazy")
  • SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 5 May 2016 13: 06
    +8
    Author: "It's not about the earth! The problem is deeper. People just boil."

    Hell no! The problem is just on the surface - the Kazakh Maidan, a test of the pen.
    Sergei Duvanov, apparently, is a rare thing and a provocateur.
  • black
    black 5 May 2016 13: 28
    +5
    fear of “Kazakh nationalism”, which is not yet there,
    Really no? And the Russians that come from Kazakhstan say they are. Who to believe? I believe them.
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 07
      +4
      And talk to those who live and work there?
      1. black
        black 5 May 2016 14: 21
        +1
        But I do not live and do not work in Kazakhstan.
        1. Bekas1967
          Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 28
          -1
          Then there is no need to spread gossip
          1. black
            black 5 May 2016 14: 44
            +6
            That is, you say that all citizens of Russia that left Kazakhstan over the past quarter century are brazenly lying. Cheating compatriots. They threw their homes, arranged life, multi-room apartments, only from nostalgia for their homeland. And Kazakh nationalism is so stories, horror stories. That is, they deliberately deceived me, they pressed me on pity, probably. But I don’t understand why. And for what purpose are you trying to deceive me? After all, I specifically do not go, do not question, do not remember. The first time, I heard about the bad attitude towards the Russians in Kazakhstan, I heard in the year 97. Last time in September last year. Some sort of long gossip comes out. Soon she will be twenty years old.
            1. Bekas1967
              Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 58
              +1
              LIE !!! with what it is arrogant .. they didn’t leave a good life, it was hard in the 90s. But I never met !!!! a bad attitude to other nations and nations. NEVER !!! then factories and enterprises were closed there was gas and water. (((I moved my parents to Almaty. A large relocation took place ((((Russians reached their historical Motherland. And where did Kazakhs stay ?????? and endured ... I live in Moscow from the 80s. I have a lot of Russians from KZ, I have a big company. And not a single one will say a bad word about the Kazakhs.
            2. Bekas1967
              Bekas1967 5 May 2016 15: 01
              +4
              No one abandoned the apartment, sold it ... and they sold the dachas at home. But there wasn’t one case to take it away from a person! When we moved, we spilled our property in a jambul for a penny .... for a penny!
              1. black
                black 5 May 2016 15: 31
                +9
                Everyone, everyone lied to me. That is evil. Oh no no no. And I was born yesterday and do not remember the end of the Soviet era, fermentation in the national republics, the slogans "Uzbekistan for Uzbeks!", "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs!" In the Russian cultural tradition, there is such a thing as hidden irony. You may be an ethnic Russian, but you grew up in a different cultural environment. You no longer catch the hidden irony. It will be difficult for you to convince me. Maybe anti-Russian manifestations of nationalism, in Kazakhstan, do not look as obvious as in Tajikistan or Ukraine, but they do exist. Read the title of the article. Who are we there? Pale faces?
                1. Nordman
                  Nordman 5 May 2016 17: 27
                  -8
                  Quote: black
                  Everyone, everyone lied to me. That is evil. Oh no no no. And I was born yesterday and do not remember the end of the Soviet era, fermentation in the national republics, the slogans "Uzbekistan for Uzbeks!", "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs!" In the Russian cultural tradition, there is such a thing as hidden irony. You may be an ethnic Russian, but you grew up in a different cultural environment. You no longer catch the hidden irony. It will be difficult for you to convince me. Maybe anti-Russian manifestations of nationalism, in Kazakhstan, do not look as obvious as in Tajikistan or Ukraine, but they do exist. Read the title of the article. Who are we there? Pale faces?

                  And now, remember, you drove the Germans! Or was it not? My friends who emigrated from Russia say that they lived in fear, set a house on fire, or even do dirty tricks at night.
                  1. black
                    black 5 May 2016 17: 50
                    +5
                    Wrong question. Surname of my grandmother Dreling. But lying is not good.
                2. Naiman
                  Naiman 5 May 2016 19: 22
                  +3
                  Well, okay. In the East, pallor has been revered since colonial times. For example, in Vietnam, China, girls try to brighten their face and marry a white man.
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              3. Sars
                Sars 6 May 2016 05: 06
                +2
                Yes, my friend - a storyteller. more than two million Russians left Kazakhstan in search of a better life ??? Yes, most people sold property for a penny, for which in Russia it was impossible to buy anything.
                For example: I sold an apartment for 700 bucks (I paid 1000 to a Jewish aunt for Russian citizenship in Slavic Russian society) and so on (I went to Altai Territory without money and without teeth (the good Kazakh guys knocked out). How my family survived, still not I didn’t understand. There was no work in Altai Krai, if there was, then salary delays reached six months.
                The population of Novosibirsk, Omsk, Barnaul, Biysk for 20-30% consists of immigrants who are not very loyal to the Kazakhs.
                And I want to warn the zealous comrades on the other side of the border: if after the death of Comrade Nazarbayev nationalist problems begin in the Republic of Kazakhstan, there are quite a few who want to correct the mistakes of Comrade Lenin.
  • cedar
    cedar 5 May 2016 13: 40
    +2
    Gray Brother (1) Today, 12:35 AM New
    Firstly, the bill does not regulate the sale of land, but its lease from the state. Moreover, the lease of unused agricultural land was allowed in Kazakhstan before that, and nobody cared.

    Secondly, on April 18, 2016, the US ambassador arrived in Kazakhstan, the reason for his arrival was called his unexpected desire to visit holy places (Muslim). Everyone knows that even if you don’t feed the American ambassadors, give only holy places to visit.
    And on April 24th a butch began. Moreover, the participants themselves did not read any laws and for some reason are sure that the land will be sold to the Chinese. The same topic is now actively promoted on the Internet and paid media.


    The casket simply opens and the Gray brother clearly opened it. Amerikos, true to themselves, ... make another bonfire, this time in the underbelly of Russia, so that we would warm up faster and reach our Maidan to the joy of the Anglo-Americans and their owners. However, it is also the Russian Guard that Russia would not become a plantation of Anglo-Saxons, like Ukraine.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 19: 58
      0
      Quote: cedar
      Secondly, on April 18, 2016, the US ambassador arrived in Kazakhstan, the reason for his arrival was called his unexpected desire to visit holy places (Muslim). Everyone knows that even if you don’t feed the American ambassadors, give only holy places to visit.

      And why should the US ambassador come to Kazakhstan (as I understand it from somewhere from afar and on purpose)? There is no US Embassy in Kazakhstan?
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 5 May 2016 20: 03
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        And why should the US ambassador come to Kazakhstan (as I understand it from somewhere from afar and on purpose)? There is no US Embassy in Kazakhstan?


        There is an embassy in Astana and consulates. You do not ask such questions, they are too complicated for conspirators. lol
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 May 2016 20: 12
          +1
          Quote: Zymran
          There is an embassy in Astana and consulates.

          Well, Astana is not in Kazakhstan wink
          Quote: Zymran
          You do not ask such questions, they are too complicated for conspirators.

          Here the theory is more interesting
          Quote: tolan_petrovich
          For a long time they have been trying to rock Kazakhstan and set them against China,

          That's where the brain break.
  • tolan_petrovich
    tolan_petrovich 5 May 2016 13: 52
    +3
    For a long time they have been trying to rock Kazakhstan and play against China, as Ukraine against Russia, and chuckle quietly.
    Theory of controlled chaos in action!
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 5 May 2016 14: 16
      +2
      I do not understand Kazakhstan to incite China? laughing laughing laughing
      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 18
        +1
        Swallow and do not choke)))
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: tolan_petrovich
      For a long time they have been trying to rock Kazakhstan and set them against China,

      Well, yes, Kazakhstan from (17 million) to China from 1.7 billion.
      lol
      By the way, why bite?
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 6 May 2016 11: 49
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Well, yes, Kazakhstan from (17 million) to China from 1.7 billion.

        The organized minority has always bent into a "ram's horn" amorphous minority. Don't you know this? Petrovich, it seems, was referring to the Uyghurs who live in the territories of these countries, and who are always ready to escalate in the presence of a sponsor.
        Quote: atalef
        By the way, why bite?
        atalef, you are artistic in communication, it seems like you want to pretend to be stupid. Is this a provocation? The answer is obvious - to fish in troubled waters. And Petrovich refers to "controlled chaos." Do you have your own interest in Kazakhstan and China, as well as in Syria?
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  • V. Salama
    V. Salama 5 May 2016 14: 15
    +1
    It’s not the land matter! The problem is deeper. People just boiled up.
    Some kind of conflicting conclusion. And in the ground too! Land for all is a guarantee of social justice. "... there is no point, apart from acquisitiveness, to emphasize the attitude towards property, the main thing is to solve the problem of a fair distribution of material and other benefits produced by society."
    In my opinion, if we want something in our country to begin to change for the better, then we can’t do without those who today see the guarantee of their well-being in power ...
    Strange logic, it is said: "water does not flow under a lying stone", "one who just waits will not wait for anything good", etc. On this, the author clearly missed - a custom article. It's another matter to say that morons should not be allowed to destroy statehood. So where were you when the USSR was being destroyed? Regarding the "extinct passionarity" and other reasons - there is a little bit of everything here and one can add - they are not dragged to heaven by force, and one cannot only believe in socialism, it must be built not by 50%, but by everyone. Experience has shown - otherwise it makes no sense, parasites will eat and spoil everything. And there is no point in standing up to protect someone from whom you get a kick in the back. In the meantime, it has not reached everyone - you will have to silently be angry at the authorities, and at the oligarchs, and at those 50% ... who dream of getting into a bright capitalist future.
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 26
      +1
      Smartly said ... especially about dreamers ... "bright"
  • Russia
    Russia 5 May 2016 14: 16
    +7
    fear of “Kazakh nationalism”, which is not yet

    In the neighboring 404th we are also foaming at the mouth saying that there is no "Ukrainian nationalism"!
    In the Baltic states, they have never "heard" about him either!

    It is fundamentally important for the Russian-speaking understanding of the importance of changing the political system to prevail over the fear of nationalism.

    Not among the "Russian-speaking" (read - Russians) the understanding of the importance of changing the political system should prevail over the fear of nationalism, but the KAZAKHs themselves should develop an understanding that nationalism is a path to the abyss!
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 23
      +2
      For all this is the path to the abyss ... the most rotten and hateful ideology!
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 20: 04
      0
      Quote: Rossi-Ya
      and THE KAZAKH MUST have an understanding that nationalism is the path to the abyss!

      But is Russian nationalism the way to? Or are you against it?
      Russian nationalism is an ideology and a policy direction, the fundamental principle [source not specified 465 days] of which is the thesis about the value of the Russian people as the highest form of social unity. At its core, it preaches fidelity and devotion to the Russian people, work for the good of the Russian people, economic, cultural and political progress of the Russian people.

      why do you think that Kazakh nationalism is different from Russian?
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 6 May 2016 09: 19
        0
        In your quote, the keyword - the source is not indicated, why quote someone's fantasies?
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 6 May 2016 13: 05
        0
        Quote: atalef
        why do you think that Kazakh nationalism is different from Russian?

        It will become clear if you rely on a different definition of the concept of "nationalism" - there is the desire of one nation to assert itself at the expense of another.
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  • RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette 5 May 2016 14: 22
    +5
    Quote: SklochPensioner

    Hell no! The problem is just on the surface - the Kazakh Maidan, a test of the pen.
    Sergei Duvanov, apparently, is a rare thing and a provocateur.

    Absolutely in the hole! The boat began to swing, and not weakly!
    It’s a blessing for globalizers in Kazakhstan that there is a mass of poorly educated people who just do what they dream of guaranteed state oil dollars and their own piece of pipe, they say, we all deserve more, who are beckoned with a carpet and they will happily arrange a coup with all the consequences!
    I really hope that the special services keep the situation under control.
    And in the primary source - these are all the results of a one-stage multi-chair policy.
  • Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 5 May 2016 14: 48
    +4
    A poorly educated people appeared after independence (((such is easy to manage .. and this was done in a targeted way, and they do it here. Specialists protect the property and power of the oligarchy (((People deserve to live well and not just dream of a pipe. The subsoil should belong to the people and not a bunch of selected beks and bays.
    1. marshes
      marshes 5 May 2016 14: 50
      0
      Quote: Bekas1967
      Bekas1967

      And who is Mansurov?
      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 5 May 2016 15: 07
        0
        Karim Masimov, a typo came out ...
        1. marshes
          marshes 5 May 2016 15: 13
          0
          Quote: Bekas1967
          Karim Masimov, a typo came out ...

          This is the one who graduated from RUDN University and is rumored to be the KGB high school laughing And does he work for China? laughing
          1. Bekas1967
            Bekas1967 5 May 2016 15: 24
            0
            Then he studied in China!
            1. marshes
              marshes 5 May 2016 15: 32
              0
              Quote: Bekas1967
              Then he studied in China!

              And in some years? laughing
              So he studied in the USA laughing The same with the USSR.
              He defended his doctorate in general in Moscow.
              It remains to decide whose "spy" he is. laughing
              1. Bekas1967
                Bekas1967 5 May 2016 19: 55
                +1
                And he’s not a spy ... he’s the fifth column, an agent of influence .. and I’ll tell you something, Bolot ... I’ve worked a lot in some institutions close to government structures (I won’t disclose here, otherwise it’s not in that steppe the discussion will pull it.) I’m well acquainted with some of the former ministers. In particular, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. So, about Masimov, this is not a secret for those who are knowledgeable. With it, many assets went to the Chinese. Over time, everything will open ...
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 5 May 2016 14: 58
      0
      Quote: Bekas1967
      elected beck и bayev.

      Kurmanand ... Nazar..
  • Zymran
    Zymran 5 May 2016 15: 12
    +2
    Akorda Press reports that the NAS introduced a moratorium on amendments to the Land Code.

    https://twitter.com/akordapress?lang=ru

    Another small step towards civil society.
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 5 May 2016 15: 25
      +2
      Frightened power!
    2. Alibekulu
      5 May 2016 16: 28
      +3
      Quote: marshes
      Yes, in my opinion, they are far from agriculture.
      You are right, but "not everything is so simple" here .. laughing
      In connection with falling oil, the stake was placed on interaction with China. Examples are memoranda on the transfer of production to the Republic of Kazakhstan and the cultivation of agricultural products for the PRC.
      Everything is good, but according to the examples of other countries, Beijing is pursuing the following policy - the Chinese work in enterprises and fields. Then the dirtiest manufactures are brought outside the state, and how the Chinese are operating (disfiguring) on ​​the ground is a talk of the town hall ..
      In general, it is necessary to look closely at the experience of Mongolia. From an interview with Vladislav Inozemtsev
      I always cite the example of Mongolia. A small country, whose economy depends mainly on resources. Over the past 7-8 years, this is the fastest growing economy in the world. It grows between 16 – 18% per year. At the same time, Mongolia conducts a very balanced investment policy, which is manifested, including the fact that Ulan Bator does not sell any major assets to China, Russia and the United States. They are objectively afraid that the presence of such large international players in business will cause a serious imbalance in economic development and will mix economics with politics. The main investors in the Mongolian economy are Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom. The first two countries are resource countries - Australia is the largest producer of iron ore, Canada is a producer of oil and a number of metals, and the United Kingdom is the country that, perhaps, manages the financial flows the best in the world. For Kazakhstan, this model is quite applicable. It is necessary to actively cooperate with Europe and the United States as much as possible, not to allow bias towards Russia and China, but not to forget that they are major partners and neighbors.
      .
      Quote: Zymran
      Another small step towards civil society.
      In this plus these speeches.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 5 May 2016 16: 44
        0
        As I understand it, this article appeared with your light hand. After the "discussion" of the good for the state, the release of the patrol boat.
        Just did not understand why there was a link to this article.
        For me, an empty article. Life became bad and the Kazakhs rushed to the "civil society", but the "pale-faced" did not.
        Quote: Alibekulu
        It is necessary to interact as actively as possible with Europe and the USA, to prevent distortions in the direction of Russia and China, ....

        Maybe for this?
        1. Alibekulu
          5 May 2016 20: 57
          0
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Maybe for this?
          Yeah yes "cookies" need to be worked out ..
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          It is necessary to actively cooperate with Europe and the United States, not to allow bias towards Russia and China
          How would this quote Inozemtsev.
          A couple of days ago, on the Gazeta-ru, there was an interview with Andrey Tumanov, where he voiced what the leadership of the RK is trying to implement with K-not
          It is necessary to drag technology. We will bring specialists, pay them money, they will organize production. Then this production, when our people learn, will develop. Here with the same hectares in the Far East. According to the mind it was necessary to let the same South Koreans go there. That is, a Russian gets, let's say, his hectares, but at the same time he immediately enters into an agricultural cooperative, which is headed by a South Korean. Even if the products initially go to South Korea. But our man will, firstly, be guaranteed to receive money for the grown. He will not have a headache for the road, he will be led by the agricultural cooperative, neither for seeds, nor for what to grow. What he was given, then he will grow. Grow, collect - get the money.
          It was necessary to begin with the organization of agricultural cooperatives. We ourselves can not organize them, as I said. So let's invite the Dutch, the Danes, the Belgians, the South Koreans. If they do something better than us, and we cannot do it yet, it’s silly to wave flags.
          - You see, in the same Belgium, whose experience I studied, heads of agricultural cooperatives are professionals in several generations. Agriculture today is a fusion of science, technology, logistics, and so on, and so forth. We can’t just copy this giant experience. Today we can either buy technology. Or invite experts to do joint ventures. But we cannot do it ourselves. Therefore, we can not escape integration. Can not be closed from the world.
          Based on this experience, they wanted to place medicine under the control of Europeans. Similarly with ZhilStroySberBank. Logistics "Nurly Zhol" and the international financial center for the Arabs ..
          PS. Where nuplutal correct ..
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 5 May 2016 23: 24
            0
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Where messed up correct ..

            Yeah! Got it! wink
            An independent and proud country that was "lucky" to find itself between two monsters, Russia and China, needs to invite the Danes, Belgians, Americans, British and whoever from far away, so that they create production, bring technology, work ... "Because we ourselves cannot" ... And that's it! Let's live! The indigenous people will then be able to become a rentier. For free. Because the land is his. wink
            No, I am not against other people's experience and technology. Only which Dutch will give you everything for free?
            So, what kind of butch do you have with the earth? After all, it was sold before by a freak. Who organizes the rallies? They cannot be spontaneous at once in different places.
            1. Alibekulu
              6 May 2016 09: 54
              +1
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              Just what the Dutch will give you all for free?
              Who said for free? They will have their gesheft.
              1. Kazakhstan, within the framework of promoting the transport corridor "West Europe-West China", has attracted Dubai Port World to this project - the most diversified logistics operator in the world, which has 60 operating and 11 ports and terminals under construction in 31 countries. It becomes the main partner, both for the reconstruction of the port of Aktau, and for the development of a logistics complex opposite the Chinese Khorgos and further transportation of transit cargo along various routes within the country. And it is rapidly expanding the capacity of port complexes in Aktau.
              2. A financial center of global and regional scale is being created in Astana. The financial center in Dubai, which has been successfully operating since 2004, has been taken as a successful counterpart. The idea of ​​creating an International Arbitration Center (AIFC) in Astana using the best international standards for resolving investment disputes, with the assistance of reputable foreign experts in the field of commercial law, was received with enthusiasm by a number of large business entities participating in international arbitration proceedings.
              It is planned that foreign judges will work in the financial court of Astana. Following the example of DIFC in the international financial center "Astana" will be applied Anglo-Saxon law. The language of work will be English. A detailed bill on financial court is being developed taking into account the experience of the Dubai model. The uniqueness of this experience lies in the fact that all DIFC structures were focused on creating the most comfortable investment climate. If you follow the experience of the UAE and Singapore, in Kazakhstan for foreign investors need to create conditions that are much better than their home. The AIFC Financial Court will provide for the possibility of applying a judicial precedent. Moreover, Kazakhstan wants to occupy this niche within the framework of the Eurasian Union, where there is still no such court. And integration is in full swing and many external players are interested in it. It is clear that such a court can not appear in Russia, due to geopolitical reasons. But Russian companies are already interested in such a court.
              3. RK and Poland signed a memorandum on the creation of apple orchards in the South Kazakhstan region. They will also purchase seedlings for the Family Gardens project within the framework of the Agrobusiness 2020 state program. In addition, it is planned to build a fruit and vegetable logistics center on the territory of the Tyulkubassky district. The Eurasian Chamber will also contribute to the implementation of the Kazakh-Polish pilot program Kz-Euro-Pl in Kazakhstan in Aktobe, Karaganda, Almaty, South Kazakhstan regions and Astana.
              4. Of the most illustrative examples, the housing savings system has already gained momentum in K-neh which European countries have been successfully applying for more than a hundred years. The German model, which has proven its effectiveness and has become a kind of standard for public housing policy, has taken the foundation. A well-thought-out policy in just a few decades has made Germany’s housing savings system not only the most affordable mechanism for purchasing real estate, but also one of the main forms of savings to ensure a high standard of living for German pensioners ..
              1. Alibekulu
                6 May 2016 10: 45
                +2
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                So, what is your boot with the land? After all, it was sold before.
                I have already described above. Nazeke, realizing that the oil freebie is running out, and the "egg-box" is not bottomless, he began to look for other drivers of the economy. Since the stake on Russia was not justified, a decision was made to maximize interaction and openness with Beijing. Hence the "New Silk Road", the transfer of production to Kazakhstan and agreed to open the Chinese market for agricultural products from Kazakhstan. Again, in the fall, Chinese investors "dispersed" to the regions (infa in the media). How the Chinese work has long been no secret that only their own work.
                Moreover, the Kazakhs to the Chinese, almost at the gene level (as historically) according to Gumilev, have a negative complementarity. To this is added the well-established distrust of the people to power. Type in the quiet of offices agreed (and if they leave to live in London).
                Well, the people "said their weighty word." As for foreign agents, they probably were, but without them it would have exploded. The Kazakhs, in principle, are "charged" with the Chinese. There have already been clashes in the west of Kazakhstan. If the Chinese come to the ROK en masse, then you don't need to be Wanga to predict collisions. It's like a time bomb - it will explode anyway. The only question is when. Kazakhs will find any more or less reason (and even no reason) to "go into exile" against the Chinese. And the public will perceive this as a "Holy cause".
                I will make a reservation that I do not call and I do not kindle, but simply stating, as the most likely course of events. I am certainly a philistine, balabol and balabes, but knowing the mentality of the Kazakh people I guess .. request
                By the way this ambush for the authorities. The government is natural, as it should be will protect visitors, that the masses will be perceived as the surrender of national interests ..
                In general, the authorities and the people are united, I think, extremely cautious attitude towards the Chinese ..
                PS. Abishevich has a unique political flair for the needs of society. And the conclusions will be drawn and the "voice of the People" will be taken into account .. so it’s good to be sure ..
            2. Alibekulu
              7 May 2016 10: 51
              0
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              An independent and proud country "lucky" to find itself between two monsters, Russia and China
              lol
              “At one time, the ex-Prime Minister of Canada, J. Chrétien said:
              “Canada is a neighbor of the United States. Although the state grants give impetus to the development of neighboring countries, there is a flip side to the coin. Great neighbors, like sleeping elephants. It is constantly disturbing that he, turning over in his sleep, can crush us. ”
  • Ru_N
    Ru_N 5 May 2016 15: 24
    +4
    It would be necessary for someone to ask those dissatisfied Kazakhs how much tenge they paid for dissatisfaction because we are all dissatisfied with something, but going to the square and standing there like a ram for days is completely different. Here, not far in the neighboring square, they also stood, stood, then apparently froze and began to jump. And a little later it turned out that they and the cookies were transported tasty and green bucks by airplanes. Well, so that the discontent is more meaningful and financially savvy. And the most interesting thing is that in Ukraine the earth really is something of itself, stick a stick in it, it will grow. But in the steppes of Kazakhstan this is definitely a problem, there is no such black soil as in Ukraine and they have been selling this land for a long time, but something did not bother anyone. And suddenly, bam !!! And everyone cares, right away for the soul he’s fussing about, how is it that all the mother earth is being sold, villains! It is urgent and organized as if on command to get together and resolutely express your dissatisfaction! But to ask at least one of them, have you read the document at all? And how is it so fundamentally different from what it has been operating for many years? And why are you standing here then, since you haven’t read and don’t understand the essence?
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 5 May 2016 15: 49
      +4
      Quote: Ru_N
      It would be necessary for someone to ask those dissatisfied Kazakhs how much tenge they paid for dissatisfaction because we are all dissatisfied with something, but going to the square and standing there like a ram for days on end is another matter


      Our cotton media reported that from 50 to 150 dollars that the damned Obama paid (ch.mo).

      And they did not stand for days, but for several hours, which lasted for the rally.
      1. avt
        avt 5 May 2016 16: 00
        +1
        Quote: Zymran
        Our cotton media reported that from 50 to 150 dollars that the damned Obama paid (ch.mo).

        laughing Fathers! And here
        Quote: Zymran
        cotton media
        Putin's hand through Kiselyov's "Surkovian propaganda"! wassat Campaign sluggish schizophrenia maydanus vulgaris is transmitted by airborne droplets through a computer monitor and the Internet.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 5 May 2016 16: 04
          -3
          Oh hello fool. fellow

          Tell me better about the Uighur empire of Presbyter John, otherwise you are not funny with your brain Putinism.

          By the way, I explain to degenerates that Kremlin propaganda is quite in place in Kazakhstan on Channel One Eurasia, which is a branch of the Russian Channel One.
          1. avt
            avt 5 May 2016 16: 23
            +3
            Quote: Zymran
            Oh hello fool.

            You’re undeterred by the national Erupo-swift and you don’t get sick, And about the empire of Presbyter John you better read the annals of Otto Freising of 1145. Wilhelm de Rubruck 1253-1255 who traveled around the Horde, well, you have an europeetz with an erupo-abusive vector. Enlighten yourself on European sources. Maybe then the nervous girl will let go of the degenerate laughter, otherwise you will see Putin under the night and under his own bed, not like
            Quote: Zymran
            l in Kazakhstan on the First channel Eurasia

            You open the refrigerator, and there Putin and Kiselyov are his apostle. And even then - maybe it would be better to turn to a specialized psychiatrist with such glitches about Putin? Well, after all, you have some kind of "Groundhog DAY" -surkovian propaganda looming, and this is definitely a psychiatric diagnosis.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 5 May 2016 16: 44
              -1
              Quote: avt

              You’re a national eruption-minded woman and you don’t get sick, about the empire of presbyter John you’re better off reading the annals of Otto Freising of the 1145 year.


              Hello hello again, cotton durachok, well, when the weak-minded will reach you, that the legend is all. Legend. Or did you yourself read this chronicle of Otton of Freising from 1145 in the original?
              Yes, and the Uighurs there sideways. How did the legend begin? Since the Mongol tribes of the Keraites and Naimans actually adopted Nestorian Christianity, their ruling elite also took Christian names.
              These facts then reached Europe or for you Geyropa and became the basis for rumors of a powerful Christian state.


              Maybe then the nervous girl will release the degenerate laughter, otherwise you will see Putin by night and under his own bed, not like


              No, you push your erotic fantasies to me, d. The little fool is illiterate. As for the laughter, it's about you. If I see the posting all clogged with emoticons - it’s immediately clear that the mug shark wrote. And if there is still schizoid nonsense about Putin, then he is definitely.

              You open the refrigerator, and there Putin and Kiselyov are his apostle. And even then - maybe it's better to turn to a specialized psychiatrist? Well, after all, you have some kind of, "Groundhog DAY" - Surkov propaganda looms, and this is for sure - the diagnosis is psychiatric ._


              There are two options with you: either really such a dumb paranoid fool that is typical for a quilted jacket, or you don’t have a flame for the topic. But judging by the Uyghur kingdom of presbyter John, he is simply a fool.
              1. avt
                avt 5 May 2016 17: 12
                +2
                Quote: Zymran
                Hello hello again cotton durachok,

                Once again, do not ail Natsik degenerative. Well, how is it easier for you to explain something without tension, well, so that your brain doesn’t overheat at once at the computer? But if you don’t see a gopher in the steppe, this does not mean that it is not there.
                Quote: Zymran
                That legend is all. Legend.

                Do not cry, eyes closed with fear with your palms, well, the world is big and people lived and were more educated than you before you. So there are two ways - to study, study and study again, or by closing your eyes with your hands and living as a descendant of Chigiskhan, but decided to go on a campaign that was called descendant of Genghis from above, well, as those poor illiterate Tibetans who substitute their heads for manuscripts that the monks hold and think that knowledge has descended. laughing So there is no small one, you need to read books, and if it does not coincide with your sexual fantasies, this does not mean that everything is not true.
                Quote: Zymran
                And if there is still schizoid nonsense about Putin, then he is definitely.

                Quote: Zymran
                Kremlin propaganda is quite likely to be in Kazakhstan on Channel One Eurasia, which is a branch of the Russian Channel One.

                I see that he is Zymran. That's why I say - well, go to the profile psychiatrist yourself, otherwise the manic depressive psychosis will not let go
                Quote: Zymran
                o judging by the Uyghur kingdom of presbyter John

                The mere mention of which in the annals leads to hysteria, completely turn your brains on one side and you will be at the sight of
                Quote: Zymran
                erysipelas shark

                Sapshem to the distress of relatives and family on their own monitor to rush into a fit of anger with speeches not articulate, repeating. Here you finally desired
                Quote: Zymran
                If I see posting full of emoticons clogged
                laughing
                PS.
                Quote: Zymran
                Yes, and the Uighurs there sideways.

                You don’t read the Mongolian chronicles - you’ll be moved in an accelerated manner, they are not written in “Mongolian” script, and not even in ancient Kazakh, but in Uyghur, and here is another laughing for appetite.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 5 May 2016 18: 56
                  0
                  Once again, do not ail Natsik degenerative. Well, how is it easier for you to explain something without tension, well, so that your brain doesn’t overheat at once at the computer? But if you don’t see a gopher in the steppe, this does not mean that it is not there.


                  Do not cry, eyes closed with fear with your palms, well, the world is big and people lived and were more educated than you before you. So there are two ways - to study, study and study again, or by closing your eyes with your palms and living as a descendant of Chigiskhan, but decided to go on a campaign that was called descendant of Genghis from above, well, as those poor illiterate Tibetans who substitute their heads for manuscripts that the monks hold and think that knowledge has descended. laughing So there is no small one, you need to read books, and if it does not coincide with your sexual fantasies, this does not mean that everything is not true.


                  Oh, how a cotton degenerate burst. Already in Tibetan chronicles he seeks his sexual fantasies.

                  You fool are a dumbass. Have you read this chronicle or not? No, I haven’t read it. Because you do not know European languages, like any quilted jacket is uneducated.

                  And here's a brief retelling from the Anglo-Saxons: http://www.britannica.com/topic/Prester-John-legendary-ruler

                  You will master. You will understand d. Little fellow, who was presbyter John such and where did the legend about him come from.

                  So there are two ways - to study, study and study again, or by closing your eyes with your palms and living as a descendant of Chigiskhan, but decided to go on a campaign that you have been given the name of Genghis descendant from above


                  You better tell me your brain is completely full of cotton wool, or does the quilted jacket initially have no brain?

                  Sapshem to the distress of relatives and family on their own monitor to rush into a fit of anger with speeches not articulate, repeated.


                  Nightmare. That's what cotton wool in my head brings. I sympathize with your relatives.

                  You don’t read the Mongolian chronicles - you’ll move with your mind in an accelerated manner, they are not written in “Mongolian” script, and not even in ancient Kazakh, but in Uyghur, and here's another laughing for your appetite.


                  Cotton d.orachok. They are written in the Uyghur alphabet, but the language of the annals is Mongolian. Well, you a small degenerate, at least a little question would have studied how to disgrace. Or did you, after trying to read the annals, move your mind about it and presbyter John with his Uyghur empire came up with?
                  1. avt
                    avt 5 May 2016 22: 22
                    -1
                    Quote: Zymran
                    . Well, you a small degenerate, at least a little question would have studied how to disgrace.

                    laughing That jammed the brain then laughing There’s no mind to say something yourself, only you repeat mine.
                    Quote: avt
                    Once again, do not ail Natsik degenerative.

                    Quote: avt
                    Do not cry small eyes with fear with your palms closing your eyes

                    Well, okay, I do not require links to authorship. Especially from the mentally ill.
                    Quote: Zymran
                    They are written in the Uyghur alphabet, but the language of the annals is Mongolian.

                    With progressive schizophrenia. To the psychiatrist, urgently, until all is lost - now the Uighurs have written all the same ..... in Mongolian wassat So to the doctor - while the Uyghurs wrote in Uyghur Mongolian annals did not start in Kazakh. And so you’ll sit down at a computer and change my posts like
                    Quote: avt
                    Sapshem to the distress of relatives and family on their own monitor to rush into a fit of anger with speeches not articulate, repeated.

                    Quote: Zymran
                    I sympathize with your relatives.

                    Byad-ah-ah, well, they will not straighten the brain in a fool.
                    1. Zymran
                      Zymran 6 May 2016 09: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: avt
                      laughing Taki got stuck in the brain then laughing Mind already say something yourself, but you repeat mine.


                      Well, okay, I do not require links to authorship. Especially from the mentally ill.


                      Ahaha, our cotton bud schizophrenic is really bad. Already the authorship of the word degenerate thinks to appropriate. Alas, the fact that you are a degenerate does not make you the copyright holder of this word, you are our disease.


                      To the psychiatrist, urgently, until all is lost - now the Uyghurs have written all the same ..... in Mongolian wassat So to the doctor - until the Uyghurs write the Mongolian annals in Uyghur in Kazakh


                      You are surely offended by a little mind. Not only is a cotton schizophrenic, but also a stupid person. laughing On enlighten:

                      Old Mongolian writing appeared as a result of adaptation Old Uigur alphabet (ascending in turn through the Sogdian letter to the Syriac alphabet) for Mongolian language records.


                      According to one of the legends, writing was created around 1204 by the Uighur scribe Tatatunga, captured by Genghis Khan after the victory over the Naimans at the beginning of the formation of the Mongol Empire. This legend illustrates the historical fact of the cultural influence of the Uyghurs who submitted to the Mongols. The Uyghurs passed on to the Mongols their Buddhist traditions and the Old Uyghur script, which, having undergone significant modification, became the Old Mongolian, which the Mongols themselves, to distinguish from a number of other Mongolian scripts, are often still called Uyghur (Mong. Uyghurzhin bichig). "

                      Quote: avt
                      Byad-ah-ah, well, they will not straighten the brain in a fool.


                      You better tell me, are you also talking about Elder John in Durkee, or is it only here that you gush with your bullshit?
                2. Aposlya
                  Aposlya 6 May 2016 10: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: avt
                  You don’t read the Mongolian chronicles - you’ll be moved in an accelerated manner, they are not written in the “Mongolian” script, and not even in the ancient Kazakh, but in the Uighur, and here's another one for your appetite.


                  The Khalk Mongols adopted the so-called "Old Ugurian script" only in the 15-16th century from the Turks of Moghulistan ... The Old Uigur script was used by the Turks since the time of the conquest of Sogdiana in the 8th century AD. and before the reign of Uzbek Khan (ZO) ...

                  Or did you mean something else?
  • Dulat
    Dulat 5 May 2016 15: 41
    +7
    Nationalism is everywhere. Let them hold an open honest referendum against or for the lease of land to foreigners. If after a referendum the people do not calm down, then the US provocateurs are working. For example, I am against renting the Chinese not only land. And the Russians do not mind renting, because I consider them mine. The Chinese are destroying the earth, they do not want to leave their homes.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 5 May 2016 15: 46
      +3
      Yes, you definitely won’t smoke them from us. smile
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 20: 06
      +3
      Quote: Dulat
      Nationalism is everywhere.

      Of course, there is a healthy nationalism - do not confuse it with ultranationalism, and even more so with Nazism.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 5 May 2016 15: 57
    0
    Nursultan Nazarbayev imposed a moratorium on amendments to the Land Code, reports Tengrinews.kz with reference to the press service of Akorda.

    “It was necessary to convey to the population, who did not understand that there was no talk of any sale of land in our agricultural sector. Therefore, there was complete speculation. That is, we did not bring this essence to the appropriate target groups. However, the mechanisms and norms of the adopted law were not discussed with involvement of the public and the anxiety and concerns of people are largely justified. If our people, Kazakhstanis, do not understand, do not trust the decisions made, then it’s wrong. We are doing this for people, that is, there are doubts in society about a number of legislative norms this issue, "Nazarbayev said at a meeting in Akorda.
    Read more: https://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/nazarbaev-nalojil-moratoriy-na-popravki-v-
    zemelnyiy-codex-xnumx /
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
  • matross
    matross 5 May 2016 16: 11
    +3
    Syndrome of obsessive independence has affected, to one degree or another, all the former Soviet republics. They seriously imagine themselves as powers. And the rest - lands, languages, blocs, wars, coups - these are just symptoms. Only Belarusians are more or less healthy. And what separates Kazakhstan from the savagery and massacre of Russians (and not mythical Russian speakers at all!)? A few years of high oil and gas prices? And another centuries-old culture, of course, it is original for all savages from the outskirts of the former empire, but certainly great!
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 5 May 2016 16: 13
      -4
      Explain what are the origins of the masochistic complex of Russians who constantly shout and directly invoke some kind of massacre on their heads?
      1. black
        black 5 May 2016 16: 40
        +3
        This is with us, such an insidious imperial plan. First, we invoke the massacre on the head of our compatriots, and then we invade a foreign country to protect them. And it also happens that we invoke the massacre on the heads of co-religionists and again according to the imperial program. And most importantly, the century that rolls.
        1. Naiman
          Naiman 5 May 2016 19: 06
          +3
          You tell the Russians in the Donbass. Not very joking, by the way.
          1. black
            black 5 May 2016 20: 34
            +2
            What for? I won there for five months in the militia.
      2. matross
        matross 5 May 2016 17: 08
        +1
        This is not a complex, but an understanding of the teenage psychology of self-affirmation through destruction and denial.
        1. black
          black 5 May 2016 17: 54
          0
          Do you think your opponent will be able to understand how far you sent him? And it’s a pity that he won’t understand.
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    2. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 6 May 2016 08: 37
      +4
      Who, when and where in KZ CUT RUSSIANS? You really incite hatred and enmity between the fraternal peoples with a thoughtless verbiage (What did the Kazakh do to you personally? He took something, owed something, owed something ??? There were no freeloaders in the USSR, they worked regularly, fought together with other peoples against the Nazis, your places on the labor market are not taken away .... Not Like Ukrainians who are close to Russians in spirit, do not feel so much hatred for their own people ... on the contrary, they are even very hospitable! Well, they call Russians "savages" , enlightened Europe. "And if not for the revolution of 1917, then here the peasantry is illiterate and the proletarians in the barracks (((" At the bottom "of Gorky? Did you forget?) Well, change the Flag to an imperial one then, please ... And there were no savages in the union, everyone was brothers, that's why they won in the Second World War !!! Savages, by the way, accepted refugees of all bloods and shared the very last thing ... then even no one shouted about the massacre of the Russians.
      1. matross
        matross 6 May 2016 19: 57
        +1
        I guess no one cut. And I hope it won't. I treat Kazakhs well. And he himself is not from the "estates". So do not get dusty, dear, if you do not understand what it is about. About the brothers in the union, however, I completely agree. And keep the plus for the right beliefs hi
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 May 2016 16: 36
    +1
    And the hell on the Russian VO stuffing about Kazakhstan land. In the hope that the Russians themselves will stir up porridge as in Hohland, They made a mistake with the address, we do not have banderlogs, and if there is a bit, let them go to the Offal. And do not try to untwist us, we ourselves know who is who.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 May 2016 16: 47
    +6
    You can't see the "pale-faced" - they just became catastrophically few! And how many there were military men (including at Baikonur), many left. They leave with families, which means they take away their children and grandchildren. The Kazakhs are successfully building a society Kazakhstan for the Kazakhs. negative hi
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 May 2016 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      The leaders are Ukrainians-minus 22%. Vryatli they left for a "nanny" -fled to Russia.


      Now a lot of Ukrainians have come here from Ukraine, get a job, etc. Fleeing from the nightmare that went in 404 ...
  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 5 May 2016 16: 53
    -1
    Quote: Zymran
    http://my.mail.ru/community/kz-kazakhstan/24061FDC73FFAEAD.html

    Here about the setup and other deeds of debris from dozens.

    Garbage is in relation to someone? I relate to a different structure, but you are inadequate for garbage!
  • Whitepower
    Whitepower 5 May 2016 16: 57
    +4
    Quote: c-Petrov
    fear of “Kazakh nationalism” - sounds wild of course

    Kazakh nationalist.

    All these republics ...

    Putin drove to the core of our RNU, Barkoshivtsi and other shit. Previously, swastikas were on each wall with the words RNE

    The question is why the rest do not do so in the post-Soviet space.

    Independence in the throat is already our neighbors.

    Kazakhstan is still fine, but when Belarusians pedal the topic of a self-sufficient power, it’s not even funny


    Pkhah)) under the shkonka this is of course strongly said) most of all the Russian people are driven under the "shkonka", who, when they are slaughtered by all sorts of abreks from kalkaza, is called a fascist! and when the abreks slaughter the Russians, it’s commonplace. Think ..
  • Naiman
    Naiman 5 May 2016 19: 02
    +6
    The article is normal. The author sees the problem in that part of the population, which makes a great contribution to society, takes a more active part in political life.
    What's so bad about that?
    If the Russian-speaking people were tougher in Ukraine, would the fraternal republic not have erupted? That's all.
    The non-political character of Russian-speaking people in the Republic of Kazakhstan is a bad sign that says a lot.

    Further. In the 90s, blah blah blah, oppressed, taken away, left. Well so, the USSR fell apart. You’re talking about oppression in Kazakhstan, but, for example, that in the same Russia (!!!) Russians were expelled and driven out of their homes, and all were taken away - be silent. Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Tuva, Chuvashia, and even Chechnya. They gave everyone freedom to grab, here they grabbed. They recalled the Kazakhs here, in this row.

    And now unhappy with what? Hayut on black. For your stupidity. For they sold for 500-1000 dollars an apartment with 2 rooms or 3 rooms. And now, whoever leaves is selling for .... $ 40, or for $ 000.
    Well, will you bite your elbows ???
    How can you fuck your Russians, who now work somewhere in New York for a penny, who at one time sold grandma’s kopeck piece in Moscow for a penny, huh?

    Well, now, all sorts of colorful films, you shoot there, "The Road HOME". And lifting, they say you give, who comes back, and all that! Where-thread ..... in the wilderness, where everyone has already left. Handsome men. Brothers, relatives, after all. Solve the demographic crisis.

    And what is the reason for leaving? Harassment? Nationalism? Thu! Do not make me laugh! They sold everything here, they got lifting. And the joy is that! We bought an apartment! Yes, more. SIMPLE AND SIMPLE! SIMPLE AND BANAL!
  • RomanS
    RomanS 5 May 2016 19: 25
    +1
    "Give Maidan in Kazakhstan!", "Kazakhstan for Kazakhs" !!! Excellent slogans for the author of the article. Are Russians passionate? Is it boiling from the inaction of the authorities? So WHO is in power? Aren't they ethnic Kazakhs with a national outlook? And then, the cat abandoned the kittens, it's Putin's fault ... (further along Zadornov as Americans).
  • QWERTY
    QWERTY 5 May 2016 19: 25
    0
    In Kazakhstan, constant know-how))) They said that the main part of subjects in schools should be taught in English from 2020)))) Biology, chemistry, etc. Further, the load on students will fall as a result of the combination of certain subjects, such as geography combined with history ....
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 19: 40
      0
      Quote: ytsuken
      In Kazakhstan, constant know-how))) They said that the main part of subjects in schools should be taught in English from 2020))

      Well, and what is bad?
      Quote: ytsuken
      Further, the load on students will fall due to the combination of some subjects, such as geography combined with history

      Well, actually, I think it's about unification
      zoology-botany-astronomy-anatomy - into the subject of natural science.
      History of Social Studies
      Drawing-singing and similar crap are also in one subject.
      It's okay.
    2. Naiman
      Naiman 6 May 2016 08: 02
      +1
      Not true. From this year trilingualism: Kazakh, Russian and English.
      Moreover, not all, but selectively. I have a senior in the 4th, he will not.
  • Naiman
    Naiman 5 May 2016 19: 32
    +6
    In general, everything is bad. We do not pull out the Bright Future. Do not stretch. I read here, in the USA they came up with it, in Japan they did it, in Germany they built it. And it all starts to seem to me that it does not decay everything about them there. Oh, does not rot. And so you can wait another 30 years when the dollar will bend. I’ve been waiting for the base to be built on the Moon in 2020, put off for 15 years.

    And with this question about the earth. VERY ALL BAD! The question is how is it:

    A million (!!!!) arable land is leased to China for 50-100 years! Think Million!

    What's next? Everything is very simple. 50 Chinese are imported. Then there was a conflict between the Kazakhs and the Chinese, and more blood, then the deployment of troops to protect peaceful Chinese from violent, illiterate and small (only 000 inhabitants) natives. You can drive through the UN.

    A protectorate appears. Disputed territory, with world uranium reserves of 25%. As well as oil, gas, rare earth, lead, zinc, titanium. And .... EARTH.

    Fine, yes ????
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 5 May 2016 20: 45
      +3
      Some still do not understand this! And now I wonder if the Kazakhs have never had their own land ??? maybe there are no Kazakhs? Why do many here refuse Kazakhs the right to sovereignty ?? why did they turn history around ??! I read some here "historians" - shock, heresy is utterly unbelievable ...
    2. Yerlan
      Yerlan 6 May 2016 01: 02
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      Sorry! And about a million (which incidentally, hectares or sq. Km), and even for 100 years, can be more detailed? It would be advisable to argue!
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 6 May 2016 10: 45
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        Quote: Yerlan
        Sorry! And about a million (which incidentally, hectares or sq. Km), and even for 100 years, can be more detailed? It would be advisable to argue!


        And that’s all, and go to Google - look how many loans Kazakhstan took from China ...
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  • kon125
    kon125 6 May 2016 09: 24
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    Kazakhs know better. I hope that Kazakhstanis are wise, as always, to keep peace in the Republic of Kazakhstan. To pass through temptations, not to make a revolution. Each nation has its own characteristics. Kazakhstan has changed a lot, young people have become more educated, but old traditions have been preserved. there is a relative who will help out meat, in the city there is aha that will help my nephews get a job in life .. it's a way that has been tested for centuries. And yet, I was born there .. they respect the old people very much. Kazakhs, as well as Russians, have their own shortcomings. They are hot, they can’t drink, but those Russians who lived in Kazakhstan have the best memories from Kazakhstan. And I ask you to believe all the Kazakhs, a heated discussion of the problems of Kazakhstan precisely because we all understand that Kazakhstan is a great fortress on the Eastern borders of the European of peace. Close in spirit to us, Russians, people. In which there is such a native to us do not care, or in another way, a philosophical attitude to life. Kazakhstan, like Russia, is famous for its roads and a lot of fools. I hope Kazakhstan it will bring about changes and will become even better. I worked in AlmaAt in 2008, amazing successes in construction, good human relations between people of different nationalities, a high level of everyday culture, I raised my hand and testify to these pleasant features of modern Kazakhstan. Which leads attractive to foreign economic policy of investors. Not only capital goes to Kazakhstan, foreigners stay there, because those who have money live there very comfortably. These are problems of growth, and the fact that Russians stay there is very good. and this is not a secret. The fact that they do not interfere in disputes about the land speaks of the wisdom of the Russians living in Kazakhstan. It remains to pour on that, even with the inevitable, unfortunately, Nazarbayev’s withdrawal from the political arena, the traditions of international peace in Kazakhstan will be preserved.