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Far Eastern hectare. Will the new law help to master the Far East?

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The other day, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin signed the famous law “On Far Eastern hectare.” Recall that the State Duma of the Russian Federation adopted a law suggesting the possibility of granting land plots of no more than 1 hectares to citizens of the Russian Federation in the Far Eastern Federal District. “Far Eastern hectare” will be available in the Republic of Sakha - Yakutia, Kamchatka, Primorsky and Khabarovsk territories, Amur, Magadan and Sakhalin regions, Jewish Autonomous Region, Chukotka Autonomous Region. Land will be provided to citizens for free use, and after five years it will be possible to rent it or get it into ownership. But if the land is not used, then it will be seized by the state. In order for a land plot to be provided to a citizen, its compliance with the following conditions is necessary: ​​1) being in free circulation, 2) lack of rights to third parties, 3) being outside the special economic zone, territorial development zone, territory of socio-economic development. In addition, the issuance of land may refuse if it contains minerals. In addition, the plots located within the boundaries of urban districts and rural settlements will not be granted for use, as local residents may apply for them, or they may be used for municipal needs. By the time of its second discussion in the Russian parliament, the lands of the traditional nature management of indigenous and minority peoples of Siberia and the Far East were withdrawn from the scope of the new law.


The purpose of the adopted law is to ensure the further development and settlement of the Russian Far East. It is known that the region, despite its colossal areas, is one of the least populated in the Russian Federation. In the future, the small population of the Far East and the lack of development of its land not only hinder the economic development of the region, but also pose threats to the national security of the country, since vacant land will inevitably arouse the interest of neighboring states, above all - overcrowded China. The opportunity to get a hectare of land per citizen for free, according to Russian politicians, will be an additional incentive for the development of the Far East.

The law on the “Far Eastern hectare” has already been called the new Stolypin reform. As you know, in the early twentieth century. The agrarian reform initiated by the then head of the Russian government, Peter Stolypin, envisaged, among other things, mass resettlement of peasants from the European part of Russia to sparsely populated and practically undeveloped regions of Siberia, the Far East, and Northern Kazakhstan. Only in the period from 1906 to 1914. migrated to Siberia from the European part of Russia 3 040 333 people. Although 17% of immigrants subsequently returned, as they did not like the new place, the remaining 83% of immigrants settled on Siberian and Far Eastern lands.

In fact, it was thanks to Stolypin’s reform that vast territories in the Far East and Siberia were settled, since in only eight years from 1906 to 1914. 1,7 had more migrants there than in the previous forty-plus years — from 1861 (year of serfdom abolition) to 1905. However, it should be noted that Russia's socio-economic and socio-cultural development in the early 20th century, when PA carried out his reform. Stolypin, and at the beginning of the XXI century, when the Russian authorities once again attended to the issues of settling the Far East, are significantly different. At the beginning of the twentieth century. in Russia there was an impressive human resource - the peasants of the overpopulated provinces of the European part of the country. These were people accustomed to agricultural work and, by and large, had no special prospects in their own provinces. Granting land in the Far East and Siberia was a chance for them to start a new life, albeit a complex one, full of dangers, but with the hope of improving their financial situation in the future.

Now we are seeing a completely different situation. Therefore, the law on the “Far Eastern hectare,” although it met with warm support in the State Duma and from the country's president, at the same time raises many questions. First, the legal status of lands is not very clear. Only after five years can a citizen rent or purchase his hectare. But who will guarantee that the state will not take this land back, despite the fact that a person has invested time, effort, money in its processing? Secondly, it is quite embarrassing for many and the area of ​​land provided is one hectare. For building a house and arranging a garden plot with a garden and a kitchen garden, a hectare of land is more than enough. But for agricultural production it is an absolutely insignificant area. Unless agricultural farming is understood as horticulture, horticulture and poultry farming in order to feed one family. But if the plots are allocated to people so that they feed only themselves, then what is the point of the planned project? On the economy of the Far East, it still will not affect.

Far Eastern hectare. Will the new law help to master the Far East?


An important point - and the question of the development of the necessary infrastructure. By signing the law, President Putin demanded to allocate land where it is possible to ensure the availability of modern infrastructure. However, even in the European part of Russia, not all populated areas are provided with water supply, sewage or, at least, gas supply. The only type of housing and communal infrastructure that is present everywhere is the very “light bulb of Ilyich”, electricity, which the Soviet government tried to provide for all of Russia. In addition, if the government intends to attract families with children to the Far East, then the question arises of providing the migrants with affordable kindergartens, schools, out-of-school educational institutions, polyclinics and hospitals. Of course, all these institutions will also need to be staffed with qualified personnel, and the shortage of teaching and medical personnel is also an acute problem for rural areas in the European part of Russia.

Having passed the law on the “Far Eastern hectare”, the Russian authorities, nevertheless, cannot answer the main question - who will go to the Far East to develop the allocated land and what will be the main incentive for the immigrants? Living conditions in modern society are fundamentally different from the Stolypin times. Today, it is rarely what kind of person is capable of not going to develop the lands of the Far East - just moving from town to village, even within one’s own region. For example, in the south of Russia, real estate prices in rural areas are very low, if not to say - penny. For 200-250 thousand rubles, and this is a very small amount, you can purchase a whole household in rural areas of the Rostov region. But even for so little money, no one is in a hurry to move to the countryside. The exception is the ethnic diasporas, which still retain traditional foundations and a different mentality. Therefore, in many localities, Meskhetian Turks and Gypsies constitute a significant part of the population, and Kurds and Yezidis in the Krasnodar Territory. According to a number of media reports, a few years ago, Dungans, Chinese Muslims living in large numbers in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, began to move to the Saratov region. But even in rural areas they do not linger - so, the children of wealthy Meskhetian Turks from the same Rostov region already enter higher education institutions of the regional center and remain in the cities. Note - we are talking about the settlements of the Don, Kuban, Volga region - that is, about the fertile and located in the European part of Russia regions. What, then, is to wait for the Far East, where one trip per family can be compared to the cost of a small house in some Voronezh or Volgograd village?

According to Alexander Galushka, Minister for Development Affairs of the Far East, the law on “Far Eastern hectares”, passed by the State Duma of the Russian Federation, provides young Russians with a chance for self-realization in the Far Eastern regions and territories of the Russian Federation. A citizen may carry out any activity permitted by Russian law in the area he has chosen. According to Nikolai Pankov, chairman of the State Duma Committee on Agrarian Issues, representatives of 30 categories of Russian citizens, including veterans, large families, teachers with 10-15 experience, farmers, distinguished workers with state awards, will be able to get free use of land in the Far East. many years of work. Particularly interesting in this list is the category of veterans. This is how 90-year-olds seem to be old veterans of the Great Patriotic War, traveling to the Far East to cultivate hectares of land allocated to them. Massive relocation to the Far East of large families is also doubtful, if not to speak about yesterday's visitors from the countries of Central and East Asia. However, a teacher with 10-15-year experience, who suddenly decided to “jerk” to the Far East and retrain from teacher to farmer, is an isolated phenomenon. At the same time, the right to apply for a hectare of land will be obtained by those citizens who do not belong to the listed categories, but plan to work on the land. According to the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion, the adopted law aroused considerable interest among Russian citizens. Most of them are interested in young people aged 18-24 years. Every fifth respondent admits for himself the opportunity to participate in the program and possible relocation to the Far East. Another thing is whether young Russians will retain their optimistic attitude when they become familiar with all the peculiarities of life in remote areas of the country. But so far, sociologists, officials, and representatives of political parties are silent about this.

By the way, the idea of ​​allocating a hectare of land to everyone who wanted was very agitated by the local population. In particular, in Yakutsk, back in December of last 2015, a picket was held to postpone the start of the implementation of the bill in the Sakha Republic. Participants of the picket came out with posters "No to raider seizure of land," "Vouchers, free hectares, and what's next, gentlemen oligarchs?". The protests were caused by the fears of the residents of Yakutia that, due to the distribution of "Far Eastern hectares", the local population could be left without land. In April, 2016 residents of Yakutia again demanded not to extend the action of the adopted bill to the territory of the republic.



Natalya Zubarevich, director of the regional program of the Independent Institute for Social Policy, believes that of those regions of the Far East that became the “pioneers” of the “Far Eastern hectare” project, only three districts are suitable for farming - in the Primorsky Krai, the Amur region and the Jewish Autonomous Region. In other areas, it is practically impossible to conduct agricultural agriculture. The only thing for which they can be used is for breeding deer or shaggy Yakut cows.

A writer Eduard Limonov, the leader of the non-parliamentary party The Other Russia, made his own view on the program of the “Far Eastern hectare”. Firstly, Limonov criticized the scale of the program being implemented, since the hectare of land per person, according to the writer and the politician, is a very small area to talk about the real development of the region in the agricultural aspect. Secondly, Limonov wondered who would go to develop new lands and came to the conclusion that in modern Russia one could return the institute of exile. Persons who have committed minor crimes can get the opportunity to go to the development of Siberia and the Far East. Literally quoting Limonov, "who stole jeans, a bottle of vodka or wire, fighters convicted under the article" Hooliganism "will become exiles on our vacant lands close to China." But one can hardly agree with Limonov. In modern society, the economy of the region will not be lifted up by exiled settlers. Marginals convicted of fights or petty theft, at best, can somehow feed themselves from the garden or hunting. And this is only the first argument in the endless list of objections to such an initiative.

- Stage of exiles on the way to Siberia, 1902 year. Photo: RIA Newsarchive

Undoubtedly, the problem of settling the Far East needs to be addressed, and moreover, as efficiently and quickly as possible. But is it worth creating the illusion of this decision by proposing sufficiently controversial programs and initiatives? First of all, in the Far East it is necessary to create jobs with higher wages than on the mainland, as well as to create a full-fledged social and residential infrastructure. Only in this case will the inflow of immigrants from other parts of Russia to the region be ensured. Otherwise, whether handing out free hectares of land or sending expatriated alcoholics and hooligans to the development of the Far Eastern territories, these measures will not lead to any positive result.

When a large number of workplaces are created in the Far East for specialists of various profiles, from software engineers to primary school teachers, when decent living conditions will be created, implying the availability of normal infrastructure and “human” ticket prices to the European part of Russia, then people they themselves will reach for the region - for higher wages, for preferential housing, and finally - for the possibility of faster career growth. And the development of the lands of the Far East for the purpose of agricultural production is better done by agrarian enterprises than by settler gardeners. At the same time, enterprises developing the lands of the Far East should receive appropriate state benefits or even subsidies that allow them to expand their activities in the region from scratch. As for veterans, honored teachers and large families, it is better for them to give out land where there is a full-fledged infrastructure, because the pioneers of these categories are not very good, but they fully deserve good plots with developed infrastructure.
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 5 May 2016 05: 51
    +22
    A hectare is really small. And the infrastructure must be built. We'll have to finish the optimization of educational institutions, medical organizations. Let go of the reins in matters of management, give more independence to visitors. To lend at a reduced rate, to force businessmen not to tear seven skins for building materials, products, fuels and lubricants ... A lot of questions will need to be resolved. But it will be difficult to shift the inert mass of the bureaucracy, which is famous for coastal bureaucracy. But the business is necessary and laudable.
    1. Finches
      Finches 5 May 2016 06: 17
      -15%
      With all the ensuing difficulties of development, and even taking into account Russian gouging, local bureaucratic tricks, I think this is absolutely the right step for the development of the Far East! It’s hard, some time will pass, but I think this GDP initiative will work! Remembering Lomonosov:"Russia will grow with Siberia" , add and the Far East! Otherwise, China will grow for them ...!
      1. Constructor1
        Constructor1 5 May 2016 07: 47
        +72
        Quote: Finches
        I think the absolutely right step for the development of the Far East! With difficulty, some time will pass, but I think this GDP initiative will work!

        I have a question! And what can be done on these hectares? To grow potatoes on permafrost? Diamond or gold mine will not give me ...
        And think what are the benefits of this development? What support from the state? On you ground and spin as you want! Where are the stories about supporting such people? Or for example promises - for example, about tax exemption for 50 years WHERE?
        And how will I get to my hectare? by helicopter? That's all for now, empty talk!
        When in the Far East a large number of jobs will be created for specialists of various profiles - from software engineers to elementary school teachers, when decent living conditions are created, implying a normal infrastructure and human prices for tickets to the European part of Russia, then people they themselves will reach the region - for higher salaries, for preferential housing, and finally - for the possibility of faster career growth.
        Until this is done, chatter will remain.
        1. SSR
          SSR 5 May 2016 08: 51
          +2
          Quote: Designer 1
          I have a question! And what can be done on these hectares? To grow potatoes on permafrost?

          Actually, there is no "arable" land there, but practically wherever you want, and wherever you want with rivers and forests, the rich people will take it first of all, I would take it and it would be expensive for me to hit the road back there ... if so short ... and where the rich are, there are poorer people ... the rich still need working hands ...
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 5 May 2016 09: 07
            +8
            Quote: SSR
            Quote: Designer 1
            I have a question! And what can be done on these hectares? To grow potatoes on permafrost?

            Actually, there is no "arable" land there, but practically wherever you want, and wherever you want with rivers and forests, the rich people will take it first of all, I would take it and it would be expensive for me to hit the road back there ... if so short ... and where the rich are, there are poorer people ... the rich still need working hands ...

            Why should the rich land in the Far East ?! they are not going to work there, but there are lands for rest in the European part of Russia - the article also describes
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 5 May 2016 10: 40
              +14
              One hectare is not a lot, but not a little either. 40 acres is enough to feed one family. And here a hectare per person, that is, at least 2 hectares per family will have to. Of course, this is not Stolypin's 20 hectares per family, and the settlers will not see the tsar's lifting costs of 200 rubles. But still better than 6 acres, from which, by the way, with skillful handling, many families managed to feed themselves. The question is not in quantity, but in guarantees that a person will not be thrown in 5 years, like a sucker at a train station. Currently, there is no legally accurate term "master". And therefore, the interpretation of the development or undevelopment of the site will not only be subjective, but also paid. And there will be no one to complain. Someone on the site will plant a forest of valuable cedar species. In 5 years the forest will not grow yet and it is extremely difficult to prove its development, but people who have their eyes on the future klondike will already appear.
              1. Roman 11
                Roman 11 5 May 2016 15: 46
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                Quote: Mahmut
                The question is not in quantity, but in guarantees that a person will not be thrown after 5 years, like a sucker at the station.

                And if you extend for 5 years to infinity, in case of use? It seems that there is no right, but at the same time, any breeding of furs or northern animal husbandry bringing good profit?
                1. Wheel
                  Wheel 5 May 2016 16: 16
                  +6
                  Quote: Novel 11
                  Any breeding of furs or northern livestock raising good profits?

                  I wonder how many people got rich on these types of activities?
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            3. Cro-Magnon
              Cro-Magnon 5 May 2016 11: 52
              +4
              Nahalyavu, for forest capture, for hunting and fishing ... why not take it! So, again, the authorities and those in possession of the money will take advantage, and not those for whom it’s supposedly all about!
          2. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 5 May 2016 10: 20
            +9
            Wherever you want, they will not give it either, all the forest lands here have long been divided, most of it between the indigenous aboriginal hunters. In addition, where there are minerals, they will not be given either. Most of the forest land is north, i.e. eternal Frost. And where to the south, and so all the good places are "crammed", these citizens will issue them, and after five years of "development" (who and how will check it, the big question is) when they enter into the rights of owners, who is familiar with the laws of the Russian Federation ? They will sell, as this is their private property. There, I hope it is written in the law that this land (which will already be private property) cannot be sold to foreign organizations or citizens? The Chinese will not refuse. On the other hand, if private property cannot be sold as the owner wants it, then what kind of private property is it?
            1. Red_Hamer
              Red_Hamer 5 May 2016 11: 06
              +44
              This is the Far East! Most of it is northern territories. The climate is sharply continental. Leave Manilov’s dreams, in winter -50 +50 in summer, humidity 90% most of the year, permafrost, lack of infrastructure. If this law is for those who have the money to master it all, please! Welcome! Easily accessible southern lands here, I say again, BUSY! Everything else, from the evil one. Born and live in the Far East, I have the right to think and speak like that. You can minus further.
              1. Venceremos
                Venceremos 5 May 2016 11: 26
                +18
                Far Eastern hectare. Will the new law help to master the Far East?

                The other day, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin signed the famous law "On the Far Eastern hectare."


                The question in the title of the article is made correct ...
                What is the Law, in itself, without a state program? What kind of shisha, excuse me, does the President suggest to the migrants (?) To get to the "coveted hectare", to acquire housing, means of production, and for many, many others?
                If he is guided by Stolypin's experience, then it would not be bad to study it "tightly" ...

                And what exactly is the "celebrity" of the law? In addition to resonance in the intensity of discussions, alas, so far nothing more ...

                RAW law. And until a certain financial component is brought up under it, there will be no sense. Stalls.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 57
                  -10%
                  Venceremos

                  They gave you land, know how to use it.

                  Earth is not paper wrappers. And the development region is the best investment.

                  About the laws.

                  If one of the civil servants reads the information, then the following should be done immediately.

                  The state immediately needs to establish a measure of profit from land. Let it be conditional. For example .001% of share income.

                  It does not matter that in the beginning there will be all sorts of distortions. Then you can index.

                  This law is necessary so that you can calculate the interest on a loan at a bank. Whatever credit kills development itself.

                  And this is doubly important, so that speculative interest would not kill both credit and development.

                  Well, if the government took such a magnificent, reasonable development step. It is imperative to stop the fraud of bankers and speculators.
                  1. bastard
                    bastard 5 May 2016 21: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    Well, if the government took such a magnificent, reasonable development step. Required it is necessary to stop the fraud of bankers and speculators.

                    What do you think, a scam like "quick money" and "microcredits" at crazy interest rates (in the 90s the bandits took less), in your opinion, the "invisible hand of the market" itself "regulates" everything, as the "great" Chubais with Gaidar taught us, or still. ... ...
                    Who will stop whom and whom? Yes, the government will sell its mother for a penny, not like the homeland and the people! For Altyn they strangle themselves. Traders in power.
                    I took off my pink glasses for about twenty years, which is what I wish to everyone with all my heart.
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 6 May 2016 15: 40
                      0
                      Scoundrel

                      The 90s had its own atmosphere. The state was destroyed.

                      Talking about how much the state is working effectively now is possible only in certain ways. Because there is a huge difference between the regions, and the difference up to individual villages.

                      In expressing an opinion, I focus on the situation as it should be and what should be avoided.

                      For example, it is still strange to know about the availability of microloans. This says that the state has still not stopped fraudulent schemes.

                      Banking fraud is the responsibility of the state.
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 6 May 2016 15: 53
                      0
                      Quote: villain
                      What do you think, a scam like "quick money" and "microcredits" at insane interest rates (in the 90s the bandits took less), in your opinion, "the invisible hand of the market" itself "regulates" everything

                      Of course - the answer to the desire of the masses.
                      The people would not take - there would not be these microloans. Or does someone make them take it?
                      When a normal loan is not taken from the bank, this pushes people into the clutches of the gray lending market. Market --- there is a demand - there will be an offer.
                2. bastard
                  bastard 5 May 2016 21: 05
                  +5
                  Quote: Venceremos
                  What kind of shisha, excuse me, does the President suggest to the immigrants (?) To get to the "coveted hectare", to acquire housing, means of production, and for many and many others?
                  If he is guided by Stolypin's experience, then it would not be bad to study it "tightly" ...

                  I am delighted with Tupin's ingenious solution. He invented it himself. Al "the wisest" Surkovich suggested the creative? What a touching generosity and concern for the electorate, the people, that is, our way. I already have a lump in my throat and tears of emotion welled up in my eyes! Shchyas burst into tears.
                  All this "charity" reminded me of the ending of the well-known anecdote based on the fairy tale "Seven-colored flower", now I will try to bring it to the attention of the most respectable public:
                  A drug addict sits at the entrance, sucks him, breaking, etc., suddenly a granny appears with weighty sumars:
                  - Son, help, please, otherwise the bags are painfully heavy. . .
                  - Yes, easy, grandma, come on syudy, I’ll help, maybe in the next world it will be counted.
                  And popper, the grandmother barely keeps up. After a couple of turns - a fence, a gate, a grandmother and says:
                  - Here we are, son. Just say thank you somehow and it's inconvenient, here's a seven-colored flower, tear off a petal, say: "fly, fly petal ...", and say a wish, it will come true.
                  And gone.
                  Nark sat on the bench stunned, like, what the hell is it buggy or what? Tears off the petal:
                  - I want a buzz!
                  The buzz spread throughout my body. Ka-ah-ah! ! !
                  Got it. Tears off the second petal:
                  - I do not want a buzz!
                  The buzz has stopped, it doesn’t even break!
                  Tore off the third petal:
                  - I want a funky buzz!
                  Flat on the bench, can’t get up. I got it, tearing the fourth petal:
                  - I do not want a funky buzz!
                  Everything has stopped. There is no breaking, how was born again!
                  - Wow! Miracle! I want to sausage!
                  As the beginning of his sausage, he already fucked up, it never was so high. Stumbled:
                  - I do not want sausage!
                  Again, everything stopped, and again there are no negative consequences.
                  He sits and thinks that he would have thought of such a thing, only one petal remained.
                  And then Kostya comes out on the crutches from the entrance.
                  Addict:
                  - What kind of contraceptive am I, I only think about myself, but the guy has it. I want Kostya to be sausage!
              2. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad 5 May 2016 21: 20
                +2
                Quote: Red_Hamer
                This is the Far East! Most of it is northern territories. The climate is sharply continental. Leave Manilov’s dreams, in winter -50 +50 in summer, humidity 90% most of the year, permafrost, lack of infrastructure. If this law is for those who have the money to master it all, please! Welcome! Easily accessible southern lands here, I say again, BUSY! Everything else, from the evil one. Born and live in the Far East, I have the right to think and speak like that. You can minus further.


                You do not have a single minus. apparently no one is running to the station to buy tickets for the Far East.

                And in general, something else is interesting - when in a year they will sum up and report on their successes, what number of "new settlers" will they draw?

                I open the vote and make a bet - there will be 10.000 - 15.000 happy migrants! more lie, I hope conscience will not allow.
              3. Wayna qhapaq
                Wayna qhapaq 6 May 2016 00: 43
                0
                Quote: Red_Hamer
                This is the Far East! Easily accessible southern lands here, I say again, BUSY! Everything else, from the evil one. Born and live in the Far East, I have the right to think and speak like that. You can minus further.

                Well, at the expense of employment of easily accessible southern lands, you got excited. Thousands of hectares are empty in Primorye - Yakovlevsky, Anuchinsky, Spassky and other districts. Permafrost has never been here and the climate is comparable to the European part. On the other hand, who are you driving now to cultivate the land?
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 5 May 2016 12: 07
            +7
            the rich still care hands need hands
            Chinese?
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 5 May 2016 16: 40
              +5
              Quote: Gardamir
              Chinese?

              For pot-bellied, no matter what the origin of the slaves
          4. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 5 May 2016 13: 22
            +22
            I propose to distribute the land to members of the government, adm.president, State Duma, council members and other state and polit. figures of 10 acres per family (although I would like 2 sq. meters), having previously confiscated in favor of the people their real estate, castles, accounts and property abroad and
            at the same time, pay them the average salary in the Russian Federation.

            I propose to give out lands in the most inconvenience, to see firsthand their shock work on the arrangement of the Far East and the Russian Federation as a whole!

            Well, weak, Mr. Comrade President?
          5. Roman 11
            Roman 11 5 May 2016 15: 33
            0
            Quote: SSR
            Generally, there is no "arable" land distributed

            And scribes in Chukotka breed ......... or in the form of pasture for deer? True, it is necessary to stay away from the hustle and bustle of the gun - to protect from wolves and bears laughing
            1. savage1976
              savage1976 6 May 2016 11: 49
              0
              Are you going to break the law? You can’t be in the hunting season with a gun outside the season, and in public places all year round, and a public place is where even a person can theoretically appear .... Zozma, but our laws are worth it.
        2. Penzuck
          Penzuck 5 May 2016 09: 09
          -3
          Quote: Designer 1
          this will not be done - chatter will remain.

          Years through 50? Kada Chinese all build themselves? Current with this approach, the Russians will not remain in the Far ...

          Or do you think they first build a road to nowhere, and then cities grow around it?

          If you are interested in the details (nadalniyvostok.rf) to help you.
          1. Constructor1
            Constructor1 5 May 2016 10: 09
            +10
            Quote: Penzuck
            Or do you think they first build a road to nowhere, and then cities grow around it?

            And where do cities grow from? around what? What is the use of hectares in the void where children will study?
            How did the cities appear? Mines were built, then not far ore processing plants, then engineering plants (so as not to carry). And near the factories, cities and infrastructure were being built.

            And to a separate cottage in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug no one will definitely build an info structure)))
            1. Penzuck
              Penzuck 5 May 2016 10: 31
              -14%
              Quote: Designer 1
              And where do cities grow from?
              “I can beat you, but I won’t.” In order:
              1. If you were aware of the latest events, you would know that the initiator was VV Zhirinovsky so-called. "Family nest".
              2. If you read the regulatory legal acts, namely the Federal Law of the Russian Federation "On the specifics of providing citizens for free use ...", you would know that you are free to choose a site in the listed regions YOURSELF. If you like it, take it or not.
              3. If you like off-road and the taiga the government does not mind, but if there is already a power line there, then everything is in your hands!
              4. If under such conditions you insist that the government is OBLIGED to make water supply to your site ... then it is useless to argue with you.
              Is it logical
              1. Constructor1
                Constructor1 5 May 2016 11: 42
                +9
                Quote: Penzuck
                4. If under such conditions you insist that the government is OBLIGED to make water supply to your site ... then it is useless to argue with you.
                Is it logical

                Not! We speak in different languages.
                Okay, let's discard the infrastructure, by default let's say it is there or will be ..
                The question is different - what kind of buns, benefits and interest-free loans do people want to lure there? Where are these buns? And it’s just land on you and that’s all .. - not an option!
                1. Penzuck
                  Penzuck 5 May 2016 12: 38
                  -10%
                  https://xn--80aaggvgieoeoa2bo7l.xn--p1ai/support-measure/section?id=15
                  Read, dedicate ...
                  Quote: Designer 1
                  The question is different - what kind of buns, benefits and interest-free loans do people want to lure there? Where are these buns? And it’s just land on you and that’s all .. - not an option!

                  Here it is not necessary to pour banalities ...
                  Quote: Designer 1
                  Not! We speak in different languages.

                  Just you:
                  1. Illiterate in this matter. fool
                  2. Do not catch the logic of my reasoning. (But it is) laughing
                  1. Constructor1
                    Constructor1 5 May 2016 13: 22
                    +9
                    Quote: Penzuck
                    1. Illiterate in this matter.

                    Well, of course!
                    In addition to the full payment of the fare and the right to duty-free import of property, moving compatriots receive lifting in the amount of 150 rubles, plus 000 rubles for each family member.

                    I’ve persuaded everything, I’m going .. for 360000 on my hectare I can fill the foundation ..

                    If I sell an apartment in my Omsk, I still don’t have enough to build a house in Omsk (and even more so a cottage), and in the Far East the prices for building materials are at least twice as high ..

                    Okay, communication has reached an impasse))
                    1. Penzuck
                      Penzuck 5 May 2016 13: 43
                      -9
                      Quote: Designer 1
                      moving property compatriots receive lifting

                      Is this the type of resettlement program from the CIS countries back to Russia? Yes, from Omsk! (And what’s there for the state (isn’t Kazakhstan an hour)?
                      And why do you need from Siberia to the Far East? Frozen, poor in the warm regions wanted? Throw you these evil thoughts ... Better than us Volga to your Siberia call ...
                      Quote: Designer 1
                      Okay, communication has reached an impasse))

                      It's just that you drifted ...
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 02
                      -6
                      Designer

                      Chorus slow down.
                      Organize a virtual cooperative on the Internet. Take from people the right to cultivate the land. Take a loan. Grow a product. Sell ​​it. Pay people a percentage. Ask the government for infrastructure. Take a loan. Build a village. Invite shareholders to a new land. Provides one family member with work on the same tractor. Demand the road from the state, school. Open an industrial store. Organize a hunting fishing enterprise.

                      Damn the sea of ​​opportunities. I would like that. Hands itch.
                      1. Yegorchik
                        Yegorchik 5 May 2016 16: 19
                        +10
                        Quote: gladcu2


                        Damn the sea of ​​opportunities. I would like that. Hands itch.

                        I also love to tryndet on the Internet yes
                      2. Constructor1
                        Constructor1 5 May 2016 17: 02
                        +7
                        gladcu2
                        And who's stopping? Come on!
                        Did you learn geography at school? How many carrots are on permafrost removed from a hectare - do not tell me? Probably 2-3 crops per year laughing
                      3. goose
                        goose 6 May 2016 11: 06
                        +3
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        Take a loan. Grow a product. Sell ​​it. Pay people a percentage. Ask the government for infrastructure.

                        1. Take a loan - Currently in Russia, taking a sufficiently large loan on a common basis is similar to falling into serfdom without the right to buy. In St. Petersburg, for loans for entrepreneurs, preferential officials took up to 50% of the loan body. Therefore, these loans remained unclaimed.
                        2. Grow up is not a fact that it will grow, and not because risky farming, burns out or freezes out everything once every 4 years - neighbors can harm, unfortunately, this mentality. And they will steal the grown-up, give it to drink, do not shoot at the neighbors from the Berdanka - our laws only allow "big fish".
                        3. Sell it. The dominance of dealers will not be allowed into any of the markets or stores without an unrealistic bribe, and you yourself will not stand behind the counter - you need to work.
                        4. Demand from the state. - Unfortunately, this is impossible, you can only demand from officials, and they, the state and you, have completely different interests. And I have not yet seen something of their coincidence.
                      4. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 6 May 2016 15: 46
                        0
                        good constructor

                        Thank you, the comments are significant.

                        We conclude that progress will not work with the lands.
                  2. goose
                    goose 6 May 2016 10: 58
                    +1
                    It must be said separately that the population has virtually no savings, as such, thanks to the political course since the early 90s, therefore, the presence of significant "buns" is necessary.
            2. Scoun
              Scoun 5 May 2016 13: 25
              -2
              Quote: Penzuck
              “I can beat you, but I won’t.” In order:

              It would be better if you made fun of the people)) lol
              You give them in fact and the people for the "buns" minus !!! ha ha ha! I haven't laughed with such greedy people for a long time))
              https://youtu.be/TSP8MwsQR34

              We have a smell of "hohland" from many,
              all at once it is necessary to eat fish and pass the bones and it would not be bad to fuck caviar )))
              For some, either from the fact that the hands are short or the toad is strangling (amphibiotropic asphyxia), in general, "crushes" the people from the spring aggravation)))
              1. Penzuck
                Penzuck 5 May 2016 13: 45
                -3
                Quote: Scoun
                It would be better if you made fun of the people))

                All shoulder straps hurt, completely in the eyes of young people I’ll fall. drinks
                1. Scoun
                  Scoun 5 May 2016 14: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Penzuck
                  Quote: Scoun
                  It would be better if you made fun of the people))

                  All shoulder straps hurt, completely in the eyes of young people I’ll fall. drinks

                  Moreover, many believe that this bill is designed for all 145 million citizens of Russia)) yeah ... fled))) in fact, their "Family Nest" there will be built 100-300 thousand and another 700 thousand accompanying, which in the future will serve these "Nests". ))
                  1. Penzuck
                    Penzuck 5 May 2016 15: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Scoun
                    Moreover, many believe that this bill is designed for all 145 million citizens of Russia)) yeah ... fled))) in fact, their "Family Nest" there will be built 100-300 thousand and another 700 thousand accompanying, which in the future will serve these "Nests". ))

                    Even so, it is "+".
        3. Amurets
          Amurets 5 May 2016 10: 14
          +10
          Quote: Penzuck
          Or do you think they first build a road to nowhere, and then cities grow around it?

          The road to nowhere is built! This is BAM. There is a road, but there is no development of that region. In geological terms, this is a white spot. And what is open is mined by precious metals and not everywhere. I don’t say the rest. Who wants to know about our life , go to Siberian and Far Eastern forums, ask questions.
          1. Penzuck
            Penzuck 5 May 2016 10: 46
            -9
            Quote: Amurets
            The road to nowhere is built! This is BAM.

            Feasibility study? Payback on cap investments? Cargo turnover provided by BAM? ONE EMOTIONS? fool

            Quote: Amurets
            Who wants to know about our life, go to Siberian and Far Eastern forums, ask questions.

            But about life in Ukraine it is necessary at the Censor. NO Ask? wassat
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 5 May 2016 11: 04
              +5
              Quote: Penzuck

              Feasibility study? Payback on cap investments? Cargo turnover provided by BAM? ONE EMOTIONS?

              But do you know what the BAM was created for? Hardly. After the events on Damansky, the Central Committee and the Government realized that it was necessary to create a second strategic path. The Trans-Siberian Railway is too close to the border. This is where the reserve move was needed. And what deposits are there, look on the Internet. And now the Trans-Siberian Railway is not completely loaded, what can we say about BAM. And all these feasibility studies, payback, cargo turnover, this is classified information.
              1. Penzuck
                Penzuck 5 May 2016 12: 49
                -7
                Quote: Amurets
                Do you know why BAM was created?

                "And you were not by chance in Tahiti" (C) - yes, it makes no difference to me. The road is being built for the transportation of goods and people (you don't have to go further).
                Quote: Amurets
                .And now the Transsiberian is not loaded

                How consistent with this:
                Quote: Amurets
                about BAM. And all these feasibility studies, payback, freight turnover, this is classified information.

                So not loaded, or classified information? wassat
                PANYANTA - YOU SCOPE INFU DIRECTLY FROM THE TOP!
                Well, I won’t provoke you, otherwise you’ll suddenly open the state secret. bully .
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 5 May 2016 13: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Penzuck
                  Quote: Amurets
                  .And now the Transsiberian is not loaded

                  How consistent with this:

                  You are our expert in the Urals. I have lived all my life in the Far East and I know what I worked here and how I worked at BAM. How are the transportation coordinated? It's very simple. Now BAM is part of the Far Eastern Railway and you don't need to show your stupidity. You can come and to get your hectare in the Far East, only what this pleasure will cost you. How much did it cost the Permians, read "Amur-Father" and "Gold Rush" by N. Zadornov, the father of our humorist. Now the same thing, nothing has changed.
                  1. Penzuck
                    Penzuck 5 May 2016 15: 21
                    -6
                    1. http://rzd.ru/ent/public/ru?STRUCTURE_ID=5185&layer_id=5554&refererLayerId=5553&
                    id = 243
                    dvd? closed Information? laughing
                    Quote: Amurets
                    That's how!

                    those. No way. smile
                    Your card is a bit ... bully
                    Quote: Amurets
                    and do not show your stupidity

                    What kind of nonsense can be in logic?
                    Quote: Amurets
                    . I have lived all my life in the Far East and I know what is here and how

                    Which does not prevent you from being confused (Unless you have recharge from the TOP). Okay, okay, I believe you ...
              2. krops777
                krops777 5 May 2016 17: 34
                +1
                And now the Transsiberian is not fully loaded, what can we say about BAM.


                I’ll tell you a secret because I live on the BAM and participate in the transportation process, Transib is loaded to the ears, they let double trains run, to somehow unload, the same picture for BAM is 14 pairs per day, and the task is set to 15 and above.
                1. 406ppm2gv
                  406ppm2gv 6 May 2016 18: 50
                  0
                  in connection with which only 14 pairs?
                  1. krops777
                    krops777 7 May 2016 16: 29
                    +1
                    in connection with which only 14 pairs?

                    Farther Taksimo is a one-way and not yet electrified.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 5 May 2016 12: 03
              +14
              Quote: Penzuck
              Feasibility study? Payback on cap investments?

              My minus. Uncle lives in a village built during the construction of BAM, he wants to leave there, there is no work there, people survive at the expense of gardens and hunting. Here is the rationale for you. By the way, another uncle 2 years ago, smeared skis with the Far East in the Krasnodar Territory.
              1. Penzuck
                Penzuck 5 May 2016 12: 52
                -5
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                My minus. Uncle lives in a village built during the construction of BAM, he wants to leave there, there is no work there, people survive at the expense of gardens and hunting. Here is the rationale for you. By the way, another uncle 2 years ago, smeared skis with the Far East in the Krasnodar Territory.

                I sincerely sympathize with you ...
                Everyone knows that there is an outflow of people with DV. But how does this relate to the topic of the article?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 5 May 2016 13: 18
                  +12
                  Quote: Penzuck
                  Everyone knows that there is an outflow of people with DV. But how does this relate to the topic of the article?

                  Yes, directly. One hectare of land people in the Far East can not be lured. A larger program is needed here, up to the construction of jobs, roads, hospitals and schools.
                  1. Penzuck
                    Penzuck 5 May 2016 13: 25
                    -6
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    One hectare of the land of people to hell on pies do not lure.

                    Quote: Designer 1
                    The question is different - what kind of buns, benefits and interest-free loans do people want to lure there? Where are these buns? And it’s just land on you and that’s all .. - not an option!

                    Is "nadalniyvostok.rf" weak to look?
                    You do not write with two nicknames? wassat
                    Or: Am I omniscient, omniscient, and omnipotent? What are my questions? Googly, villain.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 May 2016 13: 57
                      +8
                      Quote: Penzuck
                      You do not write with two nicknames?

                      I’m unfamiliar with the Designer. He is from Omsk, I am from the Tula region. By the way, this idea of ​​land distribution, as far as I remember, was proposed by Trutnev, and not Zhirinovsky. There are no questions for you.
          2. Hort
            Hort 6 May 2016 12: 37
            +1
            in 70-80 years. A detailed mapping and geological study of the entire USSR was carried out. So there were no spots there. Just for the 90s everything about ... missed, let's say
        4. Igluxnumx
          Igluxnumx 5 May 2016 17: 25
          +3
          Do you know how to build / built factories in America? First, they consider how much and what is needed and conclude supply contracts. Then they build a road and let down communications. And only then they begin to build.
      2. sodick
        sodick 5 May 2016 10: 18
        +6
        We forget that it is also necessary to cultivate this land with something. Cut down the forest, plow, fertilize, sow, harvest. Hands that will do it? We as a family (3 adult men, 3 women + more or less adult children) cultivate 20 acres for several days (at the same time, we hire a tractor for potatoes). How is it? also hire a tractor at your own expense and carry it by helicopter?
        1. goose
          goose 6 May 2016 11: 13
          +1
          Quote: sodick
          How is it? hire a tractor at your own expense and take it by helicopter

          For this, in the USSR there were rembases with equipment. This is the only way for Russia to provide farmers, for incomes and population density with rare exceptions do not allow it to be redeemed for personal use with adequate maintenance.
      3. vlad_vlad
        vlad_vlad 5 May 2016 12: 15
        +6
        Quote: Designer 1

        I have a question! And what can be done on these hectares?


        it's like a suitcase without a handle - it's hard to carry and it's a pity to drop it.
      4. ism_ek
        ism_ek 5 May 2016 14: 11
        -7
        Quote: Designer 1
        And what can be done on these hectares? To grow potatoes on permafrost?

        Vladivostok is the latitude of Sochi
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 5 May 2016 14: 41
          +7
          Quote: ism_ek
          Vladivostok is the latitude of Sochi

          Yeah, the second Sochi - the sun is shining, but not very))
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 5 May 2016 15: 25
            0
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Yeah, the second Sochi - the sun is shining, but not very))

            The sun shines exactly the same. Learn the geography of your home country.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 5 May 2016 15: 47
          +3
          Only in Vlad himself will no one give land. Moreover, real estate prices in the city are almost Moscow.
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 6 May 2016 10: 27
            -1
            Quote: Greenwood
            Only in Vlad himself will no one give land. Moreover, real estate prices in the city are almost Moscow.
            A hundred times less. And if you drive a few tens of kilometers ... Yes, and the area of ​​the Primorsky Territory is three times the area of ​​the Krasnodar Territory.
        3. goose
          goose 6 May 2016 11: 18
          +4
          Quote: ism_ek
          Vladivostok is the latitude of Sochi

          So what? Krasnoyarsk is south of Moscow, but grapes are growing in Moscow, but not in Krasnoyarsk. Spring in Moscow begins in March, and in Krasnoyarsk in May. Among other things, minus with snow is optionally possible in June and August.
          The thickness of the fertile layer is a couple of centimeters, under it is clay, due to which all dirt roads are an impassable smear for wheeled vehicles. And there are VERY wide rivers through which one bridge for 300 km; mountains where one road per 1000 km.
          And so it is possible to describe almost all of Siberia and the Far East.
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 6 May 2016 11: 55
            -1
            Quote: goose
            So what? Krasnoyarsk south of Moscow,
            In fact, Moscow is south of Krasnoyarsk, although slightly.
            Quote: goose
            grapes are growing in Moscow, but not in Krasnoyarsk.

            Again a lie. Varieties from Primorye grow in Krasnoyarsk.

            AND REMEMBER THE WISE. Before writing any nonsense, open a map. Krasnoyarsk - THIS IS THE GEOGRAPHIC CENTER OF RUSSIA. TO THE FAR EAST HE DOESN'T RELEASE !!!! From Krasnoyarsk to Khabarovsk fly longer than from Moscow to Egypt.
      5. gladcu2
        gladcu2 5 May 2016 14: 56
        -10%
        Designer

        Kindergarten.

        People stopped thinking at all. And Lemons with the same. To criticize is not to carry bags.
        And give the author infrastructure and space for programmers on bare ground. Oh my god

        Duck must be happy. This is a sea of ​​opportunity. People are given huge capital for free. Grab who can.

        And this is what needs to be done.

        Pill site. Reorganize into cooperatives. Take a loan. Buy agricultural machinery, farmland. Sell ​​a product. And to each shareholder according to the percentage of profit. And when the economy works to its fullest, the state will let the infrastructure down, arrange places for programmers, and you can move to the area.

        That’s the whole story. Business then.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 12
          0
          Are you minus?

          Express your opinion. Ready to defend my opinion.
        2. ilyaros
          5 May 2016 16: 16
          +7
          Where will the children study? where people will be treated from these villages. until "the economy is working to its fullest, the state will let the infrastructure down"? And this is not a huge capital! In the South of Russia, in the most fertile places, you can buy even more land for a hundred or another thousand rubles. Here are the ads - sold for 400 thousand rubles 8,5 hectares (not 1 hectare !!). And then - go find someone who wants to buy them! But this is the South, 10 km. - Rostov-on-Don, with its infrastructure.
      6. Vladimir71
        Vladimir71 5 May 2016 17: 06
        +8
        By the will of fate, fate once threw into Yakutia and indeed permafrost food prices are two or even three times higher than in Russia and the materials here are gold and a hectare of taiga and even wood skewer. So without state support it’s just a fiction or a PR move ...
      7. Finches
        Finches 5 May 2016 20: 48
        -3
        Foreigners will come and take where you do not want ... and then you will start shouting - "Russia has been sold!"
      8. Bayun
        Bayun 6 May 2016 00: 39
        0
        "What is there to do?" The answer is to survive. There is a rumor about a possible change in the position of the poles in the 21st century. Perhaps this is related to activity in the Far East and in the Arctic.
      9. Red_Hamer
        Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 02: 46
        +3
        I have a question! And what can be done on these hectares? To grow potatoes on permafrost?
        By the way, only potatoes are possible, due to them, many in the regions of the far north, and territories equated to it, survive. (North, northeast of the Amur Region, north of the Khabarovsk Territory) You just have to sweat, "special technology" - first layer sawdust, then manure, if you can get it (livestock, unlike humans, is more tender, dies from the local climate, and excuse me for hay, you can't prepare so much in the taiga, and it will be 2-3 times more expensive than the final product to bring feed from the south ), I'm talking about the northern territories (with permafrost). There is still such a "joy", in summer it is often monsoon, nasty (cold) rain for 2-3-4 weeks without stopping with a break for 2-3 relatively clear days in fog. But year after year, "relatively clear" years with hot summers and low oxygen levels do not occur, because everything is obscured by smoke from fires. But people somehow adapted to the smoke, by the way, the vile also adapted, eats equally well in smoke and without it. And yes, years with monsoons and hot summers lead to the same thing, floods. The layer of earth is extremely insignificant, from the monsoon it gets wet to the permafrost and rushes in stormy streams of mountain rivers, demolishing everything in its path. But in hot years, yes, the ice melts in the mountains, and the same effect. laughing And do not get fooled by the word "summer", it starts late here and ends early. And in the evening without a sweatshirt in any way (yes, yes, the same quilted jacket, cold in the evening). So, a layer of sawdust (if there is something to cut in sufficient quantity, and funds for the purchase of what to saw from), a layer of manure, if you find it, a layer of "earth", well, this is not the central black earth region of Russia, you cannot call it humus, but still the earth. And still do not hope that there is "free electricity", it is not enough, and it is expensive and extremely unstable. I almost forgot, there is simply no hectare for a vegetable garden, you know the mountains. Here is such a "piece of land" as in the photo we are cultivating. Why, I even raised a pumpkin somehow laughing
    2. okunevich_rv
      okunevich_rv 5 May 2016 09: 14
      +48
      Everything is very simple like cheese:
      You get 4 hectares on an average statistical family, you come for money from an apartment sold in the city, you build a road from the nearest settlement. Then you take a loan from a bank at 25% per annum for this money, enter into a technological connection agreement with a local network organization, depending on the distance, the cost may be some 10-15 million, the term of the contract is three years. We take another loan for the construction of a house, taking into account the cost of delivery of building materials, we hire workers from China just no other :),
      We call all relatives and friends, and in the end we sell a kidney to buy farm animals and build a flock, a tired person's kidney will not pull for more. After five years, your site is assessed and they say your 4 hectares are pulling on just a few taxes. "Kondrat" hugs you. The family celebrates a memorial service and tries to sell the property to the Chinese, along with a prudently frozen second kidney.
      We vote for the most profitable business plan.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 5 May 2016 10: 34
        -10%
        Quote: okunevich_rv
        You get 4 hectares on an average statistical family, you come for money from an apartment sold in the city building a road from the nearest village.

        I would delete this item, it’s very expensive to build a road. I would immediately buy an all-terrain vehicle.

        Quote: sodick
        We forget that it is also necessary to cultivate this land with something. Cut down the forest, plow, fertilize, sow, harvest.

        Here's why immediately cut down? and put the apiary? and cloudberries and mushrooms and medicinal plants?
        Cut down the old cliche and plow.
        PS.
        If my wife was not such a "city" I would have signed up and despite the difficulties
        1. Platonich
          Platonich 5 May 2016 11: 05
          +13
          And to whom will you sell honey in the taiga or tundra? Only to bears! But they have a lot of dollars!
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 5 May 2016 11: 18
          +10
          Quote: Scoun
          I would delete this item, it’s very expensive to build a road. I would immediately buy an all-terrain vehicle.

          On an all-terrain vehicle - it's permafrost! And in the forest - in the taiga! - on skis, and only on them! On foot, that is ...
          Quote: Scoun
          Here's why immediately cut down? and put the apiary? and cloudberries and mushrooms and medicinal plants?

          Read Zotova! ... Fill the whole planet with Russian honey! and fill up with mushrooms, cloudberries and herbs! (having, by the way, like all biologically active products, very limited shelf life and specific conditions for this storage! Robinson, ml ... I beg you - no offense, but - an adventure too ... Without potatoes and bread, not only Russian - and German death ... on the Far Eastern hectare!)
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        4. faridg7
          faridg7 5 May 2016 14: 24
          +10
          Quote: Scoun
          Quote: okunevich_rv
          You get 4 hectares on an average statistical family, you come for money from an apartment sold in the city building a road from the nearest village.

          I would delete this item, it’s very expensive to build a road. I would immediately buy an all-terrain vehicle.

          Quote: sodick
          We forget that it is also necessary to cultivate this land with something. Cut down the forest, plow, fertilize, sow, harvest.

          Here's why immediately cut down? and put the apiary? and cloudberries and mushrooms and medicinal plants?
          Cut down the old cliche and plow.
          PS.
          If my wife was not such a "city" I would have signed up and despite the difficulties
          Mushrooms and cloudberries? Oh well. And after 5 years, get out of here, a loafer, the land is not cultivated.
          We have a law enshrined in the decision on the issuance to Primorye of land for housing (young families and families with two or more children) which not working, I can declare this with full responsibility - I applied when the eldest was a minor, the boy is already in his 2nd year in Krasnodar, and we did not even hear a hint of the site. You may be offended by me, but with this law our government and president just once again plunged into a puddle.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 5 May 2016 23: 45
            +4
            Quote: faridg7
            but with this law, our government and president just once again plunged into a puddle.

            and many nravitstso request bunch of the president for them is holy spirit wink
        5. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 03: 31
          +2
          Honey bees, only the south of the Far East, in the north they do not take root in a special Far East climate, you know, proven by generations of Russian people, you are not the first such "wise beekeeper". Cloudberries and mushrooms, I would look at you, if you tried to collect all this on an industrial scale. The same has been tested by generations, and by the way, you still need to look for cloudberries. Lingonberries, yes, you will, but that's bad luck. Back in the 80s, schoolchildren earned money from graduation by picking mushrooms and lingonberries. The Japanese refused to buy, you know the increased level of radiation. How? Nobody told you that there is often a natural background, like in Kiev at the time of the HOUR accident? You see, the Far East taiga is not a plain, it is mountains. A little further south there, yes, taiga, with swamps, or rather swamps with light forests. Are you not water for an hour? And even further to the south, there is no taiga, there are already fields, already cultivated fields. I don’t say beyond Primorye, everything is occupied there before you. Maybe you will find something in the Jewish region for an apiary. Or nearby in the Amur region, Bureysky district, but you know there is 1 hydroelectric power station and another hydroelectric power station is being built, plus one more hydroelectric power station on Zeya, total two on Zeya, two on Bureya and this is not the limit, they still want to build , and along other rivers (the climate is already changing, and will not change for the better, do bees like rain?) And yes, your wife is a wise person, hold on to her, holte and cherish.
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          2. goose
            goose 6 May 2016 11: 32
            +1
            Quote: Red_Hamer
            Cloudberries and mushrooms,

            Compared to taiga, European forests are a hypermarket full of food. The berry is far from every year, the same mushrooms. The greenery is still growing, but if there is no rain for a month or two, absolutely everything will burn out. And it's not uncommon - yellow grass in June. In the taiga, only vultures, ticks and rare animals live. For picking berries, nuts and hunting many kilometers have to be missed. Everything damaged on an industrial scale bends very quickly and is restored extremely slowly. Taiga really does not like massive invasions of people.
            And also because of the sharp melting of the snow flooding every year, fires due to drought.
            Tourism needs to be developed on ADD, but the same thing must be done carefully. Agriculture is extremely difficult, even on ready-made infrastructure, only for local consumption, followed by industry and other businesses.
        6. Red_Hamer
          Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 04: 47
          +1
          And by the way, what kind of mushrooms and cloudberries, and apiary on 1 hectare in the Far East? Here you are not Eden. Engage in production, think of what, and do it (the main thing is the demand for the produced, and competitiveness, right?) The abundance of stations does not mean cheap electricity, it is expensive here. But in neighboring China, cheap, and there it is for sale. Everything is in your calloused hands, success!
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 5 May 2016 11: 05
        +9
        Quote: okunevich_rv
        "Kondrat" hugs you. The family celebrates a memorial service and is trying to sell the property to the Chinese, plus a prudently frozen second kidney.
        We vote for the most profitable business plan.

        Conclusion: without a program of state subsidies and loans (up to the distribution of money for free - that is, free of charge!), The program and the law on the "Far Eastern hectare" is a stillborn monster!
        Attempts to circumvent bank loans at 25-30% per annum will meet wildly legislative resistance at 60-70% (or am I optimistic?) Of the pro-liberal government of Russia and the regions ...
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 08
          -7
          CONTROL

          Spruce the fallen.

          What are the subsidies? They gave you land for free !!!! :)

          You have all the subsidies on hand. Go ahead and with the song. Read my business plan and work.
          1. goose
            goose 6 May 2016 11: 35
            +2
            Quote: gladcu2
            They gave you land for free !!!! :)

            And access to the means of production was not, and is not.
            Add sales problems and extremely unfriendly weather. Have you tried to go outside at -60 + wind? Even for this ordinary event, determination is not necessary for children.
            1. Red_Hamer
              Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 12: 26
              0
              Have you tried to go outside at -60 + wind?
              in a detached building in the far corner of the garden from slab. laughing
            2. atalef
              atalef 6 May 2016 15: 56
              0
              Quote: goose
              Have you tried to go outside at -60 + wind? Even for this ordinary event, determination is not necessary for children.

              Just a question, I saw -45, but in general if it happens -60 and with the wind? As a rule, the stronger the frost, the quieter the wind.
      3. gunya
        gunya 5 May 2016 12: 27
        +17
        Caustic, but everything is true. The law is not working, actually a slogan.
        Let’s figure out for what purpose this law appeared?
        1. restore agricultural
        2. To increase the population.
        3. Development of empty territories.

        According to claim 1, nothing is provided for securing those who wish to move, nor development plans and bases, nor types of management.
        Items 2 and 3 are practically not real because there is no incentive "to slurp soup with bast shoes for a hundred miles."

        As a conclusion - a populist event.
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 06
        -4
        okunevich

        My business plan is better. And it will work faster. You have it more expensive. You do not take into account the obligations of the state.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 5 May 2016 15: 24
          +9
          Quote: gladcu2
          You do not take into account the obligations of the state.

          And you do not take into account that our state scored on all its duties, besides the fees and taxes from the people.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 5 May 2016 15: 52
          +10
          Quote: gladcu2
          You do not take into account the obligations of the state.
          We do not have Canada here, so that the state remembers its responsibilities.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 5 May 2016 16: 17
            -6
            Greenwood

            So that's great. There are new introductory plans.

            We make adjustments. Infrastructure will have to build yourself. Originally.

            But this is not important. And the following is important.

            The presence of land is the largest capital that you get in your hands. To get benefits from this, you need to think as follows. I describe the principles, and do a business plan according to circumstances.

            Hold on.

            Principle 1

            Earth is the most powerful capital. Land of development increases capital tenfold.

            Principle 2

            A development plan based on land development gives you the opportunity to get unlimited credit, for unlimited time.

            Principle 3

            When forming a plan for a cooperative, collective farm, gravel pit, asphalt, concrete plant), it is necessary to clearly establish the share of profit from land conditionally .001.

            This 001% will be the starting point at which you can build a loan repayment. It will be this percentage that will be the current currency. Neither the dollar nor the ruble will influence their inflation on the loan repayment system. This question is actually the key to success in development. If the government does not clearly establish and does not guarantee this percentage of profit per hectare of land, then this whole idea with land will be a virtual zilch.

            Try to make sense of the last point.

            When it comes, the flag is in your hands. Cooperate, create a plan, and let unemployment disappear in the regions of development.
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 5 May 2016 16: 48
              +2
              Quote: gladcu2
              Greenwood

              So that's great. There are new introductory plans.

              We make adjustments. Infrastructure will have to build yourself. Originally.

              But this is not important. And the following is important.

              The presence of land is the largest capital that you get in your hands. To get benefits from this, you need to think as follows. I describe the principles, and do a business plan according to circumstances.

              Hold on.

              Principle 1

              Earth is the most powerful capital. Land of development increases capital tenfold.

              Principle 2

              A development plan based on land development gives you the opportunity to get unlimited credit, for unlimited time.

              Principle 3

              When forming a plan for a cooperative, collective farm, gravel pit, asphalt, concrete plant), it is necessary to clearly establish the share of profit from land conditionally .001.

              This 001% will be the starting point at which you can build a loan repayment. It will be this percentage that will be the current currency. Neither the dollar nor the ruble will influence their inflation on the loan repayment system. This question is actually the key to success in development. If the government does not clearly establish and does not guarantee this percentage of profit per hectare of land, then this whole idea with land will be a virtual zilch.

              Try to make sense of the last point.

              When it comes, the flag is in your hands. Cooperate, create a plan, and let unemployment disappear in the regions of development.

              Clear. Businessman.
              Come and head the company for the development of the Far East!
    3. Pereira
      Pereira 5 May 2016 09: 16
      +21
      Absolutely stillborn idea.
      Onaligoty slipped Putin a dummy. No matter how it is, in general, there was no sabotage, for the sake of pulling away the already crisis budget.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 5 May 2016 10: 12
        +16
        Quote: Pereira
        No matter how it is, in general, there was no sabotage, for the sake of pulling away the already crisis budget.

        Something was all this venture to me, the vouchers reminded, as if later, after all the attempts of the citizens to settle down, what happened with the vouchers, that is, buying up a song for nothing, and in the case of force majeure in the form of non-payment of land tax, or other, ( after all, it is not known what else up there will come up with something to tear the money from the slaves) uncle collectors will come and take away what remains. It is not in vain that their interests are being lobbyed by someone in the Duma, despite the chaos that they are creating.
        So it's not as easy as they say.
        Here is an example, the guys took up livestock farming, it took 115 tyrov to carry out the power transmission line, despite the fact that there is a farm with a substation nearby, to make a way, so this should be coordinated with environmentalists, geologists, and other rents worth more than a dozen tyros.
        The idea, I think is unpromising, given the fact that local authorities cannot issue simple land plots for 8 years, then diarrhea, then scrofula, and so on ad infinitum; tomorrow.
        Something like this, it turns out, everything is like in the film Russia is young. Alas, not one century has passed, but all as under Peter 1.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 17
          -3
          Sirocco

          To carry out infrastructure, it is the responsibility of the state. You pay tax for this.

          I do not get it. Why should you pay from your pocket?
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 5 May 2016 15: 36
            +11
            They made me laugh !!!! In addition to federal roads, the entire infrastructure has long been in private hands, all possible Sakhenergo or the same Vodokanal are all OAO, ZAO, and so on. etc. Even roads departing from the federal highway, for example, to some kind of holiday village are being built and maintained with the money of the owners. About your business plan, what are your interest on the loan? And no one will give it to you for a long time without a pledge of the land itself, and you won’t be able to lay it, since it does not belong to you for the next 5 years. And given the difference in prices for materials and services that are three times higher in the Far East region than in the western regions of Russia, you, after making not difficult difficulties, recognize your business plan as utopia
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 5 May 2016 16: 44
              -5
              Nehist

              Thank you for the detailed comment.

              The fact that you described the situation does not change anything in principle, but simply corrects it. The principle remains unchanged.

              So that you understand where the dog rummaged I will give you the following.

              Watch the thought.

              We have a hectare and a man. The hectare-man bond is a material quantity. Conventionally, we call this unit .001% of virtual profit. Such a calculation makes it possible to replace all monetary units of the world, provided that this .001% does not change. Since this profit has already been mortgaged and it is already stable, the calculation of the loan must be made to this constant. And any changes in inflation will be leveled against .001%. In fact, without such a condition adopted by the government, this idea will not work with lands.

              Credit will not be possible to calculate. Risk is not possible.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 5 May 2016 15: 53
            +6
            Quote: gladcu2
            To carry out infrastructure, it is the responsibility of the state. You pay tax for this.
            We do not live in Canada, my dear, to argue so naively.
      2. guzik007
        guzik007 5 May 2016 10: 13
        +23
        Onaligoty slipped Putin a dummy. No matter how it is, in general, there was no sabotage, for the sake of pulling away the already crisis budget.
        -------------------------------------------------- -
        Og, and the great and wise helmsman with pleasure grabbed the idea. Does this cause any thoughts? What about adequacy, mental co-factor?
        In my opinion, this is either an absolutely crazy idea that somehow does not fit with my ideas about Putin’s mental abilities. Or, most likely, a very tricky multi-pathway with the subsequent delivery of the Far East to the Chinese people. the most expensive rating will collapse. And so, the oligarchs through the fake nahapa and chinas will deliver zemlyatse to process. Then, through all sorts of by-laws and other legal crap, they will one day become full-fledged owners of what thread of a special economic zone.
        For reference, Stolypin, in addition to the land, provided peasants with free travel with all their belongings and property. In addition, each owner received money for building a house and other miracles. In addition, we must not forget that the PEASANTS were traveling. They were accustomed to hard work and harsh life.
        In general, two options:
        1. Either this is an idea from impotence to change something for the better, as the highest form of schizoidness of the current government is not capable of anything, it will necessarily end in complete zilch
        2. Or (more likely) the next giveaway towards the neighbor.
        very similar, if you consider how hard they are now rushing about with the idea of ​​dumping supposedly harmful flood waters to the Chinese. So soon the pipe will be extended to friends from Lake Baikal.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 5 May 2016 10: 41
          +18
          Quote: guzik007
          In general, two options:
          1. Either this is an idea from impotence to change something for the better, as the highest form of schizoidness of the current government is not capable of anything, it will necessarily end in complete zilch
          2. Or (more likely) the next giveaway towards the neighbor.
          very similar, if you consider how hard they are now rushing about with the idea of ​​dumping supposedly harmful flood waters to the Chinese. So soon the pipe will be extended to friends from Lake Baikal.

          Quote: guzik007
          In general, two options:
          1. Either this is an idea from impotence to change something for the better, as the highest form of schizoidness of the current government is not capable of anything, it will necessarily end in complete zilch
          2. Or (more likely) the next giveaway towards the neighbor.
          very similar, if you consider how hard they are now rushing about with the idea of ​​dumping supposedly harmful flood waters to the Chinese. So soon the pipe will be extended to friends from Lake Baikal.

          Yes, there are no two options here. There is one. Our government wants to get rid of Siberia and the Far East. What harmful flood waters have you found? The Chinese shamelessly pump water from the Amur basin and Siberian river basins to their needs. Salinization of the waters of the lower and middle reaches of the Ob occurs, since almost all the water of the Black Irtysh goes to China. Amur near Blagoveshchensk became about 600 meters wide, and was about a kilometer. Tkachev also promised water to the Chinese. Watch the latest news on the Internet. There was a talk about electricity. So the energy of the Far Eastern hydropower plants goes to China. For the Vostochny cosmodrome, they build the Nizhne-Bureyskaya hydropower plant. Electrometallurgy projects: talked and scored. You can read the whole article to write, but the idea of ​​a hectare as well as the transfer of Chinese industry enterprises belongs entirely to Moscow officials. And why was it necessary to destroy what was profitable, create conditions for the outflow of the population, and now try to return everything to normal?
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 5 May 2016 13: 27
            +5
            .What harmful flood waters have you found?
            ---------------------------------------
            Hic! ... I found? Are you Amur in your mind? this is Krasnodar Tkachev, not the Ministry of Agriculture, he found. Found and proposed. So it will be more true: =)
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 5 May 2016 14: 20
              +5
              Quote: guzik007
              Hic! ... I found? Are you Amur in your mind? this is Krasnodar Tkachev, not the Ministry of Agriculture, he found. Found and proposed. So it will be more true: =)

              Well then, I apologize to you, Tkachev does not. N. Fedorov knew well the situation in the Far East, he often came to the Amur Region. In fact, the lands in the Far East, Mari da Marshes, the Transbaikalia are an arid steppe. The land suitable for agriculture is the Zeyko-Bureya Plain in the Amur Region and the south of Primorye. It is all occupied. , mainly under soybeans. This is vegetable gold. Almost all is exported.
        2. epsilon571
          epsilon571 5 May 2016 11: 19
          +9
          Think correctly, well, they just took it off the tongue. This is undoubtedly a giveaway towards an overpopulated neighbor, like oil and gas at dumping prices. Today these issues are supervised by Dvarkovich, and this beetle does not work for Russia. All this reminds me of playing "good and bad", where Putin is undoubtedly good and his entourage are bad. And the main thing follows from the consequences that these gentlemen wish to leave behind. In terms of economy, apart from privatization, these people never adopted a single prudent law, everything is aimed at destroying and buying everything and everyone.
        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 5 May 2016 11: 38
          +11
          Quote: guzik007
          And so, the oligarchs through the fake nahapa and chinas will deliver zemlyatse to process. Then, through all sorts of by-laws and other legal crap, they will one day become full-fledged owners of what thread of a special economic zone.

          ... a special economic zone, where the main attraction is the ruined ecology, flocks of stray dogs, half-rotten KDMs ... rotting malfunctioning equipment ... and ... what else will come to mind of a post-apocalyptic?
          Agricultural programs, as well as development such lands - oooh oooh long-term! for decades, or even more!
          Will oligarchs who live by the "current microsecond" get involved in this? I don’t remember the current Savikov Morozovs, Stroganovs, Demidovs ... not to mention Catherine, Maria Fedorovna and Elizaveta Alekseevna ...
          Here is the "Yeltsin Center" - to plant an ideological bomb under the Southern Urals, it will always be a good idea ... let's get rid of the money! ...
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 5 May 2016 11: 24
        +5
        Quote: Pereira
        Absolutely stillborn idea.
        Onaligoty slipped Putin a dummy. No matter how it is, in general, there was no sabotage, for the sake of pulling away the already crisis budget.

        Funding must go ahead! Especially in a country where ---% of the population live outside the line - yeah, beyond this one! ... There is a problem for those who want to, can and will want to master the "Far Eastern hectare"!
        The country has not yet "worked up fat" where it is needed in such matters - on the muscles! And in Russia this "fat" is more and more "inside" - in the belly of the oligarchs! strategic, say, a resource ... you just can't take it out ...
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 5 May 2016 15: 28
          -4
          CONTROL

          Why go there?

          Organize an internet page. For example, "Cooperative 1". The page can be made by yourself, all the tools are free on the Internet.
          Determine the place where it will stand. Your co-op on the ground. Invite shareholders to join the cooperative. Swap lands to make them adjacent.

          Publish a business plan. Publish a development plan to make shareholders interested.

          If you get a farm for agricultural products, then vegetable bulls or deer. Plow the land. If not, build brick asphalt plants. Develop a gravel pit.
          Install a woodworking plant.

          Under your virtual cooperative, you will be given so many loans that your grandchildren will have enough.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 5 May 2016 15: 42
            +7
            Again, no reason, you are not familiar with the realities, bitumen for an asphalt plant is a natural resource as well as gravel, and forests belong to resources, and by default they belong to the state. I repeat once again under our business plans, loans are issued only to those who are near power.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 5 May 2016 16: 50
              -1
              Nehist

              Good. Asphalt is fossil, and the processing plant.

              But you have land, can you cooperate with shareholders and get a loan under a development plan?
              How to calculate it is another question. But in any case, you got the opportunity.

              The state has allocated huge capital to you.

              Your shareholders will not even leave the house. If someone does not want to. They just invest land for the project.

              And those who need work will go to your factory to work because there will be development.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 5 May 2016 17: 05
                -2
                Public

                Listen to a very important thing.

                Capitalism as a system works for development while there is a material resource. This is the most important principle. Capitalism becomes degrading if it does not transfer to another quality only when the material resource is exhausted. Then capitalism begins to eat itself and comes to a crisis.

                Now the government has issued material resources for free. Not an edge of development. The earth-man connection is like a stable monetary unit, what kind of gold is there. Gold nervously smokes on the sidelines.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 5 May 2016 17: 28
                  -4
                  An important point.

                  Land is not for sale.

                  You can spit on everything to take and die. Then your land will randomly pass to the newborn or to the ownership of the state. But in any case, this will remain the same unit of calculation for the blessings of life.

                  It seems that this is exactly the KhPP, which is equal to the social revolution of 1917.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 5 May 2016 17: 59
                    -5
                    Well, GDP, rogue.

                    Derived national income from the influence of the IMF.

                    Well, what are the Russians. Congratulations. In 10 years you will have breakfast without exception with a sandwich with red caviar. Subject to the availability of work. It doesn’t matter which, a cleaner or a top manager.
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 5 May 2016 18: 10
                      -3
                      Congratulations to GDP. Sumptuously.

                      Neither do you need ideology. No party system. Nor the nationalization of the banking system. No input of the golden ruble. No nonsense with the administration and repression.

                      And the political and economic moment picked up how well.

                      Introduced the most reliable unit of calculation, which never destroyed the state.

                      Hectare-man-man.

                      How ingenious.
                    2. Nehist
                      Nehist 5 May 2016 18: 21
                      +4
                      How would you explain ?! Well, this system described by you will not work specifically in this country! Oddly enough, our money is not profitable for our banks.
                    3. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 5 May 2016 18: 40
                      -3
                      Nehist

                      Any system can be cut down in the bud.

                      But this time there is a chance to create a state that will work on a system of self-government and will exclude the possibility of seizing control as much as possible, as happened with the USSR.

                      The hectare-person calculation system provides unlikely opportunities for the development and stabilization of the result.

                      I can only imagine fantasizing about opportunities. What development of this system will make its creator is unpredictable.

                      But what is already visible on the surface is for example the following.

                      Guaranteed income for any newborn for the rest of his life.

                      The amount of income may vary from the participation of the organization of their land.

                      Or in another way. This index is 001%. The state with the growth of production, and it should appear, because a stable monetary unit. The state can change by say 0011%, here you have real growth without a personal contribution on your land.
                      But you do other work, which means you get income that others will create for you.

                      Everything is real. Do not think that they will be cut down in the bud. Here, the oligarchs no longer rule, but specialists. Those on the oligarchs to spit.
                    4. atalef
                      atalef 5 May 2016 19: 28
                      +7
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      But this time there is a chance to create a state that will work on a system of self-government

                      And where is the power vertical? If self-management
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The hectare-person calculation system provides unlikely opportunities for the development and stabilization of the result.

                      workday - I know, the results - too
                      a hectare man is something new.

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      I can only imagine fantasizing about opportunities. What development of this system will make its creator is unpredictable.

                      that's for sure, you can fantasize on the topic of the unpredictable as much as you like, and as a rule it is not predictable, unpredictable and unexpectedly puts you in a predictable position

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      But what is already visible on the surface is for example the following.

                      Guaranteed income for any newborn for the rest of his life

                      Buddhists win, they have the opportunity to be born again laughing
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The amount of income may vary from the participation of the organization of their land.

                      It all depends on how many skins of non-killed bears it can be covered.
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      This index is 001%. The state with the growth of production, and it should appear, because a stable monetary unit

                      What are you talking about ?
                    5. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 5 May 2016 20: 25
                      -2
                      atalef

                      At the expense of the skins of non-killed bears, you are right. To get the result you need to make an effort.
                      The vertical of power, here especially should not play a role. But this 001%, this is the conditional profit that the state should tie to the land that is involved in the enterprise. Which creates the value of this material resource by tying it to a monetary unit.

                      The land has been out of work for 5 years, it was taken away and given a chance to another. The earth is working - this coefficient of profit is working. Why is this necessary, and so that it is possible to create cooperation between owners, to create primary interest. And this is also necessary so that banks can start lending to the company.

                      Why is this promising? Because again created a material resource that can revive the economy. And this resource cannot be thrust into a preservation cube while it makes a profit.

                      On the other hand, a bank giving a loan will take on serious risk, and in fact the bank will keep an account and spend money. But his income will also be tied to the conditional index 001%.

                      In fact, this will be a constant, the cost of the resource. Around which will be the development of production.

                      Those. have property. This property is involved in the creation of profit and constitutes start-up capital for which there is a conditional percentage. It is good if this percentage sets the state unchanged.

                      Something like this.

                      I can only guess. How to give system progress. And make up on the go.

                      Why do I take it with enthusiasm?

                      Yes, because it is very similar to the reform of 1861. Because then the mechanism that gave the development of capitalism was launched.

                      Why is capitalism good? Because it creates development. Why bad, because the distribution of wealth is not fair. And there is a transfer of the resource from hundreds of pockets into one. But it remains positive until hundreds of pockets are empty. And so that this does not happen hectare-people do not sell, do not destroy while the person is alive. And only while he makes a profit.

                      This is just a constant allocation system for a new resource. As if the dollar did not inflation, profit is one.
                    6. atalef
                      atalef 5 May 2016 21: 16
                      +3
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      At the expense of the skins of non-killed bears, you are right. To get the result you need to make an effort

                      Why, you are guaranteed income
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The vertical of power, here especially should not play a role

                      Of course, after all, it’s wonderful to live with self-government
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      But this 001%, this is the conditional profit that the state should tie to the land that is involved in the enterprise

                      Ie they should take money from me and someone (it is not clear what and why to give?)
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Which creates the value of this material resource by tying it to a monetary unit.

                      what beautiful words - 001% gave you 50 rubles profit laughing and created a material resource
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      In fact, this will be a constant, the cost of the resource. Around which will be the development of production.

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Those. have property. This property is involved in the creation of profit and constitutes start-up capital for which there is a conditional percentage. It is good if this percentage sets the state unchanged.

                      What kind of nonsense?
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      I can only guess. And make up on the go

                      Noticeably
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Why do I take it with enthusiasm?

                      Well, there is an old Russian proverb - who is getting richer there?

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Why is capitalism good? Because it creates development. Why bad, because the distribution of wealth is not fair

                      Mix soft with green?

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      And so that this does not happen hectare-people do not sell, do not destroy while the person is alive. And only while he makes a profit

                      Why profit - if a person does not work?
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      This is just a constant allocation system for a new resource. As if the dollar did not inflation, profit is one.

                      Good luck, ode to man and a parachute - I heard. I hope to hear an ode - to a man-hectare laughing
                    7. Red_Hamer
                      Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 04: 26
                      +3
                      I didn’t have enough nerves and patience to answer him, thank you very much.
                    8. Constructor1
                      Constructor1 6 May 2016 05: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      Good luck, ode to man and a parachute - I heard. I hope to hear an ode - to a man-hectare

                      Neighing)) To the point !!
              2. atalef
                atalef 5 May 2016 19: 28
                +4
                Extension

                Quote: gladcu2
                The state can change by say 0011%, here you have real growth without a personal contribution on your land.

                CEP is wonderful, what are the prospects, and if it changes (though it’s not clear what) by 0015%, then the whole country can calmly take off and go on vacation to the Canary Islands for a year.
                Quote: gladcu2
                there you are and real growth without personal contribution on your land

                The Nobel Prize in economics is yours, and tomorrow.

                Quote: gladcu2
                But you do other work, which means you get income that others will create for you

                If everyone receives income created by others, who makes income for others? wink
                Quote: gladcu2
                Everything is real

                How to double GDP by 2020
                Quote: gladcu2
                here it’s not the oligarchs who rule, but the experts. Those on the oligarchs to spit.

                Well, you yourself refer to the specialists, of course soldier
              3. gladcu2
                gladcu2 5 May 2016 20: 47
                0
                atalef

                But this conditional income will not be large, and it cannot initially be large. This condition. Just a point of reference. So that you can calculate the risks, create cooperation of owners, create a business plan and get a loan.

                But he can give an extra couple of hundred bucks a year to a person who owns a land who staked the land on the Internet, found a business plan, and he was taken into share.

                Earth is, man is. The person performed the action, chose a development project and takes an advisory role.

                The land attachment to this conditional coefficient creates a fair redistribution of income.
              4. atalef
                atalef 5 May 2016 21: 00
                0
                Quote: gladcu2
                But this conditional income will not be large

                Contingent revenue, another pearl fellow So is it income or not income?
                Quote: gladcu2
                it cannot initially be large. This condition.

                Big or small is the concept of grandmothers on a bench. Specifically - how much.
                Quote: gladcu2
                Just a point of reference. So that you can calculate the risks, create cooperation between owners, create a business plan and get a loan

                So the situation is simple.
                You have a piece of land, as much as 100 per 100m, you are guaranteed CONDITIONAL income belay laughing (from what the hell, by whom and why?) Well, okay, and therefore due to this conditional laughing minimum income You have to create all this and collect 300-400 people at least in your cooperative, in order to get at least something real.
                Quote: gladcu2
                create a business plan and get a loan.

                for 400 people and without a pledge of land - thy deeds are wonderful your deeds
                Quote: gladcu2
                Earth is, man is. The person performed the action, chose a development project and takes an advisory role.

                advisory laughing
                And who will work?
              5. gladcu2
                gladcu2 6 May 2016 00: 04
                0
                atalef

                OK.

                I calculated the conditional coefficient which the investor can take from his ha. it turned out .0006% of all profits involved in the cooperative enterprise.
                But the number of hectares should be 20. Twenty thousand people. But the number of first investors can vary depending on the efficiency of the enterprise. The higher the efficiency, the lower you can attract investors. Ten enterprises can be built on 000 sq km (conditionally) and multiplying the profit by a coefficient of .200% this will be the rent payment.


                Counting method. Included was an average salary of $ 30. The income from processing a shovel of 000 g of land per year, conditionally 1 dollars per year. Built brick factory on 100 hectares of land and 5 service people. The conditional value of the plant is 5 dollars. Profit per year 500.

                This coefficient is .0006%. If you reduce it, it will create surplus value, which will allow you to pay the debt for a bank loan and borrow for development.

                In order to exclude all speculations intuitively, it needs to be fixed on well, let .0003%.
              6. gladcu2
                gladcu2 6 May 2016 00: 24
                0
                No mathematical tricks. The usual proportions and the rule of the cross.
              7. Constructor1
                Constructor1 6 May 2016 05: 20
                +3
                Quote: gladcu2
                Ten enterprises can be built on 200 sq km

                Hello man! Do not confuse Yamalo with the south! On one heating you will lose, I’m not even talking about electricity.
              8. Red_Hamer
                Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 05: 42
                -1
                Yes, and the south of the Far East, a relative concept.
              9. gladcu2
                gladcu2 6 May 2016 12: 46
                +1
                Designer

                All this is particular. We do not consider the issue in private details. To the question, the approach is general intuitive. To determine how much this distribution of land can create a material resource, that would start development.

                The state has allocated a resource, your task is to assess the opportunity to use.
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 5 May 2016 21: 11
        +1
        atalef

        You argue. Look for a catch.

        Are I experts or not? Yes, how is the difference. If there is logic. However, everyone can be wrong. And by correcting the error, you can achieve the result.
  • PHANTOM-AS
    PHANTOM-AS 5 May 2016 23: 55
    +2
    Quote: Nehist
    I repeat once again under our business plans, loans are issued only to those who are near power.

    I note two circumstances:
    - loans in this case may not be repayable (they can)
    - last year, before the raccoon's "jump", multi-dollar loans were issued, for which the raccoons bought up, or even simply opened the sovereign's money box and handed out to bankers and oligarchs to "support the pants."
  • atalef
    atalef 5 May 2016 20: 10
    +2
    Quote: gladcu2
    Invite shareholders to join the cooperative. Swap lands to make them adjacent.

    laughing
    Quote: gladcu2
    Publish a business plan. Publish a development plan to make shareholders interested.

    If you get a farm for agricultural products, then vegetable bulls or deer. Plow the land. If not, build brick asphalt plants. Develop a gravel pit.
    Install a woodworking plant.

    And all this on a hectare of 100X100 m laughing good
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 5 May 2016 20: 52
      0
      atalef

      One hectare of a person will not feed. But the cooperation of hectares makes it possible to give additional income, provided that the land or enterprise will begin to produce on them.
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 5 May 2016 21: 30
        +3
        Quote: gladcu2
        One hectare of a person will not feed. But the cooperation of hectares makes it possible to give additional income, provided that the land or the enterprise begins to produce on them



        Not in our case and not with the current government
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 5 May 2016 17: 40
    0
    for the sake of taking away the already crisis budget.
    and not only budget
  • Corsair
    Corsair 5 May 2016 09: 29
    +26
    Quote: Finches
    With all the ensuing difficulties of development, and even taking into account the Russian gouging, local bureaucratic tricks, I think this is absolutely the right step for the development of the Far East! It’s hard, some time will pass, but I think this GDP initiative will work!

    Until officials start shooting or punishing really, and not by removing them from one feeder and access to another, there will be no movement.
    I will tell you how things will happen.
    1. Now another billion will be allocated for this business.
    2.From Moscow will come half a billion, then count in descending order
    3. From the governor will be discharged for the program 100 million,
    4. In the districts they will prepare an action plan to hold dozens of meetings, organize the appearance of work - such as measurements, sharing, counting, re-issuing, shifting pieces of paper etc.
    5. The performers will reach tens of millions, and even those will be companies of relatives of officials.
    6. Dozens, two or three will still be given this land, and in some opera, but they will definitely show it on TV, they will shoot a couple of three documentaries.
    7. The money has been spent, the people are not going for something, the conclusion is that something else needs to be invented and money.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 5 May 2016 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: Corsair

      Until officials start shooting or punishing really, and not by removing them from one feeder and access to another, there will be no movement.
      I will tell you how things will happen.
      1. Now another billion will be allocated for this business.
      2.From Moscow will come half a billion, then count in descending order
      3. From the governor will be discharged for the program 100 million,
      4. In the districts they will prepare an action plan to hold dozens of meetings, organize the appearance of work - such as measurements, sharing, counting, re-issuing, shifting pieces of paper etc.
      5. The performers will reach tens of millions, and even those will be companies of relatives of officials.
      6. Dozens, two or three will still be given this land, and in some opera, but they will definitely show it on TV, they will shoot a couple of three documentaries.
      7. The money has been spent, the people are not going for something, the conclusion is that something else needs to be invented and money.


      !!! ))))))))) And so it really is
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  • Bongo
    Bongo 5 May 2016 10: 13
    +9
    Quote: Finches
    With all the ensuing difficulties of development, and even taking into account Russian gouging, local bureaucratic tricks, this, I think, is absolutely the right step for the development of the Far East!

    The right step would be to leave the money earned in the Far East for the development of the region, as well as to enable local enterprises to purchase electricity at the price that is supplied to China. Regarding the consolidation of the Russian-speaking population, the right step would be to at least temporarily free people from numerous taxes and fees, as well as equalize tariffs with the European part of the country.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 5 May 2016 11: 41
      +7
      Quote: Bongo
      The right step would be to leave the money earned in the Far East for the development of the region, as well as to enable local enterprises to purchase electricity at the price that is supplied to China. Regarding the consolidation of the Russian-speaking population, the right step would be to at least temporarily free people from numerous taxes and fees, as well as equalize tariffs with the European part of the country.

      Sergei! Hi! We are understood by those who live in these parts. I would have needed the Far East for the Russian Federation, would not have created the conditions for people to leave these territories. I completely agree with you. I have posted the rest in other comments.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 11: 45
      +7
      Quote: Bongo
      as well as enable local enterprises to purchase electricity at the price that is supplied to China.

      Yeah dream laughing Can you still in school canteens make prices, as in the State Duma wink
      Hi Sergey.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 5 May 2016 11: 56
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Yeah, I dreamed laughing. Maybe you should make prices in school canteens, just like in the State Duma

        Aha! Not only prices, as in the State Duma, but also salaries and pensions as those of the State Duma deputies. Romanov! Don’t be offended, this is a joke and dreams of Manilov.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 5 May 2016 13: 40
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, dreaming. Maybe you should make prices in school canteens, as in the State Duma
        Hi Sergey.

        Hi Sasha!
        And that would not be bad!
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 11: 49
      +4
      Quote: Bongo
      The right step would be to leave the money earned in the Far East for the development of the region, as well as to enable local enterprises to purchase electricity at the price that is supplied to China. Regarding the consolidation of the Russian-speaking population, the right step would be to at least temporarily free people from numerous taxes and fees, as well as equalize tariffs with the European part of the country.

      Yeah, how so!
      To give them their own money - to knock a chair out from under me, an official-minister! and - well .... on the floor! No, you don't want to ... Yes, and pulling regions "in vest pockets" - the destruction of the empire, by and large! We have not been collecting this empire for centuries - but will we squander it? Pro.s-r.y-m, how is Ukraine?
    4. Amurets
      Amurets 6 May 2016 01: 03
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      the right step would be to leave the money earned in the Far East for the development of the region, as well as to enable local enterprises to purchase electricity at the price that is supplied to China.

      Sergey! Hello! Energy at that price in China? And what will RAO ​​receive? Almost all the electricity of the Amur hydropower plants goes to the PRC. I mean the hydropower plants of the Amur region. Thank God, we haven't built the hydropower plants on the Amur, but planned the Khingan hydropower plant. In order not to look unfounded, here's a link for you .http: //debri-dv.com/article/13671/kitayskaya_kompaniya_predlozhila_
      minvos
      tokrazvitiya_postroit_ges_na_amure
      By the way, the first time about this hydroelectric power station was mentioned in 1956 by the Lenhydroproject.
  • Cro-Magnon
    Cro-Magnon 5 May 2016 11: 49
    +10
    This program is a fiction and profanation of the government and the president! The goal is about 5 years later, when it FULLY AND WITH MISSING FAILURE, to declare ... that the citizens of Russia are not interested in the development and development of the Far East, that our people are lazy and passive ... and therefore we will transfer these lands for use or forever for money our hardworking, active and passionate neighbor - China! There is no other purpose in this crazy law and is not visible under a microscope!
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 5 May 2016 21: 22
      0
      Cro-morgan

      You may be right. The program may be a failure. There are many factors of influence.

      Just imagine that it would take a long time to start capitalism in Russia and the liberation of the peasants in 1861. And it still lasted a very long time. And failure in the form of the fall of the monarchy.

      And the restoration of capitalism in the USSR through again the transfer of land to Lenin peasants. NEP remember?

      Then the state monopolized the means of production and property obtained as a result of the NEP. The transition of capitalism to the stage of monopoly, called the people's state, which in fact was.

      The catalyst for events is all one, it is the transfer of land in one form or another to production.
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 5 May 2016 12: 42
    +4
    It’s as if you don’t understand who will choose the most golden hectares among these Far Eastern ones: first of all, local officials and related businesses. You understand a hectare of taiga and a hectare nearby, for example, with the port infrastructure, these are two big differences. An ordinary person has no opportunity to evaluate the attractiveness of the land in absentia. They will be just puppets in the hands of knowledgeable people, a hectare will be formed on them with the subsequent transfer of land to the "right" hands.
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 5 May 2016 14: 09
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    With all the ensuing difficulties of development, and even taking into account Russian gouging, local bureaucratic tricks, this, I think, is absolutely the right step for the development of the Far East!

    A ticket in a compartment car from Moscow to the Far East builds about the same as 1 ha of agricultural land in the Kaluga or Ryazan region.
    Only go to the Far East because of 1 hectare of land. Only he can sign the law “on the Far Eastern hectare”.
  • stas
    stas 5 May 2016 17: 52
    +5
    Happily rolled over. There is nothing to say, except for a rough mat.
    It remains only to rejoice that they are not forcibly resettled.
    How many more idiots are in power who rule Russia.

    Should all Muscovites be resettled there on 1 ha, let them rejoice?
  • 222222
    222222 6 May 2016 08: 44
    0
    Zyablitsev (3) RU Yesterday, 06:17 ↑, "I think this is absolutely the right step for the development of the Far East!"
    .... easily checked .. How does the capital of BAMA TYNDA live there ???? ..... ..... (Tynda is a city (the village of Tyndinsky since 1917, the status of the city since November 1975) in the Amur Region of Russia, the administrative center of the Tyndinsky District ( it is not part of the district), the city of Tynda forms the urban district. "The capital of BAM"))) ...
  • Login_Off
    Login_Off 5 May 2016 06: 24
    0
    If you paint the land on the inhabitants of the Russian Federation (to give ownership), less will go to China. As for the use for 5 years, we can say that this is my hunting year, put salt flats and say I feed Kabanov here :)
    Now at the expense of 1 hectare. So who forbids to gather relatives and get for example 10 hectares. Well, I think the government will not refuse to purchase additional neighboring hectares of land.
    In general, a completely viable and interesting project.
    However, a LOT OF LAND will go under deforestation which can then be abandoned! Here I do not know how the government defended itself from this.
    1. Bath
      Bath 5 May 2016 08: 58
      +15
      Do you really think that the people there will rush for a freebie to take a compatriot? For example, I can drive the current as an exile, I think this is far from my only opinion
    2. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 6 May 2016 05: 55
      0
      And to the hairy-toed appraisers of your use of these hectares, after 5 years, how much are you ready to pay? Or do you doubt that this newly formed "bureaucratic body" will grow back?
  • atalef
    atalef 5 May 2016 06: 33
    +29
    Quote: ImPerts
    A hectare is really small. And the infrastructure must be built. We'll have to finish the optimization of educational institutions, medical organizations. Let go of the reins in matters of management, give more independence to visitors. To lend at a reduced rate, to force businessmen not to tear seven skins for building materials, products, fuels and lubricants ... A lot of questions will need to be resolved. But it will be difficult to shift the inert mass of the bureaucracy, which is famous for coastal bureaucracy. But the business is necessary and laudable.

    Stupidity, of course, what is a hectare? Only for building a house - it’s bureaucrats in a convenient place to write their own, and far from infrastructure - you won’t build it yourself, for business agriculture is generally ridiculous - in general - they wanted the best - it turned out as always
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 07: 26
      +4
      Quote: atalef
      - so these are bureaucrats in a convenient place under their

      Sanya, what will be fraud is 100%.
      Quote: atalef
      far from infrastructure - you won’t build yourself

      Then the officials will have to fuss, well, firstly, nobody will take the land far from the infrastructure. Therefore, they will have to think differently after tearing the sweet things out, the program will fail. And the big officials in Moscow, who do not need the land in FIGs, will have questions for the small officials here with us.
      Quote: atalef
      , for business, agriculture is generally funny

      If for each member of the family per hectare, then this is already not bad.
      Quote: atalef
      in general - they wanted the best - it turned out as always

      It’s early to say, while no one really knows anything, but a hectare is better than nothing. The question is where to get it and to hell with it.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 May 2016 07: 37
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Then the officials will have to fuss, well, firstly, nobody will take the land far from the infrastructure. Therefore, they will have to think differently after tearing the sweet things out, the program will fail

        What, the first program that failed? They got theirs, and then wass --- people are lazy, they don’t want anything, in general --- they are happy with him on a plate, and he’s turning the snout
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And the big officials in Moscow, who do not need the land in FIGs, will have questions for the small officials here with us.

        Well, appear, and then change to whom?
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If for each member of the family per hectare, then this is already not bad.

        Ate each member? Well, for an average family - 2.7 hectares.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It's too early to say, while no one really knows anything, but a hectare is better than nothing

        Well, on the basis of such logic - in a reasonable farm, and a gonorrhea fit.
        (by the way, is there nothing said about taxes?) wink , well, when the land will be owned.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . The question is where to get it and to hell with it.

        With the first two (questions) - somehow the others are no longer needed.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 08: 00
          +2
          Quote: atalef

          What, the first program that failed?

          Of course not, but the official is trembling for his place and no one wants to be guilty of disrupting the program. And whoever wanted it for a long time was grabbed.
          Quote: atalef

          Well, appear, and then change to whom?

          A holy place is never empty wink
          Quote: atalef
          Well, for an average family - 2.7 hectares.

          2.7 ??? Well, two wife and husband = 2 hectares, and 0.7 hectares is a bubble in his pocket laughing
          Quote: atalef
          in a reasonable economy and a gonorrhea fit.

          Well, the gonorrhea is not a gonorrhea, the same mold was once nonsense, but in the end it turned out a cure for it.
          Quote: atalef
          By the way about taxes there is nothing said?

          Raise on a holy hand?
          Quote: atalef
          With the first two (questions) - somehow the others are no longer needed.

          We'll see. Actually, there is a lot of noise, while no one knows or understands anything. Well, this is always the case in Russia. I’m reading komenty, there are a lot of tantrums, but I give you 100%, that most of them are not with the Far East, and those who do not need this land from the Far East. But there is a reason to shout, and this is the most important thing.
      2. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 5 May 2016 08: 56
        +5
        Something reminded of this voucherization ... In theory, the law is correct, in fact it is completely muddy. What to do with a hectare of taiga, tundra, etc. The President said that "empty" plots will not be issued. But there is no infrastructure in the slightest degree, gasified areas are These are the territories of settlements. And try to equip the site without anything in the same five years.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 5 May 2016 08: 22
      +5
      Quote: atalef

      Stupidity, of course, what is a hectare? Only for building a house - it’s bureaucrats in a convenient place to write their own, and far from infrastructure - you won’t build it yourself, for business agriculture is generally ridiculous - in general - they wanted the best - it turned out as always

      Support!
      Just because a person breaks down he throws a hatched nest, he can work and go to the line where, across the country to a bear's corner - only for this he needs to give 10 Ha for life, plus financial and material assistance to get on his feet. And at will give 50 and 100 and 300 Ha for the development of their economy
      1. Penzuck
        Penzuck 5 May 2016 09: 33
        -11%
        Quote: sherp2015
        Support!
        Just because a person breaks down he throws a hatched nest, he can work and go to the line where, across the country to a bear's corner - only for this he needs to give 10 Ha for life, plus financial and material assistance to get on his feet. And at will give 50 and 100 and 300 Ha for the development of their economy

        "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers" (C) laughing
        "It will not be enough, not enough!" (C) At least cope with a hectare? bully
        "Maybe you still have the key to the apartment where the money is? (C) You can't give you a couple of milliards for 500 hectares. Starting from capital construction, land reclamation and other unnecessary things? wassat
      2. sodick
        sodick 5 May 2016 10: 22
        +2
        Technique still need to help
    3. Knowing
      Knowing 5 May 2016 08: 36
      +5
      Put a minus + Ы because you chat too. And the Chinese, Koreans will begin to engage in farming, in the form of watermelons and related but not wheat-based farming. repeat
    4. Penzuck
      Penzuck 5 May 2016 09: 26
      -4
      Quote: atalef
      Stupidity, of course, what is a hectare?

      Do you have a hectare of land in Israel? bully - Well tady nech in our garden to poke his stone.
      Quote: atalef
      Only for building a house - so these are bureaucrats in a convenient place under their rakspisit

      How many "bureaucrats" are there in Mother Russia? - Yes, if you connect their relatives, then 10 people will hide in Siberia! And how much land! fellow
      https://xn--80aaggvgieoeoa2bo7l.xn--p1ai/business-plan
      -That can be done ...
      Quote: atalef
      like the best - it turned out as always

      Wait and see... wink
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 May 2016 09: 36
      +2
      Only for the construction of mini-factories, and for farming, the territory is not attractive - perhaps only in greenhouse conditions.
    6. Scoun
      Scoun 5 May 2016 11: 00
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      Stupidity, of course, what is a hectare? Only for building a house - so these are bureaucrats in a convenient place under their rakspisit,

      Well, it turns out that the dream of many will come true))) bureaucrats will be sent to explore the Far East voluntarily forcibly)))
    7. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 5 May 2016 17: 59
      +1
      so it’s bureaucrats in a convenient place for their rakspisut, and far from infrastructure - you won’t build it yourself, for business agriculture is generally ridiculous
      BOOOT, this is it! But a beautiful picture will still be shown on television, and in many ways! From a "successful" business executive, a rabbit breeder and a beekeeper, to a "romantic city dweller" who is mastering tourism in the Valley of Geysers and feeding mosquitoes with other nasty things in the taiga. And under their own, all the dainty, bureaucrats have already painted in advance.
  • atalef
    atalef 5 May 2016 07: 31
    +18
    Quote: ImPerts
    Hectare is really small

    Yes, and 20 are few and 50.
    When developing land in the wild west in the States - that’s how many sites staked out - both yours and as private property.
    Maybe that's why they are mastered.
    And here is a hectare laughing , your mother, what do they measure by the standards of Moscow and think a happy people will explode?
    1. Penzuck
      Penzuck 5 May 2016 09: 40
      -1
      Quote: atalef
      in the wild west in the states

      The methods of extensive farming were used, and only then Ovsinsky's methods began to be applied and the combine was invented. And before that, they worked as their black friends in the South. And besides, cattle breeding, Ser. That's the whole "secret". And in our era Motoblock and 3 hectares And you are a Farmer. drinks
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 5 May 2016 18: 56
      0
      atalef

      Heh. Learn history and draw conclusions.

      State land is subject to sale and resale. And this is a means of accumulating capital. This means that the capitalist bought this land and left it for himself. He does not share the resource. No development, crisis.

      Land that can not be rewritten in another name has a great chance to get development, if only because they will take a loan under it and it will start to give real profit. But this unit of credit will be tied to the constant profit conditionally established by the state.
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 May 2016 19: 15
        +5
        Quote: gladcu2
        State land is subject to sale and resale. And this is a means of accumulating capital. This means that the capitalist bought this land and left it for himself.

        Well, suppose, of course, if you do not take into account my relatives who bought houses and live on their land.

        Quote: gladcu2
        He does not share the resource. No development, crisis

        Therefore, America buys agricultural products abroad, mk - all the land under the capitalists, but they do not share it
        Quote: gladcu2
        Land that cannot be rewritten to another name has a great chance to get development, if only because they will take a loan under it and it will start to give real profit.

        The land that is not in your property, for it to take a loan? belay
        This is how to take out a loan and mortgage a neighbor’s apartment? laughing
        Quote: gladcu2
        he will start to give real profit

        Well, as in Russia - solid profit
        Quote: gladcu2
        But this unit of credit will be tied to the constant profit conditionally established by the state.

        fixed profit conditionally laughing established by state belay
        My brain is exactly going to melt, or rather its remains.
        Is that all?
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 5 May 2016 08: 35
    +4
    Gee gee! If, according to our laws, the state is an equal subject of civil legal relations on a par with citizens, then why should it automatically become the owner of minerals on a site owned by a citizen? Or does the liberal principle of inviolability of private property apply to those whom the state deigns to? So what are we building, capitalism or feudalism?
    There was a constitutional substitution of concepts. The subsoil did not become popular, but state, but the state ceased to be popular from the standpoint of attitude to ownership of the means of production.
  • Penzuck
    Penzuck 5 May 2016 09: 05
    +3
    https://xn--80aaggvgieoeoa2bo7l.xn--p1ai/npa/view?id=8 (надальнийвосток.рф)
    The area of ​​land provided for free use on the basis of application filed by several citizens calculated on the basis of a calculation of not more than one hectare for every citizen.

    Tithing ~ hectare. Was allocated in RI, for one man. And now the "citizen" must provide (simplified)
    A. Statement
    B. SNILS
    Q. A copy of the identity document (Passport), And "kada" do we issue a passport?
    "Pralna" - at the age of 14 ...
    G. PLAN according to law. (Read it yourself)
  • ivant74ru
    ivant74ru 5 May 2016 09: 32
    +2
    Is it possible to take a hectare for each member of the family? 2-3 hectares are better than 1.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 11: 40
      +1
      Quote: ivant74ru
      Is it possible to take a hectare for each member of the family? 2-3 hectares are better than 1.

      In fact, for everyone there is.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 5 May 2016 09: 40
    +2
    Every visitor, along with a hectare, must give this out to his own oil shaker, so that there is self-sufficiency in energy resources - for business there is a very expensive thing.
    1. INTER
      INTER 5 May 2016 10: 10
      +4
      Currently, it is better to take 10 hectares per million in the Lipetsk, Vladimir, Voronezh regions than to go to the ends of the world, where the neighbors are bears. And at the same time, the cost of arranging there will be much higher.
      Another thing, if it were said, the state creates settlements where there will be gas, electricity, water, roads, a loan of 5 million for 10 years, then yes!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 May 2016 17: 14
        +2
        In order to deal with the Far East, it is necessary to build a high-speed railway and hundreds of thousands of kilometers of roads and autobahns, establish normal flights, and even now - 200 kilometers to fly costs 30000 rubles - for a 40 year old airplane, without a toilet and other amenities.
    2. Dembel77
      Dembel77 5 May 2016 10: 52
      +3
      Nonsense. What to do on a hectare (one hundred acres = 10000 sq.m.), to look at the moon? A hectare will not feed a family unequivocally. The article mentions the Stolypin reform, but the author "forgot" to point out that
      The immigrants received land for free and to property, rather than for use — 50 acres per family.
      50 tithes per family !!! For reference: "50 acres (state) Old Russian is equal to 546 269.580 square meters." And this is in tsarist times, and now - a hectare. Are we 54 and a half times poorer? Or is it still not the cost of land, but the lack of political will of our leadership — well, like the Far East needs to be mastered, but only again due to the heroism of the working people? Young people are lured by a free hectare of land, but do not think what they will do there and what will be the percentage of those who return back? So - nonsense.
  • 222222
    222222 5 May 2016 13: 11
    +1
    Cedar cones to collect? laughing in late autumn.
    ... but seriously .... we need industrial complexes ... with social infrastructure .. and work for those who have moved ..
    Well, they moved to Siberia under Stolypin, and so what? .
  • bastard
    bastard 5 May 2016 19: 06
    +6
    Quote: ImPerts
    A hectare is really small. And the infrastructure must be built.

    Quote: Finches
    With all the ensuing difficulties of development, and even taking into account Russian gouging, local bureaucratic tricks, this, I think, is absolutely the right step for the development of the Far East!

    A hectare is about nothing, 100x100 meters. The Kremlin gop-menagers have a crisis of creativity, they want to pay off a hectare from the people (in their understanding of the electorate). To hell with dog canine, especially to the north of Yakutia and the Magadan region, the entire Kremlin lads, endow each with a whole gehtar of virgin permafrost, hand in hand a pneumatic saw and hydraulic hoe with manual drive and let them cultivate the allotment. Let's see if they can harvest two dill crops per year or not. And then, they say, entoy people are the most talented and clever in the world. I want to see that not only in language, but also in little hands. What not loot can be raked by trembling trembling shocks from greed, but they can also work productively, although this is forbidden to them by their religion (to command the type).
    Do not know how to manage the country? Blow to market radish trading.
    By the way: Solntseobodny somehow cried on TV, they say, there is neither the strength nor the means to master the Far East and Siberia, well, so let us put the whales there, they will build everything for us, let’s hand over the homeland for concession (the KGB, your mother!).
    And what was thought under the "cannibal and man-hater" comrade. JV Stalin?
    The answer is:
    We have no barriers, neither in the sea nor on land,
    We are not afraid, neither ice, nor clouds.
    The flame of his soul, the banner of his country
    We will carry through the worlds and centuries!


    Familiar song? Is there a difference in thinking? That's it! hi
  • valerei
    valerei 5 May 2016 22: 32
    +3
    This is all nonsense. We wanted the best, but it will turn out as always. Nobody has canceled the Chernomyrdin law for Russia yet. Why wastefully scratch languages ​​on the site! Take and try on this "gift" for yourself and everything will fall into place right away. There is so much land in Russia that it will swallow the whole of Europe and will not choke, even without the Far East. Officials and "oligarchs" - thieves grabbed land in reserve wherever it turned out, do not use it, but take it away and give it away for free to those who will work on it - so at once the language is in all the Duma members. For 25 years of "perestroika", all presidents and all Duma members are procrastinating on this issue and silence. For their own citizens, the remnants who have not yet scattered from the land to the cities and drunk themselves into the villages, government assistance is crumbs, a mockery of the economy and common sense. And, here, some Chinese will come, so everything will be for them without delay. For example, to a Frenchman, an actor who is sniffed - that's how it is: Russian citizenship and apartments, and a native Russian from abroad to move, so the years go by. So it will be with the land.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 6 May 2016 07: 46
    0
    The business is necessary, but, as always, it is decided by the "menagers". This is undeveloped land, roughly speaking, a dense dupa, instead of saying, after five years we give it into ownership free of charge, again games with rent, etc.
    For the settlement of these lands, actually there is not enough land, you need to allocate people (with mandatory control of transactions) lifting, otherwise, I doubt that a crowd of compatriots will explode there.
    Or give it to those who, due to circumstances, remained in the former Soviet republics and have no other opportunity to return to Russia.
    Interestingly, there is at least one thing that current officials will not turn into a farce?
  • Awaz
    Awaz 5 May 2016 05: 52
    +8
    that the idea is more than utopian. In the Kirov region, they also allocate land for free, and you can dial up to 60 hectares, but you can’t see something. And even a very large number of those who wish will be simply stupidly beaten off by local officials, various tricks and set-ups.
    1. Ilya77
      Ilya77 5 May 2016 07: 45
      +1
      Quote: AwaZ
      that the idea is more than utopian. In the Kirov region, they also allocate land for free, and you can dial up to 60 hectares, but you can’t see something. And even a very large number of those who wish will be simply stupidly beaten off by local officials, various tricks and set-ups.


      Here we only give out large families, who have 3 children, and a maximum of 30 acres.
      1. Awaz
        Awaz 5 May 2016 10: 47
        0
        you think I'm lying. Just many do not know. Here is a link to the words of the Chairman of the Legislative Assembly of the Kirov Region Ivonin http://www.kirov.kp.ru/daily/26518.7/3534368/
        By the way, in the Kirov region, you can "take" 300 for free, like cubes of standing timber. You can take it, but it is almost impossible to take it))))
  • Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 5 May 2016 05: 54
    -2
    It seems to me that the time has not come yet. There are no sufficient economic and social prerequisites for the desire of the people to develop the lands of the natives. Well, so, if anything, it is necessary to send the Cossacks, they instantly raise the economy and demography of the region.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 May 2016 06: 06
      +1
      Quote: Mangel Olys
      Well, so, if anything, it is necessary to send the Cossacks, they instantly raise the economy and demography of the region.

      How are you going to "send" them? And whether they want it. The Cossack is no longer the same, and he is not used to being "sent". hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 May 2016 07: 14
        +3
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: Mangel Olys
        Well, so, if anything, it is necessary to send the Cossacks, they instantly raise the economy and demography of the region.

        How are you going to "send" them? And whether they want it. The Cossack is no longer the same, and he is not used to being "sent". hi

        Not well, if you send a business some sort of cover, why not?
        Hello Alexander
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 5 May 2016 12: 05
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Not well, if you send a business some sort of cover, why not?

          Hi Sasha! That's for sure! wink
    2. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 07: 12
      +6
      Quote: Mangel Alys
      . Well, so, if anything, it is necessary to send the Cossacks, they instantly raise the economy and demography of the region.

      Cossacks - a new anecdote - I saw them here in the center of St. Petersburg - around the shopping center with lashes go (though all are burdened with medals) --- hoists laughing fucking
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 07: 31
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        (though at the same time everyone is weighed down by medals

        You shouldn’t be so in vain, you should have milked and asked where such can be taken. Would return to Israel - all breasts in the Ardennes wassat There are medals "Happy Birthday", Happy New Year, From February 23rd, March 8th, November 7th and other crap
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 May 2016 07: 39
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: atalef
          (though at the same time everyone is weighed down by medals

          You shouldn’t be so in vain, you should have milked and asked where such can be taken. Would return to Israel - all breasts in the Ardennes wassat There are medals "Happy Birthday", Happy New Year, From February 23rd, March 8th, November 7th and other crap

          Yes, they looked formidable, mustache, red puffed up with the importance of physiognomy, medals tinkle.
          True, both were sprouts, I would say not big.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 08: 02
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Yes, they looked terrible, mustache

            You’ll grow nothing. Atalef with a mustache, Svetlana will be in shock, but then she will get used to it.
            Quote: atalef
            red pouting from the importance of physiognomy

            The recipe is 200 grams of cold vodka every day and in three months you will have the same.
            Quote: atalef
            True, both were sprouts, I would say not big.

            Napoleon also did not stand out by growth laughing
            1. Achilles
              Achilles 5 May 2016 14: 54
              -6
              The recipe is 200 grams of cold vodka every day and in three months you will have the same.


              There is no need to stir up water for Cossacks, Cossacks are fearless people and will not spare their heads for our homeland, and they have a patriotic upbringing, they inculcate love in their homeland from childhood and whoever speaks with a bad word to the Cossacks, either understands nothing about the Cossacks or is he rotten in life
          2. sherp2015
            sherp2015 5 May 2016 08: 31
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            red inflated from the importance of physiognomy


            Already in the morning drink))?

            Quote: atalef
            True, both were sprouts, I would say not big.

            Well, these are probably your blood))
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 08: 58
              0
              Quote: sherp2015
              Well, these are probably your blood))

              Atalef is almost 190 centimeters from the floor. You will see in life, you offend by the side, I guarantee.
              1. sherp2015
                sherp2015 5 May 2016 11: 02
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Atalef is almost 190 centimeters from the floor. You will see in life, you offend by the side, I guarantee.

                You are used to apparently circumventing)) I'm generally higher than 190)))
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 11: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: sherp2015
                  I'm generally higher than 190)))

                  Oh well, lay out your photo. I want to be scared
                  1. sherp2015
                    sherp2015 5 May 2016 18: 24
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Oh well, lay out your photo. I want to be scared


                    The key to the apartment too? Lip will not come off?
              2. Achilles
                Achilles 5 May 2016 14: 43
                -1
                Atalef is almost 190 centimeters from the floor. You will see in life, you offend by the side, I guarantee.


                So what? So now you need to be afraid of him and bypass? Growth doesn’t mean anything yet, especially in street fights, let him bypass it
                1. atalef
                  atalef 5 May 2016 18: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Achilles
                  Atalef is almost 190 centimeters from the floor. You will see in life, you offend by the side, I guarantee.


                  So what? So now you need to be afraid of him and bypass? Growth doesn’t mean anything yet, especially in street fights, let him bypass it

                  Said hero Achilles hi wink
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 5 May 2016 08: 53
        +10
        Quote: atalef
        Cossacks - a new anecdote - I saw them here in the center of St. Petersburg - around the shopping center with lashes go (though all are burdened with medals)

        Zdarova, both two hi
        rhyme in the theme, Laxandra -
        Cossack walked off into the distance.
        On the chest was a medal:
        "For courage", "For the victory",
        "For a pleasant chat,"
        "For the scientific works"
        "For the protection of the whole environment",
        two astronaut medals,
        Warcraft player order,
        putting the TRP symbol,
        "Passage THAT",
        Pregnancy Club "Crane",
        Wardrobe DK "Hydraulics",
        "Altavista dot com",
        "Society of fungus patients",
        The captain of the game "Zarnitsa"
        "Gomel mental hospital",
        snuffbox, and flint,
        eight caps from beer,
        "Gypsy Dance Festival"
        "Crane operator, work in a helmet!"
        "Beware of the bike,"
        "Thirty-eight Years of Victory"
        Order of the RSFSR,
        secret order "Templar"
        gum liner "Lyolik-Bolik"
        "Anonymous alcoholic",
        "Club of wine connoisseurs",
        Symbol of shit punk,
        SUSE-Linux, Business Tim,
        In “РўС‹ РЅРґР ° - ”РІРѕСЂРѕРґ РїРѕР ± СЂР ° тим”
        "The most experienced driver"
        "The best boar-maker",
        sign "Honorary diver",
        sticker "Putin-"
        Oktyabryatskaya star,
        "The heroine mother of labor"
        blood type, and Ay-Pi,
        and the pacific on the chain.
        Suddenly a Cossack slipped ...
        And medals - herak!
        And now medals are all
        rolled on the highway.
        Kids! Uncles, aunts!
        If you find anywhere:
        Order of Glory, Order of Peace,
        a button with the coat of arms of Algeria,
        bauble, can opener,
        malachite brooch,
        Red Cross, Peter's Cross
        "City of Prague", "City of Brest",
        "Regimental Nurse",
        "Childhood is a wonderful time,"
        Esperanto, CSKA,
        Forester’s personal number
        cufflinks to military uniform
        "The best turner", "Exhaust is normal",
        "Lose weight in five minutes"
        Youth club "Sohnud",
        "KGB", "Honorary Donor",
        “Elena Bonner Private Foundation”,
        "Chechen Fashion Festival",
        ticker fidoshnoj nody -
        even a medal, even a badge
        Share with the Cossack!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 09: 00
          -1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67

          Hi Kolya hi And you with past and upcoming drinks Tomorrow still hockey begins smile
    3. sherp2015
      sherp2015 5 May 2016 08: 28
      +3
      Quote: Mangel Olys
      Well, so, if anything, it is necessary to send the Cossacks, they instantly raise the economy and demography of the region.

      The real Cossacks were exterminated according to Sverdlov's Directive "On the total destruction of the Cossacks" together with women and children
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 5 May 2016 13: 06
        +4
        Now, Cossacks such as the Rosenbaum Honorary Cossack are held in high esteem.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 5 May 2016 08: 47
      +3
      Cossacks now only mummers walk in capitals. Prostitutes, but gays are being driven. And if Kushchevka happened, there were none like them. laughing
      1. Bath
        Bath 5 May 2016 09: 05
        +6
        Kushchevka didn’t happen and the local Ministry of Internal Affairs of the FSB administration didn’t even have the MecheeES, which is really bad and it’s not kosher to recall the Cossacks as the main culprits of Kushchevka
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 5 May 2016 05: 54
    +14
    I live in the south of Primorsky Krai, in the entire visible land district, the military. They will allocate the land somewhere far away, on some kind of hills, where it is not needed, in principle. People close to the authorities will get their hectares wherever they want — another shoe in general.
    1. Login_Off
      Login_Off 5 May 2016 06: 27
      -9
      The law comes into force on June 1, 2016 ...
      What hectares and officials are you talking about?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 07: 36
      +1
      Quote: Dimon19661
      .Earth will be allocated somewhere far away, on some sort of hills

      What a fool would come to mind to allocate land on the hills? Moscow is far away, but sometimes it is close. No, well, if you want a piece on the chamor or next to Texas (I don’t know where you live) then you have a lip ..... laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 5 May 2016 07: 42
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Moscow is far away, but sometimes it is close.

        Alexander, you’re interesting - but what will they do? To Magadan or to Kolyma?
        So it is closer to Moscow than Vladik. laughing
        And in Japan, so it seems to be no longer a link.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 08: 07
          +3
          Quote: atalef

          Alexander, you’re interesting - but what will they do?

          Sanya, the worst thing for an official is not a prison. The worst thing is the loss of position! I lost my position and that’s it, you are nobody. It just seems like there’s such a cool mutual responsibility. Believe me, as soon as they tied the Sakhalin governor, the next day all those who called him and said - Good afternoon, our dear, sorry to disturb you ....... Frantically they removed the number of their favorite governor from their phones. And this happens, even with a simple dismissal. Peace with the laws of the wolf. Thrown out of the pack-free!
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 5 May 2016 12: 14
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The worst thing is the loss of position!

            They even raised the retirement age for themselves, so that, God forbid, they would not excommunicate ahead of time! wink "The State Duma adopted in the first reading a bill on a gradual increase in the retirement age for officials to 65 years."
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      3. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2016 09: 02
        +1
        I agree. But Father needs to be sent to the Far East with a particularly honorable mission - to revive the collective farms. To put a salary for him, not less than that of Chubais, but to name him, such as "The great breadwinner of the peoples of Russia" with the right of inheritance to the fourth generation.
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      5. faridg7
        faridg7 5 May 2016 15: 23
        +2
        And we do not have land on the hills in free use. Primorye is entirely a hill. But arable land will not be allocated for this matter (well, unless you are a person close to the emperor). Only taiga and give (if they give). That's interesting, they will give a plot for agricultural use, but will they allow the sawing of wood? And what about the roads?
      6. Greenwood
        Greenwood 5 May 2016 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        a piece on chamor
        I would not refuse a piece of Shamora herself. wassat But, I think, everything is already divided there.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 5 May 2016 16: 38
          +3
          There, back in 1996, we managed to share everything))
    3. sherp2015
      sherp2015 5 May 2016 08: 33
      +2
      Quote: Dimon19661
      I live in the south of Primorsky Krai, in the entire visible land district, the military. They will allocate the land somewhere far away, on some kind of hills, where it is not needed, in principle. People close to the authorities will get their hectares wherever they want — another shoe in general.


      Definitely and without a doubt!
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 5 May 2016 09: 06
        0
        Quote: sherp2015
        Quote: Dimon19661
        I live in the south of Primorsky Krai, in the entire visible land district, the military. They will allocate the land somewhere far away, on some kind of hills, where it is not needed, in principle. People close to the authorities will get their hectares wherever they want — another shoe in general.


        Definitely and without a doubt!

        Is it different in Kamchatka? In the USSR, 200 km from the border were considered a border zone and the military commanded there. What has changed then?
  • semirek
    semirek 5 May 2016 06: 01
    +13
    Allocation of 1 ha is a parody of the politicians who passed this law, the author mentioned the Stolypin reform, but at that time there were politicians thinking about the people - the settler was guaranteed to provide up to ten hectares for the peasant, with those families it turned out dozens of hectares and the peasants were interested in processing this family in addition, elevating loans for moving, housing for livestock and equipment — and they were colossal — peasant settlers really developed and grew rich, mastering Siberia.
    We don’t have free land? I think it would be possible to interest people by giving 10 hectares plus elevating, now another summer resident in the middle lane has a hectare for his flowers, and here we are talking about state interests, and I’m sure that the notorious hectare will be given in the taiga wilderness - Local bureaucrats are not interested in fresh people.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 5 May 2016 06: 10
    +4
    So we’ll see if the modern government is capable of settling the Far East? Under Stolypin, over 8 years, more than 3 million. And this is in the absence of air and road transport, and the immigrants were provided with money and cattle. I think they’ll vryatli-whether the new law will cover natural outflow of the population? what fool hi
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 5 May 2016 08: 36
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      So we will see if the modern government is capable of settling the Far East? Under Stolypin, over 8 years, more than 3 million. And this, in the absence of air and road transport, and the settlers were provided with money and cattle.

      Our officials are capable of something else:
      Take, strangle, trample, humiliate ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 08: 55
        -2
        Quote: sherp2015
        Our officials are capable of something else:
        Take, strangle, trample, humiliate ...

        Two are sitting on a bench talking
        Stepan, all cops are kazly and nonhumans.
        Trofim, I agree with you.
        The morning of the next day.
        Trofim-Stepan, where are you going.
        Stepan, yes, I’m going to the police to write a statement, they robbed me.
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 5 May 2016 10: 55
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Two are sitting on a bench talking
          Stepan, all cops are kazly and nonhumans.
          Trofim, I agree with you.
          The morning of the next day.
          Trofim-Stepan, where are you going.
          Stepan, yes, I’m going to the police to write a statement, they robbed me.

          Romanov, is one of these two not your character? After all, I trodden the way to the FSB
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 11: 37
            -1
            Quote: sherp2015
            After all, I trodden the way to the FSB

            You probably don’t like the fact that the FSB prevents terrorist attacks in the country
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 5 May 2016 16: 59
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You probably don’t like the fact that the FSB prevents terrorist attacks in the country

              It’s one thing to prevent terrorist attacks, and it’s quite another to knock on the drum
  • Knowing
    Knowing 5 May 2016 06: 10
    +8
    One thing I will say, it was smooth on paper, BUT, there are local officials ... How long does it take to recruit people the mighty but wishing ... And then ... clearance .., rent ... etc, etc. P...
  • From Udmurtia
    From Udmurtia 5 May 2016 06: 11
    +8
    Thought, thought and not thought of. The feeling that this initiative was like an excuse to the president about the measures taken in the Far East within the framework of the ministry of the same name ..
    1. Penzuck
      Penzuck 5 May 2016 09: 58
      -5
      Quote: From Udmurtia
      Thought, thought and not thought of. The feeling that this initiative was like an excuse to the president about the measures taken in the Far East within the framework of the ministry of the same name ..

      lol
      Come, my friend, to the ministry’s website and at least read a bit. 5-35 article written.
      6-11 is your comment. You made all the conclusions in 36 minutes ... You are our high-speed ...
  • Igor39
    Igor39 5 May 2016 06: 14
    +11
    Officials are guaranteed to clean up land in the central regions, and citizens were sent to the reindeer herding region, we are waiting for lines for free land laughing
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 May 2016 06: 16
    +22
    Yes, nonsense, in fact. If it is forbidden to use the land,
    on which there are minerals, who will stop waiting,
    until the land is developed, and then squeeze it under the pretext of
    that they found a coal or ore.
    And with the current impoverishment, soon again the people from Primorye will stretch to the west of the country.
    So now I would save the population that still remains ...
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 5 May 2016 06: 42
      +4
      I agree that the authorities’ nonsense is why wrestle at distant lands for a piece of land 100 by 100 meters, who have the opportunity and desire, have already taken it in the center and in the south.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 May 2016 06: 19
    +3
    Someone will profit from it .... Not the one who will receive, but the one who will begin to allocate ..
    1. Bath
      Bath 5 May 2016 09: 09
      +7
      This initiative is a trial balloon. People predictably will not break into the Far East and the authorities, having made a mournful face with a clear conscience, will sell the Far East to the Chinese
  • klazarev
    klazarev 5 May 2016 06: 20
    +29
    If you notice that this initiative is an excuse, then why does the president sign such a blatant mess? I travel to the Far Eastern region and communicate with people. He is laughing at this law. It is an indicator that management has problems with goal-setting.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 5 May 2016 12: 16
      +1
      He is laughing at this law. It is an indicator that management has problems with goal-setting.

      That bish with brains, since they are either in Klitschko or in opera
    2. Cro-Magnon
      Cro-Magnon 5 May 2016 14: 10
      0
      Let them laugh .... they will cry when they will be handed over to neighboring China along with the land, with the wording: we have done everything, but the Russians do not want to develop and develop the Far East ... so as not to miss the same earth !?
  • Nehist
    Nehist 5 May 2016 06: 21
    +24
    The next populist decisions of the authorities! Who will come to us then? On the contrary, every year people flee from the Far East regions. For the prices of all space. The statement about the average salary of 70000 is like the average temperature in the hospital, and in fact within 25-30. Of which one third goes to utilities. Even if you take this site and build a house, the connection of the communications will cost as much as two more new houses to build and the maintenance of these communications will be through the stump of the deck, there have been and are accidents. Vobschem another nonsense before the election
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 5 May 2016 06: 27
    +25
    Yeah, that's what it looks like: crowds of families loaded with suitcases with burning eyes: Into Siberia!
    Aw! The powers that be! It is necessary to invest huge amounts of money in these territories. And then these lands will answer a hundredfold. And do not try to freebie with ingenious decisions to populate and ennoble territories comparable in size to Europe.
    People can travel to these lands with at least minimal infrastructures. Electricity, roads. You just need to get there. On the moon, too, lots are selling out.
    Relocated there - the locals will thank you very much, and they will be pulled from those lands closer to the west. As a result, they will get such an outflow of normal, qualified people that they will clutch their heads, but it will be too late. And who gave the right to consider the East as a dump, where should the unreliable people be exiled?
    When, finally, they realize that people will go there only with increased funding. Free or on preferential loans housing, increased salaries, cheap flights (I spent 10 days round-trip on the train ride), guaranteed work and free recovery. Take a look back half a century! In the USSR it was all, and the people went there. This is the only way to populate these vast lands.
    The only thing that pleases: finally at least we thought about the situation that has developed beyond the Urals.
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 07: 28
      +6
      Quote: S_Baykala
      People can travel to these lands with at least minimal infrastructures. Electricity, roads. You just need to get there. On the moon, too, lots are selling out.

      Absolutely Correct Parallel (+)
      Quote: S_Baykala
      When, finally, they realize that people will go there only with increased funding. Free or on preferential loans housing, increased salaries, cheap flights (I spent 10 days round-trip on the train ride), guaranteed work and free recovery. Take a look back half a century! In the USSR it was all, and the people went there. This is the only way to populate these vast lands.

      That's right, the fish is looking where deeper, and the man - where is better.
      Today someone seduce a hectare of land in the Far East belay - It’s not just not possible - it’s also not funny how stupid it is.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 5 May 2016 08: 44
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        That's right, the fish is looking where deeper, and the man - where is better.

        Don’t say, they found fools, an ordinary populist tops that will be safely forgotten and will die quietly .. like a lot in the Russian Federation. True bureaucrats have time to snatch under it, the most tidbits under Khabarovsk, Blagoy and Vladik)))
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 5 May 2016 12: 13
          +3
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Don’t say, they found fools, an ordinary populist tops that will be safely forgotten and will die quietly .. like a lot in the Russian Federation. True bureaucrats have time to snatch under it, the most tidbits under Khabarovsk, Blagoy and Vladik)))

          In the sky clouds are running,
          Rainy dusk is compressed
          under the old cart
          workers are lying.
          And the proud whisper hears
          water both above and below:
          "In four years
          there will be a garden city! "
          Dark leaden,
          and the rain is thick as a tourniquet
          workers are sitting in the mud
          they sit, they plait a splinter.
          Slim lips from the cold,
          but lips whisper in harmony:
          "In four years
          there will be a garden city! "
          Bringing dampness upset -
          unimportant wet coziness
          the workers are sitting in the dark
          drenched bread is chewed.
          But whispers are louder than hunger -
          he drops drops falling:
          "In four years
          there will be a garden city!
          Here the explosions cry
          To disperse the bear gangs
          And mine will subsoil mine
          coangular "Giant".
          Here the construction sites will stand up.
          Beeps, steam, sipy.
          We are a hundred suns martin
          Flammable Siberia.
          Here they will give us a good house
          and sieve without soldering,
          Already cast off Baikal
          The taiga will move back. "
          The whisper of the worker grew
          Above the darkness of fat herds
          and then inaudible,
          only audibly - "garden city".
          I know the city will be
          I know the garden is blooming
          when such people
          in the country in the Soviet Union is!
          VLADIMIR MAYAKOVSKY
          The story of Khrenov about Kuznetskstroy and about the people of Kuznetsk
          ... the keyword (three!) - "in the Soviet country"...
  • Aliv
    Aliv 5 May 2016 06: 53
    +12
    All this crap was invented to justify the lease of land to the Chinese. Like, we offered the people, they themselves refused, so let the Chinese master. From them at least some good. They pay for rent. Do not forget about such a fad of law as: if you didn’t give the mind to the earth, and after five years there is nothing to pay for it, then it will be taken away. And you are homeless. And if he invested his strength, and the land began to bear fruit, then on your land there will be a master from local bandits or Moscow businessmen.
  • RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 5 May 2016 07: 11
    -7
    All refugees and immigrants due to cardon to settle strictly in the Far East!
    1. atalef
      atalef 5 May 2016 07: 25
      +5
      Quote: RED_ICE
      All refugees and immigrants due to cardon to settle strictly in the Far East!

      What did the Far East do to you?
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 5 May 2016 08: 41
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        What did the Far East do to you?

        Then Sanya, to you in the Middle East)))
        Shalom, Marshal hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 May 2016 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Then Sanya, to you in the Middle East)))

          Then they (refugees) do not need to leave anywhere
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Shalom, Marshal

          At Brah, Nikolay.
          You know, titles for us (watchmen) are purely nominal things. Although the process was interesting.
          3 times with general colonels in the skull and vice versa.
          I'm like that Jew
          Ask Rabinovich
          Every 2 weeks he darts to Israel and back
          -Do you like Russia
          -No
          Ah - in Israel
          - also no
          - so why are you always dangling
          - I like it on the road.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 5 May 2016 07: 18
    +1
    ... Life and time will clearly show how viable this project is, but as they say = a drowning man grabs a straw =, and therefore this project has a right to be. Here are how many Russians will support his question: So it is possible that this project will really return will have when migrants from other countries will go to the Far East, but this is again a question of the future tense ..
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 5 May 2016 07: 19
    +16
    YESAAAAA, really
  • AID.S
    AID.S 5 May 2016 07: 24
    +10
    Some kind of crap. Settlement of uninhabited outskirts according to the principle "oh my God, what's worthless for us." Who will throw everything and rush to nowhere? If a person is doing well, then what is the point of moving, and if a person is a loser, then what will change there? It looks like someone in the government read about the Stolypin reform on Wikipedia? And I would also propose to enslave the settlers and impose quitrent taxes on them in full to fill the budget.
  • Million
    Million 5 May 2016 07: 29
    +15
    Oh, a brain would be a hectare to our rulers!
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 5 May 2016 07: 56
      +9
      Quote: Million
      Oh, a brain would be a hectare to our rulers!

      Yes, at least a hundred ... where to speak about a hectare?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 May 2016 07: 30
    +2
    Far Eastern hectare.

    The one who was the first in the government to voice (proposed) this idea probably really wanted to remain the second Stolypin in history. But it won't work. As usual, everything is lumpy and ill-considered. Now, if the government in full force lived in the Far East for at least a year (and not in large cities), using all the "benefits" and the average salary, then, you see, they would offer something worthwhile.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 May 2016 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Now, if the government in full force lived in the Far East for at least a year (and not in large cities), using all the "benefits" and the average salary, then, you see, they would offer something worthwhile.

      what are you - Putin won’t stay for a day on Vostochny, so the spacemen arranged such a spacing - and you’re a year laughing
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 5 May 2016 11: 52
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The one who was the first in the government to voice (proposed) this idea probably really wanted to remain the second Stolypin in history. But it won't work. As usual, everything is lumpy and ill-considered. Now, if the government in full force lived in the Far East for at least a year (and not in large cities), using all the "benefits" and the average salary, then, you see, they would offer something worthwhile.

      And the first to voice this idea Trutnev loudly at the suggestion of Gref, and Galushko, the Minister of Development Minvostok actively supported and pushed into the Duma.
  • njerd
    njerd 5 May 2016 07: 32
    +9
    Yes, all this is nonsense. Not even worth the time spent discussing. Need a program for the development of the Far East. First of all, to keep those who already live here. And then the population decline is still here. The people are leaving, as before. The trend however.
  • Volksib
    Volksib 5 May 2016 07: 34
    0
    The problem has really ripened, and it needs to be solved. This trial ball the law will be corrected and supplemented. The hectare is allocated to the FAMILY MEMBER. Respectively and is designed for family-related development. When you do not know what to do, just start and do. So the government should work in this direction, time will tell.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: Volksib
      A hectare is allocated for a FAMILY MEMBER. Respectively and is designed for family-related development.

      A Chinese man comes to Russia ... he marries a single mother with many children (five children, for example, three - over 14 ...) ... Already 5 hectares! In fact, the nearby adjacent 5 hectares are also "mastering" ... Taiga, the "green sea" ... the borders are vague ... And relatives in China - wow! ...
      -------------------
      ... and other, less obvious schemes of "development of the Far Eastern hectare" ...
  • reeston
    reeston 5 May 2016 07: 35
    +6
    Quote: Dimon19661
    I live in the south of Primorsky Krai, in the entire visible land district, the military. They will allocate the land somewhere far away, on some kind of hills, where it is not needed, in principle. People close to the authorities will get their hectares wherever they want — another shoe in general.

    Near Moscow I saw summer cottages in a swamp. Ditches were 3 meters high with water. The owner of one cottage said he had brought 10 Kamaz trucks of land. So was this hectare.
  • bamsik
    bamsik 5 May 2016 07: 38
    +1
    1ha it's not serious
    retired military can be relocated
    settle along rivers
    need infrastructure and state guarantees of land inviolability
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: bamsik
      1ha it's not serious
      retired military can be relocated
      settle along rivers

      ... and other "enemies of the people and world liberalizmu" ... Schaub, they got stuck there!
      ------------
      Instead of providing to these people, - who protected the state at the cost of his life - a worthy existence at the expense of this very, saved state!
  • Nonna
    Nonna 5 May 2016 07: 41
    +13
    People in the USSR went to work and explore the North only with good salaries, rates and pensions. And not just ruin your health. If I don’t have the money to develop it, I don’t have a house, gas, water, and everywhere is space empty? I will go out into the field with a suitcase on my hectare - and then, take a shovel and a dugout swarm?
  • reeston
    reeston 5 May 2016 07: 42
    +9
    By area, the Amur Region is equal to Japan. Stolypin resettled people due to lack of land.
    And our fields are overgrown with forest in central Russia. And whom we will resettle.
    If forced, then all the guards and healthy men from the markets. These are millions!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 May 2016 09: 21
      +4
      Quote: reeston
      If forced, then all the guards and healthy men from the markets. These are millions!
      Security guards definitely - healthy men wipe their pants all day long good
  • Svetovod
    Svetovod 5 May 2016 07: 50
    +2
    Maybe the original goal was to contain the chinas? After all, what do not do there, it is unprofitable (except for breeding rabbits).
    The gesture is beautiful, but in Khrushchev’s not thought out, as can be seen from the simplicity of ordering the site.
    These lands are already popular, but you need to start with the construction of towns and the creation of industries there.
    1. Bath
      Bath 5 May 2016 09: 14
      +1
      why unprofitable? if poppy or hemp planting, then profit and an interesting life are provided
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 5 May 2016 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: Bath
        why unprofitable? if poppy or hemp planting, then profit and an interesting life are provided

        ... And even this will not work - hemp will not ripen to the "condition" of marijuana, then poppy will not pick up "milk" - the climate does not match! Is that - to collect pollen from hemp, but here a hectare will not be enough, perhaps - for personal consumption ...
  • koksalek
    koksalek 5 May 2016 07: 53
    +2
    Looking at how in many places land is allocated to many children, when all the tasty lands fall into the hands of unclean bureaucrats, then the simplest thing remains for ordinary citizens.
    Maybe on a distant power different
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: koksalek
      Looking at how in many places land is allocated to many children, when all the tasty lands fall into the hands of unclean bureaucrats, then the simplest thing remains for ordinary citizens.
      Maybe on a distant power different

      ... Yeah, flown from neighboring Mars!
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 5 May 2016 07: 54
    +13
    Correctly write here that this "hectare" - "bullshit". In fact, nothing needs to be invented, the state needed a long time ago, with money that was withdrawn from Russia for 15 years, and which partly invested in American bonds, and partly pissed away at "bursting" American banks, to build roads to those lands that they were going to develop, conduct there light, gas, to build other infrastructure. BUT ... it had to be done! That is, the state and its officials had to work, but they are not used to working, they do not know how and do not want to. They can only "pass laws" and wait for a "good uncle" called "investor" to come and do everything for them, and even with his own money. It's the same with this "hectare" - they are waiting for people to come to these "waste" lands themselves for their own money and master them on their own, yeah, how - "scattered" ... There is a version on the internet that the "law" is about hectare is lobbied by those wishing to earn extra money on "timber export" - that is, "the casket is opened simply" - you take and register the "hectare" for "dummy" persons, so that there is more area where there is a "forest" and from where it can be taken out - you cut it down and you take out everything for sale, and you forget about this "hectare" as if it never existed because it is no longer good for anything.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 May 2016 09: 24
      +10
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      conduct light, gas there, build other infrastructure.

      We are supplying gas to Europe, dear partners - we are the Great Energy Power (a raw material colony, if we speak in ordinary language). Syria is now being called upon to rebuild. China Tkachev, the other day, was going to pump fresh water - we will also be the Great Water Power fellow What is the Far East ?!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 5 May 2016 12: 08
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        We are supplying gas to Europe, dear partners - we are the Great Energy Power (a raw material colony, if we speak in ordinary language). Syria is now being called upon to rebuild. China Tkachev, the other day, was going to pump fresh water - we will also be the Great Water Power fellow What is the Far East ?!

        You! Forgotten Dill! Look in the news! Who will keep the ukpropitheks if they build Nord Stream 2? The EU and the US do not agree, but Petya forgave his debts.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 May 2016 17: 19
        -1
        For that, we can handle the headstock and flood problems - a cubic meter of 1000 rubles.
  • Ilya77
    Ilya77 5 May 2016 07: 57
    +6
    A counter proposal - to relocate former deputies and senior officials to these hectares, then the infrastructure will quickly appear! And to ordinary people to distribute land in the Crimea - in vain do we suffer for it?
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Ilya77
      A counter proposal - to relocate former deputies and senior officials to these hectares, then the infrastructure will quickly appear!

      ... Then - each 20-50 ha! And if they don’t master it - in a year - we give them .... !!!
  • dark_flame
    dark_flame 5 May 2016 08: 00
    +2
    The law was good, but in fact, what's good about it? You are given 1 hectare of land, on which you build the infrastructure yourself, for your hard-earned money, if I understood correctly. At the same time, I will receive this hectare as property only after 5 years and not immediately, but is it possible that, having spent a lot of money and effort, for, say, 4 years, I have ennobled the plot, spent gas, electricity and electricity, and some bureaucrat comes to me and says "Vasya, this land does not belong to you, so get out of here in good health," I also do not understand. In addition, 1 hectare is not enough for farming, not well, really little, to use relatives, not well, seriously in 5 years, if I understood correctly, owning N number of hectares on which some kind of farm is located will be N number of people. But the land (housing) issue very often spoils people. In fact, the law sounds good, but you start to delve into the essence and a lot of questions appear, to which the answers are somehow not found.
    1. 9057654472
      9057654472 5 May 2016 08: 19
      +3
      It’s good if you have hard-earned funds, because you will go to a bank for a loan at a fabulous interest, and after 4 years - without land and in debt like in silk
  • kolexxx
    kolexxx 5 May 2016 08: 01
    0
    For compact development of new villages with a common infrastructure, such as electricity and gas, one hectare is a lot, 20-30 hectares is more than enough for the private sector with a private household. Well, for a farmer, one hectare is nothing at all. It takes at least 50 hectares to survive, but generally larger plots of 300 to 400 hectares for people who can invest good money in agricultural production are much more viable. The US went through a phase of farm consolidation through the ruin of small farmers and the purchase of their land by more successful farmers and agricultural enterprises. In the USSR there was collectivization as a way to achieve a similar effect on the enlargement of farms. Both processes were dictated by objective necessity. This recent experience cannot be forgotten.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 5 May 2016 08: 02
    +7
    It will not take off, in the USSR the development of the territories of the north and the Far East was carried out according to the principle of organizational recruitment, i.e. with the participation of the state, with its financial and technological capabilities, here everything is shifted to individuals who do not possess such opportunities, but populism ...
  • 9057654472
    9057654472 5 May 2016 08: 03
    +5
    An interesting project, only the development of the Far Eastern lands does not fit in with other initiatives, such as increasing the retirement age, canceling early retirement benefits for northerners and equated to them, while the Far Eastern lands just fall into the majority in this category, canceling early retirements with harmful and difficult conditions labor, already now the Pension Fund of Russia is engaged in a massive refusal to assign early retirement benefits to people who have worked 15 in the Far North, i.e. in difficult climatic conditions, with all kinds of substitution of concepts for the right to early retirement. Tell me how the climatic conditions of work in Kamchatka at a civilian enterprise and the contract service are the same, and on the appeal, who served at the time, he worked as a tractor driver, then he was called turn the tails on the planes for five years, and when it came time to refuse retirement, explaining that working on a tractor had severe climatic conditions, but at a distance of 30 km from the previous place of work it’s already tropics, you work full time at the enterprise, and the service is not full-time, gentlemen, this is not nonsense, this is the official refusal of the Pension Fund. Another thing is that you’re a lure, citizens don’t retire, work, after five years you will have a pension like that of an oligarch, and after five years, I'm sorry the retirement age is increased , be like everyone else, a pensioner is a rogue. The same fate awaits the development of the Far Eastern lands, they will give it with one hand, they will undress with two hands, you gentlemen of those who are there keep working so that after your innovations the rest do not scatter.
  • Whitesnow
    Whitesnow 5 May 2016 08: 04
    +15
    Insanity is worse than a tripper. The tripper is at least being treated.
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  • njerd
    njerd 5 May 2016 08: 12
    +5
    You look on the Internet for an interview with Tinkov, how he wanted to build a hotel in Kamchatka. No other example is needed. There it is immediately clear how all the development projects of the Far East work on the ground.
  • raid14
    raid14 5 May 2016 08: 22
    +2
    "Raw law", big heads in power wanted the best, it turned out as always. They send people to the place where "Makar does not feed calves", the question is, is it proposed to build roads and connect electricity and gas at their own expense?
    Only religious sectarians or extreme "naturalists" will go to the place where "the law is taiga, the bear is the owner" and there are no basic living conditions.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 5 May 2016 08: 24
    +11
    State Duma - 1000 ha under Susuman, free of charge. There and relocate (to air the brains of lawmakers) :)
  • bad
    bad 5 May 2016 08: 26
    0
    Far Eastern hectare. Will the new law help to master the Far East?
    ..No! it doesn’t help .. the land should be given into the property right away, but without the right to sell .. and not set the conditions for how long to develop it .. a wealthy person will build a house and communications and let the average Russian land somewhere — in the taiga without the help of the state ..learn from Stolypin .. my great-grandfather was given land, money for equipping, a horse and supply of property, and they stomped from South Belarus to the Southern Urals under their own power .. and there were tens of thousands of such migrants .. my great-grandfather had a family of 12 souls and grandfather 8, and lived and worked hard .. hi
  • Pitot
    Pitot 5 May 2016 08: 27
    +24
    I live in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. We offer territories in which it’s not that there are no communications (even power lines are very far away), there are no roads. Even directions. A lot of rivers, streams. They have a security zone. Almost all of Kamchatka (where you can reach by car) is a nature reserve, a wildlife sanctuary. So - just live, you can’t do anything - the green ones will be delayed. On the entire peninsula - 2 large centers, cities - this is Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Yelizovo (emphasis on the first E). In our city the roads are in a terrible state. The federal highway is more or less maintained, and this is only because when the GDP arrives, it travels from the airport to it. Why do I need to go to live wherever you go, where there are no communications, daylight hours such that solar panels cannot be used, the wind is not everywhere and not always, usually on the coast. Now they pump gas, soon oil will start pumping into the city, also a security zone. We have summer - from June to August. The rest is winter. The bears divorced - they are already in the city not like at night, they already roam around during the day. But you can’t shoot. People eat - you can, but you can’t touch them. And how will people go to work? She is already almost gone. And pensioners (not all) will (pull up the development of this hectare) will not pull (take a loan? But how to give it away? There is no work, the salary is lower than the mainland - if we take into account the prices for everything). Doctors are completely non-Russians.
    Everything except the base of the submarine and the range for the fall of missiles in Kamchatka is not. And it will not be with that attitude. And the Chinas are twigs, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Armenians, too. Nafig, surrendered Kamchatka. They create such conditions that people flee from here, and not only pensioners. Middle age is also leaving. There are simply no prospects for today. Yes, and will not be in the way. They will make a region with a shift method of service.
    This is again some kind of stabbing people. Sovetnichki decided to someone Russian Zemlyka rafting? I wonder how much they bought, then corrupt? Probably not cheap, if so quickly turned this topic.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 May 2016 10: 55
      +3
      Even Vilyuchinsk, the population in it is also approximately the same as in Yelizovo. ;) And so, yes, that's right.
      1. Pitot
        Pitot 5 May 2016 17: 51
        +1
        Yes, Vilyuchinsk is a closed city, so I did not take it into account.
  • iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 5 May 2016 08: 29
    +5
    When reading this law, Viktor Stepanovich's immortal phrase comes to mind very strongly - "We wanted the best, it turned out, as always." Probably the authorities really remembered Stolypin's reform. Only then were the conditions different, and then the reform failed. And a lot - because of her performance. At that time, officials robbed the settlers for nothing. And now that this will not happen. Here and near Moscow you will not achieve the truth, let alone in Siberia ... Or again, on the phone with the president, let's hope.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 5 May 2016 08: 34
    +8
    Everything is as usual. There is nothing else to expect from the marginal EP. Instead of dealing with systemic reforms, they are fooled. They pull, as their time in power can, creating the appearance of some kind of activity. All this is done by people who are either far-sighted or hostile to the Russian people.
    We and in the Samara region abandoned land more than half of the region, and if you still spill Orenburg !!! Which is almost all naked ...
    If there is a real desire to populate the Far East, then the "law on a hectare" in this case will help, like a dead poultice. It is obvious.
  • Severok
    Severok 5 May 2016 08: 46
    +6
    This decision, if you look at it also from the point of view of the simplified granting of citizenship to the same Chinese, is a way of taking away land in favor of foreigners who arrived from abroad. Those. for their Russian-speaking people, officials are all sorts of sticks in the wheels about moving to Russia, it is enough to type in the tags "Russians in Kazakhstan, Russians from Tajikistan", but for everyone else - yes, please! This event on a hectare of land in the Far East is rotten and populist through and through.

    So that a person wants to break loose - give him lifting equipment, not in monetary terms, but with the same equipment and building materials, don’t squeeze the land, give 10 Ha per person, help with electricity and water supply! ALL!!! The people will begin to rise! And if they’ll be exempted from taxes for 15 years, then it’s not a trickle of people - a stream!
  • nemec55
    nemec55 5 May 2016 08: 49
    +5
    Far Eastern hectare. Will the new law help to master the Far East?

    It looks like cheese thrown into a mousetrap. And how to live in the steppe or taiga ????
    1. castle
      castle 5 May 2016 11: 50
      -8
      How to live? And you try to remember, or rather, do not remember, but find in the Russian State Library, in Moscow, the history of the settlement of Western territories in America. No roads, no electricity. And they fought with Indian tribes, and with each other, and with their "brothers", but the state was created. Both agriculture and industry. And there was no government support there. We created everything with our labor, our own hands, our health and our lives. They had a benefit - they had the right to own property and weapons. And look how some families are now settling in Alaska. Without the support of the state, but the state does not bother them. They build houses, uproot the forest, plow the land, get fish and furs and live without electricity, but children must go to school! But first they calculate their strength, then they go into battle. Loans are not for "foreign cars" and not for tablets, but for tractors and saws. And they know how to pay.
      And you would give everything ready. Let the state and Putin take care of you. And themselves what?
      This idea with a "hectare" will be as always - although they wanted the best.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 5 May 2016 11: 59
        +3
        Well yes Alaska! That is precisely what the state does not bother them with, and we will start checking paperwork and so on. Loans for a tractor and a saw Yes, with joy, only a percentage is the same as theirs and the deadlines. They say you want to get furs and chop wood? So environmentalists and officials with permissions for this and that will be extorted.
      2. nemec55
        nemec55 5 May 2016 12: 27
        +4
        How to live? And you try to remember, or rather, don’t remember, but find in the Russian State Library, in Moscow, the history of the settlement of Western territories in America

        You plaque a fly to whom you say it to the GERMAN whose ancestors came to the steppe under Catherine II (and earlier under Ivan the Terrible) then came to the steppe of the Omsk region
        in 1913 under the Stalypinsky reforms, then the third parish in the 41m. Again the steppes of Kazakhstan, the Irkutsk forest. YOU ASK who it scratches ?????? angry
        Do you have b? **? in two words, Moscow jumped out and I would?: * I live in the place you are talking about * (? :) about books. angry
        1. castle
          castle 5 May 2016 13: 08
          -2
          My words "in Moscow", apart from punctuation marks, appeared in 17th place (for the first and last time)!
          I wrote about the western regions of northern America and about Alaska. Do you live there?
          And, most importantly, you, as a descendant, may have heard about how bad it was for the German immigrants in Russia, especially after 1939. Do not swear or worry! Just take that "free" hectare in the Far East and create your own paradise there. The Germans can do it. Especially the descendants. Is not it? I hope that you have a wonderful farm where you live.
          1. nemec55
            nemec55 5 May 2016 13: 20
            +4
            At the moment, I’m wandering for work a hundred kilometers into the city (Omsk) and then what a beautiful farm I have for all to shit. For the region is prosperous under the USSR and earlier now no one even needs a gift because the village is destroyed (the land has been bought up and is now sown 10-15 K700) and one or two JOON DEER and MTM do not need welding and a turner is also not needed now, the farm is generally utopia (in almost 70-80% of the villages of the Omsk region) the farms are destroyed. And what should the poor people do ??? ? And I will answer many rent apartments in the city (for three of them) and work while the children live in the villages and go to school. I can tell you about the whole of Russia because I traveled practically all over it on business trips.
            The most interesting did not write QUESTION what kind of lyad to us poor collective farmers from one hole to meddle in another where people possibly live even worse than we hi
            1. nemec55
              nemec55 5 May 2016 13: 48
              +5
              Comes to me SMS super duper loan from Sberbank at 23% per annum for 60 thousand rubles fool He showed his sister who lives in Germany she was shocked 15 years ago, it was 7% and it was hard to build a house, but now she says the state gives at 4%
              A curtain .
  • leovik51
    leovik51 5 May 2016 08: 49
    +16
    The government pretends to care about the people.
  • Huan karlos
    Huan karlos 5 May 2016 09: 01
    +21
    A month ago, I arrived in Yakutia from Kazan. Locals are very worried that the earth will now fly away visitors. Meetings are held periodically. Although they cannot master their land as part of their fence.
    I went for a drive around the region, I couldn’t get a child in kindergarten, as they said there were no places, go to private (+7 tr) work hard, there is no agriculture. Logistics is dead, talked with the locals, they say that the main posts are occupied by relatives of the President of the RS (Yakutia). It’s hard to get a well-paid job with a good education. The city is srach, very dirty. Prices are high, and the farther from Yakutsk the higher. The housing is expensive, the communal apartment is high, the gas is the most expensive in Russia, the water is unsuitable for drinking, only purchased. It seems to have its own resources, but meat and fish are expensive. Own fish, meat mainly imported from China, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, etc. Vegetables fruits mainly from China. It’s cheaper to catch or buy fish yourself in an online store in the Russian Federation with delivery, it will be cheaper.
    I strongly doubt that the earth will pull people into the region, maybe at first, but then all dreams will be broken about the reality of the cast-iron ass of our modern life. I myself planned to take the site, but having seen it, I understand that there is nothing to catch here without the support of the government, unless of course you have a good amount of several carts in your account for the development of your site.
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 5 May 2016 10: 04
      +3
      I support, Juan Carlos ...
    2. Platonich
      Platonich 5 May 2016 11: 28
      +11
      Yes, this is again someone's bastard reformist idea to arrange a show: how do we care about our own people! Let this s.any reformer go and show how it will be realized! And then laws from Moscow are well written (especially in a dream at meetings in the State Duma)! Benefactors, their mother!
    3. faiver
      faiver 9 May 2016 15: 28
      0
      I myself am from Yakutsk, I confirm every word :)
  • Gavril
    Gavril 5 May 2016 09: 01
    +9
    In Yakutia, all land suitable for farming is used, I repeat all! Everything else is impenetrable taiga, so I think this law is passed for those who will, for example, industrially cut down forests in southern Yakutia to sell it raw to China. And about the infrastructure, in my opinion people just don’t understand what our distances are)))