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I am a Pole, and "ce" cool! In Ukraine, the promotion of a new ethnic trend is planned.

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I am a Pole, and "ce" cool! In Ukraine, the promotion of a new ethnic trend is planned.



How many times in Ukraine have we heard the phrase from the Ukrainian “patriots” that if the Russian language is given the same rights as the Ukrainian, the latter will simply disappear or be squeezed east of Vinnitsa. Or another expression: "Once you live" in "Ukraine, you must know and use the Ukrainian language in public institutions, because I must respect my country! ”It rightly followed the requirement that all foreign films and TV shows in Ukraine should be voiced in Ukrainian or accompanied by Ukrainian subtitles. This was even supported by the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine, who fell in love with the Ukraine project to the bone and especially in social discussions. networks emphasized that they, even ethnic Russians, but are patriots of their country, and we, Russian Russians, cannot understand them. From the point of view of social psychology, they have a false sense of guilt and responsibility that they are involved in the Russification of Ukraine or even in its settlement (based on the tenets of the Ukrainian worldview and historiography). The same reference "Galician Ukrainians" in general have built in the fetish slogans: "One nation - one language!" But, it seems, some foreign culture will soon make an obvious exception in the media space of Ukraine.

Why even the ethnic Russians who left the RSFSR in the direction of the CPSU party, the plant and the Soviet Army, became fans of “embroidery”, we have analyzed in past publications about the phenomenon “Russian Bandera”. My personal point of view is that the most powerful reason for this “love” was the information window of opportunity from 1995 to 2003 a year, and not boring textbooks on stories Of Ukraine with stories about the fields and wheat with the Cossacks. During this period, “Russian World” in Ukraine was presented only as pirated monophonic videotapes and a rare retransmission of some Russian programs on the Russian-language television channel Inter. There was no independent choice of information before the cable TV revolution and the Internet.

Moving away from repeating past explanations, I’ll only briefly remind you once again that many Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine, especially students and entrepreneurs, initially considered Galician culture, firstly, as a reference Ukrainian, and secondly, they associated Galicia with Europe. Vyshivanka subconsciously perceived as a kind of ticket to Europe for Russian-speaking consumers. Galicia, such a failed second Czech Republic, Slovakia and, finally, Poland. No one you frankly from the Russian-speaking supporters of the Maidan and the ATO is never recognized. As a Russian-speaking entrepreneur of the Russian-speaking Zaporozhye will always associate their commercial success not with a market economy and the collapse of the USSR, but it is the project of Ukraine that will be grateful, so a student of the Russian-speaking Dnipropetrovsk will never admit that he just wants to have an accent from Lviv, Ternopil and Rovno, only further to be from Russianism. What Poltava and what Sich with her surzhik Russian-Ukrainian !? Another thing is the Lvov “govirka”, in which the Western Ukrainian swarthy burning brunette of the 1 + 1 or STB channel addresses it.

This is Ruslana’s clip and the hit of the end of 90-s and the beginning of 2000-s in Ukraine. This clip promotes bright colorful Western Ukrainian culture, gives a hint that Ukrainians are almost like Czechs and Hungarians, almost Europe. I ask Russian citizens of Russia, if time permits, to see it to the end. Then look out the window of your gray sleeping area and imagine that 1999 is now a year, you don’t have 5 years of Russian TV channels, you don’t have internet to choose programs yourself. You already understand the language, but do not speak it. And one important detail - you 13-17 years. And this is just another 1999 year. Even in the presidential election this year, Symonenko from the Communist Party of Ukraine and Vitrenko from their bloc lead. But the relatively Russian-speaking Kuchma will win thanks to a temporary alliance with the Donetsk oligarchs. Orange is not even on the horizon, but we already know that the village will win the Russian-speaking industrial city



And now, just a few days ago we read in Ukrainian the news:
The National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasting allowed two Polish channels to be broadcast in Ukraine [/ b].
According to the National Council, the company Scripps Network International Limited from Great Britain asked for permission to broadcast. These are the Kino Polska Muzyka International and Kino Polska International channels.
The broadcast volume is 23 hours per day. There will be no advertising on the channels, but the broadcast will be in Polish.
“There are no erotic and sexual programs in the programs with scenes of excessive violence or horror, films banned in Ukraine,” the National Council said in a statement. ”

source: Two Polish TV channels will appear in Ukraine



Well, I, as a sane person, have a question at once to the two passionate social-mental groups of the population of Ukraine: this is to the Westerners (the standard Ukrainians) and the Russian-speaking Banderovites (the most ardent nationalists of Ukraine). So, the launch of Polish TV channels in Polish, which also has proximity to the Ukrainian language, especially to the Galician “Govirka”, is not it a threat to the complete disappearance of the Ukrainian language? Let me remind you that if Russian is adopted as the state language, Ukrainian will by no means disappear even in Zhytomyr, and even more so in Lviv. And in the case of open broadcasting of Polish TV channels and further other Polish humanitarian projects, will it not lead to the complete extinction of the Ukrainian language? Russian in Ukraine will remain Russian in the medium term for sure, but even surzhik will definitely disappear. Is there really no threat to the "Mova" nightingale? Funny you, Russian-speaking maydanutye and Galicians, or you actually always had "do not care" for Ukraine? All your "chants" are worth nothing. You are ordinary consumers who, in pursuit of material comfort, tomorrow will make the state language - English, as the language of success and globalism. Not a single muscle of your face will move to utter your favorite and catch phrase: “If we make it the second state language, then the Ukrainian language will disappear!” Where are the rallies under the National Council? Protect your Ridna Mova! Or do you care about your culture, just to be in Europe?

Now let's talk about the risks for the "Russian World". Before 1990, the Russian language was studied in the USSR as “Our Father”, and in the countries of the soc. The camps and the Eastern bloc also considered Russian a priority for learning. Theoretically, if the USSR had existed for 20 years, our language could claim the title of the second world. I don’t know about you, but the thought would warm me that when I arrived at the airport of another continent, I would have seen inscriptions not only in English or wouldn’t see at all ... Oh well, I dreamed and he slipped away from me. Dreamed and forgotten. Today, in the Russian language itself on the territory of Russia, there are enough borrowings from the English language. But this is another topic.

I want to set the tone and discussion topics on the Military Outlook website - are we today witnessing the birth of New Croatia (Greek Catalytic), or Greater Poland (from sea to sea), or nothing at all? What is happening in Ukraine in the cultural space? Or maybe I just blow on the water and not on milk? Let's admit to ourselves honestly that no one in Ukraine will raise a rebellion without organized central resistance and coordination, etc. So it all depends on the will of external players. Consequently, no one is going to stop a cultural melting pot in Ukraine, and even add a new ingredient - Polish identity. It is clear that I am not ironic that Russia does not intervene openly there, so as not to be the culprits of the "attacks" and "strikes" of the European way of Ukraine. And is it necessary already? Let's talk, do we need today in Russia to demographically compensate for the mentally lost Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine from the point of view of carriers of Russian culture and identity? And it's not just about compatriots resettlement program. You also need to talk about changing consumer standards and raise the issue of ideology. Or maybe you do not need to compensate anyone? Well, you will think, Kiev will become through 10 years, as today Lviv, and Odessa as Kiev today mentally. Yes, it is unpleasant that in Kharkov the literary Russian will be less and less. There will be less demand for Russian-language products in the IT sphere and in the entertainment industry (film and music). (After the Maidan, I did not wait for the “lustration” of the accounting program 1С that was developed in the Russian Federation.) And we in Russia will still be in the 146 million area, adjusted for national republics! And if we somehow compensate for the losses, and our Russian families in Russia, despite the consumer society, will start giving birth to the 3-4 child, what does this give us, besides the feeling that we still dominate the new “Greater Poland” with 70 million population and retain the cultural and economic space by quantity, not by territory? But after all, Odessa and other cities, is it all ours? Or maybe there will be no “Greater Poland” with the 70 million population or the Greek-Catholic “New Croatia”, and the maydanted regime will really fall, the Americans will leave, and people will miraculously self-organize according to the “bottom” principle? Questions that are not answered or even scared to ask yourself.


Past century. No consumer standards, family planning institutions or budgets. A pair of shoes for the summer, a pair of shoes for the winter, as well as clothes. No fears and thoughts: "Will we pull another child?"


What actually happened? Yes, now two Polish TV channels will broadcast in Ukraine almost around the clock and without translation. Another question is that now is not 1995-2003 of the year, when they also cut down everything Russian in Ukraine, but there was no high-speed Internet, or there was no Internet at all, satellite dishes were a luxury, and cable TV in sleeping areas twisted only movies on cable with using a VCR. Today there is an alternative, and the probability to sit on the Polish igloo is probably several times less? Yes, I do not argue that a person who knows Ukrainian will understand Polish more quickly than a resident of Saratov. Remember, we in past articles sorted out the causes of Ukrainian chauvinism, where one of the reasons was the realization that your “sister” (collective image) from Saratov knows only Russian, and you already have two. Such a hidden joy from some imaginary superiority and the desire to play a trick. Now, if you slip an economic rationale here and make some correlation for yourself that your material success in Ukraine and even выживание will depend on the knowledge of the Polish language and culture, we can get a trend: “To speak Polish is cool!”. Today it sounds fantastic, but tell people in Dnepropetrovsk 10 years ago that young Russian-speaking guys in a million city, where they collect space rockets, will walk in some kind of rural patterned shirts, from which my generation of 90’s in Ukraine’s schools just sick of shouts to the teacher: "I will not wear this crap on the school line!" - no one will believe !!!

There is a certain thesis and the idea that supposedly the Russian people are easily assimilated into other cultures and peoples, and as an argument they say that there are no purely Russian quarters in America and Paris, and the Russian is rapidly becoming local in the second generation, etc. So I want to say that there are no German and Austrian quarters in the United States and Paris, like Finnish and Norwegian. Simply, there are people with a colorful culture of farming and animal husbandry, which easily retain their originality in the same technological America. And there are peoples with an industrial soul. The German can easily become Russian, just as a Russian can become German or the same American. But the Russian Portuguese can be met, if he is perhaps from Galicia or Poltava. A Russian can become a Ukrainian, if a Ukrainian, that is tempting him, yesterday was a Russian engineer. Therefore, it is no longer necessary to assume that only we, the Russians, are so vulnerable, the only ones. All that is needed to our people and community is ideology and strong power. But what power and ideology, the question, as always, is open.

PS Today, on the Runet’s expanses, one can often hear the opinion that Ukraine has got everyone, the theme of Ukraine is fed up, and let them live there as they please. In part, I understand the psychological fatigue of Russians, but they don’t care what the territorial formation of the south-western borders of Russia will be in 8-12 years? I believe that the launch of Polish TV channels throughout Ukraine is a challenge for Russian culture, regardless of whether it closes at the Russian borders or not. Who listened attentively to the song of Ruslana, there she sings about the Kuban "wreaths". What the "new" Poles will sing, only God knows. And it’s foolish to think that everything in the 21 century will be reduced to Polish TV channels, Polish social networks and other humanitarian projects will come after them. Or maybe none of this will happen, and Ukraine will either fall apart or will become relatively friendly again? Follow the trends.

Video in the subject. New social and mental structure of the Ukrainian society after the Maidan and the ATO. The name of the video does not frighten. I think even the Jews will be interested.

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  1. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 5 May 2016 05: 31
    -26%
    Another forcing.
    1. Finches
      Finches 5 May 2016 05: 44
      +23
      Gumilev classifies human individuals into three main groups: passionaries, harmonious individuals, subpassionaries, but his theory is not complete, he still forgot the fourth species, Ukrainians are an exception! laughing
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 5 May 2016 08: 16
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        he still forgot the fourth species, the exception individuals are Ukrainians!

        Reread his work "Ancient Russia and the Great Steppe", where he gives the concept of "chimera". Here Dill is CHIMERA.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 5 May 2016 09: 12
          +11
          Not really a chimera.
          I would call it pseudo empire.
          Galitsayam, the people of the fourth category, is very much to become an imperial people - that is, the first category. But there is not enough, no, not a mind, not enough historical wisdom to understand that the imperial people cannot be lower than their own colony. Therefore, the only result of the efforts of the Selyuk in embroidered shirts is the oppression of the city and lowering to its own level.
          And the Gumilyov Chimera, is from another opera.
          1. avt
            avt 5 May 2016 10: 06
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            I would call it pseudo empire.

            laughing Slaves of embroidered women jumping in search of a good host in the EU and USA gctdlj bvgthbz! ?? laughing
            Quote: Pereira
            And the Gumilyov Chimera, is from another opera.

            Yes, in fact, the same place is the same - Kuyaba, which Oleg declared the RUSSIAN city to capture her son Ryurik for Igor and kill the rulers of Askold and Dir, and besides, the new kid laid three kilometers away from the old myst, so the words of the opera are the same .
            Quote: cniza
            it is necessary to solve this problem.

            Quote: Alexey-74
            This is understandable, but how?

            request History shows that this problem can be solved from the time of Oleg to Andryusha Bogolyubsky only by forceful capture of Kiev by the squads of the cities north of him. Andryusha’s truth was tired of all this canoe, especially after the poisoning of Yury Dolgoruky, he burned Kiev, having previously given it to rob the squad for three days, yes the Kiev table moved to Vladimir, then he moved to Moscow. Of course, in case of the Turkish threat and as it was already, you can buy Kiev from the Poles, well, as in 1668. But for this at least the Poles should be given at least concrete dust. wassatAnd this is actually a war with all of NATO, and money is a pity. laughing
            1. ver_
              ver_ 6 May 2016 11: 48
              0
              ..not fit - Bogolyubsky lived when Jura was still not even close in the project ..
          2. V.ic
            V.ic 5 May 2016 11: 47
            +2
            Quote: Pereira
            Not really a chimera. I would call it a pseudo empire.

            Unfortunately you "did not understand". I give a quote: "Zealous Russia and the Great Steppe" "56. Why did not a chimera arise in Russia?"
            "Two ethnic groups, belonging to different super-ethnic groups, lived in the same area, as if permeating each other. This is a chimera." Our geopolitical opponents use the knowledge given by our scientists against us.
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 5 May 2016 20: 16
              0
              In this case, the chimera appeared in Russia. A bunch of piercing superethnos. You are very easy to handle terms without getting into the gist.
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 7 May 2016 11: 18
            0
            I have already written about new nations, but I will repeat myself. The greatness of a nation in its history. If a nation proves its identity for thousands of years, then it is great. She has proven her resilience over the centuries, at the cost of the lives of many millions of her sons. It is all the more strange to see the ridiculous attempts of various representatives of the new "peoples". And about Gumilyov, he wrote not about the nation, but about individuals, whom he called passionaries.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 5 May 2016 08: 38
        +5
        There are many classifications of psychological types, some of which are scientific, others are not very, but quite accurate. For example, this: Biotics, necrophiles, gavnyuki and neither that nor that.
        Creator biotics, they improve everything around them and decorate life
        Necrotic consumers, they would have to bend everyone, tear off the bees' wings, mock at someone who is weaker.
        Gavnyuki, there is nothing to discuss. Small schemers, smiling, spit in the back, something to stain, break just like that, that's all of them.
        Neither gray mice, they lived a day and okay. Depending on the situation, they behave like the two previous types, not creators.
        To whom do we attribute the Ukrainians, who are so stubbornly destroying the state and destroying fellow tribesmen in the Donbass?
      3. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 5 May 2016 09: 03
        +2
        Ukraine - honestly ... got it. Already think a sinful thing, if not ours (Russian), then let it be what they deserve .... a division into several territories ... and let them boil in their own city .... not, soon everyone will forget about them (let them even speak Polish, even in Hungarian, in his own language, etc.)
      4. Weyland
        Weyland 5 May 2016 22: 42
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        he still forgot the fourth species, individuals are an exception - Ukrainians


        Gumilyov spoke about Ukrainians, and not bad:
        "When a Ukrainian gets smarter - he becomes Russian!"
        By the way, Gumilyov’s mother - ethnic Ukrainian (maiden name Gorenko) and famous Russian a poetess who, EMNIP, did not write a single poem in the "ridnaya mov"!
      5. Weyland
        Weyland 5 May 2016 22: 42
        0
        Quote: Finches
        he still forgot the fourth species, individuals are an exception - Ukrainians


        Gumilyov spoke about Ukrainians, and not bad:
        "When a Ukrainian gets smarter - he becomes Russian!"
        By the way, Gumilyov’s mother - ethnic Ukrainian (maiden name Gorenko) and famous Russian a poetess who, EMNIP, did not write a single poem in the "ridnaya mov"!
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 May 2016 06: 30
      +20
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Another forcing.

      I do not see any pressure. The author is very neat and cautious, even talking about the role of language in the modern world. And the question concerns not only Ukraine, it is necessary to look at the problem much more broadly. Here, Ukraine is only a special case. In general, you still need to think about this issue.
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      5 May 2016 07: 19
      +13
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Another forcing.


      What is the discharge? These are only tendencies of madness and a disease of lost identity.
      What is the discharge? What has once again removed the mask from Ukrainian nationalism, the essence of which is the struggle with Russia, and for other cultures they are completely open and ready for assimilation?
      What is the discharge? What I wrote three years ago, long before the Maidan, that in my 95% Russian-speaking city Russian-speaking Russophobes dominate, I also wrote here in the comments that I am a provocateur and that Bandera will be thrown with caps !?

      I just show the trends and the next shift in the consciousness of Ukrainian society.

      Comment to me from the past, article: In Ukraine, almost no Russian people are younger than 30 years. Only facts

      In Ukraine, if we take out the city of Sevastopol, there is not a single Russian person who is less than 30 years old and who confidently position herself ethnically and spiritually Russian at a public or everyday level. Argue?


      Apostle
      Wow, wow, easier ... I am Russian, born in Belgorod, positioning myself as RUSSIAN, although I live in Kharkov more than 15 years, I often go to my hometown, I will soon return to my Homeland, and I don’t have 30 .. Like me in Ukraine Thousands, I know this firsthand, as I spent a huge amount of time in the Russian consulate, at registration of citizenship, an article is nonsense, it seems that some Ukrainian Natsik that calls himself a patriot wrote it! In Ukraine, more than you think, all Russian Eastern Ukraine is positioning itself with Russia, and believes Thu sooner or later it will come back under the wing of the Empire, and the fact that you hear only the cries of a handful of pseudo-patriots who not only do not reflect reality and distort it so it's just you minus..vprochem like your article.


      Why Kharkov merged, we read:

      http://stockinfocus.ru/2014/09/25/v-poiskax-vakciny-ishhem-prichiny-zabolevaniya
      /

      Kharkov. The first capital of the USSR. The second city by population in Ukraine. As in one of his interviews, President Yanukovych, who escaped, said: “Kharkiv is a city of working intelligentsia”. And I’ll add from myself - and not only labor.
      The fact that education has always been the hallmark of Kharkov at all times has played a fatal role in the resistance of this city. Crowds of university graduates with a "pink" vision of the world, Western civilization and love for the project Ukraine did not allow expanding the traditional base of resistance among students on the Russian vector side.

      With all due respect to the industrial potential of Kharkov, the weather, he almost does in the city. But even that could have been a blind eye, if Kharkov had had what Donetsk had - industrial and urban agglomeration around the city. After all, the same Donetsk almost reached Dnepropetrovsk in terms of the level of influence of the financial and banking sector and just the office-consumer class in the city !!!

      Take away purely mono industrial and depressed cities from Donetsk - Gorlovka, Makeevka, Enakievo and others, and Donetsk will start painting benches and toilets in yellow-blue color! This is not a fantasy, - this is the reality of the regional administration as of May and April, where 80% who took by storm were from small and medium-sized cities of Donbass.
    4. Homo
      Homo 5 May 2016 08: 10
      0
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Another forcing.

      A statement of another insanity!
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 5 May 2016 08: 21
      -7
      And what about the fact that in the suburbs earn two Polish channels? If you run a couple of French channels in Russia, then it turns out that they are frenching us? laughing
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        5 May 2016 08: 27
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        And what about the fact that in the suburbs earn two Polish channels? If you run a couple of French channels in Russia, then it turns out that they are frenching us? laughing


        What a primitive simplification. French channel relay in every city of the Russian Federation? Does French have a similarity to Russian on 45%? How Ukrainian with Polish? Do Russian schools teach about French 24? In Russia, all the TV channels broadcast in about French? Near France ponad Usa! Glory Around France! Do you understand your inappropriate humor? Or should you chew everything in kindergarten? fool Or Russia Algeria for France?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 May 2016 08: 49
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          . The French channel is relayed in each city of the Russian Federation? F

          I don’t know about everyone, but I have three channels of foreign - French, German and Korean. I don’t watch them and I don’t have **** whether they are or not. I don’t attach any importance. In Ukraine, too, without knowing Polish, they won’t watch it.
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            5 May 2016 09: 21
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But it will be the same in Ukraine, without knowing Polish, they will not watch it.


            Alexander, I do not agree with you. Polish many understand, who know Ukrainian well. This is another jumper in the mind.
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            2. siberalt
              siberalt 5 May 2016 10: 04
              +2
              We had such a humorous program back in the USSR - "Zucchini 13 chairs", where they sang in Polish and used Polish speech. I'm afraid "Nevsky _ZU" looking at it would go crazy. laughing
              It’s not at all what you can see and hear, but in your own cockroaches in your head fool
            3. avt
              avt 5 May 2016 10: 20
              +2
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              th. Many understand Polish, who knows Ukrainian well. This is another jumper in the mind.

              I do not agree with only one
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              . This is another jumper in the mind.

              Fundamentally! If there was any next - half trouble and the blocking could be broken. This is quite consistent since the active phase of the Russian genocide in Austro-Hungary since 1914. When the creation of the Great Ukr nation entered an active phase with the genocide of the Moalorrossians in general, even from historical memory, with everything turned upside down - now the Ragul zapadensia with a language created so that the slaves of the master understood from Austrian, Hungarian and Polish words, became free people ", and the Little Russians - a rebellious Slavic tribe that fought against this for times with weapons in their hands, are declared" slaves " request So you are ACCELERATING in the implementation of the program the reprogramming of consciousness, taken for a jumper - blocking. That's something like that the sinful Az sees this, namely, as an acceleration of the process.
              1. EvgNik
                EvgNik 5 May 2016 11: 15
                +1
                Quote: avt
                So you ACCELERATE in the implementation of the program of the reprogramming of consciousness, taken as a jumper - lock

                Nevsky has a bridge not in the sense of blocking, but precisely in the sense of accelerating reprogramming. Maybe he phrased it a little bit, but that's how I understood it. Although you are right about something.
                1. Nevsky_ZU
                  5 May 2016 11: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  Quote: avt
                  So you ACCELERATE in the implementation of the program of the reprogramming of consciousness, taken as a jumper - lock

                  Nevsky has a bridge not in the sense of blocking, but precisely in the sense of accelerating reprogramming. Maybe he phrased it a little bit, but that's how I understood it. Although you are right about something.


                  Yes, exactly, the bridge in other words. I am not a techie. repeat
            4. andj61
              andj61 5 May 2016 10: 55
              +4
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Many understand Polish, who knows Ukrainian well. This is another jumper in the mind.

              And when you consider that in the early 90s, very many Ukrainians went to Poland to work ...
              Less, of course, than to Russia, but these were also decent.
              A good friend of mine - originally from the Luhansk region, lives in Kharkov, is a Ukrainian himself, but the Ukrainian for him - the "village" version of Russian - went to Poland several times to work. She says that within a week you begin to understand Polish almost completely - as soon as you get used to their hissing accent.
              So, I think that you, Vyacheslav, are completely right.
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 5 May 2016 09: 42
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It will be the same in Ukraine, not knowing Polish, they will not watch it.


            In order not to understand Polish, it is necessary not to know Ukrainian at all, which Nevsky_ZU is trying to convey to us.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            What a primitive simplification.

            Vyacheslav, simplify to impossibility! A very ancient joke:
            Dark Ukrainian night, the son shouts to his father:
            - Tattoo! Tattoo! Damn lise at the hut !!!
            Father waking up:
            - Not bida, sinku, abi not m.o.skal !!!
            1. Lankaster
              Lankaster 5 May 2016 11: 20
              +1
              Quote: Dym71
              In order not to understand Polish, it is necessary not to know Ukrainian at all, which Nevsky_ZU is trying to convey to us.

              I know Ukrainian (Poltava region), but I don’t understand Polish at all
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 5 May 2016 11: 39
                +1
                Quote: Lankaster
                I know Ukrainian (Poltava region), but I don’t understand Polish at all


                In November 2013 I started visiting Ukrainian sites, I used Yandex translator, now I understand Ukrainian TV without any problems. I try to read and write in Polish http://www.defence24.pl/wojsko-polskie with a Yandex translator who does not translate everything, but knowing the Latin alphabet to understand the words and understand their meaning is not at all difficult, there would be a desire. hi

                An entertaining question for you, how the question will sound from Polish (for example, about an accident) - "who knocked?" wink
                1. andj61
                  andj61 5 May 2016 12: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Dym71
                  an animation question for you, how will the question sound from Polish (for example, about an accident) - "who knocked?"

                  good hi Really entertaining - like - Ctor farted!
                  1. Dym71
                    Dym71 5 May 2016 12: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: andj61
                    Really entertaining - like - Ctor farted!


                    Greetings, namesake hi
                    This question sounds the same in Polish and Russian smile
                2. Weyland
                  Weyland 5 May 2016 23: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Dym71
                  knowing the Latin alphabet to understand the words and understand their meaning is not at all difficult, it would be a desire.


                  That's it: on the letter guessing that rząd is a "row" (also "order") is pretty easy, but try aurally to understand that jond - it's a row!
                  In my youth I studied Polish for the sake of interest, so I know:
                  on the one hand, as in that joke, "house", "brother", "army" really coincide, but on the other hand, there is a coincidence exactly the opposite: freak = beauty, mug (or gun) = rose, remember = forget, zapamyatovach = remember laughing
                3. Weyland
                  Weyland 5 May 2016 23: 11
                  0
                  Quote: Dym71
                  knowing the Latin alphabet to understand the words and understand their meaning is not at all difficult, it would be a desire.


                  That's it: on the letter guessing that rząd is a "row" (also "order") is pretty easy, but try aurally to understand that jond - it's a row!
                  In my youth I studied Polish for the sake of interest, so I know:
                  on the one hand, as in that joke, "house", "brother", "army" really coincide, but on the other hand, there is a coincidence exactly the opposite: freak = beauty, mug (or gun) = rose, remember = forget, zapamyatovach = remember laughing
              2. andj61
                andj61 5 May 2016 12: 11
                +1
                Quote: Lankaster
                I know Ukrainian (Poltava region), but I don’t understand Polish at all

                The Poltava dialect was just considered the standard of the melodious Ukrainian "nightingale" language. But as for Polish - a couple of weeks in a language environment - and you will not only understand, but also speak Polish. The words are very similar, but the dialect is completely different!
              3. cergey51046
                cergey51046 5 May 2016 22: 04
                0
                And they took me into the army in the Zhytomyr region, then I didn’t understand Ukrainian at all.
            2. cergey51046
              cergey51046 5 May 2016 22: 03
              0
              Wait a bit, everything will go back to square one. Now they are asking Valtsman to ban gas, then they will ask to ban electricity, then they will not be able to watch TV.
        2. kotvov
          kotvov 5 May 2016 12: 09
          0
          The French channel is relayed in each city of the Russian Federation? ,,
          generally broadcasts by telecom. but Polish, even two Polish, I don’t even know how to help them. Imagine that Svidomo after the races came and began to watch Polish films strenuously. All this is muddy.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 5 May 2016 10: 15
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        And what about the fact that in the suburbs earn two Polish channels? If you run a couple of French channels in Russia, then it turns out that they are frenching us?

        Well, even based on the fact that the Poles consider the Lviv region to be primordially Polish land and claim to return it to their jurisdiction, the launch of broadcasting of Polish channels in this territory is one of the steps to reformat the consciousness of the population living on it. A simplified version of obtaining Polish passports has been established for them. For the same purpose, the Poles are preparing documents for the restitution of Polish property now in the possession of the Ukrainians. So dear "sibiralt" everything is much more serious than you think.
        And yet, yes, with the French, we have no territorial disputes or even a common border. It’s difficult to make us French. However, people need a unifying State ideology that is prohibited by the Constitution.
        On Durkain, an ideology was chosen in the interests of one ethnic group to the detriment of others, a rejection of a common historical past and the glorification of "outright thugs" despite the fact that those who suffered from these scumbags are still alive, which, as we see, leads to the collapse of the state.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 5 May 2016 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Poles consider the Lviv region to be a primordially Polish land and claim to return it to their jurisdiction, the launch of broadcasting of Polish channels in this territory, one of the steps to reformat the consciousness of the population living there. A simplified version of obtaining Polish passports has been established for them. For the same purpose, the Poles are preparing documents for the restitution of Polish property now in the possession of the Ukrainians. So dear "sibiralt" everything is much more serious than you think.

          Agree to all 100 good Romania and Hungary act similarly - as a result, they will tear Ukraine to pieces in no hurry!
    6. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 09: 50
      +3
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Another forcing.

      laughing What? To whom? Where? The campaign is not letting go of the swine-eating thing that has been spread since 1991 - to leave the great criminals, who suddenly realized themselves as an ancient and great nation on the globe of Ukraine, alone, more will the market regulate everything? Well, look at the result in Donbass and Lugansk.
      Quote: Militon
      The villagers have a void in their head. Racing, rushing back and forth. Well, their all-consuming ideology does not grow together.

      No. Everything of the Raguli has grown together. Rather, they all grew up as they wanted from the time of the creation of the great ukras by Austro-Hungarians.
      So, the launch of Polish television channels in Polish, which also has a proximity to the Ukrainian language, especially to the Galician “govirka”, is not a threat to the complete disappearance of the Ukrainian language?
      It is not, or rather the fact that WE understand the Ukrainian language and what I myself heard in Soviet times, having traveled from Ternopil through Kiev to Moscow - two practically different languages. So the eastern dialect, the very same - "nightingale" and in the same Kuban, which is close to Russian, will be supplanted and 70-80 percent filled with Polish. Naturally, while maintaining the status quo in Kiev's possession. This Zapadensky surzhik was formed as the language of the raguli for understanding the owner's orders, excluding such borrowing of Austrian and Polish words, so that the pollination will fall on the fertile soil, manicured by the previous generation of raguli. as the forage base narrows and the ruins turn from an industrial country not even into an agrarian one, but this will not be possible, and you can believe or not believe, it is enough to look at Greece and Bulgaria, there will be an agro donor. Including the supply of stews to the EU. So they are in a personal relationship. they will certainly begin to carry out everything from how the "sovereign" individual owns, to the place of birth of the true velikoukra. Yes, in fact, they immediately began to find out at the household level after the Maydaun and upload videos to the Internet. Then it will be fun with the current Russian-speaking Nazis, who will instantly become Untermensch by birth laughing and rightly Ivanov do not remember kinship. And ragulam - the lads are on the right track! Firm gait under the pan's trunk. laughing Well, it’s not in vain that you grow tails on your head - he knows the tail exactly where to grow from.
    7. Cripple cross
      Cripple cross 5 May 2016 10: 18
      0
      Nitsche did not understand except that the embroidered shirt drowned, the apples crumbled and rotted. Yes, she vanged! wassat
      But the clip is beautiful.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 May 2016 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: CrippleCross
        But the clip is beautiful.

        Especially the end. Embroidered swept away with the flow. It’s also symbolic.
    8. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 5 May 2016 10: 59
      0
      But didn’t you just try to live, work, rejoice at your successes, the successes of your neighbors? Or do you have to politicize society, show him the enemy, blame him for your troubles? You just got such studies already, would you rather write about life in Russia, about construction which are being conducted, about the life of the village .... Until 2013, you called Ukrainians brothers, but now what has changed?
      1. avt
        avt 5 May 2016 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Dimon19661
        .... Until 2013, you called Ukrainians brothers, but now what has changed?

        Returned from a flight to a neighboring galaxy? wassat I don’t know about you, but to me the nits for which the SS Hauptsturfuhrer Shukhevych, whose subordinates burned people alive in Khatyn and the graduate of the NSDAP party school Bandera are not brothers precisely and not only in Ukraine, the same as Okara and the like in Russia too.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 May 2016 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: Dimon19661
        Until 2013, you called Ukrainians brothers, but now what has changed?

        What they said is that we are not brothers to them. Note - not us, but they.
  2. Victor jnnjdfy
    Victor jnnjdfy 5 May 2016 05: 50
    +10
    In the Grodno region on local radio, the full equality of the Belarusian / Russian / Polish languages. But there are many local Poles ...

    In Ukraine, after the Volyn massacre, local Poles rushed to Poland en masse (Lviv, for example, moved to the "primordially Polish" Wroclaw / Breslau). The main thing is to stay away from the zapadenskiye selyuk.

    Few Poles remained there. But the Euro-Ukrainian Hutsuls are anxiously awaiting that the Poles can return with documents to their land from 1923. And the Hutsuls have already "mastered" all this land, thanks to the Soviet Power.

    I think that for the Hutsul, Polish channels are a heavy reminder of the land (and not only land) issue ...
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
      In Ukraine, after the Volyn massacre, local Poles rushed to Poland en masse (Lviv, for example, moved to the "primordially Polish" Wroclaw / Breslau). The main thing is to stay away from the zapadenskiye selyuk.
      There are few Poles left.

      The reason for the outcome is not only the "land issue", but the historically tested and entrenched in the mentality of the outrageous cruelty of "Westerners" - Galicians and Hutsuls, escheat Romanians and non-Hungarians: this very "peaceful-patriarchal-rural" population, raguli - in relation to those whom they consider "outsiders"!
      The Bolton clan (Game of Thrones - or "Game of Thrones" in Russian) - nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 6 May 2016 00: 40
      +1
      But the Euro-Ukrainian Hutsuls are anxiously awaiting that the Poles can return with documents to their land from 1923. And the Hutsuls have already "mastered" all this land, thanks to the Soviet Power.


      So these Hutsuls were given to you? Have you ever seen one alive? Little Carpathian people (or subethnos), with their own Slavic language, original folk music, archaic mythology. What did they do wrong to you? Or are you all Svidomo automatically recorded in the Hutsuls after the clip Ruslana?

      The Poles, by the way, with all their Russophobia, are more willing and kinder to respond when they are addressed in Russian. Maybe they just understand better? For me it was amazing.

      Poles collect documents for property by the way, somehow drank with one Pole who specially arrived in Lviv rummaging through the archives. The Polish government pays them some compensation if they prove that the ancestors lost some property in Western Ukraine. I forgot whether 10 or 50% of the cost (the question is still what value)
      1. Victor jnnjdfy
        Victor jnnjdfy 6 May 2016 07: 18
        0
        I answer. Wife from Ivano-Frankivsk. We rested in the Carpathians. Having an idea of ​​the Polish, Ukrainian and German languages, he could communicate with the Hutsuls (even attended their national holiday in the village of Verkhovyna).

        In 2012, the Russians came to the Hutsul region with money to rest, and the Poles with documents to the land. The older generation of Hutsuls (with whom I spoke) and the Soviets and Bandera were up to the dupes. But zemlyatse ...

        By the way, during the Polish hour, the Hutsuls burned Polish males, and the Poles planted them. They lived so much fun ... And then WWII started and it started. Even Hungarian warriors had to defend the Poles from the Hutsuls (there are still lemoks and fights there)
  3. Bramb
    Bramb 5 May 2016 05: 51
    +14
    In part, I understand the psychological fatigue of Russians, but they do not care what kind of territorial formation at the southwestern borders of Russia will be in 8-12 years?
    -----------------
    Of course not. Now Ukrainians are already happy to take up the hard work of 14 hours a day for 20 thousand. The vector on the outskirts is positive: soon millet will work this way for a bowl.
    The main thing is not to fraternize with them! Raise a dog like that - be sure to bite! Which is what happened. They genetically need a whip and a master, master. Therefore, they do not need to prove or explain anything. He opened his mouth - right in the teeth. Cattle should be afraid and respect their owner.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 07: 39
      +10
      Quote: Bramb
      The main thing is not to fraternize with them! Raise a dog like that - be sure to bite! Which is what happened.

      "... Pick him up from the ground, wash him off the dirt, feed him and cure him, dress him up, and - God forbid! - caress him! And you will go further on your way ... And he will catch up with you, and - from behind, a beggar, - by head with a club! ...
      Treating oneself well is mistaken for weakness; like a dog in a pack - either bite, or be bitten! .. "(C)
    2. sisa29
      sisa29 5 May 2016 09: 44
      0
      "Cattle should be afraid and respect their owner" And after such statements, how do you differ from the fascist-Bandera?
  4. pts-m
    pts-m 5 May 2016 06: 01
    +15
    Not very clear. Why does Russia always care about some peoples, except for its own living in Russia. This happened in the last century and at other times. In Soviet times, it was only heard about the "fraternal" republics, near and far, but the Russian Federation was not mentioned at all. As a result, these republics compete ... whoever spits more and tastier in Russia ... Hai they live as they want and relations should be built only on monetary calculations, and not on "fraternal" ones ... give it for free, but I will not let it spit and pour slop ...
    1. smith7
      smith7 5 May 2016 06: 59
      +3
      "Hai, they live as they want and relations should be built only on monetary payments, and not on" fraternal "ones ... give it for free, but if you don't, I'll spit and pour slop ..."

      This is the opinion that pro-Western propaganda wants to form in our heads. THEY are defeating us. They settled in us a "slave of the womb". And Russia "cares about some peoples all the time ..." If we dismiss this, then it will be the end in truth.
  5. Knowing
    Knowing 5 May 2016 06: 02
    +19
    recourse Tear out of context: "... everyone got tired of Ukraine, tired of the topic of Ukraine ...", - your truth, the author. All the rest "I collected in boxes and bins".
  6. a housewife
    a housewife 5 May 2016 06: 18
    +10
    Well, I don’t know about the dog ... My dog ​​obeys me because I feed it, scratch it behind my ear, and talk. He was even small and didn’t understand the teams, he didn’t teach with a whip. About Ruslana’s songs. Ukrainian? What is Ukrainian in them, besides the language? Paganism is continuous. She once told herself that after her concert, some grandfather came up and said that they were doing demonic motives, so her health was shaken. And she really felt bad. She said that she won’t sing like that anymore. I don’t know how much further it was. And as for the Kuban wreaths - they all prove that the Kuban is Ukraine, and they will take it. First, let them take the moon. It is interesting what Ruslan is doing now. She went to Donetsk like she did, gave an interview that everything wasn’t the way it was on their TV set. And where is she now. And what sings?
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 5 May 2016 07: 49
      +5
      Quote: housewife
      About Ruslana’s songs. Ukrainian? What is Ukrainian in them, besides the language? Paganism is continuous. She once told herself that after her concert, some grandfather came up and said that they were doing demonic motives, so her health was shaken. And she really felt bad. She said that she won’t sing like that anymore.

      On the promise of the uploaded video, I watched another couple of Ruslana's videos ...
      So what ... It's a matter of bad taste, of course, but these songs are nothing more than a "pagan rock band", the rhythm is the imposition of dissonances on the normal rhythms of the brain and heartbeats (artificially induced bradycardia)! Yes, and she herself - well, dark-haired, thin and badly washed gypsy-romanian-hungarian ... khokhlushka?
      ... Although - a matter of taste! ... perverted ...
    2. Erg
      Erg 5 May 2016 08: 04
      +3
      In general, the video made me feel like a low professional vinaigrette. The hummer was simply not appropriate in it (from the "artistic" side). But this is only at first glance. The jeep actually symbolized "alignment with the United States." Even then it was ...
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        5 May 2016 08: 13
        +3
        Quote: Erg
        But this is only at first glance. In fact, the jeepik symbolized "alignment with the United States." Even then it was ...


        Bingo! Exactly! Think correctly. Americanism was the "sister" of Galician culture. Hence, such sacrifices among Russian-speaking consumers, businessmen and simply traders and landlords! (Odessa, as a resort-shopkeeper, unfortunately, it was bloody on the second attempt, but it did. Dnepropetrovsk, the city of Russian-speaking offices and centers, grabbed the village embroidery as a ticket to Europe, but Kharkov, as a city of students, is just in captivity students of the "Pink World" and "Khutoryansky", plus the football movement. Kiev under the Raguli who populated it for 20 years. Donetsk was held by oligarchs, but they could not keep working agglomerations, satellite cities of Donetsk, 100-300 thousand population in each Therefore, there Russian-speaking office hamsters could not cope with quilted jackets and capitulated.
  7. Eragon
    Eragon 5 May 2016 06: 36
    +9
    What is happening in Ukraine in the cultural space? Or am I just blowing on water, not milk?

    It's hard to judge from the couch. But every year I visit Ukraine, my mother lives there. So, satellite dishes in every second family, and not since yesterday, but not less than a dozen years. That is, there are no problems with viewing Russian, and indeed any channels, there for a long time. Another question is how Ukrainians themselves evaluate information.
    and as an argument they say that there are no purely Russian quarters in America and Paris, and Russian is quickly becoming local in the second generation

    And this is very interesting. What about the notorious Brighton Beach? Every major American city has a Russian quarter. My wife walked around Brighton - not a single inscription in English caught my eye. Of course they were, but in small print. And also all the police patrolling there required fluent in Russian. By the way, there really are no German or Austrian quarters, but there are Italian ones.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      5 May 2016 06: 51
      +3
      Eragon

      It's hard to judge from the sofa


      Well, actually, this is the wrong address. Now I just emigrated. Satellite dishes in Ukraine have become massively available only since 2005. Modern cable, only since 2002. Fast Internet since 2006. The last Russian channel ORT in free analogue broadcasting was turned off in Ukraine in 1994, replacing it with the Russian-language "Inter" type. In total, almost 7-8 years was enough to form the concept of "Political nation", and from there the preferences for filtering information in the future. Read my article "How was formed the Ukrainian political nation. Eyewitness"

      . And the notorious Brighton Beach is what? In any major American city there is a Russian quarter. Wife walked around Brighton - not a single inscription in English caught my eye


      Here perhaps with you in part I agree. But I would note for my part that Brighton is more a Russian-language center for people from all over the USSR. But the discussion is always open on this issue.

      By the way, there really are no German or Austrian quarters, but there are Italian ones.


      Southern European nations are more agrarian, although they have learned to do well Ferrari (Northern Italy)
      1. andj61
        andj61 5 May 2016 11: 01
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Southern European nations are more agrarian, although they have learned to do well Ferrari (Northern Italy)

        That's it, that the north is a keyword. And northern Italy was a commercial and industrial region almost a millennium before today. So this is just an exception, only confirming the rule.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 6 May 2016 00: 44
          0
          Quote: andj61
          And northern Italy was a commercial and industrial region almost a millennium before today.


          What is so small? wink Over the millennium before christmas ! Both the Este culture and the Etruscan culture appeared soon after the so-called. "Catastrophes of the Bronze Age", from which the Greeks remembered only the episode of the "Trojan War" - both the Veneti and the Etruscans moved to Northern Italy from Asia Minor, where metallurgy and metalworking were at their best.
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      2. Eragon
        Eragon 5 May 2016 11: 25
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Eragon

        It's hard to judge from the sofa


        This is me to myself smile
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        But I note for my part that Brighton is more a Russian-language center for immigrants from all over the USSR.

        And this is overseas confirmation that there are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, but there are Russians living in (in) different geographical or state territories.
        1. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2016 20: 13
          0
          Quote: Eragon
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          But I note for my part that Brighton is more a Russian-language center for immigrants from all over the USSR.
          And this is overseas confirmation that there are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, but there are Russians living in (in) different geographical or state territories.

          good A small addition - to the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians more Jews must be added! bully This is especially true in terms of Brighton.
        2. atalef
          atalef 5 May 2016 20: 31
          +1
          Quote: Eragon
          And this is an overseas confirmation that there are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, but there are Russiansliving in (in) different geographical or state territories.

          This is from the series, I have never been to Brighton, but I know everything about him. laughing
          Try to name the Ukrainian (who left in the 70s) - Russian. laughing
          It is very likely that you will begin to study the geography of the pavement.
          1. andj61
            andj61 5 May 2016 20: 37
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            This is from the series, I have never been to Brighton, but I know everything about him.
            Try to name the Ukrainian (who left in the 70s) - Russian.
            It is very likely that you will begin to study the geography of the pavement.

            Hello Alexander!
            And when you consider that 90 percent of Ukrainians who left that way in the 70s, especially those who settled in Brighton, were Jews ... But in the states of all - Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, and even Uzbeks - they still somehow consider Russians ... request Mysterious country! fellow
            1. atalef
              atalef 5 May 2016 20: 47
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              Hello Alexander!

              Hey . Andrei!!
              Quote: andj61
              And when you consider that 90 percent of Ukrainians who left that way in the 70s, especially those who settled in Brighton, were Jews ..

              No, in the 70s Jews left as Jews (it was easier) I still believe that Ukrainians left as Jews, but certainly not vice versa
              Quote: andj61
              But in the states of everyone - both Russians, and Ukrainians, and Jews, and even Uzbeks, for some reason they still consider Russians.

              They consider Russian (Americans) - this is understandable because for them and the USSR was - Russia, but no one has canceled self-identification.
              So, Ukrainians of the 70s, terry ultranationalists (anti-Semites - certainly Russophobes) - do not try to call them Russian, at best - they will explain, in the worst - the eye will swell.
              I’m talking about a gulk in an evening restaurant, everything is already on ointments - spiritual bonds and chakras - are open. wink
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 5 May 2016 21: 03
            +1
            Well, that person who was everywhere everywhere made him happy by his appearance on this branch, thanks to which he knows everything laughing directly, Yuri Senkevich and Valentin Zorin in one bottle! Now we will see how the illusions of the dark and the orphans collapse.
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      4. Orionvit
        Orionvit 7 May 2016 10: 59
        0
        A hundred years ago, they did not even know such a word - Ukrainian. How did these young "nations" get it? Honora, like the ancient Egyptians.
  8. Gray brother
    Gray brother 5 May 2016 06: 39
    +10
    Lviv is a Polish city.
  9. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 5 May 2016 06: 56
    +7
    How do the classics, deaf blind people, lead to the cliff? .... this is from the series, to spite grandmother, I will frostbitten my ears. An acquaintance of mine, himself from Ivano-Frankivsk, called after Easter and in a conversation hesitated at nothing: And we have long been living more decently than in Europe, and I go to work in Russia. So who will be there "kamandyr" in 404 is not the point , and these will go to work in Russia, because the psheks will remember them with a mustache ... these are the pies with kutyaty comrades ...
  10. nivander
    nivander 5 May 2016 07: 00
    +12
    The anthems of the states speak very strongly about the nature of the peoples inhabiting them. Listen to the proud anthem of the Russian Federation "Russia is great, people are cool, we live in swarms, and soon everything will be great" - or the pretentious anthem of the Americans "Our banner strewn with stars, and we ourselves are cool, yes and God is with us, too, such things. "And now the hymns of the pshek and hukhlov, that" the puppy has died ", that" the Polish has not died yet "are more like funeral sonnets. PS in huhlohimne especially welcomes the line" from soon we will become PANAMI! "
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 5 May 2016 08: 18
      +3
      Zapanuєm, brother mi
      At your side.

      We will rule as well, brothers,
      In my land.

      "Zapanuєm" - "we will dominate"
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 5 May 2016 10: 20
        +4
        Quote: Knizhnik
        Zapanuєm, brother and miU our side. We, brothers, will rule in our land. "Zapanuєm" - "we will rule"

        Yeah .... Done)))
        The Maidan chant - "Pull the stranger, here is the master Ukrainian!", Led to the trough of state power a bunch of foreign ministers and political crooks from Georgia and the Baltic states!
    2. Winter cherry
      Winter cherry 5 May 2016 08: 56
      0
      Here, this is the essence of all khokhlov-zapanovat. Near Kharkov one villager boasted that some newcomers addressed her as "panna". In Russia, "mistress" and "master" somehow do not take root in everyday life. ))))
      1. Lens
        Lens 5 May 2016 09: 27
        +2
        But in the land is OWN ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 5 May 2016 21: 03
          0
          Quote: Lens
          But in the land is OWN ...

          Who?
          There, in that "OWN" land, nowadays everyone is in charge, from mattress mats with Europeans to Georgians with the Balts.
          The people of Urkain are only allowed to "die" over the cauldrons for the interests of the "hegemon."
      2. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 5 May 2016 09: 45
        +2
        As for the political position of the author of the text of the hymn, it is clear:

        Oh, Bogdan, Bogdan,
        Our glorious hetman!
        Why gave Ukraine
        pit bad ?!

        But I'm not talking about that. I am only trying to clarify the translation, and no more.
        Do you disagree with the translation or with the desire to "pan in your own land"? Can you explain please.
        1. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2016 11: 09
          0
          Quote: Knizhnik
          Do you disagree with the translation or with the desire to "pan in your own land"? Can you explain please.

          And what - absolutely ALL will "pan"? And in this case, it seems like it is not necessary to work ... request Or work for them! - will there be someone else?
          Actually, this anthem is a tracing of the Polish anthem Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła, but there is nothing about "panic" - and not close! Maximum - "everything that is taken away by the enemy's power,
          we will return the saber. "
          1. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 5 May 2016 11: 50
            +1
            "We will rule in our own land" means "we will rule ourselves", i.e. without the Russians, it seemed to me obvious. The text is generally anti-Russian. And you interpret it as "we will all be bar", i.e. landlords smile
            Vicki writes that the author really took the first line from the Poles, but in general was inspired by a Serbian song.
            1. andj61
              andj61 5 May 2016 12: 19
              +4
              Quote: Knizhnik
              "We will rule in our own land" means "we will rule ourselves", i.e. without the Russians, it seemed to me obvious. The text is generally anti-Russian. And you interpret it as "we will all be bar", i.e. landlords

              This expression just means - we will all be panami, that is, bars! In Poland, the pans - that is, the nobles, the gentry, did not consider themselves equal with the common people at the genetic level. They considered themselves Sarmatians, and the people were equated with cattle, that is, with cattle. And "zapanovati" means precisely to become panami - and nothing more! And there were no Russians - in the modern sense - by the time this anthem was created in central and western Ukraine at all. But until the end of the 19th century, almost all those who are now called Ukrainians considered themselves Russians, or rather, Russian, and the name "Ukrainian" was perceived no more than other parts of the Russian people - Pomors, Cossacks, Chaldons, etc.
              Once I asked my great-grandfather why our surname ends in "o" and is recorded in Russian passports? And he, who was born in the 19th century, replied that we are all Orthodox Russians, and the Bolsheviks invented Ukrainians and Belarusians, they did not exist before. We were called kh about hl a mi, but this is due to the fact that we belonged to the Cossack class, and the Oseledets is a distinctive feature of the Zaporozhye Cossack army - and nothing more!
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 6 May 2016 00: 11
              0
              In general, the national anthem is a proclamation of its state. And if the hymn is only about the past or the future, then the desirable qualities will be there. "We will be something there in the future, sometime there the strongest and most wonderful" - will be. In future. Tomorrow that never comes. "We will destroy the whole world of violence, ... and then ...". "Zapaneem" identity somewhere there. And: "kept by God ... So it was, so it is and it will always be so!"
  11. Number 17
    Number 17 5 May 2016 07: 12
    +13
    Normally, the article is laid out on the shelves. It was so I say as a resident of the Crimea who lived 23 years as part of Ukraine. Yes, indeed, they constantly spoke the Ukrainian language with TV, and tried to use literary rather than surzhik or govirki. But I understood that. But it was always unpleasant to hear that true Ukraine is Galicia. And while studying at the history department, I really felt like a bunch of books about Ukrainians appeared in the library. And it was planted. The Department of the History of Ukraine was the most popular and the Department of the History of Russia on the contrary. Honestly it was unpleasant. But time has put everything in its place.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      5 May 2016 07: 49
      +8
      Quote: number 17
      Normally in the article everything is laid out in shelves


      Thank you very much. I try. The moderators who often check my articles are already tired of the tautology and the red thread in all my articles. I am forced to repeat entire paragraphs in articles sometimes, because many often write the same thing in the comments, for example, about satellite dishes that give access to Russian channels and this is the problem of Ukrainian citizens themselves, why they don’t watch them in principle. I am forced to once again raise the topic of "Native information space and the window of opportunity 1995-2003" It was then that the Svidomo virus was introduced, and not even during the Yushchenko period. Then the idols of the local spill appeared, from favorite presenters to local sports and show business stars. And then when the Russian media became available again from the Internet to satellite with cable packages, they were in most cases on the remote control after channel 20. And this is a tragedy. In 1993-1995, my ancestors cried about the murder of Listyev, and about the events in Budenovsk ..., and then the problems and tragedies of Russian society ceased to interest them, they were kidnapped by Ukrainian TV. And when a plate with the Internet appeared in our house, Russian TV was viewed as entertaining, if there was nothing interesting in Ukrainian. Provincial news, became the main ... And what happened after 2014 ... it's generally a zombie lobotomy. Others write why this was not the case in Crimea and Donbass, and you also start repeating whole paragraphs in publications about the concepts of "industrial" mentality, the Black Sea Fleet as a vaccine "," The bourgeois resort ideology of Odessa ". :-(
      1. black
        black 5 May 2016 09: 46
        +5
        I read your articles with interest. BUT. It seems to me that you have some kind of big brother complex. From the Soviet past. We owe nothing to anyone. And worry about the Polish channels in Ukraine, too, should not. In general, I can’t recall the country or people to which we Russians would be in a deep, moral debt. If there are any, please remind me. As for the Ukrainian youth, that has grown over the past quarter century. Are they orphans? Grew up without parents? They were brought up when the watchman Uncle Vasya, and when no one? Now many relatively sane residents of Ukraine are talking with us according to this scheme. 1. We have been deceived. 2. We are the same as you. 3. You could happen the same thing, but you have Putin. And in the context of paragraph 4. Help good people. I will not help. And I won’t let the children. And if near my children, there will appear representatives of an independent, with matrimonial plans, I will drive with a broom. And in the Donbass I saw Russians. Being Russian in Ukraine is like a religion. My friend, living in Ukraine, all this time, did not watch Ukrainian films. At all! Another constantly emphasized that he lives in Ukraine, but he is Russian. Where did I get such a negative attitude towards Ukrainians? Experience. Private. I made my conclusions. One Chinese warning from the moderators has already raped this conclusion. The basis of modern Ukraine is ideological parasitism. Accompanied by a complex of our own greatness and the holy faith that we SHOULD. War is the punishment of the Lord. Now, until she enters every Ukrainian house, until she sweeps dullness, cowardice and rashness from her mind ... There will be no sense.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          5 May 2016 10: 33
          +3
          Quote: black
          I read your articles with interest.


          Thank you smile

          It seems to me that you have some kind of big brother complex. From the Soviet past


          Personally, I have no complex. The USSR practically did not find it. If you are really reading my articles, you should know that I am exclusively raising the problem of the crisis of identity and self-identification of ethnic Russians directly, even non-Russian-speaking Ukrainians with the surname, for example, Kovalchuk and Shevchenko. I think this is important even for the Russians of Greater Russia. I have two friends left in Zaporozhye. One girl of my cousin, originally from Tver. Her parents, both paternal and maternal, are from there, but at the end of the 80s they moved to Ukraine - maidan to the bone. Social category - a landlord for vacationers on the Sea of ​​Azov. And, bourgeois ideology, the conductor of Svidomo. Another friend, due to family problems, moved in 2007 from St. Petersburg to Zaporozhye. Works in the field of intermediary state. services. Maidanutaya, transferred money to "Azov", and I can go on like this indefinitely. But there are also those who speak Russian badly, often even with a surzhik, but for Russia. Well, plus you are subjective in any case, because not your friends, relatives and acquaintances with colleagues at work went the roof. This is a tragedy for the small homeland. Aren't you wondering why ethnic Russians are so easily assimilated into the relatively friendly Slavic culture? To ignore this medical fact and not discuss it is to admit the risk of your own provincial thinking. Tomorrow the problem of the "Pomors" will not be theirs, but Arkhangelsk, etc.

          In general, I can not remember the country or the people to whom, we Russians would be in deep moral duty. If so, remind me, please.


          You owe nothing to anyone. If you carefully read the article, the question concerns the reduction of the natural Russian cultural area. You can spit, close at the border, but this is a medical fact. What are the risks for Russia and why not discuss it?

          Concerning Ukrainian youth that has grown over the past quarter century.


          The key mistake of many Russians in Russia. The fact of adoption. The fact that the big Russia in 1991 due to the fault of a handful of liberasts with Yeltsin retreated hundreds of kilometers to the East, this does not mean that they are Ukrainian youth. Just young carriers of Ukrainian passports of Russian-speaking regions. Like most regions of the RSFSR, and the industrial Ukrainian SSR silently met the fact 1991 of the year, dutifully, as the people of the sovereign. There at the top will understand. Of course there were those who shouted about the Second France, as were those who shouted about some republics in Russia, and not only in the Caucasus.
        2. Nevsky_ZU
          5 May 2016 10: 36
          +2
          Are they orphans? Grew up without parents? They were brought up when the watchman Uncle Vasya, and when no one?


          Personally, my parents in 90, changed jobs at work, and I was looking for metal with the guys at the dump. The Russian people, like sovereigns, trusted the state. Russian-speaking teachers with Russian surnames, in order not to lose their jobs, were taught according to the first Russian-language textbooks on the History of Ukraine, a little different story, where Soviet veterans are still heroes, but the UPA are no longer gangsters. In my memory, the history textbook 4 edited. In Russia, 90-x, parents gave their children to schools in purely Russian regions that submitted to Moscow, and not to some Ashgabat, they really gave a liberal history, whatever they wanted, which was bad, but with a taste of a different identity. And the parents themselves, too, survived. Feel the difference. Maybe in Tatarstan it was different, but I do not know.


          1. We were deceived.


          More like clichés than facts. Show me maydanutyh that repented in euromaidan 2014 of the year? I do not believe, they are stupidly silent about it and hide.

          We are the same as you.


          Anthropologically, yes. Especially residents of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye. Blond hair, white skin, light brown. And here's what's in their heads. Well, back to the issue of 1991, the school curriculum, television broadcasting, etc. Why did they not protest, and why did they protest in the Baltics, and why did they not evict from apartments as in the Baltic States, and why there is no nationality column in the passport of Ukraine, and if there was, so that it would give, localization or dissolution ?. And why the institute of "non-citizens" in the Baltics. And what does the concept of "Russian-speaking comfort zone" mean and what dangers does it pose?

          You could happen the same thing, but you have Putin


          By the way a fair argument. The fact that you mention it, but do not comment. This desire to level it, but not proudly answer. The question concerns the natural, historical, basicx Russian (maternal) state institutions, including spec. service.
          1. black
            black 5 May 2016 11: 54
            +3
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            that I exclusively raise the problem of the identity crisis and self-identification of ethnic Russians directly,

            In the history of Russia, there were ethnic Ethiopians, but Russians by nationality. This is a college course. Ethnicity is genetics. And nationality is determined by the cultural environment.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Just young carriers of Ukrainian passports of Russian-speaking regions.

            We look above.
            You are interested in the question WHY it happened? Once, a long time ago, a veteran explained to me what fascism is. Not the economic and political system, but fascism in the head of the fascist. Fascism is not when a person wakes up in the morning and realizes that he is the best. Not. Fascism is when a person believes that there are those who will always be worse than him and not worthy of being considered people. And nothing needs to be done for this. It is so simple. No need to learn, no need to work and suffer the torments of creativity. It’s enough to say to myself, for example, I’m Ukrainian. And immediately everyone becomes stupid slaves, quilted jackets and putinoids. And I am a representative of a bold, freedom-loving and invincible, and most importantly ancient, people.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            in the 90's, they changed jobs at work, and I was looking for metal of color with the boys

            And in the 90 year, I took the oath and began to serve my Fatherland.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            In my memory, the history book 4 times edited.

            Who! Migrants from the moon. Or their own, local, grown up during the times of Soviet totalitarianism. 90 years I recall with gratitude. Communist ideology died, and new programs in the social sciences did not have time to create. The teachers of the military school gave us what they considered necessary and useful, with all my heart and with all my talent. These basics have helped and are helping me, although how many years have passed.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            The fact that you mention it, not comment.

            I comment. Putin is not a wizard. It may seem that he conjured, and the Russians sat on the mound and meditated on the sunset. What we have was created by our labor, with our hands. And our hands, not only in the ground and in cement, but also in the blood of the enemies of our Fatherland.
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Why did they not protest, and why did they protest in the Baltics, and why did they not evict from apartments as in the Baltic States, and why there is no nationality column in the passport of Ukraine, and if there was, so that it would give, localization or dissolution ?. And why the institute of "non-citizens" in the Baltics. And what does the concept of "Russian-speaking comfort zone" mean and what dangers does it pose?

            There is a joke about love. While different nations speak beautifully of love, the Chinese silently do their job. There is what is. And we live now and draw conclusions for us today. I give lectures to the Cossacks in the summer. On different topics. From World War I to the history of Islam. But I end them, always, with one thought. Do not be lazy. Always draw your conclusions, always have your point of view.
      2. andj61
        andj61 5 May 2016 11: 20
        +1
        Thank you, Vyacheslav, for the article - very interesting. Yes, and responding to the comments of readers, you very well "chewed" your position. Totally agree with you. A small comment - and even then, apparently to the editor. There are flaws - in the phrase: "Are we today witnessing the birth of" New Croatia "(Greekcatalytic - still - Catholic), and a little lower - "Greco-katаlyric).
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          5 May 2016 11: 26
          0
          Quote: andj61
          Thank you, Vyacheslav, for the article - very interesting. Yes, and responding to the comments of readers, you very well "chewed" your position. Totally agree with you. A small comment - and even then, apparently to the editor. There are flaws - in the phrase: "Are we today witnessing the birth of" New Croatia "(Greekcatalytic - still - Catholic), and a little lower - "Greco-katаlyric).


          Thank you very much. Do not sin on the editors of the VO website, most likely they allowed an article without verification, because holidays. My jamb, I admit. hi
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 May 2016 07: 13
    +3
    allowed to broadcast two Polish channels in Ukraine

    Have you forgotten about Lithuanian or left it for dessert? After all, all of one field is a berry mixed in with the common bond of the "nation" - Russophobia.
  13. 1536
    1536 5 May 2016 07: 22
    +4
    The creeper is passed like a baton. I had a familiar Pole. Studied at the institute together. So here he is his dog - a German shepherd, exclusively taught teams in German. In Polish did not recognize. And the dog did not obey hearing Polish words. No, I’m not to the fact that she later ate it, but to the fact that language is a means of communication between people, and not a creep in front of someone. And the Russians in Ukraine were simply intimidated. Are we becoming a persecuted people?
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 May 2016 07: 35
    +9
    All right, the author says. Example please, remember who the Janissaries were. These were Russian, Ukrainian children, who were kidnapped and raised by the Turks. And they fought against their half-breeds even worse than the Basurmans themselves. Therefore, I think it is imperative to introduce a department or department of national education, not the name of the matter, but that we need to preserve our national identity.
    1. gorozhanka74
      gorozhanka74 5 May 2016 08: 06
      +1
      +100500 - I'm in favor !!!!!
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 May 2016 08: 50
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Example please, remember who the Janissaries were

      I remembered the analogue of the Janissaries - the Mamelukes (children of the peoples of the Caucasus and other peoples abducted by the Egyptians). I remember there was such a film, "Mameluk", as a child I watched several times.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 6 May 2016 00: 55
        0
        Quote: EvgNik
        children of the peoples of the Caucasus and other peoples abducted by the Egyptians


        Did the Egyptians get to the Caucasus? smile

        The difference is that Mamelukes just bought in slave markets (although they really prefer Caucasians), and the Janissaries are a product "tax blood "with vassal territories - which at one time was Ukraine, thanks to hetman Petro Poroshenko (sorry, Doroshenko - I always confuse them!) and Metropolitan of Kiev Joseph Tukalsky (to whom the false patriarch Filaret erected a monument for this feat)!
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    3. Lens
      Lens 5 May 2016 09: 29
      +1
      These were not Janissaries, but most likely Mamelukes. However, I do not pretend to historical authenticity.
    4. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 10: 37
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      These were Russian, Ukrainian children, who were kidnapped and raised by the Turks.

      Amendment, however - the Turks did not kidnap or capture anyone in cities and towns. It was a specific tax on the Christian lands conquered for the most part, which was regularly supplied by the administration of the territories, and usually from the local ones.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 5 May 2016 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: avt
        It was a specific tax on the Christian lands conquered in the bulk

        Correction to correction. When creating the corps of Janissaries, it was still created from Christian slaves, and then they moved on to what you said.
  15. Andrey K
    Andrey K 5 May 2016 08: 01
    +6
    Quote: Dimon19661
    Another forcing.

    And where did you see the injection? Having personally read this article, I saw a statement of facts and nothing more. Where to push it even further, in used Ukraine and without our help the nuts are tightened ... hi
  16. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 5 May 2016 08: 08
    +4
    According to Ukrainian leaders, there will be no harm from spreading the Polish language. Maybe. Is there any harm from Russian? In many countries of the world there are Russians who not only fluently speak local, but also have slightly forgotten their native language. There is a connection between language and national identity, but it is ambiguous. It is certainly desirable to know the state language, this makes life easier.
    We will analyze in more detail.
    There is clearly no harm from the Russian-speaking Ukrainians to the state with its current ideology - well, it doesn’t know today, it will learn tomorrow, since the desire is kind of a priori. For example, in Azerbaijan after the collapse of the USSR there were a lot of people who did not speak their native language at all. Thanks to opportunities and desire, now their number has significantly decreased, since almost everyone speaks conversationally (without loss of knowledge of Russian, I judge by myself). In our country, with the collapse of the Union, too, there were excesses, but fortunately they quickly came to their senses (Heydar Aliyevich, Allah may God rest you)
    Is there any harm from Russians who know Ukrainian? Or from those who do not know? The thing is how you feel about the state in which you live. You can respect him, being at least a Japanese or an Arab, and not respect either. So, the matter is in something else. And the fact is that through the Russian language there is a struggle with Russian identity, so that children or at least grandchildren already consider themselves to be someone else (yes even Poles).
    What for? Since the proclamation of independence, the number of people in Ukraine who consider themselves Russians and Ukrainians was approximately equal. In these conditions, making Ukraine an enemy of the Russian Federation, to put it mildly, is difficult. As a result, they decided to take measures for the "final solution of the Russian question." I do not use this formulation by chance, the methods of Hitlerite Germany are evident. Reinterpreting the words of action movie heroes, nothing personal, just politics.
    1. Lankaster
      Lankaster 5 May 2016 09: 50
      0
      Quote: Knizhnik
      So, the matter is in something else. And the fact is that through the Russian language there is a struggle with Russian self-consciousness, so that children or at least grandchildren already consider themselves to be someone else (yes even Poles).

      Does Russian have state language in Azerbaijan?
      1. Knizhnik
        Knizhnik 5 May 2016 10: 40
        +1
        Not. Why are you asking?
        1. Lankaster
          Lankaster 5 May 2016 11: 03
          +2
          I am trying to understand your logic. That is, if in Ukraine the Russian language does not have the status of a state language, then these are "the methods of Hitlerite Germany" and "the fight against Russian self-awareness." In Azerbaijan, the situation with the status of the Russian language is similar ...
          1. Knizhnik
            Knizhnik 5 May 2016 11: 42
            -2
            You attribute to me what I did not say. On the status of the language. On the contrary, he made a reservation: "It is certainly desirable to know the state language, it makes life easier," just meaning that all citizens of Ukraine, regardless of the nation, would be nice to know Ukrainian, since it is recognized as a state language, and there is no other way yet.
            The analogy with Azerbaijan is inappropriate in any way. As far as "methods" and "struggle" are concerned, do not think that nobody understands anything.
          2. andj61
            andj61 5 May 2016 12: 38
            +4
            Quote: Lankaster
            I am trying to understand your logic. That is, if in Ukraine the Russian language does not have the status of a state language, then these are "the methods of Hitlerite Germany" and "the fight against Russian self-awareness." In Azerbaijan, the situation with the status of the Russian language is similar ...

            There are very few native speakers of the Russian language in Azerbaijan. And in Ukraine and among Ukrainians, most of them speak only Russian even in everyday life. That's the whole difference. In Azerbaijan, after the well-known ones in the early 90s, the republic has turned into a mono-national one. And in Ukraine, in all cities, except for Galicia, no one spoke Ukrainian at all in everyday life. There was a joke with me in the 80s - in the Ukrainian magazine in the mid 80s there was an advertisement and an inscription - in Ukrainian - "syaivo embellishment". In Kharkov, in one institution, NOBODY among the Ukrainians was able to translate this. The next day, one girl said that she called her grandmother in the village and she translated - this is the "shine of jewelry"!
  17. nivander
    nivander 5 May 2016 08: 12
    0
    Psheks have always been someone's satellites, with the exception of the short historical periods of permanent civil war.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 5 May 2016 12: 08
      +1
      Something the Polish minister is somehow angry ... The smaller the country, the angrier the Minister of Defense.
  18. otter.1
    otter.1 5 May 2016 08: 28
    +2
    Another thing is ridiculous, I often look about the life of Russian-speaking truckers in America:
    "Who are you, Lyokha, from where, from Vinnitsa, and I am from Lvov, in short, all Russians" And so in 99% of conversations where did you come from, brother to America.
    There, without thinking, they identify themselves as Russians and do not feel any remorse about this. Apparently they don’t even think about nationality at this moment.
  19. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 5 May 2016 08: 38
    +1
    Soon they will declare the English language as FAMILY, dill jumping maidanuty, a species of animal that mutated during the Maidan in Ukraine, which you take from the wretched and orphans.
  20. GEV67
    GEV67 5 May 2016 09: 19
    +5
    Zadolbali already this nationalism. It would be better to have more articles on military subjects.
  21. Lankaster
    Lankaster 5 May 2016 09: 37
    +1
    Those who don’t know the Polish language will not watch these channels (like me, for example hi ). In general, the article is good, it makes you think ... You also need to stop using American Google and YouTube on the Internet, otherwise they "Americanize" people and make them lose their national identity wassat
  22. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 5 May 2016 09: 41
    +1
    Yes, do not care! Do not care! Let them even speak Farsi. The fact that Poland has views of a piece of Ukraine is understandable. Has, not only Poland, I must say. And that's for sure, not our concern. Southeast, this is our concern, the West, but go ... to Europe, in general.
  23. Forever so
    Forever so 5 May 2016 09: 43
    +1
    Well, the Poles then for the Volyn massacre must take revenge.
  24. shura7782
    shura7782 5 May 2016 09: 53
    +2
    In recent years, a lot of articles on a variety of topics have been devoted to the Ukrainian Higher Technical School. Now I read only by what I want to know when the forecast arising from similar articles and TV shows comes true that Ukraine will fall apart and be taken apart for parts. Perhaps the respected author of the article will take the liberty and be able to name, at least approximately, the year when this happens? I think that this will be interesting to discuss on the forum. In the meantime, I do not plus or minus.
    1. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 10: 42
      0
      Quote: shura7782
      . Perhaps the respected author of the article will take the liberty and be able to name, at least approximately, the year when this happens?

      I will answer instead of the author, he wants - he will say, well, do not rush to live - every step brings you closer to death. In the meantime, everything is going according to the schedule, which was explained to the great ukram at the beginning of their "glorious deeds" even here on the site at the beginning of standing on the maydaun, and many, by no means stupid local members of the forum replied like - yes never 1 You envy us, well, our revolution Although they warned that they would end up with full bloomers, of course, the trousers are not full yet. Life is not the Internet and we are not watching a movie - you cannot rewind or rewind in any way. Everything will be, everything. In time .... or And the ukry will speed up or slow down the process, no matter how paradoxical it may sound.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      5 May 2016 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: shura7782
      Perhaps, the distinguished author of the article will take the liberty and be able to name, at least approximately, the year when this will happen? I think that it will be interesting to discuss on the forum. In the meantime, I do not plus or minus.


      I am not an oracle or Rostislav Ishchenko. And I never wrote that Ukraine would fall apart. All my articles about Ukraine are related to how the "Ukrainian" culture in the Galician version first swallowed up the Little Russian (Poltava), and now devours the Russian (Novorossia) I am writing about the Svidomo virus. About how the world of farms conquers millions of Russian-speaking cities. Ukraine will either turn into Big Modavia, a la "New Croatia" ... or other players will decide its fate. Here are the first bells, Polish TV channels in free broadcasting. What is the purpose for what? We are discussing.
  25. avia12005
    avia12005 5 May 2016 10: 03
    +6
    Probably, many do not understand, especially those who were born and raised in Russia, that today's Ukraine is a testing ground for improving the methods of the collapse of Russia. And not only the training ground, it is a springboard, captured by the West to develop the success of the further attack on the Russians. Sit out will not work. It is a fact. I remember my native Kharkov in 60-s, 70-s as a Russian city. In 80, an active, principled process began to complete the eradication of everything Russian. Now he is not only ukroinizirovan, he is anti-Russian. No uprisings will be there. Unless they help. And do not help, with such an ostrich position, we get Maidan for children and grandchildren.
  26. Ignatius
    Ignatius 5 May 2016 10: 14
    +2
    Dear Igor Berkut, of course, observed the necessary political correctness in his interview (the sad example of Oles Buzina is still fresh in memory). However, an analysis of the modern structure of Ukrainian socio-ethnic groups gave true and impartial. The theme of creating a new Jerusalem on Ukrainian soil was touched upon by the region. It would be interesting to listen to an interview on this subject. My personal opinion is that not a new Jerusalem will succeed, but a new Khazar Khaganate.
  27. atamankko
    atamankko 5 May 2016 10: 28
    +1
    Too much hatred towards Russians in Ukrainians
    specially warmed up by the junta, and the people
    blindly believes in this because of his ignorance
    and the position "my hut is on the edge".
  28. antifa
    antifa 5 May 2016 10: 32
    0
    Russian-speaking supporters of the Maidan and the ATO, like the rest of the “supporters,” are either a paid or cowardly flock covering up the crime they committed: the murders of dissent and civilians in Donbass. A "language ukrorevolyutsiya" is a move to turn our attention to another topic. The goal of all these Polish and Galician cultural and ethnic influences on Ukrainians is to erase Russian roots in the unified cultural mentality of our peoples. And they are very actively erased after independence, especially young people
    ..Do not generalize all Ukrainians with banderlogs ....
  29. Lens
    Lens 5 May 2016 11: 02
    +1
    In the topics repeatedly raised about the paid Maidan and the prohibitions of Russian television channels in Ukraine, one of my acquaintances, a Kiev resident, poses the following counterargument: how much did YOU need to pay, what would you crawl onto the machines behind a plywood or aluminum shield? And how many Ukrainian channels are on Russian TV? What are your answer options?
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      5 May 2016 11: 15
      +1
      - how much did YOU need to pay, what would you crawl on the machines under the guise of a plywood or luminium shield?


      The key mistake of the Maydanutykh is that they take the concept of "paid Maidan" literally, they say, they put money in their hands and go to the barricades. This is a primitive understanding of networking and social technology. I don’t even know if you should list such concepts as ransomed "prime time", "Grazhdanskoe TV", which seems to be funded from the bottom up, social networks, the Maidan scene, and finally - the idea that rushes to the masses. I am already silent about the concept of thousandths.

      And how many Ukrainian channels are there on Russian TV?


      And what should they be there? Official Russian historiography, which even after 1991 was not particularly edited, with the exception of a view of the Soviet period, does not consider and does not consider Ukrainian identity as a nation. There are lands of South-Western Russia, which, due to various circumstances, found themselves under the occupation of the "friendly" Slavic culture - Poland. I am already silent about other cultures, Lithuania, Austria and Romania with Hungary. Do you want us to bring the ideology of the village here to Russia and forget how to launch rockets into space? Would you wear 19th century rural shirts with embroidery? You are a provocateur, obviously.
      1. Lens
        Lens 5 May 2016 11: 31
        +1
        Here's about "why are they Russia"? Why are they to Ukraine? They filled the air. When they arranged power. As soon as something went wrong, they were asked. As of now, Baku has asked for some growing channels from the territory of Karabakh.
        Sotniks, thousanders. Did they climb the trunks? There is still no answer. What could motivate the "manager" of the killed and maimed? And there are only 200 of them a little more than a hundred. The model you specified is valid until the first blood. It has been repeatedly worked out in electoral processes.
        By the way, there was a civilian TV. And, probably, the most unprincipled. Stupidly good quality webcams on the roofs. Everyone could see the picture in general terms, and not torn moments. Now I'm sorry to leave, I can continue the dispute in the evening.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          5 May 2016 11: 51
          0
          Here's about "why are they Russia"? Why are they to Ukraine?

          Ukraine, which is dominated by Galician culture, as a reference, they really are not needed! hi

          Sotniki, thousanders. They climbed the trunks? There is no answer.


          How could the "manager" of the killed and injured be motivated?


          Forgive me, you are a fool ... or maydanuty, so that it was immediately clear !? People infected with the passionate ideas of network non-profit organizations and talk-shows programs climbed onto the trunks, which formed the agenda in the country for them in the form of "experts" in the studio, who, for good money, explained to the people from the screen why it is so important and necessary to defend the European vector of development Ukraine and build a so-called civil society. Etc.

          By the way, civil TV was. And, probably, the most unprincipled. Stupid webcam good quality on the roofs. Everyone could see the picture in general terms, and not torn moments.


          In the form of journalism, yes. But not in terms of content. Only one ideology prevailed there. That the Maidan is a certain organism of society, if you want even a democratic instrument for changing power. And in general, everything seems to happen on its own, movements "from below", only life today in Ukraine has become several orders of magnitude worse, but the Maidan is not going to, and if it does, it will be dispersed like an illegal rally aimed at destabilizing the constitutional order, hello Avakov lol

          Yes, and more ... As a person who knows Ukrainian and heard the song of Ruslana, I did not understand the author’s attempt to impart a political tint to the clip. NO ONE word about Europe. Mountains, love, ethnicity ... It is quite predictable for a native of western Ukraine.

          And where is the respected policy here? Here is a cultural expansion. And it was conducted in the direction of Central and Eastern Ukraine. And very successful. good

          How do you feel that Poland comes to your media space? Probably not against it, right? Well, what's wrong with that, democracy ... two Polish TV channels and even without translation))) You are fake patriots. Mother betray, for the sake of Europe.
          1. black
            black 5 May 2016 13: 22
            0
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            People infected with the passionate ideas of network non-profit organizations and talk show programs climbed onto the trunks, which formed the agenda in the country for them in the form of "experts" in the studio,

            This is what I don't like. They were infected, they were deceived. Forgive me, my soldier humor. But if I got gonorrhea, then these are my personal problems. I will not look for the guilty.
            1. avt
              avt 5 May 2016 14: 31
              -2
              Quote: black
              I don’t like it. They were infected, they were deceived.

              No. They have been working thoughtfully and professionally CONTINUOUSLY since the activation of the hot phase in the First World War, physically destroying the diehard in the first Austrian concentration camps, and even then by means of converting ukrov-collaborators from those first Uniates. Further, here we must honestly admit the initiative of its kind was intercepted by the Bolsheviks with the annexation of the Donetsk Kryvyi Rih Republic. Moreover, initially on the terms of FEDERALIZATION AND BILINGUALISM! But then, by a strong-willed decision, they began the Ukrainization of the generalized East. And then the USs got down to business, having bought up the Nazi UPA from the Germans, who after the war generally steered in the State Department questions .... human rights of Eastern Europe! Specific Hitler's elbows to the elbow in the blood of civilians, in fact, the punishers were put on government posts on human rights! Well, the bottom line - they just sat in Kiev with the First Maidan, headed by Yushchenko, whose dad was accustomed to drinking a good coffee .... in Auschwitz, the Nazis, according to his son. wassat So we worked on them for a long time and fruitfully according to the principle - water sharpens the stone. The result is Ruin, they will be worked out against Russia and then dick with them, it’s not a pity to the owners.
              1. black
                black 5 May 2016 15: 13
                +1
                They worked with them, these worked. That is, they are innocent, they were deceived. They are poor, unhappy. They don’t have their brains, they don’t live with their minds. Orphans-II-II. Since childhood, they did not eat enough, slept without asking ... and I'm sorry, this is from another cartoon. These worked with them, ours did not fight for them. The main thing is that they have nothing to do with it. Apocalypse. A compatriot, but at least you don’t see cheap wiring. Each ram carries its eggs. And we are accountable to God, for our actions, individually.
                1. avt
                  avt 5 May 2016 15: 39
                  0
                  Quote: black
                  . That is, they are innocent

                  Well, I have never claimed this anywhere! Quite the contrary - they turned out to be extremely attentive, obedient students.
                  Quote: black
                  . And we answer before God, for our actions, individually.

                  But they do not believe in this, they are just here and I absolutely agree with you - they goofed, instantly including innocent victims - they are "onyzhedeti" and unreasonable, and began to be innocent. Favorite pastime - on someone else's ... phalos somewhere else enter a warm place, and in the end, as history shows, the phalos enters their anus.
            2. Nevsky_ZU
              5 May 2016 15: 39
              0
              Quote: black
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              People infected with the passionate ideas of network non-profit organizations and talk show programs climbed onto the trunks, which formed the agenda in the country for them in the form of "experts" in the studio,

              This is what I don't like. They were infected, they were deceived. Forgive me, my soldier humor. But if I got gonorrhea, then these are my personal problems. I will not look for the guilty.


              Yes please. You do not understand? I do not protect them, I show tools and infection trends. And these are your problems, how to perceive information that the carriers of Russian identity are less and less, as well as the scope of the Russian language. Where did you see advocacy on my part? You can at least print this article on a printer and wipe it off, but this will not cancel the objective reality, the reduction of the range of Russian culture. I have the honor!
              (Are you a serviceman? It's a pity without imperial psychology)
              1. black
                black 5 May 2016 16: 32
                0
                I am also that imperialist. And also Russian hirelings and international terrorists. And I love Russian very much. If you wrote INFECT, you wouldn’t say a word. The question of cause and effect. And at the expense of the range, you successfully wrapped it. I immediately remembered school biology. Such cute animals live for themselves, in their habitat, do not touch anyone. Then bam and begin to multiply. There is a lot of food, the weather is nice, the females are pretty. The range is expanding. And then bam and hunger, or what kind of infection. The weakest and genetically hopeless die out. And the range returns to its former borders. Animals. What do you take from them.
          2. Lens
            Lens 5 May 2016 16: 50
            0
            And where is the respected policy here? ... But the author cites the clip, which explains that this is a clear allusion to eastern Europe. I didn’t see or hear a hint ....
          3. Lens
            Lens 5 May 2016 17: 01
            +1
            Black wonderfully revealed to you your words about the infection. Well, about the epithets in my direction ... no more options? Judging by your reaction, most Ukrainians are divided that way? thank. your cultural level as an opponent became clear to me.
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              5 May 2016 17: 09
              0
              Quote: Lens
              Black wonderfully revealed to you your words about the infection. Well, about the epithets in my direction ... no more options? Judging by your reaction, most Ukrainians are divided that way? thank. your cultural level as an opponent became clear to me.


              What are you "Lens"hide behind the back of a Russian nationalist patriot Blackand a supporter of the Maidan and the UPA? Or do you have common interests, soak publicly in the comments of supporters of the "Russian imperial world"? One from the standpoint of maydaun, and the other from the standpoint of the Russian-conservative of a cut-down Russia? At the expense of the culture that the clip carried, I answered. At the expense of politics, then read between the lines. You don't know how, your problems.
              1. Lens
                Lens 5 May 2016 17: 54
                0
                The words black are correct, good, intelligible. And what are you so fussed about? Just think one citizen of his country expressed his opinion. Or is it a mortal sin?
    2. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 12: 01
      +1
      Quote: Lens
      EXACTLY YOU had to pay, what would you, hiding behind a plywood or aluminum shield, crawl onto the machines?

      How many vodyars do you need to eat out to see in the hands of the Berkut "standing in front of" crawling "behind a plywood or aluminum shield with a bottle of incendiary mixture, an automatic rifle, and even aiming and even more shooting at these" crawling "? Why, if there is the same Internet and an array of videos in it, it is not at all from "Kiselev's propaganda"?
      Quote: Lens
      What are your answer options?
      And when and from where, well, along which trajectory the shelling went and how long it lasted and when it came to the shelling - there are quite a few shots too.
      You need to be stubborn Svidomo to the point that the tail begins to grow on the head, or a bastard like Vadik Karasev and Okarasyssa in the eyes. And they will lick and say - God's dew, but for a good payment.
      Quote: Lens
      And how many Ukrainian channels are there on Russian TV?
      Well, "Rain" is definitely pissing little by little.
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      The key mistake of the Maydanutykh is that they take the concept of "paid Maidan" literally, they say, they put money in their hands and go to the barricades. This is a primitive understanding of networking and social technology.

      Not only, even simple savings - why pay everyone? Enough to pay
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      "Grazhdanskoe TV", which is, as it were, funded on a "bottom-up" basis, social networks, the Maidan scene, and finally - an idea that is being thrown into the masses.

      “Those who throw to the masses”, and they can get a grant for a long period of time, but those who have come out for the idea of ​​guiding will have enough to pay for the field kitchen - let them eat while sitting on the Maidan. laughing How many of them were after different ones from "tariff" to other Lyazhkovo right-sector ones, and not a single one without a paid kitchen lasted more than a day. laughing
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      You are a provocateur, obviously.

      No. Unseen, a kind of half-poker.
      1. Lens
        Lens 5 May 2016 16: 38
        -3
        It is strange that from the entire array of videos you have chosen ... And which ones have you chosen? Well, from those that are not from Kiselyov? Or, according to Krylov’s fable, I didn’t notice an elephant .... The whole civilized world expressed regret over the criminal actions of the former powerful, and do you think that they
        Urkat?
        1. avt
          avt 5 May 2016 17: 21
          +3
          Quote: Lens
          ? Well, from those that are not from Kiselyov?

          On YouTube, or you have Svidomo, he is also not Svidomo, but Kreplevkoputinsky? laughing
          Quote: Lens
          The whole civilized world has expressed regret over the criminal acts of the former powerful, and you think that they
          Urkat?

          All mana, civilized world laughing "This is strong. It's just like in Belbek Mamchur - America is with us!" By the way, Vika Nuland, who is watching you from the Yuyucivilized world ", ordered to fulfill the Minsk agreements, so let's do it in order - there is a general amnesty, accept the constitutional status of the LDNR, agreed with them in the constitution.
        2. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2016 20: 25
          +3
          Quote: Lens
          The whole civilized world has regretted the criminal acts of the former powerful

          Yes, this is stronger than Goethe's "Faust"! fellow
          This "civilized" world has STILL not been condemned by the current regime and the Madanutyh for the murders, which perfectly characterizes this "civilized" world! Two years have passed since the Odessa and Mariupol events - someone answered? Two years have passed since the murders on this fucking Maidan - has anyone answered? Two years have passed since the start of the crimes in Donbass - has anyone answered? Almost two years have passed since the destruction of Boeing - has anyone answered? And at the same time everyone understands perfectly well WHO is to blame. But the "civilized" are silent .. It is profitable for them - for now - to be silent. But sooner or later even they will ask about it!
          1. Lens
            Lens 6 May 2016 08: 25
            0
            I partially agree with you. Apparently therefore, Ukrainians do not elevate their leaders to the rank of saints, do not write icons from them, do not dedicate songs to them ... But with the pronouns of EVERYTHING and WHO, I would not hurry ...
    3. andj61
      andj61 5 May 2016 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: Lens
      Dean, my acquaintance of Kiev, puts forward the following questions with a counterargument - how much did YOU really need to pay, what would you crawl onto the machines behind a plywood or aluminum shield? And how many Ukrainian channels are on Russian TV? What are your answer options?

      The first answer: everyone knew perfectly well that Ukrainian law enforcement officers were ordered not to use weapons in any case. And they didn’t use it until they themselves were massively burned, killed, and even honey. help in medical institutions refused to provide.
      And as for the channels - are there such needs at all? How many of their people will watch?
      I have three or four channels in cable TV - I somehow do not watch them, it’s not interesting.
      And yet - about 2 years ago, examples were given in the regions of Ukraine in which language the search engines used. So even in Galicia in 2014, more than 60% of users used Russian. And in the east and south of Ukraine - over 98%. But this indicator is much more significant than the number of TV channels!
      1. Lens
        Lens 5 May 2016 16: 30
        0
        And the doctors in the hospitals, too, became sharply maidanutny? Well, since police refused to treat? Regarding the channels, you yourself answered the article - who will watch Polish channels? Those who know Polish. I, too, do not watch them (if they appear). Well, the third message. Once again, you yourself answered another myth about Ukraine. Users use the Russian language .... But what about generalized Ukrainization? !!! We have the same word for Russian gilyaku!
        And I’ll reveal the secret. On our cable quarter channels from Russia. Auto, hunting, telecafe, film, children. There is still Belarusian and Tatar. In their own languages ​​...
        1. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2016 20: 10
          +2
          Quote: Lens
          And the doctors in the hospitals, too, became sharply maidanutnymi? Well, since the police refused to treat?

          Right! Dramatically became Maidanut! And how can you not, if the guys came from the Maidan and strictly warned about it. And the policemen who were there were offered a choice: either to leave the Kiev hospitals, or to stay here forever. And at the end of 2013 - the beginning of 2014 - there were even pickets near hospitals, checking who they brought there. And the wounded policemen were simply not allowed.
          Quote: Lens
          Users use the Russian language .... But what about the total Ukrainization? !!! We have the same word for Russian gilyaku!

          It’s there that it is believed that Russian propaganda claims this. In our country, no one thinks so. Yes, and how can one say so, if the reports from Ukraine are constantly shown. And very many constantly speak Russian. And their attempts to speak Ukrainian can only cause laughter - before Klitschko had fun with this, now Saakashvili has been added. But a whole bunch of ukropatriots do not speak Ukrainian at all - and nothing. And we know this very well. The thing is different - real Russians are forced to - slowly, gradually, over the past decades, consider themselves not Russian. And they succeeded in this.
          And the article is about double standards - among other things. You can’t watch Russian channels - you can Polish! Although for Galicia, Polish propaganda in terms of the integrity of today's Ukraine is no less dangerous than Russian.
          1. Lens
            Lens 6 May 2016 08: 32
            0
            And here you are, dear, trapped. About medical facilities. The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine have their own departmental hospitals. Neither I nor you, even in a quiet time, will be able not only to come there and order something to someone, but even to get into the territory. My wife has a godfather in DSO. in 2013, he was lying with kidneys. So for the sake of a ten-minute meeting and transfer of minutes forty checked. So do not repeat the stupid things heard from others.
    4. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 5 May 2016 12: 55
      +3
      The Maidan was paid for by both local oligarchs and the West (the United States, etc., maxed out the loot to the natives under the slogan of developing democracy). If your acquaintance in Kiev denies this, then he is either stupid and naive by definition ... or deceitful and hypocritical. By the way, young people from Western Ukraine who were recruited to the Maidan were directly paid 200 hryvnias per day (800 rubles in Russian rubles). The snotty guys went to Kiev "for a drive, for which they also pay." There were also ideological fighters against the Yanukovych regime, which robbed Ukraine. True, they, the fighters, were led by thieves like Yanukovych (if not worse). These thieves through their own media implemented the slogan of Dr. Goebbels: "Give me the media, and I will turn any people into a herd of pigs." It was in its mass that this was the herd, which felt itself to be the arbiter of History.

      What machines and who crawled where? The first corpses among the Maydanuts appeared not on the Maidan, but as a result of some kind of internal squabbles (an Armenian nationalist and a Belarusian nationalist). Maidan threw Molotov cocktails at the Berkut fighters, and not vice versa. Who organized the frostbitten ultras and others of their ilk, and for what shishi? When I watched the shots of the shooting of violent youth with plywood shields, I saw that the fire was being fired from the rear and flanks, but not from the front. And even earlier, fire was opened on Berkut, which had aluminum shields + rubber batons. Who shot? Are they in themselves? Now the Ukrainians have it in their heads, like in a song: "What was not with me - I remember ..." For this special thanks to the local media.

      How many Ukrainian channels are on Russian TV ... Russian TV has become a receiver of All-Union TV, on which there were all-Union, republican and local channels. Somehow, Ukrainian citizens did not forget (and do not forget, although some became afraid) to go to Russia to work according to the all-Union habit in order to feed their families in Ukraine. How many Russian migrant workers saw your Kiev acquaintances in Kiev ?. So, let him sit and keep quiet ...
      1. Lens
        Lens 5 May 2016 16: 20
        -1
        Judging by your awareness, you watched the CORRECT videos about the Maidan bombing. Those that needed to be shown to the public. This can be found out from the fact that you do not know where the first people died. On the European Square. Where the "golden eagle" pump-action guns were first used. Gunshot wounds. According to the testimony of doctors - rubber cartridges turned into combat. Unfortunately, almost all of your arguments are unsubstantiated. It's hard to argue with you. You have formed your opinion and no authorities can shake it.
        1. black
          black 5 May 2016 16: 54
          +3
          You are right. Yanukovych won? Well done. The same wickedness was. As he was overthrown, so you are already in Europe by the very same. NATA helps you in a civil war. IMF helps build the right economy. It remains to defeat the Russian-terrorist forces in the Donbass. The main thing to believe. Who is to blame is known what they told you to do. Forward to a brighter future for a superagra country. And there’s nothing to waste time on us. What we can understand in the Maidan. Savages.
          1. Victor jnnjdfy
            Victor jnnjdfy 5 May 2016 19: 32
            +2
            Not a "civil war", but the defense of the civilized world from Russian terrorist aggression. Almost everything is correct below. But perhaps more accurately to say "Russian-terrorist troops", otherwise the main striking force of the Russian Armed Forces grouping Buryats and Chechens will still be offended by you.

            There are relatives in Ukraine. Devastation in the heads, not in closets (Prof. Preobrazhensky said). Nothing creative and good can be there.
        2. Victor jnnjdfy
          Victor jnnjdfy 5 May 2016 18: 49
          +3
          I watched Ukrainian videos on YouTube and what was shown on TV (the same thing). Only I see it myself, and I do not need to talk and comment. I am sighted.

          Uh-huh ... You are a miracle (and in a paratrooper way, you are a "child"). You have no idea about weapons, or about the striking elements of ammunition (a cartridge in your ear ..))). Hero of Ukraine Nigoyan (I could be wrong) received buckshot (at close range and more than one portion). Your "experts" have even determined the type of cartridge - "hunting". The cartridge is for the shooter, and for the wounded one is a bullet or buckshot. I heard that they found out where they killed which Hero, and where they then transferred someone's heroic corpse. But nobody needs it. Storytellers-folklorists continued to talk about the miraculous transformations of patrons. Are you completely dull there?

          In any unit there is a "Book (magazine) for issuing weapons and ammunition". Have you heard about it? Orphaned weapons and ammunition do not exist in power structures.

          Cartridges from rubber turned into military ones, because doctors said so .... Are you a medical assistant / gynecologist by profession? Among them, probably, the most important Ukrainian specialists in weapons and ammunition.
        3. andj61
          andj61 5 May 2016 20: 30
          +2
          Quote: Lens
          Judging by your awareness, you watched the CORRECT videos about shooting the Maidan. The ones that needed to be shown to the public. This can be ascertained from the fact that you do not know where the first people died. On the European square.

          Only before that there were already murders - they burned policemen and killed people, and even from the gunshots, the guys from the internal troops, standing without cordon in a cordon, died. Only the paid ukros were silent about this. And on the eve of the events you mentioned, several (in my opinion, three) died from gunshots and more than a dozen policemen were injured. It was only after this that they were given combat cartridges for pump-action vehicles.
  30. Lens
    Lens 5 May 2016 11: 08
    +2
    Yes, and more ... As a person who knows Ukrainian and heard the song of Ruslana, I did not understand the author’s attempt to impart a political tint to the clip. NO ONE word about Europe. Mountains, love, ethnicity ... It is quite predictable for a native of western Ukraine.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 6 May 2016 00: 34
      -1
      Mountains, love, ethnicity and no Europe? Dear, this is the Caucasus!
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  31. vladimirw
    vladimirw 5 May 2016 12: 52
    0
    This is another Russophobian action. From this point of view, it is necessary to consider the appearance of Polish, Hungarian, and Austrian channels in the outskirts of the Russian world
  32. Prutkov
    Prutkov 5 May 2016 13: 17
    +3
    The polonization of Ukraine has been going on for a long time. This is the activity of the Catholic Church, and the issuance of the "Pole's Card", as well as the issuance of passes for cross-border trade to local residents, now the study of the Polish language at school has been added instead of Russian. At the same time, the attitude of the Poles themselves towards Ukrainians as cattle has not changed. What is the scandal on Polish radio during Euro 2012 in Poland and Ukraine? But in Ukraine, the scandal was not noticed. And the Poles pretended that it was necessary. Yes, and in the past, the Poles in the Ukraine have been too protective. And they are not particularly shy about it. Enough to read Senkevich. But our people are trying not to emphasize this, shamefully clearing everything behind the theme of the Holodomor and repression. We need a competent information policy, we need journalists who understand the mentality of Ukrainians, who could reveal the pages of the history of Ukraine, which we prefer to keep silent about. Alas, this is neither visible nor audible. Complete information vacuum. Nkzhna is a competent policy to attract Ukrainian youth to Russian universities. There is no this. Yes, the Russian language in Ukraine has an advantage over other languages, including Polish - even the most Svidomo Galician understands Russian without an interpreter. We need a lot of new films, new books, TV shows, songs in Russian. The Soviet Union lost to Hollywood.
  33. South Ural
    South Ural 5 May 2016 14: 42
    +4
    Alas, the matter is not in the Ukrainians, but in all of us! The Yankees know how to brainwash. You should not consider them weak opponents and become like the cap-tearing Zadornovsky manner, belittle them. If everything was just like that, then they would be in our place - in a torn, humiliated country. This they would have to think about how to assemble it in parts. In the meantime, this is our task and it can be solved only in one way - increasing the cultural, moral, intellectual level of our compatriots. They changed our consciousness, so now we need to change it so as not to lose the good that still takes place in our life today, but also to return the best that is lost!
  34. Torins
    Torins 5 May 2016 15: 57
    +6
    We have in Belarus (do not look at the flag near the nickname, I came to Mother-in-law for Easter wassat ), two state languages. At the same time, 98% of the population speaks Russian, and even our most furious nationalists use the Belarusian language exclusively for the public. But! Almost all citizens of our country know and understand the Belarusian language, it’s good and it’s right, and this is enough to express their respect for the Belarusian culture. I will never in my life vote (and few will be) for those imbeciles who propose to abolish the official status of the Russian language (and for good ones I want to hit my head with a mallet once a day).
    P.S. Language should serve man, not man language!
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 5 May 2016 19: 18
      +1
      I completely agree with you. But note that in the Republic of Belarus now nationalists of all stripes and mental disorders have revived. So financing has gone. And the books of this riffraff are published in good printing quality. Sites with Russophobian bias appear on the internet ...

      Everyone knows the Belarusian language. But the language of Pushkin, Gogol and director Gaidai is Russian ... Great language and great speakers. There are Belarusian poets Kolas and Kupala (and then, in my opinion, Yanka Kupala is an ethnic Pole). These are great figures of Belarusian culture. There are two of them. We will not mention Alekseevich. This is a Nobel misunderstanding, received a prize by analogy with Solzhenitsyn.

      The more beautiful creations there will be in Belarusian mov, the more and better Belarusians will know mov. But Russian culture is now many times richer.
  35. wow
    wow 5 May 2016 17: 48
    +5
    When, after being transferred to Ukraine, they asked me: ... judging by the family name, Ukrainian ...? I answered, no, I’m your DEATH, because I am a Pole (a servant, an officer of the Soviet Army, a son of an officer of the Soviet Army, a grandson of officers of the Soviet Army, a great-grandson of officers of the Russian Empire, etc.). Those. , Pole, but RUSSIAN!
    1. avt
      avt 5 May 2016 19: 02
      +2
      Quote: yo-mine
      because I am a Pole (a servant, officer of the Soviet Army, son of an officer of the Soviet Army, grandson of officers of the Soviet Army, great-grandson of officers of the Russian Empire, etc.). Those. , Pole, but RUSSIAN!

      E-mine .... Yes, you for Svidomo veoikoukr in such a combination are just a nightmare - an angel punishing the formidable god of Ukraine Putin. laughing
      Quote: GRANDFATHER STEPAN
      But the way the Russian Federation invites you to live together, it’s better how we ourselves will survive ...

      laughing Oxid and cross. They offered before the Maidan in 2013. Now, everything. Like ourselves, we have import substitution in which Ukrainian substitution is in the first place, since the production was too tightly tied in cooperation. Well, how can we cope, even now there is no need for a competitive struggle - you yourself sentenced KhTZ, in Zaporozhye Yulia took away the aluminum plant from Deribaska, now you are dismantling it for scrap metal yourself ... without Deribaska. So don't dream - no one invites anywhere and "Yuzhmash" will not restore - take it apart for scrap, and "Antonov", too, when the airbuses from Eurpa finish it off. We already have "Ilyushin" on the topic of transport in all weight categories.
  36. Grandfather Stepan
    Grandfather Stepan 5 May 2016 18: 39
    +2
    Quote: Alexey-74
    Ukraine - honestly ... got it. Already think a sinful thing, if not ours (Russian), then let it be what they deserve .... a division into several territories ... and let them boil in their own city .... not, soon everyone will forget about them (let them even speak Polish, even in Hungarian, in his own language, etc.)

    Ukraine did not get anyone. There is no language problem, but there is elementary disrespect for those living next to you. If a person has lived in Ukraine for many years and pretends that he does not understand the Ukrainian language, this is just the level of culture. For example, the dialect of Rovno, Transcarpathian, Chernivtsi and myself sometimes incomprehensible, but it does not interfere if you want to communicate. I was born in the USSR, I perfectly understand that no one needs us in the West. But how the Russian Federation invites us to live together, it’s better how we ourselves will survive ...
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 5 May 2016 19: 50
      +2
      The Lord is with you, did the Russian Federation get into your maidan affairs and your maidanut races? Europe climbed, and then the United States began to steer the process. So they invited you to some unknown place and gave you "cookies". And for the "cookies" you declared Russia the main enemy. Now just don't choke on baked goods ...

      By the way, "if a person has lived in Ukraine for many years and pretends that he does not understand the Ukrainian language" - maybe this is his reaction to your Ukrainian level of culture? Who will you lead with ...
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 5 May 2016 22: 13
        +1
        The United States did not later, at first the United States prepared for the coup for more than twenty years, spent more than 20 billion, and the Europeans later joined under the influence of all the USA. The United States is to blame.
      2. Lens
        Lens 6 May 2016 08: 45
        0
        The Lord is with you, dear. Apparently he gave you the gift of divination and you are off the couch ... sorry, what Russian city? Miraculously saw all the specks in the eyes of neighboring fellow citizens. And we are poor go ... And they do not understand anything. It’s a pity there is no time — would you invite me to visit, have tea, and then I would lie down on your magic sofa and reveal to me all the secrets of being in my house ....
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 6 May 2016 23: 48
        +1
        The Lord is with you, did the Russian Federation climb into your maidan affairs


        In all honesty, I was still climbing. A year before the Maidan, Putin twisted Yanukovych's arms this way and that - as he could on the topic "do not join the EU, join us in EVRAZES." And any nuts he could tighten. And in the midst of the political crisis, that ill-fated loan was given - in Ukraine it was unambiguously understood as a bribe, like what we are selling to Russia.

        Of course, the responsibility for what is happening in Ukraine is primarily carried out by Ukrainians, saying that everything is not a problem is Putin’s all stupid.

        We have, for example, as soon as some "Svoboda" or "Right Sector" once again loudly sit in a puddle, sincere cries of Svidomo begin to say, "Yes, these are Putin's agents." Have you laughed right ?.

        It's silly to say that. But to say "that we did not go there, this is all the USA and the EU" is also nonsense. Your country is taking part in all these events commensurate with the EU and American ones.
        1. Victor jnnjdfy
          Victor jnnjdfy 7 May 2016 09: 38
          0
          A quarter century has passed since I left Ukraine. The local people were there for the most part with kind pribabah ... But the locals looked down at the Moldavians from above, considering them stupid. As it turns out now, the current Ukrainians of Moldova have already surpassed this parameter.

          Interestingly. Today, an employee said in a conversation on a summer residence topic. A year ago, in their dachas, a Svidomo Ukrainian bus driver hacked at them. Scolding Putin and Russia. They didn’t beat his face, but only politely noticed that thanks to Putin and Russia, he works and feeds his family, so he does not need to get very angry. In response, the driver said that there would be no more of his leg in rashist Russia. Yesterday appeared again ... A typical Ukrainian and a typical case.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 6 May 2016 01: 09
      -2
      Quote: GRANDFATHER STEPAN
      For example, the dialect of Rovno, Transcarpathian, Chernivtsi is sometimes incomprehensible to me myself, but this does not interfere if you want to communicate.


      Therefore, it is not clear that the so-called Ukrainian language is fiction, synthetics, laughing invented by Mikhail Sergeich G. (no, no, not Gorbaty, but Grushevsky - but "he is the same as this" - he was just the same!) am
      1. Grandfather Stepan
        Grandfather Stepan 6 May 2016 10: 38
        +2
        Dear, do not show your lack of culture and illiteracy so openly, each language has dialects. And the Russian has much more than anywhere. Any language is multifaceted. And personally yours is the language of boor and moron
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 6 May 2016 19: 29
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          Quote: GRANDFATHER STEPAN
          every language has dialects. And the Russian has much more than anywhere. Any language is multifaceted.


          It's about everyone of normal language, the dialect of either the capital or the most cultural region becomes the literary norm - and your mov is synthetics invented by Grushevsky, and that is why different dialects are obscure to you - for synthetics are very far from all real dialects! Only a few norgs with their høgnorsk (“høgnorsk”) reached a greater idiocy - but nobody does it in the official language, and the bohemian and the nurse are equal!
          Which of us is the biggest boor is a moot point, but the moron is clearly the one who cannot understand the essence my post and at the same time writes such nonsense as: "much more than where. any language is multifaceted" fool
          Five minuses were thrown ... Look, how many under-cut banderlogs on the site graze! am
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 6 May 2016 01: 09
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      Quote: GRANDFATHER STEPAN
      For example, the dialect of Rovno, Transcarpathian, Chernivtsi is sometimes incomprehensible to me myself, but this does not interfere if you want to communicate.


      Therefore, it is not clear that the so-called Ukrainian language is fiction, synthetics, laughing invented by Mikhail Sergeich G. (no, no, not Gorbaty, but Grushevsky - but "he is the same as this" - he was just the same!) am
  37. avt
    avt 5 May 2016 19: 11
    +3
    PEOPLE !!!! ON ,, Russian Spring "Natural Zrada! Megazrada! Zrada of all zrada at the same time! We posted a photo of the Pope with GEORGIEVKA'S TAPE on a white robe !!! How can Svidomites live now ..... wassat I'm not in the guys guys ... Bitter to me ... BORING! bullyOne hope - all this is "Surkov's propaganda" and it is not the Pope of Rome, but Kurginyan in make-up ... Like one of the other guys on television blurted out - "This is Messrs. Argamedon" Zhkrnalists asked him - "What-oh-oh?" ",, Yes! Argamedon!" laughing
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 5 May 2016 22: 10
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      This is called heard ringing but does not know where he is. Children sometimes rearrange letters like this, they say poitch, a cuckoo. Looks like someone who blurted out even like a puppy underdeveloped.
  38. cergey51046
    cergey51046 5 May 2016 22: 08
    -1
    The people, that in vain to break their spears, Ukrainians are already asking the valtsman to ban gas, then they will ask to ban electricity, then they will not be able to watch TV, with a splinter.
  39. faterdom
    faterdom 5 May 2016 22: 26
    +4
    Once upon a time lived in Laconic Spartans. And also, in the same place, next to these very originally educated guys lived helots.
    Among other methods of prevention of drunkenness for young Spartans, helots-slaves were specially drunk to cause an appropriate image, disgust. It acted.
    So, it was very useful for us, as those Spartan warriors, to see a kind of semblance of ourselves, overfed with samples of Western media, and Ukrainian TV in particular. Disgusting, but useful.
  40. Torins
    Torins 5 May 2016 23: 11
    +2
    Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
    I completely agree with you. But note that in the Republic of Belarus now nationalists of all stripes and mental disorders have revived. So financing has gone. And the books of this riffraff are published in good printing quality. Sites with Russophobian bias appear on the internet ...

    Everyone knows the Belarusian language. But the language of Pushkin, Gogol and director Gaidai is Russian ... Great language and great speakers. There are Belarusian poets Kolas and Kupala (and then, in my opinion, Yanka Kupala is an ethnic Pole). These are great figures of Belarusian culture. There are two of them. We will not mention Alekseevich. This is a Nobel misunderstanding, received a prize by analogy with Solzhenitsyn.

    The more beautiful creations there will be in Belarusian mov, the more and better Belarusians will know mov. But Russian culture is now many times richer.

    We have more Belarusian poets and writers than you think) And culture, as well as history, is rich enough (even though right now Russian culture is much richer). We simply lost part of our culture after Suvorov conquered our territory, or rather, somewhat later, after two popular uprisings of Kastus Kalinovsky aimed at independence from the Russian empire. Litvinov was renamed into Belarusians, in parish schools and universities they began to teach only the Russian language, etc. All this under Catherine the Second. Under the USSR, we must pay tribute, Belarusian schools were opened, books and newspapers in the Belarusian language were allowed. So that part of the Belarusian culture that we have preserved is entirely the merit of the competent leadership of the Communist Party, however strange it may sound in modern times drinks
    And lastly, several famous Belarusian cultural figures:
    Yanka Kupala
    Yakub Kolas
    Francis Bogushevich
    Maxim Bogdanovich
    Vasyl Bykov
    And this is not all)) And do not pay attention to Polish surnames, Belarus and Poland for 3 centuries were a single state and our peoples were mixed up very much since it was really a single state - the Commonwealth. hi
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    2. Weyland
      Weyland 6 May 2016 01: 35
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      Quote: Torins
      after two popular uprisings of Kastus Kalinovsky aimed at independence from the Russian empire.


      1. Kalinovsky, like many Catholics, had 2 names, and the main name was "Vincent". Why the zmagars prefer to call him Kastus is a mystery!
      2. By birth, he was never a Belarusian (although he was born in the Grodno region), but a Mazovshanin.
      3. In which two Kalinovsky participated in the uprisings (1838-1864)? laughing Unlike the uprising of 1831-32, the uprising of 1863-64 was never popular, but almost purely gentry - and the people of these rebels caught and handed over "where necessary" - read at least Zheromskiy "Faithful River" (who has never Russophile, so I wouldn't lie on this issue!)
    3. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 6 May 2016 08: 14
      -3
      Thank you for answering me in such detail. Regularly visiting Belarus, I noticed that Belarusians have a mess in their heads with historical knowledge. In the early 90s, I saw postage stamps at the Post Office with the image of the "great Belarusians" Vitovt and Gedimin.

      1. The territory of present-day Belarus was once part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. In 1569 Жech Pospolita was formed. The GDL gentry was Catholicized and Polonized. And the non-nobility spoke the local dialect and visited where Catholic and where Uniate churches (after the Union of Brest in 1596 and up to 1839). The ON had its own laws. The complete unification of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, headed by the Polish king, was assumed under the new Constitution of 1791. Did not work out. I hope you have heard about the three sections of the RP in 1772, 1793 and 1795. There were three uprisings on the territory of the former RP after that. The first was back in 1794 (Kosciuszko), 1830-31 (the nobility in Krulevstvo Polskem again wanted a liberum veto) and 1863-64 (again the RP within the boundaries of 1772 and headed the "red" gentry Kalinovsky, that's just the people behind the gentry somehow didn't really go). And further in the Russian Empire came 1917, when it collapsed.

      2. The very concept of Belarus and Belarus appeared thanks to Catherine. She decided to call part of the provinces joined to Russia as a result of sections of the Republic of Poland Lithuanian, and part Belarusian. Minsk, for example, was first Lithuanian, and then became Belarusian. The Belarusian language, as a literary language, began to take shape in the second half of the 19th century, thanks to enthusiasts, you listed some of them above. By the way, all the enthusiasts were Polish-speaking.

      3. With all due respect. Vasil Bykov is not Anton Chekhov. And Frantisek Bogdanovich is not Nekrasov. So I had to teach at the school of Arkadz Kulyashov: "The stance of a young man trying to get on a dapros ..." Patriotism needs to be brought up, but not with such verses.
  41. Torins
    Torins 6 May 2016 11: 34
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    Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
    Thank you for answering me in such detail. Regularly visiting Belarus, I noticed that Belarusians have a mess in their heads with historical knowledge. In the early 90s, I saw postage stamps at the Post Office with the image of the "great Belarusians" Vitovt and Gedimin.

    1. The territory of present-day Belarus was once part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. In 1569 Жech Pospolita was formed. The GDL gentry was Catholicized and Polonized. And the non-nobility spoke the local dialect and visited where Catholic and where Uniate churches (after the Union of Brest in 1596 and up to 1839). The ON had its own laws. The complete unification of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, headed by the Polish king, was assumed under the new Constitution of 1791. Did not work out. I hope you have heard about the three sections of the RP in 1772, 1793 and 1795. There were three uprisings on the territory of the former RP after that. The first was back in 1794 (Kosciuszko), 1830-31 (the nobility in Krulevstvo Polskem again wanted a liberum veto) and 1863-64 (again the RP within the boundaries of 1772 and headed the "red" gentry Kalinovsky, that's just the people behind the gentry somehow didn't really go). And further in the Russian Empire came 1917, when it collapsed.

    2. The very concept of Belarus and Belarus appeared thanks to Catherine. She decided to call part of the provinces joined to Russia as a result of sections of the Republic of Poland Lithuanian, and part Belarusian. Minsk, for example, was first Lithuanian, and then became Belarusian. The Belarusian language, as a literary language, began to take shape in the second half of the 19th century, thanks to enthusiasts, you listed some of them above. By the way, all the enthusiasts were Polish-speaking.

    3. With all due respect. Vasil Bykov is not Anton Chekhov. And Frantisek Bogdanovich is not Nekrasov. So I had to teach at the school of Arkadz Kulyashov: "The stance of a young man trying to get on a dapros ..." Patriotism needs to be brought up, but not with such verses.

    1. Thank you for adding to the uprisings of Kalinovsky, this section of history was the last time I studied at a school desk in 98, and I don’t remember any details)
    2. But I know the history of the Middle Ages well, for I am engaged in the reconstruction of the Grand Duchy of Late 14th and the beginning of the 15th century) And I see that you have more knowledge about this era based on the yellow press. Not Belarus was part of the ON, but ON is Belarus. The first capital of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was Novogrudok, the current capital of Belarus was the Menesk fortress on the border with Kievan Rus, after the Principality of Polotsk split off from it. It was on the basis of the Principality of Polotsk that the ON grew up, and the present Baltic dwarf states were inhabited by wild tribes that did not even master the processing of iron and who lived in forests and swamps and no one needed them until Prince Vitovt founded the new fortress city of Vilna there, and did not transfer there later the capital. (look on the map where Polotsk and Novogrudok are located).
    1. Victor jnnjdfy
      Victor jnnjdfy 6 May 2016 15: 09
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      I was born, raised and joined the army from Volkovysk and I do not need to study the map. By the way, in the vicinity of present-day Volkovysk lived a Baltic tribe of Yatvyags + Slavic Dregovichi. This is the kind of "indigenous people" there was before the ON and earlier.

      The end of the 14th and the beginning of the 15th century ... And this is after the Union of Krev in 1385. Grand Duke Jagiello the next year became King of Jagello and laid the foundation for the Jagiellon dynasty.
      Recently, I explained to the Lithuanian historical facts on the site (I fought to the best of my ability with Lithuanian chauvinism). I quote that I answered the Lithuanian zmagar:
      "You confuse the Grand Duchy of Lithuania with
      Aukstaitija and Zemaitija. Before Vilna, the capital of the ON was Novogrudok (now the regional center in the Grodno region). Then Gediminas moved the capital to Vilno, where not the Japanese lived, but the ancestors of today's Belarusians and Poles + Jews. There was no smell of zhmudins. "
      As you can see, I am in the know. But Mindovg came to Novogrudok from the lands on which the powerful Lithuanian Power is now headed by Dalia.
      In the times of Mindovg, Jagiello and Vitovt there was no Belarus and Belarusians. ON was located on the territory of the present: Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine (until 1569) and Russia. Then new countries arose and the peoples inhabiting them formed.
  42. Torins
    Torins 6 May 2016 11: 47
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    Into the account of Vytautas. He and his brother Jagiello were princes of the ON, which means Belarusians, as we found out above. I won’t tell a whole epic of betrayal and court intrigues, but in the end Jagiello married the Polish Queen Jadwig, and Vitovt became the ruler of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania on a joint basis, together they waged war on two fronts, both against Tamerlane and against the Teutonic Order (here it should be understood that by essentially against half of Europe). And so the rapprochement of the two cultures began, until this moment the ON actively (and quite successfully) robbed Poland, sometimes burning the opposing cities to the ground.
    And about the literature of Belarus .... Google, Francis Skarina and, for example, the work "Song of the Bison" Pay attention to the dates)
    So do not be surprised that the heroes of ON are heroes of Belarus, I hope I clearly explained that ON = RB hi
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  44. pacific
    pacific 9 May 2016 06: 13
    +1
    There are 2 Polish TV programs. No translation and subtitles.
    Significant event?
    I doubt it.
    The author did not indicate whether they are pan-Ukrainian or only regional in Western Ukraine. I think the latter is most likely. Well, let the Galicians watch whoever wants these programs. They speak Polish-Ukrainian surzhik. The prospect for central Ukraine (Slobozhanshchina) to speak Polish is very distant. In the end, for all the years of being part of the Commonwealth, Slobozhanshchina did not speak Polish in Polish. And then, not only cable, there was no television at all.
    As for the state of television in Ukraine in the 90s - 2000s, then the author either does not know what he is writing about, or frankly lied.
    I can confidently talk about Kiev and more or less reliably about the Black Sea and Crimea:
    In the 90s there was no cable (it appeared segmented only in the late 90s), and the broadcasting network of Russian and Ukrainian channels was presented approximately 50/50. When cable TV arrived, this proportion remained, but then Russian channels began to be replaced by Ukrainian ones.
    In 1997-1998, Volya-Kabel in Kiev in the basic package turned on RTR, NTV and Channel 1. There were also Belarusian channels. And after 2004, leapfrog began: every month the broadcasting network changed with a steady reduction in the number of Russian television programs. By the end of Yushchenko’s presidency, all Russian channels were pushed out of the basic package into expanded ones. And many families paid more for the opportunity to watch Russian channels. I repeat - I am talking only about Kiev now.
    So let's split the swan, the crayfish and the pike:
    - there are no problems with TV channels now - if you want to watch only "cable", where there are no Russian channels at all now, if you want to put on a "plate", if you want to watch on the Internet. Moreover, on the last two you can watch any channels (Polish, English, Arabic, etc.) - as you set it up.
    - There is a problem with discrimination of the Russian language in Ukraine, and the further the more serious.
    - There is also a problem with the intensified filling of the Ukrainian language with Western dialects.
    Therefore, the author is invited to write about one thing, because an attempt to comprehensively analyze the change in the Ukrainian mentality, due to a change in the language of broadcast in the media, clearly failed.