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Poroshenko rebelled or why political career Nuland is jeopardized

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Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland began her visit to Kiev. What tasks will Nuland solve during the visit, and why is it so important for her not to allow early elections in Ukraine?

Nulland travels to Kiev because she is responsible for Ukrainian politics in the American system of government. This Nuland handed out not only cookies on the Maidan, but ministerial portfolios after the coup. Nuland oversees Ukraine, was there more than once. When the USA came to the conclusion about the need for direct contacts, it was Nuland who was the assistant to the President of Russia Vladislav Surkov who determined how the USA and Russia could contact in such a way that each country would protect its interests and not lose allies. Therefore, it is quite natural that now Nuland is once again sent to Kiev.

This visit takes place after the government has changed there once again. This visit is particularly relevant after all the executive power there at least formally concentrated in the hands of Poroshenko, and the press is replete with reports that the President of Ukraine has almost rebelled against the United States.

In a riot Poroshenko, of course, do not have to believe. The USA dealt with such riots simply: a man who can shoot well passes by, and the new president is in the country. But it is absolutely clear that a new political situation has developed in Ukraine: one team, tied to Yatsenyuk, has lost access to certain serious resources. While their further actions are not clear. It is unclear how long Avakov will last, or he will also be quietly pacing.

That is, a situation has arisen when a part of Yatsenyuk’s supporters has been removed from the feeder. If we take into account that the “Popular Front” agreed with Poroshenko to join the coalition, managed to retain some ministerial posts for itself, then it is obvious that they will once again fight with the president for the opportunity to exert a primary influence on politics. At the moment, “Batkovschina” (Yulia Tymoshenko) “Strike” (Vitali Klitschko), “Self-Help” (Andrey Sadovaya) and all sorts of other small factions and parties have missed their opportunities, and they dream of early parliamentary elections, and therefore loosen the situation. There, the elite conflict is not settled with the departure of Yatsenyuk, he, on the contrary, has become aggravated.

The United States needs to understand, the current design will reach the elections before November, or it will fall out earlier. Washington’s plans did not include early elections in Ukraine; they wanted to make it through without turmoil until November.

And then the new president of the United States will deal with the accumulated problems, regardless of whether the Republicans or the Democrats win the elections.

But now the processes in Ukraine have proceeded at an accelerated pace: Poroshenko concentrated all responsibility for the state of affairs in the country, and as a result of the split of the elites, a fairly strong and extensive grouping, including those with good positions in the regions, comes out against him.

That is, as a result, the situation in Ukraine can go hand in hand much earlier than the US would like. And quite naturally Nuland goes there, as the person responsible for Ukraine, she is sent to extinguish the fire. By and large, she is given the opportunity to clean up what she has done there. Further or Nuland will keep the situation until November, and then, perhaps, her plans to become Secretary of State under the next president will materialize, especially if Clinton becomes the winner. Or, more likely, Nuland will not hold the situation, and then she will just be responsible for everything. Then her with a "wolf ticket" kicked out of public service. Of course, she will get a commercial position, everything in her life will be in order, but her political career will be completed. ”
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 28 2016 05: 29
    +14
    Well, they said Poroshenko was to blame, they didn’t find it - Nuland. Thank God sorted out.
    1. Cetegg
      Cetegg April 28 2016 05: 33
      +8
      That's where Poroshenko should rebel!)
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 28 2016 05: 34
      +15
      The political situation in Ukraine is now a mixture of a zoo, a circus and a madhouse.
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 28 2016 08: 05
        +3
        Quote: vodolaz
        The political situation in Ukraine is now a mixture of a zoo, a circus and a madhouse.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre April 28 2016 10: 27
          0
          (regarding the signature in the picture)

          Not certainly in that way. They have Borjomi. Vaughn in Odessa steers. But that doesn't help anymore.
    3. smel
      smel April 28 2016 05: 41
      +15
      As always, the people will answer for everything. Not an ub-human layer, not jumping half-wits, but hard workers. Well, the nulands will be waiting for the pie section. Cookies would have to be pushed into one place, and not a pie to share. Pity
      1. just exp
        just exp April 28 2016 06: 42
        +1
        unfortunately it has always been that way, but this is logical. there is a struggle for the souls and bodies of hard workers, for the souls for the devil, for bodies for the exploiters.
        but IMHO everyone deserves what happens to him. they themselves allowed the Maidan and the rise of neo-Nazis to power, and now they are reaping the benefits of this.
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 April 28 2016 08: 02
        +1
        Quote: smel
        As always, the people will answer for everything. Not an ub-human layer, not jumping half-wits, but hard workers.

        By the way, weren't these hard workers voting for Poroshenko? Is it not these hard workers being called up to the Armed Forces of Ukraine that still shoot at Donetsk? The people in business. Do not think that they are innocently affected. Could Yanukovych change, change Poroshenko with Avakov and Yarosh.
    4. Lukich
      Lukich April 28 2016 09: 47
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      no found - Nuland. Thank God sorted out.

      or maybe she read the agreement? used rumors before, therefore, only from Russia demanded their implementation? then really, learning is light, but not learning, big politics in the State Department
  2. ML-334
    ML-334 April 28 2016 05: 37
    +5
    In fact, there is nothing to discuss.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 28 2016 05: 55
      +4
      Quote: ML-334
      In fact, there is nothing to discuss.

      let's discuss your deep thought ... yes
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 28 2016 08: 45
      +1
      Yes, another article by Ishchenko in the style of Ukraine is about to fall apart. About Nuland’s plans to become Secretary of State under Clinton - these are the speculations of Ishchenko himself. In fact, Poroshenko gave carte blanche, pushing now and Yatsenyuk. And its manageability is guaranteed by offshore accounts, and the receipt of the next tranche from the IMF directly depends on the United States. So they will do everything as the owner tells
  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 28 2016 05: 38
    0
    Cookies were not easy!
    1. just exp
      just exp April 28 2016 06: 44
      +2
      Yes, even if ordinary? the truth of life is that a freebie happens only in a mousetrap. and after they get three skins from the one who got into it, they tear it off.
    2. Lukich
      Lukich April 28 2016 08: 27
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Cookies were not easy!

      and not just cookies. everything is complicated there
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 28 2016 05: 38
    +7
    Each party is an area! Every region has an army! To every army - dough! What no? They’ll take it themselves.
    As one Amer said: "Modern civilization will die not from an atomic catastrophe, but from incompetence."
    1. ver_
      ver_ April 28 2016 05: 53
      +3
      ... it's just that the stronger player wins in any game, especially since he has no time trouble and time "works" for him ..
  5. evil partisan
    evil partisan April 28 2016 05: 39
    +22
    In the ass parashenko. From the Eastern Union successfully took off. Cheers, comrades! fellow
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 28 2016 05: 53
      0
      Quote: wicked partisan
      In # opa parashenko. From the Eastern Union successfully took off. Hooray, comrades! fellow

      how is it related, comrade belay ?? laughing
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan April 28 2016 06: 04
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        tovarisch

        Rezhevskaya wolf to you tovarisch! am
        Hi Andryukha! drinks
        For Russian Cosmos! drinks Today you can! yes
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 28 2016 06: 23
          +3
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          Today you can!

          so it's four! how is it possible in the middle of the week then? aaaaaa ... okay, after the "night", ... for Space it is possible! drinks "I believe friends, caravans of missiles, will rush us forward from star to star, on dusty paths, distant planets, OUR traces will remain!" drinks (found in the refrigerator ...) (not a song: half a bottle of water ...))))
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre April 28 2016 10: 30
            +1
            for space is possible!
            I'm not even afraid of this toast: For the Union !!! (And for the one that took off)
            wink
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 28 2016 05: 54
      +11
      Quote: wicked partisan
      In the ass parashenko. From the Eastern Union successfully took off. Cheers, comrades! fellow


      Hooray!!!!

      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 28 2016 06: 09
        +9
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Hooray!!!!

        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        From the Eastern Union successfully took off. Hooray, comrades!

        how can he not take off? They complained to Putin - they made roads in Omsk in a day, and in general they fixed a lot of things around the country, including the "union" flew after the President said: ay-ay-ay, and promised to shake his finger ... what is wrong ? I can’t even imagine how we would have lived if it weren’t Vladimir Vladimirovich, and he pays salaries, and punishes the mayors with the governors, and gives apartments with dogs, and helps the sick ... damn it, why does he need the "government"?
        1. jovanni
          jovanni April 28 2016 06: 33
          +5
          Fuh! Well, thank God! Only this ... Do you need to clone BB now, or what? Somehow we have a bad tradition, - without burning ... no way! Neither roads are made nor fish farmers pay salaries. Is that rockets will not fly now? Then the trouble ...
          1. Senior manager
            Senior manager April 28 2016 06: 42
            +1
            With such a competent government, the President has to earn extra money, but they will not let him disperse it. Who! I have not seen, but will not give.
          2. Lukich
            Lukich April 28 2016 07: 40
            +1
            Quote: Jovanni
            Somehow we have a bad tradition, - without burning ... no way! Neither roads are made nor fish farmers pay salaries. Is that rockets will not fly now? Then the trouble ...

            but in Russia it is always like that. let's remember the classics. "The master will come, the master will judge us" smile
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 April 28 2016 08: 49
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          . Damn, why should he "government"?

          I will add. And why did he need such governors with their governments in the regions!
      2. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 April 28 2016 06: 16
        +3
        Congratulations good
      3. KOH
        KOH April 28 2016 06: 22
        +3
        I went darling !!!!!!!!!!
    3. Amurets
      Amurets April 28 2016 06: 08
      +2
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      In the ass parashenko. From the Eastern Union successfully took off. Cheers, comrades!

      According to local news, details were shown before Moscow.

      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      how is it related, comrade

      And this is connected in such a way that no matter what, the Russian Vostochny cosmodrome was built, and it began to work. And Nuland, Obama, Carrie will leave in 8 months when the new president is sworn in and who it will be and what will be nobody knows anything with the USA.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 28 2016 06: 28
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        .A Nuland, Obama, Carrie will leave in 8 months, when the new president is sworn in and who it will be and what will happen to the United States no one knows.

        I don’t see the connection anyway ... request if you're talking about sanctions, you still don’t see the connection, the critical elements are ours ... winked
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 28 2016 07: 23
          +2
          Anyway, this is Russia in Ukraine - the topic. And in America, most people do not know that there is such a Ukraine. And certainly no events there will affect the elections in America. Well, unless another Chernobyl power unit explodes or again the passenger side fails - then it will be on the first page of news for a couple of days, a week at least.
          If anything threatens Nuland’s career, it’s the arrival of the new administration. Even if there is a shit, he (a) will bring his team to the State Department, and Nuland will not necessarily enter it. And the Republican will definitely shake things up. And again, all this will happen irrespective of non-fallow lands.
  6. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ April 28 2016 05: 40
    +4
    Or, more likely, Nuland will not hold the situation, and then she will simply be responsible for everything. Then she will be kicked out of the public service with a “wolf ticket”.
    Did you think that Ukraine is Panama? Everything is not as simple as you thought. all the more so as Russia is side by side. You can't get away with cookies. So take the line for your "wolf tickets."
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre April 28 2016 10: 33
      0
      So take the line for your "wolf tickets."
      They would be determined to take the queue for the bandanda, and not wolf tickets.
      Oh, dreams of justice ...
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 28 2016 05: 51
    +5
    You're right. Ukraine, this is not Panama. This is Syria, under the booty of Europe. And its fields will grow in 5 years of civil strife ...
    And the dough will bury "on the field of miracles" so many Europeans ..... Stupid monkey Europe, you have to sit on a grenade and not twitch.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ April 28 2016 05: 58
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      . And its fields will explode in 5 years of civil strife ...

      Do you think we can’t stabilize the situation there in a year or two?
  8. Wolka
    Wolka April 28 2016 05: 54
    +1
    Yes, nothing special, all according to Feng Shui, well, someone should be the scapegoat ...
  9. Lunic
    Lunic April 28 2016 05: 57
    +4
    Nuland does not solve anything ... Performs what the State Department ordered. Such a dime a dozen here (in the United States) .. And will not be responsible for anything.
  10. Geophizik
    Geophizik April 28 2016 06: 04
    +4
    I am sure that in the US plans for Ukraine, the option of "hanging" the political situation must be taken into account and is present as one of the most obvious. For more than two years we have been witnessing how slowly but consistently the United States has been "twisting the arms" of the EU and Ukraine, not allowing either one to deviate from the options prescribed by the Washington regional committee, while the time factor is clearly not in our favor.
  11. Aleksander
    Aleksander April 28 2016 06: 07
    +1
    Again Ishenkov fortune-telling on coffee grounds:
    may mess

    then maybe

    Or, more likely

    which are never executed.
    she is sent to extinguish the fire. By and large, they give her the opportunity to rake what she has done there.

    This is nonsense, why would the Americans extinguish what they themselves kindled? From the American point of view, she did not "do", but achieved ....
  12. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 28 2016 06: 07
    +1
    This is because cookies with heroin are no longer relevant. Poroshenko was offended, and the rabbit ceased supplying cocaine to Argentina for cocaine. laughing
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 28 2016 06: 30
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      and the rabbit didn’t supply cocaine to Argentina for cocaine

      "coke" is better in Colombia to "wholesale" ... yes wassat
      1. Bramb
        Bramb April 28 2016 06: 57
        +1
        It seems that he decided to create a backup airfield.
        Even he doesn't trust the Americans. They don't issue from there, and banks are not controlled by the states. Reliability, however, is scanty. But even such a minuscule plays a role when you keep money in "reliable" Western banks.)))
  13. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 28 2016 06: 08
    +2
    Yeah, this year will not be boring.
    First of all, everyone spits out on Obama in full. Even Poroshenko ...
    Secondly, Ukraine will have to live without money so far,
    until the new president decides what to do with her.
    Well, in general, the whole world froze in anticipation of what America would do with it.
    Well, not directly froze, but anxiety is felt.
  14. VP
    VP April 28 2016 06: 13
    +1
    then perhaps her plans to become secretary of state under the next president materialize, especially if Clinton becomes the winner in the elections

    I do not believe that she has such plans.
    Two women on the two highest state posts is a bust for the establishment. Such experiments with tolerance (in particular, the Negro in the database) have given nothing to anyone and are unlikely to return to them soon. She will be paired with some kind of tough pragmatist who does not have rotten tails and has no obligations in foreign policy.
  15. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 April 28 2016 06: 13
    0
    Oh no no no! We got it! Kaklams will have to answer for the consumed liver.
  16. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat April 28 2016 06: 22
    0
    On cookies, on cookies try!
  17. Egoza
    Egoza April 28 2016 06: 24
    +6
    Nuland can threaten, propose, recommend, but ... the "elite" has gone to pieces. It is clear that Avakov will be with Petya to the end, and they will have the same end. Yulia is actively gaining points on the field of anti-offshore legislation - she exposes the president's accomplices, oh-oh-oh, how much you can dig up on this field.
    Lyashko grabbed at Petya like a bulldog ....
    It's about fraud Poroshenko, who profits from the so-called ATO. More specifically: one of the few automobile factories in Ukraine - Kremenchug, did not receive a state order for 2016 for the needs of the defense industry. Instead, a contract for the supply of equipment was concluded with MAZ. The actions are really very extraordinary. Instead of investing money in their own producer, providing the population with work and wages and at least developing the economy a little, Poroshenko does the opposite.
    The secret of such an extraordinary decision is very simple: MAZs are assembled at the Bogdan plant in Cherkassy, ​​which belongs to President Poroshenko. The former director of Bogdan, Svinarchuk-Gladkovsky, was appointed by Poroshenko as the first deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council and is responsible for the military-industrial complex. That is, he buys equipment from himself at the expense of the state. And it is not at all a hindrance that the Bogdan-MAZs purchased for the Ukrainian army, with technical parameters similar to those of KrAZ, are more expensive by an average of 10-25% and have a warranty period of 1 year versus 5 years for KrAZ.

    So the "citizens" are ready for the elections. "This is their last and decisive battle." And no Nuland can stop them.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish April 28 2016 07: 24
      +1
      Everything that is happening in Ukraine and the USA now says only one thing - the fall of 2016 promises to be very interesting. For this, sit down more conveniently and make popcorn laughing
  18. demo
    demo April 28 2016 06: 46
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: wicked partisan
    In # opa parashenko. From the Eastern Union successfully took off. Hooray, comrades! fellow

    how is it related, comrade belay ?? laughing


    This is not a relationship. This is a contrast.
  19. loginovich
    loginovich April 28 2016 06: 48
    +2
    Poroshenko concentrated all responsibility for the state of affairs in the country


    He obviously got excited with responsibility. For me, Valtsman is the most irresponsible president of Ukraine.
  20. Bramb
    Bramb April 28 2016 06: 50
    +1
    How can Poroshenko rebel if all his money is in the west ?! )))
    And the West has repeatedly taken other people's money: Gaddafi, Hussein, Milosevic, etc. And more recently, the Saudis were directly told that they would buck - and they won’t get their money! )))
    So, Poroshenko and on the hook and his eggs are suspended by the hook and will do what they order. For him, even car accidents do not need to be arranged.))
    Keep money in Western banks: feel like a slave !!! )))
  21. Senior manager
    Senior manager April 28 2016 06: 55
    +1
    In terms of changes on the outskirts, nothing extraordinary should happen. The old administration in Phishington is losing influence, there is no new one, the rats frolic. Like in the textbook. The squabble in power will continue, but here options are possible. Sluggish current epilepsy or squirrel or fever. Something like that.
  22. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 28 2016 07: 01
    0
    It has become simply fashionable to "bury" Zuland and Ukraine, and the "fire in Ukraine" exists only in the minds of political scientists and on the border of the People's Republics ...
    1. VP
      VP April 28 2016 09: 30
      -1
      But actually, tell me?
  23. Bramb
    Bramb April 28 2016 07: 07
    0
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    how is it related, comrade

    Incomprehensible direct text showed: you will ride, threaten and h..ey toil like Ukrainians - you will wait like nasty little dogs for nulands and other blacks as saviors from a scab, and leave to work from the country to earn money to eat. And you will work for the good of the state - there will be bread, and rockets, and space will be, and spit on foreign countries: You will be a man!
    Is it really incomprehensible? Or are you a whiner-phisyopropalschikov, citizen?
  24. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 28 2016 08: 06
    0
    Vika with her cookies the whole sweet business Parashenke break? U, American Sinister! We groomed our Parashenka and wooed, and Europe loves the damned Vika? U, the underwater snake!
  25. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 28 2016 08: 07
    0
    the situation in Ukraine can be peddling much earlier than the United States would like

    Even if the situation goes wrong, this will not stop until the United States realize its plans. Too much invested to lose overnight. Therefore, in any situation, Ukraine (I emphasize so far) will not be abandoned. Poroshenko understands this, therefore, does not twitch too much, assuming that he will be enough for his century.
  26. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 28 2016 08: 20
    +1
    One clarification, those in power in Russia regard their participation in politics as the meaning of their existence in life, and in the states as a very important, but still work. Hence the attitude to everything that happens both in their country and around the world.
    But for Poproshenko, as a product from the times of the USSR, this is still the meaning of his existence and enrichment, but he makes a bet on the states, hoping to rush off if something happens like a rabbit. But if Nuland fails, she simply resigns, but his fate is far from unambiguous, even if he rinses over the hill. The same Nuland will insist on the court to launder herself.
  27. Disorder
    Disorder April 28 2016 12: 45
    0
    The United States simply deals with such riots: a man who knows how to shoot well passes by and a new president is in the country.

    laughing Lucky Yanukovych, the man did not have time to pass by.
  28. dkflbvbh
    dkflbvbh April 28 2016 12: 58
    0
    ... "When the United States came to the conclusion about the need for direct contacts, it was Nuland with the aide to the President of Russia, Vladislav Surkov, who determined how the United States and Russia could contact so that each country would defend its interests and would not lose allies." ...

    I don’t understand ... What is it about? ..