But here in Israel ... Part of 1
And really, how is it? If you look at the position taken by some of our readers and commentators from there, Israel is in kind the promised land. With milky rivers and milk and honey. There are only minor problems with the Palestinians, but the blame for these problems lies entirely on the latter.
In general, this is almost true. Yes, the standard of living in Israel will be considerably higher than ours. By the way, no wonder. If the territory of my area, which is 52 thousands of square kilometers (area of Israel 20 thousands, except for the depressed kilometers of the Golan) to throw half a million rukustyh and puff-headed Jews, then probably we would have progressed. But this did not happen, because we have what we have. And I live in the area 2,5 million people, and in Israel - 8,5 million. And, apparently, everyone plowing tirelessly for the prosperity of the country. Otherwise, Israel would have no such results.
But is not the point.
The essence, strictly speaking, in the approach. And the approach, based on the many and many comments made by the people of Israel on our pages, is that they seem to be smarter and more clearly understand everything that is happening. Based on, apparently, from the above.
I will not deny that I was rather attentive to everything that our Israeli visitors wrote. For there was a lot of rational and reasonable in their posts. And not always the number of minuses rolled in by them was logical and justified.
However, the moment came when I wondered: what about them? Indeed, maybe we all, in a heap, in the masses, are wrong about our guests, who criticize us and our reality? You can not judge only by the comments of some representatives of Israel, it is necessary to look and make sure that there really is another civilization, or something ... More reasonable, more fair. In the face of one people.
And I went to the sites of Israel. Russian-speaking, of course. I also wonder what they write there and how they comment. Especially about us.
I found the April article by Alex Fishman, a columnist for Yediot Ahronot, which is called "Why Russians Break the Jackpot." Yes, the brew is definitely Russophobic, but that’s why it’s interesting.
So, what new and interesting I learned from Mr. Fishman, based on his article?
“When meeting with their colleagues in Moscow and Washington, the leaders of the Israeli security structures put forward an almost ultimatum. Israel will not accept any agreement that would allow the presence of Iran, Syria or Hezbollah on the Golan Heights. It is not known whether we succeeded get some commitments from the US and Russia about the Golan. "
Cast a good one. The start is staggering. So you see our representatives who listen to the "almost ultimatum demands of Israeli colleagues." Here is just a little incomprehensible: who listens? FSB? But this structure does not deal with such issues as the Israeli-occupied Golan. National Guard? Police? Especially. SVR? It seems to be related to everything that is beyond the borders of Russia, but this is not a security structure. This is intelligence.
Then who?
In principle, it is clear that, as Mr. Fishman says, there was no response, much less an obligation. Fingering the temple is the answer, but not the obligation. But I think that the actions described by Mr. Fishman occur only in the fantasies of Mr. Fishman himself.
But we go further.
“The Golan is a marginal problem that doesn’t bother anyone except us. But Israel is starting to think about the future alignment of forces around the Golan now, when even the most skeptical officials admit: the chances of a political settlement and ending the civil war in Syria are more than ever. First, because the flow of refugees has managed to bring the West out of balance, and in Europe they are very determined towards this problem. Secondly, because of Russia's intervention. "
Already better. But the problem Golan was voiced, and voiced by Syria. So again, Mr. Fishman is wrong.
But we go further in the text, the most interesting begins.
"And that's what's interesting. The ways of the actions of Americans and Russians in Syria are different. Russia is bombing. Americans keep 3000 fighters of elite special forces in Syria and Iraq, who act in accordance with the doctrine developed by the USA in Afghanistan: they kill the leaders of the IG. There is no doubt that the American strategy is more effective than the Russian one. Why do we say "because of the intervention of Russia" and not "because of the intervention of the United States"? "
Come on, dear, crawl out from under the tables. Probably, any of you had the same reaction as me. Fall down and twitch in ecstasy. How many new in one paragraph! Three thousand elite US special forces kill the leaders of ISIS! It’s just not clear why ISIS continued to be so active until the moment when the Russian HVAC and Navy didn’t really start to beat everyone’s heads.
But Mr. Fishman has no doubt that the American strategy is more effective. Specially dug the Internet in search of US triumphant reports about their destruction by special forces of the ISIL leaders. Bummer, however. Everything that I found was somehow connected with the actions of the US Air Force. Yes, and without much evidence. But this was said by the Americans, whose tactics are more effective ...
"Question: how did Russia with its smaller forces manage to break the Syrian jackpot? Why is its influence on events in Syria now much greater than the influence of the USA? Why is Russia, not the USA, called the winner of the IG?
The answer is because Russians are considered reliable. And Americans are perceived as weaklings and constantly talk about their unreliability, their penchant for betrayal. As a result, Russia, which bombed more hospitals than the United States, but which is considered reliable, breaks applause. And the Americans, who position themselves as saviors, but constantly demonstrate that their word cannot be trusted, are booed. "
Well, for what everything was started. To spit on us. Nothing that the evidence that Russia bombed at least one civilian object, exists approximately in the same place as the US special forces 3000 and the cool Israeli security guards, who put ultimatums to their colleagues from Russia. That is, in the heads of the fishman. The main thing - the fan thrown.
“And another reason: this time the Russians didn’t hide their participation in the Syrian campaign, covering it very widely. While the US administration shamefully concealed from the Americans the presence of elite special forces in Syria. And we need to watch Russians and Americans in the Middle East and draw conclusions for themselves. "
This time? Have we already participated in this campaign? It seems not. We 4 of the year watched the openly impotent attempts of the "coalition", where, by the way, Mr. Fishman recorded us. And then, without the snot of this coalition, our VKS and Navy for six months were so filled up that the coalition never dreamed of. Fact? Fact.
Yes, Mr. Fishman, you really have something to think about. By the way, Afghanistan was mentioned in the text. It would make sense for Mr. Fishman to familiarize himself with the opinion of the Afghans about the presence of the warriors of the bloc there and how it, the presence, differed from the actions of our contingent.
Well, God be with him, with Fishman. I will quote a couple more comments. After all, comments are a mirror of the article, right? (Given without editing! - Ed. "IN".)
al_mo_58
Yes, the author is somewhat off-topic! Only an incompetent person can consider Russians “reliable”. Yes, the Russians, led by Pu, will not be sold for sniffing tobacco, if Arabs of the attendants are given it !!! Not only has Russia done nasty things in stories ? So why do you believe the chekist vorot? Probably forgotten that "... the KGB is the vanguard of the Communist Party ...." And Volodya has been nourished on her ideals. Striking infantilism .....
Vladimir Vernik
Alex Fishman, crediting article. Respect!
Arthur Polonsky
Very correct article!
Gregori pievski
Okay. Have read. So what? The situation is now strongly influenced by elections in the United States. The current does not want to do anything. So the Russians have a year. But the Russians are leaving. In general, the article is full of vagueness. But what about the Russian conflict with the Iranians, etc. as a result, the Russians talk about quitting. But what about the announcement by the Kurds of federalism, which is directly connected with the Russians. And what about the statement by Carey that it will be possible to talk about the section TOL "KO if the other does not work out. And this is in response to the Russians' proposal. It is not clear where the author got his facts, therefore his conclusions are doubtful.
Alexandr Yagodin
"... As a result, Russia, which bombed more hospitals than the USA, but which is considered reliable, breaks applause. And Americans, who position themselves as saviors, but constantly demonstrate that their word cannot be trusted, are subject to booing ...." And who counted the destroyed hospitals? Those who considered broken schools in Gaza?
The last comment, I think, belongs to the Russian citizen. But, as you can see (and it is easy to check), that porridge is still the same. And in porridge enough frank Russophobia and insanity.
Of course, some of our readers from there will now begin to say that I was looking for the wrong place and the wrong thing. Well, everything is simple. I visited the first Russian-language website of Israel, opened a selection of articles for April and looked at what they wrote about us. Here, I found ...
That there is such a Fishman and the Yediot Ahronot newspaper did not know, and had never heard of. But such a newspaper in Israel, apparently, is there, and Fishman also has a place to be.
So everything in Israel is in order. They live and enjoy it, they have both smart people and frank half-wits available. And, having familiarized myself with the fact that people write in the comments on this site, I came to the conclusion that, like us, the first, and the second, roughly in half. That, in general, is normal.
But you shouldn’t seriously criticize and teach us so much, since they themselves have Fishmans and their fans. We have at least. As this little experiment showed, in Israel the work of the car is not endangered in terms of the adequacy of people. Enough with a vengeance.
And why did I put the "part of 1"? In the process of searching, I found another saytik, he seems to be more political than this. I think everyone will be interested to know what the people of Israel write and think about their eternal neighbors - the Palestinians and Syrians? It's funny there. No worse than ours, if we are talking about Ukraine. Just have to wait until I finish the transfer. There, many people write in such a way that first they need to be translated into Russian by a translator, and then again into Russian after the translator. But the value of this does not decrease.
So to be continued!
In general, this is almost true. Yes, the standard of living in Israel will be considerably higher than ours. By the way, no wonder. If the territory of my area, which is 52 thousands of square kilometers (area of Israel 20 thousands, except for the depressed kilometers of the Golan) to throw half a million rukustyh and puff-headed Jews, then probably we would have progressed. But this did not happen, because we have what we have. And I live in the area 2,5 million people, and in Israel - 8,5 million. And, apparently, everyone plowing tirelessly for the prosperity of the country. Otherwise, Israel would have no such results.
But is not the point.
The essence, strictly speaking, in the approach. And the approach, based on the many and many comments made by the people of Israel on our pages, is that they seem to be smarter and more clearly understand everything that is happening. Based on, apparently, from the above.
I will not deny that I was rather attentive to everything that our Israeli visitors wrote. For there was a lot of rational and reasonable in their posts. And not always the number of minuses rolled in by them was logical and justified.
However, the moment came when I wondered: what about them? Indeed, maybe we all, in a heap, in the masses, are wrong about our guests, who criticize us and our reality? You can not judge only by the comments of some representatives of Israel, it is necessary to look and make sure that there really is another civilization, or something ... More reasonable, more fair. In the face of one people.
And I went to the sites of Israel. Russian-speaking, of course. I also wonder what they write there and how they comment. Especially about us.
I found the April article by Alex Fishman, a columnist for Yediot Ahronot, which is called "Why Russians Break the Jackpot." Yes, the brew is definitely Russophobic, but that’s why it’s interesting.
So, what new and interesting I learned from Mr. Fishman, based on his article?
“When meeting with their colleagues in Moscow and Washington, the leaders of the Israeli security structures put forward an almost ultimatum. Israel will not accept any agreement that would allow the presence of Iran, Syria or Hezbollah on the Golan Heights. It is not known whether we succeeded get some commitments from the US and Russia about the Golan. "
Cast a good one. The start is staggering. So you see our representatives who listen to the "almost ultimatum demands of Israeli colleagues." Here is just a little incomprehensible: who listens? FSB? But this structure does not deal with such issues as the Israeli-occupied Golan. National Guard? Police? Especially. SVR? It seems to be related to everything that is beyond the borders of Russia, but this is not a security structure. This is intelligence.
Then who?
In principle, it is clear that, as Mr. Fishman says, there was no response, much less an obligation. Fingering the temple is the answer, but not the obligation. But I think that the actions described by Mr. Fishman occur only in the fantasies of Mr. Fishman himself.
But we go further.
“The Golan is a marginal problem that doesn’t bother anyone except us. But Israel is starting to think about the future alignment of forces around the Golan now, when even the most skeptical officials admit: the chances of a political settlement and ending the civil war in Syria are more than ever. First, because the flow of refugees has managed to bring the West out of balance, and in Europe they are very determined towards this problem. Secondly, because of Russia's intervention. "
Already better. But the problem Golan was voiced, and voiced by Syria. So again, Mr. Fishman is wrong.
But we go further in the text, the most interesting begins.
"And that's what's interesting. The ways of the actions of Americans and Russians in Syria are different. Russia is bombing. Americans keep 3000 fighters of elite special forces in Syria and Iraq, who act in accordance with the doctrine developed by the USA in Afghanistan: they kill the leaders of the IG. There is no doubt that the American strategy is more effective than the Russian one. Why do we say "because of the intervention of Russia" and not "because of the intervention of the United States"? "
Come on, dear, crawl out from under the tables. Probably, any of you had the same reaction as me. Fall down and twitch in ecstasy. How many new in one paragraph! Three thousand elite US special forces kill the leaders of ISIS! It’s just not clear why ISIS continued to be so active until the moment when the Russian HVAC and Navy didn’t really start to beat everyone’s heads.
But Mr. Fishman has no doubt that the American strategy is more effective. Specially dug the Internet in search of US triumphant reports about their destruction by special forces of the ISIL leaders. Bummer, however. Everything that I found was somehow connected with the actions of the US Air Force. Yes, and without much evidence. But this was said by the Americans, whose tactics are more effective ...
"Question: how did Russia with its smaller forces manage to break the Syrian jackpot? Why is its influence on events in Syria now much greater than the influence of the USA? Why is Russia, not the USA, called the winner of the IG?
The answer is because Russians are considered reliable. And Americans are perceived as weaklings and constantly talk about their unreliability, their penchant for betrayal. As a result, Russia, which bombed more hospitals than the United States, but which is considered reliable, breaks applause. And the Americans, who position themselves as saviors, but constantly demonstrate that their word cannot be trusted, are booed. "
Well, for what everything was started. To spit on us. Nothing that the evidence that Russia bombed at least one civilian object, exists approximately in the same place as the US special forces 3000 and the cool Israeli security guards, who put ultimatums to their colleagues from Russia. That is, in the heads of the fishman. The main thing - the fan thrown.
“And another reason: this time the Russians didn’t hide their participation in the Syrian campaign, covering it very widely. While the US administration shamefully concealed from the Americans the presence of elite special forces in Syria. And we need to watch Russians and Americans in the Middle East and draw conclusions for themselves. "
This time? Have we already participated in this campaign? It seems not. We 4 of the year watched the openly impotent attempts of the "coalition", where, by the way, Mr. Fishman recorded us. And then, without the snot of this coalition, our VKS and Navy for six months were so filled up that the coalition never dreamed of. Fact? Fact.
Yes, Mr. Fishman, you really have something to think about. By the way, Afghanistan was mentioned in the text. It would make sense for Mr. Fishman to familiarize himself with the opinion of the Afghans about the presence of the warriors of the bloc there and how it, the presence, differed from the actions of our contingent.
Well, God be with him, with Fishman. I will quote a couple more comments. After all, comments are a mirror of the article, right? (Given without editing! - Ed. "IN".)
al_mo_58
Yes, the author is somewhat off-topic! Only an incompetent person can consider Russians “reliable”. Yes, the Russians, led by Pu, will not be sold for sniffing tobacco, if Arabs of the attendants are given it !!! Not only has Russia done nasty things in stories ? So why do you believe the chekist vorot? Probably forgotten that "... the KGB is the vanguard of the Communist Party ...." And Volodya has been nourished on her ideals. Striking infantilism .....
Vladimir Vernik
Alex Fishman, crediting article. Respect!
Arthur Polonsky
Very correct article!
Gregori pievski
Okay. Have read. So what? The situation is now strongly influenced by elections in the United States. The current does not want to do anything. So the Russians have a year. But the Russians are leaving. In general, the article is full of vagueness. But what about the Russian conflict with the Iranians, etc. as a result, the Russians talk about quitting. But what about the announcement by the Kurds of federalism, which is directly connected with the Russians. And what about the statement by Carey that it will be possible to talk about the section TOL "KO if the other does not work out. And this is in response to the Russians' proposal. It is not clear where the author got his facts, therefore his conclusions are doubtful.
Alexandr Yagodin
"... As a result, Russia, which bombed more hospitals than the USA, but which is considered reliable, breaks applause. And Americans, who position themselves as saviors, but constantly demonstrate that their word cannot be trusted, are subject to booing ...." And who counted the destroyed hospitals? Those who considered broken schools in Gaza?
The last comment, I think, belongs to the Russian citizen. But, as you can see (and it is easy to check), that porridge is still the same. And in porridge enough frank Russophobia and insanity.
Of course, some of our readers from there will now begin to say that I was looking for the wrong place and the wrong thing. Well, everything is simple. I visited the first Russian-language website of Israel, opened a selection of articles for April and looked at what they wrote about us. Here, I found ...
That there is such a Fishman and the Yediot Ahronot newspaper did not know, and had never heard of. But such a newspaper in Israel, apparently, is there, and Fishman also has a place to be.
So everything in Israel is in order. They live and enjoy it, they have both smart people and frank half-wits available. And, having familiarized myself with the fact that people write in the comments on this site, I came to the conclusion that, like us, the first, and the second, roughly in half. That, in general, is normal.
But you shouldn’t seriously criticize and teach us so much, since they themselves have Fishmans and their fans. We have at least. As this little experiment showed, in Israel the work of the car is not endangered in terms of the adequacy of people. Enough with a vengeance.
And why did I put the "part of 1"? In the process of searching, I found another saytik, he seems to be more political than this. I think everyone will be interested to know what the people of Israel write and think about their eternal neighbors - the Palestinians and Syrians? It's funny there. No worse than ours, if we are talking about Ukraine. Just have to wait until I finish the transfer. There, many people write in such a way that first they need to be translated into Russian by a translator, and then again into Russian after the translator. But the value of this does not decrease.
So to be continued!
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