Media: Upgraded Su-25 will be tested soon

The upgraded attack aircraft Su-25СМ3 will be tested in the current month, reports RIA News message "News".

“The first modernized attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be received before the end of this year. All aircraft will be equipped with the latest sighting systems and defense systems that will allow pilots to destroy enemy Tanksremaining invulnerable to anti-aircraft systems, ”the newspaper quoted the source as saying in the videoconferencing system.

The interviewee said that “until the end of 2020, more than forty attack aircraft of this model will be upgraded”. Works are carried out at 121-ohm aircraft repair company in the Moscow region.

The agency recalls that "Su-25СМ3 are designed to destroy in any weather and at any time of the day moving targets, which can be tanks or armored vehicles of various types."

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[Pvi1206]

Modernization significantly increases the capabilities of combat systems.
That in the context of budget constraints is desirable and necessary.

[jjj]

A good car usually lives a long time

[Error]

Air tank! Indispensable for work on the ground.

[edge]

Quote: Error

Air tank! Indispensable for work on the ground.

-Air legend, worthy heir to IL-2

[cniza]

The interviewee said that “until the end of 2020, more than forty attack aircraft of this model will be upgraded”. Works are carried out at 121-ohm aircraft repair company in the Moscow region.

A good figure is more than forty, we just don’t know, and most importantly, no less.

[Inok10]

Quote: cniza

The upgraded attack aircraft Su-25CM3 will be tested in the current month, RIA Novosti reports “Izvestia”.

... I don’t understand if I’m not "smart", or skis do not go ...

The upgraded attack aircraft Su-25CM3 will be tested in the current month, RIA Novosti reports “Izvestia”.

... and who then entered service with the South-East Military District in 2014 and on RT video? ...

Posted on: 5 Dec 2014
From December 01 to December 04, during special training, the crews of the latest Su-25СМ3 Grach airplanes of the air base of the Southern Military District deployed in the Krasnodar Territory will perform flight missions in difficult weather conditions. Also, during combat training missions, attack aircraft will launch guided missiles and reset correctable bombs.

... video ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Inok10

... and who then entered service with the South-East Military District in 2014 and on RT video? ...

... so, clearly ... this is where the little dog rummaged ... the modernization option presented now based on the Su-25UB ... supposed after the modernization of the technical characteristics:
combat radius - 1000 km., due to an additional tank instead of the second pilot's seat
Ceiling - 11 m. - sealed cabin
Full take-off weight - 14,5 t,
Carrying capacity - up to 6 t.
Sighting system - SOLT-25 (optical, laser, thermal system). As is clear from the abbreviation, the complex combines a laser rangefinder and a high-resolution television camera combined with a thermal imager.
Navigation - GLONAS
The main caliber - ATGM "Whirlwind" aircraft will be able to operate on several targets in one run, using 4-6 missiles in one salvo.
of the goodies: ... according to the OBS, maybe a radar with AFAR ... somewhere like that ...

[iouris]

When "Whirlwind" to spend it is a pity the plane approaches the target and becomes quite vulnerable. What's new in the airborne defense complex? As far as I understand, the supply of "opposition" MANPADS to Syria so far excludes combat use from altitudes up to 4000 m. Probably, a specialized UAC is needed to suppress military air defense systems.

[Inok10]

Quote: iouris

What's new in airborne defense?

... KREB "Vitebsk-25" in containers ...

[DMB_95]

And there is - where and on whom to conduct tests in combat conditions. Well done, timely updated Grach.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

For the FABs, they would design some kind of hinged wings and tail feathers to turn them into high-precision weapons. What is in the way?

[Mr.Evil]

Hephaestus is. Cheap and cheerful

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: mr.Evil

Hephaestus is. Cheap and cheerful

If you drop it from a height of 6 kilometers, outside the MANPADS range, with strong winds, the dispersion will be very large for unguided bombs.

[bober1982]

The absence of a jet engine, for such fabs, and the wings must be made of cast iron. For reliability.

[donavi49]

Why engine an adjustable bomb ??? She has a perpetual motion machine force G - which gives speed, due to her deflection of stabilizers, the bomb corrects its fall and gets where it is needed.

Here is a typical set that makes cast iron - an adjustable bomb, and this is a dual-mode option, either by coordinates entered in advance or by highlight.

[Koshak]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

For the FABs, they would design some kind of hinged wings and tail feathers to turn them into high-precision weapons. What is in the way?

To put wings and a guidance system on each bomb is oh-oh-oh-very expensive. Our tradition has found an "asymmetric" method - a specialized computing subsystem (SVP-24) "Hephaestus". In Syria, she ALREADY showed herself.
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/140026/

[Wiruz]

I understand that talking about the start of work on the Promising Aviation Complex of Assault Aviation (PAK SHA) can be considered tales? Will there be no new attack aircraft? So will we upgrade the Su-25?

[2s1122]

Well, so the US attack aircraft is looking for that pensioner but it works, and the replacement is not yet visible to him

[Stas157]

Quote: Wiruz

I understand that talking about the start of work on the Promising Aviation Complex of Assault Aviation (PAK SHA) can be considered tales? Will there be no new attack aircraft? So will we upgrade the Su-25?

And what requirements should be met by PAK SHA, are they already formulated? What can PAK SHA outperform the Su-25? I don’t even understand what Su-25 itself needs to be modernized if it has Hephaestus. The article was never indicated, but what is this modernization about!

[lelikas]

Quote: Stas157

And what are the requirements of PAK SHA,

Even without representatives of the videoconferencing, I can throw out the theses of April.

Increased range and flight time, as an option, the possibility of refueling in the air.
New electronics, with good radar and the ability to fly at night at ultra-low altitude with envelope relief.
New weapons with guided missiles.
Improved engine and airframe reservations as well as new missile defense systems.
A new rescue system - since there was an article about it not long ago.
Something like this, and I’m somewhat far from aviation, I’m sure that the pilots of the attack aircraft themselves have long had their own wishes.

[Stas157]

Quote: lelikas

Increased range and flight time, as an option, the possibility of refueling in the air.

For a front-line attack aircraft, range is not as critical as for a bomber.

Quote: lelikas

New electronics, with good radar and the ability to fly at night at ultra-low altitude with envelope relief.

For the tasks that are set for him, Hephaestus is quite. And at night he flies.

[lelikas]

The front - the concept is very loose, to work with the FAB and NURS, weapons of the first half of the last century - the war is changing. IL-2 could also fly at night.

[Koshak]

Quote: Wiruz

Will there be no new attack aircraft? So will we upgrade the Su-25?

[Ardein]

In fact, there was already a flash of news that this same PAK SHA would be doing based on the backlog of the same Su-25.
What is required of him?
1. Survivability (and armor and electronic warfare).
2. Large ammunition with a wide range of weapons for a wide range of possible tasks.
Stealth is not needed from any side - what do we get?

[vkl.47]

we have 3 times more work in the RPKB. we all need devices

[lelikas]

Quote: Pvi1206

That in the context of budget constraints is desirable and necessary.

I would say, in the absence of new attack aircraft.

[GSH-18]

All aircraft will be equipped with the latest sighting systems and defense systems that will allow pilots to destroy enemy tanks, while remaining invulnerable to anti-aircraft systems

That is good. Apparently, the experience of combat use in Syria was also taken into account.

[CORNET]

Great car! Reliable and unpretentious ... Still serve Russia!

[Lukich]

there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks of our old people)

[Red_Hamer]

“The first modernized attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be received before the end of this year. All aircraft will be equipped the latest sighting systems and defense systemsthat will allow pilots to destroy enemy tanks, while remaining invulnerable to anti-aircraft systems "

That's what it means they checked in practical work, now they are introducing it! And it is right!

[GeorgeSev85]

Good bird! Will give another light!

[Ros 56]

And rightly so than inventing a new bike. If you make a new one, then radically superior to the existing one by at least an order of magnitude, then the costs are justified.
Well, for example, like the An-124 Ruslan: one aircraft replaces three Li-2 air divisions during the war. When I heard, I was dumb.

[DenZ]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, for example, like the An-124 Ruslan: one aircraft replaces three Li-2 air divisions during the war. When I heard, I was dull

Well, as if the Li-2 tank could not lift; that during the Second World War, that modern, so it turns out that the comparison is incorrect!

[Ros 56]

But what, they can only carry tanks, these are the details, this is not about that.

[Dam]

Please note that not only us, but also all opponents actually live on the achievements of the last century. All the same, the peak of the development of the military-industrial complex was at that time. And then the combat vehicles created then are still the workhorse of war

[bocsman]

Quote: Damm

Please note that not only us, but also all opponents actually live on the achievements of the last century. All the same, the peak of the development of the military-industrial complex was at that time. And then the combat vehicles created then are still the workhorse of war

Not only the past but the year before last, and so on to infinity. The whole question is that each idea embodied in a product or mechanism has its own limit of possibilities. Well, it’s not possible to have a piston engine on an airplane to achieve supersonic speed, etc. . Therefore, they exploit by upgrading to the limit of these opportunities and then find new ideas, a new solution and create something better, with completely different principles of action but performing the same tasks.

[Ardein]

Almost all the wars of the last 20-25 years are reduced to the beating of a knowingly weaker enemy. The union fell apart, and Russia was actually in the ruins of its economy. China has just begun to raise its head - that is what the Americans and (the West as a whole) were having fun mostly either cosmetic (like the same JDAM) or paper (like JSF) developments. There was no one to compete on a large scale.

[demiurg]

And what of the equipment is included in the CM3? And how is CM3 different from CM2? A very competent article for a site called MILITARY REVIEW.

[atamankko]

While the economy is tense, it is necessary to modernize outdated, but good equipment.

[gukoyan]

There are no limits to perfection)

[Lens]

In any case, moving forward is progress! Stomping on the spot does not lead to anything good.

[Taygerus]

the car is an excellent resource for modernization there is still so why not, respect to the developers

[Aleksandr1959]

Deep modification of the aircraft based on the Su-25 SM which is equipped with a GLONASS navigation system with the ability to program the end point on the map with an accuracy of 10 m. The aircraft cabin is equipped with a digital display, with the ability to display ground and air conditions. The combat effectiveness of the machine has improved 3 times in comparison with other modifications.

The first modified attack aircraft Su-25SM3 entered service at the air base in the Southern Military District

Su-25SM3, unlike its predecessors, is capable of destroying small-sized moving and motionless ground objects outside their visual visibility in adverse weather conditions as well as air targets.

"About 10 newest Su-25SM3 aircraft arrived at the airbase in the Southern Military District"
http://topwar.ru/24311-okolo-10-noveyshih-samoletov-su-25sm3-postupili-na-aviaba

zu-v-yuvo.html
February 15, 2013 article
How the Su-2013CM25 attack aircraft received in 3 differ from the 2016 version is not clear.
Modernization of the existing Su-25 shows how deep the potential was laid in them during the design. This is good.

[Stabilization]

In my humble opinion, there is just a SM - a serial upgraded one, and the number after - it probably depends on the contract, on the time of delivery to the troops or something like that. There are SU27SM, SM2 and SM3 which, as I understand it, are no different from each other.

[Ardein]

I strongly suspect that it is just an aiming station and electronic warfare systems (such as Vitebsk), well, the possibility of using Vortices, the contract for the supply of which was only recently completed.

[Wiruz]

Su-25SM3 created for destruction in any weather and at any time of the day moving targets, which can be tanks or armored vehicles of various types

For such purposes, it would be time to use drones with suspended ATGMs. And we are chasing all planes

[Muvka]

I think the modernization comes with information from Syria.

[demiurg]

I rummaged through the wiki, for general erudition, and now the message is so clever I share knowledge.
SM without numbers, updated avionics, added ILS and MFD (indication on the windshield and multifunction displays).
SM3 Upgraded combat single-seat attack aircraft. Added by the GLONASS (GPS) satellite navigation system with the ability to program the end point with an accuracy of ten meters, it allows the pilot to operate autonomously with "zero" visibility. Equipped with a subsystem SVP-24-25 (aka "Hephaestus"). SVP-24 allows increasing the accuracy of unguided aircraft weapons to the level of guided weapons
It is a pity that, apparently, the Spear was not set as a Su-39.

[Verdun]

The Rook is a very good aircraft. An attack aircraft of this level has not yet been created by anyone. This does not mean at all that it is unnecessary to conduct new developments. But while they are underway, the existing equipment must undergo modernization. Moreover, the last upgrade package for the Su-25 was developed back in 1995.

[demiurg]

Interestingly, in the current realities is it possible to attack? That is, crawling over the battlefield at low altitude? The company is stretched along the front per kilometer approximately, and this is 10 30mm or 14.5mm barrels. Apart from the rest of the air defense, from MANPADS, arrows / torus / tunguska / shell to beech and s-300/400. What is the chance of surviving the attack aircraft during the second or third approach? We naturally consider equal rivals, air defense is not suppressed, there is no air supremacy.

[Verdun]

So the attack aircraft is used after gaining air supremacy and suppressing air defense. Its task is to destroy armored vehicles and pick out firing points, attack columns on the march, etc. It does not replace any type of weapon, but serves as a logical addition. As for the Rook, its armored capsule can withstand up to eighty hits from the Vulcan aircraft cannon without cracks or chipped armor. Back in the nineties I saw photographs of such tests.

[Aleksandr1959]

As for the Rook, its armored capsule can withstand up to eighty hits from the Vulcan aircraft cannon without cracks or chipped armor. Back in the nineties I saw photographs of such tests.

One of the main differences between an attack aircraft, and, for example, a front-line bomber, is the increased combat survivability provided by a complex of special constructive measures. And what is most characteristic of the Su-25 is to ensure the survival of the pilot when exposed to weapons.
If the Su-25SM3 will be delivered. a system similar to SVP-24, it will be a very good addition to its combat effectiveness.

[Ardein]

In the presence of electronic warfare - high enough. With booking and duplication of systems (and other goodies - such as the same sponge in tanks with a self-tightening coating), everything is fine with him.

[demiurg]

Why attack aircraft if air defense is crushed and air supremacy is won? Fly yourself calmly at 4 kilometers, nobody gets you from the ground. Throw cast iron how much the plane can take away. The latest example, Syria. Although on the An-12, the benefit of the suspensions is on it.

Quote: Alexander1959

As for the Rook, its armored capsule can withstand up to eighty hits from the Vulcan aircraft cannon without cracks or chipped armor. Back in the nineties I saw photographs of such tests.

One of the main differences between an attack aircraft, and, for example, a front-line bomber, is the increased combat survivability provided by a complex of special constructive measures. And what is most characteristic of the Su-25 is to ensure the survival of the pilot when exposed to weapons.
If the Su-25SM3 will be delivered. a system similar to SVP-24, it will be a very good addition to its combat effectiveness.

Su-25cm3 cannot carry a whirlwind. This is not an ice. For a vortex, a flurry module is needed, they could be sawed in a container, and the need for a specialized su-39 would immediately disappear. With this module, automatic target tracking is possible.

[Aleksandr1959]

Su-25cm3 cannot carry a whirlwind. This is not an ice. For a vortex, a flurry module is needed, they could be sawed in a container, and the need for a specialized su-39 would immediately disappear. With this module, automatic target tracking is possible.

Vortexes were first used on the Su-25T. Su-39 (Su-25TM) was a further development of the Su-25T. Unfortunately, neither the one nor the other aircraft went into production. Several Su-25T aircraft were produced during the USSR TAPO named after Dimitrov, which, after the state tests, were transferred from Akhtubinsk to the Lipetsk Center. The Shkval optoelectronic system was not developed in a container version.
I saw the results of using the "Vortex" at the range on a typical target "tank". Inspires. When carrying out G.I. Su-25, combat work was carried out on an air target of the Tu-16 type. On You Tube in one of the videos. where the Chief Designer of the Sukhoi Design Bureau for Attack Aviation Vladimir Petrovich Babak talks about the Su-25 there is a small piece of video work on an air target. True, in order to shoot down this target, two targets on the Tu-16 base were destroyed before that due to SUV-25T failures.

[Verdun]

Quote: demiurg

Throw cast iron how much the plane can take away. The latest example, Syria

To throw bombs from 4 kilometers into a soldier buried in the ground with a grenade launcher or to pick out a cannon that has strengthened itself in the rocks in such a way - from the realm of bad fiction. And it is not economically profitable, and the chances of getting into are miserable. And the desert is one thing, and the mountains and forests are another.

[demiurg]

Quote: Alexander1959

13 billion vortices were bought. The Ka-52s fly with them, and the Mi-28 seems to be not sure about the Mi-28. There are still su-39s, but very few make them.

[Aleksandr1959]

The Su-39, aka Su-25TM, was to be manufactured by the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant, since for the Su-25t and Su-39 (Su-25TM), the fuselage of the Su-25UB was used as the basis. The design of the Su-39 / Su-25TM aircraft is generally similar to that of the Su-25UB. An additional soft fuel tank is located in place of the cockpit of the second pilot, and above it is a compartment for placing additional avionics. The cannon was moved under fuel tank No. 3 and shifted to the right by the axis of symmetry of the aircraft by 273 mm, and the vacant space under the cockpit was occupied by avionics. The front landing gear is offset to the left of the axis of symmetry by 222 mm. An additional soft fuel tank is installed in the rear of the fuselage. The cockpit is sealed, which allowed to raise the maximum height of combat use from 7000 to 10 000 m.
Production of Su-39 was mastered at the Ulan-Ude aircraft factory. That's just released was not more than four aircraft.
Here is one of them released in the early 90's. b.N 21. Specialists of the Sukhoi Design Bureau gave me a similar photo. when I quit the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
Ka-50 and Ka-52 can operate with "Vortexes", since a similar PrNK "Shkval" is installed there.

[demiurg]

Quote: Verdun

Quote: demiurg

Throw cast iron how much the plane can take away. The latest example, Syria

To throw bombs from 4 kilometers into a soldier buried in the ground with a grenade launcher or to pick out a cannon that has strengthened itself in the rocks in such a way - from the realm of bad fiction. And it is not economically profitable, and the chances of getting into are miserable. And the desert is one thing, and the mountains and forests are another.

With hephaestus? No matter where the soldier or gun buried. After the appearance of their coordinates, it is even better to bomb the rocks from a height, the concrete bomb will gain more speed. But there is no risk of losing the car from a stray bullet. Anyway, you do not need to spoil the landscape and break rocks. There are wonderful ammunition for a voluminous explosion, and for gourmets, incendiary tanks.

[Verdun]

Quote: demiurg

There are wonderful voluminous ammo explosions

With increasing height (in other words, in rarefied air), the effectiveness of ammunition in a volumetric explosion significantly decreases. Concrete bombs are designed to destroy fortifications and buildings, and not to combat enemy manpower. by the recommended methods, you can destroy a lot of false targets, but still not achieve the desired result.

[demiurg]

Quote: Verdun

Quote: demiurg

There are wonderful voluminous ammo explosions

With increasing height (in other words, in rarefied air), the effectiveness of ammunition in a volumetric explosion significantly decreases. Concrete bombs are designed to destroy fortifications and buildings, and not to combat enemy manpower. by the recommended methods, you can destroy a lot of false targets, but still not achieve the desired result.

Well, and the cannon in the rocks, how are you going to pick it out with the Su-25?
You are nevertheless closer to aviation along the way than me, so do not hesitate to educate. Besides jokes, I say so. Why can not tanks with incendiary mixture? Why is it impossible to strike a precision strike from above?

[Verdun]

Any types of military equipment are used on the basis of the necessary sufficiency. For the sake of destroying the annoying wasp, no one will blow up a grenade in the room - they will take a fly swatter and swat it. High-precision ammunition can destroy pinpoint targets. But! First, they are quite expensive. And secondly, not only ammunition is being improved, but also methods of countering them. For example, in conditions of strong smoke, the accuracy of ammunition with a laser guidance head decreases. On folded terrain, high-precision ammunition often does not see the target and requires ground illumination. That is why in Syria, a significant part of the losses of our army are specialists in target illumination. Aviation cannons and NURSs mounted on an armored attack aircraft capable of being in the zone of fire contact with the enemy for a long time help to cope with the task. At the moment, the Su-25 is the only one who can handle it. It was created specifically for such tasks as an attack aircraft for direct support of troops. It can drop bombs even at low level flight, without the risk of being hit by their fragments. A-10 "Thunderbolt-2" is sharpened as anti-tank. His booking is worse and flights at low altitudes are contraindicated for him.

[Aleksandr1959]

Why is it impossible to strike a precision strike from above?

Most accurately always work with a dive. At one time in Soviet times, even before the withdrawal of the Soviet contingent from Afghanistan, tests were carried out in Akhtubinsk on the Su-25 and Su-17M4 to work with maximum diving angles. Estimate the trajectory of the same aerial bomb when diving and in horizontal flight. Where is the more likely deviation from the target?

Why can not tanks with incendiary mixture?

You can work with various ASP (aviation weapons) ... but also, accordingly, for different purposes in different conditions. You can work with RBC, you can also work with KMGU on manpower. This is with regard to unguided weapons. You can also use a cannon. One of the test pilots, who had fought in Afghanistan before Akhtubinsk, told how, in pursuit of caravans, he cut a half-cargo Toyota in a line across. For the same duval in Afghanistan, according to his stories, LDCs could work quite effectively. ZB (incendiary tanks) are effective when used against a sufficiently concentrated enemy manpower in one place. For guided weapons, again, their typical goals and conditions of use.
In 1995 or 1996, during the launch of the Kh-25ML from the Su-25, which belongs to the now disbanded 16VA, the missile guidance was disrupted .... and it fell eight kilometers from the Novo-Voronezh nuclear power plant. It is precisely for launches of missiles from LGSN that the dive angle is critical. The smaller it is, the more "smeared" the spot that the rocket captures (in the absence of external illumination, that is, an aircraft gunner with the appropriate laser target illumination equipment). Etc...

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: Alexander1959

The Su-39, aka Su-25TM, was to be manufactured by the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant, since for the Su-25t and Su-39 (Su-25TM), the fuselage of the Su-25UB was used as the basis. The design of the Su-39 / Su-25TM aircraft is generally similar to that of the Su-25UB. An additional soft fuel tank is located in place of the cockpit of the second pilot, and above it is a compartment for placing additional avionics. The cannon was moved under fuel tank No. 3 and shifted to the right by the axis of symmetry of the aircraft by 273 mm, and the vacant space under the cockpit was occupied by avionics. The front landing gear is offset to the left of the axis of symmetry by 222 mm. An additional soft fuel tank is installed in the rear of the fuselage. The cockpit is sealed, which allowed to raise the maximum height of combat use from 7000 to 10 000 m.
Production of Su-39 was mastered at the Ulan-Ude aircraft factory. That's just released was not more than four aircraft.
Here is one of them released in the early 90's. b.N 21. Specialists of the Sukhoi Design Bureau gave me a similar photo. when I quit the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
Ka-50 and Ka-52 can operate with "Vortexes", since a similar PrNK "Shkval" is installed there.

Good car. Reliable attack aircraft.
I wonder what else the KB attack aircraft will create?
Surely there are already models. Purge and are silent)

[Westet2]

I remember as far back as six years ago in the Striking Force they showed the SU-39 like this is the modernization of the Su 25, but somehow it is still not visible (((

[Aleksandr1959]

Su-25TM (Su-39) as well as Su-25T did not go into series, due to the likely economic situation of the 90s. State tests of the Su-25T were completed in 1993. But, in addition to several cars manufactured by TAPO named after Dimitrov, from Soviet times, not a single car was produced. The same cars were transferred from Akhtubinsk to the Lipetsk Center in 1996. Some of these vehicles were noted in Chechnya. In what condition they are now ... it's hard to say. The planes are more than 20 years old, and apparently they have not been engaged in any repairs or any modernization. Su-25TM was released, according to clandestine information, in Ulan-Ude no more than four aircraft. And apparently on this the story of these machines ended. It is possible that the results obtained during testing and during operation in Lipetsk will be used in the development of the PAK SHA. Since the Commander of the VKS Bondarev once announced that the PAK SHA will be created on the basis of the Su-25UB.