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Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable

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The problem of concluding a peace treaty with the Russian Federation is inextricably linked with the problem of the “northern territories” (islands of the Kuril ridge), RIA News statement by the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry Fumio Kisida.


Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable


"The problem of the peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories",
- said Kishida at the press conference.

He noted that on Friday with Sergei Lavrov, "a discussion on Japanese-Russian relations will take place, including the issue of a peace treaty."

Today, the two-day visit of the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry to Japan begins, during which “prospects for a peace treaty, a territorial issue, as well as the need to enhance trade and economic cooperation between the two countries” will be discussed.

On Tuesday, Kisida said that "the problem of the peace treaty is nothing else but the problem of the northern territories."

On the same day, Lavrov stressed at a press conference that “The peace treaty theme cannot be reduced to some territorial issues, especially territorial claims, if only because the only document that was signed and ratified by both parties is the Joint 1956 Declaration of the Year,” states that the parties rejected any claims to each other, and the immediate task is to sign a peace treaty. " The Minister also noted that “There is no mention of a territorial issue being negotiated in a peace treaty.”
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  1. Vend
    Vend April 15 2016 09: 57
    +19
    Count on. laughing The answer will be the same laughingPeople do not understand the words, They were told that the biggest thing they can count on is a free economic zone. Not more. Yes, it’s hard to be wooden to the waist, the rest is chipboard.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin April 15 2016 10: 05
      +31
      Quote: Wend
      People do not understand the words, They were told that the biggest thing they can count on is a free economic zone. Not more.

      Japan should not be allowed on the Kuril Islands in any way. No zones for them there. The peace treaty is Japan’s problem, sabaka barks the wind wears. We lived without a peace treaty from the end of the Second World War, and we will continue to live.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall April 15 2016 10: 08
        +10
        The head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry, Fumio Kishida, would like to advise you not to wear your main order for a meeting with Lavrov laughing
        1. jjj
          jjj April 15 2016 10: 14
          +5
          I have never noticed kleptomal inclinations behind our Foreign Ministry. But the Japanese have pathological victimization
          1. Foofighter
            Foofighter April 15 2016 11: 48
            +5
            In short, since the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry has already stated this, let Japan leave the UN, which is accepted on the basis of the adoption of the 2MB results and cease the ceasefire, at the same time transferring the lead to its American allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Alaska is not far from us ...
            If there is no peace treaty, and it means that the state of war is still between us, then what is their embassy in Moscow doing? Why is the full complement not interned? We can also send the American (those that are not spies) through some neutral country ... For example, through Iran smile
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 16 2016 17: 47
              0
              The Japanese would have agreed to everything for a long time. But there is a but.
              These are our US partners. Either they claim the islands, or the Americans select Okinawa. And that’s all. Japan without Okinawa - you understand ... So they sing their gloomy song about the Northern Territory. And the USA rested on these islands precisely because of why we took them after the war - between them is the only deepwater passage into the ocean for our nuclear submarines. Therefore, the Japanese do not agree to the 2 islands - the American problem is not solved this way. All. Dead end.
        2. Constructor1
          Constructor1 April 15 2016 12: 43
          +5
          "The problem of the peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories",

          And we have no problems with the northern territories)) AND WHAT WILL WE DO?
      2. Proxima
        Proxima April 15 2016 10: 48
        +11
        Quote: volot-voin

        Japan should not be allowed on the Kuril Islands in any way.

        I agree. To bind the "problem of the northern territories" and a peace treaty, and even blackmail with this, is a wiring for stupid people. The Far Eastern borders of Russia are recognized by the UN and no one has any questions about this (except for the Japanese, of course). Let the "samurai" say THANKS TO STALIN that he did not chop off Hokkaido from them, although the allies recommended that he do it. And this island is not some Kuril Islands. This territory is roughly equivalent in size to Bulgaria.
      3. oblako
        oblako April 15 2016 13: 19
        +2
        The US bases are home, and let's go to the free economic zone of Russia ... It wasn’t a damn thing to fight with us. This is for you to remember.
      4. Persistent
        Persistent April 15 2016 15: 27
        +2
        Japan should not be allowed on the Kuril Islands in any way. No zones there

        I completely agree !! They in their territorial waters have already caught and devoured the entire plankton. Now they have opened their hungry mouth on our body of water. BUT !!! The most important thing is that through them the mattresses try to put their NP on these islands to track the output of our submarine missile carriers !!!
    2. Sid.74
      Sid.74 April 15 2016 10: 07
      +11
      Your ears are from a dead donkey, not the Kuriles! .. tongue

      Shoigu gave instructions that Bastions, Balls, air defense will be placed on the islands ... we consider the issue of the Kuril Islands closed.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 15 2016 11: 14
        +4
        Quote: Sid.74
        Shoigu gave instructions that Bastions, Balls, air defense will be placed on the islands ... we consider the issue of the Kuril Islands closed.

        My five kopecks, all in all, on the Kuril Islands they will build 466 objects of military infrastructure, and the total area of ​​facilities under construction exceeds 390 thousand square meters. m. Zhenya, hi !
    3. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA April 15 2016 10: 11
      +3
      Well, so-and-so ... They didn’t pull a thread, they themselves were ripe, unlikely.
      On Tuesday, Kishida said that “the problem of the peace treaty is nothing but the problem of the northern territories”
      there are no problems in the peace treaty — it either exists or it does not exist (peace treaty) Otherwise, it is blackmail. You are the territory for us — we will conclude a peace treaty. How will the Foreign Ministry and blackmailers behave? I think the answer is obvious. Go to the back .. - The most appropriate expression of the problem.
      1. Stalker.1977
        Stalker.1977 April 15 2016 10: 18
        +8
        Japan reminds me of an expression such: mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus.
    4. Gorynovich
      Gorynovich April 15 2016 10: 40
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      People don’t understand words.

      It is high time to say unequivocally that the issue is closed: we do not know at all what these "northern territories" are. Maybe, due to some unfortunate misunderstanding, they call the eastern territories of Russia that way?
      Geography must be taught. And then we will help)
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz April 15 2016 10: 53
      +5
      Now the Japanese have friends of interest who are going to return Crimea)))
    6. cap
      cap April 15 2016 11: 04
      +4
      Quote: Wend
      Yes, it’s hard to be wooden to the waist, the rest is chipboard.


      Japan lives by the principle of the mafia (a matter of principle). For simple Japanese, these territories are like a Turkish drum to the Russians.
      They will fight for every meter.
      If we give, we will remain without a passage from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk of our submarines.
      Conclusion - you can’t give it away, you can dig to sow cultivate aquaculture (a purely political decision). And no more. am
    7. gergi
      gergi April 15 2016 16: 54
      +2
      Japan needs the peace treaty more than Russia. Previously, they were self-insulated, now their occupants isolate. Those sitting on islets in a seismic hazard zone grind their teeth at their great neighbor, who, the only one of all, could give a helping hand in case of a cataclysm. The loss of independence is a disaster for any nation.
  2. Baloo
    Baloo April 15 2016 09: 59
    +10
    The Japanese are numb, they want a nose? Let the FSA shake, demand compensation for Hiroshima from Nagasaki and Fokushima, yo ... fool
  3. Andrey K
    Andrey K April 15 2016 09: 59
    +18
    "Tokyo, in contrast to Moscow's opinion, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the 'northern territories' are inseparable" ...
    Well these are Tokyo's problems wassat
  4. avvg
    avvg April 15 2016 10: 00
    +3
    Unlike us, the Japanese apparently read, from right to left.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak April 15 2016 10: 13
      +5
      Quote: avvg
      Unlike us, the Japanese apparently read, from right to left.

      They read and write from top to bottom.
    2. jjj
      jjj April 15 2016 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      The Japanese apparently read, from right to left.

      No, top to bottom
    3. reservist
      reservist April 15 2016 10: 44
      +1
      still more sophisticated

      from wikipedia
      Traditionally, the Japanese used the Chinese vertical way of writing, 縦 書 き (た て が き, tategaki, literally "vertical writing") - characters go from top to bottom and columns from right to left. This method continues to be widely used in fiction and in newspapers. In the scientific and technical literature and in computers, the European way of writing is most often used, 横 書 き (よ こ が き, yokogaki as “lateral letter”) - the characters go from left to right, and the lines go from top to bottom.
  5. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 15 2016 10: 02
    +6
    The agreement was signed, the territory was transferred to the USSR, the heiress of which Russia is, what else is needed. There was nothing to open the mittens throughout the Asia-Pacific region.
    1. Rader
      Rader April 15 2016 11: 11
      +1
      We signed the agreement and safely forgot that we also need to sign a peace agreement. They say correctly: there is nothing more permanent than temporary wink Yes, the issue of territories was resolved in this treaty (although this issue was resolved by itself completely with the advent of the atomic bomb in the USSR laughing ), but then it was necessary to strain the diplomats and sign peace treaties! What would it do now? Well, the day of the "northern territories" would not disappear anywhere, but we would not hear any mention of "good-neighborliness problems associated with the occupation of a part of the territories ..." and other nonsense from high-ranking officials. We have lived for so many years "in a state of war" and nothing, we will live the same amount of time.
      There was nothing to open the mittens throughout the Asia-Pacific region.
      And here it is interesting, tk. the mitten, it seems, began to "undress" again. No, of course, they won't trample on the Kuriles, it's so simple, from the bay of the flounder ... Although, the devil knows these samurai with pakimon sauce ... lol
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 April 15 2016 12: 56
        -2
        A compromise decision was also announced - the islands of Habomai and Shikotan would be returned to Japan in exchange for unconditional recognition of the sovereignty of the USSR over all other disputed territories. But this could happen only after the conclusion of a peace treaty.
  6. Koshak
    Koshak April 15 2016 10: 02
    +7
    We have lived without a contract for 70 years, and we will still live. Zadolbali these samurai: "Kuril volost, Kuril volost"
    Kemska parishKemska parish
  7. magician
    magician April 15 2016 10: 03
    +10
    Japan acted through its actions the northern territories. In the country of the setting sun and a broken sword, Russophobia and militarism flourish, the presence of American bases, etc. History has not taught anything, but the people themselves are not bad. Sad but true. And to be bases in the Kuril Islands, we are defending our territory, we have every right in connection with the current situation in the world.
  8. Erg
    Erg April 15 2016 10: 04
    +4
    I can’t understand why this topic is being discussed over and over again? At one time, an agreement was signed. Dot.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets April 15 2016 10: 42
      +8
      Quote: Erg
      I can’t understand why this topic is being discussed over and over again? At one time, an agreement was signed. Dot.

      The leadership of the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan promised in the pre-election campaign that it would sign a peace treaty with the Russian Federation on the terms dictated by Japan. And yesterday I wrote in the comments on this visit that the requirements for Japan to return Russian gold and pay all compensation for the damage caused to the Russian Federation in the years 1918-1922 during the intervention and compensation for damage for 1923-1945 will immediately remove this issue. The Japanese consider this issue unacceptable and immediately withdraw their demands, but the obligations of the Japanese are there and they are kept in Moscow. Who cares see Sirotkin "Foreign gold of Russia" , Latyshev, "How Japan stole Russian gold." Shirokorad, "The cruisers that Khrushchev destroyed." There are also links to archival documents of the NKVD and OGPU about how the Japanese were doing their best in our Far Eastern seas. And the fact that the Japanese are insistently demanding a peace treaty and the Kuril islands, this will immediately untie the hands of the Japanese to all kinds of provocations. Now we are in a state of temporary truce and about one hundred we can give the Japanese in the teeth and they will swallow it and become silky. We must demand the version of the agreement that the Japanese themselves proposed to Stalin in August 1945, when, in addition to the Kuriles, the Japanese wanted to give Hokkaido to compensate for the losses incurred by the USSR in the period 1918-1945.
      1. cap
        cap April 15 2016 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: Erg
        I can’t understand why this topic is being discussed over and over again? At one time, an agreement was signed. Dot.

        The leadership of the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan promised in the pre-election campaign that it would sign a peace treaty with the Russian Federation on the terms dictated by Japan. And yesterday I wrote in the comments on this visit that the requirements for Japan to return Russian gold and pay all compensation for the damage caused to the Russian Federation in the years 1918-1922 during the intervention and compensation for damage for 1923-1945 will immediately remove this issue. The Japanese consider this issue unacceptable and immediately withdraw their demands, but the obligations of the Japanese are there and they are kept in Moscow. Who cares see Sirotkin "Foreign gold of Russia" , Latyshev, "How Japan stole Russian gold." Shirokorad, "The cruisers that Khrushchev destroyed." There are also links to archival documents of the NKVD and OGPU about how the Japanese were doing their best in our Far Eastern seas. And the fact that the Japanese are insistently demanding a peace treaty and the Kuril islands, this will immediately untie the hands of the Japanese to all kinds of provocations. Now we are in a state of temporary truce and about one hundred we can give the Japanese in the teeth and they will swallow it and become silky. We must demand the version of the agreement that the Japanese themselves proposed to Stalin in August 1945, when, in addition to the Kuriles, the Japanese wanted to give Hokkaido to compensate for the losses incurred by the USSR in the period 1918-1945.


        All you write needs political will.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets April 15 2016 12: 40
          +1
          Quote: cap
          All you write needs political will.

          Exactly! And the drunk EBN promised, and the sober Japanese believed, but the Habomai archipelago and joint economic activities on these islands did not suit the Japanese.
          http://edo-tokyo.livejournal.com/3780052.html
    2. reservist
      reservist April 15 2016 10: 50
      0
      in 56 they signed not a treaty, but a declaration on ending the war
  9. Arkan
    Arkan April 15 2016 10: 04
    +2
    The Minister, in addition, noted that "there is no mention that the territorial issue will be considered in the negotiations on a peace treaty."


    The Japanese are deaf and blind. The deployment of a group of forces in the Kuril Islands does not tell them anything.
  10. AlexTires
    AlexTires April 15 2016 10: 04
    +1
    Japan is not a sovereign state, so we can only talk about the inter-regional relations of one region with another region. for example, the state of Japan with Komi, or with the CBD, or the Yakhroma region of the Moscow region, for the development of trade relations ... for me, it’s time the Japanese should become part of Russia and that’s the end! request
  11. HAM
    HAM April 15 2016 10: 05
    +5
    EVERYTHING SUCH Amerikosy little taped a nuclear club on the head of the Japanese, not all the nonsense burned out.
    1. cap
      cap April 15 2016 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: HAM
      EVERYTHING SUCH Amerikosy little taped a nuclear club on the head of the Japanese, not all the nonsense burned out.


      Baska became American. That's all.
  12. X Y Z
    X Y Z April 15 2016 10: 05
    +6
    Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable


    You can consider yourself and Napoleon and the Pope. And what will it give?
  13. bocsman
    bocsman April 15 2016 10: 08
    +2
    I would advise them (the Japanese) to read Bismarck's quotes, they are unlikely to be taught this in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And the "comrade" knew what he was talking about, no matter how he walked with Prince Gorchakov. If only walking this, - Russians always come for theirs. We all remember 1905 and 1945. Maybe after such a "short" course, appetites would have been tempered.
    1. Rock_n_roll
      Rock_n_roll April 15 2016 10: 21
      -17%
      Unlike you, Bismrak knew what he was saying). And what does the Japanese have to remember about the 45th? They did not start a war with the USSR.
      1. Sarmat149
        Sarmat149 April 15 2016 10: 29
        +11
        Yes, they did not start after they received it in the face at Khalkhin Gol. But our merchant ships were drowned and our people perished. Yes, and there were enough provocations. However, you are doing stuffing.
        1. Rock_n_roll
          Rock_n_roll April 15 2016 10: 36
          -12%
          Ignoramus, but where is Khalkhin Goal located in the USSR? What kind of merchant ships did the Japanese drown and when? Moreover, the agreement on neutrality was concluded in the aperture of the 41st, after Khalkhin Gol.
          Throw, just you, fasting outright nonsense. Before shouting slogans, it would be nice to familiarize yourself with the materiel.
          1. guzik007
            guzik007 April 15 2016 10: 52
            +6
            Ignoramus, and where Khalkhin Goal is located in the USSR
            -------------------------------------------------- ---
            Well, certainly not in Japan. And if you, wise guy, remember, we had mutual agreements with Mongolia in the military unit. And mops in Mongolia did not pick berries. Do not try to misinterpret the story here, take care of self-education
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          3. tanit
            tanit April 15 2016 11: 14
            +5
            In the period 1941-1945 (April) DGMP [Far Eastern State Shipping Company] lost 2 ships - Perekop and Maykop and [from the actions of Japanese] artillery - Krechet from the actions of Japanese aviation. \
            On the issue of clothing and equipment.
            A pact with Japan was denounced in April 1945. And, by the way, for the runners of materiel, in 1941 it was not signed by I.V. Stalin.
          4. reservist
            reservist April 15 2016 11: 29
            +4
            Quote: Rock_n_Roll
            What kind of merchant ships did the Japanese drown and when?

            Central Naval Archive (hereinafter - CVMA), f. 2, op. 1, d.1023, p. 78-84; History of Foreign Policy of the USSR, vol. 1, p. 495.
            From December 1, 1941 to April 10, 1945, Japanese warships stopped about 200 times (sometimes using weapons) and inspected Soviet merchant and fishing vessels. Some of them were detained for a long time, and 18 vessels were sunk. The total losses of Soviet shipping during this time amounted to about 637 million rubles.
          5. Homo
            Homo April 15 2016 12: 14
            -1
            Quote: Rock_n_Roll
            Before shouting slogans, it would be nice to familiarize yourself with the materiel.

            Here you are right, only apply this to yourself too. Why did the USSR conclude an agreement on neutrality? Then denounced the agreement? Yes, and the USSR fought in China (liberated from occupation).
          6. reservist
            reservist April 15 2016 12: 55
            +2
            Quote: Rock_n_Roll
            where is Khalkhin Goal, in the USSR?

            on the border of Mongolia and Manchuria, i.e. respectively the allies of the USSR and Japan
            but if we talk about Khalkhin-Gol of 1939, then we need to remember about Hassan of 1938 ...
          7. reservist
            reservist April 15 2016 13: 17
            0
            Quote: Rock_n_Roll
            the agreement on neutrality was concluded in the aperture of the 41st, after Khalkhin Gol.

            from the second article of the 1941 Neutrality Agreement with Japan:
            “In the event that one of the Contracting Parties is object of hostilities on the part of one or several third powers, the other Contracting Party shall maintain neutrality in the continuation of the entire conflict. ”

            And who attacked whom - the USA, England and China against Japan or vice versa?
            those. who according to the text of the Agreement was subject, who the object ?
      2. reservist
        reservist April 15 2016 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: Rock_n_Roll
        They did not start a war with the USSR.

        but in 1904 they attacked the Russian squadron in Port Arthur without an official declaration of war
      3. Homo
        Homo April 15 2016 12: 11
        +2
        Quote: Rock_n_Roll
        Unlike you, Bismrak knew what he was saying). And what does the Japanese have to remember about the 45th? They did not start a war with the USSR.

        They only entered the Hitler coalition, fought with the USA and England (our allies) and occupied China.
        1. reservist
          reservist April 15 2016 12: 23
          +1
          so not only China ...
        2. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo April 15 2016 13: 02
          0
          Quote: Homo
          Just entered the Hitler coalition

          Not always, there was a time in the 30s under Hitler, when Germany also fought with Japan in China.
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      4. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 April 15 2016 12: 48
        +1
        If you read the history of the Second World War, and in particular the war of the USSR with militaristic Japan, you will understand that they danced to the tune of the Nazis and therefore got what they deserved.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets April 15 2016 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Spartanez300
          therefore, they danced to the tune of the Nazis and got what they deserved.

          ... until the middle of 1943, hanging over the Soviet Far East and Eastern Siberia with its millionth Kwantung Army, Japan fettered the Red Army troops stationed here, not allowing them to be used in the struggle against the Nazi invaders.

          As a result, up to a third of the Armed Forces of the USSR could not take part in the fight against the Hitler hordes. This is confirmed by official data:

          “As of December 1, 1941, out of 5495 thousand people of the total composition of the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union, 1568 thousand, or over 28%, were in the Far East and at the southern borders. Of the 4495 tanks that were in service with the Red Army at that time, 2541 tanks were in the Far East and at the southern borders of the USSR, of which 5274 aircraft remained in the same place.
      5. volodya
        volodya April 15 2016 16: 46
        +2
        Quote: Rock_n_Roll
        Unlike you, Bismrak knew what he was saying). And what does the Japanese have to remember about the 45th? They did not start a war with the USSR.

        Yes, they didn’t start the war, but they think that the Russians dropped atomic bombs on them. That's how their Americans brought up.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets April 15 2016 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: volodya
          Yes, they didn’t start a war

          The plan of attack on the USSR was ready, the Japanese were just waiting for the right moment.
  14. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 April 15 2016 10: 10
    +6
    And we do not need a peace treaty with the Japanese. They always attacked stealthily, suddenly and without declaring war. This is the most samurai valor)). Here are the restless.
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 15 2016 10: 10
    +4
    "The problem of the peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories",

    Since 1945, since the defeat of Japan in the 2nd Military District, we have been living with them without a peace treaty and do not cough. Now they are constantly trying to set us conditions for the so-called. "northern territories", which went to the USSR following the results of the 2nd WW. Let's start, too, as the Balts, Poles and even Germans (I keep quiet about the United States) to review the results of the victory over fascism? So is there a need for such a peace treaty, which implies the surrender of our territories? Maybe a referendum on this issue?
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    2. Erg
      Erg April 15 2016 10: 47
      +3
      Or maybe it would be better to close the topic. Referendum. Hm. How much honor ...
  16. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll April 15 2016 10: 15
    -18%
    In fact, if you move away from the bravura pseudo-patriotic chants in the style of the Russian Spring and reproduce the situation in the form in which it originally developed, then the conclusion suggests itself - Japan came at least ugly.
    In April of the 41st, Stalin concluded an informal agreement with Japan on the following conditions:
    1. The USSR ceases military assistance to the Chinese partisans, both in arms and in advisers. It undertakes not to place on its territory airfields for American aircraft in the event of a US conflict with Japan.
    2. Japan undertakes not to start hostilities against the USSR in the near foreseeable future.
    Japan fulfilled its obligations, which allowed even before the outbreak of war with Germany to begin the transfer of the most combat-ready formations, almost all aviation, tanks and howitzer artillery to the Western Front.
    The Soviet Union, having ceased military support to China, nevertheless equipped, though under the strictest confidence, airfields for hauling American planes in Siberia. Although they were not planned to be used against Japan, the letter of the agreement was formally violated and the Japanese had good reason to terminate this agreement. In addition, the dire situation on the fronts of 41-42 years contributed to this. However, this did not happen.
    Well, about the further declaration of war and the defeat of the Kwantung army, everything is clear, allied duty, etc. But Japan still fought with the United States, and not with the USSR, this must be taken into account.
    It is clear that these islands are currently of value to Russia both in terms of straits for the TF and in terms of fishing. However, to clarify the situation and dot the e at the official level is still necessary.
    1. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 April 15 2016 10: 24
      +10
      Not convincing. Do you want to feel sorry for Japan or throw rotten thoughts into our heads? It’s good to work out grants))).
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 15 2016 10: 44
      +7
      For Rock_n_roll
      Japan fulfilled its obligations

      This was especially striking. These are the obligations that Japan fulfilled. Do not openly attack the USSR? Do you know how many Soviet soldiers were killed in the Far East during the period of "fulfillment" of these obligations? And, what did the army have to keep in the Far East, when there was tension near Moscow? And there are many more examples. And I would like to remind you that the tribunal over Japanese war criminals was held in the Far East (including in Khabarovsk).
    3. guzik007
      guzik007 April 15 2016 10: 55
      +3
      In April of the 41st, Stalin concluded an informal agreement with Japan on the following conditions:
      -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

      Stalin, if you remember, and Germany signed a treaty of mutual non-aggression.
      You seem to be to blame for everything.
      Do not read the yellow press, I strongly advise you: =)
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    5. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 April 15 2016 11: 01
      +2
      Attack on the USSR of Japan was prevented by the conduct of active hostilities in the Pacific theater, but if the Germans could achieve great success at the initial stage of the war, the Japanese would not be shy.
      1. reservist
        reservist April 15 2016 11: 39
        +2
        +1
        The Japanese ambassador to Berlin, H. Oshima, told March 1943, XNUMX to Ribbentrop: the Japanese government is of the opinion that "you should not join the war against Russia now"
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    7. reservist
      reservist April 15 2016 11: 36
      +4
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      In April of the 41st, Stalin concluded an informal agreement with Japan.
      [...]
      Japan fulfilled its obligations

      From the Sentence of the Tokyo Military Tribunal on Japan's Non-Compliance with the Neutrality Pact with the USSR of November 4-12, 1948
      It was definitely established that Japan concluded the neutrality pact insincerely and as an event that would help it realize its aggressive intentions against the USSR.

      In 1942, the Japanese General Staff of the Army and the Headquarters of the Kwantung Army developed new offensive military plans against the Soviet Union, which remained in force for 1943.

      According to these plans, the war against the Soviet Union was to begin unexpectedly after the concentration in Manchuria of about 30 divisions.

      The Tribunal believes that until 1943, Japan not only planned to wage an aggressive war against the Soviet Union, but also continued to actively prepare for such a war.

      I’ll add that the tribunal was held not only with the participation of the USSR ...
    8. Homo
      Homo April 15 2016 12: 22
      0
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      1. The USSR ceases military assistance to the Chinese partisans, both in arms and in advisers.

      The USSR could not fight on two fronts, this is a forced agreement.
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      It undertakes not to place on its territory airfields for American aircraft in the event of a US conflict with Japan.

      So our airfields were not used by the Americans against Japan.
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      2. Japan undertakes not to start hostilities against the USSR in the near foreseeable future.

      What is the legal term "foreseeable future". This future may come tomorrow.
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      But Japan still fought with the United States, and not with the USSR, this must be taken into account.

      And also we must take into account the fact that the United States opened a second front helping us, and in response we declared war on Japan.
    9. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo April 15 2016 14: 56
      -1
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      The USSR, having ceased its military support for China, nevertheless equipped, though under the strictest secrecy, airfields for hauling American planes in Siberia. Although they were not planned to be used against Japan, the letter of the agreement was formally violated and the Japanese had good reason to terminate this agreement.

      Theoretically, they probably couldn't shoot down Land-Lease planes. And they had a route through Alaska to Kamchatka, at a sufficient distance from the then Japanese Kuril ridge. What worried them was the landing of American bombers that they had destroyed in our Far East. Occasionally, if they were unable to reach China, they landed with us. The pilots immediately went to the concentration camp with enhanced nutrition (we had one specially for them), the planes did not return to America, but stayed with us. Later they were copied by order of Stalin, including the Leica camera, which was in one of the bombers because no one dared to ask Stalin again whether it should be copied too. This camera was produced under the Zorkiy brand.
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 15 2016 18: 48
        +1
        where are you this hangover nonsense tore off about AMERICAN "LEIKU"??

        Leika Camera (German: Leica Camera AG) is a German company specializing in the production of optical systems and precision mechanical instruments, founded in 1849.
        He is engaged in the development of cameras from the 1913 year and mass-produces cameras from the 1925 year.
        “Leica” is the abbreviation for “Leitzsche Camera” (Leutz Kamera, named after entrepreneur Ernst Leitz). Before it was called “Ernst Leitz GmbH” (Ernst Leitz LLC). Until 1945, it was the largest manufacturer of microscopes in the world.

        Photographers continued to call the issued Soviet copy of “FED” “Watering Can,” and this name eventually became a household name for any compact camera.
        "FED" was produced from 1934 to the mid-50s, when it was replaced by "FED-2." "FED" was a copy of the German Leica II camera. Produced by the Kharkov Labor Commune named "Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky" (hence the name by name), created from former street children by the famous teacher Anton Makarenko (the history of the creation of the FED is described in his books published before the Second World War).

        "Vigilant" (not "Vigilant-1", as it is often called), made based on the camera "FED" in 1948 year (14 years after FED !!!!)

        We had problems with precision mechanics and optics in the country until the 50-60 years - where to go from this, we got such a legacy from the king ....

        About the concentration camp with enhanced nutrition, nice, but tasteful ... I didn’t even look for it, it’s just lush hangover ...
        1. Captain nemo
          Captain nemo April 16 2016 10: 23
          0
          Quote: your1970
          Where are you this hangover nonsense ripped off about the AMERICAN "LEIKA" ????

          From the Russian media. Thanks for the clarifications, not special in these matters.
          About the concentration camp with enhanced nutrition, nice, but tasteful ... I didn’t even look for it, it’s just lush hangover ...

          Yes, please, it's good that I haven't written in my post about the fact that the guards of this concentration camp (it was in Central Asia) organized the American pilots to escape either to Iran, or to Afghanistan, and none of the "escaped" was shot while trying to "escape".
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    11. gunya
      gunya April 15 2016 15: 17
      +3
      Rock_n_Roll (2) RU

      However, to clarify the situation and dot the e at the official level is still necessary.

      do not place airfields on its territory for american airplanes in the event of a US conflict with Japan.


      If you carefully read the contract, it turns out that "American combat aircraft"And not American-made aircraft.

      Aerodromes built for Lend-Lease aircraft distillation do not fall under the terms of the contract. fitted with Soviet crews and the symbolism on planes was Soviet.
      Really need to know the topic, and not idle talk!
    12. novobranets
      novobranets April 15 2016 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      Japan fulfilled its obligations, which allowed even before the outbreak of war with Germany to begin the transfer of the most combat-ready formations, almost all aviation, tanks and howitzer artillery to the Western Front.
      Here I strongly disagree with you. Until the age of 43, Japan fettered about 30% of Soviet troops. I do not want to repeat myself, look at the three comments above yours.
      ... Sorge reported on the likelihood of an attack in the spring of next year, according to Japanese plans, the war in the south did not exclude an attack on the Soviet Union back in 1941. A version of the Kantokuen plan of war against the USSR was developed at the General Staff of the Japanese Ground Forces (“Special maneuvers of Kwantung Army ”), which was to be implemented immediately after the expected fall of Moscow and a sharp change in Japan’s balance of power in the Far East.
    13. your1970
      your1970 April 15 2016 18: 31
      +3
      "In April 41, Stalin concluded informal agreement with Japan on the following conditions: "
      There are NO informal international treaties, or rather they have no legal force. For example: a promise to Gorbachev not to move NATO to the east - "promise does not mean marry" ...
      Moreover, quite formal Hitler torn the pact ..... They already wrote about the sunken ships ... Why didn’t they attack 1941? but just everything - except our troops, our Far East expanses, the strikes received near Hassan / Hakhin-Gol (which showed that even though we didn’t know how to fight at that time, but blew Japan’s blood), and most importantly, Germany already affected in the fall I got a stake near Moscow ...
      The Japanese simply waited for what would come of it (incidentally finely wrecking) - and when they saw what came out, they decided not to experiment but quietly sniff into two holes so as not to get a crowbar
      (What a blow our troops showed - storming fortified areas without dismounting from cars)
  17. ava09
    ava09 April 15 2016 10: 18
    +6
    Paraphrasing Vysotsky - Judas came up with a good religion: - "Let's surrender the Kuriles, and with them geopolitical and military security in the Far East, sign a" peace treaty " technologies Instead of developing our own, this is a flawed train of thought for flawed people.
  18. Begemot
    Begemot April 15 2016 10: 18
    +7
    After WWII, Japan remained in disputed territories with all its neighbors and the United States, including, but it is precisely the Kuril Islands that prevent them from living in peace. As always, American ears stick out in contra against Russia.
  19. Yarik76
    Yarik76 April 15 2016 10: 25
    +9
    We have no such question! Our Kuriles! There is nothing to discuss. These funny people have imposed sanctions on the Japanese and they want to discuss something. Let the Americans talk about Okinawa.
  20. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 April 15 2016 10: 32
    +3
    They will not claim OUR Kuril Islands, and we will not say where to go. laughing
  21. PBF
    PBF April 15 2016 10: 33
    +2
    Well thought up, give the islands and there will be a peace treaty. Do not give, there will be no peace treaty.
  22. brasist
    brasist April 15 2016 10: 33
    +3
    At the end of the discussion, Lavrov should have checked whether the microphone is turned off or not, or maybe not.
  23. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P April 15 2016 10: 37
    +1
    Japanese mother again ?? bought a piece of Everest and dragged it b slowly .. poured shores .. or kaklov asked Cho-thread to dig out --- to do it with jumps
  24. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets April 15 2016 10: 38
    +3
    A hole from a donut to them, not the Kuril Islands.
  25. Rock_n_roll
    Rock_n_roll April 15 2016 10: 38
    -18%
    The site smoothly rolls into a bunch of ignorant urapatriotic screamers. The same censor, both in essence and in content. Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.
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    2. Erg
      Erg April 15 2016 10: 59
      +5
      What is your point of view on this issue? Give up the islands, while apologizing to the Japanese people for crimes against them? By the way, there is so much blood on the hands of this very Japanese people that to conclude a "peace treaty" with them is not self-respecting.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 15 2016 11: 18
        +6
        What is your point of view on this issue?

        His point is clear
        Rock_n_roll
        literate people whose posts were interesting to read have long left the resource

        those whom he believes to be literate left the resource, he obviously decided to stay, acting as a Japanese lawyer in the 2nd MV. That's only in Japan there was a tribunal and its sentences are not subject to review.
    3. reservist
      reservist April 15 2016 11: 52
      -6
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

      unfortunately, I have to agree with this ...
      it seems that VO with Apollo and after is "two big differences" ...
      1. kotvov
        kotvov April 15 2016 12: 06
        +4
        unfortunately, I have to agree with this ... ,,
        you also can’t wait to give something away? So give the apartment to the neighbors, then you’ll fix the relationship.
        1. reservist
          reservist April 15 2016 12: 16
          0
          the comment was about the level of comments ...

          Do you offer to give your apartment to my neighbors? I am sure that they will definitely be happy about this ...;)
          Did I say somewhere that someone needs to give something back?
    4. ava09
      ava09 April 15 2016 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Rock_n_Roll
      The site smoothly rolls into a bunch of ignorant urapatriotic screamers. The same censor, both in essence and in content. Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

      Are you interested in the point of view of "hurray-patriots" or are you also "illiterate"? An ordinary person with incoherent thinking, in my opinion, is present on any resource, because you don't need to pass common sense tests to register. But this is not yet a reason for a position of rejection and attempts to offend. Such statements do not bother me, they only characterize their authors. If you disagree with someone - write to him.
    5. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 April 15 2016 12: 20
      0
      Go dance, take a break from the works of the righteous.)))
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  26. Abbra
    Abbra April 15 2016 10: 52
    0
    This music will be eternal if I start the battery ... In my humble opinion, this problem is insoluble in principle, if the Japanese rest against its similar formulation ...
  27. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 15 2016 10: 52
    +1
    Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable

    A peace treaty can only be concluded with a free, sovereign state, and not with a colony subordinate to anyone, it is the same as a large company will sign a contract with an ordinary employee of another company that does not have authority for this. laughing
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 15 2016 19: 00
      0
      Absolutely free state in its actions ...

      At present, at 94 military bases in Japan, there are approximately 47 thousand American soldiers and officers. According to the Yomiuri newspaper, the US contingent in Japan "is the largest in the Asia-Pacific region, and in the world it is in second place after the NATO forces stationed in Germany." The main headquarters of the US forces in Japan is located in the city of Yokosuka, near Tokyo. In addition, the base of the 7 fleet of the USA is located there. On the islands of Hokkaido and Honshu (the northern part of the Japanese archipelago), the Misawa, Tatikawa and Atsui air bases are deployed. They are based on F-16 aircraft, which can carry nuclear weapons. On South
      countries, on the island of Okinawa, on the basis of the Kaden Air Force Base, military aircraft and refueling aircraft are deployed. From the Yokota base, tactical nuclear aircraft are controlled, located not only in Japan, but also in the Republic of Korea.
      In Japan, there are also communication facilities of the strategic command of the Air Force and Navy, which provide control of attack submarines and missile carriers.

      From October 1953 to December 1956, the Japanese courts were transferred 12 581 case on American servicemen accused of various crimes.Units reached the court - the American command took criminals ON Bail
  28. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 15 2016 10: 58
    +4
    Quote: Rock_n_Roll
    In fact, if you move away from the bravura pseudo-patriotic chants in the style of the Russian Spring and reproduce the situation in the form in which it originally developed, then the conclusion suggests itself - Japan came at least ugly.

    Did you just tell who and where? The site was confused or with a head in the morning, not what you think we should apologize for, pay compensation and give the islands, we are friends with our heads or whatever.
    Quote: Rock_n_Roll
    The site smoothly rolls into a bunch of ignorant urapatriotic screamers. The same censor, both in essence and in content. Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

    And you are chained here or, under threat of weapons, are forced to enter, you do not like it, you are not satisfied with something, as they say: "like a tablecloth," nobody will cry.
  29. pts-m
    pts-m April 15 2016 11: 03
    +2
    rock-n-roll 10:38 In your opinion, it turns out that you and a few grant-eaters keep pace, and the rest do not pace. March on your Censor in any direction. Well, you are illiterate, as the "diplomats left VO".
  30. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 15 2016 11: 17
    -1
    Want the northern islands? To give. Sannikov land. Before the film show how good it is, cut the end of the film. The climate is suitable for them, even there is gold. They will forget about the Kuril Islands, will seek paradise on Earth.
  31. guzik007
    guzik007 April 15 2016 11: 17
    +1
    Since yapy read from top to bottom, you can cook up a contract:: =): =)



    Zai .... to swallow dust
    And if you rock the boat
    We open the boshki
    And the rest of the islands will remain for us
    Fish see our horseradish
    And crabs only in a dream
    Yokohama your mom
    Now for the economic part of the contract:
    You will deliver electronics at dumping prices
    Where to say our cars too, we will come in handy
    Take away American bases from your territory
    Build fish processing plants for free
    And Siberia to master send for free a couple of million of your hard workers
    We provide skiing. And who is not satisfied send over the lake
    Ylgygytkin PrJSC

    Lavrov.
  32. iouris
    iouris April 15 2016 11: 23
    +2
    Japan is an aggressor, an ally of Nazi Germany. By the way, the United States regarded Japan as the most dangerous adversary. The defeat of the Kwantung Army, and not the bombing, deprived Japan of the will to resist.
    In 1945, the USSR complied with a UN decision to force Japan into peace.
    Encephalitis ticks in our forests are Japanese weapons, a reminder of that war.
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  34. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 15 2016 11: 28
    +1
    The Japanese probably talk to each other. without us. About our islands, as in the film "Don't be afraid, I'm with you." This is no longer your tooth, not even mine ... this is his tooth!
  35. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 15 2016 11: 31
    +3
    The problem of concluding a peace treaty with the Russian Federation is inextricably linked with the problem of “northern territories”

    Well, the Japanese do not want a peace treaty, then these are your problems. We all know, using the example of world history, that this is just a piece of paper which, if something means something, is only for a deliberately weak militarily country.
    A peace treaty with a country under full US occupation is completely meaningless.
    The Japanese, however, should have realized that Russia had already closed the attraction of unprecedented generosity and stupidity with the distribution of its land by the beginning of the 2000s.
  36. Sevurallag
    Sevurallag April 15 2016 11: 32
    +4
    Now it’s not scary for Our islands, but it will take years ..... twenty, some kind of bitch will come to power and decide to return them to the Japanese. Now it is not too late to consolidate their territoriality, the ban on transmission even through a popular referendum so that there is no temptation, a special article of the Constitution.
  37. From Samara
    From Samara April 15 2016 11: 33
    0
    Japan built helicopter carriers, forms the Marine Corps, which was not ... Russia needs to think, and transfer the prepared units to the Kuril Islands ...
  38. iliya87
    iliya87 April 15 2016 11: 46
    +1
    The Japanese persecuted by the United States have become completely swollen. Yes, there are several purely Japanese islands, our names did not even change after the capture during the Second World War. In the 90s and early 2000s, this topic was raised and there is even mention of backstage meetings between our diplomats and the Japanese on the disputed islands. Ours offered, in my opinion, a fair deal, we give 2 Japanese islands to them and sign a peace treaty, to which the Japanese pissed off, they say we need 4 islands with two original ones. To which our diplomats said "cucumber" to you. That's all actually. And now they decided not to give up one at all, tk. there is a rule not to rewrite the territory after the Second World War, and after the Second World War, all 4 islands were ours, period. By the way, about the claim for 4 islands, the Japanese went with the incitement of the United States, the Americans categorically did not want the signing of a peace treaty. So from the beginning, let the Japanese take out of their w ... the American instrument, and then open their mouths to negotiate, otherwise there is no point in it. Or they agree to our terms and smear with vazilin the very thing, in anticipation of the US reaction.
    1. reservist
      reservist April 15 2016 12: 04
      0
      Quote: iliya87
      Ours offered a fair deal in my opinion, we give 2 Japanese islands to them and sign a peace treaty,

      there seems to have been talk about closing the base in Okinawa, i.e. Japan should really become a neutral state ...
  39. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 15 2016 11: 50
    +3
    Quote: Rock_n_Roll
    The site smoothly rolls into a collection of ignorant urapatriotic screamers


    the main thing is not in a bunch of people who will make statements in the style of "oh, how ugly we acted that we won the war against those who came to rob and destroy us and our allies."
    And then at first they come to us for tens and even hundreds of years to rob and kill us, then this is great for them, and when we fight back and defeat them in the war, then a heart-rending howl is heard "return our territories that we lost as a result of the war. our under the document after the defeat on the absence of claims against each other is not valid as then we acted under the burden of circumstances. "
  40. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec April 15 2016 11: 51
    +4
    And what is the use of this peace treaty if Japan lies under America and fulfills any order.
  41. mamont5
    mamont5 April 15 2016 11: 52
    +3
    No, well, their business, of course. No, no, no. Although, I think that their opinion will change as soon as the "master's office" (USA) collapses.
  42. shinobi
    shinobi April 15 2016 11: 54
    +2
    So they need this agreement. Anyone who is far from politics and world law, the lawyer will say, a precedent will be created. And then everyone will rush to Russia with pretensions. The yapps are not stupid and understand this very well.
    PS: Samurai have become forgotten. Perhaps it is worth taking the side of China and refreshing their memory.
  43. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 15 2016 12: 17
    +1
    I don’t understand how it’s possible to agree on anything with the occupied country at all, they have a master, and we need to communicate with him. It's just that our diplomats are intelligent people and do not directly remind the Japanese about this.
  44. russmensch
    russmensch April 15 2016 12: 20
    +2
    “The problem of a peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories”
    Indeed, the East is a delicate matter. All this crap from the series "The wind blows because the trees sway" ... "The United States is our friend because they dropped the atomic bombs" ... It's hard for me to understand. The samurai code does not allow just to sign a peace treaty and live in harmony?
  45. Jackking
    Jackking April 15 2016 12: 22
    +2
    Send three letters ... !!!
  46. Old Schweik
    Old Schweik April 15 2016 12: 22
    0
    They are strange people ... language - understand what the hell, women’s cowards sniff ... they’re youngsters and not youngsters at all.
    What for to live so? No, I can send my cowards to them, how a Russian is ready to share the latter, but give the islands ... ???? How can I? !!!
  47. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 15 2016 13: 03
    +1
    Tokyo as opposed to Moscow
    What kind of counterbalance? Tokyo's opinion weight is 0 (zero).
  48. Valkh
    Valkh April 15 2016 13: 42
    +1
    Then, - I'm sorry: the fee huyebukuzeye-eyed !!!!!!!!!!! laughing
  49. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 15 2016 14: 13
    0
    Quote: Old Schweik
    They are strange people ... language - understand what the hell

    Why language - understand horseradish? Very long. The Kuril Islands did not learn to write the word, this leads to misunderstanding.
    Kuril Islands - 千島 列島
    Kuril Islands - 千島 列島
    So understand what they want, maybe a smoke? - ス モ ー ク
  50. vobels
    vobels April 15 2016 14: 30
    +1
    "..The Joint Declaration of 1956, - ​​says that the parties renounced any claims against each other .." Apparently the consequences of Fukushima exacerbated the desirable abilities of Yap. And it would be better if they mastered tens of thousands of square kilometers of their empty rocky islands, and did not open their mouths to foreign lands.