Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable

The problem of concluding a peace treaty with the Russian Federation is inextricably linked with the problem of the “northern territories” (islands of the Kuril ridge), RIA News statement by the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry Fumio Kisida.

"The problem of the peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories",

- said Kishida at the press conference.

He noted that on Friday with Sergei Lavrov, "a discussion on Japanese-Russian relations will take place, including the issue of a peace treaty."

Today, the two-day visit of the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry to Japan begins, during which “prospects for a peace treaty, a territorial issue, as well as the need to enhance trade and economic cooperation between the two countries” will be discussed.

On Tuesday, Kisida said that "the problem of the peace treaty is nothing else but the problem of the northern territories."

On the same day, Lavrov stressed at a press conference that “The peace treaty theme cannot be reduced to some territorial issues, especially territorial claims, if only because the only document that was signed and ratified by both parties is the Joint 1956 Declaration of the Year,” states that the parties rejected any claims to each other, and the immediate task is to sign a peace treaty. " The Minister also noted that “There is no mention of a territorial issue being negotiated in a peace treaty.”

Comments

[Vend]

Count on. The answer will be the same People do not understand the words, They were told that the biggest thing they can count on is a free economic zone. Not more. Yes, it’s hard to be wooden to the waist, the rest is chipboard.

[volot-voin]

Quote: Wend

People do not understand the words, They were told that the biggest thing they can count on is a free economic zone. Not more.

Japan should not be allowed on the Kuril Islands in any way. No zones for them there. The peace treaty is Japan’s problem, sabaka barks the wind wears. We lived without a peace treaty from the end of the Second World War, and we will continue to live.

[Thrall]

The head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry, Fumio Kishida, would like to advise you not to wear your main order for a meeting with Lavrov

[jjj]

I have never noticed kleptomal inclinations behind our Foreign Ministry. But the Japanese have pathological victimization

[Foofighter]

In short, since the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry has already stated this, let Japan leave the UN, which is accepted on the basis of the adoption of the 2MB results and cease the ceasefire, at the same time transferring the lead to its American allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Alaska is not far from us ...
If there is no peace treaty, and it means that the state of war is still between us, then what is their embassy in Moscow doing? Why is the full complement not interned? We can also send the American (those that are not spies) through some neutral country ... For example, through Iran

[Alex777]

The Japanese would have agreed to everything for a long time. But there is a but.
These are our US partners. Either they claim the islands, or the Americans select Okinawa. And that’s all. Japan without Okinawa - you understand ... So they sing their gloomy song about the Northern Territory. And the USA rested on these islands precisely because of why we took them after the war - between them is the only deepwater passage into the ocean for our nuclear submarines. Therefore, the Japanese do not agree to the 2 islands - the American problem is not solved this way. All. Dead end.

[Constructor1]

"The problem of the peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories",

And we have no problems with the northern territories)) AND WHAT WILL WE DO?

[Proxima]

Quote: volot-voin

Japan should not be allowed on the Kuril Islands in any way.

I agree. To bind the "problem of the northern territories" and a peace treaty, and even blackmail with this, is a wiring for stupid people. The Far Eastern borders of Russia are recognized by the UN and no one has any questions about this (except for the Japanese, of course). Let the "samurai" say THANKS TO STALIN that he did not chop off Hokkaido from them, although the allies recommended that he do it. And this island is not some Kuril Islands. This territory is roughly equivalent in size to Bulgaria.

[oblako]

The US bases are home, and let's go to the free economic zone of Russia ... It wasn’t a damn thing to fight with us. This is for you to remember.

[Persistent]

Japan should not be allowed on the Kuril Islands in any way. No zones there

I completely agree !! They in their territorial waters have already caught and devoured the entire plankton. Now they have opened their hungry mouth on our body of water. BUT !!! The most important thing is that through them the mattresses try to put their NP on these islands to track the output of our submarine missile carriers !!!

[Sid.74]

Your ears are from a dead donkey, not the Kuriles! ..

Shoigu gave instructions that Bastions, Balls, air defense will be placed on the islands ... we consider the issue of the Kuril Islands closed.

[Tersky]

Quote: Sid.74

Shoigu gave instructions that Bastions, Balls, air defense will be placed on the islands ... we consider the issue of the Kuril Islands closed.

My five kopecks, all in all, on the Kuril Islands they will build 466 objects of military infrastructure, and the total area of ​​facilities under construction exceeds 390 thousand square meters. m. Zhenya, !

[GYGOLA]

Well, so-and-so ... They didn’t pull a thread, they themselves were ripe, unlikely.

On Tuesday, Kishida said that “the problem of the peace treaty is nothing but the problem of the northern territories”

there are no problems in the peace treaty — it either exists or it does not exist (peace treaty) Otherwise, it is blackmail. You are the territory for us — we will conclude a peace treaty. How will the Foreign Ministry and blackmailers behave? I think the answer is obvious. Go to the back .. - The most appropriate expression of the problem.

[Stalker.1977]

Japan reminds me of an expression such: mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus.

[Gorynovich]

Quote: Wend

People don’t understand words.

It is high time to say unequivocally that the issue is closed: we do not know at all what these "northern territories" are. Maybe, due to some unfortunate misunderstanding, they call the eastern territories of Russia that way?
Geography must be taught. And then we will help)

[vodolaz]

Now the Japanese have friends of interest who are going to return Crimea)))

[cap]

Quote: Wend

Yes, it’s hard to be wooden to the waist, the rest is chipboard.

Japan lives by the principle of the mafia (a matter of principle). For simple Japanese, these territories are like a Turkish drum to the Russians.
They will fight for every meter.
If we give, we will remain without a passage from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk of our submarines.
Conclusion - you can’t give it away, you can dig to sow cultivate aquaculture (a purely political decision). And no more.

[gergi]

Japan needs the peace treaty more than Russia. Previously, they were self-insulated, now their occupants isolate. Those sitting on islets in a seismic hazard zone grind their teeth at their great neighbor, who, the only one of all, could give a helping hand in case of a cataclysm. The loss of independence is a disaster for any nation.

[Baloo]

The Japanese are numb, they want a nose? Let the FSA shake, demand compensation for Hiroshima from Nagasaki and Fokushima, yo ...

[Andrey K]

"Tokyo, in contrast to Moscow's opinion, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the 'northern territories' are inseparable" ...
Well these are Tokyo's problems

[avvg]

Unlike us, the Japanese apparently read, from right to left.

[Koshak]

Quote: avvg

Unlike us, the Japanese apparently read, from right to left.

They read and write from top to bottom.

[jjj]

Quote: avvg

The Japanese apparently read, from right to left.

No, top to bottom

[reservist]

still more sophisticated

from wikipedia

Traditionally, the Japanese used the Chinese vertical way of writing, 縦 書 き (た て が き, tategaki, literally "vertical writing") - characters go from top to bottom and columns from right to left. This method continues to be widely used in fiction and in newspapers. In the scientific and technical literature and in computers, the European way of writing is most often used, 横 書 き (よ こ が き, yokogaki as “lateral letter”) - the characters go from left to right, and the lines go from top to bottom.

[Spartanez300]

The agreement was signed, the territory was transferred to the USSR, the heiress of which Russia is, what else is needed. There was nothing to open the mittens throughout the Asia-Pacific region.

[Rader]

We signed the agreement and safely forgot that we also need to sign a peace agreement. They say correctly: there is nothing more permanent than temporary Yes, the issue of territories was resolved in this treaty (although this issue was resolved by itself completely with the advent of the atomic bomb in the USSR ), but then it was necessary to strain the diplomats and sign peace treaties! What would it do now? Well, the day of the "northern territories" would not disappear anywhere, but we would not hear any mention of "good-neighborliness problems associated with the occupation of a part of the territories ..." and other nonsense from high-ranking officials. We have lived for so many years "in a state of war" and nothing, we will live the same amount of time.

There was nothing to open the mittens throughout the Asia-Pacific region.

And here it is interesting, tk. the mitten, it seems, began to "undress" again. No, of course, they won't trample on the Kuriles, it's so simple, from the bay of the flounder ... Although, the devil knows these samurai with pakimon sauce ...

[Spartanez300]

A compromise decision was also announced - the islands of Habomai and Shikotan would be returned to Japan in exchange for unconditional recognition of the sovereignty of the USSR over all other disputed territories. But this could happen only after the conclusion of a peace treaty.

[Koshak]

We have lived without a contract for 70 years, and we will still live. Zadolbali these samurai: "Kuril volost, Kuril volost"

Kemska parish

[magician]

Japan acted through its actions the northern territories. In the country of the setting sun and a broken sword, Russophobia and militarism flourish, the presence of American bases, etc. History has not taught anything, but the people themselves are not bad. Sad but true. And to be bases in the Kuril Islands, we are defending our territory, we have every right in connection with the current situation in the world.

[Erg]

I can’t understand why this topic is being discussed over and over again? At one time, an agreement was signed. Dot.

[Amurets]

Quote: Erg

I can’t understand why this topic is being discussed over and over again? At one time, an agreement was signed. Dot.

The leadership of the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan promised in the pre-election campaign that it would sign a peace treaty with the Russian Federation on the terms dictated by Japan. And yesterday I wrote in the comments on this visit that the requirements for Japan to return Russian gold and pay all compensation for the damage caused to the Russian Federation in the years 1918-1922 during the intervention and compensation for damage for 1923-1945 will immediately remove this issue. The Japanese consider this issue unacceptable and immediately withdraw their demands, but the obligations of the Japanese are there and they are kept in Moscow. Who cares see Sirotkin "Foreign gold of Russia" , Latyshev, "How Japan stole Russian gold." Shirokorad, "The cruisers that Khrushchev destroyed." There are also links to archival documents of the NKVD and OGPU about how the Japanese were doing their best in our Far Eastern seas. And the fact that the Japanese are insistently demanding a peace treaty and the Kuril islands, this will immediately untie the hands of the Japanese to all kinds of provocations. Now we are in a state of temporary truce and about one hundred we can give the Japanese in the teeth and they will swallow it and become silky. We must demand the version of the agreement that the Japanese themselves proposed to Stalin in August 1945, when, in addition to the Kuriles, the Japanese wanted to give Hokkaido to compensate for the losses incurred by the USSR in the period 1918-1945.

[cap]

Quote: Amurets

Quote: Erg

I can’t understand why this topic is being discussed over and over again? At one time, an agreement was signed. Dot.

The leadership of the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan promised in the pre-election campaign that it would sign a peace treaty with the Russian Federation on the terms dictated by Japan. And yesterday I wrote in the comments on this visit that the requirements for Japan to return Russian gold and pay all compensation for the damage caused to the Russian Federation in the years 1918-1922 during the intervention and compensation for damage for 1923-1945 will immediately remove this issue. The Japanese consider this issue unacceptable and immediately withdraw their demands, but the obligations of the Japanese are there and they are kept in Moscow. Who cares see Sirotkin "Foreign gold of Russia" , Latyshev, "How Japan stole Russian gold." Shirokorad, "The cruisers that Khrushchev destroyed." There are also links to archival documents of the NKVD and OGPU about how the Japanese were doing their best in our Far Eastern seas. And the fact that the Japanese are insistently demanding a peace treaty and the Kuril islands, this will immediately untie the hands of the Japanese to all kinds of provocations. Now we are in a state of temporary truce and about one hundred we can give the Japanese in the teeth and they will swallow it and become silky. We must demand the version of the agreement that the Japanese themselves proposed to Stalin in August 1945, when, in addition to the Kuriles, the Japanese wanted to give Hokkaido to compensate for the losses incurred by the USSR in the period 1918-1945.

All you write needs political will.

[Amurets]

Quote: cap

All you write needs political will.

Exactly! And the drunk EBN promised, and the sober Japanese believed, but the Habomai archipelago and joint economic activities on these islands did not suit the Japanese.
http://edo-tokyo.livejournal.com/3780052.html

[reservist]

in 56 they signed not a treaty, but a declaration on ending the war

[Arkan]

The Minister, in addition, noted that "there is no mention that the territorial issue will be considered in the negotiations on a peace treaty."

The Japanese are deaf and blind. The deployment of a group of forces in the Kuril Islands does not tell them anything.

[AlexTires]

Japan is not a sovereign state, so we can only talk about the inter-regional relations of one region with another region. for example, the state of Japan with Komi, or with the CBD, or the Yakhroma region of the Moscow region, for the development of trade relations ... for me, it’s time the Japanese should become part of Russia and that’s the end!

[HAM]

EVERYTHING SUCH Amerikosy little taped a nuclear club on the head of the Japanese, not all the nonsense burned out.

[cap]

Quote: HAM

EVERYTHING SUCH Amerikosy little taped a nuclear club on the head of the Japanese, not all the nonsense burned out.

Baska became American. That's all.

[X Y Z]

Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable

You can consider yourself and Napoleon and the Pope. And what will it give?

[bocsman]

I would advise them (the Japanese) to read Bismarck's quotes, they are unlikely to be taught this in the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And the "comrade" knew what he was talking about, no matter how he walked with Prince Gorchakov. If only walking this, - Russians always come for theirs. We all remember 1905 and 1945. Maybe after such a "short" course, appetites would have been tempered.

[Rock_n_roll]

Unlike you, Bismrak knew what he was saying). And what does the Japanese have to remember about the 45th? They did not start a war with the USSR.

[Sarmat149]

Yes, they did not start after they received it in the face at Khalkhin Gol. But our merchant ships were drowned and our people perished. Yes, and there were enough provocations. However, you are doing stuffing.

[Rock_n_roll]

Ignoramus, but where is Khalkhin Goal located in the USSR? What kind of merchant ships did the Japanese drown and when? Moreover, the agreement on neutrality was concluded in the aperture of the 41st, after Khalkhin Gol.
Throw, just you, fasting outright nonsense. Before shouting slogans, it would be nice to familiarize yourself with the materiel.

[guzik007]

Ignoramus, and where Khalkhin Goal is located in the USSR
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Well, certainly not in Japan. And if you, wise guy, remember, we had mutual agreements with Mongolia in the military unit. And mops in Mongolia did not pick berries. Do not try to misinterpret the story here, take care of self-education

[tanit]

In the period 1941-1945 (April) DGMP [Far Eastern State Shipping Company] lost 2 ships - Perekop and Maykop and [from the actions of Japanese] artillery - Krechet from the actions of Japanese aviation. \
On the issue of clothing and equipment.
A pact with Japan was denounced in April 1945. And, by the way, for the runners of materiel, in 1941 it was not signed by I.V. Stalin.

[reservist]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

What kind of merchant ships did the Japanese drown and when?

Central Naval Archive (hereinafter - CVMA), f. 2, op. 1, d.1023, p. 78-84; History of Foreign Policy of the USSR, vol. 1, p. 495.

From December 1, 1941 to April 10, 1945, Japanese warships stopped about 200 times (sometimes using weapons) and inspected Soviet merchant and fishing vessels. Some of them were detained for a long time, and 18 vessels were sunk. The total losses of Soviet shipping during this time amounted to about 637 million rubles.

[Homo]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

Before shouting slogans, it would be nice to familiarize yourself with the materiel.

Here you are right, only apply this to yourself too. Why did the USSR conclude an agreement on neutrality? Then denounced the agreement? Yes, and the USSR fought in China (liberated from occupation).

[reservist]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

where is Khalkhin Goal, in the USSR?

on the border of Mongolia and Manchuria, i.e. respectively the allies of the USSR and Japan
but if we talk about Khalkhin-Gol of 1939, then we need to remember about Hassan of 1938 ...

[reservist]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

the agreement on neutrality was concluded in the aperture of the 41st, after Khalkhin Gol.

from the second article of the 1941 Neutrality Agreement with Japan:

“In the event that one of the Contracting Parties is object of hostilities on the part of one or several third powers, the other Contracting Party shall maintain neutrality in the continuation of the entire conflict. ”

And who attacked whom - the USA, England and China against Japan or vice versa?
those. who according to the text of the Agreement was subject, who the object ?

[reservist]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

They did not start a war with the USSR.

but in 1904 they attacked the Russian squadron in Port Arthur without an official declaration of war

[Homo]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

Unlike you, Bismrak knew what he was saying). And what does the Japanese have to remember about the 45th? They did not start a war with the USSR.

They only entered the Hitler coalition, fought with the USA and England (our allies) and occupied China.

[reservist]

so not only China ...

[Captain nemo]

Quote: Homo

Just entered the Hitler coalition

Not always, there was a time in the 30s under Hitler, when Germany also fought with Japan in China.

[Spartanez300]

If you read the history of the Second World War, and in particular the war of the USSR with militaristic Japan, you will understand that they danced to the tune of the Nazis and therefore got what they deserved.

[novobranets]

Quote: Spartanez300

therefore, they danced to the tune of the Nazis and got what they deserved.

... until the middle of 1943, hanging over the Soviet Far East and Eastern Siberia with its millionth Kwantung Army, Japan fettered the Red Army troops stationed here, not allowing them to be used in the struggle against the Nazi invaders.

As a result, up to a third of the Armed Forces of the USSR could not take part in the fight against the Hitler hordes. This is confirmed by official data:

“As of December 1, 1941, out of 5495 thousand people of the total composition of the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union, 1568 thousand, or over 28%, were in the Far East and at the southern borders. Of the 4495 tanks that were in service with the Red Army at that time, 2541 tanks were in the Far East and at the southern borders of the USSR, of which 5274 aircraft remained in the same place.

[volodya]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

Unlike you, Bismrak knew what he was saying). And what does the Japanese have to remember about the 45th? They did not start a war with the USSR.

Yes, they didn’t start the war, but they think that the Russians dropped atomic bombs on them. That's how their Americans brought up.

[novobranets]

Quote: volodya

Yes, they didn’t start a war

The plan of attack on the USSR was ready, the Japanese were just waiting for the right moment.

[Sarmat149]

And we do not need a peace treaty with the Japanese. They always attacked stealthily, suddenly and without declaring war. This is the most samurai valor)). Here are the restless.

[rotmistr60]

"The problem of the peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories",

Since 1945, since the defeat of Japan in the 2nd Military District, we have been living with them without a peace treaty and do not cough. Now they are constantly trying to set us conditions for the so-called. "northern territories", which went to the USSR following the results of the 2nd WW. Let's start, too, as the Balts, Poles and even Germans (I keep quiet about the United States) to review the results of the victory over fascism? So is there a need for such a peace treaty, which implies the surrender of our territories? Maybe a referendum on this issue?

[Erg]

Or maybe it would be better to close the topic. Referendum. Hm. How much honor ...

[Rock_n_roll]

In fact, if you move away from the bravura pseudo-patriotic chants in the style of the Russian Spring and reproduce the situation in the form in which it originally developed, then the conclusion suggests itself - Japan came at least ugly.
In April of the 41st, Stalin concluded an informal agreement with Japan on the following conditions:
1. The USSR ceases military assistance to the Chinese partisans, both in arms and in advisers. It undertakes not to place on its territory airfields for American aircraft in the event of a US conflict with Japan.
2. Japan undertakes not to start hostilities against the USSR in the near foreseeable future.
Japan fulfilled its obligations, which allowed even before the outbreak of war with Germany to begin the transfer of the most combat-ready formations, almost all aviation, tanks and howitzer artillery to the Western Front.
The Soviet Union, having ceased military support to China, nevertheless equipped, though under the strictest confidence, airfields for hauling American planes in Siberia. Although they were not planned to be used against Japan, the letter of the agreement was formally violated and the Japanese had good reason to terminate this agreement. In addition, the dire situation on the fronts of 41-42 years contributed to this. However, this did not happen.
Well, about the further declaration of war and the defeat of the Kwantung army, everything is clear, allied duty, etc. But Japan still fought with the United States, and not with the USSR, this must be taken into account.
It is clear that these islands are currently of value to Russia both in terms of straits for the TF and in terms of fishing. However, to clarify the situation and dot the e at the official level is still necessary.

[Sarmat149]

Not convincing. Do you want to feel sorry for Japan or throw rotten thoughts into our heads? It’s good to work out grants))).

[rotmistr60]

For Rock_n_roll

Japan fulfilled its obligations

This was especially striking. These are the obligations that Japan fulfilled. Do not openly attack the USSR? Do you know how many Soviet soldiers were killed in the Far East during the period of "fulfillment" of these obligations? And, what did the army have to keep in the Far East, when there was tension near Moscow? And there are many more examples. And I would like to remind you that the tribunal over Japanese war criminals was held in the Far East (including in Khabarovsk).

[guzik007]

In April of the 41st, Stalin concluded an informal agreement with Japan on the following conditions:
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Stalin, if you remember, and Germany signed a treaty of mutual non-aggression.
You seem to be to blame for everything.
Do not read the yellow press, I strongly advise you: =)

[tupolev-95]

Attack on the USSR of Japan was prevented by the conduct of active hostilities in the Pacific theater, but if the Germans could achieve great success at the initial stage of the war, the Japanese would not be shy.

[reservist]

+1

The Japanese ambassador to Berlin, H. Oshima, told March 1943, XNUMX to Ribbentrop: the Japanese government is of the opinion that "you should not join the war against Russia now"

[reservist]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

In April of the 41st, Stalin concluded an informal agreement with Japan.
[...]
Japan fulfilled its obligations

From the Sentence of the Tokyo Military Tribunal on Japan's Non-Compliance with the Neutrality Pact with the USSR of November 4-12, 1948

It was definitely established that Japan concluded the neutrality pact insincerely and as an event that would help it realize its aggressive intentions against the USSR.

In 1942, the Japanese General Staff of the Army and the Headquarters of the Kwantung Army developed new offensive military plans against the Soviet Union, which remained in force for 1943.

According to these plans, the war against the Soviet Union was to begin unexpectedly after the concentration in Manchuria of about 30 divisions.

The Tribunal believes that until 1943, Japan not only planned to wage an aggressive war against the Soviet Union, but also continued to actively prepare for such a war.

I’ll add that the tribunal was held not only with the participation of the USSR ...

[Homo]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

1. The USSR ceases military assistance to the Chinese partisans, both in arms and in advisers.

The USSR could not fight on two fronts, this is a forced agreement.

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

It undertakes not to place on its territory airfields for American aircraft in the event of a US conflict with Japan.

So our airfields were not used by the Americans against Japan.

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

2. Japan undertakes not to start hostilities against the USSR in the near foreseeable future.

What is the legal term "foreseeable future". This future may come tomorrow.

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

But Japan still fought with the United States, and not with the USSR, this must be taken into account.

And also we must take into account the fact that the United States opened a second front helping us, and in response we declared war on Japan.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

The USSR, having ceased its military support for China, nevertheless equipped, though under the strictest secrecy, airfields for hauling American planes in Siberia. Although they were not planned to be used against Japan, the letter of the agreement was formally violated and the Japanese had good reason to terminate this agreement.

Theoretically, they probably couldn't shoot down Land-Lease planes. And they had a route through Alaska to Kamchatka, at a sufficient distance from the then Japanese Kuril ridge. What worried them was the landing of American bombers that they had destroyed in our Far East. Occasionally, if they were unable to reach China, they landed with us. The pilots immediately went to the concentration camp with enhanced nutrition (we had one specially for them), the planes did not return to America, but stayed with us. Later they were copied by order of Stalin, including the Leica camera, which was in one of the bombers because no one dared to ask Stalin again whether it should be copied too. This camera was produced under the Zorkiy brand.

[your1970]

where are you this hangover nonsense tore off about AMERICAN "LEIKU"??

Leika Camera (German: Leica Camera AG) is a German company specializing in the production of optical systems and precision mechanical instruments, founded in 1849.
He is engaged in the development of cameras from the 1913 year and mass-produces cameras from the 1925 year.
“Leica” is the abbreviation for “Leitzsche Camera” (Leutz Kamera, named after entrepreneur Ernst Leitz). Before it was called “Ernst Leitz GmbH” (Ernst Leitz LLC). Until 1945, it was the largest manufacturer of microscopes in the world.

Photographers continued to call the issued Soviet copy of “FED” “Watering Can,” and this name eventually became a household name for any compact camera.
"FED" was produced from 1934 to the mid-50s, when it was replaced by "FED-2." "FED" was a copy of the German Leica II camera. Produced by the Kharkov Labor Commune named "Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky" (hence the name by name), created from former street children by the famous teacher Anton Makarenko (the history of the creation of the FED is described in his books published before the Second World War).

"Vigilant" (not "Vigilant-1", as it is often called), made based on the camera "FED" in 1948 year (14 years after FED !!!!)

We had problems with precision mechanics and optics in the country until the 50-60 years - where to go from this, we got such a legacy from the king ....

About the concentration camp with enhanced nutrition, nice, but tasteful ... I didn’t even look for it, it’s just lush hangover ...

[Captain nemo]

Quote: your1970

Where are you this hangover nonsense ripped off about the AMERICAN "LEIKA" ????

From the Russian media. Thanks for the clarifications, not special in these matters.

About the concentration camp with enhanced nutrition, nice, but tasteful ... I didn’t even look for it, it’s just lush hangover ...

Yes, please, it's good that I haven't written in my post about the fact that the guards of this concentration camp (it was in Central Asia) organized the American pilots to escape either to Iran, or to Afghanistan, and none of the "escaped" was shot while trying to "escape".

[gunya]

Rock_n_Roll (2) EN

However, to clarify the situation and dot the e at the official level is still necessary.

do not place airfields on its territory for american airplanes in the event of a US conflict with Japan.

If you carefully read the contract, it turns out that "American combat aircraft"And not American-made aircraft.

Aerodromes built for Lend-Lease aircraft distillation do not fall under the terms of the contract. fitted with Soviet crews and the symbolism on planes was Soviet.
Really need to know the topic, and not idle talk!

[novobranets]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

Japan fulfilled its obligations, which allowed even before the outbreak of war with Germany to begin the transfer of the most combat-ready formations, almost all aviation, tanks and howitzer artillery to the Western Front.

Here I strongly disagree with you. Until the age of 43, Japan fettered about 30% of Soviet troops. I do not want to repeat myself, look at the three comments above yours.

... Sorge reported on the likelihood of an attack in the spring of next year, according to Japanese plans, the war in the south did not exclude an attack on the Soviet Union back in 1941. A version of the Kantokuen plan of war against the USSR was developed at the General Staff of the Japanese Ground Forces (“Special maneuvers of Kwantung Army ”), which was to be implemented immediately after the expected fall of Moscow and a sharp change in Japan’s balance of power in the Far East.

[your1970]

"In April 41, Stalin concluded informal agreement with Japan on the following conditions: "
There are NO informal international treaties, or rather they have no legal force. For example: a promise to Gorbachev not to move NATO to the east - "promise does not mean marry" ...
Moreover, quite formal Hitler torn the pact ..... They already wrote about the sunken ships ... Why didn’t they attack 1941? but just everything - except our troops, our Far East expanses, the strikes received near Hassan / Hakhin-Gol (which showed that even though we didn’t know how to fight at that time, but blew Japan’s blood), and most importantly, Germany already affected in the fall I got a stake near Moscow ...
The Japanese simply waited for what would come of it (incidentally finely wrecking) - and when they saw what came out, they decided not to experiment but quietly sniff into two holes so as not to get a crowbar
(What a blow our troops showed - storming fortified areas without dismounting from cars)

[ava09]

Paraphrasing Vysotsky - Judas came up with a good religion: - "Let's surrender the Kuriles, and with them geopolitical and military security in the Far East, sign a" peace treaty " technologies Instead of developing our own, this is a flawed train of thought for flawed people.

[Begemot]

After WWII, Japan remained in disputed territories with all its neighbors and the United States, including, but it is precisely the Kuril Islands that prevent them from living in peace. As always, American ears stick out in contra against Russia.

[Yarik76]

We have no such question! Our Kuriles! There is nothing to discuss. These funny people have imposed sanctions on the Japanese and they want to discuss something. Let the Americans talk about Okinawa.

[zoknyay82]

They will not claim OUR Kuril Islands, and we will not say where to go.

[PBF]

Well thought up, give the islands and there will be a peace treaty. Do not give, there will be no peace treaty.

[brasist]

At the end of the discussion, Lavrov should have checked whether the microphone is turned off or not, or maybe not.

[Yak-3P]

Japanese mother again ?? bought a piece of Everest and dragged it b slowly .. poured shores .. or kaklov asked Cho-thread to dig out --- to do it with jumps

[Arktidianets]

A hole from a donut to them, not the Kuril Islands.

[Rock_n_roll]

The site smoothly rolls into a bunch of ignorant urapatriotic screamers. The same censor, both in essence and in content. Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

[Erg]

What is your point of view on this issue? Give up the islands, while apologizing to the Japanese people for crimes against them? By the way, there is so much blood on the hands of this very Japanese people that to conclude a "peace treaty" with them is not self-respecting.

[rotmistr60]

What is your point of view on this issue?

His point is clear

Rock_n_roll
literate people whose posts were interesting to read have long left the resource

those whom he believes to be literate left the resource, he obviously decided to stay, acting as a Japanese lawyer in the 2nd MV. That's only in Japan there was a tribunal and its sentences are not subject to review.

[reservist]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

unfortunately, I have to agree with this ...
it seems that VO with Apollo and after is "two big differences" ...

[kotvov]

unfortunately, I have to agree with this ... ,,
you also can’t wait to give something away? So give the apartment to the neighbors, then you’ll fix the relationship.

[reservist]

the comment was about the level of comments ...

Do you offer to give your apartment to my neighbors? I am sure that they will definitely be happy about this ...;)
Did I say somewhere that someone needs to give something back?

[ava09]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

The site smoothly rolls into a bunch of ignorant urapatriotic screamers. The same censor, both in essence and in content. Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

Are you interested in the point of view of "hurray-patriots" or are you also "illiterate"? An ordinary person with incoherent thinking, in my opinion, is present on any resource, because you don't need to pass common sense tests to register. But this is not yet a reason for a position of rejection and attempts to offend. Such statements do not bother me, they only characterize their authors. If you disagree with someone - write to him.

[Sarmat149]

Go dance, take a break from the works of the righteous.)))

[Abbra]

This music will be eternal if I start the battery ... In my humble opinion, this problem is insoluble in principle, if the Japanese rest against its similar formulation ...

[Victor-M]

Tokyo, in contrast to the opinion of Moscow, believes that the peace treaty and the problem of the “northern territories” are inseparable

A peace treaty can only be concluded with a free, sovereign state, and not with a colony subordinate to anyone, it is the same as a large company will sign a contract with an ordinary employee of another company that does not have authority for this.

[your1970]

Absolutely free state in its actions ...

At present, at 94 military bases in Japan, there are approximately 47 thousand American soldiers and officers. According to the Yomiuri newspaper, the US contingent in Japan "is the largest in the Asia-Pacific region, and in the world it is in second place after the NATO forces stationed in Germany." The main headquarters of the US forces in Japan is located in the city of Yokosuka, near Tokyo. In addition, the base of the 7 fleet of the USA is located there. On the islands of Hokkaido and Honshu (the northern part of the Japanese archipelago), the Misawa, Tatikawa and Atsui air bases are deployed. They are based on F-16 aircraft, which can carry nuclear weapons. On South
countries, on the island of Okinawa, on the basis of the Kaden Air Force Base, military aircraft and refueling aircraft are deployed. From the Yokota base, tactical nuclear aircraft are controlled, located not only in Japan, but also in the Republic of Korea.
In Japan, there are also communication facilities of the strategic command of the Air Force and Navy, which provide control of attack submarines and missile carriers.

From October 1953 to December 1956, the Japanese courts were transferred 12 581 case on American servicemen accused of various crimes.Units reached the court - the American command took criminals ON Bail

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

In fact, if you move away from the bravura pseudo-patriotic chants in the style of the Russian Spring and reproduce the situation in the form in which it originally developed, then the conclusion suggests itself - Japan came at least ugly.

Did you just tell who and where? The site was confused or with a head in the morning, not what you think we should apologize for, pay compensation and give the islands, we are friends with our heads or whatever.

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

The site smoothly rolls into a bunch of ignorant urapatriotic screamers. The same censor, both in essence and in content. Really literate people, whose posts were interesting to read, have long left the resource. It’s sad.

And you are chained here or, under threat of weapons, are forced to enter, you do not like it, you are not satisfied with something, as they say: "like a tablecloth," nobody will cry.

[pts-m]

rock-n-roll 10:38 In your opinion, it turns out that you and a few grant-eaters keep pace, and the rest do not pace. March on your Censor in any direction. Well, you are illiterate, as the "diplomats left VO".

[EvgNik]

Want the northern islands? To give. Sannikov land. Before the film show how good it is, cut the end of the film. The climate is suitable for them, even there is gold. They will forget about the Kuril Islands, will seek paradise on Earth.

[guzik007]

Since yapy read from top to bottom, you can cook up a contract:: =): =)



Zai .... to swallow dust
And if you rock the boat
We open the boshki
And the rest of the islands will remain for us
Fish see our horseradish
And crabs only in a dream
Yokohama your mom
Now for the economic part of the contract:
You will deliver electronics at dumping prices
Where to say our cars too, we will come in handy
Take away American bases from your territory
Build fish processing plants for free
And Siberia to master send for free a couple of million of your hard workers
We provide skiing. And who is not satisfied send over the lake
Ylgygytkin PrJSC

Lavrov.

[iouris]

Japan is an aggressor, an ally of Nazi Germany. By the way, the United States regarded Japan as the most dangerous adversary. The defeat of the Kwantung Army, and not the bombing, deprived Japan of the will to resist.
In 1945, the USSR complied with a UN decision to force Japan into peace.
Encephalitis ticks in our forests are Japanese weapons, a reminder of that war.

[Zaurbek]

The Japanese probably talk to each other. without us. About our islands, as in the film "Don't be afraid, I'm with you." This is no longer your tooth, not even mine ... this is his tooth!

[lopvlad]

The problem of concluding a peace treaty with the Russian Federation is inextricably linked with the problem of “northern territories”

Well, the Japanese do not want a peace treaty, then these are your problems. We all know, using the example of world history, that this is just a piece of paper which, if something means something, is only for a deliberately weak militarily country.
A peace treaty with a country under full US occupation is completely meaningless.
The Japanese, however, should have realized that Russia had already closed the attraction of unprecedented generosity and stupidity with the distribution of its land by the beginning of the 2000s.

[Sevurallag]

Now it’s not scary for Our islands, but it will take years ..... twenty, some kind of bitch will come to power and decide to return them to the Japanese. Now it is not too late to consolidate their territoriality, the ban on transmission even through a popular referendum so that there is no temptation, a special article of the Constitution.

[From Samara]

Japan built helicopter carriers, forms the Marine Corps, which was not ... Russia needs to think, and transfer the prepared units to the Kuril Islands ...

[iliya87]

The Japanese persecuted by the United States have become completely swollen. Yes, there are several purely Japanese islands, our names did not even change after the capture during the Second World War. In the 90s and early 2000s, this topic was raised and there is even mention of backstage meetings between our diplomats and the Japanese on the disputed islands. Ours offered, in my opinion, a fair deal, we give 2 Japanese islands to them and sign a peace treaty, to which the Japanese pissed off, they say we need 4 islands with two original ones. To which our diplomats said "cucumber" to you. That's all actually. And now they decided not to give up one at all, tk. there is a rule not to rewrite the territory after the Second World War, and after the Second World War, all 4 islands were ours, period. By the way, about the claim for 4 islands, the Japanese went with the incitement of the United States, the Americans categorically did not want the signing of a peace treaty. So from the beginning, let the Japanese take out of their w ... the American instrument, and then open their mouths to negotiate, otherwise there is no point in it. Or they agree to our terms and smear with vazilin the very thing, in anticipation of the US reaction.

[reservist]

Quote: iliya87

Ours offered a fair deal in my opinion, we give 2 Japanese islands to them and sign a peace treaty,

there seems to have been talk about closing the base in Okinawa, i.e. Japan should really become a neutral state ...

[lopvlad]

Quote: Rock_n_Roll

The site smoothly rolls into a collection of ignorant urapatriotic screamers

the main thing is not in a bunch of people who will make statements in the style of "oh, how ugly we acted that we won the war against those who came to rob and destroy us and our allies."
And then at first they come to us for tens and even hundreds of years to rob and kill us, then this is great for them, and when we fight back and defeat them in the war, then a heart-rending howl is heard "return our territories that we lost as a result of the war. our under the document after the defeat on the absence of claims against each other is not valid as then we acted under the burden of circumstances. "

[dchegrinec]

And what is the use of this peace treaty if Japan lies under America and fulfills any order.

[mamont5]

No, well, their business, of course. No, no, no. Although, I think that their opinion will change as soon as the "master's office" (USA) collapses.

[shinobi]

So they need this agreement. Anyone who is far from politics and world law, the lawyer will say, a precedent will be created. And then everyone will rush to Russia with pretensions. The yapps are not stupid and understand this very well.
PS: Samurai have become forgotten. Perhaps it is worth taking the side of China and refreshing their memory.

[Ros 56]

I don’t understand how it’s possible to agree on anything with the occupied country at all, they have a master, and we need to communicate with him. It's just that our diplomats are intelligent people and do not directly remind the Japanese about this.

[russmensch]

“The problem of a peace treaty is the problem of the northern territories”
Indeed, the East is a delicate matter. All this crap from the series "The wind blows because the trees sway" ... "The United States is our friend because they dropped the atomic bombs" ... It's hard for me to understand. The samurai code does not allow just to sign a peace treaty and live in harmony?

[Jackking]

Send three letters ... !!!

[Old Schweik]

They are strange people ... language - understand what the hell, women’s cowards sniff ... they’re youngsters and not youngsters at all.
What for to live so? No, I can send my cowards to them, how a Russian is ready to share the latter, but give the islands ... ???? How can I? !!!

[Ajent cho]

Tokyo as opposed to Moscow

What kind of counterbalance? Tokyo's opinion weight is 0 (zero).

[Valkh]

Then, - I'm sorry: the fee huyebukuzeye-eyed !!!!!!!!!!!

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Old Schweik

They are strange people ... language - understand what the hell

Why language - understand horseradish? Very long. The Kuril Islands did not learn to write the word, this leads to misunderstanding.
Kuril Islands - 千島 列島
Kuril Islands - 千島 列島
So understand what they want, maybe a smoke? - ス モ ー ク

[vobels]

"..The Joint Declaration of 1956, - ​​says that the parties renounced any claims against each other .." Apparently the consequences of Fukushima exacerbated the desirable abilities of Yap. And it would be better if they mastered tens of thousands of square kilometers of their empty rocky islands, and did not open their mouths to foreign lands.

[KRIG55]

I don’t really understand - we are very worried about the lack of a peace treaty with the superpower Japan? Well, we have been living quietly without it for eight decades and Japan is standing still and it’s not a problem for us. Well, the islands have been wasted. so after the fire and... the pump. The train has left, the wheel of history turns in one direction...

[Olegater]

Most likely the Japs were given the command to face because of a puddle. As with all Euro-jackals, be they scoundrels or other underlings of the shadowy tycoons of the world behind the scenes.

[Paul 48]

Quote: FooFighter

In short, since the head of the Japanese Foreign Ministry has already stated this, let Japan leave the UN, which is accepted on the basis of the adoption of the 2MB results and cease the ceasefire, at the same time transferring the lead to its American allies in the anti-Hitler coalition. Alaska is not far from us ...
If there is no peace treaty, and it means that the state of war is still between us, then what is their embassy in Moscow doing? Why is the full complement not interned? We can also send the American (those that are not spies) through some neutral country ... For example, through Iran

That's right! Japan is the only country that did not conclude a peace treaty following the Second World War. And on this basis there are territorial claims against us. Because according to the peace treaty, the Kuril Islands are ours, but this is how it turns out to be theirs...

[tanit]

Scoundrel Stalin!!!
And what - in the parliament of the country of the future hentai the issue was seriously discussed from August 4 to August 15, 1941 about the denunciation of the pact and an attack on the USSR - so why write about this? Damn you, enemies of anime!!!!
Stalin is a scoundrel.
The sons of Yamato are white, fluffy, and finally cute.
Hmmm....It happens. Now you will believe in reptilians.