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Russian army is able to grow a new elite of the Caucasian republics

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Russian army is able to grow a new elite of the Caucasian republicsThe refuted reports about the cancellation of the spring draft in the army on the territory of Chechnya drew attention to the special situation of this republic. Indeed, although Chechnya is, in the full sense of the word, a part of Russia, the consequences of its actual separation in the 90 and the two wars do not so easily pass. Everything takes time - and therefore the return to the recruitment of Chechens in the army is going very carefully.


In the course of the spring conscription now in progress, a little more than 150 thousand people will be drafted into the Russian army. This is quite a bit - about one tenth of a percent of the population.

The current army is already very different from the one that was ten years ago - there were more contract soldiers, both military training and conditions of service improved, and now they are only calling for a year. There are no more problems with the appeal - moreover, in a number of Caucasian republics, they are ready to give bribes for the right to serve.

At the same time, they call from the North Caucasus even a little less than it is supposed to by quota. With a population of about seven percent of the national, in the current call from the North Caucasus Federal District will be recruited less than eight thousand recruits - that is, about five percent of the total number of recruits. And for sure two thirds of them will be in the three millionth Stavropol Territory. That is, the six national republics with their seven million population will remain well if three thousand recruits. Dagestan, the largest of the national republics, has already announced that it will put up about 1800 people, and in Chechnya they even said that this year there will be no conscription.

However, the statement by the Chechen military commissioner Ahmed Geyrkhanov, which appeared on Monday, that the republic will miss the spring draft, because “recruits” are being drafted - “after all, the Chechens were not in the army for almost a quarter of a century” were denied the next day. First, General Vasily Tonkoshkurov, head of the General Organization and Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff, stated that the information about the cancellation of the spring draft in the Armed Forces in Chechnya is incorrect, and said that a 355 man had already been called, and then Jeyrkhanov himself said that the draft campaign was under way, “ 500 people we already serve, we are preparing the following. The guys are undergoing a medical examination, selection and registration of young people is underway. ”

In principle, there is no particular contradiction here - it seems that this spring five hundred people will call from Chechnya, that for a million republic there is a drop in the ocean. However, if we compare it with the more crowded Dagestan, it turns out that the Chechens and Dagestanis are called in approximately the same proportion. Another thing is that Dagestan’s quota has doubled in two years, while in Chechnya it does not grow - but the problem, of course, is much wider. Calling residents of the Caucasian republics to the Russian army is a serious and heated question. There are several reasons for this.

First, the Chechen war and the preceding years of the self-proclaimed independence of Chechnya.

Chechens were not called up since 1992, and when a few dozen people were deployed to a sporting center stationed in Moscow as an experiment in 2001 in the territory that had just been returned to federal control, this ended in clashes on national soil. Since then, Chechens have not been called to serve in the Russian army - which did not prevent thousands of Chechen residents, including from among former militants, from serving in the internal troops, structures of the Interior Ministry or under contract. But on the territory of Chechnya itself - where they fought, destroying the armed underground.

In 2014, Ramzan Kadyrov demanded to publicly explain the reasons for the refusal of conscription in Chechnya - and in the same autumn the first conscripts were sent to various parts of the Armed Forces. They were all 500 people - despite the fact that, as it was already then stated in the republic, “there was an accumulation of a draft resource”, which they estimated at 80 thousand people.

If there is so much in Chechnya, then in Dagestan it is even more - only in this call 15 thousands will be called up for the first time. But it is also very difficult to get into the army from Dagestan - the call from the republic was sharply reduced several years ago: from 8000 to 800 people in 2013 year.

The cause of steel ethnic problems in parts. In the zero years, Dagestan conscripts formed compatriots, and conflicts between them and the rest of the military became more and more frequent.

This is the second explanation of why the Russian army became less and less Caucasian. To avoid problems with the diasporas, it was decided to reduce the number of draftees from the North Caucasus. Photos of the bullying of some “Dagas” over their colleagues were on the social network, which threatened to seriously aggravate the already difficult inter-ethnic relations not just in the army, but in society as a whole.

On the other hand, the cessation or strong reduction of the call of the highlanders could not be eternal. It was forced and justified, but it was temporary. Why?

Because Caucasians, as full-fledged Russian citizens, should serve, especially since they themselves want it very much. Several thousand Caucasians left to fight on the side of the "Islamic caliphate" - and, apart from purely religious propaganda, the choice of the "path of jihad" was certainly influenced by the fact that they were not included in the general Russian context and were not really familiar with the Russians.

Returning the call, it is unwise and harmful to create national parts. Especially now, when the memories of the Chechen war are still very fresh, and the radical Islamist underground is trying to conduct Russophobic propaganda among Caucasian youth. With the exception of Chechnya, where the creation of national units within the Ministry of Internal Affairs was justified by the special status of the post-war and living republic under the counter-terrorist operation and, most importantly, it was in fact for many who fought against Russia a form of transition to the side of Moscow, nowhere else does this exist.

Moreover, now, after the creation of the National Guard, the number of Chechen security officials will be reduced and their command will be concentrated more in Moscow than in Grozny. It does not carry any threat of destabilizing the situation in Chechnya. Chechens, like no one, respect force and understand that both the state and the authorities in Russia will become stronger, and nothing threatens their national structure.

The call from Chechnya and Dagestan will need to be carefully increased - but in such a way as to prevent the formation of compatriots in those parts where conscripts are sent. As in the Soviet years, Chechens and Dagestanis alone will serve in different parts of the country, in different types of troops - and just through the service they will feel pride not only for their small homeland, but for the whole big country.

They will not chop up - yes, there is no such goal - but they can become true patriots of Russia. Like, for example, the current head of Ingushetia, Yevkurov, a military officer of the GRU and the hero of the "throw on Pristina" in 1999. In addition to the conscription service, the recruitment of the highlanders in the cadet corps and military schools, in the structure of the Rosguards will also increase.

And it is from their ranks that a new elite of the North Caucasian republics will gradually be formed - serving, officer, non-corrupt, able to put the interests of the country above the interests of their teip and clan. To fully incorporate the Caucasus into Russia, to prevent the formation of an abyss between this region and the rest of the country, the Russian army is needed again - this time as a forge of personnel.
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  1. Wolka
    Wolka April 14 2016 05: 49
    +6
    The most humiliating thing for Caucasians is when people say, "he is not a warrior," our task is to properly motivate and train all recruits ...
    1. The black
      The black April 14 2016 06: 05
      +1
      "Elite" - can really be raised in a military environment. I live in the Caucasus and I don't understand why they really try not to call people from the UK? ... In my opinion, given the excitement that is now around the draft (I'm talking about the Caucasian republics from it is very difficult to be drafted) you can completely select the guys who want not just to serve, but to connect their fate with the army. But this is a completely different "quality" - it makes no sense for them to bother on a term, they strive to conclude a contract. I don't know where how, but here local contractors behave like silk (much depends, apparently, on the commanders) - a step to the left, a step to the right - dismissal ...
      1. Aliv
        Aliv April 14 2016 06: 25
        +5
        Many want to serve as contractors. But he is not a conscript, and the commander has no special leverage. There is no lip, but to beat the bottom.
        1. def89
          def89 April 14 2016 07: 19
          +13
          In our unit, the commander found a good leverage - a letter to the homeland. How the Caucasians were afraid if a letter came home about their art !!!
        2. sherp2015
          sherp2015 April 14 2016 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: Aliv
          Many want to serve as contractors. But he is not a conscript, and the commander has no special leverage. There is no lip, but to beat the bottom.

          Quote: VP
          Two orderlies.
          One of them is Caucasian.

          Quote: Black
          I don't understand why they really try not to call on people from the UK? ..


          No more than one per unit.
          Herd instinct))
        3. Ros 56
          Ros 56 April 14 2016 14: 35
          +1
          What is that, to beat the boys, and if tomorrow he squeezes and will have to lie with him in the same trench. This speaks of the officer's inadequacy for the service, and it is necessary to remove his shoulder straps from him and in civilian clothes with the appropriate characteristics.
      2. VP
        VP April 14 2016 06: 55
        +21
        Quote: Black
        I live in the Caucasus and I don't understand why they really try not to call people from the UK?

        A simple example.
        Dosage.
        Two orderlies.
        One of them is Caucasian.
        Which "a man should not wash the floors with rags, this is not a man's occupation."
        As a result, either the second orderly plows for him, or blood sprays fly through the barracks.
        If there are several more people in the company from the same republic and they are of a higher conscription, then there are options. Either they, as more united and always ready to run over anyone in a crowd, crush the whole company, or the matter ends with stools broken on their heads.
        1. kugelblitz
          kugelblitz April 14 2016 07: 26
          +10
          I served in the 90s, so it came to the point that there were batches of 70 people at a time. The officers were dispersed with machine guns, so that the matter did not come to murder. Overall, you are right.
          If Caucasians are recruited, then as contract soldiers at the place of service and in case of refusal to subordinate, apply penalties on wages. Although one cannot speak for everyone, of course, if a person wants to become an officer, his views are civilized, and not Selyukov's, why not? In terms of military service, I personally think that most likely not. In extreme cases, at the place of residence.
          On the whole, the question is complex and, first of all, their problem lies in their still strong archaism of views. I've told them more than once that for some reason everything is smooth with the Tatars and Bashkirs, but for some reason there are regular graters with the Caucasians ...
        2. Achilles
          Achilles April 14 2016 09: 04
          +14
          I served in the early 2000s, in the next company there were 5 daghs, they were quiet, as soon as 15 more joined them, this is where it all started, then it’s impossible, it’s impossible, as it turned out later, they trampled the whole company, began to bully other companies , in a brazen humiliation of colleagues, they just got loose, the author of the rights they had an enclave, I was already a grandfather, as soon as in the dining room they in a tough manner hooked one of our company, then we asked the officers to close their eyes to our possible further actions and right next to the dining room, we brushed them off completely and after that they were no longer heard.
          Facts say when there are a lot of them, they really get impudent, for me it is still a mystery why this is? They are not humiliated, not beaten, but as a crowd so immediately gather in enclaves and go berserk
        3. The black
          The black April 14 2016 15: 53
          +1
          A simple example.
          Dosage.
          Two orderlies.
          One of them is Caucasian.
          Which "a man should not wash the floors with rags, this is not a man's occupation."
          As a result, either the second orderly plows for him, or blood sprays fly through the barracks.
          So the commanders were hi ... I've studied at a military school and waved both a rag and a "mashka" along with everyone else. And when I came to the unit as a young lieutenant, I remember a case when two fellow countrymen refused to participate on an equal basis with everyone else in the cleaning of the filthy abandoned premises. supposedly they came to the army not to clean up, but to serve. After which I, I apologize for the expression, jerked them off on the parade ground, right up to a pig squeal. What do you think? As the grandmother whispered. Remember how in that movie: To a cement plant - I, to a construction site - I ... smile
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris April 14 2016 06: 59
        0
        With these guys, more or less everything is clear. Contrary to the general opinion, I will say this: I passed an urgent emergency at 82-84 in military unit 54119 in the suburbs. This is VSO, a construction battalion. So with all that mess and lawlessness perpetrated by Central Asians, Chechens often sided " oppressed Slavs. "But I haven't seen a single gypsy in the army. It's time to make these gold-toothed idlers" Love the Motherland. "
      4. Vladimir.z.
        Vladimir.z. April 14 2016 09: 26
        +4
        1 ..... in a number of Caucasian republics they are ready to give bribes for the right to serve ...
        2 ..... And it is from their ranks that a new elite of the North Caucasian republics will gradually form - serving, as an officer, uncorrupted, capable of putting the interests of the country above the interests of their teip and clan ...

        Those who give bribes so that they can get into the army later and the rest of their lives will have to fight off the costs incurred, therefore, the "elite of the North Caucasian republics" is not so white and fluffy as the author claims .... And Caucasian youth registering with relatives living in the central regions of Russia through bribes and so in the army gets and even then in "quiet army backwaters" in warehouses and other parts of the security. And there they establish their caliphates ...
      5. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR April 14 2016 14: 27
        0
        I am for the call from the nat. republics, but only after a thorough examination by a psychotherapist and a letter of guarantee from relatives.
      6. user
        user April 15 2016 10: 34
        0
        and here the local contractors behave like silk (much depends, apparently, on the commanders) - a step to the left, a step to the right - dismissal ...


        This is the biggest problem for the commanders, in addition to combat training, they still have to deal with the subunit for 24 hours, otherwise they get lost in a flock, and then. ... ... ... who commanded units with their presence will understand what I mean.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH April 14 2016 06: 07
      +23
      our task is to properly motivate and train all recruits ...
      Do you know how to do this?))) Did you serve with the Chechens? They only obey the force. Moreover, you will not always break them with dull physical strength. Experienced commanders are needed to work with Caucasians. Where can I get them? It takes time to learn to work with the highlanders. Yes, not everyone is given this. If there is more than one Chechen in the unit, this is already a force. I am not crying, but thinking. I am reflecting, relying on my experience, oh, Volka.
      1. The black
        The black April 14 2016 06: 27
        -1
        If there is more than one Chechen in the unit, this is already a force.
        So you mean these two will keep the whole part at bay? smile RAVE!!! It all depends on the commanders ..
        I am reflecting, relying on my experience, oh, Volka.
        Experience is good, but only it tends to sometimes become outdated. smile When you and I served (though I am serving now), military units were recruited in a slightly different way. (There were several times fewer contract workers) smile
        1. VP
          VP April 14 2016 06: 57
          +9
          Quote: Black
          So you're saying these two will keep the whole part at bay? RAVE!!! It all depends on the commanders ..

          Have you served?
          Were there Caucasians in the unit? Do they, according to your observations, have the same mentality as the rest?
          1. The black
            The black April 14 2016 07: 19
            +3
            Have you served?
            Were there Caucasians in the unit? Do they, according to your observations, have the same mentality as the rest?
            ... First of all, you didn't answer my question smile Secondly, I served, thirdly, I am a Caucasian myself, and fourthly, the mentality is different even among the guys of the same nationality, but from different regions. wink
            1. VP
              VP April 14 2016 07: 37
              +2
              Quote: Black
              First of all, you didn't answer my question

              He was not there. But if you need an answer ...
              Two people won't hold anyone.
              Four or five - they will try. Whether it will turn out or not depends on many things, primarily on the position of the "grandfathers". The truth is now the problem with the grandfathers - there are none as such.
              Quote: Black
              mentality is different even among guys of the same nationality, but from different regions

              Yes, you're right here. I myself saw the example of two Azerbaijanis, one from Baku, the other from somewhere in the village. Strongly different.
            2. de_monSher
              de_monSher April 14 2016 10: 25
              +1
              Secondly, I served, thirdly, I am a Caucasian myself, and fourthly, the mentality is different


              Well done, and I support your every word ... *))) I wish you uninterrupted career growth, and calm service ... *)
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH April 14 2016 10: 07
          +1
          So you're saying these two will keep the whole part at bay? RAVE!!! It all depends on the commanders ..
          82 year ... Tank training in Dresden. 3 Chechen cadets dro .. or a company of 135 people. along with the sergeants. I served in another company and I know this firsthand. At least prove it to me, but I saw it. And then I had to command the Dagami ... And experience does not get old, but accumulates, my young friend. And ... the commanders do not need "sticks", so they close their eyes to many things ...
          1. Nikolay82
            Nikolay82 April 14 2016 13: 24
            +2
            in the shitty part you served with such officers and colleagues. In the USSR, the situations were different in the army. At that time, the Nokhchi did not always dominate, even with equal compositions, they called on everyone without filtering. Somewhere, the Chechens got it well, only they always provoked a conflict.
          2. The black
            The black April 14 2016 18: 08
            0
            82 year ... Tank training in Dresden. 3 Chechen cadets dro .. or a company of 135 people. together with sergeants
            Alexey, have you ever wondered HOW !!!! THREE!!!! Chechen
            or a company of 135 people.
            and even if
            commanders do not need "sticks", so they close their eyes to many things ...
            , then what are these 135 people defenders, if they screwed up in front of three Czechs - cadets (i.e. first years)
            ,
            my young friend.
            Thank! At my age it sounds like a compliment hi
      2. demo
        demo April 14 2016 06: 29
        +1
        Questions are not always asked in order to get answers. True?
        Read, read, read as much as possible!
        Read the story of the conquest of the Caucasus. Read about how our great statesmen, governors-general and governors, knew how not only to get along with the mountaineers, but to make them their loyal allies.
        But at the same time, they did not hesitate to destroy those who went against, who took the side of the enemy, who violated the agreement and oath.

        I beg you. Read on.
        And amazing truths will open to you that will allow you not to ask questions.

        And more.
        Experience is a chain of mistakes and achievements.
        What is more, this is the experience.
        But not every experience allows you to rely on it.
        It may not be enough.
        1. Nikolay82
          Nikolay82 April 14 2016 13: 37
          0
          who told you that the Caucasus was once subdued? Even in Soviet times, in Chechnya (and not only), they tried to live by their own laws and observed customs.
          To get to know the Caucasus, you need to communicate with people from different places and with different upbringing.
          The book is good, but not everything is described there. Sometimes people from the Caucasus do not know all the nuances of their neighbors.
    3. populist
      populist April 14 2016 06: 19
      +5
      Wolka
      our task is to properly motivate and train all recruits ...

      In Soviet times, they were properly motivated for 70 years.
      As a result, two Chechen wars.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn April 14 2016 09: 03
        +3
        Quote: populist
        Wolka
        our task is to properly motivate and train all recruits ...

        In Soviet times, they were properly motivated for 70 years.
        As a result, two Chechen wars.

        Yeah, they all became patriots during their service in the SA - like Dudayev (Major General), or Maskhadov (Colonel).
    4. Aliv
      Aliv April 14 2016 06: 22
      +14
      For a Caucasian to become a soldier, it is not necessary to serve in the RF Armed Forces. There are other methods. Stalin also said: "One Chechen is an excellent soldier. Two Chechens are an uncontrollable gang." And don't expect good service from them. The commanders will turn up. As always, Russians will serve for the Caucasians.
      1. The black
        The black April 14 2016 06: 29
        -3
        .
        And don't expect good service from them. The commanders will turn up. As always, Russians will serve for the Caucasians.
        I propose to come to Chechnya and see who the military units stationed there are staffed with smile
        1. Yegorchik
          Yegorchik April 14 2016 07: 32
          +16
          Quote: Black
          I propose to come to Chechnya and see who the military units stationed there are staffed with smile

          The value of units manned by Chechens is zero. These are units of peacetime, as long as Russia is strong and can hang people, they will pose as patriots, even fight in small minor conflicts, as soon as Russia is faced with a big disaster and every soldier will be able to hold weapons of these parasites will begin to slaughter civilians and shoot in the backs of our soldiers, not forgetting to slobber on our enemies' boots. This has always been the case in great wars and during periods of internal turmoil.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 14 2016 07: 47
            -5
            Quote: Egorchik as soon as Russia faces a big disaster and every soldier capable of holding weapons counts, these parasites will begin to slaughter civilians and shoot our soldiers in the back, not forgetting to slobber on our enemies. This was always the case in great wars and during periods of internal upheaval.

            You know, I also read Igor Pykhalov's book "Why Stalin ...". Good book. But, with all my respect for the period of the 30s of Soviet Power, I cannot help but notice that things were not always great on the ground. Commissars who came from the center, often did not understand local customs, communicated with the highlanders, as they used to with the Russians. This gave rise to grievances, from which there is only one step to "blood feud".
            Agree that for you, "yo. Your mother", this phrase does not have a direct meaning, then for a Caucasian, a wild insult. And, so not only in this. Nationalism is a phenomenon that occurs precisely because of a misunderstanding of a person of a different nationality. And, with Caucasians, this misunderstanding becomes very prominent.
            Give, as they say, to your work, to understand a person, do not insult him and the Caucasian will become your best friend, reliable friend.
            1. Nikolay82
              Nikolay82 April 14 2016 13: 44
              0
              comrade are you a provocateur or stupid? Who told you that Russians are flawed ??? Who told you that if you please a Caucasian, he will respect you ???
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 14 2016 16: 10
                -3
                Where, you read about the inferiority? If you don’t understand the point, then this is not my problem. I do not seek anything respect. I’m just sure that we need to talk to people humanly. And if you’re not capable, then don’t clog the ether.
                1. Nikolay82
                  Nikolay82 April 14 2016 17: 23
                  +1
                  Do you think it is normal for a Russian to say that you wrote about "mother", or will all this be ignored?
          2. The black
            The black April 14 2016 11: 05
            -1
            The value of units staffed by Chechens is zero
            Go to the website of the Ministry of Defense and say that you do not agree with the principles of manning the units stationed in Chechnya smile
            1. Nikolay82
              Nikolay82 April 14 2016 13: 55
              +1
              Dear one, can you enlighten what happened in the village of Borzoi, Shatoi district of the Chechen Republic (military unit 16544), at the end of February?
              Interested in the Chechen version, from the moment of the attack on the unit.
              1. The black
                The black April 14 2016 15: 26
                0
                Dear, can you enlighten what happened in the village of Borzoi, Shatoi district of the Chechen Republic (military unit 16544), at the end of February? Interested in the Chechen version
                here you have both the Chen version and the command version
                1. Nikolay82
                  Nikolay82 April 14 2016 17: 16
                  +2
                  thanks irony, only the official version is known to everyone. Residents of the village, voiced another version.
                  1. The black
                    The black April 14 2016 17: 46
                    0
                    Residents of the village, voiced another version.
                    Well, then you already know the Chechen version, the villagers. Why did you ask? laughing
                    thanks ironian
                    and why an Ironian? smile , spelled the dialect? laughing
                    1. Nikolay82
                      Nikolay82 April 14 2016 18: 28
                      0
                      I wanted to clarify with a military man who is in the region. soldier
                      many Ossetians now call themselves Ironists, sorry if I was mistaken. recourse
                      1. The black
                        The black April 14 2016 18: 37
                        0
                        many Ossetians now call themselves Ironians, sorry if I made a mistake
                        Not mistaken laughing , there are simply three dialects of the Ossetian language (including Ironian), but the fact that
                        many Ossetians now call themselves Ironians
                        , so this is the self-name of the Ossetians .... In the Ossetian language there is no word "Ossetian"
        2. Safar
          Safar April 14 2016 08: 09
          +8
          I propose to come to Chechnya and see who the military units stationed there are staffed with

          Excuse me, but how many percent are there Russians in the Chechen units? And on the oath, do everyone honestly and honestly claim that they are ready to serve the Russian Federation, and not Chechnya, or, say, Kafirov?
          1. The black
            The black April 14 2016 15: 32
            0
            And on the oath, do everyone honestly and honestly claim that they are ready to serve the Russian Federation, and not Chechnya, or, say, Kafirov?
            Are you suggesting that I test them with a polygraph? Sorry, but I have no such authority laughing ... but about the oath, ask the commander of this unit Gorobets wink
    5. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ April 14 2016 06: 33
      +18
      I have read a book for a long time, which contains the research of a military psychologist, even from Soviet times.
      This is what he writes about the Caucasian conscripts. Not literally, but the meaning is that.
      Caucasian recruits, due to their physiological properties, in comparison with Slavic peoples, physically develop faster, get stronger physically, like men.
      And further. Where one Caucasian serves in a unit, this is, as a rule, an advanced soldier, an "excellent combat and political", a good junior commander - a sergeant.
      Where two Caucasians serve, especially if of the same nationality, these are undisciplined soldiers who are constantly in conflict with their comrades in the service.
      Where three or more Caucasians serve, God forbid of one nationality, they form a hooligan, semi-bandit group that keeps all surrounding soldiers in fear, and if their number reaches ten, then they crush the soldiers of the entire military unit.
      It is impossible to allow the joint service of Caucasian conscripts in one military unit, you need to scatter them in different parts so that they are of different nationalities, no more than 1-2 people.
      I agree with this, since I have encountered similar phenomena in my service.
      1. The black
        The black April 14 2016 06: 51
        -3
        It is impossible to allow the joint service of Caucasian conscripts in one military unit, you need to scatter them in different parts so that they are of different nationalities, no more than 1-2 people
        . Is it necessary to increase the number of military units or reduce the number of conscripts? wink
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev April 14 2016 07: 21
        +4
        Quote: vladimirZ
        I have read a book for a long time, which contains the research of a military psychologist, even from Soviet times.
        This is what he writes about the Caucasian conscripts. Not literally, but the meaning is that.
        Caucasian recruits, due to their physiological properties, in comparison with Slavic peoples, physically develop faster, get stronger physically, like men.
        And further. Where one Caucasian serves in a unit, this is, as a rule, an advanced soldier, an "excellent combat and political", a good junior commander - a sergeant.
        Where two Caucasians serve, especially if of the same nationality, these are undisciplined soldiers who are constantly in conflict with their comrades in the service.
        Where three or more Caucasians serve, God forbid of one nationality, they form a hooligan, semi-bandit group that keeps all surrounding soldiers in fear, and if their number reaches ten, then they crush the soldiers of the entire military unit.
        It is impossible to allow the joint service of Caucasian conscripts in one military unit, you need to scatter them in different parts so that they are of different nationalities, no more than 1-2 people.
        I agree with this, since I have encountered similar phenomena in my service.

        I agree that in our division (1964-67) there were Armenians, Georgians, Dagestanis, Turkmens and they all clustered together in a community. There were problems with the Dagestanis, although people are different in character, to this day I remember good things about the Avar Kadyrov. I was interested in how they live. in 40 nationalities in a mountainous republic, and he is about the Russian way of life. I don’t know what his fate is, before he was drafted he worked in the oil industry in Grozny. Dedovshchina went after the decree of "Browstoy" on the conscription of former prisoners into the army (1967). My opinion is at least one Caucasian , maximum one Caucasian per regiment. Platoon, company, battalion, division is excluded, although, from our regiment, missile divisions were located at a decent distance, they managed to write off.
      3. VP
        VP April 14 2016 07: 51
        +4
        According to my observation, it is.
        One Caucasian is indeed almost always among the best.
        Several Caucasians are a big headache for the unit.
  2. RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette April 14 2016 05: 58
    -1
    During the service in the USSR Armed Forces, the concept of nationality was blurred, of course, each people had its own peculiarities, but there was much more common, common. I hope, despite the sediment after the Chechen campaigns, the integration processes in the RF Armed Forces will eventually be brought to the level of mutual respect and unifying common goals ... despite the fact that modern youth is very hot-tempered, cruel and not tolerant. It takes time, the verified work of the higher command and the officers of subunits and units.
    1. VP
      VP April 14 2016 07: 52
      +4
      Quote: RussianRoulette
      During the service in the USSR Armed Forces, the concept of nationality was blurred, each people, of course, had its own characteristics, but there was much more in common

      Are you telling this to those who themselves served in the SA? wink
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 14 2016 07: 54
        +2
        Are you telling this to those who themselves served in the SA?

        Five with a plus. You can’t say better!
  3. avva2012
    avva2012 April 14 2016 06: 04
    +12
    From the experience of serving in the Soviet Army, I can say that Caucasians are great guys, if there are no more than two of them. Given our huge homeland, I think this balance should be respected in parts of the armed forces.
    1. The black
      The black April 14 2016 06: 08
      +1
      From the experience of serving in the Soviet Army, I can say that Caucasians are excellent guys, if there are no more than two of them in the unit.
      From the experience of SA, yes, but if you call on the guys who want to serve on a contract later, this is no longer important.
      Considering our vast Motherland, I think this balance should be observed in the military units.
      ... but I still agree with that. smilebecause it helps to connect mentally
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 April 14 2016 07: 09
        0
        Quote: Black From the experience of SA, yes, but if you call on the guys who want to serve on a contract later, this is no longer important.

        A contract on the territory of Chechnya or Dagestan is one thing. There, their old people live nearby and just authoritative people from their teip (clan). The commander doesn't have to do anything, just ask: "How do you think your family will react to your behavior?" Everything, the issue is resolved. It will be like silk. It's another matter outside the republic. A contractor, not a contractor, but the upbringing and way of thinking can not go anywhere. Clumping like fellow countrymen, an attempt to establish their own order, ass-t Russian. Behind the fence, some of the girls in short skirts and clearly prettier (no offense) are mostly of the fair sex of their nationality. So that's the problem. Under these conditions, at least appoint an elder in the unit. Imagine, at the headquarters of the regiment, a grandfather with a beard to the floor and a hat sitting? laughing
        And, to create an elite, that is, officers, is a good idea. If you set the conditions that you won’t go to school, if there are problems with discipline, then there will probably be an incentive for the young Caucasian to serve normally.
        Well, it’s absolutely impossible to train rear officers. laughing
        1. The black
          The black April 14 2016 07: 14
          +1
          It's another matter outside the republic.
          And who prevents the commander "outside the republic" from dismissing such a double bass? wink Believe me, I live and serve here and I know what I'm talking about smile Nobody here scares them with elders, if you don't want to serve, you are free ... By the way, the minuses for my offer to come and make sure that most of the contract soldiers in Chechnya are Chechens are touching ... smile Did I type them? Or do you think that this is not true? laughing
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 14 2016 07: 23
            +1
            Quote: Black And who prevents the commander "outside the republic" from dismissing such a double bass?

            Vyacheslav, I still don’t understand. Do you serve in Chechnya? If, yes, you read my comment.
            I don’t know about "dismissing the double bass" outside the republic, but there must be good reasons for dismissal. Plus, a question from the superiors: "Oh, you, that dear, do not know how to educate, why do you spoil the reporting?" So or not, I can't say, but the psychology of the bosses is the same everywhere. And in the army, in general, everything is in contrast than in civilian life.
            1. The black
              The black April 14 2016 07: 37
              0
              Vyacheslav, I still don't understand, do you serve in Chechnya?
              Alexander, I serve NOT in Chechnya (but in the Caucasus). I often visit Chechnya and I know perfectly well who serves there. As for "spoiling the statistics" - I disagree. They are fired once or twice .... Any failure to comply with the order is free. What is not a good reason?
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 14 2016 07: 53
                +2
                Quote: Black Get fired two times ....

                Your deeds are wonderful.
                Get fired one, two. It’s as if I don’t live in Russia. Great news, it's high time! By the way, an immodest question, are you not Ossetians, by any chance?
                1. The black
                  The black April 14 2016 10: 41
                  +2
                  you are not Ossetian, by any chance?
                  just like that, even why by RANDOM? laughing
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 April 14 2016 10: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Black Ossetian, at least why RANDOM?

                    Of course, not by chance. laughing About the mentality is different, that's for sure. You, our Alan brothers, have an Orthodox mentality. The blood is hot, and the outlook on life is different than that of the other peoples of the Caucasus. Nice to meet in the open air. hi
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ April 14 2016 12: 25
                      +2
                      Ossetians, although Caucasian people whom we are discussing in the army, due to their Orthodox origin, should not be included in the situation of "limited conscription".
                      Ossetians in the war, among the large number of awards with the Star of the Hero, in the calculation of the Hero of the Soviet Union for the number of people in the nation, are among the first.
                      Ossetians, one of the few Caucasian people, have earned the right to serve in the Army in battles and battles, and cannot be limited in any way in the number of conscripts!
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 April 14 2016 16: 15
                        0
                        Quote: vladimirZ Ossetians, although Caucasian people whom we are discussing in the army, due to their Orthodox origin, should not be included in the situation of "limited conscription".

                        Well, who can argue! Alana, those are still warriors! Take a look at history. The only jarring, Vladimir, "though". They are Caucasians. The real ones. hi
                      2. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ April 14 2016 16: 52
                        +1
                        Ossetians ... They are Caucasians. The real ones.
                        - avva2012 (3)

                        No one argues about this.
                        We are discussing Caucasian people according to their penchant for gang violence, for hooligan and criminal actions in the Army.
                        This can not be attributed to the Ossetians. Ossetians are an exception in the Caucasian peoples regarding service in the Army, to the Russians. Religion, traditions of military duty, they have different than most Caucasian peoples.
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 April 14 2016 17: 02
                        0
                        Quote: vladimirZ No one argues about this.
                        We are discussing Caucasian people according to their penchant for gang violence, for hooligan and criminal actions in the Army.
                        This can not be attributed to the Ossetians. Ossetians are an exception in the Caucasian peoples regarding service in the Army, to the Russians. Religion, traditions of military duty, they have different than most Caucasian peoples.

                        With "although" figured out, thank God. laughing Well, for the friendship of peoples (people) among themselves! drinks
  4. VP
    VP April 14 2016 08: 32
    +2
    Perhaps you `re right. Probably there are differences between those who simply, roughly speaking, "raked in with melon" and those who immediately want to link their fate with the army.
    But ... I don't know, you need to watch how it will be, most likely that is why there are still limited sets - to understand what will come out.
    1. The black
      The black April 14 2016 10: 44
      +1
      there are differences between those who are simply, roughly speaking, "raked with melon" and those who immediately want to link their fate with the army.
      Of course, there are differences. Because the fact of the matter is that here nobody is taken from the melons, those who want to get to serve - the sea. Do not be surprised, but the military registration and enlistment offices make good money on this desire ...
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius April 14 2016 06: 17
    -4
    no matter who and from where .. the main thing is competent training and motivation .. I think that they are already happy to serve their country! the main thing is not to separate Dagestan and Chechnya from a single Russia!
    1. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey April 14 2016 07: 03
      +1
      Did you even serve?))
    2. Zlodeey
      Zlodeey April 14 2016 07: 17
      +8
      They are happy to serve only because of the fact that then they become managers of the state. structures will crawl through their relatives, acquaintances, etc.
  • kugelblitz
    kugelblitz April 14 2016 06: 30
    +6
    I myself had to serve alongside the Caucasians and made a conclusion. If one piece at a time, then it is normal, if the crowd, then fraught. Although among them there were also quite sane, very responsibly, by the way, approached the education of fellow countrymen of a younger call. And so the Kabardians, for example, were more civilized or something, with them there was no massacre at all, unlike the Dagestanis.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik April 14 2016 06: 32
    +6
    Also from my service experience. There were Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians - there were no problems with them, I was friends with some. And he never got close to the Ukrainians and Moldovans, it was painful for them to cling to the stripes, and hazing from them came. There were normal guys from Central Asia.
  • Yegorchik
    Yegorchik April 14 2016 07: 07
    +18
    Is there any point in drafting Chechens into the army if, in the event of a major war, they shoot in the back? and they will be with a probability of 99.9%.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 14 2016 07: 09
      -10%
      Quote: Egorchik
      Is there any point in drafting Chechens into the army if, in the event of a major war, they shoot in the back? and they will be with a probability of 99.9%.

      The Chechens won't shoot us in the back, but about the Kazakhs, I'm not at all sure.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 14 2016 08: 20
        +11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The Chechens won't shoot us in the back, but about the Kazakhs, I'm not at all sure.

        What about the Mongols? What do the Kazakhs have to do with it, this is a different country!
        For reference, in the Second World War, there were many cases when Chechens and Dagestanis massacred commanders and whole subunits went over to the side of the Germans. But about the Kazakhs, everyone knows about the feat of the Panfilov heroes near Moscow, and so the Panfilov division was recruited in Kazakhstan.
        1. Yegorchik
          Yegorchik April 14 2016 08: 39
          +4
          From Stas's comment, I guessed that Romanov answered something, hello Romanov, I've been on your black list for 2-3 years already, so why comment on my statements if I don't see yours? Or is it so convenient that no one refutes your absurd arguments?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 14 2016 15: 44
            -1
            Quote: Egorchik
            Hello Romanov, I've been on your black list for 2-3 years

            And not in vain!
        2. DON-100
          DON-100 April 14 2016 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          For reference, in the Second World War, there were many cases when Chechens and Dagestanis massacred commanders and whole subunits went over to the side of the Germans.

          Give a pzhl a link or tell me where you can get acquainted with the facts and evidence of what you wrote about. The first time I hear that in the Second World War there were units of Chechens or Dagestanis. There were problems with some of the Chechens in Chechnya itself, and not at the front, in particular the well-known uprising of Sheripov and Israilov in 41-42, but about the Dagestanis this is an outright lie.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 14 2016 15: 44
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          What about the Mongols? What do the Kazakhs have to do with it, this is a different country!

          And despite the fact that someone comes from Kazakhstan and writes similar comments on inciting hatred.
  • Million
    Million April 14 2016 07: 34
    +11
    Will they shave off their beards?
    I would not have conscripted anyone from these republics for 30 years. Their time has not come yet, they have not become people yet.
  • Blaster
    Blaster April 14 2016 08: 14
    +8
    Chechens are not needed in the army, let them first become normal people
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 14 2016 15: 45
      -2
      Quote: Blaster
      Chechens are not needed in the army, let them first become normal people

      When Chechens died in Ukraine, why didn't you write something like that?
  • Orang
    Orang April 14 2016 08: 26
    +5
    We grew up in the army at one time the "elite", take the same Dudaev.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 April 14 2016 08: 38
    +6
    In the XNUMXs, Dagestani conscripts formed a community, and conflicts between them and the rest of the military became more and more frequent.

    In the Soviet years, they could not cope with this, with the victory of democracy, the situation became even worse and in the zero years the problem was solved simply (a headache, to cut off the head), they stopped conscripting into the army. Now, they seem to be calling again. But I would like to know if something has changed, for the Caucasians in the worldview, and for our commanders in terms of control levers for such situations? Or again it will be as always:
    Photos of the bullying of some of the "Dag" over their colleagues got into social networks, which threatened a serious aggravation of the already difficult interethnic relations not just in the army, but in society as a whole.
  • Heimdall47
    Heimdall47 April 14 2016 08: 46
    +11
    The nephew is serving now, says that a Chechen conscript used the last words of their officer right in front of the line. And he simply wiped himself off and said nothing.
    He_r needs such soldiers (and officers too).
    The Russians must serve in the army, and all the others are closer to Oymyakon.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik April 14 2016 09: 24
      +6
      Quote: Heimdall47

      The Russians must serve in the army, and all the others are closer to Oymyakon.

      Well, don't tell me, only the Chechens are not worthy to serve the Motherland and the Crimean Tatars, all the rest, with their blood in the trenches of the Great Patriotic War, proved that they can fight just as well as Russians if the enemy threatens their common home. in case of trouble, fighting in the same trench with the Russians, warriors like the Yakut Okhlopkov cannot be superfluous. That is why I always read with pleasure about new buildings on the outskirts of Russia. But every penny invested in the Chechens is a future bullet in the back of our soldiers.
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 April 14 2016 11: 23
      +1
      What does wipe mean? No one has canceled criminal liability for insulting, especially the boss.
      1. Heimdall47
        Heimdall47 April 14 2016 13: 31
        +4
        What does wipe mean?

        This means that the soldier did not suffer any consequences. Due to the fact that he has relatives "at the top". What he publicly announced there on the parade ground.
        Criminal liability for insult

        Well, yes - after all, we have such a legal, democratic state before the emotion. smile
        The responsibility in our country is usually borne by the weak, the timid and the poor.
  • user3970
    user3970 April 14 2016 09: 18
    +8
    Judging by the way they behave in Nerezinova and St. Petersburg, they are far from people. I understand - children of bandits and war. As for the Caucasian officers ... Several years ago, there was a stir in the Suvorov school, a group of guys from the Caucasus was accepted, and then there was silence. Apparently they could not become cadets. By the way, who do we have? Major General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? hero of russia? And what is his military education? Did he serve an emergency? And General Evkurov. Hero of Russia. Two Caucasians, one bandit in life, the second pride of Russia. Something gnaws at me the suspicion that one of the tasks of creating the SS of the National Guard is the elimination of an abscess in Chechnya called the Kadyrka special forces. We remember how he promised to shoot specialists from other regions who arrived in his khanate without an invitation.
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat April 14 2016 11: 02
      0
      Eh, minus one for the photo. And the text is correct. Sorry.
  • kinolog2322
    kinolog2322 April 14 2016 09: 26
    +2
    He served in 1999-2001 53 POGO. There were Dagi, about 50 people. If not a rag himself, then everything is ok. At the outposts, only a few, mainly in the Republic of Moldova and other divisions. Almost everyone is friendly with sports. Our guys need to physically and mentally tighten To have a rod. They are also afraid of drills. Himself from Buryatia. The boys there are more adapted to life in the male team.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 14 2016 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: kinolog2322 Buryats are also afraid. Himself from Buryatia. The boys there are more adapted to life in the men's team.

      “He is a master of sniper science, Fascist evil spirits, What golden hands. What sharp eyes! ”
      This is about Semyon Danilovich Nomokonov. From the Aginsky Buryat district. Almost a fellow countryman, from Transbaikalia. They do not drill, or evenk, or tungus.
      No difference. Soviet man. I support the opinion.
  • iliya87
    iliya87 April 14 2016 09: 42
    0
    Good article. Briefly, succinctly and to the point. There would be more such authors on VO.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 14 2016 09: 46
    0
    It is possible and necessary to educate the elite. Moreover, this should be done from a young age (army, institute, school) in Soviet times, the work was very well established. Moreover, it is also necessary to deal with the elite of the CIS countries around us. From 1991 to 2000, this was abandoned, and different people (sects, agents of influence) came to this place in different regions. If you do not do this work, the result will be predictable.
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho April 14 2016 10: 22
    +4
    It is enough to "dissolve" in itself all evil spirits. Sorry, it hurt.
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher April 14 2016 10: 44
      +1
      It is enough to "dissolve" in itself all evil spirits. Sorry, it hurt.


      Don't do this, dear. Otherwise, at some point in time, even the strongest "antibiotics" will not help you. Or turn into "evil" yourself.

      With "evil spirits" it is necessary to act as one should do with it - to root it out. But people, normal, in any circumstances will find a common language with each other.

      Something like this ...
      1. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho April 15 2016 13: 17
        0
        With "evil spirits" it is necessary to act as it should be done with it - to root it out.
        What am I talking about?
      2. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho April 15 2016 13: 17
        0
        With "evil spirits" it is necessary to act as it should be done with it - to root it out.
        What am I talking about?
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher April 15 2016 13: 20
          0
          It is enough to "dissolve" in itself all evil


          Are these your words? I was scared for you ... *)
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    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 14 2016 16: 15
      -1
      And you are a benefactor, rub yourself with a brush and you get 40% Slav with Finougr, 30% Turks with Mongols, 30% Khazars with Varangians. Have you dissolved the Mongols in yourself too? Or did the Mongols run and dissolve for 400 years? The choice is not the greatest, you can benefit from living together, but you can also vice versa. But history says that the first option is more useful ...
      1. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho April 15 2016 13: 16
        0
        And you are a benefactor, rub yourself with a brush and you get 40% Slav with Finougr, 30% Turks with Mongols, 30% Khazars with Varangians.
        Yes. I have enough. And a Caucasian has no place in my blood.
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN April 14 2016 10: 34
    0
    I respect any people, but not those who are disrespectful and arrogant towards other cultures. At the expense of Caucasians in the army, my personal opinion, they go to serve not for the sake of being warriors (as it was already written here above), but for in order to preserve the backbone of the Caucasian groups, they are very close-knit, where even 2 people will stick together to the end, and in our country, alas, even 10 people will not find unity and another moment (mentality) when, having offended one Caucasian, he will call his entire diaspora, and if they hurt us, they will never interfere with this conflict, worrying about them - is it good or bad, everyone should decide separately
    Conclusion: We are all no better and no worse than each other, you just need to respect the traditions of each and there will be one united, strong country.
  • Xoxoxnumxun
    Xoxoxnumxun April 14 2016 12: 48
    +8
    He served in 2010-2011 years. First training in Ulyanovsk then 32 military camp of the ECB. I can say the following:
    1. Officers are not fully prepared to manage such a complex contingent. Both professionally and psychologically, and due to the lack of a punitive mechanism + are not financially motivated. For any violation that pops up or flies out of office, or lose bonuses. Of the lieutenants just do the rope twist, how else do they not wash the floors I am surprised. The cadets of the 5-th course so just dagi robbed phones and laptops. And these are future commanders ...
    2. Officers are easier to punish Russians. Easy, without hesitation. They try not to mess with Caucasians. As a result, some feel unprotected by the second with impunity.
    3. Caucasians are amazingly cruel. Do not have frames and brakes. Ready to kill. Not afraid of the law. If my memory serves me as an officer who tried to restrain them, they still slaughtered us for the year we got there. Russians still do not go beyond petty pranks (drunkenness, self-propelled guns).
    4. In a small amount (1-2 people) they try not to stand out. In more outright bandits. Most. Moreover, it does not matter from the indigenous republics or not. From central Russia after some time they merge and merge with the total mass. Contractors are not at all wiser. They head this process more and cover it in front of officers. At least those whom I saw. Do not fall to chaos units. There are even people who stand up for others, but there are few of them, and it is hard for them after that.
    5. On a horizontal level, they can really become great comrades. On the vertical only problems. Moreover, if they can still engage in combat and physical training, then there is definitely no economic on par with everyone.
    My conclusion:
    Distribution by 1-2 of a person into a part will not help. Because either there are not enough parts, or they will not take into account those who come from the regions. And if so, that they will come to another part on 50-100.
    What I think can be done:
    A) prepare officers to work with such contingents at the university.
    B) give officers effective punitive leverage.
    C) change the material motivation of officers. And you’re already afraid of your own shadow. A little something from the service will fly out or lose the prize.
    D) to revive the mass initial military training and educational work in the Russian regions. They come completely unprepared. Amorphous. For the first 2 of a month in a critical situation, they do not protect themselves with a comrade, but mumble something unintelligible and instinctively look for the ALT + F4 buttons with their fingers.

    PySy: All that is said about officers is non-combat officers. Those who fought keep order.
  • tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 April 14 2016 13: 58
    +7
    At the genetic level, Caucasians do not accept the traditions and foundations of Russian society. The other day I saw a picture in the dining room. Self-service - ate, collect the tray and take it away. "Caucasians behaved very defiantly. They showed with all their looks that they are cool and they do not care ... they devoured and dumped, leaving everything on the table. Such actions cause only a feeling of disgust and nothing else. These peoples will never become part of Russian society. overestimated self-esteem. I do not believe them. If some kind of global mess happens, they will substitute us.
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    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 14 2016 16: 17
      -2
      That would have stayed on the Don ...
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 15 2016 10: 39
    0
    They will not become Russian - and there is no such goal - but they can become real patriots of Russia. Like, for example, the current head of Ingushetia Yevkurov,
    Dudayev was also a military officer. Everything depends on the person, not on the service.
  • onix757
    onix757 April 15 2016 19: 21
    0
    Yes, she will grow up, the main thing is not to forget to unfasten the money .. in a timely manner.