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Geodesy and cartography are on the verge of extinction


The situation prevailing in many Moscow universities, causes concern that it will take several more years and technical specialists will simply not be trained. Under the threat of liquidation was one of the oldest universities in Russia - Moscow University of Geodesy and Cartography (MIIGAiK).

The world admires the “Caliber”, finding the target for thousands of kilometers and flying to it by a whimsical route. High-explosive bombs from the Second World War, our specialists have learned to drop from a height of five kilometers with a three-meter accuracy. Navigator in the car has become a basic attribute, and on the space maps you can go for mushrooms. In order for these wonders, like many others, to take place, surveyors are needed. And not anyhow what, and the highest class.

We wanted the best


But the trouble is whether the concept of “geodesy” has become annoying to someone, or another to attack, but this word disappears from the names of all surveyor structures, often with them. During Soviet times, the State Administration of Geological and Cultural Management was the General Directorate of Geodesy and Cartography under the Council of Ministers. A serious structure with numerous subdivisions throughout the country, with a strong research base. During the Cold War, departmental specialists were involved in solving very interesting problems and coped with it successfully. Where is now GUGK? Became one of the structures in Rosreestra. That is, completely different people are now commanding surveyors in the country. Only nominally many scientific and educational institutions, which trained both surveyors and creators of related equipment, disappeared or remained. The Novosibirsk Institute of Geodesy and Cartography has changed the name and direction of activity, it is now the Siberian University of Geosystems and Technologies. Barely experienced structural adjustment St. Petersburg Higher Military Topographical School, becoming one of the divisions of the Academy. Mozhaisky. If MIIGAiK now disappears or changes its profile, then the situation can no longer be corrected. And the likelihood that the oldest geodesic university, which opened in 1779, shines an un bright future, is very great.

The reason, as it turns out, is the failure to comply with the presidential directive to raise the salary of the faculty to double the average for the year by 2018. The planned increase was scattered over the years, and now the Ministry of Education and Science applies this line to each of the universities. For the past year, 91 was considered to be a thousand rubles for Moscow as the norm, and all the rectors who did not provide such professors with their professors were summoned to the Ministry.

There they were not scolded, they simply confronted the fact: the decisions of the president should be implemented. You cannot do it yourself - we know how to help. No, we will not give extra money, but if you are integrated, merged with other universities, then some teachers can be dismissed, and the rest will be able to receive as much as they should.

Okay, they would give time: they say, think there, with whom you coincide on the profile, how to use the scientific base more efficiently ... No, formally this is the case - no one imposes anything on anyone, every university accepts the decision independently.

Offer from which ...

Here it’s time to go to the office of the President of MIIGAiK, cosmonaut pilot and twice Hero of the Soviet Union Viktor Petrovich Savinykh and ask him to highlight the situation.

- What can be considered today the average professorial salary in Moscow, if not a secret?

- Maximum 60 – 70 thousand rubles, but on average less. This includes the payment of teaching, research activities and work on economic contracts. We are talking about total income.
Kill engineer


- For you, the number 91 thousand was not new?

- Of course not. But in the existing conditions, in honest conduct of business, such an average salary at our university is unrealistic. The previous year was difficult, mainly because the solvency of our potential students decreased. More than two hundred people were enrolled in paid training, and in 2015, only 70 was received. Plus, by order from above, we selected two specialties that students who were engaged in on a commercial basis eagerly went to — economics and municipal government. To be clear, there is practice: universities pay 65 – 70 percent of the wage fund from the budget, the rest should be collected by themselves. It is from this second component that quite objective problems arose. We failed in income and strongly.

- And what did it lead to?

- At the meeting in the Ministry of Education and Science, our then rector Andrei Maiorov, who was elected to this position by the collective, was offered to write a statement “on his own”. By the way, they did the same with the RHTU Rector Vladimir Kolesnikov. The next day they assigned us and. about. Rector Vasily Malinnikov, who was fired two days later, appointed us a new one and. about., which was Evgeny Butko, doctor of economics, professor, previously worked at the Moscow Engineering University - MAMI.

- Rector seems to be elected ... Is it possible to remove it from above?

- The founder, and here we have the Ministry of Education, is entitled to do so. Simultaneously with these events, another story developed: one Moscow university decided to become a polytechnic university, including a number of other institutions. And it was by a strange coincidence it was MAMI. In the ministry, the idea received support, because it fully fit into the system of university consolidation.

The rector of MAMI Andrei Nikolaenko, a young, energetic and ambitious man, turned to us: they say, join, the ministry does not mind. He promised the golden mountains. By that time, MIHM had already joined MIMA, and the University of Press, and a couple of smaller institutions. We were promised to leave the name of MIIGAiK, but already as an integral part of this university.

- What is the point of uniting such different universities? Chemists, printers, surveyors - they speak different languages.

- Initially, it was the initiative of the ministry - the integration of universities. At one of the meetings, Deputy Minister of Education Alexander Klimov shared: they say that there is a large polytechnic university in St. Petersburg, we would also like to create our own one in Moscow. I ask: “Why? We have “Baumanka”, MAI - full-fledged polytechnic universities ”. But he was not heard.

- How do MIIGAiK employees themselves consider a possible merger?

- Both the academic council and the team meeting were unequivocally opposed to the merger with MAMI. If we are to merge, then in the same block as us, the former Institute of Land Management Engineers, now the State University of Land Management. He, by the way, like MIIGAiK, in 1930, stood out from the Moscow Land Survey Institute. We have common roots, largely coinciding scientific and educational programs. We are told: it is impossible, we belong to different ministries. But this is a completely solvable question. Moreover, the preservation of geodesic science is a state problem, and in no way a narrow departmental one.

- An interesting thing turns out. They do not allow merging with those with whom it seems like God has ordered, but at the same time they forcefully put a completely different direction under the university. What is your role in the future superpolitech?

- They need us as a natural science direction. In fact - the expansion of the range of specialties. Plus our история It will be useful, because such a merger will allow us to say that the new university has existed since 1779. Therefore, the pressure has been going on for almost a year. While we withstand.

- What prevents to remove you from the post, as before the rector, and solve the problem?

- It is impossible to remove, the position is elected, and unlike the rector’s office, under the jurisdiction of the ministry, it is non-decisive.

- It’s also hard to scare a Hero twice ...

- Scare is useless. Today we are the only ones who prepare for the army of surveyors and cartographers. And it turns out that our role in modern conditions, when state geodesic structures are essentially destroyed, becomes almost key. As a result, all the important things that we do, including for defense, may fall victim to someone's ambitions. Solving the tasks of effective management, officials essentially endanger Russia's defense capability.

- But while only persuade?

- When we held a meeting of the labor collective, at which everyone spoke out against the merger with MAMI, an extraordinary inspection commission was sent to us from Rosobrnadzor the next day - a young smart manager with a law degree and with him five people, all from private universities. For three days, the commission found out that everything was bad. From each department gave them a huge pile of documents, but they quickly managed. That is not so decorated, the other is not written in the wrong column. And they left, warning: wait for the order to revoke the licenses in the areas to which the claims are made. This is just municipal government, economy and management. But we have already closed the last two specialties, there will be the last issue. Somehow, we have agreed with the Minister of Education Dmitry Livanov, now we are eliminating the commission’s remarks on the items, including such absurd ones as the requirement to have a certificate to each teacher that he is healthy. The trouble is that with us this year the accreditation for the main specialties - geodesy, cartography ends ... And if they are not renewed, we will not release anyone this year at all. We cannot submit documents for accreditation until we understand the commission’s conclusions.

- Something inappropriate was remembered by raiders, collectors ... How long has MIIGAiK become a problem university?

- We have always been recognized as effective, and not everyone can boast. There is such a criterion as the number of high school graduates working in the specialty. According to the Ministry of Education and Science, we have the highest rate - 93 percent. That is, all our graduates are in demand. For comparison: in most universities, this indicator rarely exceeds 50 percent.

Logic of larechnikov


Sad thoughts come when you try to sort out other administrative decisions. In 60, they talked about “physicists” and “lyricists,” that is, techies and creative intelligentsia. Now it's time to divide people into techies and managers. Moreover, if the former may become second in certain circumstances, then the reverse movement is excluded. In the words of cinema Chapaev: "Education is not enough." The beautiful word “manager” implies that the owner of this specialty does not know how to do anything with his own hands, but he has mastered the science of control. Probably, there is nothing wrong with this, if you do not take into account that, more often than not, management has short-term interests.

“Effective Manager” and “Successful Manager” - without irony, the people necessary and useful for the country. The only problem is that the psychology of many of them comes from the 90s, when the acquisition of the second tent "on the district" became a doubling of the business, and the idea of ​​making one of them lower than the price of beer, and in the other cigarettes was the height of economic savvy . Then the clerks got to the enterprises, having sold the equipment they had acquired for free and turning the workshops into warehouses and office centers. The logic is clear: profits should appear immediately, and everything that does not bring it, multiply by zero.

Having passed the stalls and workshops, the restless tribe of successful managers was also mastered by the state administration. But the slogan "Profit here and now" remained for them the most relevant. Only techies interfere and strongly - lead some incomprehensible calculations, talk about long-term prospects. And next to them is a successful manager, who terribly loves the saying, “If you are so clever, then why are you so poor?”, Suddenly begins to feel inferior. Techies do not fit into his value system, they are guided by concepts like “prestige of the country”, which cannot be monetized. And if this fraternity of eggheads should not be wiped out at the root, then at least to make it shut up, life will become much easier.

It is clear that tactically managers are much more viable - for their work they do not need the most complex machines, precision instruments and high-speed computers. But if suddenly all of our “effective ones” fly away to the Canaries at once, life in Russia will not stop. But if there are no techies ...
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  1. Sunseich
    Sunseich April 13 2016 18: 25
    +37
    this trouble is completely clear!
    and bigger trouble is on the way: not only was there nobody to teach, they began to accept everyone who simply wants to go to pedagogy! all entrance exams are canceled!
    I wrap around the third day, and pulls me to write a scandalous article in the regional newspaper ... Before that, our pedagogy stood in a knee-elbow position, and now it will lie down!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 13 2016 18: 36
      -20%
      Hm ... Why is this so terrible? All rush into pedagogy?

      In general, all these "entrance exams" are essentially big game. Designed to exclusively limit the number of applicants.
      1. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly April 13 2016 18: 50
        +27
        What time? Well, let's take everyone without exams. The first 100 boobies who did not know the multiplication table came first and we will study them. In a month we’ll expel. And already there’s no one to teach. And let the literate ones joke far away because they were not the first to come.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 13 2016 18: 56
          +2
          Quote: vkfriendly
          The first 100 boobies who did not know the multiplication table came first and we will study them.

          Do you think that all these "exams" allow you not to teach boobies the multiplication table? If...
          Or is the problem that some "collective farmers will run away"? We do not have universal, equal secondary education. The level of preparation of school graduates depends not only on their intelligence, but also on the wallet of their parents. And these "entrance exams" often put obstacles in the way of any social elevators
          1. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly April 13 2016 19: 01
            +5
            But the exams are still eliminated, not at all adequate. And they take everyone to colleges without exams because these are former vocational schools. Only the name was changed.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 13 2016 19: 12
              +13
              Quote: vkfriendly
              But the exams are still eliminated, not at all adequate.

              For example, a schoolboy from a village, with a drunken dad, tortured by the work of a mother, a bunch of cattle in a stable and a garden. Not only will he not be given money for preparatory courses or tutors, he will not have time to learn what is taught at school.
              And here he is just the very "inadequate", from which our education is protected by various kinds of entrance tests.

              In real life, the "inadequate" must be removed during the first and second sessions, this is enough for the eyes. And not only as now, but also from paid places.

              Why, in general, this topic bothers me - during my service, there were many people with a high intellectual level, a "quick" mind, observation, but at the same time a low level of education among the subordinate-conscripts. Before which society actually built a concrete wall on the way up.
              1. Yura
                Yura April 13 2016 19: 44
                +6
                "Lopatov", I agree with you, I am already a very adult - that would not say old or old and have seen enough guys and girls worthy of the road better than the one that they got, I'm talking about that very wall.
              2. marshes
                marshes April 13 2016 19: 46
                +7
                Quote: Spade
                For example, a schoolboy from a village, with a drunken dad, tortured by the work of a mother, a bunch of cattle in a stable and a garden.

                This is honestly surprising if the owner drinks about what kind of cattle in the crib you can talk.
                He himself traveled to Mari El in the mid-90s, there is a solid lower part of the hip joints. The guy from despair, a solution of carbofoss, colorado poison, drank.
                Quote: Spade
                Why, in general, this topic bothers me - during my service, there were many people with a high intellectual level, a "quick" mind, observation, but at the same time a low level of education among the subordinate-conscripts. Before which society actually built a concrete wall on the way up.

                But such people served me, though in our system units found a way.
              3. Black Colonel
                Black Colonel April 13 2016 20: 57
                +5
                Drunken daddies hang out more in cities because of a lot of time and money.
              4. Ajevgenij
                Ajevgenij April 13 2016 21: 20
                +2
                I completely agree with this idea.
              5. ARES623
                ARES623 April 14 2016 07: 35
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                For example, a schoolboy from a village, with a drunken dad, tortured by the work of a mother, a bunch of cattle in a stable and a garden

                So you yourself answered your question. And why should this student be interested in someone more than parents and himself?
              6. LVMI1980
                LVMI1980 April 14 2016 09: 08
                +3
                The biggest boobies in capitals (large cities). from the outback are more talented
                By the way, this is the approach of the former LITMO
              7. Corsair
                Corsair April 14 2016 09: 37
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                For example, a schoolboy from a village, with a drunken dad, tortured by the work of a mother, a bunch of cattle in a stable and a garden. Not only will he not be given money for preparatory courses or tutors, he will not have time to learn what is taught at school.

                what an example is not entirely logical, often it is a schoolchild from a village who can become the most adequate and good teacher, because there is a desire and desire to get out of the situation in which he lives. And city people often leave school with claims and many go to universities only for the "blue or red crust", but they will obviously not work in their specialty - just the same 50-60%.
              8. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky April 14 2016 10: 33
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                subordinate-conscripts were many people with a high intellectual level, "quick" mind, observation, but at the same time a low level of education. Before which society actually built a concrete wall on the way up.

                This leads to the conclusion that it is necessary to return to the Soviet system of education, which, incidentally, was copied by Finland in due time. Now our bureaucrats from education admire the Finnish system.
                In general, the state of the current education system can be qualified as a systematic and long-term diversion to eliminate the scientific potential of Russia.
            2. Nick
              Nick April 13 2016 19: 26
              +17
              Quote: vkfriendly
              But the exams are still eliminated, not at all adequate. And in colleges they take everyone without exams because these are former vocational schools

              I do not agree with you. Colleges are former technical schools. Rather, they can be attributed to incomplete higher education. In Soviet technical schools, the level of teaching special subjects was often no worse than in universities. Vocational schools or earlier Vocational schools trained for working specialties, and, as a rule, they graduated specialists in secondary professions of 3-4 level.
          2. ARES623
            ARES623 April 14 2016 07: 32
            0
            Quote: Spade
            We do not have universal, equal secondary education. The level of preparation of school graduates depends not only on their intelligence, but also on the wallet of their parents. And these "entrance exams" often put obstacles in the way of any social elevators

            Excuses for the lazy. If there is no outright sabotage in the local department of education and the school is staffed by 85-90% of the teaching staff, then it is capable of producing quite decent applicants. And instead of a fat wallet, parents need more attentiveness and participation in the life and study of their child throughout his childhood. And you will be satisfied with what you have done. If you want to give more, you can add "triplets" for some additional educational interest, because we find it on a drink. 16 liters of alcohol per capita! Let's drink 10, here's some free money. And how much smoke? A pack of cigarettes 80-100 rubles, 2-4 thousand per month, here's a resource for you. Obstacles in the way of social elevators are set primarily by the parents themselves, who are beginning to think about career guidance for their child for his thirtieth birthday ...
        2. VP
          VP April 14 2016 05: 38
          0
          Why should a nanny know Newton’s binom?
          So you can say what is the Fourier series? Why should a nanny know this?
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 14 2016 08: 18
            0
            Quote: VP
            Why should a nanny know Newton’s binom?
            So you can say what is the Fourier series? Why should a nanny know this?

            In the qualification guide, and now in the professional standard, there are no such requirements for the specialty of the nanny. Why the question? But the basics of pedagogy and child psychology will not hinder her. In addition to higher mathematics, there are many disciplines demanded by life.
          2. sherp2015
            sherp2015 April 14 2016 10: 02
            +1
            Quote: VP
            Why should a nanny know Newton’s binom?
            So you can say what is the Fourier series? Why should a nanny know this?


            Yes, to be honest, this same Newton binom for the most part will not come in handy for you, just like the Fourier series.
            But the sopromat did not stop many even simple tractor operators ...
        3. ARES623
          ARES623 April 14 2016 07: 15
          +1
          Quote: vkfriendly
          The first 100 boobies who did not know the multiplication table came first and we will study them. In a month we’ll expel. And already there’s no one to teach.

          Take 200, 300, 500. Only do not sell semester grades, and by the end of the 1st course you will have those that are capable of learning.
      2. Constructor1
        Constructor1 April 13 2016 20: 13
        +18
        But if all of our “effective ours” suddenly fly to the Canaries, life in Russia will not stop. But if there are no techies ...

        and turners, we have 15 retirees out of 14 machinists.
        When the “effective ours” understand that without techies there is nothing to sell, it will be too late.
        And on TV, who are they showing us now? is there at least one new movie about some kind of milling machine operator? NOT! bankers alone and managers ..
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 30
          +1
          Quote: Designer 1
          And on TV, who are they showing us now? is there at least one new movie about some kind of milling machine operator? NOT! bankers alone and managers ..



          I understand your pain and concern, however ... A film about a milling machine operator ... Who will watch it ???

          I immediately remembered a two-part film of the 60s, when at some plant two episodes, without leaving the office of the party committee, there was a meeting with the agenda - how to increase the productivity of the plant ...

          And what ... They looked ... He lived then in the village ... They watched what they gave, they brought according to the order ...

          And about the cops-heroes and "crying" (sometimes) bankers-lovers - the very thing ...
          The next day neighbors even discuss these films at the entrance ... recourse laughing
          1. marshes
            marshes April 13 2016 21: 42
            +3
            Quote: weksha50
            I understand your pain and concern, however ... A film about a milling machine operator ... Who will watch it ???

            In the style of "The Walking Dead" or "Breaking Bad", about the blue met. Will be watchable. laughing
            By the way, the other day, at the honored UCH of the Russian Federation, they found Nark Lab at the dacha, and he saw Jesse Pickman there. laughing
          2. Constructor1
            Constructor1 April 14 2016 08: 13
            +1
            Quote: weksha50
            I understand your pain and concern, however ... A film about a milling machine operator ... Who will watch it ???
            And do not take my words so literally))
            And what does the pain have to do with it? or who will watch? This is advertising "promotion" - "co-cakers" - managers, not working specialties and achievements!

            And at the expense of watching - the film "Moscow does not believe in tears" - how old is he? and many people still look with pleasure .. where from machine tool adjuster to plant director.
            Everything is relative))
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 April 14 2016 09: 33
              0
              Quote: Designer 1
              And at the expense of watching - the film "Moscow does not believe in tears" - how old is he? and to this day many people are looking at it with pleasure .. where from machine tool adjuster to plant director.


              Such a masterpiece cannot be created by modern filmmakers ...
              1. Constructor1
                Constructor1 April 14 2016 13: 47
                0
                Quote: weksha50
                Such a masterpiece cannot be created by modern filmmakers ...

                Yes, but no one is trying to do something like that.
        2. Severok
          Severok April 13 2016 22: 38
          +2
          Forgot about the cops, collectors, defectives, scouts, judges right as much as the highest standard ....
          "By solving the tasks of effective management, officials essentially endanger the defense capability of Russia." (C)
          Solving the problems of channel popularity, TV people root out the concepts of morality, creation and creativity.
        3. mishaia_23
          mishaia_23 April 14 2016 11: 56
          0
          there is a series "Our Rusha" about the miller Dolin with ...
      3. Drmadfisher
        Drmadfisher April 14 2016 04: 11
        0
        you yourself are a game ..........
    2. 13 warrior
      13 warrior April 13 2016 18: 41
      +1
      But there are many lawyers and financiers
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim April 13 2016 18: 43
        0
        Quote: 13 warrior
        But

        Comrades, infa is not a topic nooooo: In Germany, began to issue consumer loans with a negative interest rate
        http://finobzor.ru/show-10545-v-germanii-nachali-vydavat-potrebitelskie-kredity-
        s-otricatelnoy-procentn.html
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 13 2016 18: 48
          +6
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Quote: 13 warrior
          But

          Comrades, infa is not a topic nooooo: In Germany, began to issue consumer loans with a negative interest rate
          http://finobzor.ru/show-10545-v-germanii-nachali-vydavat-potrebitelskie-kredity-

          s-otricatelnoy-procentn.html

          In the same topic: In Germany, the external debt of 5 million dollars. Against 717 billion in our country. I am so happy for them.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah April 13 2016 20: 11
          +5
          In Germany, began to issue consumer loans with a negative interest rate


          Loans are not money. Try to get a consumer flywheel. This means very difficult events in the global economy. The processes are very complicated, and resemble those that occur in an overpopulated aquarium, where fish lack oxygen. By the way, it will be interesting to see. In Switzerland, this practice did not lead to anything.
          1. Kunar
            Kunar April 14 2016 12: 37
            0
            Plus, for deposits in banks do not accrue interest ... They climb into the wallet to the burghers))))
          2. Kunar
            Kunar April 14 2016 12: 38
            0
            Listen to Khazin. In something he is right ...
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 31
          +5
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Comrades, infa is not a topic nooooo: In Germany, began to issue consumer loans with a negative interest rate



          Infa - to the wrong address ... This is to the censor, by morning half of Ukraine will destroy all borders ...
      2. WERSTA.
        WERSTA. April 13 2016 18: 57
        +10
        We do not have enough good specialists everywhere. Including lawyers, despite their large number. It is very difficult to find a decent, knowledgeable person. There are many law firms "Horns and Hooves". But it is almost impossible to find a qualified one. They will be allowed to go naked to Africa, but they will not win the case.
      3. gergi
        gergi April 13 2016 19: 07
        +15
        Have you already forgotten how in 41 you were left without cards? And what it led to! Spawned a managerial scum half the country, no one to work. Let’s get geodesy now.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 13 2016 19: 37
          +2
          Quote: gergi
          Have you already forgotten how in 41 you were left without cards? And what it led to! Spawned a managerial scum half the country, no one to work. Let’s get geodesy now.

          And what, only Moscow Universities can produce qualified personnel? In other regions, collective farmers and institutions are not serious? I love this logic.
          1. gergi
            gergi April 13 2016 20: 27
            +4
            Well, of course, it would be logical to close all Moscow universities, and shoot Muscovites. Where did the firewood come from? Where about other universities? Where about contempt for collective farmers, as you deigned to put it? It’s like you hung labels and placed them on varieties. You can see right away what logic you like. According to this logic, they live in Ukraine.
          2. gunya
            gunya April 13 2016 20: 42
            +4
            Muvka RU

            And what, only Moscow Universities can produce qualified personnel?


            Read the article again, we are talking about the oldest universities that are liquidated.
          3. user
            user April 13 2016 21: 17
            +3
            The Novosibirsk Institute of Geodesy and Cartography has changed its name and direction of activity; now it is the Siberian University of Geosystems and Technologies.


            Interestingly, what is the other direction? By type of activity, I have a good idea of ​​what is happening there. For example, SSUGiT holds annually the international conference “Remote sensing methods of the Earth and photogrammetry, environmental monitoring, geoecology”. Moscow tried to hold this kind of conference and was not pulled away, and people come to Novosibirsk from Kamchatka to the Urals, a lot of bourgeois come. Moreover, it turns out that no one else conducts such kind and such a profile of events in the Russian Federation, this applies to MIIGAiK’s special exceptionalism.
            This is what I argue by ear, just this article is written for people who have little idea what is happening in such structures and highlight the level of salaries of professors and the merits of the current leaders of the university.

            - Maximum 60 – 70 thousand rubles, but on average less. This includes the payment of teaching, research activities and work on economic contracts. We are talking about total income.


            But in the presidential decree, to dismiss the rector and reorganize MIIGAiK, one of the reasons was indicated - this is the average salary at the university of 14 (fourteen thousand) rubles for teachers, the lowest among universities.
            So this is one of the ways to arouse public opinion and no more, probably no other methods were found against the EP.
          4. weksha50
            weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 36
            +2
            Quote: Muvka
            And what, only Moscow Universities can produce qualified personnel? In other regions, collective farmers and institutions are not serious?



            The article says not only about Moscow universities ...

            It talks about how successfully and efficiently modern managers destroy the remnants of Soviet geodesy and cartography throughout the country ...

            And there have never been a lot of geodetic and cartographic universities ... And so they finish ...

            An example is also given by the author on defense: they practically gobbled up the only Leningrad military topographic school ...
        2. demo
          demo April 13 2016 21: 02
          +2
          In the 41st there were cards. The truth is not those territories. We were going to fight on a stranger.
          We open newspaper editorials of those years and look.
          For the idea that it would be necessary to fight on its territory (and maps are necessary for this), it was possible to please 10-15.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 13 2016 21: 50
            +1
            Cards still need to be able to "read".
          2. gergi
            gergi April 13 2016 22: 47
            +2
            Map of the wrong territories? But what the hell is needed when you need one! Where can I go on it? Is it the same as having a complete absence? Surveyors with cartographers were pushed into the infantry, then one by one they were searched for who had not died! Again on a rake with a song?
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 14 2016 11: 02
          0
          Quote: gergi
          Have you already forgotten how in 41 you were left without cards? And what it led to! Spawned a managerial scum half the country, no one to work. Let’s get geodesy now.

          In the Komi Republic, forest managers worked for the last time in 1984. We smashed the forest into quarters. Everything is decorous - columns with numbers, glades. On those old maps, there is a detailed description of the forest, indicating berries, swamps, rivers. The composition of the forest is aspen, birch, spruce, etc. In short, colossal work has been done in the field. The beauty. These quarters are also included in the new maps for tourists, but that's a bad luck - the columns have already fallen, the glades are overgrown, the displacements of the quarters are not indicated, and those roads, 30 years ago, have long been overgrown with forest. Parts of the settlements indicated on the maps are no longer there, from the word-in general. A tourist with such "new" maps can stick to the full program and Ivan Susanin is not necessary.
          Along the way, taking into account the realities described in the article, prospects for improvement are not expected.
          1. Kunar
            Kunar April 14 2016 12: 44
            0
            The maps themselves are half the trouble. In the end, there are satellites. But legends, heights, toponymy ... This will not be done by the satellites. You need legs here ... And head, preferably not stupid.
      4. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera April 13 2016 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: 13 warrior
        But there are many lawyers and financiers

        Yeah. Another good idea from them! Judging by the number of financiers, we should not have a crisis in the country for the next 100 years. True, they cannot answer who wrote Marx's Capital, but this is not the main thing. The main thing is that you have a diploma! And the rectors' salaries are good
      5. gunya
        gunya April 13 2016 20: 37
        +3
        For some reason, only lawyers rarely go to law enforcement agencies, and from the work of financiers, their hair stands on end. An example of which is a laid out article.
    3. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly April 13 2016 18: 55
      0
      Colleges are essentially former vocational schools. They always took there without exams. We had a mining technical school, now they restructured and became a college too. Teach on a carrier, welded, sellers.
    4. Ermak
      Ermak April 13 2016 18: 57
      -3
      There is not quite a topic in the news:
      Russian Su-24 scared sailors from the American destroyer

      The Pentagon announced several flights of attack aircraft near the ship USS Donald Cook.

      Last night, the Russian Su-24 attack aircraft in the Baltic Sea flew twice at "extremely close" distance next to the Donald Cook, an American destroyer with guided missile weapons, which greatly disturbed US sailors. All this happened in neutral waters. It is reported by CNN.
      As emphasized, the Russian attack aircraft did not have weapons, however, according to the assurance of the American sailors, they moved, simulating an attack on the ship.

      As the channel notes, there was another span. It was committed last Sunday, April 11, but then the Su-24 proceeded not so close with the ship.

      A CNN source in official structures suggested that these flights were "a message to Poland." The fact is that there was a Polish military helicopter on board an American destroyer during the Su-24. In one of the incidents, a ground attack aircraft flew alongside him while he was in the air.

      Now the Pentagon is deciding on the publication of materials confirming all this information.

      It is worth noting that in 2014 the same incident was reported with the Su-24 and Donald Cook.


      http://lifenews.ru/news/196735
      1. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly April 13 2016 19: 04
        +2
        Well, they already have experience, sycotically ...
      2. vsoltan
        vsoltan April 13 2016 20: 45
        +1
        Normal Russian humor. .. :-)
      3. Ermak
        Ermak April 14 2016 06: 01
        0
        Quote: Ermak
        There is not quite a topic in the news:
        Russian Su-24 scared sailors from the American destroyer

        The Pentagon announced several flights of attack aircraft near the ship USS Donald Cook.

        Last night, the Russian Su-24 attack aircraft in the Baltic Sea flew twice at "extremely close" distance next to the Donald Cook, an American destroyer with guided missile weapons, which greatly disturbed US sailors. All this happened in neutral waters. It is reported by CNN.
        As emphasized, the Russian attack aircraft did not have weapons, however, according to the assurance of the American sailors, they moved, simulating an attack on the ship.

        As the channel notes, there was another span. It was committed last Sunday, April 11, but then the Su-24 proceeded not so close with the ship.

        A CNN source in official structures suggested that these flights were "a message to Poland." The fact is that there was a Polish military helicopter on board an American destroyer during the Su-24. In one of the incidents, a ground attack aircraft flew alongside him while he was in the air.

        Now the Pentagon is deciding on the publication of materials confirming all this information.

        It is worth noting that in 2014 the same incident was reported with the Su-24 and Donald Cook.


        http://lifenews.ru/news/196735



        And what about the minusers did not like the news.

        video on RT
        https://russian.rt.com/article/158601


        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 14 2016 09: 40
          0
          Personally, I don't like the way the media portrays it and what wild-pissing delight the commentators get over it. A typical demonstration flight of an aircraft next to a destroyer in neutral waters. The Americans even managed to take a picture of him. There is nothing of the sort in this. They also periodically arrange such demonstrations of power for our sailors and pilots. In Soviet times, such trolling of each other was regular. And then suddenly "the sailors got scared" on you, "ours bent them", etc. Well, nonsense.
    5. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS April 13 2016 21: 02
      +3
      Logic of larechnikov- this heading can indicate all internal events in the country, alas! The author found the most accurate name for the current "national idea"
      Everything else is just a derivative of this constant.
    6. VP
      VP April 14 2016 05: 36
      0
      And what ?
      Judging because the GIA is mentioned but the USE is not mentioned, this is some kind of sharashka to which they gain after the 9th grade.
      Those. what used to be called vocational schools. Not even a technical school - there is necessarily a complete secondary.
      What did you see the problem?
      Do you think in kindergartens nurses and teachers are recruited after Harvard or what?
      Are you deliberately doing stuffing or "not understanding"?
    7. ARES623
      ARES623 April 14 2016 07: 11
      0
      Quote: SanSeich
      this trouble is completely clear!
      and the trouble is bigger on the way: not only is there no one to teach, they began to accept everyone who just wants to go to pedagogy! all entrance exams are canceled!
      I wrap around the third day, and pulls me to write a scandalous article in the regional newspaper ... Before that, our pedagogy stood in a knee-elbow position, and now it will lie down!

      The Sorbonne is also accepted without exams, not counting the requirements for knowledge of the language of instruction, and this makes the university no less prestigious and successful. There is simply a requirement for current academic performance, and if you do not pull yourself, then no one will pull you by the ears, kicked out in three counts. The lack of entry exams does not determine the quality of the exit. But with the "exit" and work in the specialty after leaving, we have problems.
    8. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 14 2016 08: 25
      0
      It’s not to write to the newspaper, it’s time for the president to ask such questions, since this is a very serious question. And these little shustriks with lawyers bought, it’s high time to forehead against the wall.
    9. sherp2015
      sherp2015 April 14 2016 09: 54
      0
      Quote: SanSeich
      this trouble is completely clear!
      and the trouble is bigger on the way: not only is there no one to teach, they began to accept everyone who just wants to go to pedagogy! all entrance exams are canceled!
      I wrap around the third day, and pulls me to write a scandalous article in the regional newspaper ... Before that, our pedagogy stood in a knee-elbow position, and now it will lie down!

      Why are there surveyors!
      Education is generally being killed, what Livanov is doing and who he really is is not clear.
      What about healthcare? and other departments? What kind of courts we have and the bailiff service, a simple person without the money will not achieve the truth. And the work of the police leaves much to be desired.
      In general, the mechanism of the Soviet control system was successfully broken, but they cannot start a new one.
      And do not sing songs about the fact that we are building new enterprises - this is all a drop in the bucket.
      In general, it was necessary to take all the best from the USSR and tsarist Russia (to leave the bad in the past) and build a normal state in which not only oligarchs, capitalists, deputies and officials will live well, law enforcement officers, but the whole simple people
  2. Alf
    Alf April 13 2016 18: 30
    +13
    But if you do not become techies ..

    Yes, there will be nothing wrong (sarcasm). If Kudrin is already invited back to work, then everything falls into place. There will be no change of course, liberalization of the economy and its integration into the world will continue. And, therefore, it will be possible to buy everything. Why then techies?
    P.S. Where are you, Lavrenty Palych ...
  3. marshes
    marshes April 13 2016 18: 34
    +4
    In Kazakhstan, at least not bad geodesists are being trained. LOZA will not let you lie smile
    Yes, I had a second education with landmarks and levels, theodalite, to run. smile
    So if that science will live.
    1. mishaia_23
      mishaia_23 April 13 2016 19: 24
      +9
      Graduate of the Institute MIIGAiK, SSUGiT ...
      or a technical school where they prepare for surveyors, topographers, cartographers or photogrammetrists, mine surveyors, land surveyors ...
      I have to work for a couple of years, forget the theory and learn production, stay in the profession, which not everyone can do.
      And only then we can say we got a real surveyor, whether it be a fieldman or a cameraman ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 13 2016 19: 29
        +11
        ABOUT...
        And this is another huge problem. Universities do not teach what is needed in real life. And this is everywhere in the "tech" sphere. But the offended representatives of higher education prefer to keep quiet about this.
      2. marshes
        marshes April 13 2016 19: 48
        0
        Quote: mishaia_23
        Graduate of the Institute MIIGAiK, SSUGiT ...
        or a technical school where they prepare for surveyors, topographers, cartographers or photogrammetrists, mine surveyors, land surveyors ...

        So ours study there, offensive units.
  4. gg.na
    gg.na April 13 2016 18: 36
    +4
    Quote: SanSeich
    Before that, our pedagogy was in a knee-elbow position, and now it will lie down!

    If this announcement is not fake, then I'm in ah ... oh repeat damn in trance belay fell short yes !
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich April 13 2016 19: 16
      +8
      Not a fake. In the country, the policy is such that if something does not bring quick profit, then it is not necessary. Idiots are the main resource of capitalism. But on TV, everything is beautiful with us, and Malakhov and Guzeeva are ahead of the rest.
      1. gg.na
        gg.na April 13 2016 19: 49
        0
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        and Malakhov with Guzeeva ahead of the rest.

        belay oooh ooohhh belay fee-and-and-igeeet belay pancake!!! what
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 47
        +1
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Not a fake. In a country, politics is such


        I look, no one remembered last year’s information ...

        In Russia, "a landing party" of US teachers has landed, who will be engaged in the "retraining" of our Russian teachers of secondary schools ...

        Then these teachers will undergo recertification, and if they do not meet the standards of this "landing", they will be "lustrated", that is, they will not be allowed to further teaching work ...

        In my opinion, either in the Voronezh region or in the Lipetsk region this heinous affair has become a pioneer project ...

        So again I have to sigh that there is neither Joseph Vissarionovich, nor Lavrenty Pavlovich ...
        1. von_Tilsit
          von_Tilsit April 13 2016 22: 45
          +5
          My friend, what are you talking about ?? What, to Leshem, are the landings ?? What are the pedagogues ?? Yes, we ourselves have such SPECIALISTS sitting in the Ministry of Education - you’ll sway! I am a class teacher in grade 9, a teacher of history and social studies. Do you know what paper class reporting I have? Every quarter has to write kilometers of reports. There is simply no time left to TEACH the kids at least something. Opera Theater - but I'm not iron! I myself have a one-year-old daughter and a son of 11 years old, and I really only see them on the weekend. We are literally strangled with paper-paper-paper-paper. No time is left for anything. And you say - they say, they will destroy our education! YES YOU WILL RISE YOURSELF !!!
        2. gg.na
          gg.na April 14 2016 08: 59
          0
          Quote: weksha50
          I look, no one remembered last year’s information ...

          In Russia, "a landing party" of US teachers has landed, who will be engaged in the "retraining" of our Russian teachers of secondary schools ...

          I’ve just now found out about this that you wrote here! Not what read about this "landing" request never! belay
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 April 14 2016 09: 37
            0
            Quote: gg.na
            I've just now learned about what you wrote here! I have never read about this "landing"!



            Hmm ... Browse even the VO archives ... There were a couple of powerful articles about this ...
    2. Sunseich
      Sunseich April 13 2016 21: 37
      0
      not, I personally took a picture in the Lyceum, where my children study and where I conduct a study group on the basics of electronics. They told me about this 2 months ago, I did not believe ... And today I came across my eyes. Wrap around
  5. tol100v
    tol100v April 13 2016 18: 37
    +9
    So the chain of the collapse of Russian science was built. On the one hand - the exam, on the other hand, the funeral of applied (defense)! For such things and shooting a little!
    1. kotvov
      kotvov April 13 2016 18: 42
      +5
      For such things and shooting a little! ,,
      down, we are not 37 years old. we are happy with our government. We don’t have to rock the boat.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 13 2016 18: 39
    0
    "The situation that has developed in many Moscow universities raises concerns that several more years will pass and there will simply be no one to train specialists in technical specialties."
    Dear, and for 20 years, hirelings what are they doing? They work out the bread.
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov April 13 2016 18: 47
    +6
    Preparation of a surveyor in Moscow ... Somehow I imagine this very poorly ...
    We, for example, had no geodetic accuracy at all. But at the same time, at least a third of the classes of the Department of Topography and Artillery Intelligence were conducted "in the fields."
    1. Alf
      Alf April 13 2016 19: 04
      +5
      Quote: Spade
      Preparation of a surveyor in Moscow ... Somehow I imagine this very poorly ...

      On an electronic simulator. True, then they will be surprised when these "trained" ones will be "in the field" like meerkats.
      Although, why is it necessary now? There is the same PSI pressed the button and everything is in order. angry
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 13 2016 19: 22
        +5
        The picture is good. Company commander. "B..t, according to the map there should be a well. Meeting the surveyor on vacation, I'll strangle him." 8)))
        I remember the maps of "Ichkeria" 99 years old, with "corrections" in crimson ... Quiet horror.

        ZhPS without geodesy will not help much either.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina April 13 2016 20: 57
        +2
        For alpha. Once on the radio I heard news about Germany. The German traveled by GP to the destination, Looks, the street has already become, but he, like a true Aryan believes Zhdi-PS and goes forward according to the directions of the navigator. When the walls of the houses began to break the mirrors of his car, the German stopped and thought ... In short, the fire brigade rescued him from the car. (They have no Ministry of Emergency Situations).
        P.S. I didn’t come up with it, the radio personally said.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 13 2016 21: 04
          -1
          Quote: sabakina
          P.S. I didn’t come up with it, the radio personally said.

          I use HP Esom every day, a Chinese tablet, 4 LTE, a navigator. But Glonass, it’s definitely going to lead outside that steppe. smile
          1. cyber
            cyber April 14 2016 06: 48
            0
            What does Glonass or GPS have to do with it? It all depends on maps and navigation software. But with such an approach as in this article, the ambulance of its cartographers will not remain in the country, and with them high-quality maps.
            I will say more, Russia does not have its own world-class cartographic software, we mainly use the enemy ... in the sense of "partner".
            State projects in the field of cartography as a whole drank and do not pull on the fundamental in any way.
          2. cyber
            cyber April 14 2016 06: 48
            0
            What does Glonass or GPS have to do with it? It all depends on maps and navigation software. But with such an approach as in this article, the ambulance of its cartographers will not remain in the country, and with them high-quality maps.
            I will say more, Russia does not have its own world-class cartographic software, we mainly use the enemy ... in the sense of "partner".
            State projects in the field of cartography as a whole drank and do not pull on the fundamental in any way.
          3. Alf
            Alf April 14 2016 20: 44
            0
            Quote: marshes
            I use HP Esom every day, a Chinese tablet, 4 LTE, a navigator. But Glonass, it’s definitely going to lead outside that steppe.

            What is the difference, DPS or Glonass? The Main Road somehow showed the plot. There is a road in it on GPS, but in reality the leader is on the field. They just transmitted the data into space, but forgot to build the road.
    2. your1970
      your1970 April 13 2016 19: 51
      +1
      MIIGAIK and the Moscow Topographic Polytechnic (now the College of Geodesy and Cartography) coped quite decently — summer field practice was quite decent once ..
      I won’t say for now - they haven’t talked for a long time, I need to ask something ...
      1. Verdun
        Verdun April 13 2016 20: 07
        0
        I once spoke with one lady who in some department brings together on a computer the data provided by geodetic expeditions. He says that once in her lower reaches of the Volga, a little before reaching the Caspian delta, a vast lake formed. I was amazed at the result.
  8. 41
    41 April 13 2016 18: 54
    +5
    Okay, preparation, you go to the sites offering jobs to engineers of various profiles - they offer salaries from 15 to 35 tons. rub. the prestige of engineering is nowhere higher. Apparently they are not really needed.
  9. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 13 2016 18: 55
    +8
    As long as Russia is ruled by "effective" managers, the country's intellectual and technical degradation will continue.
    For their goal is to cut down on easy money and topple over the hill so that the stolen goods are not taken away ...
  10. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 April 13 2016 18: 57
    +2
    Come on! Isn’t he killed yet ?! I became old, and, for the best .. crying I will not see the fall, the ongoing nano-systems of higher education! The collapse of the mind in Russia! Glory to God, paternal upbringing (sexual, intellectual, professional) did not affect children ... Quadcopters learned to launch when hunting moose! belay They feel sorry for the "old man", don't fuck your feet on a driven hunt, daddy ... good He resumed the production of jerky elk meat - HAMON-ept ..., many times tastier: wild garlic, dried cranberries, "five peppers", garlic and mustard in grains ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 13 2016 19: 54
      +3
      "and not spit on everything and go to Uryupinsk ???" (c) anecdote
      The second time, you’re already teasing something about smoked perch with dill and garlic, then a moose in a stick ....
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 April 13 2016 20: 57
        +2
        "... The second time you tease something ..."
        Yes, no! For almost two years I have been trying to “soften” my colleagues in statements and comments, by means of culinary masturbation! People should be kind, adequate and deliciously fed ... yesFood makes people kind and smart ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 13 2016 22: 05
          +2
          Food makes people kind and smart ...
          “Yes, then no one would chat, if everyone had a nice house in a pine forest, a lot of bread and butter and no bombing!”

          classic..
          1. von_Tilsit
            von_Tilsit April 13 2016 22: 49
            0
            Wait, I'll guess - "17 Moments of Spring"? The phrase is not Stirlitz, or Muller ??
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 52
      +2
      Quote: ALABAY45
      He resumed the production of jerky elk meat - HAMON-ept ..., many times tastier: wild garlic, dried cranberries, "five peppers", garlic and mustard in grains ..



      Once again I am convinced of your ability not only to convince opponents, but also to give up without a fight ...

      The psychological preparation is awesome ... I'll go closer to the refrigerator ... laughing hi

      PS Damn! I even forgot the topic of controversy ...
  11. drags33
    drags33 April 13 2016 18: 57
    +11
    Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation must be recognized as a criminal organization in court with all the ensuing consequences !!! Another way to avoid the complete defeat of education, and with it the destruction of Russia as a sovereign state no!
    1. Gorodovik
      Gorodovik April 13 2016 19: 10
      +9
      If you do this, then who, excuse me, will teach? The point is not in criminal education, but in the fact that working as an engineer is not profitable. After college, either in the army or for sale. And if you want by profession, then you will not go far for 10000-15000 rubles.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 54
      +1
      Quote: drags33
      Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation it must be recognized in court as a criminal organization with all the ensuing consequences !!!



      Um ... Why beat the sparrows from a gun ??? negative
  12. cedar
    cedar April 13 2016 19: 00
    +5
    Killing an engineer means killing the Russian economy. This is precisely the goal pursued by the economic killers of the West. Subversion and sabotage have become the daily routine of "our" ministries, which since the defeat in the Cold War have been completely under the external control of the Anglo-Saxons!

    Invaders and killers of Russia from the "field of consulting and audit ..!
    "
    Banks, ministries and departments
    Central Bank - Auditor, PricewaterhouseCoopers Audit (PwC). Risk Management System Developer - Oliver Wyman
    Ministry of Finance - KPMG, Deloitte
    Minstroy - Involved CJSC Deloitte & Touche CIS, PricewaterhouseCooper Russia B.V., PricewaterhouseCooper Audit, PricewaterhouseCoop Consulting and KPMG CJSC (1)
    Ministry of Transport - PriceWaterhouseCoopers (2)
    Ministry of Economic Development - KPMG (3), Deloitte
    Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia - PriceWaterhouseCoopers (4), Deloitte

    Federal Property Management Agency
    Ministry of Education and Science - PriceWaterhouseCoopers (5)PwC

    FAS, Rosfinnadzor - Deloitte
    MinSport - KPMG, PriceWaterhouseCoopers
    Ministry of Natural Resources, Ministry of Communications - Ernst & Young

    PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC, pronounced PricewaterhouseCoopers) is an international network of companies offering professional consulting and audit services. PricewaterhouseCoopers refers to companies within the global network of PricewaterhouseCoopers International Limited, each of which is a separate legal entity. The company has existed for over 160 years and is part of the so-called big four audit companies. Network Headquarters - in London [2].
    The rest of the "auditors" are from the same snake viper!
    See the root!
    1. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 April 13 2016 20: 11
      +2
      The news about these audit firms is not new and has already been thrown into my memory. True, why it is in this topic is not clear. An audit is, in this case, a check of financial statements in order to establish their reliability. How audit firms are connected and the collapse in the heads of officials from education (instead of a head they have, by the way, in my humble opinion, an ass) is a mystery covered with the dust of centuries. I don't like this "audit" either, but it has nothing to do with the topic under discussion
    2. boris117
      boris117 April 13 2016 23: 36
      +1
      Here is a concrete answer who destroys our education and science. If it’s possible, I put a hundred pluses to the author.
  13. 1536
    1536 April 13 2016 19: 04
    +5
    All this is nothing more than a mediocre government policy. These ministers-poets and prose writers deliberately destroy what has defined and defines the face of Russian industry and science. They are still afraid of ruining our most famous universities, but this is not far off. Nobody "needs" heavy rockets, geodesy, automobile construction, etc. Soon planes, ships will not be needed, and the tanks are just already filled with ascomin. But we need an Open Government and other vegetable gardens with carrots and cabbage.
  14. sw6513
    sw6513 April 13 2016 19: 06
    +9
    Our factory in the city used to be of all-Union significance (connected with space) —that's the last old hardened pensioners are working on — for many in their 60s, nobody is going to replace the pros .. It’s sweeter to see the life of a banker manager and lawyer (we have each resident one at a time .. Youth does not entail machine tools and everything connected with factories. It is very sad to watch the last breathing workshops die, but this is probably already irreversible ..
    1. Gorodovik
      Gorodovik April 13 2016 19: 18
      +11
      Young people do not go to production because with this money you will not buy a good house and you will not raise children in good conditions. You know, it’s one thing when people don’t want to work and another when they don’t want to work for beggarly pay
  15. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 13 2016 19: 22
    +3
    When we held a meeting of the labor collective, at which everyone spoke out against the merger with MAMI (which the Ministry of Education and Science insists on), the next day an extraordinary commission was sent to us from Rosobrnadzor with an audit - a young nimble manager with a legal education and five people with him, all of private universities. For three days, the commission found out that everything was bad with us.

    It is no longer possible to evaluate the reforming market actions of the "effective managers" of the Ministry of Education and Science using normal vocabulary, only mat is left! Is there really no one who would stop these "figures" until the process acquired an irreversible character and the Ministry of Education and Science finally turned into the Ministry of Education and Science?
    1. Verdun
      Verdun April 13 2016 19: 57
      0
      What for? Less educated people are easier to manage.
  16. guzik007
    guzik007 April 13 2016 19: 30
    0
    What a nagging !!! Putin knows better where to lead the country and who to rule! In any case, I hear it every day on the debilitator. And all sorts of deputies from Kursk, women, truth-lovers, immediately to trial, without even depriving the parliamentary immunity! so her infection For violated the holy rule of the Great Game. Steal-steal, but do not dare to criticize!
  17. vobels
    vobels April 13 2016 19: 35
    +13
    ".. Only techies interfere and strongly - they give some incomprehensible calculations, talk about long-term prospects. And next to them is a successful manager who terribly loves the saying" If you are so smart, why are you so poor? ", .." A phrase taken from life. Anyone who is an engineer knows and has more than once encountered such "successful managers" who are ruining our production. Himself "fought" with these managers, who believe that if you collect 9 pregnant women, the gestation period will be reduced to 1 month.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: vobels
      Himself "fought" with these managers, who believe that if you collect 9 pregnant women, the gestation period will be reduced to 1 month.



      So you need to scare such competent managers by the fact that you will collect so many pregnant women at once that he will instantly be born "backwards" ... wassat
  18. Verdun
    Verdun April 13 2016 19: 55
    +8
    The chatter about how real specialists are needed is fed up with colorful devils. If they were needed, then they would pay as they should, and they hired for work. The engineer himself, now in the past. Among the friends there are a dozen more. none of them work in their specialty, for something needs to be eaten. Even a good designer with experience in Italy is forced to interrupt on the occasion of orders at home. When I think about the fact that for the development of serious projects not just engineers are needed, but an engineering school, my hair stands on end. Most industries no longer have one.
  19. Indifferent
    Indifferent April 13 2016 19: 59
    +5
    Until the government is changed in the country, we have practically nothing to catch! Sabotage is clever and unnoticed! I just spread my hands when I find out these or those "attempts" of our government. At the same time, I do not think that I am the smartest. The solution lies on the surface. But he will be so perverted that something terrible and bad turns out ...
    The only good news is that I do not have much left to live in this world! And let the children and grandchildren dissolve the rest! Personally, I did everything I could for the prosperity of our country!
  20. Bizer
    Bizer April 13 2016 20: 28
    +7
    Not new. Military education is not even killed. Chemical Defense Academy destroyed, Strategic Missile Forces Academy destroyed can be continued ... In the Strategic Missile Forces in general with the training of officer personnel a catastrophe whoever says anything is reporting from the scene.
  21. red joni
    red joni April 13 2016 20: 32
    +3
    I live in Novosibirsk, our geodesic university was recognized as not effective and were going to close, and in the ranking it was on the line of five hundred what place, but suddenly a miracle happened. The university rose in the ranking to thirtyth place and became one of the three most efficient universities in the city and the pride of the whole country in just one year. , and you say geodetic universities are closed very inefficient, there are big smart girls there and they know their business tightly. Our geodesy and cartography will die only if the enemies of our state can ruin it but they cannot do it. Hands are never short. And then all the local idiomatic words about our enemies.
    1. cyber
      cyber April 14 2016 10: 05
      0
      This is the SSGA which? I don’t know how things are going on there, but about ten years ago I met excellent students of this university who could not perform elementary transformations with third-order curves. For cartographers, this is not good.
      Maybe something has changed since then.
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  22. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 13 2016 20: 48
    +4
    Sadly, since under the Soviet regime even those deposits were discovered that were supposed to be profitable in 50 years! Those - now. Mapping was carried out.
    The nose will come out, the tail will bog down. Geologists and cartographers --- experts grow slowly. It may be too late when you catch it.
  23. Forever so
    Forever so April 13 2016 20: 59
    +2
    normal move, everything as a great iPhone bequeathed, hit his constipation !!
  24. weksha50
    weksha50 April 13 2016 21: 02
    +5
    "Solving the tasks of effective management, officials essentially endanger Russia's defense capability"...

    In general, reading such articles, it becomes so painful in my soul ...

    Here we have the Polytechnic Institute poured into a university, a teacher training university, something else is there, they created a hodgepodge ...

    If earlier there was an awesome competition at the Polytechnic and normal specialists entered, now there is no competition, no experts ... And this is for some 8-10 years ...

    By God, I begin to understand those members of the forum who call for terror in relation to any mold that continues to ruin, plunder, kill the country ... To terror - legislative, at the state level ... Only who will "terrorize" godfather-brother-in-law-brother ?

    And again, the history of the development and development of Singapore comes to mind ... Corruption (read - betrayal) cannot be defeated by anything other than terror, destruction - to the root ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 14 2016 01: 38
      +1
      Even the idea of ​​such terror pleases. Only after all, against time and "ruin in the minds" even terror can be powerless. What respect was enjoyed by geology in the USSR! I am glad that reason won out in Novosibirsk and a wonderful university lives! Only miracles do not happen. would he, Eugene, get to the 450th place if he deserves 30 ?? !! Who benefits? Someone wanted to destroy him, but could not. There are articles in the Military Archive about the crumpled lives of talented people. Mediocre bureaucrats destroy talents and divide other people's salaries.
  25. demo
    demo April 13 2016 21: 07
    +6
    By the nature of my activity, I am directly connected with modern science.
    Drunk with ignoramuses, including with the title of Doctor of Sciences.
    I don’t know where it all goes.
    But good will not end.
    In a week I’ll finish the article and send it to the moderator.
    If you miss, then great.
    If again it will be written off that send to the Kremlin, then I do not know.
    1. cyber
      cyber April 14 2016 10: 07
      0
      What to do! Inflation is everywhere, including in science.
  26. Million
    Million April 13 2016 21: 13
    +4
    Who would ask Putin a question tomorrow on this topic. For him, it will be a curiosity
    1. marshes
      marshes April 13 2016 21: 20
      +7
      Quote: Million
      Who would ask Putin a question tomorrow on this topic. For him, it will be a curiosity

      For him, we prepared the necessary questions, and also puppies of dogs laughing or kittens will give. laughing
      The king will talk to the PEOPLE. laughing
  27. Sunseich
    Sunseich April 13 2016 21: 41
    +6
    Quote: Verdun
    When I think about the fact that for the development of serious projects not just engineers are needed, but an engineering school, my hair stands on end. Most industries no longer have one.

    I completely agree with you !!!
    I judge even by my very technically modest projects (freelance, I work at home)
  28. Orionvit
    Orionvit April 13 2016 21: 44
    +2
    Quote: demo
    By the nature of my activity, I am directly connected with modern science.
    Drunk with ignoramuses, including with the title of Doctor of Sciences.
    I don’t know where it all goes.
    But good will not end.
    In a week I’ll finish the article and send it to the moderator.
    If you miss, then great.
    If again it will be written off that send to the Kremlin, then I do not know.

    Any questions to Putin? read it. Now we disentangle the democracy of the 90s. Even in Ukraine, cartographers and surveyors, this is a gold mine, but in Russia for some reason not. I do not know.
  29. Amper
    Amper April 13 2016 21: 47
    +6
    Education is being destroyed as well as everything else - systematically. Illiteracy is easier to manage.
    At the Energy University, engineers are already trained in pictures, practice at the facilities is expensive. Special subjects are passed along the tops, teachers in order to increase the effectiveness of training reduce ...
    Wherever you stick, tinsel everywhere, verbiage, up the stairs leading down to the approving hooting of the United States and geyropa.
    After 5-10 years, and knowledge carriers will physically cease to exist.
    Other more adapted to life ... peoples will come.
    While the power of the galaxy of EBN and the Gaidar is in power, nothing will change.
  30. Verdun
    Verdun April 13 2016 23: 14
    +2
    In the days of the USSR, unloved by many, a turner who graduated from a vocational school came to production, where he was given under the supervision of an experienced turner, who taught the newcomer the specifics of production at a particular enterprise. The engineer was trained by experienced engineers, making it possible to get used to the peculiarities of work in a particular design bureau. At the moment, these links are uprooted. And "effective managers" believe that with modern methods of automation and design, they can, with a wave of a magic wand, at any time get as many specialists of the required level as they want.
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  31. atamankko
    atamankko April 13 2016 23: 22
    0
    You don’t have to joke with education, the technique in the hands of a savage is a piece of iron.
  32. boris117
    boris117 April 13 2016 23: 25
    +5
    I already wrote about this. What is happening in the field of education, of course, cannot be called anything other than genocide. This is actually so. I don’t understand why the government will not stop the obvious actions of the minobras to destroy education, science. The whole country is yelling, yelling, screaming about destructive reforms in education, science, and the effective manager of Livanov does not hear. Well, how else to explain that we are ruining science, technology, industry with this entity. I am a teacher with 40 years of experience. Why do not they hear ?. I was in Finland two years ago, they accepted our Soviet education there and our textbooks were translated. Finns are now in first place in Europe in terms of education. Yesterday he turned to the president about the disastrous reforms. I urge everyone to send their opinion on the reforms in education to the president, I hope to pay attention. At least the statistics will tell what the country is worried about.
  33. Verdun
    Verdun April 13 2016 23: 51
    -1
    Quote: boris117
    What is happening in the field of education, of course, cannot be called anything other than genocide

    To explain this to those whose children are educated in private paid schools with the intention of continuing their education at Oxford or the Sorbonne is a waste of time. At least that’s how it seems to me.
  34. kmv.km
    kmv.km April 13 2016 23: 57
    +4
    GENTLEMEN - COMRADES!
    Well, maybe it's worth stopping this useless nagging (LIES) about the fact that all the troubles from the collapse of the education system.
    I can’t talk about the whole of Russia, but about the Republic of Belarus I can say frankly, objectively, that is, more or less EXACT: both preschool, and general (basic and secondary), and HIGHER EDUCATION - SAVED AND WORK !!!
    Yes, there are problems, nuances, fortunately, THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IS NOT CRITICAL, in the form of "blat", bribes, extortions from parents for conditional gratuity, etc. etc.
    BUT THE EDUCATION SYSTEM - WORKS, if in Russia - OTHERWISE, I sincerely regret it.

    So, "Mother's alma" is over. We got a "crust" of the Worker (Welder, Bricklayer, Specialist in finishing works, etc., etc., Turner-milling machine) (Galustans and the like and their sponsors from the "fifth column of our rush" MUST HANG));
    and got the "crust" of a Material Engineer (Builder, Technologist, etc., etc.) or a Conditional Engineer of human bodies and souls (Doctor, Teacher, etc., etc.).

    AND HERE FURTHER "SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER" - EMPLOYMENT IN MODERN CONDITIONS!
    "Blat" is the "Holy" thing.
    I do not blame anyone, the System "Father and Mother - for the Son and Daughter, Uncle and Aunt - help very much" is not possible to win! Well, this is also NOT Critical for the Country, 20-25 percent. Moreover, among these children, from personal experience, the percentage of Idiots and Idiots DOES NOT SCREED.
    OK, 75 percent remained, now I speak only about Engineers, since this is almost my whole life.

    The remaining 75 percent were left SURVIVAL -
    IT IS NOT A GOOD Paid Work (and such DROPPED) by distribution or free search.
    In fact, the slavish use of Those To The Selected Path of Roads and due to Many Factors not able to turn off it ...
    The opportunity for LUCK (to become a Good Specialist and Receive Normal (Minimum)) payment for their Labor was also saved, for FEW ... Personally, I was LUCKY (working, at first, for many years "for a penny", I managed to become a SPECIALIST and MORE - LESS WORTHY get a job), for Life - I don't complain.
    OK, WE, - those who are for .... - this is the PAST,
    AND WITH THE FUTURE - for the Techies - a complete and hopeless ASS !!! I will not continue to give arguments, give advice, "whine", BUT LET'S LEAD MY PERSONAL LAST EXAMPLE:

    Young, ordinary Belarusian - Russian guy, Engineer. He worked with me, under my leadership, for many years !!! Yes, I didn't have enough "stars" from the sky, but I loved my profession, the Discovery Channel or whatever I watched it constantly, I told me, I Wanted to Do Something Serious (Outstanding). If my work is assessed at 5, then it can be at a solid 4. We were friends, supported him in everything he could, taught him, by hook or by crook knocked out bonuses and an increase to Z.P. But, communicating with Him, he knew that with such a "salary", supporting his family, he would allow himself HER housing in "eleven" years, he knew that he had participated in one of the programs for emigration to one of the "ovsky" countries. He did it.

    And what do you think, 3 weeks after the "departure" he already had a Job, a week later his Wife had a job,
    He "went" as an ordinary Hard worker !!! (I put only the GOOD in this term). After 4 months, communicating on Skype, the Guy showed off Z.P. at 3,500 USD His voice even changed. He became Confident, became a Husband (breadwinner), became a Father for his son.

    In 50 years, the descendants will appreciate "the power of our elites", the dad, the GDP, and so on. etc.
    Fortunately, I will not see this.
  35. tochila
    tochila April 13 2016 23: 59
    0
    There will be a direct line with the president !!! Again, housing and communal services, roads and expensive gasoline !!! E-mine !!! The main problem is not this crap !!!! We lived before without roads, utilities and gasoline !! Education of our children from which hair on end !!! If in the near future you do not return a good old school with some textbooks for everyone from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka, then the furry animal will dream of a country sooner or later !!
  36. cccr51
    cccr51 April 13 2016 23: 59
    0
    Here it is, the Jewish mafia in action
  37. pokermen
    pokermen April 14 2016 03: 28
    0
    We in Rostov have the same story.
    The only specialized construction university in the south of Russia joined DSTUrecourse ... About which they say "You can't go anywhere, go to DSTU" ... in other words, a bursa with a university diploma
  38. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 14 2016 05: 38
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Hm ... Why is this so terrible? All rush into pedagogy?

    In general, all these "entrance exams" are essentially big game. Designed to exclusively limit the number of applicants.

    So then it will be that the ignoramus learns the ignoramus! At the exit, it’s scary to think what will happen!
  39. Pitot
    Pitot April 14 2016 06: 05
    0
    And I once studied at NIIGAiK. On the surveyor. (Although I wanted to take aerial photographs - I didn’t get through, I’m dumb). A good institute was .... rich in experience and specialists
  40. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 14 2016 06: 13
    +3
    Yes, we have a complete production ... this is the most.
    Two examples.
    1. Yesterday's student comes to the enterprise.
    He is taught, he is studying, improving, growing above himself.
    And now it's kind of time to raise it.
    But no, he’s got a guy who’s got a diploma only yesterday.
    What's the secret? Yes, it’s just that dude’s mother (relatives) is the chief accountant at this enterprise.
    So the question is, is it worth it to come to the penniless RFP when there are no prospects for growth from the word at all?
    2. A disciple of a locksmith, a machinist or other specialization comes.
    It is attached to a specialist for training.
    As soon as a specialist has taught everything, he, a specialist, is fired.
    Because it’s possible to pay less for the young and he is more dependent in terms of salary.
    I wonder if this young specialist will agree to take a student in the future?

    And while we are valued blat and acquaintances, and not experience and perseverance, figs you get production development.
  41. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 14 2016 06: 59
    +1
    It is very likely that someone is conscientiously fulfilling the tasks of the collapse of Russian science and education, set back in the 90s by our fierce enemies before the "fifth column"! And where are our vaunted state security bodies? Or does the destruction of fundamental, educational and scientific institutions not threaten our security?
  42. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan April 14 2016 07: 34
    +3
    There is only one conclusion - power must be changed. But the trouble is not for anyone. Ultraliberals are about ... ut country for greens, and real patriots are intimidated by a state machine.
  43. karakuin
    karakuin April 14 2016 09: 46
    +2
    Hey dear, stop drowning the whole crowd! What are they writing to you about? Are you completely crazy? They explain to you stupidly that soon there will be no maps in the country, will you drown armats in swamps without detailed maps? Caliber run how? And here are the managers? My son, 2 years ago, graduated from the University of Geodesy, is still interrupted by casual work, survey offices are closed. You are stupid, how are you going to build pipelines, power networks, and build houses without topography? I have not seen such a set of moronic comments off topic.
    1. cyber
      cyber April 14 2016 11: 46
      +1
      Rough, but it is.
      It has also become popular to use Google images / maps where they cannot be used, therefore, maps have long been tense and serious.
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  44. X Y Z
    X Y Z April 14 2016 11: 08
    +1
    Effective young managers are evil of tremendous destructive power. These are the same Komsomol members of the 70 ... 80s who, having entered the enterprises, tried to take the shortest path to leadership, through the Komsomol committee, etc., knowing that the path through mastering the profession is long, thorny, and requires brains. And they needed to quickly and without going into details. Their destiny is not science and production, but a place where profit is made and there is an opportunity to quickly fly up the career ladder, preferably through several steps. Human destinies, however, do not bother them in the least.
  45. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx April 14 2016 15: 48
    0
    In fact, earlier the entire current mess was very clearly registered in the Criminal Code and was called this - wrecking, sabotage, sabotage and treason. It was punished soooo long terms, up to the execution and complete confiscation. And if we continue to continue in the same vein, then about ...., in short, we will lose Russia as well as the USSR.
  46. Buffet
    Buffet April 14 2016 16: 12
    0
    Oh, you just don’t have to cry here because of the association, I myself studied at MAMI at the branch in Serpukhov on the basis of the Institute of Missile Forces, where there is just the same department of geodesy. And I think everyone has already forgotten how the RSSU and MAMI bought expensive cars at one time. Then, it became profitable for institutes to teach economists and lawyers, but not in their specialty. And right now they whine how they feel bad. To begin with, really begin to teach students specialized fields and do not play KVNy and other heresies ... By the way, moms close in Serpukhov.