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Where are you going? Your survival age is over ...

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What does a person feel when experts from the economic sphere or state structures say to him: “Oh, brother, your age is about to exceed the survival rate!” Well, if a person does not immediately understand what is being said, otherwise he may be a specialist interlocutor and fist (crutch, badik), where it is necessary to move.


And after all, it is precisely the increase in the survival rate of Russians in recent times that individual state institutions are engaged in, whose tasks social sphere often includes only on paper. First of all, we are talking about the Pension Fund of Russia, which somehow suddenly decided to roll its well-known chanted advertising on the central channels of the national TV.

So, if someone suddenly does not know, then the coefficient of survival or age of survival (he is the term of survival) - this is the time interval after which a person MUST, according to the findings of the specialists of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, DIE that head about how to pay him a pension. Yes, yes - the term of survival is out - be kind enough to appear before the Lord’s court, because there is no money in your retirement account ...

In 2015, the age of survival was 19 years, and 2016 was raised for another six months. How to understand this age? And it is very simple to understand: if the retirement “for old age” for a woman is 55 years, and men are 60, then all the funds “accumulated” on the retirement account will be paid based on the fact that the pensioner lives to 74,5 years (55 + 19,5 ), and the pensioner to 79,5 years (60 + 19,5).

For example, a person by the time of retirement has accumulated an amount of 1,5 million rubles. This million will be divided into 234 months (19,5 years) to get the amount of monthly pension payments. In this case, the pension will be 6410 rubles. This is without taking into account possible indexations, additional payments, etc. What is called "naked" pension.

If a person (and this is a real nightmare of the Pension Fund) suddenly decides to live beyond the very term of living that the “retirement” officials have designated for him, then the Foundation is gritting his teeth. He squeaks because in Russia, according to the law, pension payments are made for life (from the moment a person retires), and since the pensioner has “eaten” all funds, the Fund needs to go to other accounts and take it from there. Ah ah ah! Poor-poor Pension Fund ... - Well, at least that's what his experienced employees say about themselves ...

But after all, it is not a secret to anyone that the minority of Russians retiring “survive” during the entire period of their survival. Most die, not having lived and half of the period established by the FIU. The statistics (and this was announced by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev during the week) suggests that the average age in Russia today is 71,4. If both male and female survival are averaged, then it is equal to 77 years. Simple arithmetic says that from the Fund’s resources (in fact, from their own funds), on average, Russians do not receive enough of their pensions for 5-6 years. They simply die before they reach the notorious age of survival of which we are talking. No, of course, someone will live more, but such people (and this is also a statistic) are less than 10% of the total number of retired people.

Where are you going? Your survival age is over ...


It turns out that a person, in order to take a little more from the FIU, will have to “live through” the term of survival, which the Russians are set by the most humane of the humane officials of the Foundation. But that's the happiness for such officials - 90% of pensioners do not reach this level, actually giving money to the Fund. And it’s not possible to track the fate of these funds more often, because the FIU, in its closeness, will give odds to any organization, including even special services ... Moreover, the fund for informational coverage of the aforementioned side of its activity is equally closed both to pensioners themselves and to journalists whose duties include informing the public, including on pension topics.

And against the background of the fact that 5-6 funds of the “under-lived” millions of retired years are actually settling in the fund, there are new claims that the Pension Fund, you see, has huge losses, that its accumulability is critically weak, and that enough now. On the eve of the newspaper "News" There was a material in which a World Bank specialist, actually echoing individual representatives of the state apparatus, said that you say you want it or not, and you will have to raise the retirement age in Russia. They say that this measure is unpopular, but (this is a quote) "life expectancy in Russia has increased dramatically in recent years, including for men - almost to 66 years ..." They say they began to live a long time, the Herods ... By the way, the World Bank For about a year, it monitors the state of the pension system in Russia by order of the Central Bank.

So, the WB specialist says that the life expectancy of Russians, you see, "has increased dramatically." Men - right up to 66! .. And the fact that from 66 until the end of the term of survival of men, determined by the FIU, there are still more 13 years - how would you comment on this fact in the Central Bank and the World Bank?

In short: where is the money, Zin! .. Where are they going? Is there any transparency in their dynamics? Or transparency at the level of the bitumen stream? ..

And therefore, is it not time, instead of regular attempts to justify the upcoming retirement age, to shake up (while through “I”) the apparatus of the Fund itself, which itself sets incomprehensible life levels and, it must be assumed, is glad that they will live to these levels. still not real.
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  1. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer April 8 2016 05: 30
    +132
    PF doesn’t offend itself, palaces all over Russia have been rebuilt.
    Isn’t it time, instead of yet another attempt to justify the impending increase in the retirement age, to shake (until through “I”) the apparatus of the very Fund
    Here, dear thing! Even as it should, yesterday!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy April 8 2016 05: 58
      +93
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      PF doesn’t offend itself, palaces all over Russia have been rebuilt.
      Isn’t it time, instead of yet another attempt to justify the impending increase in the retirement age, to shake (until through “I”) the apparatus of the very Fund
      Here, dear thing! Even as it should, yesterday!

      And not only the apparatus, but also the system. The PF receives bonuses from the "saved", so for them every long-liver is a thief from their personal pockets.
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        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ April 8 2016 09: 52
          +26
          I would like to note one circumstance on the topic.
          Maybe this is not known to everyone, but ....
          A citizen has the right to determine in advance the legal successors of the funds of his retirement savings and in what proportions these funds will be distributed between them in case of his death. To determine the successors, it is necessary to submit an application to the FIU (or NPF, if the pension savings are formed in it) and indicate their successors and in what proportions the savings will be distributed between them.
          You may not be told about this in the PF, but you have the right to do so.

          The successors of pension savings may be the persons indicated in the application of the citizen. The statement can also determine in what proportions these funds will be distributed between them.

          If there is no such statement, then the following are considered as assignees:

          First of all, children, including adopted children, spouse and parents (adoptive parents);
          secondly, brothers, sisters, grandfathers and grandchildren.
          The payment of pension savings to relatives of one turn is carried out in equal shares. Assignees of the second stage are entitled to receive pension savings if there are no relatives of the first stage.

          Pension savings funds may be paid to successors if the death of a citizen has occurred:

          - BEFORE assigning him a payment at the expense of pension savings or before recalculating its size taking into account additional pension savings (with the exception of maternal (family) capital funds aimed at forming a future pension);

          - AFTER the appointment of an urgent pension payment. In this case, the assignees have the right to receive the unpaid balance of pension savings funds (with the exception of maternal (family) capital funds aimed at forming a future pension);

          - AFTER it was appointed, but has not yet been paid to him a lump sum payment of pension savings. It can be received by the family members of the deceased pensioner (subject to cohabitation), as well as his disabled dependents (regardless of whether they lived with the deceased or not) within 4 months from the date of death of the citizen. If these persons are absent, the lump sum payment shall be included in the estate and inherited on a common basis.
          If a citizen has been paid a funded pension (indefinitely), in the event of his death, pension funds are not paid to successors.

          I propose to familiarize yourself with this information on the PFR website in more detail.
          http://www.pfrf.ru/grazdanam/pensions/pens_nak/viplata_pens_nak_prav
          1. Yuliya2209
            Yuliya2209 April 9 2016 07: 26
            +6
            A citizen has the right to determine in advance the legal successors of the funds of his retirement savings and in what proportions these funds will be distributed between them in case of his death .........
            This is if your year of birth is higher than 1967 and you have funded contributions. That person has the right to inherit them. And who is older than this year, those only fear. there is nothing to transfer contributions to.
      2. Nick
        Nick April 8 2016 10: 56
        +9
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The PF receives bonuses from the "saved", so for them every long-liver is a thief from their personal pockets.

        Moreover, it is obvious that for the sake of bonuses, the tovarischi from the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation go even in direct violation of the Law. An acquaintance of mine applied for a pension, so they refused to enroll him as a day in two days. While FZ-76 "On the status of military personnel" dated 27.05.1998/15.02.2016/10, as amended. from 3 directly says the opposite. Art. XNUMX P. XNUMX "... The time spent by citizens in military service under the contract is counted in their total length of service, included in the length of service of a civil servant and in the length of service in a specialty at the rate of one day of military service for one day of work, and the time spent by citizens on military draft service (including officers called up for military service in accordance with the decree of the President of the Russian Federation) - one day of military service in two days of work..."
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 April 8 2016 14: 42
          +5
          Quote: Nick
          Moreover, it is obvious that for the sake of bonuses, the tovarischi from the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation go even in direct violation of the Law. An acquaintance of mine applied for a pension, so they refused to enroll him as a day in two days. While FZ-76 "On the status of military personnel" dated 27.05.1998/15.02.2016/XNUMX, as amended. from XNUMX directly says the opposite.

          The question is not simple. It is difficult to argue, not knowing all the circumstances, but perhaps your friend served before the entry into force of the Federal Law and the previous law (if it was such) provides for other provisions. Here you need a good lawyer for labor law.
          1. Nick
            Nick April 10 2016 15: 29
            0
            Quote: Captain45
            The question is not simple. It is difficult to argue, not knowing all the circumstances, but perhaps your friend served before the entry into force of the Federal Law and the previous law (if there was one) provides for other provisions

            Quote: Aleks.Antonov
            And in what year did your acquaintance serve on the draft? After May 1998? Or earlier? If earlier, then the law has no retroactive effect.

            Yeah. Then it turns out that for those whose labor soot began in Soviet times, the old Soviet laws should apply. This is nonsense.
        2. Aleks.Antonov
          Aleks.Antonov April 8 2016 20: 54
          +3
          What year did your friend serve on the conscription? After May 1998? Or earlier? If earlier, then the law has no retroactive effect. Personally, I faced another injustice. I have an employee, a former officer of the "Berkut" (Lvov) at one time passed the Fergana Valley, Baku, Karabakh. And when he decided to apply for a pension, he was told: Prove that you were there! Your part was there, and you yourself, where were you at that time? Yes, you served in this unit at that time. But provide documents that you participated in the hostilities. They advised me to go to Lviv and try to get the relevant information in the archive there. But then what happened happened. And in May last year he was simply not allowed to cross the border. True, they apologized. So it works now until the general retirement age.
      3. NordUral
        NordUral April 8 2016 19: 57
        +9
        Yes, every pensioner is an arrogant thief from his first retirement handout to the last.
      4. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 9 2016 13: 51
        0
        Well excuse me generously, but ...
        +82, and -5. Okay. Who said + they did not support my point of view, but my maaaaaaaa little argument. But this aspen nest will finally answer where I am mistaken, I do not understand, due to the lack of knowledge of the specifics and depth of the processes of pension accumulation and provision of ... "and other excesses." That would be for the excesses in more detail ah?
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 8 2016 06: 01
      -73%
      Where are you going? Your survival age is over

      - where is it, who told whom and to whom? Whoever said this would be fired in three counts ..

      An article like "let it be w @ h". Article minus, too much chernukha and little evidence (they, that is, none at all).

      For example, the author is apparently simply unfamiliar with the concept of "demographic hole". And this "pit" now takes place in the Russian Federation. That does not have the best effect, including on the filling of the Pension Fund.

      As for the "raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation" - in my memory, it has been raised for five years, if not more .. now everyone is raising and raising it .. but it still does not rise ..

      Sketch, typical .. author, write escho laughing
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris April 8 2016 06: 41
        +40
        God grant you live to an advanced age, then the officials (maybe not in public, not in the queue) do not hear enough ..
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Where are you going? Your survival age is over

        - where is it, who told whom and to whom? Whoever said this would be fired in three counts ..

        An article like "let it be w @ h". Article minus, too much chernukha and little evidence (they, that is, none at all).

        For example, the author is apparently simply unfamiliar with the concept of "demographic hole". And this "pit" now takes place in the Russian Federation. That does not have the best effect, including on the filling of the Pension Fund.

        As for the "raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation" - in my memory, it has been raised for five years, if not more .. now everyone is raising and raising it .. but it still does not rise ..

        Sketch, typical .. author, write escho laughing
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 8 2016 07: 10
          -7
          Quote: dmi.pris
          God grant you live to old age

          - thanks, I'm still small .. 54 full of everything, everything is still ahead laughing

          Quote: dmi.pris
          the officials (maybe not in public, not in the queue) do not overhear this ..

          - and I do not claim that all officials are angels with wings. I claim to bite. And, if anything, trouble - we will create guaranteed.

          PS: my father - 79, my mother - 78. I have never heard anything like this from the article from them.

          Somehow yes
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris April 8 2016 07: 41
            +28
            You and I are almost the same age .. We made out to my wife a pension, such rare arrogance and rudeness, not to mention the elementary delay in registration I did not see ..
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Quote: dmi.pris
            God grant you live to old age

            - thanks, I'm still small .. 54 full of everything, everything is still ahead laughing

            Quote: dmi.pris
            the officials (maybe not in public, not in the queue) do not overhear this ..

            - and I do not claim that all officials are angels with wings. I claim to bite. And, if anything, trouble - we will create guaranteed.

            PS: my father - 79, my mother - 78. I have never heard anything like this from the article from them.

            Somehow yes
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 April 8 2016 08: 07
              +43
              Where are you going? Your survival age is over ...

              Here it’s just right to talk about the age of survival until retirement, and not about the age of survival after it!
              1. 24hours
                24hours April 8 2016 09: 54
                -39%
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                Here it’s just right to talk about the age of survival until retirement, and not about the age of survival after it!

                Not only do they live well up to retirement, but also for many years, creatures of the third sex, the so-called. "military pensioners". Once upon a time, in order to enlist the support of the military, one of the General Secretary began to pay them pensions starting at the age of 45. Since then, no one has touched this sacred cow. Women retire at the age of 55. In a few years, there is no doubt about it, they will retire at 63. And these ... middle sex, 45 years old. And they have a pension, not like a civilian. Overworked, poor things.
                1. shtanko.49
                  shtanko.49 April 8 2016 11: 52
                  +14
                  You probably didn’t serve in the Army, I can say that even in peacetime it is the hardest work. At least I determined it for myself after the conscription service.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef April 8 2016 18: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: shtanko.49
                    You probably didn’t serve in the Army, I can say that even in peacetime it is the hardest work. At least I determined it for myself after the conscription service.

                    depending on who and where.
                2. apostoll
                  apostoll April 8 2016 12: 33
                  +30
                  You are a couch seal, put on fur boots, a sheepskin coat, and holding onto the cable so that the wind does not blow away, go to the service! Go down in a sturdy hull under the canopy of the deep sea, or chat in the sky on the dome with full calculation ... I'm not talking about pilots, navigators, and personnel of nuclear installations ...
                  At 45 you'll be like a squeezed lemon, and the whole pension will go to medicines, even if it is more than civilian ones, but medicines for those diseases are not cheap ...
                  Throw you, the son of a female dog, on the "island of flying dogs", or for half a year under the surface ...
                  Although .... to whom I crucify ... a scarecrow it is a scarecrow! all "24 hours", seven days a week!
                  1. yehat
                    yehat April 8 2016 12: 40
                    +12
                    not all military men receive a high merit pension
                    I know one fleet supply officer - the rear. at 36 earned a pension. NEVER went to sea. He served in Vyborg and St. Petersburg. At 36, he had already bought a luxurious apartment in the center - somewhere near the Finnish embassy, ​​a cottage, a car for 3 million. It works on average 4-5 hours a day. In your own office more than 30m with air conditioning and other goodies.
                    And his pension is more than 30 thousand - for how much, I don’t know for sure.
                    this is such a difficult life for a guy ...
                    1. Docent1984
                      Docent1984 April 8 2016 12: 53
                      +21
                      It’s always hard for the backers in our country laughing
                    2. Starina_hank
                      Starina_hank April 8 2016 18: 53
                      +4
                      There is some inaccuracy in the message of comrade UENAT. If the supplier served only in the indicated regions, then before 40-42 years he will not receive a pension, there is not enough length of service. And if there is still a pension, then he had to serve not only in St. Petersburg and its environs. And if he lives beyond his means, then we have a huge number of such "effective managers".
                    3. Starina_hank
                      Starina_hank April 8 2016 18: 53
                      0
                      There is some inaccuracy in the message of comrade UENAT. If the supplier served only in the indicated regions, then before 40-42 years he will not receive a pension, there is not enough length of service. And if there is still a pension, then he had to serve not only in St. Petersburg and its environs. And if he lives beyond his means, then we have a huge number of such "effective managers".
                  2. atalef
                    atalef April 8 2016 18: 20
                    +6
                    Quote: apostoll
                    You are a couch seal, put on fur boots, a sheepskin coat, and holding onto the cable so that the wind does not blow away, go to the service! Go down in a sturdy hull under the canopy of the sea depths, or chat in the sky in the dome with full calculation ... I'm not talking about pilots, navigators, and personnel of nuclear installations

                    Or sit in the financial management, the rear service, in the warehouse, military acceptance.
                    The army has a huge number of thieves.
                    Therefore, the approach should be differentiated.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 April 10 2016 11: 03
                      +1
                      Stock!!!Sweet word ... (usually boxes of butter and bags of sugar in the eyes)

                      After the divorce (winter), you go to the warehouse (1,5 km from the village) together with the "aggressors" (the armed men - remember the service, the chief of the warehouse + the storekeeper of the chemical storage (women are important for the future !!) and 4-5 soldiers. We come - 2 a soldier to dig out the outer and inner gates (swept up at night), 2 - the gates of the NUR and ATGM storage (sacred !!), 1 - the gate to the shooter (it was allocated inside the common area), remember the service - the shooter's warehouse, the head of the warehouse-storage number 2 , the storekeeper of the chemical storage, naturally digs her own, I naturally - my personal warehouse (not aggressive repeat ). Snow is approximately 1,5 m, frost on average is small - 15, the wind is ours all in aviation (326 days a year on average) ..
                      At about 11, they dug up, hammered towards me - I have the smallest room that you can warm up with a gauze for an hour somewhere up to + 5 (you won’t leave it for the night request ) - and then it gets warm, women raise their ears and lower their collars. In 11: 30 we close the storages and go back. After lunch, we re-enter for the purpose of doing something or receiving / issuing. And so every day. If flights are aggressors They sat until the last trailer / car. Thank God they didn’t pull me - in the warehouse there was something that could be needed right now, right now, there wasn’t at all, and the rest were received by the repairmen as usual ...
                      On the other hand - there are places colder / hotter, so there’s nothing to complain about ..
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                4. vlbelugin
                  vlbelugin April 8 2016 13: 39
                  +4
                  Go serve in combat units for about 30 years. Then we'll see how you will speak.
                  1. yehat
                    yehat April 8 2016 13: 57
                    +4
                    and who serves there for 30 ??? 10-15 years, pension and goodbye.
                    1. not main
                      not main April 8 2016 22: 18
                      0
                      Quote: yehat
                      and who serves there for 30 ??? 10-15 years, pension and goodbye.

                      And you ask the officers! I think they will clearly explain to you! Just make a reservation in the "tram"!
                      1. yehat
                        yehat April 10 2016 10: 10
                        0
                        what kind of cheap show-offs?
                        shame should be
                5. Captain45
                  Captain45 April 8 2016 14: 56
                  +6
                  Quote: 24hours
                  creatures of the third sex, the so-called. "military pensioners".

                  You yourself-Conchita Wurst!!! am
                6. Tanysh
                  Tanysh April 8 2016 15: 00
                  0
                  Two times a real dip in the trench. and ask for retirement at 35.
                7. tank64rus
                  tank64rus April 8 2016 16: 55
                  +15
                  By the age of 45, I am disabled 2 groups. Chernobyl for six months in the exclusion zone of 1986-87. Accident in Tomsk-7 1993. Four years of barracks at the school. 28 years of service. Diabetes and hypertension. My colleagues also have every second disabled person. Chernobyl thinned us great. So in your opinion we are not worthy of a pension.
                8. tank64rus
                  tank64rus April 8 2016 16: 55
                  +2
                  By the age of 45, I am disabled 2 groups. Chernobyl for six months in the exclusion zone of 1986-87. Accident in Tomsk-7 1993. Four years of barracks at the school. 28 years of service. Diabetes and hypertension. My colleagues also have every second disabled person. Chernobyl thinned us great. So in your opinion we are not worthy of a pension.
                9. atalef
                  atalef April 8 2016 18: 06
                  +10
                  Quote: 24hours
                  . Once upon a time, in order to enlist the support of the military, one of the General Secretaries began to pay them pensions from the age of 45.

                  Everywhere in the world at 45 officers and over-conscripts of military units leave with us the same.
              2. creak
                creak April 8 2016 10: 31
                +23
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                Here it’s just right to talk about the age of retirement


                The great Russian poet A.S. Pushkin died at age 37.
                What have you done for the country? ... what
                Russian Pension Fund.
              3. Wolverine
                Wolverine April 8 2016 13: 18
                +10
                That's right, the old cemetery of 100 years has an area of ​​2 hectares. and a new 50 hectare and filled by 60 percent in 15 years, the main age is 40-50 years, like this ...
              4. dr. sem
                dr. sem April 8 2016 16: 06
                +9
                Recently I met a friend, an orderly in the morgue. Interesting things. In the refrigerator there are men from 40 to 50 years old ... Where is 77 here?
            2. your1970
              your1970 April 10 2016 10: 37
              0
              "I have not seen such a rare swagger and rudeness for my wife, not to mention the elementary delay in registration."
              Situations are different (about the delay), but on the other hand, why didn’t you complain? Now, any action / inaction can be appealed, any in general, even the most abstract, if only the anonymity was also on the profile of the state agency !!!!
              We had a case - a man in writing complained about a crookedly hanging employee’s badge (I couldn’t read it), thank God the girl who climbed the shelves before, but brains so ...
          2. Avantageur
            Avantageur April 8 2016 17: 54
            +5
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - thanks, I'm still small .. 54 full of everything, everything is still ahead

            Wow! .. Already for fifty dollars, and everything thinks that he is a cat ... lol


      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander April 8 2016 06: 43
        +18
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        where is it, who told whom and to whom?

        The author defines the concept of "survival age":

        age of survival (it is also the term of survival) - this is the time interval after which a person SHOULD, according to the conclusions of the specialists of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, DIE

        But the word "MUST" makes the concept savage and is not in the true definition. This is a statistical calculation indicator, and nothing more, should the Fund proceed from something?
        An attempt to strengthen the article in this way, in my opinion, is unsuccessful.
        Although the very idea of ​​the article is certainly true, the Fund has the money and there is no need to raise the retirement age.
        PS In Germany, the retirement age, however, for women and men is67 years.
        1. 2014ya.ru
          2014ya.ru April 8 2016 06: 58
          +18
          In Germany, living and working conditions are much better than in Russia!
          1. yehat
            yehat April 8 2016 12: 49
            +2
            I wouldn’t say so confidently.
            in Moscow time, many can compete with the Germans about living and working conditions.
            1. Sinbad
              Sinbad April 9 2016 09: 32
              +6
              Dear, Moscow is not all of Russia, and sometimes, not Russia anymore. Go beyond the Moscow Ring Road, at least 200 kilometers, but turn off the road. There is Russia, with a real standard of living and problems of survival.
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 8 2016 07: 03
          -25%
          Quote: Aleksander
          An attempt to reinforce the article in this way, in my opinion, unsuccessful

          - IMHO, to say the least. I would say - the author carefully .. um .. misleads readers, and the article itself is clearly tendentious.

          Quote: Aleksander
          The Fund has money and there is no need to raise the retirement age

          - the chatter about "promotion" has been going on for a long time. But so far - pah three times - no one has raised anything. And it is not going to.
          1. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul April 8 2016 09: 03
            +28
            the chatter about "promotion" has been going on for a long time.
            The chatter, as you put it, goes in order to prepare public opinion about the inevitable, but so far the elections are ahead, first to think, and then presidential and no one wants to spoil their ratings, but after 2018, you can wait.
            But so far - pah three times - no one raised anything. And not going to.
            How do you get such confidence? I remember the government promised to remove the transport tax, after the introduction of excise taxes. wink As for the money, and where, or rather who to take it from, in our country they quickly find the answer to this question. You can’t take them with the rich from us and not so much, you have to protect them, all the same, the elite, but from the people, it’s always welcome, we have a lot of them. will be solid. yes We pay VAT in the form of 18% regularly from any purchase and are not going to reduce it.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null April 8 2016 09: 18
              -16%
              Quote: Gomunkul
              The chatter goes to prepare public opinion about the inevitable ... after 2018, you can wait

              - but you can not wait ..
              - in two and a half years (before "after 2018") a lot of things will change, that's for sure
              - which way and what will change - neither I nor you know
              - we will survive - we will see that in advance to drive a wave? wink

              Quote: Gomunkul
              You can’t take them with the rich from us and not so much, you have to protect them, all the same, the elite, but from the people, it’s always welcome, we have a lot of them. will be solid

              - "our" rich - no "elite", the party nomenklatura is the former, mixed with farts and other "cream of society" .. Soviet, mind you, society
              - a song about the rich and the poor - sing along with Tolmach, for example .. I’m not interested in it, I would have to find work now .. for myself, my beloved, others are of little interest to me ..
              - it’s amusing that about offshore companies, treasury, gold, taxes and other .. trouble is usually discussed by individuals who understand the subject .. well, like a pig in oranges, about request

              That's all, actually yes
              1. Gomunkul
                Gomunkul April 8 2016 09: 56
                +5
                - but you can not wait ..
                Of course, you can’t wait, but why stir up protest in society? wink
                - in two and a half years (before "after 2018") a lot of things will change, that's for sure
                Certainly. yes
                - which way and what will change - neither I nor you know
                That’s for sure, neither I nor you are part of the government, and what they’re thinking about, I don’t know for sure ...
                - we will survive - we will see that in advance to drive a wave?
                The wave begins to drive from above, we can only see how it spreads across the country and people.
                - "our" rich - no "elite", the party nomenklatura is the former, mixed with farts and other "cream of society" .. Soviet, mind you, society
                Here I agree with you, but they think of themselves precisely as the elite.
                - a song about the rich and the poor - sing along with Tolmach, for example .. I’m not interested in it, I would have to find work now .. for myself, my beloved, others are of little interest to me ..
                Sitting on the forum on the Internet, you are unlikely to find work.
                - it’s amusing that about offshore companies, treasury, gold, taxes and other .. trouble is usually discussed by individuals who understand the subject .. well, like a pig in oranges, about
                They do not have deep knowledge in these matters; I will not discuss it.
                hi
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null April 8 2016 10: 23
                  -3
                  Quote: Gomunkul
                  Of course, you can’t wait, but why stir up protest in society?

                  - if you are talking about journalistoff and local "ringleaders", then I completely agree with you

                  Quote: Gomunkul
                  The wave begins to drive from above, we can only see how it spreads across the country and people

                  - "at the top" their "hills and streams", and journalists - they also want to eat, and therefore choose the most "fried" facts .. and sometimes they themselves "create", as in this article yes
                  - I personally used to relate to what is happening .. well, as to the terrain. If a birch suddenly grows in the middle of the road, you need to get around it, and not try to ram laughing

                  Quote: Gomunkul
                  Sitting on the forum on the Internet, you are unlikely to find work

                  - Sites Headhunter, Joblist and others are also on the Internet. Mail - in the same place. The sites on which my colleagues "graze" - too.

                  In my free time, I go for a walk where I like. I'm a cat, after all request

                  Voooot ...
                  1. Gomunkul
                    Gomunkul April 8 2016 10: 33
                    +2
                    - "at the top" their "hills and streams", and journalists - they also want to eat, and therefore choose the most "fried" facts .. and sometimes they themselves "create", as in this article yes
                    The idea of ​​raising the retirement age was just made by the Minister of Finance, Mr. Siluanov and his former boss, Mr. Kudrin, the journalists only circulated their statements.
                    - Headhunter, Joblist and others sites are also on the Internet. Mail is there. In my free time, I go for a walk where I like. I'm a cat, still request
                    A good job over the Internet is finding great luck. Good luck to you. hi
                  2. Alf
                    Alf April 8 2016 17: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    - Headhunter, Joblist and others sites are also on the Internet. Mail is there.

                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    I would now have to find work .. for myself, my beloved, others are of little interest to me ..

                    So what is the problem? Work is unmeasured?
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                    2. Cat man null
                      Cat man null April 9 2016 04: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Alf
                      So what is the problem? Work is unmeasured?

                      So here -

                      private static container determinePhysicalStrategyTypesMovement (
                      InventMovement _movement,
                      InventDim _inventDimReservationCriteria)
                      {
                      container strategyTypes;

                      if (_movement.canHaveReservedWork ()
                      && (! _inventDimReservationCriteria.InventLocationId
                      || InventLocation :: find (_inventDimReservationCriteria.InventLocationId) .whsEnabled)
                      )
                      {
                      strategyTypes = [WHSReservationHierarchyLevelStrategyType :: AboveLocation];
                      }
                      else
                      {
                      strategyTypes = [WHSReservationHierarchyLevelStrategyType :: All,
                      WHSReservationHierarchyLevelStrategyType :: AllNotAllowedBlank];
                      }

                      return strategyTypes;
                      }

                      - few. Last time I searched for almost a year request
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 April 10 2016 11: 11
                        0
                        Excuse me, can I speak Russian? Otherwise Yandex sent some kind of container request
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          2. Naum
            Naum April 9 2016 12: 37
            +2
            This is not just "chatter", but preparation of public opinion. Such an annual "stuffing" leads to the fact that the people begin to complacency and even put up with the "inevitable". As for military pensioners, some of them deserve their pension even at 35 (submariners), while others can work up to 60 in warehouses and headquarters. I am energetic, of course, a sofa, but here I am convinced that the approach should be taken. differentiated.
        3. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K April 8 2016 08: 20
          -7
          Although the very idea of ​​the article is certainly true, the Fund has money

          What is the idea right? The author does not know elementary mathematics, does not know such a thing as a weighted average value. He stupidly divides the age of men and women into two and makes an absurd conclusion that the real age of survival is less than the estimated one and there is a certain saving. The author generally knows that in our country women live much longer than men and women pensioners much more than men. This is where knowledge of mathematics comes in handy and it turns out that the weighted average age of survival coincides with the calculated one.
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander April 8 2016 09: 40
            +19
            Quote: Nikolai K
            The author does not know elementary mathematics, does not know such a thing as a weighted average value. He stupidly divides the age of men and women into two and makes an absurd conclusion that the real age of survival is less than the estimated one and there is a certain saving. The author generally knows that in our country women live much longer than men and women pensioners much more than men


            You have maths absolutely not, but there are words "stupid", absurd ", elementary". Looks dull.
            Quote: Nikolai K
            He stupidly divides the age of men and women into two


            What language is it in? belay
            Quote: Nikolai K
            The author generally knows that in our country women live much longer than men and women pensioners much more than men.


            The average age of women 75, 5 years-almost coincides with the age of survival. Men64 years, What's on 15,5 years less than calculated survival. That is almost 80% of accumulated pension men remain in the fund, and men are 34% of pensioners and their pensions are higher than women.
            1. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K April 8 2016 15: 41
              -1
              That is, almost 80% of the accumulated pension of men remains in the fund

              They do not remain the foundation, but just go to pay women.
              1. yehat
                yehat April 8 2016 15: 59
                +3
                you know, when a deputy or an official or other thieves look like a pensioner receives a pension, like 10-20 pensioners, I’d think about the answer where the savings go.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 10 2016 11: 14
                  0
                  "or an official or"
                  When you write next time, specify the officials of what level (probably not lower than the deputy minister) you mean, otherwise I get 12 thousand and this is clearly less than "10-20 pensioners" belay request
            2. yehat
              yehat April 8 2016 15: 57
              0
              correction: there are almost as many male pensioners as women, just some of them die before the onset of pensions, some receive short-term pensions.
              You mean still living pensioners, but there is a certain difference.
      3. activator
        activator April 8 2016 07: 37
        +17
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Where are you going? Your survival age is over

        - where is it, who told whom and to whom? Whoever said this would be fired in three counts ..

        An article like "let it be w @ h". Article minus, too much chernukha and little evidence (they, that is, none at all).

        For example, the author is apparently simply unfamiliar with the concept of "demographic hole". And this "pit" now takes place in the Russian Federation. That does not have the best effect, including on the filling of the Pension Fund.

        As for the "raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation" - in my memory, it has been raised for five years, if not more .. now everyone is raising and raising it .. but it still does not rise ..

        Sketch, typical .. author, write escho laughing

        The problem in principle is similar for both you and us, therefore, I would speak out instead of stepping up pv. It would be better to increase the number of jobs and make employers pay white salaries. A demographic hole takes place to be, but let's say after a population explosion, when there are a lot of workers and few pensioners, it is easy to pay pensions . But then these workers, who will also retire a lot, would need even more workers and so on to support them. For which there will be no jobs and accordingly there will be more unemployment. Therefore, I don’t really believe in demographic pits, it’s an excuse for bureaucrats do, but just pull the headstock from people.
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K April 8 2016 08: 22
          -4
          Therefore, I don’t believe in demographic pits

          Demographic pits are dry numbers, not a concept from the category of believe-do not believe
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 8 2016 09: 41
          +11
          instead of avoiding pv, it would be better to increase the number of jobs and make employers pay white

          I agree with you, talking about raising the retirement age in the country is possible only when the country's economy does not have enough workers. On the contrary, we are seeing a decline.
          According to the Ministry of Labor, over the same period of 2015, the growth of official unemployment in Russia was 5% higher and amounted to 12%. At the same time, according to the Ministry, the unemployment rate in 2016 will be within 6,3%.
          In February, it was reported that the number of unemployed in Russia, according to official figures, exceeded one million people.
          Only one conclusion can be drawn from this, the government tried to solve the problem of a lack of money in the budget at the expense of the people, it did not work, now they are solving the same problems, but in other ways less open to public opinion.
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        4. your1970
          your1970 April 10 2016 11: 19
          0
          "I don't believe in demographic pits"
          in the war in our area DOES NOT BACK 4652 man(of 12 000 of the entire population) - and their unborn children are the very same DEMOGRAPHIC PIT.
          So here besides bureaucrats (as you say) - Hitler also worked hard (which everyone forgets) ...
      4. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K April 8 2016 08: 13
        -7
        survival rate or age of survival (it is the term of survival) - this is the time interval after which a person SHOULD, according to the findings of the specialists of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, DIE,

        Judging by the definition given to the author, he is an absolute layman in the issue of which he writes. He does not even understand the elementary principles of the formation and use of pension fund funds. About the age of survival, I generally keep quiet.
        1. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets April 8 2016 09: 57
          +8
          Judging by the definition given to the author, he is an absolute layman in the issue of which he writes. He does not even understand the elementary principles of the formation and use of pension fund funds.

          The principle of the formation and use of pension fund funds is the naibi of a pensioner.
          P.S. The staff of the Pension Fund of Russia is 121 670 people, + considerable property. If the heavy burden of maintaining this "effective" structure is removed from the state, then pensions can be added.
        2. IS-80
          IS-80 April 8 2016 10: 05
          +1
          Quote: Nikolai K
          Judging by the definition given to the author, he is an absolute layman in the issue of which he writes. He does not even understand the elementary principles of the formation and use of pension fund funds. About the age of survival, I generally keep quiet.

          The article is extremely populist and illiterate. The author tries to manipulate public opinion by directing it in the right direction. But if you dig a little deeper here you can see the protruding ears of the oligarchic regime in which journalist Volodin is on a salary. Such articles diligently circumvent the real source of problems - the oligarchic-capitalist predatory regime.
          You must see the apparatus of the fund shake up. There you have to break the whole system, otherwise you won’t change anything. It is only in beautiful dreams that everything happens without wars, struggles, clashes between social groups, sometimes terribly bloody, with the help of statues, posters and other rallies and processions upon request. In real life, this does not happen. Never those who are successful in the current system will not change anything in it to help those who are unsuccessful if they are not forced to force. The maximum you can count on miserable handouts from momentary pity or to prevent an excessive build-up of discontent among the people.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS April 8 2016 10: 32
            +10
            Quote: IS-80
            The maximum you can count on miserable handouts from momentary pity or to prevent an excessive build-up of discontent among the people.

            There is nothing even to add, except that the class of the New Bourgeoisie who won the counter-revolution will lobby exclusively for their interests and will not make any concessions until there is a threat of forcible removal from power.
            Read "Dulles' plan", "Let the intellectuals protect Baikal".
            And all the hopes of gullible citizens for a good king, in the person of the president, have no foundation.
      5. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 8 2016 08: 35
        +15
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        As for the "raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation" - in my memory, it has been raised for five years, if not more .. now everyone is raising and raising it .. but it still does not rise ..

        Maybe we should not raise the retirement age, but revise the very provision - the law - on retirement age and pensions: for example, to exclude "monetary" repression and "defeat in rights" for working pensioners? I'm talking about the fact when a working pensioner - i.e. an employee who has reached retirement age - the same PF “takes away” a “piece” of his legal pension, earned by him! ... and deprives him of the accompanying social benefits - in medical care, travel on public transport, discounts and surcharges of all kinds ... etc. Which, due to their age, are not just desirable to him - but necessary!
        And what about raising the retirement age - will it be for state officials? There are none, I think! ... But the most valuable shots! Where should they take a shift? you won’t bring up at once ... Whether the matter is some kind of nito worker ... of such a category that is not provided for by qualification tests! Here are such - they, they say, are themselves born - women are born, and, in a ready-made highly qualified form - right to the machine ... to the levers ... to the controls and te-pe!
        -----------
        Cavemen did not just keep and feed the feeble old people - although it was easier to devour them, and that was the end! ... That's why they got out of the caves, through huts, yurts, huts, ... to high-rise buildings and - aha - to the villas , cottages and palaces! ...
        The continuity of generations - that's what! She is in pensioners, read in old men!
        And for “raising the retirement age” - I read the drafts of the laws being prepared - nothing is visible except primitive greed: if only not to pay, save the “social” on people who gave up their strength and give their lives to this very “society” - the society, the country. ..
        1. Conrad
          Conrad April 8 2016 18: 22
          -1
          Quote: CONTROL
          for example, exclude "monetary" repression and "disenfranchisement" for working pensioners? I'm talking about the fact when a working pensioner - i.e. an employee who has reached retirement age - the same PF “takes away” a “piece” of his legal pension, earned by him! ..

          Let's have no tear in my voice and without tragedy !!! PF not
          Quote: CONTROL
          "takes away" a "piece" of his legal pension
          but simply equalizes his opportunities in the labor market with other participants. Since the reserve of "unsinkability" in the form of a pension puts him (a pensioner) in a knowingly and significantly advantageous position over other workers in the labor market. Roughly speaking, a pensioner is able to dump in wages in the amount of his pension. If we add here that his needs cannot be compared lower than those of young and middle-aged people, due to the absence of disabled children, etc. It turns out that a young worker has no chances to win a job tender for a pensioner. No bourgeois will ever hire a young worker who needs to be paid 1,5 times more if there are willing working pensioners with much lower needs. And then at the forums we all shout in unison about the rupture of working generations and the lack of continuity in the workforce !!!
          1. marshes
            marshes April 8 2016 18: 31
            +3
            Quote: Conrad
            Let's have no tear in my voice and without tragedy !!! PF not

            You do not shift the Ukrainian experience to the Russian Federation, you have different pension systems.
            I judge by aunt in Kharkov.
            Quote: Conrad
            . Roughly speaking, a pensioner is able to dump in pay for the amount of his pension. If we add here that his needs cannot be compared lower than those of young and middle-aged people, due to the lack of disabled children, etc. It turns out that the pensioner has no chance of winning a tender for work, from the word in general. No bourgeois will ever hire a young worker who needs to pay 1,5 times more if there are willing pensioners with much lower needs.

            The pre-retirement man finds a job and the employer does not need a "dried up" pensioner.
            The situation is similar to Kazakhstan, only one difference was introduced in 1998 with the PF and age 58/63, now women are added 60. So you live under socialism.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 8 2016 19: 41
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              The pre-retirement man finds a job and the employer does not need a "dried up" pensioner.

              I will add, it's easier to hire a "silent" guest worker and squeeze out all the "juice".
              Quote: marshes
              The situation is similar to Kazakhstan, only one difference was introduced in 1998 with the PF and age 58/63, now women are added 60. So you live under socialism.

              So Belarusians and Russians, Kirgiz, will "come up" to our "standard" in the near future, by the way, there is much to "grow" 60/63, then perhaps 62/65 we will show you, Kazakhstan. laughing
      6. k1995
        k1995 April 8 2016 09: 01
        +14
        Work as an accountant for 12 years. At the enterprise, several people retired during this time. Two simply cried after talking with employees of the FIU, and one by the way from the miners. Here are two proofs for you.
      7. although
        although April 8 2016 09: 56
        +12
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        An article like "let it be w @ h". Article minus, too much chernukha and little evidence (they, that is, none at all).

        What proof is needed? proof in your sewers, literally! The other day the dishwasher got clogged, pulled out from the pipe something in between a sealant, "slime" and thick yogurt, with a fist in size. The substance is monolithic, does not dissolve with any "chemistry" and does not care about boiling water either.
        I asked a friend chemist-biologist what kind of garbage is unknown, and not alive wink He says the palm fats we eat! And if in a dishwasher for 4 years, despite the boiling water and chemistry, then what do we have in the vessels? And how long will you live with this?
        And what does the pension have to do with it? And who does not prohibit manufacturers from manufacturing food products based on TECHNICAL palm oil? and for what?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 8 2016 10: 40
          -5
          Quote: Makar
          And what does the pension have to do with it?

          - here, I would like to ask you about the same .. belay

          Quote: Makar
          Who does not prohibit manufacturers from manufacturing food products based on TECHNICAL palm oil? and for what?

          - everything .. rushed .. maslosrod @ h here already somehow was .. a year ago, EMNIP lol
      8. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 8 2016 10: 11
        +9
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        An article like "let it be w @ h".


        Well, why wed @ h. The author substantiates his completely legitimate interest in how the funds of the Pension Fund are spent. Maybe it’s really time to figure out the costs of PF? Why do they have a constant minus in balance? If pension savings are such a loss-making business, then why are private pension funds constantly being created?
        All over the world, pension accumulations have always been a tidbit for which everyone and everybody fought (from the mafia to bankers).
        Because pension savings are almost always big and poorly controlled money.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 8 2016 10: 56
          -5
          Quote: Hlavaty
          The author substantiates his completely legitimate interest in how the funds of the Pension Fund are spent

          Are you talking about this?

          The FIU in its closeness will give odds to any organization, including even special services ...

          In short: where is the money, Zin! .. Where do they go? Is there at least some transparency in their dynamics. Or transparency at bitumen level?

          Based on these phrases, I get a slightly different conclusion:

          - the author is in question .. not copenhagen laughing
          - but I want to write something .. therefore a catchy headline is drawn, right away we come up with our own definition of the term of survival .. etc.

          I did not say, by the way, that they do not steal in the PFR (they steal, they steal ..). But the FIU is an ordinary state organization. Reports are published, there is a website, someone is doing an external audit .. and all this can be found, see .. especially to a journalist yes

          All I said is the author is an amateur, and the article is a draft (...) to the rotator.

          No more request
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 April 8 2016 12: 08
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            All that I said - the author is an amateur, and the article is a sketch

            The humanist is trying to hang noodles on people's ears, to the best of his rather weak intellect and the same mathematical education, trying to juggle numbers. laughing
      9. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 8 2016 10: 57
        +16
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        too much chernukha and little evidence (they, that is, none at all).
        Clickable hi
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null April 8 2016 11: 16
          -5
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          too much chernukha and little evidence (they, that is, none at all)

          - this related to the article. Do you have any objections in essence?

          By demotivator:

          - it doesn’t work, under the given conditions, 5 rubles. It turns out more (one and a half times approximately) laughingand with capitalization of interest - almost four times ..
          - you can check here: http://fincalculator.ru/kalkulyator-vkladov
          - after that, I can't believe in the "answer of the pension fund" (6700 rubles / month) .. for some reason request
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K April 8 2016 17: 57
            +4
            You are also bad at math. If annually for 29 years to contribute 35600 rubles at 10% per annum, then taking into account the annual capitalization of interest (ie, interest on interest) by the end of the term will amount to 5 rubles. (for anyone interested, in Excel the function is called "BS" future value), i.e. the author of the demotivator was close to the truth. But he is also mistaken about something. It should be understood that the value of money now and in 291 years is two big differencesdue to inflation, etc. Actually because the bank pays 10% per annum. If we bring the value of money in 29 years to the current time period, they will need to be divided into 9,37 (at the same rate of 10% per annum). That is, 43000 rub. in 29 years it will be equivalent to 4589 of the current rubles. Whereas in the pension fund he was counted as many as 6700 rubles (in the PF they call figures in current prices).
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      11. Nick
        Nick April 8 2016 12: 03
        +4
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        As for the "raising the retirement age in the Russian Federation" - in my memory, it has been raised for five years, if not more .. now everyone is raising and raising it .. but it still does not rise ..

        While they are talking about an increase, in the quiet they increase the age of survival, and this, in fact, reduces the size of the pension. There is no such mass phenomenon in Russia as men over 80 years. But in the FIU, for some reason there is a different opinion ...
      12. weksha50
        weksha50 April 8 2016 12: 19
        +8
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        And this "pit" now takes place in the Russian Federation. That does not have the best effect, including on the filling of the Pension Fund.



        Um ... I am always very respectful of your comments ...

        However, in this case I have to object a little ... Demographic hole, problems with filling PF ...

        But what about the regular (once every two or three years) plundering of this fund for billions ??? And the absence of the guilty ???

        I can't give you any links, it's a matter of dynamics and time, but such "news" shouldn't have passed you by ...

        So THERE IS WHAT TO STEAL ??? !!!
        And, rightly so, after multi-billion dollar thefts, problems arise with the "filling" of the PF ...

        PS Minus - did not set, just explained his position on this issue ...
      13. vlbelugin
        vlbelugin April 8 2016 13: 37
        0
        I agree with you. The author is lying. Now I went asked the appointees of pensions. The survival period as it was is 228 months, which is equal to 19 years.
        I myself work in the FIU (automation). I only eat black caviar, I bought a villa in the Bahamas. laughing
        And about saving money, especially for the "advanced" I can say that there is savings, BUT ONLY wages. From these savings and bonuses come. And the funds for pensions and wages are completely different things.
        To write this you need to know the subject.
        I would never work in the FIU if it were not for a military pension and the children have already grown up. For some reason, from all the PFR BLAG, all the automation systems are running and I do not blame them. They need to feed their families, and merchants have a good automatizer and receive well.
        So who likes PFR awards. Come to work for us. fellow
      14. boris117
        boris117 April 8 2016 21: 07
        0
        "Where are you going ?! Your age is over" This is Mr. Medvedev going to say so to our fathers and grandfathers, while within the framework of the law. The government is preparing an anti-human law in medicine. Old people over 72 years old will be sent for an initial appointment with a paramedic. [Arguments of the week # 13 (504) page 7]. Even during the war, they didn't save that much. This must have gone down to what an example they show to children! Old people and grandfathers will not even be allowed to see doctors. It has long been necessary to dismiss this Mr. Medvedev from the civil service altogether.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 8 2016 21: 12
          +3
          Quote: boris117
          This is Mr. Medvedev is going to say so to our fathers

          How old are you? Aren't you so naive?
    3. The black
      The black April 8 2016 06: 25
      +8
      This is a statistical term, and quite old (from Soviet times, for sure), and is used not only in pension legislation, but also in insurance in general ... so why they focus on it here is unclear ....... I am much it is more alarming when government officials call people "human capital." And this is the entire population of the country, children and youth as well. Capital, as you know, is not its own boss. Capital has an owner, and it can do a lot with its capital. What you want. smile
      1. the polar
        the polar April 8 2016 07: 01
        +3
        Quote: Black
        This is a statistical term, and quite old (since Soviet times, for sure)

        There were no such cannibalistic terms in Soviet times. In Soviet times, any pensioner could simply calculate the size of his pension, but today's pensioner is deprived of this because of hundreds of all kinds of bureaucratic "regulations, additions, internal documents, etc.", about which he has no idea. Therefore, no one today knows whether his pension was correctly counted or cheated.
        1. The black
          The black April 8 2016 07: 26
          +4
          There were no such cannibalistic terms in Soviet times.
          But who told you that the term is cannibalistic? This is a mathematical term used in calculations. By saying that it was not in the USSR, you show your complete incompetence in this matter. It was calculated in the USSR under the tsar-priest ... from about 18 ... some year, I won’t say more precisely ... And it was used both in medicine and in insurance and in other calculations ... You have probably heard such a term as FORECAST .... so, it is used not only in the context of the word weather smile .... And any forecast is calculated according to formulas in which various, including and coefficients, including such ...
        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K April 8 2016 08: 29
          -11%
          In Soviet times, there was no such inflation as it is now. More precisely, she was, but they kept quiet about it. Plus, in the USSR, the state did not care at all about how to save money for retirement, let the young people have a headache about it. And these Soviet workers grew old and it turned out that the USSR did not save them money, they had few children, 1-2, and even want to retire early in 55 years, but at the same time receive a pension like in Germany. How many hoteloks at once? You already decide what you want, receive a decent pension or work less.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik April 8 2016 09: 53
            +13
            Quote: Nikolai K
            in the USSR, the state didn’t care at all about how to save money for retirement, let the young people have a headache about it

            Why didn't he care? Deductions came from the salary. Only then there were no "gray" salaries and deductions came from all working.
            And then they gave birth to more children than now. The population growth was constant. And now for about 25 years there has been almost no increase in population. Over the past 2 years, perhaps due to the accession of Crimea.
        3. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K April 8 2016 10: 22
          +14
          Quote: Polar
          Quote: Black
          This is a statistical term, and quite old (since Soviet times, for sure)

          There were no such cannibalistic terms in Soviet times. In Soviet times, any pensioner could simply calculate the size of his pension, but today's pensioner is deprived of this because of hundreds of all kinds of bureaucratic "regulations, additions, internal documents, etc.", about which he has no idea. Therefore, no one today knows whether his pension was correctly counted or cheated.

          You are not right. I took documents on calculating the size of the pension and calculated everything perfectly. Just have to read carefully. Or do you think that pension fund employees and programmers who make up calculation programs are smarter than other people?
          Another thing is the presence of a coefficient limiting the size of the pension. That is, no matter how much I earned in the past, I will not receive a pension above a certain amount. In short, the current pension of ordinary citizens is three times less than it should be.
          But the pensions of civil servants, deputies, ministers and those equated to them are simply enormous. I believe that they all need to accrue the pension of ordinary citizens, because they did not and do not perform any feats of labor at work, but simply work and for their "hard" work they receive a very large salary, which should also be significantly reduced. Something I did not notice that the deputies and ministers would die from their "hard" work right at their workplaces.
          1. your1970
            your1970 April 10 2016 11: 31
            0
            "But the pensions of civil servants, deputies, ministers and those equated to them are simply enormous."

            When you write next time, specify the civil servants of what level (apparently not lower than the deputy minister) you mean, otherwise we get 12 thousands and something they don’t consider HUGE.I have shining within 14 thousands - and what this will mean in 14 years no one knows ... A huge pension, I will not save ...
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 April 8 2016 14: 54
          +1
          Quote: Polar
          There were no such cannibalistic terms in Soviet times.

          It is not necessary to declare so categorically. The term "age of survival" has always been used in the field of state insurance when concluding contracts of life and health insurance. I declare this to you, as a person who has a specialty in the diploma "State insurance". In the classroom on the topic "Accounting in Gosstrakh", even the tasks were on the topic: to calculate the term and amount of contributions under the contract, while taking into account the age of the insured. A person could conclude a contract at the age of 60 or 70 years, but in order to correctly calculate the validity the contract and the amount of contributions were taken into account precisely age of survival.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 April 8 2016 12: 46
        +2
        Quote: Black
        Capital, as you know, is not its own owner. Capital has a master, and he can do a lot of things with his capital. What is desired.



        In Soviet political economy, this was called "human resources" (able-bodied population, without children and the elderly) ... Now - with human capital ...

        Old pensioners do not fit either the Soviet or the modern definition ...
        People like Prokhorov, Kasyanov, Kudrin call them openly "ballast", not capital ...

        PS Well, what about the fact that they do whatever they want with this "capital" and "NON-capital" - that's another conversation, no less lengthy and voluminous ...
    4. Maksus
      Maksus April 8 2016 07: 42
      -1
      Ha ha If we shake them up, we will only get hungry local officials who will begin to be saturated first.
      Theft can be defeated only by preventive executions, that is, several officials / deputies / ministers are executed by random sampling at a certain period of time. And let the rest be afraid.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo April 8 2016 08: 25
      +3
      Isn’t it time, instead of yet another attempt to justify the upcoming increase in the retirement age, to shake (until through “I”) the apparatus of the same Fund, which itself sets incomprehensible “survival” levels and, presumably, is glad that the majority of pensioners still live to these levels unreal.

      I agree. How to reduce queues in clinics? It was all developed in the 80s.
      There is a "red flag technology. A patient on the clinic site." Test questions, according to the answers to which, if the patient's condition is relatively satisfactory and he is active, he can move independently, the computer will tell you which specialist you need to contact. Something like a programmed survey.
      For example: a headache. With certain control questions, the computer will tell you who to contact: a dentist, neurologist or therapist.
      Yes, in the elderly and older than 40 years, in general, a common problem is increased blood pressure. The therapist should select the dose and the drug. After an additional examination: daily monitoring of blood pressure and ECG, Cardio-ultrasound, etc., the issue of additional consultations with an arrhythmologist, cardiologist, etc. is resolved. It’s not entirely right to dump everything on the average medical staff. For example: if the blood sugar level is not adjusted, then the pressure will never drop. Diuretics for regulating blood pressure can drive a patient to the grave. We need constant monitoring, medical monitoring.
      All health. Remember, movement is life. Morning exercises for an elderly person are more important than any medicine.
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    7. siberalt
      siberalt April 8 2016 10: 08
      +5
      I don’t know how in Moscow, but in Siberia, pensioners are considered almost well-to-do. I retired on a seniority pension at 40. My pension was four times the salary of my wife, the head teacher of a high school. Mom is 95, there is enough pension (there are savings). But the fact that the FIU is chic is an outrage. Such a number of palaces and staff are supported by the pension contributions of citizens. The fact that there is a "black hole" and do not need to go to the ass.
      1. 24hours
        24hours April 8 2016 10: 31
        -10%
        Quote: siberalt
        But the fact that the FIU is flaunting is disgraceful.

        Disgrace, this is what it is possible for a huge army of healthy foreheads to "retire", but in fact just sit on the neck of the population, at 43-45 years old. I do not know why their health has been undermined (except for the liver), that they have to pay their pension ahead of schedule, and not like all other men.
        At the same time, the pensions of these foreheads are completely different from those of the "men" of both sexes who support them. And salaries, too.
    8. Prager
      Prager April 8 2016 11: 24
      0
      shake the most cruel way!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 8 2016 13: 54
        +4
        The point is that the entire pension system is unfair. In a good way you need to radically different:
        1. Eliminate all intermediaries. Pensions pay directly from the budget.
        2.To stop financial repression - make a pension equal to the salary in the last place of work.
        3. Pensions should be accrued only from state money. A citizen should not give his own, because if he does not live to retirement, it turns out that the state has robbed him.
        4. Constantly recount the pension for all financial demonic whistles. The purchasing power of a pension should always be unshakably equal to that at the time payments began.
        5. Constant increase of pensions as a measure of stimulation of longevity.
        6. Pension should be paid always, without any age of survival there. This hateful term itself should be prohibited, and its authors should be judged in all severity.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 8 2016 14: 00
          +4
          Quote: Basarev
          Basarev

          Interesting offer .
          Our oak-headed government forgets that increasing pensions stimulates domestic demand and, accordingly, reviving the economy.
          1. Amurskiy
            Amurskiy April 10 2016 02: 20
            0
            And salaries, too, with salaries on shifts of 15-20t.r neither demand nor funds. And this is without salaries in an envelope.
    9. ava09
      ava09 April 8 2016 13: 50
      +3
      Quote: Red_Hamer
      PF doesn’t offend itself, palaces all over Russia have been rebuilt.
      Isn’t it time, instead of yet another attempt to justify the impending increase in the retirement age, to shake (until through “I”) the apparatus of the very Fund
      Here, dear thing! Even as it should, yesterday!

      It’s stupid to try to snake to chop heads one by one, new ones grow in their place. It is no less stupid to fight with individual divisions of the SYSTEM (not primary, especially), and not with the SYSTEM itself.
    10. ver_
      ver_ April 10 2016 07: 24
      0
      ... this should be done by a "machine" without the participation of any human factor, because this factor is a "weak link", because it has a "weakness" for "despicable metal", and the higher it sits, the more "weakness prevails" ..
  2. BNVSurgut
    BNVSurgut April 8 2016 05: 41
    +1
    Does NPF have the same scheme for calculating monthly payments?
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    2. a.hamster55
      a.hamster55 April 8 2016 06: 53
      +1
      NPFs also have 20 years of survival: + there is capitalization of the deposit and the right to inherit the balance;
      (-) subject to income tax
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 8 2016 13: 55
        +1
        In general, it would be good to rely once and for all to abolish all taxes - as in the DPRK. Back in 78 they canceled it and they lived excellently. The horror began later when the Union fell.
        1. yehat
          yehat April 8 2016 14: 01
          +1
          along with taxes, profit was banned there laughing
  3. knyazru
    knyazru April 8 2016 05: 55
    +1
    The article is another attack on the fan. So consider all over the world, what is the problem then? Life expectancy is growing (is that bad?), In accordance with this, adjustments are introduced. And the fact that there are some kind of mad grandmother disappearing somewhere, where is the evidence? Either lay out the evidence or this is a sketch in the style of one grandmother said, the favorite method of white-bellies and overseas neglects ...
    1. Cams
      Cams April 8 2016 06: 03
      -29%
      But really, where is the proof?
      Maybe the money is used correctly! After all, there is inflation and so on ...
      Without evidence, the article is not complete.
      1. DIMA45R
        DIMA45R April 8 2016 07: 13
        +17
        After all, there is inflation and so on ...

        Money does not lie there in dead weight, but is scrolled on exchanges, invested in profitable stocks, given away for growth by management companies, etc. generally more profitable than% of bank deposits. But reporting is vague, and profit is not accountable at all ...

        As there is in Prostokvashino: A cow on receipt of one .... and all that she gives milk and calves ....
        1. godun
          godun April 8 2016 09: 04
          +5
          Therefore, such secrecy in the FIU.
      2. ava09
        ava09 April 8 2016 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: KAMLS
        But really, where is the proof?
        Maybe the money is used correctly! After all, there is inflation and so on ...
        Without evidence, the article is not complete.

        If you are "blind", and besides, "deaf", what is "proof" to you? And the brain is also needed to "digest" information in the event that it somehow leaks out ...
      3. dfcbkbq1974
        dfcbkbq1974 April 8 2016 17: 02
        +1
        Hello, but the proof in the resorts of Egypt, Greece and other countries, where our ordinary civilian pensioner, after retiring at 65 years old, unfortunately the way is ordered. Sincerely.
        1. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 April 8 2016 22: 39
          -3
          Continue to live an amoeba! And whoever worked for the good received it - but the Wishlist is higher! fellow
          1. dfcbkbq1974
            dfcbkbq1974 April 8 2016 23: 57
            +3
            Sorry, you certainly have never been an amoeba, but I’m sorry for such a fate, to work for the good. Best regards, Firefighter PJ-238 MOSOBLPOZHSPAS Vasily Vasilyevich Rozhkov.
      4. for
        for April 8 2016 22: 33
        0
        Quote: KAMLS

        Cams
        (1)

        Today, 06: 03

        ↑ ↓


        But really, where is the proof?

        A LIFE!!!
      5. for
        for April 8 2016 22: 33
        0
        Quote: KAMLS

        Cams
        (1)

        Today, 06: 03

        ↑ ↓


        But really, where is the proof?

        A LIFE!!!
    2. populist
      populist April 8 2016 06: 51
      +6
      Or lay out the evidence

      You wrote the Russian language in an article that
      for the FIU in its closeness will give odds to any organization, including even special services.
    3. Cube123
      Cube123 April 8 2016 06: 53
      +1
      Quote: knyazru
      The article is another attack on the fan.

      This is not a sketch. This is an elementary economic illiteracy of the author. Alexei writes very interesting sometimes, but when it comes to economics, he often carries a blizzard.

      On the subject: this year I will be applying for a pension. Many friends have completed it over the past year. I had to deal with the principles of its accrual. My opinion is that the main problem of PF is not in pensioners who live for too long. The main problem is in "envelope" salaries. If we put things in order here, then, at first glance, it is easy, at times, to increase income to the Pension Fund and, accordingly, to increase the pension several times. But, in the economy, everything is interconnected. And a quick solution of this problem by "force" methods will lead to a massive closure of economically weak enterprises, which, in turn, will reduce the total collection of fees to the Pension Fund and aggravate the situation in the state due to a surge in mass unemployment.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 8 2016 09: 00
        +10
        Quote: Cube123
        The main problem is in "envelope" salaries. If we put things in order here, then, at first glance, it is easy, at times, to increase income to the Pension Fund and, accordingly, to increase the pension several times. But, in the economy, everything is interconnected. And a quick solution of this problem by "force" methods will lead to a massive closure of economically weak enterprises, which, in turn, will reduce the total collection of fees to the Pension Fund and aggravate the situation in the state due to a surge in mass unemployment.

        "...-What if?...
        - Do not!
        - Maybe?..
        - Not worth it!
        - Then let's ...
        - But this - try it! ... "(C) (" to / f "The Diamond Arm")

        Where does the salary "in envelopes" come from, is it "gray", "black" and other colors? ...
        Of the wild taxation carried out - sorry ...- by the state!
        -------
        Maybe to start to change something from the philharmonic? ...
        1. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 April 8 2016 22: 45
          0
          The son-in-law's father was very surprised that after the salary in the envelope: 60 TR he was accrued a pension in 14 TR - surprise however!
    4. Nix1986
      Nix1986 April 8 2016 07: 08
      +11
      Worldwide?! Well, let me give you examples: in South Korea, many companies have very good incentive payments, when a person who has reached retirement age pays a substantial premium for him to retire and give a job to a young employee. Or Western Europe, where it has become a tradition that a retired person can immediately pick up his capitalized pension (together with interest), buy real estate for them, then rent it out, and live with relatives and travel from the rent, and upon his death, his children inherit this property. Probably you mean the countries of Africa, then I agree with you.
      1. 2014ya.ru
        2014ya.ru April 8 2016 07: 30
        -1
        For how long, i.e. "AGE OF LIFE" A person in Western gayrope can take back their capitalized pension.
        Who determines how long this person will live?
        1. Come on
          Come on April 9 2016 06: 28
          0
          Even about 40-45 years of experience.
      2. yehat
        yehat April 8 2016 14: 03
        +2
        Payments in Korea have several goals. The release of space is not the only one.
        For example, this is a gratitude to the company for a long and faithful work, something like a length of service.
        1. Nix1986
          Nix1986 April 8 2016 14: 37
          +6
          Yes, in general, no difference, lately it has become very fashionable to talk about our many friends in Africa, North Korea, etc. on the news. and compare our standard of living with theirs. And how actively we forgive them debts, while our many citizens flew in with foreign currency loans. But the firm handshake of which thread of the African leader is much more important than the mortgage debt of some family, we have many families who consider them, but there is one African Barmaley.
          1. Come on
            Come on April 9 2016 06: 32
            +1
            Well, 37 lards of greenery were forgiven for Cuba, and for this Raul did not allow Barak to slap himself on the shoulder. Also something by the way! wassat
    5. the polar
      the polar April 8 2016 07: 18
      +7
      Quote: knyazru
      The article is another attack on the fan. So consider all over the world, what is the problem then? Life expectancy is growing (is that bad?), In accordance with this, adjustments are introduced. And the fact that there are some kind of mad grandmother disappearing somewhere, where is the evidence? Either lay out the evidence or this is a sketch in the style of one grandmother said, the favorite method of white-bellies and overseas neglects ...

      And the evidence lies on the surface, you paid ours - the defender of democracy.
      First evidence; The FTS collects taxes less than 40% of the base, while at the same time it annually and unlawfully takes offshore about trillion $ (approximately 80bn / month), thereby reducing the tax base of about billions by 400 $.
      Second; more than 30% of hired workers in Russia work without an entry in the work book, and therefore without deductions to the "pension fund". The small and medium-sized businessman, the "support of the existing system", puts the saved money into his pocket. In 10 years, when these hired workers retire, the problem may result in a social explosion, but the current government does not care. Apparently she expects by that time to go to ... warm lands.
    6. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 8 2016 08: 52
      +7
      Quote: knyazru
      The article is another attack on the fan. So consider all over the world, what is the problem then? Life expectancy is growing (is that bad?), In accordance with this, adjustments are introduced. And the fact that there are some kind of mad grandmother disappearing somewhere, where is the evidence? Either lay out the evidence or this is a sketch in the style of one grandmother said, the favorite method of white-bellies and overseas neglects ...

      When you start to draw up documents "for the appointment of an old-age pension" - as it is officially called - you will come across all the "evidence" you are looking for ... and with "mad money" ... "corrections" ... and so on and so forth! ...
      --------------
      In such cases, the people ask (excuse me in advance!): "It has been a long time since mo. rd-o-th fell into the mud"? ... "
    7. Baloo
      Baloo April 10 2016 21: 33
      +1
      While I was in force, I worked at 2, sometimes at 6 jobs, some on duty 10 a month, and again with a command to wave a saber to the machine. It happened for three or more days in a row. Once I didn’t sleep for 5 days, got up from an emergency room, lay down to take a nap and after 15-20 minutes woke up from the fact that I wasn’t breathing and the last heart beat and a pause. I thought languidly: I’ll die, they say they’ve drunk to death, we have so kind people. The chest scalded and felt pressure, the whole body seemed to creep in all directions. Made myself breathe. On the 5th breath, the heart responded, then again. They say all life at such moments flies before my eyes. I had the feeling that I was flying down through the branches of an autumn forest, through the ground, through the roots. After the third attack, I woke a colleague. The cardio team arrived quickly, blood pressure 90/60 (usually 140/80), pulse 52 (usually 80). The cardiologist explained something confused about metabolic disorders. Overwork, that's all. Now I’m 59, a year ago I already refused duty. Hypertension, diabetes, back pain, retribution. I had to leave the department, where I worked for more than half my life, on paper chore. Lost in salary, work has become more.
      So you say life expectancy is increasing? And who checked her by profession?
      Increasing retirement age is a mistake. People have already limited access to education and healthcare. Deputies need to increase the retirement age. Pension fund employees also need to increase. And in general, you are not afraid that the people in the streets will begin to sing in chorus: elections, elections, deputies .... s?
  4. Mihail29
    Mihail29 April 8 2016 06: 03
    +16
    It’s interesting where it’s passed the level that officials or organizations begin to notice that the regulatory authorities paid attention to them. If I’m not mistaken about the insolent governor of Sakhalin it became known two years ago (both journalists and the popular front said) and that, the prosecutor’s office was silent, he had a pocket on the Sakhalin Ministry of Internal Affairs, Putin at the conference only advised me not to spend money on self-promotion in the media , and to kindergartens. And this Khoroshavin ruled his principality for a whole year and continued to steal. The same thing with the FIU is a completely impudent organization, which shares with many federal officials.

    PS I would like to live when this organization will also cross this bar ...
    1. godun
      godun April 8 2016 11: 51
      +3
      Quote: Michael29
      It’s interesting where it’s passed the level that officials or organizations begin to notice that the regulatory authorities paid attention to them. If I’m not mistaken about the insolent governor of Sakhalin it became known two years ago (both journalists and the popular front said) and that, the prosecutor’s office was silent, he had a pocket on the Sakhalin Ministry of Internal Affairs, Putin at the conference only advised me not to spend money on self-promotion in the media , and to kindergartens. And this Khoroshavin ruled his principality for a whole year and continued to steal. The same thing with the FIU is a completely impudent organization, which shares with many federal officials.

      PS I would like to live when this organization will also cross this bar ...

      We have other organizations and individuals (to put it mildly) with uncontrolled expenses, such as RUSNANO, Skolkovo, etc. etc. and apparently there aren’t enough bars for everyone, and they steal without fear and insolently.
  5. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 April 8 2016 06: 08
    -1
    Under the hammers of goats of all, it seems that Mikhail Krug sang about these half-humans, half goats, in a word, centaurs ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 19
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir71
      half-people half-goats in one word centaurs ...

      these are the fauns ... half-centaurs.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 8 2016 06: 19
      -5
      Quote: Vladimir71
      half-people half-gantry in a word centaurs

      You mean those, apparently? laughing
      1. godun
        godun April 8 2016 11: 54
        +2
        It would be nice to install this bust before RUSNANO!
    3. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 8 2016 09: 04
      0
      Quote: Vladimir71
      Under the hammers of goats of all, it seems that Mikhail Krug sang about these half-humans, half goats, in a word, centaurs ...

      ... a centaur ... is it a horse's head on a human torso?! ...
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 April 8 2016 09: 32
        +4
        ... a centaur ... is it a horse's head on a human torso?! ...
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
        No, on the contrary. But zh.py, I assure you, the same. : =)
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 April 8 2016 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Quote: Vladimir71
        half-people half-goats in one word centaurs ...

        these are the fauns ... half-centaurs.

        Quote: CONTROL
        ..A centaur ... is it a horse's head on a human body?! ...

        Quote: guzik007
        No, on the contrary. But zh.py, I assure you, the same. : =)

        - All so reminded. One word is Romanian!
        - Who?
        - Kirkorov.
        - He is a Bulgarian!
        - What's the difference! (c) movie "Brother-2" laughing
  6. fa2998
    fa2998 April 8 2016 06: 10
    +16
    Let the Pension Fund not worry! In our provinces, men do not live up to such a fantastic average age (79,5 g). We have both the environment, working conditions, and medical care and poverty being driven to the grave much earlier, rarely passes for 70. And THIS (FROM THE STATE POINT OF VIEW) - SAVING FUNDS)! laughing hi
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 22
      +7
      Quote: fa2998
      rarely anyone goes beyond 70

      yes you have long-livers! apparently not so bad ecology! wassat
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 8 2016 12: 06
        +3
        yes you have long-livers! apparently not so bad ecology!
        No, probably there is no medicine at all. "Thanks" to this village medicine, I buried my mother-in-law this year, b *** healers.
      2. yehat
        yehat April 8 2016 14: 09
        +7
        on the periphery mocks retirees disgusting medical care
        many diseases that can be treated quickly are often not treated for various reasons
        for example: there is no money to treat pensioners with a regular pension for teeth, nutritional problems begin-> problems with digestion and vines-> chronic diseases -> dosvidos
        not enough pension for fresh food, meat, etc.? avitaminosis-> dosvidos
        got cancer? -> unaffordable price of treatment and diagnostics even in the early stages -> dosvidos
        fell ill with something that weakens or reduces mobility? dosvidos!
        this is how pensioners live.
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul April 8 2016 14: 38
          +5
          yehat
          You have correctly indicated everything, exactly so. I personally came across this when my mother-in-law fell ill, the local police escort prescribed diuretic injections and sent home, saying that we would put you on the waiting list for an in-patient examination, and died in the district hospital we drove ourselves (ambulance *** wait) from pneumonia. According to the father-in-law, they only this year, 12 people died during the winter.
  7. sl22277
    sl22277 April 8 2016 06: 12
    +11
    The expenses for pensioners in PF have been calculated, but who will count the parish? And where did this "loot" go? They are constantly trying to make the pension system fair, but nothing has been done. It is high time to shake up the apparatus of the pension fund itself. Author's rights: "Herod's" pensioners began to live for a long time ....
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 20
      +5
      I recall the scene at the entrance of the plant, from the movie "everything will be fine" (it seems? Ulyanov is not there, in a wheelchair, went to town for "truth"? I may confuse it, but -), when the grandfather died right at the "turntable" - on pension came out...
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      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 39
        +3
        like this....
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy April 9 2016 13: 34
          +1
          Andrey Yuryevich, everything is fine.
          A guy saved 40 years of shit and choked on them. According to Senka cap, take care of yourself.
  8. Alex66
    Alex66 April 8 2016 06: 16
    +21
    The problem now is a common one, not only for Russia, but also in the world, there is no alternative system that existed in the USSR, thanks to which the capitalists gritted their teeth and had to invest in social security. And now there is no need for capitalism everywhere. Here are examples of protests in France and strikes in Greece. I do not think that our bourgeois saints, they also do not want to pay social programs. Everything is just capitalism reduces costs and people we....t.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk April 8 2016 18: 57
      +1
      I agree this is a problem not only for Russia, now I noticed that the topic of pensions and pensions in private conversations is ... well, something like a taboo, people (hard workers) try not to think about it, and if a conversation about it comes, they simply answer " I will not live, rather they will take them out from work with their feet ", and then the thought appears" And there will be where to "take out" after say fifty-five ... ".
  9. Kachesgm
    Kachesgm April 8 2016 06: 20
    +5
    For all! Often the only source of funds for investment projects with a payback period of over 12 years is a pension fund. Well, the business does not want to look so far! Some scientific projects are fed from there ...
  10. Cat man null
    Cat man null April 8 2016 06: 23
    +7
    And the question is as simple as five cents:

    - who and with what regularity conducts an audit of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation
    - where you can see the results of this audit

    And all yes
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL April 8 2016 09: 08
      +3
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      And the question is as simple as five cents:

      - who and with what regularity conducts an audit of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation

      ... Grandfather Fir!
      ... no one saw him ...
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 8 2016 10: 35
      +11
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      And the question is as simple as five cents:

      - who and with what regularity conducts an audit of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation
      - where you can see the results of this audit

      And all yes

      Maybe we’ll start from the Kremlin? Have you seen the Kremlin audit? And now simpler: You are an audit of your company, where you have worked at least once. Address to the chief accountant and the director or the owner and you will precisely determine the direction in which you need to stomp with a letter of resignation.
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null April 8 2016 12: 46
      -3
      Quote: CONTROL
      ... Grandfather Fir!
      ... no one saw him ...

      - that is, you want to say that a state organization with an annual income of more than 6 trillion. rubles nobody checks? Allow not to believe ..

      Quote: Алексей_К
      Have you seen the Kremlin audit? ... You are an audit of your company, where you have seen at least once

      - audit (audit, more precisely) is a process. It is a report of the external auditor on the results of the audit. However, for you this is obviously indifferent laughing
      - results of audits - seen, and repeatedly. They are, in fact, published wink

      Here, I’ve found it specially for you, according to the FIU for 2015 (the website of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation, http://results.audit.gov.ru/grbs-fact-group/?grbs=69e05ae5bed79ca1bea6807911a50b


      21&d1=2016-01-01&d2=2016-12-31&filter=pp:2016-0~2016-0;pt:all;gt:fact_sum;gr:1;g


      g:;ct:table;s1:d1;tt:fact_group_by_fact;s2:d2;f2:;f2d:)
  11. Gurinov Nikolay
    Gurinov Nikolay April 8 2016 06: 24
    +4
    That's right. You have to ask the president a question! And about work, too, where is the work?
    1. the polar
      the polar April 8 2016 07: 26
      +11
      Quote: Nikolay Gurinov
      That's right. You have to ask the president a question! And about work, too, where is the work?

      Try a naive friend to ask the president a question! We look forward to the results!
      1. godun
        godun April 8 2016 12: 12
        +7
        At our place, one nurse tried to ask the president a question, she still spits on her naivety and starts when she recalls, and talks about it in a whisper and looks around ... Naivnyak ...
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        2. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 April 8 2016 22: 25
          0
          My wife, Anna Aleksevvna, is dear and has not abandoned me when they didn’t pay money for 3-4 for a month, she works as a nurse in the military unit of the military unit and her pension is 11t.r. a little but enough.
    2. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul April 8 2016 12: 12
      +1
      That's right. You have to ask the president a question! And about work, too, where is the work?
      You are incredibly lucky, on April 14, the president will draw a direct line. I believe that you will succeed.
      A direct line with Russian President Vladimir Putin, within the framework of which he will traditionally answer questions from Russians, will be held on April 14 for the 14th time.
      "Direct line" with Vladimir Putin 2016: the date of the "direct line" was announced
      The direct bridge with Russian President Vladimir Putin will take place on April 14 at 12.00:XNUMX, the Kremlin press service reports.
  12. DPG
    DPG April 8 2016 06: 24
    -23%
    And what after this age has passed, someone has been refused pension payments ???? I remember my grandmother (her kingdom of heaven) after 80 years old also made a bonus for longevity.
    Takcho exclusively liberest, with an eye on the fall, reconnaissance of the mood of the administration. And so we don’t have working pensioners at all, figs from work you will vomit someone after reaching retirement age.
    1. Volodin
      April 8 2016 06: 35
      +28
      Quote: DPG
      I remember, my grandmother (her kingdom of heaven), after the execution of 80 years, also made a premium for longevity.

      Is this disputed somewhere in the article? The point is that not everyone is as lucky as your grandmother (to live to 80 or more), and that it is impossible to track the further fate of the "survival period" funds.

      Quote: DPG
      figs from work will remove someone after reaching retirement age.

      And you, my dear man, tried to live on 6 thousand (yes, not all, do you know pensioners for 20 thousand the size of the pension) pension, taking into account the need to pay for communal services? That is why people, as you put it, "you will get rid of the figs" - people still want to live after 55 and 60.

      And then they dragged in some kind of "administration" ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 43
        +3
        Quote: Volodin
        And you, my dear man, tried to live on 6 thousand (yes, not all, do you know pensioners for 20 thousand the size of the pension) pension, taking into account the need to pay for communal services? That is why people, as you put it, "you will get rid of the figs" - people still want to live after 55 and 60.

        all the advantages of Alex-yours ... hi
      2. atalef
        atalef April 8 2016 06: 44
        +12
        Quote: Volodin
        Is this disputed somewhere in the article? The point is that not everyone is as lucky as your grandmother (to live to 80 or more), and that it is impossible to track the further fate of the "survival period" funds.

        In general, in any country, the sweet dream of the Ministry of Finance - a pensioner died on the first day of retirement.
        Our men come out with 67th, I'm afraid when my time comes, there will already be 70.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 April 8 2016 09: 18
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          In general, in any country, the sweet dream of the Ministry of Finance - a pensioner died on the first day of retirement.
          Our men come out with 67th, I'm afraid when my time comes, there will already be 70.

          It was 57 years of retirement. Moses Ivanovich Atalef was making a terrible longing for the pension fund of the state of Israel, categorically not wanting to go to a better world and demonstrating rare at his age health and pep. smile
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 10: 22
            +3
            Quote: IS-80
            Quote: atalef
            In general, in any country, the sweet dream of the Ministry of Finance - a pensioner died on the first day of retirement.
            Our men come out with 67th, I'm afraid when my time comes, there will already be 70.

            It was 57 years of retirement. Moses Ivanovich Atalef was making a terrible longing for the pension fund of the state of Israel, categorically not wanting to go to a better world and demonstrating rare at his age health and pep. smile

            I understand everything ... but why is Moses Ivanovich? what lol
            1. atalef
              atalef April 8 2016 18: 01
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              I understand everything ... but why Moses Ivanovich

              Indeed, Alexander Borisovich sounds much better. good
              1. IS-80_RVGK
                IS-80_RVGK April 8 2016 21: 23
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Indeed, Alexander Borisovich sounds much better.

                As I suspect, Alexander Borisovich after good cognac sounds so that both Caruso and Iglesias are resting. laughing
            2. IS-80_RVGK
              IS-80_RVGK April 8 2016 21: 14
              0
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              I understand everything ... but why is Moses Ivanovich?

              For color. smile
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 10: 20
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Our men come out with 67th, I'm afraid when my time comes, there will already be 70.

          I jumped out at 53 (hot) ten days ago ... still do not believe it. fellow drinks
          1. DPG
            DPG April 8 2016 11: 47
            -6
            This is how you are a true pensioner, and confirm or refute the myth of retirement of 6 thousand, put the pay slip for the month of March of this year.
            And the people, including myself, will see how x. R. e. n. about. at. about. live pensioner on a hot grid.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 17: 48
              +6
              Quote: DPG
              This is how you are a true pensioner, and confirm or refute the myth of retirement of 6 thousand, put the pay slip for the month of March of this year.
              And the people, including myself, will see how x. R. e. n. about. at. about. live pensioner on a hot grid.

              what is the sheet from the card? pension is 11.500, there is no secret, but if you subtract the communal apartment) with capex), electric energy, gas, intercom, telephone, etc. (about 8000) it turns out, I can shik on the remaining 3.500, a whole month, in nothing nor denying! fellowtry it! yes(for 100 rubles a day: bread and milk) you can forget about clothes and other "luxury" such as gasoline.
              1. DPG
                DPG April 9 2016 15: 00
                0
                These are all words, everything needs documentary evidence, and it’s like Saakashvili’s bebebebebebebe.
          2. atalef
            atalef April 8 2016 18: 04
            +5
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            I jumped out at 53 (hot) ten days ago ... I still don't believe

            Congratulations, we unfortunately do not have such things, there is no premature exit (to an ordinary pension) - work for at least a lifetime in the foundry.
            Only if the company seems to want to get rid of you. and it’s not possible to dismiss - then it can be sent to a premature retirement.
            And in general, on average, a pension of 75% of the salary.
      3. the polar
        the polar April 8 2016 07: 30
        +6
        Quote: Volodin

        And then they dragged in some kind of "administration" ...

        This is a cadet of the "academy of the FSB" trying. Excellent student of the exam.
        1. DPG
          DPG April 8 2016 11: 42
          -3
          And you apparently student of the culinary college from the confectionery department ?!
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      5. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 April 8 2016 08: 47
        -17%
        Well, how can you omit yourself to receive a pension in 6 TR Among my acquaintances, such pensioners have not met. Maybe from homeless people who get a social network like that?
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 April 8 2016 09: 57
          +18
          My father-in-law worked at an aircraft factory for 38 years, a radio equipment tuner (including a hot grid), retired and received 8300. And my mother-in-law has 14 years of work experience, including caring for a child up to 12 years old (well, she is ascaris), so she pension 8400. And once, while working for my uncle, I went to the PF website, tried their calculator. So, with my salary of 30 thousand, in order to receive a pension of 15 thousand I have to work until I am 75 years old. from me to PF or not. To count on PF is stupid, I have to work until I can live
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 17: 56
          +5
          Quote: a.hamster55
          Well, how can you omit yourself to receive a pension of 6 tr

          this is what kind of moral uro needs to be to make such illiterate and stupid comments. foolaunt at a weather station in the village all his life-5 thousand (five, Karl !!!) pension ... what is it, launched itself ??? or work in the village, the choice, when half the villages are no longer sowing and plowing?
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          2. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 April 8 2016 21: 37
            -4
            Dear Andrey Yuryevich! You obviously live in another country or you get paid for such stuffing! There are no such pensions in Russia - and your aunt is the daughter of an officer from the Crimea !!!
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich April 9 2016 05: 55
              +2
              Quote: a.hamster55
              ! You obviously live in another country

              Well, yes, Ural-not Torzhok, another country ...
              Quote: a.hamster55
              You get paid for such stuffing!

              yes you just ... fool
              Quote: a.hamster55
              There are no such pensions in Russia - and your aunt is the daughter of an officer from the Crimea !!!

              and at first to study a mathematical part poorly? or intentionally (for loot) arrange a provocation? do not answer, you are no longer interesting to me (blacklisted)
              1. atalef
                atalef April 9 2016 06: 55
                +1
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                well, yes, the Ural is not Torzhok, another country ..

                Mom has 30 years of experience (teacher of Russian literature), receives 6500 rubles.
                Minus forwarding (the pension fund transfers once every three months) - in short it turns out 1000 shekels (for 3 months), 330 shekels a month.
                Exactly 10% of the Israeli retirement pension received after 15 years of work here.
      6. DPG
        DPG April 8 2016 11: 36
        -4
        And in the article is it disputed somewhere? The point is that not everyone is so lucky as your grandmother (to live up to 80 or more), and that it is impossible to track the future fate of funds.

        And why in the world do you need this data ???


        And you, my dear man, tried to live on 6 thousand (yes, not all, do you know pensioners for 20 thousand the size of the pension) pension, taking into account the need to pay for communal services? That is why people, as you put it, "you will get rid of the figs" - people still want to live after 55 and 60.

        Is anyone interested in a pension of 6 thousand rubles per month? Or maybe a man of his age lay on the couch and did nothing?

        And then they dragged in some kind of "administration" ... [/ quote]

        Well, with T9 and not so LECTURES can get out the code you write on the run.
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          1. marshes
            marshes April 8 2016 21: 51
            +1
            Quote: a.hamster55
            My mom turned 10 on February 90

            I wish you many more years.
            Quote: a.hamster55
            God forbid she still live with hot water and a warm toilet

            Why isn’t that?
            Quote: a.hamster55
            ! Her pension is about 15 tr + compensation for a communal apartment, as the widow of a participant in the Second World War. So she even gives her granddaughter expensive gifts.

            According to our information, on 5 -75 thousand tenge, I have a neighbor who takes part in the Second World War 105 thousand.
        2. a.hamster55
          a.hamster55 April 8 2016 21: 45
          0
          My Mum 10 February turned 90 years old - God forbid she still live with hot water and a warm toilet! Her pension is about 15 TR + compensation for a communal apartment, as the widow of a participant in the Second World War. So she even gives her granddaughter expensive gifts.
          1. 406ppm2gv
            406ppm2gv April 9 2016 19: 29
            0
            Well, no need to generalize the private. I can also say about my private. My parents, my father is a former military man, my mother is a labor veteran, they do it well, they also support the dacha. I have a "odnushka" 50 sq. m, communal apartment 7 thousand + electric. 500 rubles, TV 300 rubles, internet 650, in total, about 8.500. So my wife and I think, even together, that we will not be able to afford this apartment. don't forget about medicines too! so it's not so happy with future pensions in our country.
    2. SklochPensioner
      SklochPensioner April 8 2016 06: 39
      +5
      Quote: DPG
      figs from work vypresh someone after reaching retirement age

      You're young judging by the style). "I found my place - wait for it to be free!" smile
      1. DPG
        DPG April 8 2016 11: 41
        -4
        Yes, I found my place, I didn’t even have to wait, what's wrong with that ??? As they say, who studied what.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 8 2016 13: 47
          +10
          Quote: DPG
          Yes, I found my place, I didn’t even have to wait, what's wrong with that ??? As they say, who studied what.

          You got it, specifically. I have a neighbor, candidate of technical sciences, a former designer of the defense design bureau, a former university teacher, of the 54 of the year, earned disability, received 5500 rubles that year, and now nobody needs a damn. Now I don’t know, I didn’t ask, we can and increased by a couple of hundred. Who studied what, gavarysh?
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 8 2016 06: 41
      +12
      Quote: DPG
      figs from work will remove someone after reaching retirement age.

      live on one pension, let's see how you sing ... fool however, live ...
    4. EvgNik
      EvgNik April 8 2016 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: DPG
      And yes we don’t have working pensioners at all, figs from work you will vomit someone after reaching retirement age.

      I left immediately, although I was asked to stay. The wife worked for 3 years - pushed out to those who had little before retirement. They are still working and are not going to leave.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 8 2016 14: 13
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        Is anyone interested in a pension of 6 thousand rubles per month? Or maybe a man of his age lay on the couch and did nothing?

        This is just the whole secret that, in fairness, a pension is supposed to be paid regardless of what is done in youth. This should not concern the pension fund, its task is only one - to pay, pay and pay, and in fairness not some percentage of the salary is put, but all 100%. In general, the correct PF is similar to the insurance one: it is not her business what happened there and whose fault it was, her task is to pay upon the damage to the insured property, she is not supposed to know anything else.
  13. Nikolayev
    Nikolayev April 8 2016 06: 37
    +20
    Have you seen what office buildings the PFR has - Gazprom nervously smokes !!!
  14. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 8 2016 06: 40
    +12
    And the State Duma in half! They are ready to deputies posthumously, without retiring, and to work too.
  15. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 8 2016 06: 48
    +17
    It is necessary to deal with the pension fund.
    The structure is state, so let the state contain all the pension palaces and pay salaries. So maybe the decision on the immoderate expenses on oneself of loved ones will be reduced.
    And let the money collected to pay pensions go to pay pensions. And the fee must be complete — the percentage on salary is set — all and must be collected. There is nothing to introduce privileges for millions of salaries.
    There is a bar there, with which s / n there is a decrease in fees to funds, everything that is higher than this bar must be taken in the form of a tax. In the end, very high salaries are not worked out. Yesterday there was an article about the office plankton-a bunch of idlers, tossing about dyury, they don’t know how to spend time. This is the result of the incompetence of the leaders who took up posts on patronage.
    But the reason is simple. They found a way to tear off production or the population, so they sit idle, think out what to do, and money is dripping.
    People with a state mind, life experience, high intellect, and a wide range of knowledge in various fields are not allowed to manage the state economy.
    We are not talking about envy that someone is living well, just a country will not be able to defend itself if the leadership has the current plankton.
    All the turmoil that the country is experiencing is the result of mediocre leadership, rotten bureaucracy, who cannot and do not want to fulfill their responsibilities.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K April 8 2016 09: 13
      -4
      There is nothing to introduce privileges for millions of wages ... .There is a bar with which s / n there is a decrease in fees to funds,

      Do you know that there is a bar above which you are not paid a pension? What salary you would not receive, you will not accrue pension points above the maximum. So if you cancel the plan for contributions to the pension fund, then in fairness you need to cancel the plan for payments from the PF. Those. the abolition of privileges will increase not only incomes, but also the benefits of PF. And it should also be understood that those who receive millions of salaries are usually not ordinary managers, but business leaders and owners. If you remove the benefit, they can easily optimize payments and receive income is no longer in the form of a salary. And then not only the PF, but also the tax in the form of personal income tax, for example, will not receive money.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 8 2016 14: 18
        -1
        And taxes on the mind should not be at all. It’s just medieval tyranny - living off milking your own citizens. Very reminiscent of tribute collected by bandits. In conscience, it is supposed to delete citizens from income once and for all. And anyone who decides to violate the ban - to judge for banditry.
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K April 8 2016 15: 20
          -1
          And taxes on the mind should not be at all

          Well, it may in your mind should not be taxes. And at present, taxes and fees are the main budget items, without which the state is not able to fulfill its functions. And for your information, just during the Middle Ages there were practically no taxes, there were analogues of customs duties. Want back to the Middle Ages?
          1. Basarev
            Basarev April 8 2016 16: 37
            +2
            Quote: Nikolai K
            And at present, taxes and fees are the main budget items, without which the state is not able to fulfill its functions.

            So this is from the imperfection of the financial system ... And a monotonous economy. More recently, in the seventh year, the main budget item was hydrocarbons. Taxes were on the tenth of roles. And as the price of oil rolled back - oil revenues began to be replaced by exactions from the population. So that's what I mean: foreign economic activity of the state, income from state enterprises and foreign trade are quite capable of replacing taxes without loss. All that is needed is to create at least a commodity equal in price to oil, but whose value does not depend on accumulated reserves.
            1. Pomeranian
              Pomeranian April 8 2016 17: 53
              0
              Quote: Basarev
              More recently, in the seventh year, the main budget item was hydrocarbons.

              I’ll tell you a terrible secret: the budget income from the export of hydrocarbons in the period you describe was (13) thirteen percent.
  16. sesame
    sesame April 8 2016 06: 51
    -9
    Not an article, but some kind of emotional stuffing. Simplified mathematics is proposed to be regarded as a happened fact. What, after exceeding the lifespan, the pension is not paid? But why does the author not consider such a wide phenomenon as gray wages? From which charges are not transferred to the pension fund? I get a white salary, the company pays taxes for me, and most of my friends receive an official minimum wage, and the rest is in an "envelope", but my contributions in old age will be divided among everyone, including those who received a gray salary.
    1. Volodin
      April 8 2016 06: 58
      +17
      The article is devoted to a specific fact: the lack of transparency in the use of funds by the FIU of the "survival period". But this does not mean at all that there are no other problems with the pension. They exist and their "carriage", but only, I hope, you understand that it is unrealistic to fit all these things within the framework of one article. This is not an attempt to make excuses, this is a statement of fact.
      And why did the "simplified mathematics" displease you - are you one of those who prefer to slip people "quantum" formulas for calculating pensions from the Pension Fund? .. Although this is your personal opinion - you have every right.
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K April 8 2016 09: 17
        -6
        nontransparency of the use of funds by the FIU of the "survival period".

        If something is incomprehensible to you personally, this does not mean that someone is stealing, maybe you just did not understand the issue. And before bringing charges, it would be nice to understand basic economics and mathematics.
  17. populist
    populist April 8 2016 06: 54
    +2
    In short: where is the money, Zin! ..

    Where do we find out the money when the next Khoroshavin is arrested. These khoroshavins have billions of dollars in apartments.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K April 8 2016 09: 22
      0
      PF officials naturally steal like all power, but by no means on the "survival period" but on something completely different: for the construction and lease of premises, money scrolling (this article was practically closed) and other economic expenses.
  18. satris
    satris April 8 2016 06: 54
    +8
    And what palaces has the PFR built for itself as administrative buildings? What fell from the sky? Or under the heading "housing construction" passed?
  19. Nix1986
    Nix1986 April 8 2016 06: 59
    +6
    This is always what surprised me, well, well, the state does not have enough money to pay pensions, let's raise the retirement age. And then, those who retired and gave free jobs will remain on them for another 5 years and if you can count properly, then during these 5 years unemployment will increase for these jobs for pensioners, and the size of this unemployment will be equal to the number non-retired people i.e. within the whole country it will become very large. State minds have an answer to this question, where to get absolutely new jobs on a large scale ?! The question is already traditionally rather rhetorical.
  20. tchoni
    tchoni April 8 2016 07: 03
    +6
    Guys, everything is fine! We now have the National Guard themselves. Those who survive will help those .. If necessary, then using heavy military equipment ...
  21. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 April 8 2016 07: 03
    +2
    No salaries in envelopes! Yes, salaries in bags! Himself left on his own in 60,5, and then the checkpoint already stood in my place. Of course, there is a lot of incomprehensibility with calculating the amount of pension, but three pensions are still enough for bread with real butter.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev April 8 2016 14: 23
      0
      Quote: a.hamster55
      Yes, salaries in bags!

      I would not want such a megainflation. I would like the salary to be charged in grams of gold to a metal account. Such savings are too tough for inflation.
  22. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 8 2016 07: 05
    +5
    Quote: Nikolayev
    Have you seen what office buildings the PFR has - Gazprom nervously smokes !!!

    There are many ways to cut pension money, one of them is
    Remember well-known chant advertising on the central channels of domestic TV. Estimate how much money has been spent and how much has been laundered (the cost of producing 1 minutes of a video could reach several million rubles + airtime million * 365 days = xxxxxxxxxx million) !!! The Accounts Chamber grabbed its head and ran to the President.

    A small example for 1999 year (after all, nothing has changed):
    A tremendous amount of money has disappeared from the Pension Fund of Russia
    1 billion 250 million rubles disappeared from the accounts. The shortage was discovered last Monday.
    As the Russian News Service was informed in the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, a check is being carried out on this fact. Whether money is stolen is still unknown. Perhaps the funds from the accounts were debited by mistake. The Main Investigation Department of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of Moscow also checks this information.
    A giant shortage in the Pension Fund was announced today by the Life.ru Internet portal. According to the publication, the money was written off through the Central Bank and dissolved in foreign offshore. Commenting on the situation of RSN, the Central Bank officially announced that they did not keep the fund’s money.

    RSN http://rusnovosti.ru/news/60273/
  23. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 8 2016 07: 12
    +24
    Considering the "dashing 90s", the forced work of citizens on 2-3 "fronts", the unremarkable medicine to talk about raising the retirement age is simply disgusting ...
    1. Bosk
      Bosk April 8 2016 20: 37
      +1
      The human body is the strongest physical "alloy", it can be "bent" for at least fifty years or more ..., no other material in the world can withstand such long loads ...
    2. Baloo
      Baloo April 10 2016 23: 15
      0
      Elections, elections! pension fund .... s
  24. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 8 2016 07: 14
    +12
    the most humane of the humane Foundation officials

    Humanism is everywhere. By the age of 70, they are also reluctant to take to the hospital (if you don’t pay, you will be glad to see you for cash).
    Palaces built and not only retirement. We have a town for 15000 inhabitants. Palaces: Treasury, Pension, Sberbank of Russia. All built within one year. But over the past 25 years, only 2 (two) residential buildings, five-story apartments for 30-35 each. The police - 30 years ago (then there were more people - the factory worked) one 2-story building. Now there are 2 buildings. But we don’t see and do not know our district officer.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 8 2016 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      But over the past 25 years, only 2 (two) residential buildings, five-story apartments for 30-35 each.



      Hmm ... "You live Kucheryavo" ... We have 56000 inhabitants during this time - not a single new apartment building ... And three unfinished houses, as they were abandoned in the early 90s (and after all, they were almost erected), and crumble to until now ... Nobody even bought, grabbed ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 8 2016 14: 20
        +3
        Veksha, and son of Rogozin, what kind of place did the pear hang around? Have you done anything useful?
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 April 8 2016 19: 56
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Veksha, and son of Rogozin, what kind of place did the pear hang around? Have you done anything useful?



          There is even info about this on the Internet ... Check-in at Aleksin was inconclusive (for gunpowder production - in particular, for the city as a whole) ...

          But he pulled a tick in his career that he led the production in the province ... State, federal, unitary, state-owned production ... What more could you want? The next step has already taken ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 8 2016 21: 30
            +3
            I, my fellow countryman, to be honest, did not expect anything else.
  25. koksalek
    koksalek April 8 2016 07: 19
    -1
    Quote: satris
    And what palaces has the PFR built for itself as administrative buildings? What fell from the sky? Or under the heading "housing construction" passed?

    Yes, you haven’t been anywhere and there’s nothing to compare with you because if you had visited the city administration or the buildings of the judicial system, then your pension would have seemed a miserable squalor.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 8 2016 08: 01
      +8
      Quote: koksalek
      Quote: satris
      And what palaces has the PFR built for itself as administrative buildings? What fell from the sky? Or under the heading "housing construction" passed?

      Yes, the buildings were rebuilt, as a rule, new and not small. And the bloated staff of the FIU? One accepts documents, the second files, the third considers, the fourth recounts, etc. As a result, when applying for a pension, they can send a request to the wrong place, lose some document (I personally had to deal with wallpaper cases).
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL April 8 2016 09: 24
        +5
        Quote: rotmistr60
        when applying for a pension, they can send a request to the wrong place, lose a document (I personally had to deal with wallpaper cases).

        ... Do they also send the requests themselves? Yes, you are lucky!
        ... we have "rescuing the drowning ..." What he himself asked for, and for what inquiries he received answers, that will be taken into account when calculating the pension ... and that is not a fact!
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 April 8 2016 11: 56
          +4
          According to some confirmations, I had to fuss myself. Although a list of documents is required to be provided, the FIU is obliged to do the rest, but if it does, it is reluctant and negligent. Girls think that they will always work in the PF and personally they will have no problems. And in vain they think so. What is their attitude to pensioners today will be the same to them when the time comes.
      2. ruskih
        ruskih April 8 2016 09: 39
        +4
        As a result, when applying for a pension, they can send a request to the wrong place, lose some document (I personally had to deal with wallpaper with cases). [/ Quote]
        It is good if the answer to the request comes. He may not come at all.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 April 8 2016 11: 51
          +5
          It is good if the answer to the request comes. He may not come at all.

          For two years now, he has not been able to come from the Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Podolsk) and probably will not. Therefore, N is not counted for the number of years and there is no confirmation of salary, and therefore the pension is not quite full.
          1. ruskih
            ruskih April 8 2016 12: 16
            +1
            Ha! Similarly.
            1. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 April 8 2016 12: 49
              +1
              Then you understand me.
              1. ruskih
                ruskih April 8 2016 14: 29
                +2
                Gennady, as I understand it. A certificate from Russia to get .... this is still a fun lesson. I was left with the impression of the services that make them one word mess. In Belarus, I received certificates within 1-3 weeks. In Russia, they were given 6 months with constant reminders (where could I get through to this)? Conclusion: there should be a margin of time, and which is hard to say.
  26. koksalek
    koksalek April 8 2016 07: 34
    -3
    As soon as Putin’s speech was published in which he talked about trust in power, this emotional article appeared immediately. The author apparently does not understand that the FIU is only an executor of what is being created in the government and there it takes the form of a law for the FIU. This is the same as scolding the traffic police officer in the fact that he is implementing the law on traffic rules punishing the offender on the road.
  27. volodya
    volodya April 8 2016 07: 53
    +4
    It's been a shame! I worked for 17 years, now 63 is another three years and I will live on credit.
  28. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 8 2016 07: 56
    +2
    If the Central Bank calls consultants from the World Bank, then they recognize themselves as incompetent in matters of economics and finance ... and therefore are subject to dismissal for professional unsuitability. Yeah .. we don’t have enough good bosses ..
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 April 8 2016 14: 17
      +3
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Yeah .. we don’t have enough good bosses..


      We lack decent, competent, energetic people - first of all, patriots of our country - in the power structures ...

      And it is not enough because there is no system and mechanism for their protection from any imperious trash who imagines himself to be an "elite" ...

      And the system and the mechanism of protection, on the other hand, are available to idle boyars-bureaucrats, "servants of the people" ...

      (Ugh, DB !!! ...) ...
  29. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 8 2016 08: 00
    +4
    I’m far from retirement age, but I hear conversations, there was a time ---- my mother took out a pension. I often observe that many of my friends did not manage to receive a pension even once. They unexpectedly died, although there were decent people without bad habits and without diseases. In connection with such AND similar situations ---- the question of HERITAGE of pension savings. And why not? Well, let's say, with some factors.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K April 8 2016 09: 29
      -1
      The funded part of the pension is subject to inheritance. Another thing is that contributions to the funded part were deducted by citizens of 1967 year of birth and younger
    2. ruskih
      ruskih April 8 2016 09: 48
      +5
      Quote: Reptiloid
      I’m far from retirement age, but I hear conversations, there was a time ---- my mother took out a pension. I often observe that many of my friends did not manage to receive a pension even once. They unexpectedly died, although there were decent people without bad habits and without diseases. In connection with such AND similar situations ---- the question of HERITAGE of pension savings. And why not? Well, let's say, with some factors.

      I also asked myself these questions once. My father went to sea at 16 years old, so until his death at 57 years of experience did not interrupt. And that he is so alone in the country. They did not receive a pension. Does someone control these accumulations?
  30. Flinky
    Flinky April 8 2016 08: 31
    -1
    Volodin seems to be a smart person, but in this case he is only partially right. The fact is that pension savings are inherited, and the heirs of the deceased pensioner have full rights to them if they accept the inheritance. Another question is how many heirs exercise these rights.
  31. kirgudu
    kirgudu April 8 2016 08: 45
    +1
    By the way, who is not in the know. You can pick up the funded part of the pension immediately after retirement. Does this PFR weight reluctantly, but does.
  32. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 8 2016 09: 02
    +2
    Inhuman ruling.
    Its authors think that they either will not live to such an age themselves, or they will always be young ...
  33. Villiam wolf
    Villiam wolf April 8 2016 09: 14
    +2
    On the KOL plant them all !!! Parasites of the Company !!!
  34. okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv April 8 2016 09: 16
    +4
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Where are you going? Your survival age is over ...

    Here it’s just right to talk about the age of survival until retirement, and not about the age of survival after it!


    I categorically agree with you, how many citizens complete their life journey before they reach retirement? Ecological indicators in the country are improving and improving.
    What happens to the funds of citizens who left before moving to the pension category.
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  36. kostik1301
    kostik1301 April 8 2016 09: 25
    +9
    What government is such and PFR VOREEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  37. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg April 8 2016 09: 38
    +3
    Needless to say, the Russian pension system is the most "humane" in the world! Already after retirement, people simply survive - communal apartments, frenzied prices for products to buy which have recently become less and less opportunities! So with retirement people do not live (as, for example, in Geyrop), but they DO LIVE! And that's not all. An acquaintance of mine applied for a pension yesterday, and this morning went to "live out" in heaven, and there are a lot of such cases! But the power only rubs its little hands in such cases that less will have to be spent.
  38. atamankko
    atamankko April 8 2016 09: 39
    +4
    In my opinion, the authors of such developments inflamed the brain,
    unable to withstand an excessive load, and the author is well done,
    that brought this issue up for discussion.
  39. Al1977
    Al1977 April 8 2016 09: 40
    +2
    Continuing the topic:
    "The government of the Russian Federation is considering a proposal that elderly patients can get an appointment with a doctor in a polyclinic only with the permission of a nurse or paramedic."
    https://kprf.ru/dep/gosduma/activities/153580.html
    1. Fonmeg
      Fonmeg April 8 2016 09: 47
      +1
      Al1977 RU C


      Consideration should be given to resolving the pathologist - immediately to the morgue!
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K April 8 2016 11: 03
      +6
      Quote: Al1977
      Continuing the topic:
      "The government of the Russian Federation is considering a proposal that elderly patients can get an appointment with a doctor in a polyclinic only with the permission of a nurse or paramedic."
      https://kprf.ru/dep/gosduma/activities/153580.html

      I am a senior citizen and may soon live to 70 years. I do not go to doctors at all. Do you know why? All my life I was engaged in amateur (not professional wear) sports, practically did not drink and hardly smoked. What is high blood pressure, I don’t know, there are no heart diseases. Of course there are other diseases, internal organs age with a person. Only I know one thing - FROM THE OLDness OF MEDICINES NO! And no doctor will help you. Of course, he will patiently talk to you, write out something and advise, but he will not cure it anymore. If there were drugs for aging, then people would live for thousands of years.

      Advice to young people - lead a healthy lifestyle. Physical education, sports, hardening, less alcohol, drugs and tobacco, the absence of slutty infectious women (you have to live with one - your beloved) and you will live at least 100 years old, in spite of the pension fund and our evil leadership of the country.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 8 2016 14: 54
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        and you will live at least 100 years old, in spite of the pension fund and our evil leadership of the country



        Um ... Alexei, somehow your statement reminded me of the famous academician Amosov ...

        This is without any irony, but with respect ...

        PS But the essence of the article is not this, but, to put it mildly, the "opacity" of the activities of this FIU ...

        After all, you must agree, if suddenly many begin to live up to 100 years old, then the PFR will have nothing to pay pensions with ... In the current scenario of its "energetic" activities ...
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 April 8 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Quote: Al1977
      "The government of the Russian Federation is considering a proposal that elderly patients can get an appointment with a doctor in a polyclinic only with the permission of a nurse or paramedic"



      Hmm ... Paramedicine - inside out ???

      PS And the nurse will say: "Where are you going? Your place is in the cemetery" ...

      To the doctor, and especially to the hospital to get an elderly person - and so for a long time the problem was created ...
  40. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 8 2016 09: 55
    0
    It’s good that I’m up to retirement as to the moon, although what kind of pension is there when you work for yourself.
  41. fif21
    fif21 April 8 2016 10: 10
    +5
    1. Mediocre government reforms put the FIU in a bankruptcy position.
    a) Stimulation of not prestigious works (Ministry of Internal Affairs, Ministry of Justice, Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) by early retirement and constant reform, reduction ... here you have retirees at 38 years old.
    b) The reform of the pension system the Government of the Russian Federation failed.
    c) It was not possible to establish order in the collection of taxes and increase the tax base
    d) The growth of the economy within the margin of error, the growth of inflation is serious.
    e) "freezing" and, in simple terms, withdrawal of the accumulative part.
    2. The work of the Accounts Chamber is not visible, something tells me that not everything is all right in the pension kingdom.
    1. yehat
      yehat April 8 2016 12: 34
      +2
      PFR went bankrupt solely because of itself.
      due to the fact that they are cheating with pensions, due to the fact that the laws unfairly redistribute them,
      because of the mess with finances in the fund itself.
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  43. goody
    goody April 8 2016 10: 24
    +1
    And also introduce an electronic chip, with remote shutdown of the heart and all other organs, to the entire population of the earth though am
    With Friday forum users, relax in the evening!
  44. South Ural
    South Ural April 8 2016 10: 40
    +3
    It is not this Fund that needs to be changed, but not only the hearts, but also the eyes, consciousness, demand changes. Awareness of the impasse of the current policy path - change is necessary in the basis, not in part!
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS April 8 2016 10: 45
      +3
      Quote: South Ural
      It is not this Fund that needs to be changed, but not only the hearts, but also the eyes, consciousness, demand changes. Awareness of the impasse of the current policy path - change is necessary in the basis, not in part!

      Call a spade a spade, you need a revolution and, as a result, popular power.
      1. 24hours
        24hours April 9 2016 22: 35
        0
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        need a revolution and, as a result, popular power.

        And what, have there been such cases in history? Well, so that the result of a revolution would be people's power?
        Do not fantasize. This was not, is not and never will be. Never.
        The most favorable for the population, of all the systems invented and tested to date, is the capitalist one. This is what we must strive for, and not drive empty about the mythical "people's power".
  45. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur April 8 2016 10: 41
    +7
    The fact that the pension fund is a feeding trough is a fact. Money is not enough lie! They came up with an average life expectancy ... Yes, men survive little to 70. On the parent's day, pay attention to the cemetery. So my father went to work at 12 (the time was after the war), worked up to 63 without interruption. He died without reaching 65. The question is where is his money that was paid to the PF? Guess three times.
  46. Million
    Million April 8 2016 10: 57
    +10
    This Putin simply does not know, otherwise he would have shown them!)
    1. TsShVS
      TsShVS April 8 2016 11: 30
      +5
      He has no time, he plays war! The first and main news is now from Syria and Donbass, but in Russia everything is fine, everyone is happy, rating is 85%, there is nothing to worry
  47. yehat
    yehat April 8 2016 11: 04
    +6
    state the PF structure does everything to pay pensions as a minimum. It is necessary to proceed from this.
    If you take the trouble to calculate how many of your savings are transferred over 10 years (and seniority is usually 30+ for pensioners), you will see that this is not small, because deductions have never been less than 22-24%.
    if we take as a basis a very modest salary = 25000 per month, then in 10 years 120 * 25k * 0.22 = 660-700 tr will accumulate.
    this is the minimum, without interest in growth, with essentially a minimum salary.
    in reality, the average salary is twice as high + percentage growth of at least 3-4%.
    Those. a normal person (with not a cool salary for an ordinary manager or furniture collector) deducts for 30 years
    about 1.4 million * 3 + growth in percentages of about 30% (this is very rough and less, but the calculation is approximate)
    as a result, we will receive an amount of about 5 million.
    I repeat: most people who simply have an average salary in a city / region pay no less than the equivalent of 5 million rubles to the Pension Fund for retirement.
    however, only about a quarter (1.5 million) of this amount goes to pay your pension and the amount of payments is often less than the real cost of living. Do not forget that the state pours half of the funds for payments,
    those. from your personal contributions comes to a real return of about 700t.r., about 12-15%.
    I repeat: not the minimum is taken into account, but the value is much lower than the "average"
    And now the question is - do you need such a muhlezh?
    10 years of transferring cash flow from the PF to your accounts with a minimum yield will already provide you with a personal pension. This is especially true for people who really put their health in place for a well-paid job, the total contributions of which amounted to more than 10 million.
    And one more reminder: most men DO NOT survive until their retirement or receive it on the strength of 2-3 years.
    Why does the state play these immoral games? is it really not clear how this will end?
    By the way, you should not regret the state for replenishing the PF budget - it is obliged to do this, because depreciates the ruble itself and gets a huge profit on it.
    Those. replenishment of PF is simply a return of the stolen indirectly.
    when I delve into this matter, I feel bouts of nausea and loathing.
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  49. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 8 2016 11: 20
    +3
    Somehow I had the misfortune to get to the "labor exchange" (the cunning name is "employment center", yeah) in search of work (well, it was bad at that time), even then I was jarred that the girl-"inspector" office, was dressed like a cardin and was all hung with gold rings, earrings and chains from head to toe. We have all sorts of officials distributing "benefits for the people" - social benefits and other state "nishtyaks" a huge number has bred, and this whole pack lives in luxurious mansions built with our money - look at which offices have been planted by all sorts of social services and pension funds. And what cars are parked at these offices! Far away on VAZs with Renault-Logans! Here's to them: this whole army of idlers, parasitizing on social payments and pension funds, just do not have enough money to continue a comfortable existence, they want to provide for their relatives first of all, and pensioners and other suffering people are so, an annoying hindrance, which must be gradually reduced to naught. What they do every year is “optimizing” social payments towards their reduction and coming up with new opportunities and reasons not to pay them at all.
    1. yehat
      yehat April 8 2016 11: 26
      +1
      about the girl you are in vain. most likely this is just a girl working for formalities and a salary she barely has enough for haircuts and manicures, and the rest is at the expense of her husband and parents. The work is not annoying, full social programs and all sorts of guarantees, various kinds of bureaucratic minor advantages like working 10-15 hours a week. The officials below have low salaries. just starting from the heads of wage departments somehow start to please
  50. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 8 2016 11: 38
    0
    Quote: Volodin Alexey
    So, if someone doesn’t know about it, then the survival rate or age of survival (the same period of survival) is the time interval after which the person SHOULD DIE, according to the conclusions of the Russian Pension Fund experts,
    What nonsense is this? Where did the author get this from? Life expectancy is just a calculated figure that shows the average life expectancy of a retired person. Someone lives less, more often these are men, someone longer, more often women. But even after this period, the pension continues to be paid. Upon reaching 80 years, it even increases in accordance with the law. By the way, the term of survival today is 17 years.