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The referendum, which "sentenced" Poroshenko and the European Union

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As a result of the calculation of one hundred percent of the ballots after the referendum in the Netherlands, it became clear: the majority of voters opposed the association of Ukraine with the EU. In addition, the initiators of the plebiscite clearly demonstrated what direct democracy is. True, the referendum is “consultative”: its results can be discussed by the Government of the Netherlands, but not binding for implementation. At the same time, it should be noted that both the government of this country and the supranational political elite in Brussels found themselves in a difficult situation: after all, going against the will of the Dutch people means naturally attacking the principles of democracy.


The referendum, which "sentenced" Poroshenko and the European Union


Recall that the Netherlands remained the only country in the European Union that “stalled” the already ratified association agreement between Ukraine and the EU. "Stalled" in quotes because the Netherlands parliament also ratified it. The EU Association Agreement with Ukraine entered into force on January 1 2016. However, the citizens of the Netherlands were granted the right to express their attitude to the legislative document, if not less than three hundred thousand people wanted it. Opponents of European integration have collected more than four hundred thousand signatures for the plebiscite.

6 April in the Netherlands held a referendum on the association. Residents of the Netherlands should have answered the question: do they approve the signing of an association agreement with Ukraine?

After counting all the ballots, it turned out the following. Voter turnout was 32,2%, which is quite small for such a widely publicized and propagandized event. On the other hand, the minimum threshold was surpassed: by law, at least 30 percent of voters should participate in the voting by the authorities of a referendum held in a vote.

61,1% of the participants of the plebiscite voted against the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine. The Dutch press calls this number the “overwhelming majority.” The number of “no” answers almost coincided with the results of exit polls and the predictions of European analysts who expected the collapse of the “Ukrainian theme” in the Netherlands.

Thus, the voting was considered valid; most of its members opposed the association agreement. Now it's up to the Dutch government to discuss the popular decision. According to some information, the discussion “in the offices” is expected as early as next week, probably immediately after the announcement of the final voting results. This will happen on 12 April. So far, the ballots have been submitted to the central commission for the holding of the plebiscite for recount and reconciliation. But they are unlikely to be very different from the results announced on the night of 6 on April 7.

Since the referendum was held, and the majority of participants expressed opposition to the association, the Dutch government would have to submit a proposal to parliament: either leave the association agreement in force (and defy the will of the people), or refuse to ratify (and complicate relations with the European Union).

The leadership of the “Square” referendum results are extremely dissatisfied. This is not surprising: such an agreement is the last career hope of Poroshenko, who recently landed almost at the center of a major scandal with “Panamanian papers”, and earlier came under fire because of a corruption prosecutor general. And if the Netherlands now hacks into the European agreement, Poroshenko’s career will come to an end. He has nothing more to promise to the people: the people “maydanil” precisely for the sake of a happy visa-free future and a merciless fight against corruption in Kiev. Neither the first nor the second. Yanukovych fled from the golden toilet to Russia, and where will Poroshenko run? Maybe to America? But there, as the press writes, his recent hot speeches, addressed to the powerful, were not appreciated. Wherever you throw, everywhere wedge.

But Poroshenko was going to the second presidential term. Horses at the crossing do not change, you know. The president promised the people that Kiev would apply for membership in the European Union in 2020. Whether the European Union will exist in 2020 is a big, true question.

Petro Poroshenko has already made a statement. He believes that the referendum in the Netherlands was directed against the unity of Europe.

“The real goal of the referendum organizers is not an association agreement between Ukraine and the EU, it is an attack on the unity of Europe, an attack on the dissemination of European values,” the Ukrainian president quotes ZN.ua. “This is evidenced by the discussion that was launched on the eve of the referendum.”

Poroshenko thanked the Dutch, who voted for the association agreement.

According to the Ukrainian president, the results of the referendum in the Netherlands will not be an obstacle to Ukraine’s European integration. “I want to emphasize,” the newspaper quotes him. Kommersant- that this referendum, in accordance with the constitution and legislation of the Netherlands, is of an advisory nature only. Now it's up to the government, the parliament, the politicians of Holland. I am confident that, strategically, this event is not an obstacle on the way of Ukraine to Europe. ”

Let's compare this opinion with the comments of the Dutch.

Feedback from residents of the Netherlands about Ukraine and the Euro-association with this country led "First channel".

"I'm against. This contract is unlikely to help our business to conquer new markets. And ordinary Ukrainians will not get our help. That's for sure!!"

"I will tell you honestly, a united Europe, especially with Ukraine, is not to my liking."

“I voted for to help the Ukrainians in their plight. Those who vote against, mostly vote against Europe and the current government. And Ukraine is too early to accept in the EU. ”

“I do not support this agreement, that's for sure. Ukrainians want our money, their authorities do not carry out reforms, why do we need their problems! ”


Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte does not exclude that his country may refuse to ratify the association agreement.

“If the referendum is declared valid, then this will entail corresponding consequences,” he said. TASS. - The issue will be discussed at various levels, including in the national parliament and in the EU. And it will take some time, maybe days or weeks. ”

The agency cites opinions and other Dutch politicians.

“We have a difficult situation, because 27 of the EU countries and Ukraine have already ratified this agreement,” says a supporter of the association and the leader of the Labor Party, Diederic Samsom, who is a member of the ruling coalition. “However, it’s impossible not to take into account the vote of those who voted against.”

The leader of the opposition party "Democrats-66" Alexander Pehtold said unequivocally: "No, no, no." According to him, in the referendum, "someone still had to win, and someone to lose."

“The difference between supporters and opponents is visible to the naked eye,” said Emile Rumer, leader of the Socialist Party. In his opinion, the Netherlands should refuse to ratify the agreement.

The leader of the Dutch extreme right, Gert Wilders, said about the victory of euro skeptics: “When two-thirds of the voters say no, this is a vote of no confidence of the elite population in Brussels and the Hague.”

Here is another interesting opinion. From Kiev.

The result of the referendum in the Netherlands is a “verdict” to President Poroshenko, said Mustafa Nayem, a member of the pro-presidential faction “Petro Poroshenko’s Bloc” in the Verkhovna Rada.

“This is a sentence to the president of the country, who, having all powers, for two years, systematically and persistently between the past and the future, chose the past; who, in spite of the cries of people and his own declared slogans, chose “elite” and oligarchs as partners rather than civil society and a new generation, ”Nayem quotes "Lenta.ru".

Nardep also noted that the results of the referendum show how Ukraine is evaluated by "ordinary Europeans".

* * *


It can be assumed that the government and the parliament of the Netherlands will go against Europe, because they cannot ruin their relations with voters. Recall that in a year parliamentary elections will be held in the country, and the attitudes of Euro-skepticism are very popular.

However, no matter how it happened, the results of the vote, sad for Kiev, are unlikely to become an obstacle to the "wedding" of Ukraine with the European Union. In fact, the matter has already gone much further engagement. Yes, the government of the Netherlands is obliged to discuss the results of the referendum and make a decision (to offer the parliament either to leave the association agreement in force or to refuse to ratify), and the parliament can agree with the will of the majority. However, the previously adopted association agreement will still be implemented in terms of the establishment of a free trade zone (FTA), which falls under the supranational competence of Brussels. Therefore, Mr. Poroshenko still has something to cling to. The will of the recalcitrant Dutch, very inconvenient for Kiev, he could declare as the intrigues of Putin, who "intimidated" free Europe.

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 8 2016 05: 34
    +9
    Looks like they didn’t get to the EU. Well, open the second half.
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer April 8 2016 05: 38
      +4
      Looks like they didn’t get to the EU.
      No, they just rode so zealously that they jumped, while frightening the EU with their "bottom view". They missed, in a word.
      1. Lantau
        Lantau April 8 2016 05: 45
        +72
        Something like this....
        1. Throw
          Throw April 8 2016 05: 49
          +18
          They will not be brothers, but simply "by the mother" laughing
          Vobschem another ragulny zrazdets ..
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        3. Sid.74
          Sid.74 April 8 2016 09: 51
          +17
          Quote: Lantau
          Something like this....



          Pooh !!! laughing

          Zrada came from no waiting .... cursed Cameron ... laughing
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 April 8 2016 11: 30
            +15
            Referendum in holland
      2. Lukich
        Lukich April 8 2016 05: 55
        +28
        Quote: Red_Hamer
        No, they just rode so zealously that they jumped, while frightening the EU with their "bottom view". They missed, in a word.

        even the Japanese pricked the bucket
      3. OlegV
        OlegV April 8 2016 06: 10
        +45
        The leadership of the “independent” referendum results is extremely unhappy.


        Still ...))) Against the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine, 61,1% of the plebiscite participants voted.
      4. The black
        The black April 8 2016 06: 18
        +8
        Everything, finita la comedy!
        Now the Netherlands will be kicked out as an aggressor country attacking Europe and its values.

        ... And the defender and defender of the European nation - Pedro will be bailed, instead of freethinkers from the Netherlands. Haha

        Interesting deFki dance .. Ukrainian in the Netherlands, but did not help .. laughing
      5. Allitet
        Allitet April 8 2016 14: 02
        +3
        Well, of course, who will like it if the "Euromaidanut Ukrnatsist" gallops around the country with a Molotov cocktail in his hand, while legally!
    2. The black
      The black April 8 2016 06: 16
      +4
      Ukraine was not allowed into Europe,
      Saying while you stay outside the door, nag.
      They forgot to pay for s.ec. with a metress.
      "This is how the luck runs out, madam ..." laughing
      1. Lukich
        Lukich April 8 2016 06: 27
        +55
        Quote: Black
        Ukraine was not allowed into Europe,
    3. Finches
      Finches April 8 2016 07: 00
      +33
      "I am Dutch - the daughter of a florist! Believe me, not everything is so simple here!" laughing
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      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 April 8 2016 09: 22
        +4
        True, the referendum is “advisory”: its results can be discussed by the Dutch government, but are not required for implementation.

        And when you consider:
        that the Dutch parliament ratified the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine, which entered into force on January 1, 2016.

        then we get a legal conflict at the exit: you can’t execute mercy.
        On the one hand, the Agreement has already been ratified by the legislative assemblies of the EU countries, incl. and the Netherlands and was supposed to come into force, on the other hand - the Dutch suddenly decided to "make the goat" galloping, and if you don't give a damn about the "voice of the people" (Dutch), it would be pure violation of democratic principles.
        Although, the Greeks, too, amicably said "Ohi!" - and to the point of it.
        Therefore, I also agree with the conclusions of the author and commentator of the article:
        However, no matter how it happened, the results of the vote, sad for Kiev, are unlikely to become an obstacle to the "wedding" of Ukraine with the European Union. In fact, the matter has already gone much further engagement. Yes, the government of the Netherlands is obliged to discuss the results of the referendum and make a decision (to offer the parliament either to leave the association agreement in force or to refuse to ratify), and the parliament can agree with the will of the majority. However, the previously adopted association agreement will still be implemented in terms of the establishment of a free trade zone (FTA), which falls under the supranational competence of Brussels. Therefore, Mr. Poroshenko still has something to cling to. The will of the recalcitrant Dutch, very inconvenient for Kiev, he could declare as the intrigues of Putin, who "intimidated" free Europe.

        I have the honor.
    4. Vend
      Vend April 8 2016 09: 29
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Looks like they didn’t get to the EU. Well, open the second half.

      Yes, this referendum is not a sentence. That's when the authorities of the Netherlands speak out against, then it will be for Svidomo zrad laughing
    5. Prager
      Prager April 8 2016 11: 25
      +1
      they rode too low, not at the European level.
  2. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx April 8 2016 05: 43
    +4
    Thus, the vote was considered valid;
    1. demoniac1666
      demoniac1666 April 8 2016 05: 51
      +24
      One of the comments under the video made my day:
      Vitali Klitschko urged Ukrainians not to be upset by the results of the referendum in Holland, because there will be another referendum in the Netherlands! laughing
    2. brasist
      brasist April 8 2016 05: 52
      +2
      So what can convey to the channel how once again your nonsense turned out to be diarrhea, Mr. Hohrupor?
    3. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 April 8 2016 10: 27
      +4
      It seems that Klimushko Chugunkin entered the path of Don Pedro. That is, he rolled from the morning. And what- And who in the morning is not drunk yet, that excuse me is not a lancer, sorry, not a Minister of Foreign Affairs.
      1. marl
        marl April 8 2016 11: 58
        +2
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        rolled from the morning

        Yes, in drabadan, his eyes swam.
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 8 2016 05: 50
    +9
    So we remembered the MH17 skaklam, no matter how hard they were to translate the arrows! bully
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 April 8 2016 06: 31
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      So they remembered the MH17 ropes,

      no, unfortunately, the Dutch faithfully believe in the report of their commission, and it says that the Russian military failed
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 April 8 2016 06: 39
        +6
        This skakly remembered MN17
        Before the Dutch could breathe freely and realize the fullness of their position on EU association with Ukraine, Kiev Neanderthals confirmed all the concerns of the Eurosceptics and convinced them of the correctness of the decisions made.
        The referendum results closed the cage with dangerous and wild beasts and protected European friends of unwashed patriots from a real threat from the east. The howl in Kiev rose utterly, and many residents of the Netherlands felt on their own skin all the "gratitude" of the failed neighbors. And what is surprising, ordinary Ukrainians almost did not notice the European battles. Mostly representatives of the political elite and radicals of all stripes and passions broke out.
        The statement of People's Deputy Yevgeny Rybchinsky amazed even seasoned colleagues. Nationalists and those turned a finger at the temple and advised to consult a psychiatrist. The radicals went out to smoke nervously.
        Not only did Rybchinsky openly cover with selective mat all Europeans and Dutch in particular, he also added a fair amount of racism to the stream of his painful outpourings. In particular, this character of the Ukrainian tragicomedy said that the Dutch did not stand next to the great Ukrainian nation. This is a miserable little girl, completely drug addicts and perverts, moonlighting on the red light district. According to the deputy, all the Dutch are not worth only one Ukrainian, and their place in the European circus.
        Not confining himself to empty insults, the political mutant decided to play high politics and passed a verdict in absentia throughout Ukraine. According to him, one downed Boeing is not enough for the Netherlands, and Ukraine should make every effort to repeat the memorable catastrophe.
        After such threats, Kiev is unlikely to ever enter the international arena again. Once again, the Ukrainian politicum proved to the whole world that it has a place in the zoo.
        Ostap Samoyed
        Photo: www.interfax.ru
  4. qwert111
    qwert111 April 8 2016 06: 07
    +10
    Now what will they yell? Golandyaku on gilyaku!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2016 08: 23
      +12
      Quote: qwert111
      Now what will they yell? Golandyaku on gilyaku!

      What do you think? Well this is pure water separatists! And in general, our president has already stated
      “This is an attack on the unity of Europe, an attack on the spread of European values.”
      Well, that’s it! We will declare a new anti-terrorist operation zone! This time in the Netherlands wassat
    2. Aryan
      Aryan April 8 2016 13: 34
      +2
      They say they say the flag is like a Russian
      They have repeatedly confused the Dutch flag in Kiev
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 8 2016 06: 09
    +1
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Looks like they didn’t get to the EU. Well, open the second half.

    Ukrainians need them everywhere.
  6. Knowing
    Knowing April 8 2016 06: 16
    +15
    And even legalizing LGBT people at Kuev did not help ... repeat Here dill parapars just plants.
  7. PKK
    PKK April 8 2016 06: 19
    +3
    Now the Dutch planes ordered the way to Dill. They will kill nafig.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik April 8 2016 06: 28
    +3
    The Dutch business has come to an end ... In the Ukraine, it will announce sanctions .. The Ukrainians will not go there, buy cheese and other goods .. smile
    1. Lukich
      Lukich April 8 2016 06: 34
      +27
      Quote: parusnik
      The Dutch business has come to an end ... In the Ukraine, it will announce sanctions .. The Ukrainians will not go there, buy cheese and other goods ..

      worse punishment invented
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  9. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 April 8 2016 06: 33
    +4
    Oddly enough, there is not even a bit of gloating about the prokid of saloids with planokura. Finding out that it should be so, nafig, because you don’t ... fools from 404, roll the ruin for no reason and hang your problems on anyone, just not on yourself. Kysmet (fate) in one word ...
  10. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 8 2016 06: 56
    +6
    They didn’t let out the door ... they climb into the window ...
  11. Olfred
    Olfred April 8 2016 07: 00
    +1
    here you have tse Europe! they are already directly saying that Europeans do not need Ukraine with its problems ... which way will you now look? laughing hi
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 8 2016 07: 05
    +3
    could declare the machinations of Putin, "intimidated" a free Europe.

    So today on "Euronews" the presenter asked the Ambassador of Ukraine in the Netherlands (almost literally): "As far as we know, Russia was conducting a wide campaign in the Netherlands against Ukraine ...". This is the "face" of a democratic Europe.
  13. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 April 8 2016 07: 06
    +25
    You people didn’t understand anything. It is not the Dutch who voted wrong. It is all he is great and terrible.
  14. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis April 8 2016 07: 13
    +2
    Most likely, during the "re-counting of votes", the extra 2-3% of the ballots are recognized as spoiled, and the referendum - invalid.
  15. tracer
    tracer April 8 2016 07: 37
    +1
    Today they broadcast on the radio to Kiev, interspersed with advertising of elite booze and toothpaste, as if in passing, they say that voting against is garbage, pure formality, and "does not affect the speed." The main thing is that the whole of Europe is FOR.
  16. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 8 2016 08: 15
    +1
    For a long time, Poroshenko lied to his people and lied that soon. And now, when the people learned the terrible truth ---- the people decided to MYSELF ... to deceive. Kr-rr-rruto !!


    Some kind of political onanism
  17. kolexxx
    kolexxx April 8 2016 08: 58
    +11
    The country is not scared idiots, and they claim that Europeans))) From the censor:
    * Soon everything will be fine. I’m telling you this for sure. Yatsenyuk will soon leave, and with him the debts of Ukraine. After all, he took loans, not Ukraine. Let him demand a refund. The first decree that the new prime minister will issue will be a moratorium on the payment of debts on bribes Yatsenyuk. Everything will start from scratch. Go crazy injections into the economy of Ukraine from the West. And since there will be no debts - salaries will rise and taxes and tariffs will decrease. *
    Laughing for a long time)))
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  19. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 8 2016 09: 08
    -5
    What a deceit!
    True, the referendum is “advisory”: its results can be discussed by the Dutch government, but are not required for implementation.

    Those. people have the right to express an opinion, but they cannot implement it.
    Precisely such "democracy" was in the USSR ...
  20. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 8 2016 09: 16
    0
    Netherlands Prime Minister Mark Rutte does not exclude that his country may refuse to ratify the association agreement.

    No, they will not let me refuse. Lather, silt and ride. The only thing is that ukrokakli is all ALREADY up to one place.
  21. Egoza
    Egoza April 8 2016 09: 19
    +3
    here also Vladimir Kornilov added ...
    Add a bit of frustration to our Svidomo. The newspaper "De Volkskrant", furiously campaigning for the Agreement with Ukraine, quickly questioned the leaders of all factions of the Dutch parliament and came to the conclusion: "Parliament: there is no ratification of the agreement with Ukraine."
    Even the leaders of the parties in the ruling coalition agreed that the Agreement cannot be ratified in this form. The head of the Labor Party, Diederik Samsom, said: "The results show that people really do not want Ukraine to go to Europe. Therefore, we must do something about it."
    Meanwhile, politicians and experts in Kiev reassure themselves one by one with statements that the Dutch government will spit on the results of the referendum ...

    And I hope that Europe will take advantage of this referendum to show Ukraine "a big independent and independent DULE". they will partly leave, beneficial for themselves, agreements, but obligations will be merged.
  22. kolexxx
    kolexxx April 8 2016 09: 19
    +8
    By the way. After all, we watched in real time a grandiose in its scale event, which had not been met in the historical annals until now and must be studied in the distant future. In just one night, a quiet and cultured European state that gave the world Bosch, Rembrandt, Spinoza and Huygens turned into an unbridled crowd of drug addicts, aces and whores zombified by Mordor, who drank their brains on dimedrol beer, who sold everything reasonable, kind and eternal for free gas and perpetrated abomination. Total. One. Night. An entire country fell into the inferno abyss in a matter of hours. "By the way, they have their own gas.
  23. kig
    kig April 8 2016 09: 35
    +1
    Actually, the title should have been something like this: A referendum that does not solve anything. At the moment, an interim agreement is in force between the EU and Ukraine, which can be implemented after the referendum. The main goal of this action is the party of the so-called. Euro-skeptics decided to show the government that they are also worth something and should be reckoned with.
  24. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 8 2016 10: 07
    +2
    And I think this is a game of Europe. Like we would be glad, but the Dutch - the bastards do not agree. Because in other cases when it is beneficial no one is particularly interested in the opinion of the people.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 8 2016 11: 46
      +9
      Quote: Navy7981
      And I think this is a game of Europe. Like we would be glad, but the Dutch - the bastards do not agree ....

      Global scam)))
  25. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 8 2016 10: 34
    +11
    I have a feeling of some kind of deja vu.

    The winter 2013-2014 in Ukraine just comes to mind. All excited to the impossible by the agreement on Euroassociation, but no one read it. All strainedly fantasize about what is written in the agreement (visa-free regime, European salaries, pensions, etc.) and are ready to kill those who do not agree with the fantasized. Instead of reading and calmly sorting out.

    2016 - The Netherlands. Unlike Ukraine, everyone worries culturally, civilized: tires do not burn and barricades are not built. But essentially the discussion is no different from the Ukrainian version:
    everyone is arguing about a treaty that no one has read.

    I understand that 900 pages - even for a European, an overwhelming volume of letters. And in fact, I never heard a normal explanation: why are the Dutch so scared. Under this agreement, Ukraine becomes a cancer in front of the European Union and lifts its skirt up - like you have the way you want. The EU’s obligations to Ukraine are spelled out in the agreement with purely European Jesuitism - simply put, they are not. But Ukraine subscribes to fulfill all the whims of the EU unquestioningly. Maybe the Dutch think that the EU has Ukraine not perverted enough? Here it is difficult to argue with them - they are recognized experts on this issue. You can only listen to a qualified opinion. smile

    So this referendum is really some kind of European showdown (someone showed the fact to someone for some reason), and Ukraine is just an excuse.
  26. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 8 2016 11: 00
    +6
    Who is it that CELEBRATED ??
    1. Black_PR
      Black_PR April 10 2016 20: 57
      +1
      Japanese cat ...)?
  27. Disorder
    Disorder April 8 2016 11: 00
    +1
    Yes, the Dutch do not know much about Ukraine. They only know that there is a Ukraine that has been aggressed by Russia. But they also know that paintings stolen in Dutch museums have surfaced in Ukraine, and she is in no hurry to return them.
  28. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 April 8 2016 11: 14
    +5
    "Things went beyond the engagement"
    The groom changed his mind about getting married. The bride behaves too badly, and the dowry has already skipped, and looks bad.
    So Ukraine will have to reconcile, and forever useless old virgin.
    The matter is everyday.
  29. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 8 2016 13: 44
    +2
    Against the EU Association Agreement with Ukraine, 61,1% of the plebiscite participants voted. The Dutch press calls this number "overwhelming majority."

    No matter how many noble slogans about the "revolution of dignity", "freedom" and so on, for Europe and not only for it, it becomes extremely clear that the hordes of frostbitten Svidomo banderlogs galloping in Ukraine today are just G. VNO! And what people in the world would want to be associated with Mr. Vnom?
  30. Disorder
    Disorder April 8 2016 15: 27
    +1
    Ukraine should ask Turkey about the association. If I am not mistaken, Turkey signed an association agreement with the EEC in 1963, became an associate member in 1964, which it is to this day.
  31. Geophizik
    Geophizik April 8 2016 15: 53
    +2
    It is surprising that such excitement about, in principle, an absolutely technical issue, which obviously does not solve anything, since it is just a consulting one! Are we really few examples of blatant, impudent and cynical DIRECT violation of all and all norms of human morality and ethics, international law, and just common sense when it comes to the interests and planetary all-encompassing "vital interests" of the United States? And for them, a priori, it is necessary that Ukraine be and remain indefinitely a Russophobic and absolutely dependent on the United States quasi-state. Such a quasi-state will be created not by washing, but by rolling, and, it seems, not in a single copy. For Russia, in fact, the only way remains is to quickly become in every sense an independent, powerful power, capable of breaking off the teeth of any enemy, even if he considers himself a superpower. Internal forces in Russia are immeasurable, we are simply not allowed to open them, feel and use our both external and internal enemies.
  32. Evgtan
    Evgtan April 8 2016 16: 06
    +1
    Klitschko called on Ukrainians not to be upset by the results of the referendum in Holland, because there will still be a referendum in the Netherlands!
  33. catmarder
    catmarder April 8 2016 20: 25
    0
    Ukrainian girls working in the intimate sphere could hold an action, “vote,” for, “a night of love for free,” you see, there were pains.
    1. tracer
      tracer April 8 2016 23: 57
      0
      You got a little brother there, girl love is not worth it there. There is something else .... although I think that this is not a problem for them, the main thing is Europeanization. Even so.
  34. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 9 2016 13: 28
    +5
    Nobody deceived these die-hard, remember how many times they spoke and discussed in the media during the time of Yushchenko and Yanukovych the consequences of Ukraine’s rapprochement with the EU. That there will be kirdyk in the economy, that there will be a break with Russia, that things can go to war — no, as they were stubborn sheep, they remained so, and now they are yelling: oh, to blame. Yes, to blame - it was necessary in 91 to establish a single state from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, who needed the Nazi’s horns and would be calm now and people would not die.
  35. Combitor
    Combitor April 10 2016 09: 47
    +2
    ...................
  36. yuriy55
    yuriy55 April 10 2016 12: 07
    +1
    Only one thing can be said:
    "Where are you with the pork snout, but in the elite row."