Russian Mi-35M in Syria invulnerable to all known MANPADS

Russian attack helicopters Mi-35M, fighting against the Islamists in Syria, are equipped with the newest on-board defense complex "Vitebsk", which allows the machines to perform the most complex tasks, writes Lev Romanov in his article for Messenger of Mordovia.

“The heroes of the Syrian sky in recent days have become the latest Russian Mi-28N and Ka-52 helicopters. In the battles with terrorists, they underwent a kind of baptism of fire. However, the Mi-35M, which is a deep modernization of the “flying tank“The Mi-24 is a rotorcraft that has proven itself in dozens of military conflicts,” the author notes.

It differs from the previous Mi-35M vehicle with a modern observation and sight complex, which, thanks to the thermal imager, allows to hit various targets, including small ones, at night just as successfully as during the day, ”the publication says.

For the first time these helicopters were spotted at Hamme last December. According to Romanov, who refers to the developers, the “on-board Vitebsk defense complex installed on the Mi-35M is capable of detecting the work of enemy locators, laser targeting systems, seeing the launches of anti-aircraft missiles and turning them into useless blanks thanks to blinding laser optical-electronic systems suppression. "

The article notes that "this domestic development can effectively neutralize not only all currently known man-portable air defense systems, but also more powerful air defense systems."

Comments

[max702]

The statement is too loud ..

[tiredwithall]

"We were born to make a fairy tale come true ..."

[Kalmar]

Invulnerability is a phenomenon, at best, temporary (until the means of attack are "tweaked"), and at worst, simply self-deception. I hope that the pilots are definitely aware of the real capabilities of this complex.

[St Petrov]

what self-deception?

the complex has specific characteristics. Tested during testing, after which the systems were adopted

Not one KB worked. Are you talking about self-deception

Pilots on self-deception will not fly far, across a field dotted with stingers and other feces.

Of course, it won’t save from ZU-32, but it’s completely from smart technology

[Kalmar]

Quote: c-Petrov

the complex has specific characteristics. Tested during testing, after which the systems were adopted

And on tests, a real helicopter was fired upon by real "Stingers"? Doubtful. And I do not mean that the complex is inoperative or ineffective. It's just that "invulnerability" in this case is just a probability (apparently high, but still a probability) that the helicopter will be able to evade an attack by, say, MANPADS (under certain conditions). Reminds of statements about the "invisibility" of American F-117s: they are really unobtrusive, all that, but at least one of them got there.

[sabakina]

As far as I know, this is not a helicopter escaping an MANPADS attack, but a MANPADS missile escaping a helicopter.

[avia1991]

Quote: Kalmar

And on tests, a real helicopter was fired upon by real Stingers? Doubtful.

How well do you envision this kind of testing process? Do you know for sure, or do you use "OBS"?
Or is it just a conclusion based on the principle: "I THINK SO - so it is"?
Complex "Vitebsk" works to suppress attacking means autonomously, in real time, and the pilot does not need to "evade the attack". If this seems fantastic to you, this does not mean that it is not.

[Persistent]

Vitebsk is an aviation defense complex based on the principles of electronic warfare. Manufacturer - KRET.

The purpose is the individual defense of military equipment: helicopters, etc. The system forms an “electronic dome” around the protected object and protects not only the object on which it is mounted, but also everything that falls under this “dome”. Also - the ability to work as a director of imitation and broadband interference.

A helicopter equipped with such a system is capable of operating in a radio reconnaissance mode - Vitebsk is able to track who, why, and in what direction it irradiates a helicopter, from what distance it does, and so on. The technique of a potential enemy in this mode removes a number of characteristics; by the type of signal, Vitebsk can even determine the type of equipment, its coordinates, and also determine one of the most important parameters - the phase of operation (if the enemy’s equipment is in the “aiming” phase, the on-board electronic warfare system will issue a command to activate the “ media protection ”- setting false goals). The complex is capable of giving out the enemy’s radar not just a false target, but also form a whole squadron of such targets for which the enemy will spend ammunition in case of fire. One aircraft equipped with such a complex and operating in the RC mode (radar target simulator) can create an entire group of aircraft instead of a single mark on the radar, giving the enemy radar operators an unsolvable task to determine real targets. The radiation power of the false targets created by the included complex is such that the guidance head (GOS) of the anti-aircraft missile is forced to constantly re-aim and eventually “go away” to the side, and in case of using a rocket with a thermal GOS, an automatic ejection of special reflectors is provided.

Tests were made at the test site near Akhtubinsk. On the MI-8 helicopter, standing on the ground and equipped with the Vitebsk system, 20 homing missiles were launched from Igla MANPADS. They all went to the target, but at a certain distance from the helicopter they sharply changed course, going up due to the loss of the target. None of the missiles hit the helicopter.

[zoolu350]

What are reflectors for TGSN? Heat traps. Now TGSN have become smarter, remember the specific thermal signature of the aircraft engine and its optical image. Now the most effective SOPs are based on a laser that directly dazzles the DOS. Type "President-S".

[Kalmar]

Quote: avia1991

How well do you envision this kind of testing process? Do you know for sure, or do you use "OBS"?

No, well, of course they buy a pack of "Stingers", put the crew in a helicopter, start circling over the range and fire. Ops, they shot down, okay, we write down the crew and go further over the drawings to smoke, figure out where and what we missed. Nonsense, isn't it?

Quote: avia1991

If this seems fantastic to you, this does not mean that it is not.

I get the feeling that you somehow read my comment diagonally and argue now it is not known what.

Slowly again: in the title the thesis was put forward about the invulnerability of the helicopter with "Vitebsk". I just noted that no matter how good this "Vitebsk" was, the car with it is not made invulnerable. As the saying goes, there is a left-handed bolt for every tricky ass. Well, or a lot of bolts on the right. Is that clearer?

[kava61]

From stingers back in Afghanistan we learned to fight.

[MARK]

The statement is loud of course .. But you need to test! Turntables showed themselves not bad to see .. I think nevertheless ours, now we need to be especially careful! Remember the Afghan (stingers ..) ...

[delvin-fil]

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi35m.html
http://worldweapon.ru/strelok/stat1.php
It is absolutely necessary. But the training of our pilots has always been excellent. Just statistically, there are an order of magnitude more rescued (autorotation, for example) of our helicopters than those of NATO (do not watch "The Fall of the Black Hawk" - artist).

[kava61]

They were dangerous before the capture of Stinger by our Specialists.

[evgenm55]

it remains to ask the pilots ... I do not think that we went down to the bandits, just lie. let's believe in our weapons.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: max702

The statement is too loud ..

No wonder this is a flying tank. . . if such a system is really installed and works so reliably, then a very good crew care is only a plus. . . I know that everything is checked in Aviation and the equipment goes through a lot of testing and duplication, but IF a little seriously, based on the Tank experience in Syria, I hope the helicopter does not have open hatches at which this system does not work.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: max702

The statement is too loud ..

Really. Works? Great! But, invulnerable ... Some kind of excessive self-confidence ...

[Valeron45]

Yes, loud! And most importantly, it seems that it seems to be true !!!!!!!!!

[Achilles]

The test of Vitebsk

[Achilles]

Here's another EW system

[Maksus]

I completely agree. Enough of these triumphal squeals already, you can not relax for a second. There is still a war ...

[Trotil42]

Indeed .. more like PR .. yes, and such a philosophy of the development of weapons can not be, in principle, on a long section of the path of its development

[NEXUS]

Quote: max702

The statement is too loud ..

From what? The electronic warfare complex Vitebsk is a very effective argument. I suppose, and "Lever" is running in Syria.

[Mihalich17]

But still interesting! ..
Vitebsk is a Belarusian city, and its name is "Vesch !!!" named in Russia? ...

[tiredwithall]

Stop sharing, it's time to unite.

[tol100v]

Quote: Mihalich17

Vitebsk is a Belarusian city, and its name is "Vesch !!!" named in Russia? ...

Call a pot, but don’t put it in the oven! No matter how the equipment is called, but if it performs its functions, then thank God and the designers!

[WUA 518]

Quote: Mihalich17

Vitebsk is a Belarusian city, and its name is "Vesch !!!" named in Russia? ...

An export version of the Vitebsk aviation complex is the President-S electronic warfare complex

[Bezarius]

As if Belarusians are not Russians (Russians) -_- '

[Yuyuka]

As if Belarusians are not Russians (Russian)

we must also check the nationality of the creators of the complex
but in general why not call "Rambo"? finally a bomb! "Rambo" on the defense of Russia!

The point is not in the name - the Americans are so solemnly calling their operations! Although sometimes in a free translation it would correspond to "Loud bunch" or "First pancake"!

[reservist]

according to legend, Vitebsk, one of the oldest cities in Russia, was founded by Princess Olga already in 974

[ovod84]

Before we shot down our plane in Syria in the Russian spring, there was also a similar article only about airplanes. too praise is also not necessary and at the same time it is necessary to take seriously any MANPADS

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ovod84

Before we shot down our plane in Syria in the Russian spring, there was also a similar article only about airplanes. too praise too

there were no EWs on the su-24, only later on the su-35.

[Deniska]

there were no EWs on the su-24, only later on the su-35.

As far as I know on Su 24, there is not even a rear locator. And it was hit by a missile from the back hemisphere.

[Phantom Revolution]

It sounds pathetic and loud, given that in the 2014 they shot down in Iraq from a Chinese MANPADS.
http://topwar.ru/60326-irakskiy-mi-35m-byl-sbit-islamistami-kitayskim-pzrk-fn-6.
html

And recently on April 4 they shot down or fell (if not fake) in the same Iraq, it all depends on the skill of the pilots, there are no invulnerable cars.

[tiredwithall]

Craftsmanship plus luck.

[JIaIIoTb]

It is not installed on export helicopters.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

It sounds pathetic and loud, given that in the 2014 they shot down in Iraq from a Chinese MANPADS.

in Russian they said: In Syria ... where does Iraq come from? do not know how to adequately perceive what is written?

[Phantom Revolution]

Probably because MI-35?

[donavi49]

The Iraqis ordered themselves with another EECS.

[Deniska]

16 Mi-35Ms were delivered to Iraq, but as far as I know the Mi-35m is an export option for Venisuela ....

[RUSIVAN]

You can shoot down a helicopter not only from MANPADS, there is also a large-caliber gun so that you hope for God, but don’t cry yourself ... Reason should prevail over stupidity by substituting armor unnecessarily, hoping only on REBs.

[jovanni]

It sounds pathetic and loud, given that in the 2014 they shot down in Iraq from a Chinese MANPADS.
http://topwar.ru/60326-irakskiy-mi-35m-byl-sbit-i
slamistami-kitayskim-pzrk-fn-6.
html
And recently on April 4 they shot down or fell (if not fake) in the same Iraq, it all depends on the skill of the pilots, there are no invulnerable cars.

But what, do the Russian aerospace forces fight in Iraq? I hope you do not want to say that Vitebsk is put on export cars ...

[Mihalich17]

But still interesting! ..
Vitebsk is a Belarusian city, and its name is "Vesch !!!" named in Russia? ...
- And these are all the answers to such a simple question ???
THANKS, comrades!)))

[Aroma77]

This city is over 1000 years old. The oldest "Russian" city. That you are now trying to provoke the Russians against the Belarusians with your question, or vice versa. Calm down Mikhalych.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Mihalich17

THANKS, comrades!)))

on health ... (if the question is simple, then the answer, he should know himself)

[Stabilization]

If the exhaust diffusers are installed, it’s already good ...

[Spartanez300]

Cool system, a helicopter in an impenetrable shell.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Spartanez300

Cool system, a helicopter in an impenetrable shell.

the shell is armor, and here, the protective field, as in a movie about UFOs.

[Taygerus]

Respect for the developers for enhancing the safety of pilots, but without piloting skills, it’s also not like that, just all together, stupidly and our pilots have repeatedly proved this on the battlefield, but there are no invulnerabilities

[viktortech]

Guys, well, let's think adequately, until the 90s, our country and the United States went head to head, as they say, and somewhere even we were ahead of the Americans, but for the next 26 years, all our scientific institutions, including defense ones, were falling apart at a catastrophic rate, and I am sure that many of our "secrets" just stupidly merged. Do you really think that over the last 2-5 years of at least some movements (and in terms of financial costs and attracting intellectual resources, we are not ahead of many countries) we are now creating something omnipotent? I agree that our developments are good, but on many issues they are lagging behind, we showed the same Calibers in 2015, and the Tomahawks performed the same tasks for the Americans before. I myself admire our weapons, but we must adequately try on everything, and not be guided by reading materials from the Mordovian Vestnik newspaper. Just recently there was an adequate article about the Indian selection of combat helicopters, everything is there on the shelves with numbers.

[Lefty]

Just thinking: if the Ukrainian media in Donbass "destroyed" divisions of armored hoofed tank divisions from Buryatia, why did they not think of destroying some helicopter regiment from the Southern Federal District, for example? The same photos from Iraq or some other hot spot to throw up and pass off as Donbas.

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: max702

The statement is too loud ..

tested on their helicopters different MANPADS and stated. everything!

[demiurg]

In the same Afghanistan, strangely enough, the main losses of helicopters and attack aircraft were from the ISA. Stingers and others account for 5-7 percent of losses. And the lion's share, on DShK and KPV. In a neighboring topic, a video of night shooting with Apache. The bearded men were dying and did not see who was shooting at them. But in the afternoon they could have answered. Do not exaggerate the role of MANPADS (too, do not underestimate).

[kava61]

And then at the very beginning, when we were not yet familiar with the Stingers and characteristics.

[kava61]

And then at the very beginning, when we were not yet familiar with the Stingers and characteristics.

[kamski]

TOTAL media noodles have already stepped over all limits of decency