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National Guard of Russia. They talked about its creation for more than ten years

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In Russia, a new power structure - the National Guard. 5 on April 2016 was announced by President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin at a meeting with Police General Vladimir Kolokoltsev, Minister of the Interior of the Russian Federation, Director of the Federal Service of the Russian Federation for Drug Trafficking Control Viktor Ivanov, Commander-in-Chief of Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation Army General Viktor Zolotov and Deputy Director Federal Migration Service Ekaterina Egorova. The President stressed that the new structure will be created on the basis of the Interior Ministry troops. According to Vladimir Putin, the tasks of the National Guard will include the fight against terrorism, organized crime, as well as the performance of functions that are currently assigned to the OMON and OMSN (SOBR) units. Another decision of the President, voiced at this meeting, is to resubmit the Federal Migration Service and the Federal Service for Drug Control to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. In the near term, the creation of the National Guard will be recorded not only in the relevant presidential decree of the Russian Federation, but also in federal law.


The National Guard will become a separate force structure from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Presumably, this may be due to budgetary difficulties and the need to change the structure of the Ministry of the Interior, which includes the Federal Migration Service and the Federal Drug Control Service. In this case, the number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation will remain almost unchanged, but the military personnel of the internal troops will go to the National Guard of the Russian Federation.

Note that the talk about the creation of the National Guard in the Russian Federation has been going on for a long time. Thus, in 2012, a number of media outlets reported on the possible formation of a National Guard in the country, directly subordinate to the president and focused on ensuring the country's security and the protection of the constitutional order. At that time they assumed that the base for the National Guard would be the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, but it would also include some units of the Airborne Forces and the newly created military police of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. In 2012, it was assumed that the number of National Guard personnel would be 350-400 thousand people. Preparations for the creation of the National Guard were explained by the need for a law enforcement structure capable of promptly responding to new threats to the security of the Russian state, which are increasing in the increasingly complicated world situation.

In 2012, Army General Nikolai Rogozhkin, who at that time held the post of Commander-in-Chief of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, was appointed to the position of head of the new power structure (Nikolay Evgenievich Rogozhkin spent almost 10 years in this position - from August 2004 to May 2014). However, in 2014, Nikolai Rogozhkin was dismissed from military service and appointed Plenipotentiary Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in the Siberian Federal District. Another possible candidate for the post of commander-in-chief of the National Guard was called back in 2012 by Colonel-General Viktor Zolotov, a representative of the special services, who for a long time was responsible for the security of the highest officials of the Russian (and formerly Soviet) state. At that time, Viktor Vasilievich Zolotov served as the head of the Security Service of the President of the Russian Federation - Deputy Director of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. The fact that these assumptions may be correct was discussed after General Zolotov was appointed Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Interior Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in 2013. In 2014, General Viktor Zolotov was appointed First Deputy Minister of the Interior - Commander-in-Chief of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.

Meanwhile, in the first half of 2000, more than ten years ago, it was planned to change the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Then it was said about the possible creation of four main structures within the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation - the federal police consisting of criminal police units, public security police, migration police and special departments; federal investigation service; municipal police transferred to the maintenance of the regions; the federal guard into which the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation will be converted. At the same time, it was not excluded in 2004 that the federal guard from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation could go under the direct control of the President of the Russian Federation. The functions of the federal guard were to include the protection of public order, the provision of public safety in emergency situations, the protection of especially important objects of state importance, the fight against terrorism and organized crime.

Naturally, the idea of ​​forming the National Guard as separate troops, subordinate directly to the president and focused on solving operational tasks of ensuring national security and protecting the constitutional order of the country, then caused numerous criticism from the Russian opposition, especially of the liberal side. The government was almost blamed for creating “guardsmen” not controlled by the federal ministry responsible for law and order. At the same time, the oppositionists ignored the fact that such structures exist in many countries of the world, including their beloved United States of America (National Guard), as well as such countries of Europe as France (National Gendarmerie) and Spain (Civil Guard). However, neither in 2004, nor in 2012. there were no measures to create the National Guard, so it seemed to many that this idea would remain at the level of long-term projects and is unlikely to be implemented in the foreseeable future. General of the Army Nikolai Rogozhkin, commanding the Internal Troops, said that the Internal Troops would retain their status and former appearance until 2015, as the Security Council of the Russian Federation decided. As you can see, he was right - the situation changed in 2016. From April 5 2016, the National Guard in the Russian Federation can count the beginning of its existence.

National Guard of Russia. They talked about its creation for more than ten years


Some analysts speak of the creation of the National Guard as a separate power structure, separated from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, as an enhancement of the personal political positions of specific individuals, in particular, the commander-in-chief of the Interior Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, General Viktor Zolotov. This version of the journalists RIA News voiced by the head of the Center for Economic and Political Reforms Nikolay Mironov. A new independent power structure, which will work in close contact with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but at the same time being well-armed, trained and highly mobile troops, is an additional power resource for power. Naturally, the position of the leader of this power structure and its influence in the higher echelons of the Russian government is increasing dramatically. On the evening of April 5, it became known that President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin signed a decree appointing General of the Army Viktor Zolotov to be the director of the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation.

At the same time, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation also received “compensation” - the Federal Migration Service and the Federal Drug Control Service were included in the ministry. In fact, the isolation of these structures from the Ministry of Internal Affairs at one time was quite a controversial idea. After all, the creation of independent migration and anti-drug structures significantly complicated the functioning of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and law enforcement in general, since there was a need for interdepartmental coordination of activities. In addition, the ministry and federal services in some matters performed virtually duplicative functions, and the FMS and Federal Drug Control Service officers still did not have the full powers of the police officers and were not perceived by society as such. An even more important problem was the lack of staff of the Federal Drug Control Service and the separation of the functions of the department from the fight against ordinary crimes, which are closely related to the spread or use of drugs. This created additional difficulties in the fight against crime in the territory of the Russian Federation. So, the decision to transfer the FMS and Federal Drug Control Service to the Ministry of Internal Affairs can be considered quite justifiable, especially in difficult economic conditions, when there really will not be reductions in the budget expenditures related to the financing of independent law enforcement agencies.



The importance of strengthening the troops ensuring national security and protecting the country's constitutional order is beyond doubt. Moreover, in such a difficult situation that we see today in the world, including in close proximity to the Russian borders. The fight against terrorism and extremism, with the threat of new “hybrid wars”, with “color revolutions” and riots implies the creation of a modern and mobile power structure capable of effectively responding to all the challenges and risks of modernity. Therefore, it is difficult to challenge the relevance of the creation of the National Guard, especially since this issue has been repeatedly worked out by the Russian leadership at the highest level.

However, some questions are caused by the “symbolic” side of the formation of a new power structure. As you know, the First National Guard was created in Paris in 1789 in accordance with the decision of the Constituent Assembly of France - to protect the order in the city during the Great French Revolution and subsequent events. Later, the National Guard called the armed forces of the Paris Commune. In 1872, the French National Guard was dissolved. Then this name began to be used by militarized formations that performed the functions of protecting internal order and national security in a number of countries around the world. It is noteworthy that the name “National Guard” itself is used primarily in those countries with which the Soviet Union, and then the Russian Federation, had very complex relations.

The most famous, of course, is the National Guard of the United States of America, which is an organized reserve of the US Armed Forces and is used to suppress riots and popular uprisings, to eliminate the consequences of emergency situations, to combat crime and illegal armed groups. Their national guards in the twentieth century and now has a number of countries in Central and South America - they created these structures along the lines of the US National Guard. In 1990-s. National Guard units existed in Chechnya under the rule of Dzhokhar Dudayev, in Georgia. The National Guard was created in the post-Soviet republics - Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine, where it actually replaced the former Internal Troops, taking most of their functions. At the same time, in Ukraine, the National Guard existed twice - from 1991 to 2000. and, again, from 2014, on the basis of internal troops. Up to the present, the National Guard of Ukraine is not a separate power structure, but is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the country.

After the events in Ukraine 2013-2014. and the beginning of the armed conflict in the Donbass, the very phrase “National Guard” has acquired a negative connotation for many Russian citizens. Ukrainian "National Guard" served in the media exclusively as a punitive organization dedicated to the suppression of speeches of residents of Donbass and terrorizing the population of Russian-speaking territories. The so-called “volunteer battalions of the National Guard”, largely staffed by activists of Ukrainian nationalist organizations, became notorious. Many war crimes committed on the territory of Donbass were associated with the activities of these battalions. In one of these battalions, the well-known Nadezhda Savchenko, recently convicted by a Russian court, served as a spotter.

Of course, the very phrase “National Guard” cannot bear negative implications - the guard is the best, selected units, the National Guard is the best, selected troops of the country used to protect national security. However, the war in the Donbass for many made the phrase "National Guard" a household word. Now it cuts off hearing, if not the majority, then a considerable part of Russians for sure. And first of all it concerns the same residents of the Crimea, recently reunited with Russia. In general, with the renaming of the Internal Troops to the National Guard, the same may arise история, as with the renaming of the police to the police. In everyday life, many Russians still call the police the police, the police the police, the exact same situation can be, if, instead of the well-known “BB-Schnick”, appear “national guardsmen”. In any case, the adaptation of the Russians to the new name will take quite a long time.
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  1. Oleneboy_
    Oleneboy_ April 6 2016 06: 09
    +77
    The police were renamed the police. Now the National Guard. The guard is from the Italian guards. In our country there is nothing more to do ???
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 April 6 2016 06: 15
      +21
      Putin is only interested in foreign policy, what is happening inside the country does not bother him much
      1. VP
        VP April 6 2016 07: 01
        +14
        Sorry, but are you interested in anything besides politics in general on this site?
        1. igor67
          igor67 April 6 2016 10: 01
          -30%
          Quote: VP
          Sorry, but are you interested in anything besides politics in general on this site?

          05.04.1620/21/XNUMX: XNUMX
          In Syria, another Russian soldier died, Orenday.ru reports with reference to sources. We are talking about special forces officer Vadim Tumakov.
          "Cargo-200" was brought to the officer's homeland - to Pokrovka. Tumakov, like Alexander Prokhorenko, participated in the liberation of Syria from terrorists, the portal writes. “My wife went to Rostov-on-Don for identification,” the regional registry office told the newspaper.
          Tumakov served under a contract. The business trips he went on were long. "Vadim tried to get away from our questions. He never shared where he was and what he saw," the relatives told the publication.
          Under what circumstances the commando was killed, not reported.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 April 6 2016 10: 37
            +11
            Quote: igor67 In Syria, another Russian soldier died, Orenday.ru reports with reference to sources. We are talking about special forces officer Vadim Tumakov.

            “Vadim Tumakov completed his service in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and was dismissed more than 10 years ago,” RIA Novosti quoted the source as saying. http://rusvesna.su/news/1459888457
            Who should be trusted? The sources are different.
            1. igor67
              igor67 April 6 2016 10: 47
              -1
              Quote: avva2012
              Quote: igor67 In Syria, another Russian soldier died, Orenday.ru reports with reference to sources. We are talking about special forces officer Vadim Tumakov.

              “Vadim Tumakov completed his service in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and was dismissed more than 10 years ago,” RIA Novosti quoted the source as saying. http://rusvesna.su/news/1459888457
              Who should be trusted? The sources are different.

              I don’t know, I saw the news on the news in a running line, nobody voiced aloud,
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 April 6 2016 10: 57
                +6
                Quote: igor67I don’t know, I saw the news on the news in a running line, nobody voiced aloud

                Orenday.ru is the site "News of Orenburg", hereinafter: RBC, Verstov Info: "News of Magnitogorsk". Reputable and respected news agencies. On Yandex, so far like this:
                In the Netherlands, a vote began on the association of Ukraine with the EU
                Savchenko again began a dry hunger strike
                The UN Security Council blocked the Russian draft statement on Syria
                Most Russians believed in the eradication of corruption
                In the capital revealed the corruption scheme of draft evasion
                Time: 10 hours.55min. Moscow.
                We will see.
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 April 6 2016 12: 44
                +2
                We looked. 6 April, Wednesday 17: 43 Yandex.
                The National Guard will be able to use military equipment to curb unrest
                In the Netherlands, a vote is held on the association of Ukraine with the EU
                China proposed moving its enterprises to the Russian Far East
                Savchenko again began a dry hunger strike
                12 Russian supposedly killed in Syria years ago served as a baker in the Ministry of Internal Affairs
                MOSCOW, 6 Apr - RIA News. Russian Vadim Tumakov, whose death in Syria was reported by a number of media outlets, did indeed serve in the Vityaz special forces unit of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, but it was an urgent service, from 2002 to 2004, the head of the press service of the troops Vasily Panchenkov told RIA Novosti ...
                According to Panchenkov, Tumakov served as a baker of the material support group in the Vityaz detachment, and at the end of his service he was dismissed in accordance with the law. He noted that the troops did not have information about what Tumakov was doing after his dismissal and whether he continued military career. "12 years have passed since his dismissal, and the Internal Troops are not tracking the fate of their former privates and sergeants," Panchenkov said. http://ria.ru/syria_chronicle/20160406/1403364191.html#ixzz452Px13kV
          2. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 April 6 2016 10: 57
            -4
            Igor! What’s the matter with your banner? For the people of Russia, a shot with NG is a rather twofold situation. Building an NG structure with 400 hundred bayonets of personnel as opposed to a million two hundred cornered below the baseboard means the King He died, long live the KING !!! Hello oprichnina? Now it becomes clear the construction of training centers for special forces in the Caucasus. WILL THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS BE?
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 April 6 2016 11: 12
              +19
              Quote: zadorin1974 Hello oprichnina

              Ivan the Terrible oprichnina introduced because of what? What goals and goals to achieve?
              I do not understand how sideways the works of art are: “The Prince of Silver” and “The Song about Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich, the young oprichnik and the daring merchant Kalashnikov,” have a relation to history?
              On the site the words are common: NKVD !!! Oprichnina?
              The terrible horror is about to begin!
              You were interested, and against whom was the oprichnina created and what kind of structure it was? And, the question: "Why did our (not our) liberal community, together with the Western one, take up arms against Tsar Ivan?" Maybe because Russia under Ivan the Terrible became a State with which they began to reckon and fear? And, if there was no oprichnina, maybe our state repeated the fate of the Commonwealth?
              I would not want to.
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 April 6 2016 11: 35
                +5
                Judging by the "Prince of Silver", you are from the works of the USSR (far from EITY YOUR STUFF). The idea was not for the concept of OPRICHINA, read between the lines, who will be involved and how all this will continue. Earlier, I was answered the question about the organization of training centers special units in the North Caucasus: I actually live among the Chechens and I know their attitude, as they say firsthand!
                They, especially young people, absolutely don't care about Russia and Putin, they do not recognize any power other than their own, the power of Kadyrov! For them, he is just a messiah!
                Ramzan Kadyrov said clearly: "I am an infantryman of President Putin!"
                So draw conclusions ... This is a MAN's statement whose opinion I believe
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 April 6 2016 12: 14
                  -3
                  Quote: zadorin1974 read between the lines - who will be involved and how it will continue.

                  If the actions are against grantassos and thieves in power, then who cares, who, how and by whom. If, I understood your point correctly.
                  1. Al1977
                    Al1977 April 6 2016 12: 56
                    +4
                    If the action is against grantassos and thieves in power

                    That is, is it against Putin’s friends and hangers-on?
                  2. Greenwood
                    Greenwood April 10 2016 11: 17
                    0
                    Quote: avva2012
                    against grantassos and thieves in power
                    Bees versus honey? It’s ridiculous. laughing fool
              2. Hon
                Hon April 6 2016 16: 42
                +1
                Tsar Ivan eventually banned the oprichnina himself.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 April 6 2016 16: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: Hon Tsar Ivan eventually banned the oprichnina himself.

                  He, not that forbade. It is difficult to ban what was formed as a result of his reforms. Historians write that there was a social elevator. Some boyars left, new ones came, not so noble. Peter the Great also arranged the same elevator. True, on a smaller scale. Do not find the relationship between these personalities and how much der poured on them?
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              4. Weyland
                Weyland April 7 2016 00: 48
                0
                Quote: avva2012
                You were interested, and against whom the oprichnina was created and what kind of structure was this?


                And you were wondering why, after 7 years, Ivan the Terrible liquidated the oprichnina and henceforth forbade her to be mentioned as an unsuccessful experiment?
            2. Midshipman
              Midshipman April 6 2016 11: 40
              0
              For about ten years now, our homegrown philosophers have been gossiping. There is nothing wrong with this if implemented correctly. By the way, why do you need elections, from whom will we choose?
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 April 6 2016 12: 02
                +3
                Yes, Sergey, my children are growing, I would like to raise grandchildren! Over the past four years, my family lost one-third of the income, the prices went 150-300%. What is it about? Another piece about military communism?
                1. Midshipman
                  Midshipman April 6 2016 18: 02
                  -1
                  Not war communism, but rather a "Stalinist" type of planned economy. And in order to break the backbone of the new boyars - liberal monetarists in the struggle for this - a new oprichina is just needed.
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS April 7 2016 01: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: Midshipman
                    And in order to break the ridge in the struggle for this, the new boyars, the liberal monetarists, just need a new cause.

                    Historical experience shows that the Ridge, the scoundrels you listed, can be broken only by the people.
                    1. Midshipman
                      Midshipman April 7 2016 07: 44
                      +2
                      The people will do what the leader orders him - this really shows historical experience. And he also shows that people are usually used for destructive purposes, or rather self-destructive.
                      1. kon125
                        kon125 April 10 2016 00: 51
                        +1
                        Amen. The National Guard is the instrument of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief for maintaining stability in the country. In order not to be tempted to change the situation in the country by force. Quickly, quickly stop organized terrorism. Which has a ramified structure throughout Russia. That our children sleep peacefully. There were no terrorist attacks. Do not try to gather in unauthorized rallies lovers of the Maidan.
                        In order to calmly solve the accumulated problems with the regional so-called elites created during the years of independent Russia, such as the Dagestansky ones, to quickly respond to threats in the border zone, in the KTO zone, the intensified preparation of the Special Forces BB does not make the choice for the following conclusions; For this, exercises of such complexity are not needed. Of course, it’s really ready to disperse democrats and other police actions. But the National Guard is just a tool for waging a new type of war. It is a network of centric military organizations, non-state paramilitary groups, terrorist threats. . Enemies let them fear. But I personally feel calmer from this.
            3. alex86
              alex86 April 6 2016 20: 37
              0
              Quote: zadorin1974
              Hello oprichnina
              Is it CA or SS?
              1. mult-65
                mult-65 April 7 2016 20: 30
                0
                Neither one nor the other. Party attack aircraft and guard units (NSDAP) were created before the latter came to power.
                1. alex86
                  alex86 April 7 2016 22: 20
                  0
                  CA - before, SS - after. We believe that the party (United Russia) is already in power, then the SS, or not yet (Popular Front) - then the SA.
                  And mind you, the SA (albeit without Rem after the "Kristallnacht") lasted until 45 and even (unlike the SS) was not recognized as a criminal organization - then it is more likely SA (so that it would not be involved later).
                  And also (not quite in the subject), I was served by a prisoner of domestic killer named Okorokov, so he had a friend - Zolotov, then a linguistic transformation: he is Zolotov, he has Zolotov, or ZolotOva, so he is Golden. So, there was Zolotov, became Golden (thanks for not being a goldsmith ...)
                  1. alex86
                    alex86 April 8 2016 22: 54
                    0
                    Quote: alex86
                    was Zolotov, became Golden

                    Here, by the way, they got the information that a person with a 100% coincidence of the full name with the full name of the son of Zolotov has a house (if I am not mistaken) worth 500 million rubles - here he is Zolotoy.
      2. ruAlex
        ruAlex April 6 2016 10: 41
        0
        Putin must have told you this personally in secret.
      3. Al1977
        Al1977 April 6 2016 10: 43
        +2
        Quote: Yak28
        Putin is only interested in foreign policy, what is happening inside the country does not bother him much

        But it is necessary to cover the rear)))) So that the "liberals" would not sit up)))) And then the crisis ... offshore ... someone rocks the boat ... your own army at such a time will not hurt)
        1. SerB60
          SerB60 April 6 2016 23: 29
          0
          Quote: Al1977
          Quote: Yak28
          Putin is only interested in foreign policy, what is happening inside the country does not bother him much

          But it is necessary to cover the rear)))) So that the "liberals" would not sit up)))) And then the crisis ... offshore ... someone rocks the boat ... your own army at such a time will not hurt)

          From the renaming of the explosives to the National Guard, the tasks of these troops do not change. The commander-in-chief could "build" explosives before. And what does the oprichina, personal troops have to do with it? Only liberals took up arms against the organizational restructuring of the BB.
      4. Altona
        Altona April 6 2016 12: 26
        +26
        Quote: Yak28
        Putin is only interested in foreign policy, what is happening inside the country does not bother him much

        ----------------------
        Judging by such gestures, it’s just what interests me. The police and the National Guard are instruments of suppressing discontent and preserving the bourgeois order. This police was an instrument for observing Soviet legality, public law and order and the rights of citizens. Feel the difference, what's called.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS April 6 2016 13: 03
          +8
          Quote: Altona
          The police and the National Guard are instruments of suppressing discontent and preserving the bourgeois order. This police was an instrument for observing Soviet legality, public law and order and the rights of citizens.

          Everything is clear and understandable!
          Absolutely support! ++++++++++
        2. Passer
          Passer April 6 2016 13: 16
          +2
          And more recently, everyone over Ukrainians with their National Guard neighing ...
          We are waiting for the appearance of Terbats, fortunately one "specialist" from there in the Penitentiary Service has arranged a business trip for a couple of decades.
        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag April 6 2016 17: 16
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          The police and the National Guard are instruments of suppressing discontent and preserving the bourgeois order.

          On the one hand, yes, on the other hand, two fragments come to mind - in the 30s Germany also built parallel power structures with the type of personal devotion and submission to the very top, and Paul I, he even built a castle for personal safety, one general from The Ministry of Internal Affairs recently took the initiative to fully control the Internet, people laughed of course then, but somehow the precipitate remained, by the way there are restrictions on leaving behind the scenes as an element of this puzzle too, amazing times, I’ll tell you ...
        4. not main
          not main April 6 2016 21: 10
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          The police and the National Guard are instruments of suppressing discontent and preserving the bourgeois order. This police was an instrument for observing Soviet legality, public law and order and the rights of citizens.

          Have you ever noticed a difference in work somewhere, after the police became police? Just a two letter replacement!
          1. atalef
            atalef April 6 2016 21: 31
            0
            Quote: non-primary
            Have you ever noticed a difference in work somewhere, after the police became police? Just a two letter replacement!

            Indeed, if the same thing, why the hell was the policemen turned into policemen?
        5. sherp2015
          sherp2015 April 6 2016 23: 22
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          The police and the National Guard are instruments of suppressing discontent and preserving the bourgeois order.


          And the protection of the slave system ...
      5. yurii p
        yurii p April 6 2016 13: 07
        -5
        because Putin has a tacit agreement with Dimon and EDR with Gazprom, Putin is engaged in foreign policy and does not go into the economy (so as not to interfere with stealing), apparently it was time to intervene.
    2. OlegV
      OlegV April 6 2016 06: 29
      +27
      We’ll wait and see ... maybe something will come out of this venture, all the same, they won’t reveal to us all the ideas they have there.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 6 2016 06: 39
        +32
        Renaming police to police has changed a lot in the country?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 06: 55
          +13
          Quote: Darkness
          Renaming police to police has changed a lot in the country?

          Has it gotten worse?
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn April 6 2016 06: 57
            +39
            Money spent no changes, therefore, my taxes went nowhere, it’s bad.
            1. VP
              VP April 6 2016 07: 08
              +5
              How are Romanian taxes and changes related in Russia?
              1. cth; fyn
                cth; fyn April 6 2016 08: 09
                +9
                Apparently you did not follow the latest changes to the site, now the flags are assigned automatically and do not depend on the place of residence of the site participant, but they depend on the Internet operator. I have a megaphone and therefore the Romanian flag, although I live in Khakassia.
            2. Bruss
              Bruss April 6 2016 09: 50
              +9
              Something no change !? They are!!! Those who now serve in the police are simply hung up on innovation!
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 6 2016 10: 52
                +8
                Quote: bruss
                just hang from innovation!

                That's right! good The cells were cut, and the work was hung on the rest. It’s almost impossible to finalize before retirement.
                1. Bruss
                  Bruss April 6 2016 13: 13
                  +5
                  In my former department, for the first time in 25 years, a kit! Personnel officers for the first time do not receive a reprimand for picking!
                  Despite the fact that the remaining forces do not have time at all, because the length of the routes has grown to 35 km or more!
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 07: 07
            +36
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Has it gotten worse?

            Sasha is worse worse, the operas are done away with - USTM and PTP will do nothing if they don’t - the iron hangs, I’m glad that the fools can’t do without cell phones, or even a whit.
            They’re an opera recruiting agents, it seems only from the NTV series (telewash) they will find out ... The main thing is to unsubscribe and that's all.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 12
              +10
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Worse Sasha worse, the operas are done away with

              Do you want Kohl, today in skype to talk with operas?
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              About recruiting agents, they’re an opera,

              According to the agents, as one opera told me, there are so many people who want to knock (become an agent) in our country that he is sometimes sick of the abomination. They are ready to surrender everyone around them. And this also applies to so-called authorities.
              So let's not talk about the police.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 07: 39
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Do you want Kohl, today in skype to talk with operas?

                Ok if I don’t fall asleep by then - I am a lark)))))
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  Ok if I don’t fall asleep by then - I am a lark)))

                  18 00 in Moscow hi
              2. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 April 6 2016 08: 41
                +13
                that he is sometimes sick of the abomination.

                I don’t know what kind of opera you know, who firstly speaks with you about agents (this is the case), and secondly, who is sick of having unofficial assistants. And the pluses, obviously, pour out of habit for such a comment.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 10: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: rotmistr60
                  who firstly talks with you about the agents (the case is the jurisdiction)

                  He does not talk to me about agents. The general state of affairs in our lives
                  Quote: rotmistr60
                  and secondly, who is sick of having unofficial assistants.

                  Yes, I understand him, knowing how the lads are bending his fingers, but he spreads them for life, and then sitting in his office he merges everyone.
                  There are still people of black suit, but as they say, there’s no one to sit with anymore. The asset steers.
                  1. zadorin1974
                    zadorin1974 April 6 2016 12: 17
                    +2
                    Romanov! There is such a village of Blagodatnoye in your Khabarovsk Territory (well, very close to Prince-Balkonsky) and there were lynxes with the officers too. You still have ALYA 90 at Dalniy. We still have systematically colleagues from the hospital pick up (heavy-beaten) so tell me, what percentage of disclosure and failure?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov April 8 2016 04: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: zadorin1974
                      You still have ALYA 90

                      We have no more lads here, the show-off remained, but the lads are not.
                      Quote: zadorin1974
                      So tell me, what is the percentage of disclosure and failure?

                      No calls, no problems hi
              3. 31rus2
                31rus2 April 6 2016 08: 51
                +2
                Alexander is just pounding, and not giving the right information
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              5. mitya24
                mitya24 April 6 2016 09: 10
                +8
                Correct if I misunderstood. An officer of the criminal investigation department is sick of a large number of agents ???? And it was generally operas ??? Good stories to spread.
                1. rotmistr60
                  rotmistr60 April 6 2016 09: 19
                  +6
                  And it was generally operas ???

                  Apparently virtual. A professional will never say this, much less in a conversation with an outsider in this matter.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 8 2016 01: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: rotmistr60
                    A professional will never say this, much less in a conversation with an outsider in this matter.

                    Where did you see an outsider? bully
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 8 2016 04: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: rotmistr60
                    Apparently virtual. A professional will never say this, much less in a conversation with an outsider in this matter.

                    Am I an outsider? This suggests that you have not a single cop known.
                2. Captain45
                  Captain45 April 6 2016 09: 36
                  +11
                  Quote: mitya24
                  An officer of the criminal investigation department is sick of a large number of agents ????

                  Most likely, he is sick of informers like: "And yesterday Vaska Kryvoy was again at the entrance with ... sal", although they also have some benefit, but there are not enough agents, namely agents, who provide information. there is practically nothing, only a compra, and this is unreliable. The operas are retired and communicate with colleagues.
                  1. rotmistr60
                    rotmistr60 April 6 2016 09: 51
                    -1
                    He himself opers in retirement and communicate with colleagues.

                    Then they should know perfectly well that earlier in the office the stake was placed on an ideological basis, and in mentovka they always recruited only on a comprom and this gave and gives its results.
                    1. Captain45
                      Captain45 April 6 2016 09: 58
                      +8
                      Quote: rotmistr60
                      and in mentovka always recruited only on the compra and it gave and gives its results.

                      It depends on how to work with a person, there were cases, I started with a compra, and then for an idea or from a friendly relationship with an opera. And all the time to keep on a comp ..., time goes by and the comp loses its relevance, unless of course it is a hidden "mock", but it’s more expensive to joke with such things, you’ll sit next to me.
                      1. alexej123
                        alexej123 April 6 2016 11: 26
                        +5
                        I support. It will not work for a long time on the "compressor". At the very least, it will drain the frank "bullshit" that is "neither to the village nor to the city." There are also few ideological ones (from personal experience). The main part is when a trusting relationship develops between an opera and ... on various grounds (including personal sympathy). How to endear a person to himself - at least this is "Zheglov's Rules", when in the evening he teaches in Sharapov's communal apartment.
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 8 2016 04: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: mitya24
                  An officer of the criminal investigation department is sick of a large number of agents ??

                  Not from the quantity, but from the guys who are right in life, who are ready to turn everyone around. On the arrow, he bends his fingers and throws out concepts, and in his office turns into a fluffy hamster.
                  Quote: mitya24
                  And it was generally operas ??? Good stories to spread.

                  Hey dear, come on Skype, you can chat with both parties.
            2. Alexey-74
              Alexey-74 April 6 2016 11: 20
              +5
              plus, criminologists with tolerances cut ... young opera is a nightmare of some sort ....
          3. Darkness
            Darkness April 6 2016 07: 07
            +4
            Did it get any better?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 13
              +4
              Quote: Darkness
              Did it get any better?

              Better not and worse not so? So what the hell are you yelling on the site here that everything disappeared when you renamed the police? Why, so to shout.
              1. Oden280
                Oden280 April 6 2016 07: 44
                +24
                Using the reform as an excuse they put an end to all those who were objectionable. In the regional departments there are 2-3 operas left that drag the staff, while the rest are involved in resolving issues in their own and bosses' favor. The higher the level, the more interesting the situation. About the appointment of leadership in general a special song. But in the 90s there was no such mess. For reference, I served in this structure for 20 years, now retired.
              2. Darkness
                Darkness April 6 2016 07: 52
                +8
                Those. useless business carried out.
                I wonder how much dough was lowered for this?
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 April 6 2016 09: 43
                  +6
                  Quote: Darkness
                  I wonder how much dough was lowered for this?

                  I'm afraid to make a mistake, but it was not 400, or 600 of millions of rubles that was spent on renaming, reworking forms, seals and signs. And also the form, new salaries wassat Data on the cost of reform were in print, looking for a long time.
          4. atalef
            atalef April 6 2016 07: 17
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Darkness
            Renaming police to police has changed a lot in the country?

            Has it gotten worse?

            Hey . Sanya !!
            Article Title - They talked about the creation of NG for more than 10 years belay
            Can I be deaf? 7 Has anyone really heard this?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 28
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              7 Has anyone really heard this?

              For a long time someone offered, but then everything calmed down. Although in our country, constantly, someone offers something. He even stopped paying attention.
              My middle eastern brother is healthy laughing
              1. WUA 518
                WUA 518 April 6 2016 08: 49
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                For a long time who suggested, but then everything calmed down
                An attempt was made in the Russian Federation to create a National Guard. At a rally near the White House on August 20, 1991, those present spontaneously began to enlist in units and units of the Russian Guard (RG). Guided by paragraph 11 of Art. 121-5 of the Constitution of the RSFSR, by decisions of the Extraordinary Session of the Supreme Council of Russia from August 21-23, President Boris Yeltsin instructed the Vice-President of the RSFSR Alexander Rutsky to begin forming the WG to strengthen the protection of the constitutional order and democratic conquests, the creation of additional guarantees of law and order in the country .
                It was planned to entrust the WG with the solution of the following tasks: providing by legal means of effective protection, security and normal functioning of the bodies of state power and administration of the RSFSR, republics, territories and regions within the Federation; participation in the implementation of the necessary measures provided for by the legislation on the state of emergency to normalize the situation in the regions affected by social, national and other widespread conflicts; rendering assistance to law enforcement agencies in matters of ensuring law and order, strengthening the rule of law, combating terrorism, separatism and organized crime; assistance to state bodies in providing assistance in eliminating the consequences of natural disasters and catastrophes First of all, before March 1, 1992, it was supposed to form the first brigade in Moscow (on the basis of OMSDON in the city of Reutov), ​​the General Headquarters with subordinate employees (in Moscow), and regional formations of the RG - until December 1, 1995. The leadership of the formation of the RG and the development of the draft law on the Guard were entrusted to the Vice-President of the RSFSR A.V. Rutskoi. The Russian government was asked to submit a plan of the main measures for the creation of the WG by December 30, 1991, and to resolve the issues of material and technical support and financing (including the payment of salaries to personnel) at the expense of the republican budget, as well as at the expense of extra-budgetary sources. The money allowance of the "guards officer" was supposed to be 10-15% more than the military
                Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/3521
                Quote
                But the presidential decree was never issued. Several reasons contributed to this. For example, A. Rutskoi, who was entrusted with preparing a package of documents on the Guard, has been in opposition to the President, Secretary of State G. Burbulis since September 1991, and calling (during a trip to Altai) E. Gaidar "a boy in pink panties", - and the government. Also, by the end of October 1991, it became clear that there was a struggle between the state secretary and the vice president for influence on B. Yeltsin, which also did not strengthen the position of the commission on the WG. It was not without reason that one of the issues of Komsomolskaya Pravda, published at that time, placed on a spread a view of the opposing wings of the fourth floor of the White House and photographs of their owners: the vice-president and his secretariat on the right, the secretary of state and his secretariat on the left.
                In addition, it has already become clear that the Soviet Union is living its last days, so the president’s circle was strongly opposed to the creation of parallel Armed Forces, especially since the RG under the draft decree was supervised by A. Rutsky, and in that situation it would be inappropriate.
                1. WUA 518
                  WUA 518 April 6 2016 08: 51
                  +2
                  In many cities, National Guard units were created spontaneously. This is most widespread in Moscow and St. Petersburg. In Moscow, guardsmen were simultaneously received in two structures: the first - in the Moscow City Hall, where, in accordance with the orders of the mayor G. Popov of August 24, No. 129-RM and of August 28, 1991, No. 131-RM, a commission was created to form the Moscow brigade National Guard of the RSFSR. The commission worked for about a month, selecting about 3000 people for service in the guard. On September 27, 1991, by order No. 181-RM, the formation of the National Guard of the city of Moscow was terminated "pending the release of federal legislative documents." A very powerful propaganda campaign was carried out by another structure - the Union of Social Protection of Servicemen and Members of Their Families "Shield", which was headed by V. Urazhtsev, a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR. It also hosted a reception for the National Guard (over 10 people signed up).
                  Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/3521
                  Quote
                  According to information from the selection committee, at first all interested patriots from 18 to 60 years old were enrolled in the National Guard. But since in addition to "honest retired officers" there were asked to go there and "not quite capable", as well as "capable, but not quite sane", Rutskoi ordered to introduce competitive selection (for strength and dexterity) and an interview (for wit). “This is important: either you just gave it in the eye, or you thought and gave it in the eye,” he explained to the Kommersant correspondent. D. USSR Vladimir Vinokur, who, according to him, appeared in the White House on September 12 together with N. D. USSR by Joseph Kobzon as chiefs of the guard.
                  While the problem of the National Guard is in the stage of comprehension, and Rutskoi left for Italy, General Kobets ordered himself a map of Moscow "the size of a room" in order to "properly divide it into sectors" - in the expectation that in three weeks it would be possible to create the Moscow and Presidential brigades using the existing technical base (armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, armored reconnaissance vehicles, tank regiment, communications center, barracks) and trustworthy specialists of the former KGB troops: brigades in Teply Stan and Dzerzhinsky's divisions. He plans to finance the new formation partly from the state budget for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB of the USSR, partly from charitable donations from Russian citizens. Kobets is going to hire professionals under a contract for 1000 rubles a month plus rations, and the second part of the guard - from the militia. With the mayor's consent, it is planned to create a battalion in each prefecture and a working group of 100-150 people in factories. The number of those occupied by the defense of Moscow will reach, according to Kobets' estimates, 20 thousand.
              2. g1v2
                g1v2 April 6 2016 10: 51
                +6
                Personally, as far back as 5 years ago, I thought that the unification of the centuries, riot police, and sobr into a single militarized structure, with federal subordination, is a useful thing. True name is so-so. It would be better to call the Ministry of Internal Defense or the internal guard - but at least the gendarmes are getting better. All the same, the name ng was successfully remembered in different countries.
                And by the way, I read the decree, but it is much more interesting. In addition to cc, riot police and sobr there also pass all the aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Plus all issues with weapon control and chop. That is, this structure will have under its cap all the chop and all weapons inside the country. And I think that private security guards will begin to pull up as a reserve for ng. And the Chopovites in our country — for several armies. That is, it is also the formation of a reserve for mo. A very and interesting decree. hi
                1. pinachet
                  pinachet April 6 2016 13: 59
                  +1
                  here, as a worker, the chop really excites me ... will there be another requisition in this regard!
                  1. g1v2
                    g1v2 April 6 2016 15: 15
                    +2
                    I won’t say anything about extortions, but the chop will probably be enlarged sooner or later. Someone will probably be deprived of a license. There are too many of them, and not all are clean.
                2. Oden280
                  Oden280 April 6 2016 19: 07
                  +4
                  How can units be combined with completely different tasks?
                  VV - participation, together with the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation, in protecting public order, ensuring public safety and the state of emergency;
                  Riot police - the protection of public order during mass events, the prevention of crime, the suppression of cases of mass crime.
                  SOBR - power support of operational investigative actions, detention and liquidation of especially dangerous, armed criminals and organized groups.
                  Everything else is completely different methods of acquisition and preparation.
            2. WUA 518
              WUA 518 April 6 2016 08: 36
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Can I be deaf? 7 Has anyone really heard this?

              Hi Sani. Rutskoi and his entourage spoke of the 90s about the creation of the National Guard.
          5. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 07: 48
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Darkness
            Renaming police to police has changed a lot in the country?

            Has it gotten worse?

            In principle, this is correct.
            The militia is a militia.
          6. Very old
            Very old April 6 2016 08: 31
            +7
            NO!
            Got better?
            NO!

            Question: Why did they plant a garden?
            1. Muvka
              Muvka April 6 2016 10: 22
              -8
              The one who does nothing is not mistaken. Suggest doing nothing?
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood April 10 2016 11: 28
                +1
                I propose to deal with problems in the economy, snickering bankers with their prohibitive interest rates, bad roads, inflation, rising prices and tariffs for housing and communal services, low salaries and pensions from state employees and pensioners, unemployment in villages and single-industry towns, etc. But apparently the renaming of the police to the police and the internal troops to the National Guard is the most important problem in the country.
          7. Docent1984
            Docent1984 April 6 2016 09: 16
            +2
            Not a dog has changed
          8. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 April 6 2016 11: 21
            +4
            Yes, Sasha, it has become much worse in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          9. RUSS
            RUSS April 6 2016 15: 50
            -6
            Russian people are very conservative and cautiously and wary of everything new. As there were disputes about renaming the police and nothing took root, the National Guard also takes root.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood April 10 2016 11: 29
              +1
              Well, about settled down, extremely controversial. It still bugs me like that. And most importantly, why was this all about ?! Another Dimon’s attempt to imitate America ?!
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        2. Hagakure
          Hagakure April 6 2016 07: 14
          +3
          The form has become more beautiful ...
      2. 13 warrior
        13 warrior April 6 2016 11: 57
        +5
        The meaning is not in the names. And in the functions. VV are law enforcement troops. Involved where cops are already few, and the army seems to be so much. This is a well-known fact.
        They were Vovans, they will become national guardsmen. But the functions are generally the same. They’ll just spend a lot of money again on renaming, renewing, and so on. As was the case with traffic police, police, air defense / air force - airborne forces and others.
        From myself I’ll say, at one time he served in the BB. And I do not approve of renaming to the national guard. Unpleasant associations with the American, European and Ukrainian guards.
        1. plebs
          plebs April 6 2016 16: 54
          +3
          They were Vovans, they will become national guardsmen.
          They will become "Nazis", the National Guardsmen are very long. And "Natsik" has been in the language for 2 years already, due to the situation in Ukraine.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood April 10 2016 11: 33
            +1
            Normul, a good tandem with the "policemen". Hmm ... fool
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 06: 54
      -2
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      The police were renamed the police. Now the National Guard

      Well, so what happened, is something bad?
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      Raise the economy and do not change the name.

      Indeed, if you are sitting on the Internet and pick it up. Well oh well, what is wrong with economics now? And what does Putin need to do?
    4. VP
      VP April 6 2016 07: 05
      +16
      Sincerely amuses me one type of Internet users ...
      Let's say some guber does something.
      In the internet, "it would be better to make the road!"
      Makes roads, in response "enough to wash on the roads, it would be better to take care of hospitals!"
      Finishes the construction of a large medical center
      "enough to wash in hospitals, it would be better ...", etc.
      Are you also from the category of eternal advisers on the topic of what others should have done instead of what they do?
      1. askort154
        askort154 April 6 2016 08: 25
        +2
        VP .... Makes roads, in response; stop washing on the roads, it would be better if I took up hospitals!

        That's for sure! There is such a banter - "You can't understand the Ivanovs - she likes it, but he doesn't." We love "fluff up"! It's in our blood!
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 10: 44
        0
        Well, like this. All thieves around.
        But the one who does nothing is not mistaken.
      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 7 2016 01: 50
        +1
        Quote: VP
        Finishes the construction of a large medical center
        "enough to wash in hospitals, it would be better ...", etc.

        You I see also a lover of politics wink
        Here is a joke for you:
        And whose is our measure (Guber) does not finish building a house of 500 squares?
        -Tew, so he’s a brick from the house cnstole to complete the bath.
    5. Onotollah
      Onotollah April 6 2016 08: 04
      +4
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      . In our country there is nothing more to do ???

      It’s just what. Directly written - the fight against organized crime. Perhaps the fight against especially dangerous corrupt officials, personalities such as Chubais, Serdyukov and others will be pulled under this appointment. Therefore, direct subordination to the president is possible, so as not to fix the difficulties.
      As they say, blessed is he who believes, but it may still happen.
      Now corruption, kickbacks, and other abuses of the powers that be for attacking are cleaner than all the igils combined. It comes to the point that direct damage is being done to the country's defense. And for such good things, it’s not only necessary to sit down for good.
      Yes, and overseas partners on the hill are not particularly frustrating with such a state apparatus.
      Let's see what happens next.
      RUBOPs at one time in about 2 years solved the problem with the dashing lads of the 90s.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 6 2016 12: 19
        +3
        Quote: Onotolle
        It is possible that the fight against especially dangerous corrupt officials, personalities such as Chubais, Serdyukov and others will be pulled under this appointment.

        You are drawn to the main reason for this topic. Why does the president need a unit subordinate to him directly? That's for this. To take for the gills in person, without gaskets, from which it constantly flows.
        Is the GDP finally ripe for a decisive blow? Then a little time awaits us funny and amazing ...
    6. the polar
      the polar April 6 2016 08: 36
      +8
      The National Guard are essentially punitive units, half the size of the regular army
      In the regular army, the title "Guard" is awarded for a military feat in defending the Motherland. The punitive formation was given an advance payment. An unprecedented growth in the well-being of the people and a demonstration of oligarchs deprived of their profits are evidently expected.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina April 6 2016 09: 21
        +14
        Quote: Polar
        The National Guard are essentially punitive units, half the size of the regular army
        In the regular army, the title "Guard" is awarded for a military feat in defending the Motherland. The punitive formation was given an advance payment. An unprecedented growth in the well-being of the people and a demonstration of oligarchs deprived of their profits are evidently expected.


        Excuse me, but BB were not "punitive units" ?! You are generally more careful with the concept of punishers. These "punishers" have dragged out all the conflicts, starting with Karabakh, so before you write, think with your head, otherwise for such words from "punishers" you can get it in the eye.

        And in general, they did the direct subordination to the president correctly, otherwise we have gotten a lot of liberals, it’s time to do a massive sweep as well; For me, they choose the lesser of two evils, their bloodsuckers are better than the mattresses!
        1. Chiropractor
          Chiropractor April 6 2016 09: 58
          -5
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          and then we have a lot of liberals


          And here comes the order:
          Those who failed to comply with the decrees of the President of the Russian Federation are taken under arrest by the personal forces of the Presidency and are escorted to a personal prison ....
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina April 6 2016 11: 16
            +7
            Quote: Kostoprav
            And here comes the order:
            Those who failed to comply with the decrees of the President of the Russian Federation are taken under arrest by the personal forces of the Presidency and are escorted to a personal prison ....


            And what, already it became scary ?!
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 April 6 2016 11: 25
              0
              Quote: Diana Ilyina And what, already it became scary ?!

              Apparently, there are such people.
              I don’t know about you, but I would like it to become really scary.
              So that someone remembers that the Internet is not at all anonymous, that you can hack someone who needs an address and ask, "and, why are you, dear man, are you writing and what goals are you pursuing?" wink Ah, then punishers, you understand!
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina April 6 2016 11: 46
                +7
                Quote: avva2012
                Apparently, there are such people.
                I don’t know about you, but I would like it to become really scary.
                So that someone remembers that the Internet is not at all anonymous, that you can hack someone who needs an address and ask, "and, why are you, dear man, are you writing and what goals are you pursuing?" wink Ah, then punishers, you understand!


                I completely agree with you! My brother is for the "punisher", maybe he can pull his eyes on the ass! This "punisher" has a bunch of military missions under his belt, military awards and a couple of wounds! And also his colleagues, who laid down their heads during the "punitive" operations to restore constitutional order!
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 April 6 2016 12: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Diana Ilyina My brother is for the "punisher", maybe he can pull his eyes on the ass! This "punisher" has a bunch of military missions under his belt, military awards and a couple of wounds! And also his colleagues, who laid down their heads during the "punitive" guidance operations constitutional order!

                  It’s time for someone to pull on. The government is very liberal, everything is looking back at the West. If a person honestly talks about what he likes and what doesn't, then this is his right. And when, under a plausible pretext, people try to feed poison! These must be re-educated. Labor, made of a monkey ... And, in this case, if not a person, then at least a useful member of society.
                  Whoever does not like our constitutional order, let him go to Europe, and even better to the States. They will teach the motherland to love. And, also, Diana, I would like to say that your brother and his colleagues are the people because of which we still have order, and people have not turned into animals. Honor and praise!
            2. the polar
              the polar April 6 2016 16: 47
              0
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Quote: Kostoprav
              And here comes the order:
              Those who failed to comply with the decrees of the President of the Russian Federation are taken under arrest by the personal forces of the Presidency and are escorted to a personal prison ....


              And what, already it became scary ?!


              You are a lady, do not scare anyone here and do not shake from behind, but rather go to the bathhouse.
      2. VP
        VP April 6 2016 09: 41
        +10
        These "punishers" in both Chechens were plastered ... It is the combat experience that the Vovans have more than many in the "regular army"
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina April 6 2016 10: 49
          +7
          Quote: VP
          These "punishers" in both Chechens were plastered ... It is the combat experience that the Vovans have more than many in the "regular army"


          I confirm that I have a brother, an officer of the special forces of the BB, went through all the companies since the Ossetian-Ingush conflict, including both Chechen ones!

          Yesterday we had a conversation with him about the formation of NG. He says that it was high time he was transferred to the President's jurisdiction, but he does not like the renaming. Says "VoVans" beat "VoVans" and want to stay, the concept of the National Guard is alien to us, and it hurts our ears. And in general he has a saying, the cop is not a Kent for the VV, but the VV is also a cop!
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 10: 46
        +1
        Quote: Polar
        The National Guard are essentially punitive units, half the size of the regular army
        In the regular army, the title "Guard" is awarded for a military feat in defending the Motherland. The punitive formation was given an advance payment. An unprecedented growth in the well-being of the people and a demonstration of oligarchs deprived of their profits are evidently expected.

        I would like to know from you, and how do you feel about the NKVD detachment units.?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 6 2016 11: 08
          -1
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          I would like to know from you, and how do you feel about the NKVD detachment units.?

          NKVD troops or under the command of commanders from the NKVD? wink
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina April 6 2016 11: 13
            +7
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            I would like to know from you, and how do you feel about the NKVD detachment units.?

            NKVD troops or under the command of commanders from the NKVD? wink


            And what was the significant difference ?!
        2. the polar
          the polar April 6 2016 16: 57
          +5
          Quote: Cap.Morgan

          I would like to know from you, and how do you feel about the NKVD detachment units.?

          Do not confuse "personal wool with state". The NKVD detachments were organized in wartime and carried out the task of stabilizing the defense in a certain period of time. And they coped with it very well.
          1. mult-65
            mult-65 April 7 2016 20: 46
            0
            I do not understand why they were not introduced back in 1941?
      4. VIT101
        VIT101 April 6 2016 17: 00
        +4
        Quote: Polar
        The National Guard are essentially punitive units, half the size of the regular army
        In the regular army, the title "Guard" is awarded for a military feat in defending the Motherland.


        By this decree, the army concept of the Guard was lowered below the plinth, turning God into a guard at once, who knows. Their newly-minted boss is sitting in Putin’s photo as if in prostration, from excitement or something. But he guarded Sobchak himself. Means trustworthy. Goes one to one dear Korzhakova.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt April 6 2016 08: 47
      +4
      The Guard has always been created to protect the Power. Seen Kremlin is no longer enough. How to know.
    8. Boos
      Boos April 6 2016 09: 00
      +5
      Alarming submission to Putin personally, I correctly understood the meaning of what I read? In general, the National Guard is a completely different formation in terms of its meaning than that presented in the article. And Putin turns out in search of "praetorians"?))) Well, just Caesar, waiting for Brutus.
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx April 6 2016 10: 11
        +3
        and 20 thousand Chechen special forces, is not enough?
        1. the polar
          the polar April 6 2016 17: 02
          +1
          Quote: Leshy74
          and 20 thousand Chechen special forces, is not enough?

          And how do you think, how the appearance of "Chechen special forces" in cities with a Russian population can end for the authorities?
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth April 6 2016 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: Boos
        The submission to Putin is personally alarming; did I understand the meaning of what I read correctly?

        "The Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        Chapter 4. President of Russian Federation.
        3. The President of the Russian Federation, in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and federal laws, determines the main directions of domestic and foreign policy of the state.
        Chapter 6. The Government of the Russian Federation
        Article 110
        1. The executive power of the Russian Federation is exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation. "

        Indeed, what is the purpose of the reassignment of internal power structures from the Government to the President. And how does it relate to the Constitution? What for?
        1. Tambov Wolf
          Tambov Wolf April 6 2016 12: 04
          0
          If the goal is to begin to knit pro-American liberals-lyuds liberals, then the goal is holy, since half the government consists of them. Maybe the guarantor thought about depriving the government liberoids and their minions of the power component? Maybe it's time to start cleansing the country from the enemies of the people? Perhaps. We'll see, see.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS April 7 2016 01: 57
            +2
            Quote: Tambov Wolf
            . Maybe the guarantor was thinking about depriving the government liberoids and their minions of the power component? Maybe it's time to start cleansing the country from the enemies of the people? Perhaps. We'll see, see.

            enough to invent.
      3. saygon66
        saygon66 April 6 2016 13: 59
        +3
        - If only "... to Putin personally"! So Putin is not eternal ... In due time, he will leave, and this dangerous toy will still get to someone ...
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    9. Ivan_ich
      Ivan_ich April 6 2016 09: 59
      -1
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      The authorities were accused of almost creating “guardsmen” who were not under the control of the federal ministry responsible for the rule of law. At the same time, oppositionists ignored the fact that similar structures exist in many countries of the world, including the United States of America (National Guard) they love, as well as European countries such as France (National Gendarmerie) and Spain (Civil Guard).

      In theory, the presence of the president’s own power structure could help solve problems with the oligarchy more harshly and radically. The truth is now not the 90s, and we are not Ukraine. We'll see how it goes...
    10. Vend
      Vend April 6 2016 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      The police were renamed the police. Now the National Guard. The guard is from the Italian guards. In our country there is nothing more to do ???

      I do not quite understand the meaning of the national guard. Do we have enough troops?
    11. user
      user April 6 2016 10: 52
      +2
      The police were renamed the police. Now the National Guard.


      And the face of the new leader in this beret. . . . . . shorter as a saddle on. . . , although someone probably like it.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov April 6 2016 12: 04
        0
        what a difference what a face. Look at the beret. Sleepers bend
    12. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 April 6 2016 11: 16
      +6
      This is exactly what the change signage is for. The Federal Drug Control Service and the Federal Migration Service returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for which it was necessary to first allocate them to separate services? First, the Federal Tax Police Service (FSNP - existed for 13 years), then the reorganization in the FSKN (also existed 13 years) everything returned to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is now the National Guard ... there is nothing more to do ???? How much money will it take to replace the plates and workflow?
    13. Altona
      Altona April 6 2016 12: 23
      +4
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      The police were renamed the police. Now the National Guard. The guard is from the Italian guards. In our country there is nothing more to do ???

      -----------------------
      The right to use weapons and special equipment by the National Guard without Warnings has already caused deep thought. Is this such a hello to the US police and Ferguson? Well, yes, there is a clause IN THE IMMEDIATE THREAT OF HIS LIFE. And who and how can assess the extent of this threat? The citizen's right to life can already be forgotten. Although the idea with the National Guard can be robust, it depends on how you prescribe it.
    14. opus
      opus April 6 2016 12: 23
      +7
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      In our country there is nothing more to do ??? And Mr. Putin?

      not in the eyebrow but in the eye. It seems nothing
      1. Roads of Russia ™


      2.Dypaki Russia ™

      (rather, here 1,2,3, well 3 is not essential, this trouble is reincarnated)
      3.

      ==========================
      (!) Yes, at least (ofigel himself) "nothing to do", airports in Russia(the largest country in the world)
      1.Russia = 315
      (Number of airports in Russia decreased by more than 4 times since 1990 with 1450 to 315.)
      2.USA (Of the 100 best airports in the world, 44 are in the USA) = According to the CIA World Factbook in the USA in 2008 there were 14951 airports.


      Nearly 15 versus just over 000?

      What the fuck .. national guard?
      What NATIONAL Guard in about MULTINATIONAL FEDERAL STATE? What nation? ... guard.

      -------------------------------------------------
      Threat 2nd article per day on topvar about the same.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS April 6 2016 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: opus
        1. Roads of Russia ™

        You here threw off the demotivators with our roads, so if you look at them, why the hell are you trying to drive a "loaf" if you see that the tank won't pass there? Or KAMAZ trucks trying their luck when crossing a ford. The trouble is that we have a lot of fools on the roads, which, together with bad roads, creates a generally sad picture.
        1. opus
          opus April 6 2016 17: 32
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          What the hell are you trying to drive a "loaf" if you see that the tank won't pass there?

          and how to live?
          If he needs from point A to point B, and this is the only way?
          THERE IS NO OTHER!
          Helicopters do not give ours yet
          Quote: RUSS
          . The trouble is that fools on the road

          This is fools (DDD principle, always use)

          but to the topic (this has nothing to do with demotivators)
    15. sardine
      sardine April 6 2016 12: 35
      0
      Dear dissatisfied, note that not so much the name has changed as the structure of this institute ... but about the name, you better suggest. Wash a very timely reform, given the number of destabilizing factors, the orange threat and other radical elements. And direct submission to the president says a lot. The preservation of the constitutional order, and the evolutionary reform of today's system - from semi-colonial to gaining absolute sovereignty, is slow - but true. And together with the sovereignty of the gazes and the economy will become subject to the interests of the people, and not to global business. Something like this. Nobody needs right now the new -17 year, except for the enemies of Russia.
    16. guzik007
      guzik007 April 6 2016 13: 09
      +1
      The police were renamed the police.
      -----------------------------------------
      In the meantime, the new formation began to "grow overgrown with meat:
      The National Guard received the right to shoot without warning, break into the homes of citizens.
      So, we look forward to continuing in the form of legalized torture to the glory of the state and other attributes of the oprichnina.
      The nickname "tontonmakuty" has already appeared in the internet: =)

      No, well, if you are disabled, a child or, say, pregnant, then they will not shoot at you.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 6 2016 17: 40
        +2
        "A serviceman of the National Guard has the right Do not warn about your intention to use physical force, special means or firearms, if the delay in their application poses a direct threat to the life and health of a citizen or military serviceman of the National Guard, or may entail other grave consequences, ”the text of the bill says.
    17. wei
      wei April 6 2016 17: 38
      +3
      financiers, namely the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (whose legal status as shareholders are foggy) run the economy in our country
      I’m very far from the opposition, but it smells of guardsmen, to protect (from whom?) the system and the president is quite capable of people who respect this president
      and a little about the system (in the economic context) I tried to find what we have all the same, capitalism, socialism, or we are building communism by inertia. It turned out the presidential republic is such an economic type, what is it? It’s not possible to understand me
    18. Proxima
      Proxima April 6 2016 18: 11
      +5
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      The police were renamed the police. Now the National Guard. The guard from the Italian guard.

      In our understanding, the word "guard" means something completely different. How will the combatant guards look at it, which by their courage and military skill in the Great Patriotic War have earned this honorary title? If the "oprichniks" headed by the former chief of Putin's security are called national guards, then the front guard, will it be interethnic or international? This monkey's copying was enough! It's a shame!
    19. vlade99
      vlade99 April 6 2016 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Oleneboy_
      do not change names

      Recently, a lot of strange and suspicious decisions are being made. If you take a closer look, not one of them is for improving the life of the people and their well-being, all for strengthening and protecting the authorities from this very people. What is it for?
    20. CRASH
      CRASH April 6 2016 23: 17
      0
      And why do we need the economy, if now you go to the rally, or God forbid a coup like the 91st, we are now just shot and they’ll go home.

      PS There is far to the south, there is a republic in which 20 thousand selected bearded thugs, devoted to Putin, and not very loving Russians.
  2. stopkran
    stopkran April 6 2016 06: 09
    +3
    The Americans are preparing a coup d'etat, and the sub-pin-dos-nicknames in the police leadership, whom the bear got in there, failed to clean out. In the case of force majeure, these saboteurs in the manual will do the opposite, there have already been such cases. We have to strengthen security in another way, where the pin-up-owls do not have grips.
    1. Passer
      Passer April 6 2016 07: 31
      +9
      Quote: stopkran
      The Americans are preparing a coup d'etat, and the sub-pin-dos-nicknames in the police leadership, whom the bear got in there, failed to clean out. In the case of force majeure, these saboteurs in the manual will do the opposite, there have already been such cases. We have to strengthen security in another way, where the pin-up-owls do not have grips.

      Yeah, is that why the new structure is given a "pin board" name?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov April 6 2016 12: 05
        0
        Which of these words refers to AI?
        1. opus
          opus April 6 2016 13: 50
          +5
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Which of these words refers to AI?

          first two.


          http://ngu.gov.ua/ua





    2. Al1977
      Al1977 April 6 2016 12: 59
      +3
      Quote: stopkran
      The Americans are preparing a coup

      Did they write on Yandex? Or are you a CIA agent?
    3. Al1977
      Al1977 April 6 2016 12: 59
      0
      Quote: stopkran
      The Americans are preparing a coup

      Did they write on Yandex? Or are you a CIA agent?
  3. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ April 6 2016 06: 12
    +12
    Another "experiment" by pouring from empty to empty. It is better to bring to mind what is than to reinvent the fifth wheel ...
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov April 6 2016 12: 06
      0
      for each of the units separately write an order of reassignment to the president?
  4. Turkestan
    Turkestan April 6 2016 06: 13
    +12
    And what did not like the name INTERNAL WAXES? TRIBUTE TO FASHION
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 April 6 2016 06: 47
      +6
      DIRECT submission to the president!
      That is, personal presidential "centurions".
      1. Per se.
        Per se. April 6 2016 07: 03
        +13
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        That is, personal presidential "centurions".
        Only, not "centurions", but rather "praetorians". What will come of this in the end, as they say, is interesting to see. However, nothing is new, as noted above, from the renaming of the police to the police, not much has become better. It is much more important why the people's president has an anti-people government, who is Medvedev's "roof" ...
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 April 6 2016 07: 13
          +10
          Quote: Per se.
          It is much more important why the people's president has an anti-people government, who is Medvedev's "roof" ...


          Here the question is not in the roof but in the system. After all, Putin was not always the president, he also managed to visit the prime minister ... and what were the significant differences? The same domestic policy.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist April 6 2016 09: 29
          +9
          And who ever told you that he is a people's presidency? Rather, he is indifferent to the people. Well, the roof of DAM, he himself is
      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 April 6 2016 07: 16
        +14
        That is, personal presidential "centurions".

        Then rather Praetorians. But if we recall the history of Ancient Rome and how these same Praetorians, who, according to their desire, overthrew and put them on the throne of emperors, influenced the politics of the country, the most unpleasant analogies suggest themselves.
        The return of the migration service and state control to the Ministry of Internal Affairs is certainly the right step, the separation of the Federal Drug Control Service and the Federal Migration Service from the Ministry of Internal Affairs was a mistake. In Kazakhstan, too, they went through this and returned everything back to square one.
        The creation of the National Guard - if this step is taken only in order to increase the number of paramilitary formations, equipping them with heavy weapons, thereby turning them into a reserve for the ground forces of the RF Ministry of Defense for every firefighter, but at the same time these formations are not part of the Armed Forces, since are not subordinate to the Ministry of Defense and, accordingly, do not fall under all sorts of international agreements on the limitation of conventional weapons (which all major world players have long spit on), this step should be welcomed. Although I may be wrong. The only thing is that I don't like the name. He has a bad aura - the French National Guards of the times of the Paris Commune "distinguished themselves" mainly by their indiscipline, a tendency to looting and robbery, desertion from the battlefield, in which they did not show themselves in any way. American National Guard - no comment here. And finally, the National Guards of the country 404 - everyone knows what this rabble represents. Exactly - this is an unfortunate name for the new structure.
        I have the honor.
  5. Good cat
    Good cat April 6 2016 06: 14
    +11
    Americanism is some kind.
  6. Yak28
    Yak28 April 6 2016 06: 17
    +20
    National Guard, police, and where are the scouts?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 6 2016 06: 20
      +25
      Quote: Yak28
      National Guard, police, and where are the scouts?

      rangers, sheriffs, cowboys, saloons, Indians ... yes
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 6 2016 06: 51
        +12
        Cowboys, why don't you like our shepherd? The essence is the same. Yes, and the same district sheriff, the Caucasians will marry the Indians, the tavern-solun, but I don’t even know the racers, if they put the bailiffs in their place.
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen April 6 2016 10: 00
          +3
          Have you forgotten about the scouts)))? Previously, there were pioneers and Komsomol members, but now it seems that Nashists and "stop boor" remain))))
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn April 6 2016 12: 16
            +2
            Stopham was dispersed, or rather a court decision terminated the organization.
            1. Nekarmadlen
              Nekarmadlen April 6 2016 14: 22
              +3
              After the court's decision to terminate the activities of the "stop ham" organization, several activists distinguished themselves in the center of Moscow))) They approached the riot police bus and began to complain to the driver that the bus was incorrectly parked and interfered with pedestrians and other drivers))))) It seemed that there were detained and placed on the same bus))))
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 April 6 2016 07: 00
        +10
        Indians in bulk ...
        But these hardware games are already tired: they organized the Federal Services, created the staff and the corresponding posts, now they will cut some of the posts, but general pensions will be left to those who are touched by the sound of the waves. Again, all the reorganizations require a fairly acidic cost, and now the times are not the best for this.
        In general, not a good idea at a bad time.
        1. Foofighter
          Foofighter April 6 2016 09: 15
          +1
          Indians in bulk ...

          Only white-skinned all ... and not so much in bulk.
          1. Danash I
            Danash I April 6 2016 21: 45
            0
            And if from a machine gun? Then it’s the most. In bulk. wassat
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      3. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 07: 02
        +18
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        rangers, sheriffs, cowboys, saloons, Indians ...

        No, balls, beauties, footmen, cadets.
        And without humor, renaming allows Zolotov’s hand to concentrate all the resources of the power plan, which are precisely aimed at preventing public unrest, whom Putin can trust such a person to whom life trusts, even the night league goalkeeper cannot do that.
        So it doesn't matter in the "Danish kingdom" apparently ..
        1. atalef
          atalef April 6 2016 07: 20
          +6
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          And without humor, renaming allows Zolotov’s hand to concentrate all the resources of the power plan, which are precisely aimed at preventing popular unrest, and Putin can trust such a person to whom he trusted a life.

          So the election draws near.
          Maybe someone knows what we don’t know?
          why such transformations. if the rating is 86%?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 31
            +9
            Quote: atalef
            why such transformations. if the rating is 86%?

            Sanya, Putin has a rating, and these, who are in the State Duma, have obvious problems with rating. However, as with conscience.
            Although you can’t forbid living beautifully.
          2. MMX
            MMX April 6 2016 19: 01
            0
            Quote: atalef

            So the election draws near.
            Maybe someone knows what we don’t know?
            why such transformations. if the rating is 86%?


            Obviously, "such transformations" are not intended to disperse a bunch of freaks.
            But suffering mania seems to be that there are not 86%. Through this captivity and consider all the events in the world. And here is such an event! Maybe not really 86, but 85% will be ...
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS April 7 2016 02: 15
              0
              Quote: MMX
              there is such an event! Maybe not really 86, but 85% will be ...

              where are the firewood from? wink
        2. MMX
          MMX April 6 2016 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          rangers, sheriffs, cowboys, saloons, Indians ...

          No, balls, beauties, footmen, cadets.
          And without humor, renaming allows Zolotov’s hand to concentrate all the resources of the power plan, which are precisely aimed at preventing public unrest, whom Putin can trust such a person to whom life trusts, even the night league goalkeeper cannot do that.
          So it doesn't matter in the "Danish kingdom" apparently ..


          Interestingly, did anyone read the draft law on the creation of a national guard before writing here?
        3. plebs
          plebs April 7 2016 15: 59
          +1
          to whom but to a person whom life trusted Putin can trust
          Paul I and Peter III also trusted the guard, how did they end up should be reminded?
      4. atalef
        atalef April 6 2016 07: 19
        +7
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Yak28
        National Guard, police, and where are the scouts?

        rangers, sheriffs, cowboys, saloons, Indians ... yes

        +100500
        reservations. scalps and fiery water.
      5. Klos
        Klos April 6 2016 08: 27
        +10
        Now we have our own National Guard,
        They are strong and agile as Indians.
        Leaders of the guards like Chingachguki
        Do not know fatigue and boredom. :-)
      6. the polar
        the polar April 6 2016 08: 45
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Yak28
        National Guard, police, and where are the scouts?

        rangers, sheriffs, cowboys, saloons, Indians ... yes

        they also forgot about the "prostitutes" who replaced the totalitarian Komsomol and became full-fledged workers in the domestic sex industry
      7. Captain45
        Captain45 April 6 2016 09: 53
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        rangers, sheriffs, cowboys, saloons, Indians ... yes

        Well, no, no, no, otherwise all of these sheriff rangers are now walking in pederast parades. Better, the LAPPING AND CITY laughing
    2. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor April 6 2016 10: 01
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      and where are the scouts?



      Read on VO - YunArmy!
  7. Bureaucrat
    Bureaucrat April 6 2016 06: 18
    +17
    After the events in Ukraine, the phrase National Guard is an abusive expression, and I think it is not applicable to us.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander April 6 2016 06: 37
      +10
      Quote: Bureaucrat
      After the events in Ukraine, the phrase National Guard is an abusive expression, and I think it is not applicable to us.


      And after Ukraine and after the USA. What did the BB do not like? request
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 6 2016 06: 57
      +6
      Quote: Bureaucrat
      After the events in Ukraine, the phrase National Guard is an abusive expression, and I think it is not applicable to us.

      accustomed to the police ...
      1. 31rus2
        31rus2 April 6 2016 09: 00
        +4
        Who as I still call cops, not who does not revive (the cops themselves)
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 06: 57
      +1
      Quote: Bureaucrat
      After the events in Ukraine, the phrase National Guard is an abusive expression, and I think it is not applicable to us.

      When they renamed the police into the police, many wrote here, clubians, associations with fascism. That is not acceptable and all that. Shouted and forgot.
      And if so, why did they yell?
      1. RuslanD36
        RuslanD36 April 6 2016 07: 03
        +11
        By the way, my circle of friends continues: if it’s normal, it’s a cop, if it’s mud * k with uniform, then a policeman.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 07: 09
        +11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Che yelled then?

        And we want an orem, but what? laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 32
          +3
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          And we want an orem, but what?

          And of course, there is a reason to yell.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 April 6 2016 09: 29
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And of course, there is a reason to yell.

            Well, everything is according to Vysotsky:
            "Why not drink when they give,
            And what not to sing when comfort and not expensive. "
            The Repetilovs, damn it, "Noise, brother, we make noise" (c) "Woe from Wit" Griboyedov A.S.
      3. Darkness
        Darkness April 6 2016 07: 31
        +11
        I have never heard that on the street to the policeman would be addressed "Mr. Policeman", all in the old fashioned way "chief" or "comrade policeman".
        The people did not accept the "policemen".
        1. atalef
          atalef April 6 2016 07: 50
          +2
          Quote: Darkness
          I have never heard that on the street to the policeman would be addressed "Mr. Policeman", all in the old fashioned way "chief" or "comrade policeman".
          The people did not accept the "policemen".

          Well, yes -Try to say -Comrade policeman
    4. atalef
      atalef April 6 2016 07: 48
      +7
      Quote: Bureaucrat
      After the events in Ukraine, the phrase National Guard is an abusive expression, and I think it is not applicable to us.

      I would rename the police in the gendarmerie
      1. MMX
        MMX April 6 2016 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Bureaucrat
        After the events in Ukraine, the phrase National Guard is an abusive expression, and I think it is not applicable to us.

        I would rename the police in the gendarmerie


        Your feedback is very important to us.
  8. avva2012
    avva2012 April 6 2016 06: 23
    +3
    The name is really not very. Well, don’t hi with him.
    Viktor Zolotov, has great power with such power. Must be absolutely loyal to the President. How is its structure interesting, balanced, as always, by the FSB?
    Or a receiver? Although there is a lot of talk about the "receiver" on the Internet, in my opinion, they started talking about it early. The president will have at least one more term.
    "Riddles in the Dark".
  9. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 April 6 2016 06: 29
    +2
    New times, new trends ... Not everything is clear yet, but so far vague guesses as to why this has already been done.
  10. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys April 6 2016 06: 31
    +25
    In Soviet times, the title of "Guardsman" had to be earned. Then the word "national", it is strange to hear that in multinational Russia. There is no need to become like the amerikos once again. And the general conclusion suggests itself that the government is afraid of something and strengthens its security.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 6 2016 07: 04
      +2
      Quote: Mangel Alys
      In Soviet times, the title of "Guardsman" had to be earned. Then the word "national", it is strange to hear that in multinational Russia. There is no need to become like the amerikos once again. And the general conclusion suggests itself that the government is afraid of something and strengthens its security.

      Well, it’s not solid already to call the riot police if something happens, in America, just a little bit, the National Guard is ahead! bully (multipurpose army for internal use) and it's a shame ... everyone has it, but we don’t! (sarcasm))))
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: Mangel Alys
      In Soviet times, the title of "Guardsman" had to be earned. Then the word "national", it is strange to hear that in multinational Russia. There is no need to become like the amerikos once again. And the general conclusion suggests itself that the government is afraid of something and strengthens its security.

      You can call "multinational" or "international" guards.
      The Internal Troops are also not very. Why are there troops inside?
    3. the polar
      the polar April 6 2016 17: 15
      +1
      Quote: Mangel Alys
      But the general conclusion is this, the government is afraid of something and strengthens its security.

      Who is any power most afraid of? The people!
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 7 2016 02: 35
        +3
        With the formation of NG, everything is clear to me, a swinging boat, shitty pilots, elections, again elections, sobering people from tele-narcotics.
        But why in the Ministry of Emergencies are machine guns, artillery, tanks, armored personnel carriers and combat helicopters? what
  11. Alexdark
    Alexdark April 6 2016 06: 36
    -1
    But you think correctly, yes, it is. This is the protection of power, the suppression of the raging feces. I don’t like Maidan, I don’t want to be there, or as on the Maidan for 91 years in Moscow. No pitfalls, this is a protection from the coups that we should expect.
    What about the name? Lord, let us then perceive everything negatively because of enemies and their actions. Even quite ordinary and standard words.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik April 6 2016 06: 36
    +1
    It should be noted that discussions about the creation of the National Guard in the Russian Federation have been ongoing for a long time. ..From the beginning of the 90s this idea has been floating .. Rumors circulated then in our divisions .. but there was no further rumor .. And now they decided to realize .. Apparently there is a need .. The name is really odious ..
  13. Darkness
    Darkness April 6 2016 06: 38
    +10
    Cargo cult, some ...
    After the events on the Ruin, what will we call them? "Nationals", or what?
    It would be better if they were renamed Space Marines, Cheslov))) And they gave out White Armor.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 06: 55
      +5
      Quote: Darkness
      It would be better if they were renamed Space Marines, Cheslov

      It’s too late, we’ve made it earlier - military space pilots already exist ..
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 06: 59
      +3
      Quote: Darkness

      After the events on the Ruin, what will we call them? "Nationals", or what?

      That scum they may be called that.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness April 6 2016 07: 11
        0
        On the Ruin only scum they are called that?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 6 2016 07: 36
          -3
          Quote: Darkness
          On the Ruin only scum they are called that?

          Are you friends with the head?
  14. populist
    populist April 6 2016 06: 44
    +12
    Greatly declined GDP.
    Invented a new HPP.
    Forward the cardinal's guards!
    (I will collect the cons ...)
    belay fellow wassat
  15. Nimiru
    Nimiru April 6 2016 06: 45
    -1
    A question for connoisseurs. Explosives served to detect and destroy small gangs. They told us so in the army. And now what will the internal troops do if the guard is engaged in the above?
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 April 6 2016 07: 33
      +5
      Quote: Nimiru
      A question for connoisseurs. Explosives served to detect and destroy small gangs. They told us so in the army. And now what will the internal troops do if the guard is engaged in the above?

      They told you well. Have you been taught to read? This is bad. The National Guard is created on the basis of the BB. Explosives cease to exist.
  16. Chisayna
    Chisayna April 6 2016 06: 46
    +5
    Previously, the title, the Guard, was deserved in the battles. Then, to deprive, all the ranks of the Guard, military banners, deserved in battles with the Nazi occupiers.
    1. the polar
      the polar April 6 2016 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: Chisain
      Previously, the title, the Guard, was deserved in the battles. Then, to deprive, all the ranks of the Guard, military banners, deserved in battles with the Nazi occupiers.

      Yes, for the guards units with a "military history" that went through the Great Patriotic War, this is humiliation.
      The Commander-in-Chief means does not trust the Army and decided to acquire his own personal "guard". This is his old GBShny syndrome of suspicion
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 11: 05
        0
        The imperial guard was generally dispersed and did not quack.
        Not about any humiliation and speech was not.
        1. mult-65
          mult-65 April 7 2016 21: 22
          0
          The royal guard stupidly put on the fields of the 1st World War. For God, the Tsar and the Fatherland.
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS April 7 2016 02: 24
        +1
        Quote: Polar
        This is his old GBshny syndrome of suspiciousness

        The fact is that mobile phone calls are being heard all over the country. According to the results of wiretaps on keywords, it became clear that VTsIOM tryndit with a percentage of the sect of witnesses edromassons and mocked the hunchbacked leader lol
  17. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 April 6 2016 06: 46
    +5
    At one time, when the police were torn apart into federal and municipal, and then they were finished off with "reforms", it was stated that all this was being done solely for the purpose of improving, deepening, increasing .... Now, for the most part, it began to reach that something was broken. that worked properly! Now all these attempts to rewind with the use of new names look simply comical. You can feel the firm hand of the mad creative Medvedev. All these are pure undercover games and have nothing to do with improving work efficiency.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 April 6 2016 06: 52
      +17
      And where is Medvedev?
      Type of GDP is not with it? And the order who signed and voiced the decision, not GDP?
      1. Alexdark
        Alexdark April 6 2016 07: 00
        -8
        GDP will never do anything in vain. Such advice, wait and see. Although everything is clear, but for some reason yesterday's alleged "urapatriots" (you) do not understand the simple essence of all this, the clear reason for the creation of this very guard. You have a strange position, some kind of dash.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness April 6 2016 07: 28
          +11
          How are we doing with education, medicine, prices, after all?
          Also not in vain? All at the request of the workers?
      2. hohryakov066
        hohryakov066 April 6 2016 07: 29
        +1
        Why nothing? Very much to do with. It just somehow turns out that all such tweaks are generated mainly by the government. What about traffic rules, that education, that for us sinners.
  18. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 6 2016 06: 48
    +7
    I read, I read, but I didn’t understand why Vovanov should be renamed to the National Guard (after all, nothing would be created, but only redistributed) to the National Guard, especially given the negative attitude of most Russians to this name (largely due to the Ukrainian National Guard and the consonance of the National Guard the guard and the Nazis, I think such a clique will quickly stick to them, as VVshnikam their famous Vovany)
    1. Nimiru
      Nimiru April 6 2016 06: 50
      +3
      Like the police.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn April 6 2016 07: 01
        +2
        Now they can be called cops)
  19. standing
    standing April 6 2016 06: 53
    +10
    What an owl about a stump, what about an owl - what is the difference? Who did the BB stop there? Another drank budget. Oh yes, in our country everything is already fine, you can do the renaming. Police-police, Air Force-VKS, VV-NG ... Now let’s heal!
  20. EvgNik
    EvgNik April 6 2016 06: 55
    -4
    At the same time, oppositionists ignored the fact that such structures exist in many countries of the world, including the United States of America they love (National Guard)

    Only because of this I will support Putin. If the liberals are alarmed, then done right.
    And additionally:
    the tasks of the National Guard will include the fight against terrorism, organized crime, as well as the fulfillment of the functions that are currently assigned to the OMON and OMSN (SOBR) units.

    Tasks are defined, and if explosives do not cope with them, then forward the guard.
    Although the name was worth considering.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 6 2016 07: 06
      +1
      Wasn't it easier to reform the BB? It would have been cheaper, and it’s more logical.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 April 6 2016 07: 43
        +3
        Quote: cth; fyn
        Wasn't it easier to reform the BB? It would have been cheaper, and it’s more logical.

        And they are being reformed, transforming them into a structure with a new name and removing them from subordination to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The tasks remain the same as they were.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn April 6 2016 08: 17
          0
          But why deduce if they will have more rights under the Ministry of Internal Affairs? They have the same kind of ksiva Ministry of Internal Affairs as it should be (at least the policemen had firefighters before they were transferred to the Ministry of Emergencies).
          1. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer April 6 2016 08: 26
            +2
            You yourself answer your own question (example with firemen). It's just that the "siloviki" are optimizing, there will be one out of a heap of different structures, they will let them down, so to speak, under a common denominator. Maybe it is right, for a state that has decided to get rid of push-pull?
          2. pv1005
            pv1005 April 6 2016 10: 21
            -1
            Quote: cth; fyn
            But why deduce if they will have more rights under the Ministry of Internal Affairs? They have the same kind of ksiva Ministry of Internal Affairs as it should be (at least the policemen had firefighters before they were transferred to the Ministry of Emergencies).

            Who told you that they will have less rights? And we have that ksiva solves problems or all the same people? Apparently, according to your logic, firefighters with a ksiva of the Ministry of Emergencies began to extinguish fires worse than when they had ksiva of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
            1. cth; fyn
              cth; fyn April 6 2016 12: 23
              0
              An attack on an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and an attack on an ordinary citizen are different articles, now anyone can put a fireman in the tiller and go unpunished. For example, in a fire in a building of the Savings Bank in Vladivostok, a firefighter was beaten and no one was held responsible. Would they venture to beat a police officer? After all, if this happens during the performance of his duties, this is a criminal article.
              1. pv1005
                pv1005 April 6 2016 16: 10
                -1
                Quote: cth; fyn
                An attack on an employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and an attack on an ordinary citizen are different articles, now anyone can put a fireman in the tiller and go unpunished. For example, in a fire in a building of the Savings Bank in Vladivostok, a firefighter was beaten and no one was held responsible. Would they venture to beat a police officer? After all, if this happens during the performance of his duties, this is a criminal article.

                And that the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs xivot (FSB, SK, Prosecutor's office, etc., etc.) are not beaten and killed? Or maybe we will give out xivas to the entire population of Russia and immediately a blunder will come?
          3. VIT101
            VIT101 April 6 2016 17: 25
            +1
            Quote: cth; fyn
            But why deduce if they will have more rights under the Ministry of Internal Affairs?


            Putin will now give them such rights and salaries that the Ministry of Internal Affairs will only gasp.
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 April 6 2016 07: 40
      -1

      No, no one says that United Russia has a weak composition. There are enough respected people in it: from athletes and singers to retired officers and acting economists.

      And judging by the comments on the site, they are alarmed. Of course, you’ll think about it.
    3. kirgudu
      kirgudu April 6 2016 07: 46
      +3
      Liberals? I thought everyone already knew that our "liberals" are the second side of power. They are needed solely in order to discredit any other opposition and point of view.
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn April 6 2016 07: 04
    +1
    Quote: Turkestan
    And what did not like the name INTERNAL WAXES? TRIBUTE TO FASHION

    The Ministry of Internal Affairs has a lot of tasks. Today we need a fist to suppress terrorism, but it was not there, an attempt has been made. Let's see while it seems to make sense.
  22. Ale.xey
    Ale.xey April 6 2016 07: 06
    +1
    In any case, obviously something is being conceived .... Why are they sculpting the American flag for me? How to get rid of it?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 07: 15
      +8
      Quote: Ale.xey
      Why are they sculpting the American flag for me? How to get rid of it?

      What is so restrained - stigmatized like a real patriot - that you give me this rag, this mattress, the flag of India, etc. etc., and at the end the moderators where you look at the patriot insult fellow am - then nishtyak and +++++ many, many, and immediately. wassat
  23. energy701
    energy701 April 6 2016 07: 09
    -3
    Normal name, normal tasks! It’s time for us to understand that it’s not the middle of the 20th century outside and live by those patterns means, as a result, a loss in geopolitical life!
    I am far from being a fan of Putin, but at present, I believe that this is the only politician of this level in Russia !!!
    1. kirgudu
      kirgudu April 6 2016 07: 48
      -3
      With such names, the Galitchin division may appear.
  24. IsailoR
    IsailoR April 6 2016 07: 09
    +1
    About why they renamed the BB to the National Guard. And imagine what allusions would be funny.
    Internal troops are simply "vovans". And then there is direct subordination to the President. Vladimir Vladimirovich.
    It would be gorgeous!
    "BB"
    "Pope Vova's troops"
    "Vovany" - would sparkle with new colors
    laughing
  25. La-5
    La-5 April 6 2016 07: 16
    +4
    The National Guard in the United States is primarily an active reserve of the armed forces, it is involved in a pinch to disperse unrest.
  26. Darkness
    Darkness April 6 2016 07: 21
    +5
    And from what nationality will the national guard be created?
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 07: 55
      +11
      Quote: Darkness
      And from what nationality will the national guard be created?

      From the Russians.
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen April 6 2016 10: 06
        0
        In the title photo, the soldiers in the speckled berets are clearly not Russian ((((
  27. kirgudu
    kirgudu April 6 2016 07: 26
    +1
    Some kind of abusive word.
  28. Million
    Million April 6 2016 07: 29
    +7
    It would be better if Putin solved the economic problems of Russia ... There are already plenty of siloviks in our country. And they feed on our money
  29. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 April 6 2016 07: 36
    +3
    Interestingly, what's the point of removing explosives from the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Will they perform the same functions in fact, will the money from the budget go to the maintenance of the BB (National Guard), subordination to the president? So with us all power structures are subordinate to the president and nothing is done without his permission. Problems in the department? So it is necessary to restore order and not to crush one department into parts. Unclear....
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. April 6 2016 21: 21
      +4
      Someone apparently needed to leave the Ministry of Internal Affairs without a power component. There are still riot police and SOBRs who, without undue bureaucratic troubles, are connected to the detention of armed criminals. And when they will be handed over to the National Guard. What will happen? It took the intervention of specialists - coordinate this issue with the National Guard, and those have their own boss. And unnecessary showdowns and consultations will go, who is more important and who will lead. And the same operas, and the teaching staff, were stubbornly weaned from the use of weapons and indeed of force. So there will be unnecessary sacrifices and while everything settles down, the bandits will raise their heads.
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 April 7 2016 08: 03
        0
        Thank. I have the same thought. Received operational information - in the apartment a group of persons with weapons. Who will delay? Opera with district police? And it is necessary to detain OPERATIVELY and professionally. QUESTION.
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  30. Boris55
    Boris55 April 6 2016 07: 37
    -4
    Any structure is created to solve certain problems. What awaits us in the near future in terms of terrorism - the top commander knows best, he has more information than we all put together. It is this structure that has to protect us from terrorists. The structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not fully meet the new challenges of the time.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 April 6 2016 07: 56
      +6
      Quote: Boris55
      in the near future in terms of terrorism - the top commander knows best,

      FSB - sobbed, you were unemployed, you left them at once ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 6 2016 08: 11
        -7
        They have different tasks, including The FSB will not remain without work. Once again, Putin has more information than we all put together and I have no reason not to trust his decisions.
  31. GUSAR
    GUSAR April 6 2016 07: 47
    +6
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, you are not all musicians." I.A. Krylov
  32. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich April 6 2016 07: 49
    +5
    In general, I think that everything is done to optimize and reduce staff! It seems like it is planned to cut the state drug control by 70 percent, leave those who are on the ground (operas) to be included in the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The same garbage with the FMS ... According to the National Guard, a new power structure is being created. With the withdrawal of her from the state of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Question-director of the National Guard will remain deputy. Minister of the Interior, go no? The question is fundamental! Indeed, under the jurisdiction of the National Guard, OMONs, SOBRs, and other purely departmental forces are transferred ... Will interaction with the operas be disrupted? Or, in the old fashioned way, instead of calling OMON for action, you will have to form a capture group from the most desperate operas, because it's easier and faster ... There are many questions ...
    1. creak
      creak April 6 2016 08: 25
      +1
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Question-director of the National Guard will remain deputy. Minister of the Interior, go no? The question of principle

      It will not remain, now he is now the head of an independent power department, submits only to the GDP, which stated that the new structure will work in close contact with the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
      Riot police and SOBR also go to the National Guard ...
  33. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan April 6 2016 07: 54
    +4
    In addition to the National Guard, changes are also waiting for the FMS.
    Faced with this organization, I can argue that you can immediately dismiss an entire gang-watering can. And it will only get better. They are preoccupied with their small business of hilling migrants and writing beautiful reports.
    Yesterday, at a meeting with Putin, Romodanovsky was not. There was, or rather was, a deputy.
  34. OLDTODD
    OLDTODD April 6 2016 07: 55
    0
    Here, damn it, only celebrated the holiday on those ..... recourse No, reassignment is understandable, all power is in one hands. But renaming - I do not understand. I am a stock sergeant for explosives.
  35. Million
    Million April 6 2016 08: 00
    +4
    instead of improving the quality of life of Russians, Putin's security forces hang out
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer April 6 2016 08: 24
      +4
      Power rests on the security forces, the more points of "support" - the more stable the structure.
      Assigning according to the principle of personal devotion - receives a loyal organization with army functions - a counterweight to a conventional army.
      National Guard can be used to solve internal problems, power, anti-terrorism (cordon for example), political (cordon, blocking the crowd, dispersion, suppression of unrest)
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      2. creak
        creak April 6 2016 14: 01
        +5
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        Power rests on the security forces, the more points of "support" - the more stable the structure.


        The most reliable support for the authorities is the trust and respect of the citizens of the country.
        And if you rely only on the siloviki, then the margin of stability for her will be very limited, for the time being, for the time being ...
        Sitting on bayonets is not very convenient, you can lose balance ...
  36. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n April 6 2016 08: 05
    +6
    Let everything be under one control. At least the main thing is that this guard could become a reliable barrier against riots (like a "swamp"). Otherwise, Moscow will again arrange a big top, as during the putsch, and the regions to disentangle! Yes, the organizers of these actions that, seriously consider themselves capable of leadership? Come on! To the trough !!! That is their task, but against the people ......! Therefore, the correct unification of power structures, in order to avoid all sorts of nasty things, organized well, obviously not by the people of the Russian Federation!
  37. akudr48
    akudr48 April 6 2016 08: 06
    +4
    The native division will also be included in this guard and there will be a complete picture like that of Nikolai-2.
  38. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 6 2016 08: 09
    +3
    Where there is power, the struggle for it does not stop.
    This is precisely what these events attest to ...
  39. 31rus2
    31rus2 April 6 2016 08: 15
    +5
    Dear ones, I was very happy about the headline, but finally it came true, and I read from whom and why I made a mistake, this guard is not in it, maybe I’m in a hurry to draw conclusions, but the question is more serious than it seems, I don’t have anyone to fight with crime, since it is the force base (both legal and practical) that leaves the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the question arises of what the Ministry of Internal Affairs will receive in return? Another question is why is such a concentration of special forces in the hands of even the president? There are a lot of questions, because these parts are the most professional, experienced , can solve any problems, it is alarming, especially now
  40. Crown
    Crown April 6 2016 08: 19
    0
    The main thing is that they, too, be mobile and fulfill their functions.
  41. private person
    private person April 6 2016 08: 25
    +5
    Yes, everything is clear. energy prices are rising, people in the provinces are growing poorer; discontent is rising. It's time to create a national guard, otherwise the Ukrainians are discussing what we don’t notice at home. And what does BB do not suit?
  42. digo
    digo April 6 2016 08: 33
    +4
    request And why did the people attack the creation of the National Guard? What rushed into a panic? What, without understanding, immediately began to condemn?
    ... Just to the fact that many of Putin’s actions (especially sudden) always cause confusion and condemnation among many ... But, as a rule, only after some time (sometimes several years) it begins to reach people that this was the right decision- act... drinks
    ... So let's pause in categorical judgments, and there God will give and see what these movements lead to ... hi
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 April 6 2016 17: 26
      +2
      Quote: DIGO
      But, as a rule, only after some time (sometimes several years) it begins to reach people that it was the right decision-action ...

      A couple of examples, please. Intrigued right.
      1. digo
        digo April 7 2016 09: 06
        -1
        Quote: DIGO
        But, as a rule, only after some time (sometimes several years) it begins to reach people that it was the right decision-action ...
        A couple of examples, please. Intrigued right.

        what Yes, at least how, at the very beginning, Putin proposed to allocate significant funds for the defense industry and how ... well, very many were indignant! fool Like, why do we need this ?! Who can threaten us ?! We are friends with the Western world, there are from the USA! Yes, it would be better if everyone let the money into the economy, bought all kinds of Western goods there, so that the shops could be filled! And in general in the modern world for Russia, the army is just a waste of money !!!
        what And what? After 15 years, what can I say about this? And if, this is the result of those actions of Putin at the beginning of 2000 who does not see, then I’m afraid that they will never see ...
        Something like this ... hi
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 April 7 2016 09: 39
          +1
          Quote: DIGO
          Quote: DIGO
          But, as a rule, only after some time (sometimes several years) it begins to reach people that it was the right decision-action ...
          A couple of examples, please. Intrigued right.

          what Yes, at least how, at the very beginning, Putin proposed to allocate significant funds for the defense industry and how ... well, very many were indignant! fool Like, why do we need this ?! Who can threaten us ?! We are friends with the Western world, there are from the USA! Yes, it would be better if everyone let the money into the economy, bought all kinds of Western goods there, so that the shops could be filled! And in general in the modern world for Russia, the army is just a waste of money !!!
          what And what? After 15 years, what can I say about this? And if, this is the result of those actions of Putin at the beginning of 2000 who does not see, then I’m afraid that they will never see ...
          Something like this ... hi

          Increased by the army, so what? And on medicine and education declined in fractional terms. As a result, no one attacks Russia, since we are a nuclear power, but education and midicine are in the f * ck. How do you explain the genesis of the fact that a refugee in Europe receives more than many Russian citizens? How to explain that the country is not competitive in almost all industries. What overtakes us in the economies of Asia, that the standard of living and life expectancy are lower than European countries and many Asian countries. The economy is not growing; s / n is falling. You know that Medvedev made the proposal that the feldsher would first accept the elderly, and only then the doctor !!!
          And where is this terrible America then? I didn’t deliver weapons to Ukraine, nor to Syria .. For some reason, our government doesn’t attack the loot in this terrible country, it speaks nicely at all levels. So what's the trick of the plan? Do you live in a safer country today than under Medvedev? In a richer and more successful?
  43. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk April 6 2016 08: 38
    0
    Well, my opinion has not changed since yesterday - this is the most common "movement".
    For someone.
    Show that work is going on.
    And the results, the return - no one cares. When else should that bestowal come?
    When the mechanism of action of these Natsigvardeyets will be precisely worked out.
    ...
    Actually, the opinion of the preparations about the size of the tester's scalpel does not excite. What is there to be hustled about.
    ...
    I am annoyed for something else - there were "vovans". Well-known and well-known to all. Everywhere. Vovan ... it sounded.
    There were "maroon berets" - executioners-punishers .. (a joke, especially for those who are not friends with humor). But these were the dashing guys. Reliable. A friend works with me, he served in OMSDON in Moscow. He told me. I don’t call him any other than an executioner - he doesn’t take offense, but even, somewhere, is proud.
    WHOM will they be called now - the National Guard? Nagwami? Naga ... mi? Gwami? ... question ...
    ...
    In any case - if NG can make life better - it will be good!
    Have a look?
    ...

  44. AndreyS
    AndreyS April 6 2016 08: 39
    +5
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Therefore, the correct combination of power structures, in order to avoid all sorts of nasty things, organized well, obviously not by the people of the Russian Federation!

    Almost agree with you! But reading the presidential decree yesterday, he was practically confirmed in his thought that for the past 8–9 years the country has been preparing for war, systematically and as if imperceptibly. It became clearly visible last year. And now the created NG structure is crushing very interesting directions.
    The structures that are being transferred are the Internal Troops with the entire structure, the Central Security Service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the aviation of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, SOBR, OMON, OVO, FSUE "Protection" and the licensing system (which controls the circulation of civilian weapons and security activities in the country).
    There’s nothing for yourself. Such a concentration of control and such a structure is more suitable for wartime! Today, one comrade put forward the idea that this structure resembles the NKVD !!!!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 April 6 2016 08: 46
      +3
      Today, one comrade put forward the idea that this structure resembles the NKVD !!!!

      What is bad in the NKVD, especially since the time of L.P. Beria?
      It would not be bad, also SMERSH introduce. Moreover, the department once headed by P.A. Sudoplatov simply cries for some.
      1. AndreyS
        AndreyS April 6 2016 08: 59
        0
        Quote: avva2012
        What's wrong with the NKVD,

        Yes, in general, nothing. He had in mind the structure and tasks.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 April 6 2016 10: 29
          +2
          Quote: AndreyS He had in mind the structure and tasks.

          And for what year did he mean the structure of the NKVD? In different years, the structure changed, as did the goals and objectives. For example: on 1 January 1940: Secretariat of the NKVD of the USSR (S. S. Mamulov) 1 department of GUGB; 2 department of GUGB (SPO); 3 department of GUGB (KRO); 4 department of GUGB (ОО) 5 department of GUGB (INO); 7 department of GUGB; (encryption); Track unit GUGB; 5-s / o; GEM; Trace unit of the power plant; General Directorate of Transport; General Directorate of Prison; General Directorate of Border Troops; General Directorate for the Protection of Industrial Enterprises; General Directorate of Convoy Troops; Main Military Construction Directorate; General Directorate of Military Supply; General Directorate for the Protection of Railway Structures; UPVI; Special Bureau at the People's Commissar; Secretariat of the Special Meeting at the People's Commissar; Special Technical Bureau; Human Resources Department; Special Commissioner of the NKVD of the USSR; AHU; Central financial planning department; Gulag GUPO; GURKM; Central department of acts of civil status of the NKVD of the USSR; Main Archival Administration; Transportation department; Consumer goods sector; Capital works sector; Inspection of boiler supervision; Dalstroy; GUSHOSDOR; Office of the commandant of the Moscow Kremlin.
          The 40th year is the time when the "repressions" began to decline, and the war had not yet begun. The goals and objectives then were like this. It can be concluded from the structure, even if we remove the departments that can be called AHP (Inspection for Boiler Inspection) in modern language.
          Honestly speaking, in the NKVD, I do not see any parallels with modern NG.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik April 6 2016 13: 46
        -1
        avva2012
        It would not be bad, also SMERSH introduce.


        About SMERSH and Rogozin spoke. Something a lot of spies in Russia creeps. It’s time to shorten some on the head.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 April 6 2016 16: 52
          -3
          Quote: EvgNik It’s time to shorten some on the head.

          The main thing is for some to understand that eating and curing at the same time, not good, not humanly, is. If mom and dad did not teach how to behave in society, then perhaps a polite, orderly person may come. Will explain.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 10 2016 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: AndreyS
      for the past 8-9 years, the country is preparing for war
      With their own people, apparently judging by the nature of the reforms.
  45. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish April 6 2016 09: 05
    +10
    In fact, Vova made an obvious and predictable step. I don’t know about the FSB, but he can trust the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army with a big caveat. The former were still dissatisfied with the Medvedev reform (I myself heard their complaints during the patrol), and the latter were dissatisfied with jokes in the spirit of "ichtamnet". The army is a specific structure. Even the last thief and tyrant there sincerely considers himself a patriot, not to mention decent people, who are also lacking in the army (and the police). So cowardly invasions without displaying flags and stars, with concealing the facts of heroism and losses that became the hallmark of the late Putin, I am sure, annoy many. There is certainly nothing to count on SUCH army at a critical moment.

    I believe that in the event of a crisis passing into an acute phase, Putin will give the order to shoot at the insurgent people, declaring the dispossessed people terrorists. How much does it help? How to say. An example of many dictators who have tried to do this, from Louis XVI to Ceausescu, says that it’s not very helpful. At best, it is worth remembering Lee Seung Man, whom I wrote about many times. This, fleeing the wrath of the people, managed to reach the plane and dump it in the USA. Where Putin plans to blame, the question is interesting. Apparently, he understands that apart from North Korea, he has no particular options. That's why panic.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk April 6 2016 09: 36
      +9
      Where to bring Putin, in which case?
      That is the question, so the question.
      And where did he snoop?
      Yes, so that zhurnalyugi searched, searched, but never found.
      And then, like a devil out of a box - here I am, all this piano in the "Marquise Puddle", ready to steer further.
      Well, I drove ... to Kaliningrad.
      ...
      I am not worried about GDP at all. It will disappear, if need be, so that even Mossad will not find it, with MI-6 and SVR, not to mention all the CIA and other Paraguayan opera intelligence there.
      ...
      In another matter.
      If, anticipating the need for a hitch, a person begins to form a PERSONAL GUARD for himself - then drain the water.
      In the end, D'Artagnan became a confidant of Mazarin, the cardinal who succeeded Richelieu.
      And, I repeat again - only a friend can betray. Or a trustee.
      Enemies - never betray.
      ...
      Not all of this is optimistic.
  46. Captain45
    Captain45 April 6 2016 09: 18
    +16
    Some thoughts out loud: t. retired for more than 10 years, then I could be wrong, but in SOBR the positions were called an operative, and further down the list - shooter, driver, etc., now in the new structure there will be purely power names, the security officer will be excluded from his post, accordingly the revision of salaries. OMSN and other special forces are removed from the subordination of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Drug Control Service (they also have their own special forces) are brought under a single command. Regarding the FSKN, since before the formation of this structure, I myself worked as the head of OBNON (the department for combating drug trafficking) in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then after the formation of the FSKN I was naturally offered to move to this structure, but despite the length of service for a year and a half, the salary is 1,5 , 200 did not agree against the Ministry of Internal Affairs for one reason. Nowadays few remember, but the main backbone of the FSKN was made up of tax police officers who were downsized at that time. And this is not comme il faut, sorry, they are all so business-like, smoothed, pomaded, accustomed to running into commerce, but here we have to work with drug addicts, that is, it’s useless for them as you understand who’s milk. They have neither experience, nor positions in this environment, and most importantly, there is no particular desire to tinker with this d.e.s.me. means we plow, but they will skim the cream all the more since for some reason the former tax officers all went to leadership positions. So I returned to my native "alma mother" - the criminal investigation, although proposals to go to the Federal Drug Control Service were received repeatedly, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs remained loyal and now everything is returning on cr It's a pity that we lost so much time and money for all these reorganizations. And the withdrawal of the Federal Migration Service from the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not a good idea. From this independence, we were completely fed up. I remember how many orientations came in 300-XNUMX Passport numbers, which were declared invalid, issued mainly by the Moscow departments of the FMS for names such as Khachikyan, Mamishvili, Huseyn-zade and Oglu, and to the district police officer or the opera at the address almost through a written request, if there are no personal contacts in the FMS.
  47. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 6 2016 09: 18
    +6
    This Zolotov is being dragged as Putin’s successor.
    His career is vertical - which is the favorite of Catherine 2 ...
    1. Million
      Million April 6 2016 10: 21
      +6
      Putin has only one successor, Putin himself)
    2. the polar
      the polar April 6 2016 17: 30
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      This Zolotov is being dragged as Putin’s successor.
      His career is vertical - which is the favorite of Catherine 2 ...

      They pushed the retired major to the presidency, and now they want to blind the sergeant of the president?
      So it’s better then to push some tamer thread from the circus to this place. He even knows how to work in public, and he is trained to bow.
    3. partizan86
      partizan86 April 9 2016 18: 57
      0
      Quite possible. But for this, according to the rules / traditions, he needs to light up somewhere large, stand out with something large in a positive light for the electorate. Unless it is alarming.
  48. then
    then April 6 2016 09: 19
    +4
    During her reign, Margaret Thatcher surrounded the Tower with a metal fence. The English public was amused, why did she do it, only wasted money. Well, after a not so long time (a year later), after liberal reforms, when the "grateful" residents of London threw out onto the streets, the fence came in handy. What's funny is that our domestic liberals then admired Margaret Thatcher's foresight and used her as an example.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 6 2016 12: 04
      +5
      Tower - actually a historical museum. There
      nobody lives and works.
      Maybe the fence around Downing Street 10 - residences
      premieres. Ordinary apartment in the city. Entrance from the street.
      Not this fence?
      1. Danash I
        Danash I April 6 2016 22: 27
        0
        If I’m not mistaken, recently, the passage-passage on Downing Street has been closed. On security issues. And there was a time when our scout Martynov V. and his wife walked on it.
  49. then
    then April 6 2016 09: 21
    0
    Regarding the name, the National Guard is not a service, but an honorable duty. Here SOBR and riot police - this is a service.
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