How Medvedev Turchinova “started” ...

Another "historical analysis ”noted Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Alexander Turchinov. Responding to the words of Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev that the state does not exist in Ukraine, Turchinov decided to use the Maidan eloquence and made social network following entry:

Ukrainians had a state with a capital in Kiev long before the appearance of the Moscow ulus of the Golden Horde. Ukraine will also exist after anger, aggression and internal contradictions, which are always inherent in totalitarian regimes, to tear apart the rest of the Soviet empire, called Russia.

In this short, but very informative, statement Turchinov actually exposes those plans in relation to Russia, which Turchinov’s appointees nursed at the time of bringing him (and those like him) to power and who continue to be hatched today.

It seems that the inhabitants of Kievan Rus "with the capital in Kiev" would have been quite surprised that they were "Ukrainians."

Turchinov's statement is another proof that, without being able to bring order to their country (although not for this, the Maidan scumbags were brought to power), representatives of the Ukrainian “elites” continue to talk about their main dreams - “great peremog over Russia” .. .

Comments

[The black]

We will never be full, We will never be dressed ...
Let hungry, unwashed, But praised maidan!
We will never be smart, We will never be rich
But on the other hand, we will never trade with damn it
Well, let that ridiculous pensions And salaries, as in Central Asia ...
We believe in European values ​​... With lesbians and pederasts.
Let the gold run out of reserves, Forehead from the rake covered with cones ...
We will get drunk with Molotov's cocktail, Seizing it with covers ...
We know how to spit along, We turn the greasy little hands ...
Let him die, but on the other hand, For the whole head ... fuck .. unique ...

[Cheshire]

Did they tighten the binoculars with a rubber screed from Turchinov, or is it such a collective farm everywhere? However, even from this it can be understood that the photo is like Finland.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Cheshire

Did they tighten the binoculars with a rubber screed from Turchinov, or is it such a collective farm everywhere?

The main flag on the cap, everything else is nonsense.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Cheshire

Did they tighten the binoculars with a rubber screed from Turchinov, or is it such a collective farm everywhere?

The main flag on the cap, everything else is nonsense.

[Thrall]

What kind of binocular model helps the pastor to see if I can help everyone?

[cniza]

Quote: Thrall

What kind of binocular model helps the pastor to see if I can help everyone?

He sees through him the whole story from protoucras to the present day (filmstrips are played there)

[tsvetkov1274]

"Not everyone can look into tomorrow" or whatever ...

[vic58]

Yes Yes! "I see a wonderful moment ahead there" !!

[work67]

then not a flag but
Blue and yellow ribbon
Down Syndrome Problem

[tol100v]

Quote: Vladimirets

The main flag on the cap

There is where to aim!

[Miller]

This is to prevent a drunk sniper from confusing.

[gergi]

The main thing is feces in the head. The Baptist has plenty of them. Flag, this is secondary.

[Very old]

Timur Mansuronov is interested, but there is a video where turchka saliva spray?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Hottabych, yes you, "Yapovets" are burnt!

[Very old]

Corrected you

[sgazeev]

Quote: Old very

Timur Mansuronov is interested, but there is a video where turchka saliva spray?

Eat, go to the chicken coop and see how the rump splashes like saliva.

[Thrall]

Not otherwise, the color-picker assembled the binoculars

[76rtbr]

what they found in the "troops"

[Aliv]

There, the campaign still has a filler neck for benz sticking out.

[76rtbr]

for vodka !! 1

[vovanpain]

the inhabitants of Kievan Rus “with a capital in Kiev” would be much surprised that they were “Ukrainians”.

Colleagues please find Ukraine.

[james]

Disguised, bastards!

[revnagan]

"Hurray, hurray !! .." and many pluses .... States are born and disappear. We see only concrete, existing "here and now." 300-400 years is not a period. Where was the "Russian Kingdom" in Roman times Empires? Chinese Celestial Empire? Ancient Egypt? Babylon, Sumer, Urartu and Carthage? The fact that it did not exist then does not mean that Russia is a historical misunderstanding. It was formed later, only business ... By the way, there is no date on the map. And they are not indicated (quite by chance, I suppose? After all, the author is such a venerable "historian ")" Possessions of the Zaporozhye Cossacks ", or the historical region" Hetmanate ". But since such a" map "fully satisfies the current views of" hurray-patriots "and is politically literate for them, a lot of" plus signs "are guaranteed to you.

[Aleksander]

Quote: revnagan

Possessions of the Zaporozhye Cossacks ", or the historical region" Hetmanate "

These are STATES, yes?
It is the EXISTING states that are indicated on the map and not "possessions" or "regions" that do not have signs of a state: why should I show them?

[revnagan]

Quote: Aleksander

These are STATES, yes?

Wallachia? Circassians? Nogays? These are the existing "states" in your opinion? At that time the Hetmanate existed in the same way. In documents of that time it is referred to as "possession of the Zaporozhye Cossacks."
http://likbez.org.ua/zaporizhia-and-zaporizhia-army-are-one-and-the-same.html

[reservist]

and then let’s write the Region of the Don Army into independent states ...

[Serg81]

Wallachia? Circassians? Nogays? These are the existing "states" in your opinion? At that time the Hetmanate existed in the same way. In documents of that time it is referred to as "possession of the Zaporozhye Cossacks." Wallachia is the principality from which Romania grew, just as the Russian state grew from the Moscow principality. In the Middle Ages, the word Russia was not designated a state, but a territory inhabited by Orthodox Christians and this territory included lands like RP, ON so MK lands. And when the Nagai people had their own state, these were nomads nomadic from the Don to the Dnieper near the Sea of ​​Azov. In the 18th century, they went to their homeland in Mongolia.
About hetmanism is not a state education, but an area that appeared during the Khmelnitsky war as part of Poland and that’s all. After 1654, this territory belonged to the Moscow kingdom, but the people who lived in the hetmash were aware of themselves as Russian people, not getmashans. In France at that time, there were also the possessions of all the counts of Anjou, but they were not independent states.

[revnagan]

Quote: Serg81

. Wallachia is the principality from which Romania grew

Well, from the Hetmanate, Ukraine eventually "grew".

[vovanpain]

Quote: revnagan

.But since such a "card" fully satisfies the current views of "hurray-patriots" and is politically literate for them, a lot of "plus signs" are guaranteed to you.

My dearest, are you to me? Pluses are minuses, but take a plus from me for poverty, just don’t be rude anymore, dear. Py.Sy.Milshy still do not study history from Ukrainian textbooks, REGIONS did not show the same, accept our sympathy, but we will give you pluses, envy is a nice dear thing.

[revnagan]

Quote: vovanpain

just do not be rude anymore, dear.

And since when is an uncomfortable truth in my eyes considered rudeness? Http: //likbez.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/zaporozhzhya-1750.jpg
Here is a normal map of the time. Turchynov, claiming that the Galicians lived in Kiev and created Ukraine, of course, "zhzhot", as the young people say now, but you shouldn't be like him. And how can you explain the "map" given by you, other than a desire to simply raise the rating? And why is the soil fertile? I threw in a dubious scheme and broke the "sold-out". From the side it looks exactly like this. And your calls to learn history are very late, I graduated from school in the USSR. So if my knowledge does not correspond to your vision of history, then this is not a defect in my education. ,

[reservist]

Quote: revnagan

http://likbez.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/zaporozhzhya-1750.jpg
Here is a normal map of the time.

here is another one, both Zaporozhye and the lands of the Don Army - this is something like the current "autonomous republics", but not independent states

[vovanpain]

Quote: revnagan

And how can you explain the "card" given by you, except for the desire to simply raise the rating? And for some reason, the soil is fertile. Threw a dubious scheme and broke the "full house". From the side it looks like this.

Sorry colleague, of course, but I can’t understand what you are doing with ratings, but I’m clinging to the pluses and minuses, I’m sort of drumming at them, then I’ll probably upset you if you look at my rating in the profile, multiply it by 2, for hooliganism on the site, he was reduced by 50%, but do not care for him, because here in the forum, we are not a colleague for the sake of rating, but for the sake of communication and expressing our opinion. And then I’ll repeat the question to you colleague, find here on all the maps and you including the state of Ukraine, not the region, namely the state. I also graduated from Syria as a colleague in the USSR. Regards

[revnagan]

Quote: vovanpain

And then I’ll repeat my colleague’s question for you, find here on all the above maps and by you including the state of Ukraine, not the region, but the state.

To look for the STATE of Ukraine on the maps of those times is a useless occupation. THEN (THEN!) It simply did not exist. There were very vague concepts: "Ukraine", "Lands of the Zaporozhye Cossacks" - this is how the regions appear on the maps of that time. However, the semblance of a state in these territories It was. What is meant by a state? Territory with borders, army, government conducting its own policy, its own currency. What we have: territory is, army (Zaporozhye army) is, "government" is a hetman with a foreman. By the way, The Cossacks maintained diplomatic relations (received and sent embassies) with many states of that time. You should know this. Their own currency ... well, what Nem, that Nema. They did not mint their coins in Zaporozhye. Enough of the one that came from Russia, Turkey , Poland, Holland, etc., etc. So that 100% of this formation was not a state in the classical sense. But almost ... "Zaporozhye republic", or something. By the way, at that time there were no many states known today is for example Israel. But tryto give a hint to the Jews that their statehood is something ephemeral ... I understand your indignation, the zapadentsy are galitsai, whose successors are the real Kiev "power" have nothing to do with that history of Ukraine.
These are the descendants of Uniate Catholics who hated and feared the Orthodox Zaporozhians and who are proud of the "privileges" received from the Polish king for fighting the Cossacks. They seized power in Ukraine, appropriated its history and trying to speculate with it. But your "banter" about the fact that "Ukraine was not, the history of Ukraine was not "I do not understand.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: revnagan

Quote: vovanpain

just do not be rude anymore, dear.

And since when is an uncomfortable truth in my eyes considered rudeness? Http: //likbez.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/zaporozhzhya-1750.jpg
Here is a normal map of the time. Turchynov, claiming that the Galicians lived in Kiev and created Ukraine, of course, "zhzhot", as the young people say now, but you shouldn't be like him. And how can you explain the "map" given by you, other than a desire to simply raise the rating? And why is the soil fertile? I threw in a dubious scheme and broke the "sold-out". From the side it looks exactly like this. And your calls to learn history are very late, I graduated from school in the USSR. So if my knowledge does not correspond to your vision of history, then this is not a defect in my education. ,

That is, you quite seriously state that the indicated card is authentic, i.e. of that time, 1750?

Sorry, dear Alexey, but personally, I have big doubts about this

[Thrall]

These lips are hard not to recognize!

[reservist]

Quote: revnagan

By the way, there is no date on the map. And they are not indicated (quite by chance, I suppose? After all, the author is such a venerable "historian") "Possessions of the Zaporozhye Cossacks", or the historical region "Hetmanate".

although I’ve never been a historian, I’ll risk putting a map with dates and Cossacks ...

[revnagan]

Quote: reservist

although I’ve never been a historian, I’ll risk putting a map with dates and Cossacks ...

Thank you, that's right, there are no questions.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: revnagan

Quote: reservist

although I’ve never been a historian, I’ll risk putting a map with dates and Cossacks ...

Thank you, that's right, there are no questions.

So where is Ukraine? And it is not on this map

[reservist]

and if you look at the eastern edge of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania or the western - the state of Russia?

[Oleg Monarchist]

And if you look, we will see the eastern edge of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the southwestern state of Russia, BUT not Ukraine.

[revnagan]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

So where is Ukraine?

From time to time, pennies ... Yes, look at the map of the ancient world, but where is Russia?

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: revnagan

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

So where is Ukraine?

From time to time, pennies ... Yes, look at the map of the ancient world, but where is Russia?

Ukrainians continue to charge us with positive emotions ... Thank you, laughed.
What kind of Ancient world are you talking about? More details please.

Let me remind you, if you have already forgotten that the question that caused this controversy was related to the post of Reservista where he published a map with "dates and Cossacks" and to which you applauded "Thank you, that's right, there are no questions." And it was to this map that my question related to "So where is Ukraine? And it is not on this map."

And that is, you continue to assert that, for example, in 1545 from the Nativity of Christ, the state of Ukraine existed?

[reservist]

Quote: revnagan

And they are not indicated (quite by chance, I suppose? After all, the author is such a venerable "historian") "Possessions of the Zaporozhye Cossacks", or the historical region "Hetmanate"

Well, there were such areas ...

[revnagan]

Sorry, sorry, sorry ,, at accidentally "minus" ...

[samoletil18]

What are 300-400 years old? Once every four seconds, I did so on Wikipedia, at least take a look at the ignoramus.

[revnagan]

Quote: samoletil18

What are 300-400 years old? Once every four seconds, I did so on Wikipedia, at least take a look at the ignoramus.

About people like you, they say: "I heard the ringing, but where did it come from?" 1242. Kievan Rus was defeated by the Mongol-Tatars. There is no Ukraine at all. 1654. "Pereyaslavl Rada". Reunification. Please remind who Who did you reunite with? Maybe even look into Wikipedia yourself? 1242 years have passed since 412. And, I understood, I understood. Here's what confused you: not 300-400 years, but 412! As many as 12 years of inaccuracy is, of course, fundamental Further - 1919. The Ukrainian SSR was formed. The interval is 265 years (again, not 300-400. Well, how about me, eh?) In 1991, by hook or by crook, the nationalists finally created their own "derzhava". The state of Ukraine. As for Russia, with all due respect until 1547 Existed The Grand Duchy of Moscow. And only since 1547 - the Russian State. Until 2016 inclusive, this is 469 years. Oh you! Again a "miss"! Already for 69 years! This is "four times with 3,14 cases"? You also have mathematics States appear and disappear. The state of Israel is only 50 years old. And it is not known whether it will live for 300-400 years. And for a person living "here and now" 400 years is "eternal and unshakable." nothing eternal net.Tak that do not be like "Svidomo" claiming that "Ukraine is an auto-synchronous state (arose here by itself from the creation of the world and has always been). It's funny.

Quote: samoletil18

take a look

(And who is the ignoramus here?)

[samoletil18]

Yes Yes Yes. Only the same type of civilized Germans broadcasts about their own statehood as one of the oldest, and they certainly don’t forget about the Great Roman Empire. And the feudal fragmentation themselves had up to 6 hundred parts. And the barbaric tribes of the Galas, the Fratsusha, consider French history as history, but what did the Romans beat!
And Russia has the right to history only since the time of Ivan the Terrible? Type oprichniki created and Russia appeared? Or did the Ukrainian tribes declare "Forever with Russia", and so Russia appeared? The Mongols did not abolish the Tatar yoke of statehood in Russia, but there was a tribute and labels, but the management was local cadres. It was from Kiev that the Ukrainian leadership escaped from Batu to Hungary, like Yanukovych, abandoning the Russians, but Kiev was no longer the main administrative concept. Ryazan, Kozelsk and other glorious cities of that period speak for Russia, and the people of Kiev, while they were Russians with Batu, fought valiantly, apparently, the escaped Yanukovychs did not bring them to shameful surrender.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: revnagan

"Hurray, hurray !! .." and many pluses .... States are born and disappear. We see only concrete, existing "here and now." 300-400 years is not a period. Where was the "Russian Kingdom" in Roman times Empires? Chinese Celestial Empire? Ancient Egypt? Babylon, Sumer, Urartu and Carthage? The fact that it did not exist then does not mean that Russia is a historical misunderstanding. It was formed later, only business ... By the way, there is no date on the map. And they are not indicated (quite by chance, I suppose? After all, the author is such a venerable "historian ")" Possessions of the Zaporozhye Cossacks ", or the historical region" Hetmanate ". But since such a" map "fully satisfies the current views of" hurray-patriots "and is politically literate for them, a lot of" plus signs "are guaranteed to you.

And YOU, I see "meticulous historian" - the "smart" question was asked, "where is the date on the map?" Not indicated? In fact, the date is indicated - "The Times of Ivan the Terrible". I answer you as the most "clever historian" - this means John IV Vasilyevich on the call of Grozny 1530-1584gg. iSCHo what dates are you interested in?
By the way, would you be so kind as to tell us about the "state" called Kievan Rus Can you imagine a screen of a passport of a citizen of Kievan Rus commercials of the 13th century

[Serg81]

"Hurray, hurray !! .." and many pluses .... States are born and disappear. We see only concrete, existing "here and now." 300-400 years is not a period Well, let's start with the fact that the Russian State has existed in one form or another for more than 1000 years since Rurik (as the most reliable, but it can be even longer). And exists longer than the Roman Empire. Yes, states are born and die. But with the loss of the state, the loss of self-identification also occurs. Those. when Ancient Rome fell, the same inhabitants of Rome after some time ceased to consider themselves the heirs of DR, in contrast to Byzantium.

[revnagan]

Quote: Serg81

Well, let's start with the fact that the Russian State in one form or another has existed for more than 1000 years since Rurik

Ahrenet! You at least read the comments on this thread! "The Russian state ... 1000 years, starting with Rurik." Remember Askold and Dir. Cheek and Khoriv. STATE! Further your nonsense even comment on ridiculous. Your views are the reverse side of the medal called "Svidomism of the brain."

[Serg81]

"Possession of the Zaporozhye Cossacks"and what was this state called ???? After Peter the Great and the Battle of Poltava, part of the unfaithful Cossacks moved to the possession of the Port. There they founded the New Sich and lived in it, and the surrounding lands belonged to them, but they were subjects of the Sultan, so in your opinion they created their own state in the Port ???? Hetmanism is the name of a territory, not a state. I will give examples from Western Europe: Wales, Burgundy, Catalonia at different times they were independent states, and then went into common, but the name remains. But the Hetmanism and the possessions of the Zaporozhets HAVE NEVER BEEN INDEPENDENT STATES. From the beginning, these lands were included in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, then into the Rzeczpospolita, and finally into the Russian state. And the inhabitants of this territory called themselves Russian and were Orthodox.

[revnagan]

Quote: Serg81

After Peter the Great and the Battle of Poltava, part of the unfaithful Cossacks moved to the possession of the Port. There they founded the Nova Sich

Oh, a poor student ... The Zadunaiskaya Sich was founded after the dispersal of Catherine and her lover A. Potemkin of the Zaporizhzhya Sich. ".

[revnagan]

Grigory Potemkin, of course.

[Jack-b]

Quote: vovanpain

Colleagues please find Ukraine.

Something looking at this card I remembered a joke. About the Cossack who was driving for KAMAZ. Kamazist stops at a traffic light and feels a blow from behind. Well, he thinks I’m just trying to get this constipation right now. It turns out and sees behind another KAMAZ and its carrier.
-I don’t understand, but where is the constipation?
-Ts-ss-ss, he is between us.

[pv1005]

vovanpain (7) SU Today, 07:35 ↑
the inhabitants of Kievan Rus “with a capital in Kiev” would be much surprised that they were “Ukrainians”.
Colleagues please find Ukraine. request

Yes, you are my friend Putin's propagandist. Once you draw such cards.

[gur4enk]

And you can look at the map through his binoculars where there are "Great Ukrainians"

[vic58]

This is not to be privatized !!! Otherwise they know these "heroes of the Maidan" ...

[Human Factor]

Tied, not stole.

[sergeybulkin]

Did they tighten the binoculars with a rubber screed from Turchinov, or is it such a collective farm everywhere?

Curious that "Busol" (binoculars) in the photo is a real museum piece, German-made Karl Zeiss during the Second World War, my friend has the same one lying on the mezzanine ...

[The black]

bead "(binoculars) in the photo is a real museum exhibit, German-made Carl Zeiss during the Second World War,

Or maybe he inherited from his grandfather ..

[Red_Hamer]

Someone’s hands tremble there, chronically here and wound

[Pete mitchell]

So as not to put it in your pocket, out of habit ..: - &

[amirbek]

Quote: Black

Well, let that ridiculous pensions And salaries, as in Central Asia ...

on our pension you can - a ton of fruits and vegetables to buy

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Amirbek

on our pension you can - a ton of fruits and vegetables to buy

Why do you need a ton of vegetables and fruits?

[Senior manager]

And why do you need so many loaves of bread, Romanov, or, as in a feast, so many bottles of vodka?

[ermak.sidorov]

Thank you!
This, as they say, is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
I just figured that a pension of 9000 rubles. our pensioner in the "magnet", at best, only 0,5 tons of vegetables will be able to buy ... if it were not for the "summer cottages" and "trains" our pensioner could swell from hunger ... somehow it is not good = (

[The black]

The words do not belong to the "damned" and "Putin's bloody regime." This statement belongs to Pastor Alexander Turchinov. The source is cited below in the original language: Tsya lyuta nonsense about the heroic and great Ukrainian nation (before the speech, personalization - from the roots of the Mizinskiy culture) to be imposed on the sovereign diyyachu, the ex-head of the SBU, the ex-people's deputy of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov. The citation is taken from the third pretentious article “Autodafe”, which was played up two times ago in the newspaper “Vechernye Vesti” No. 141 dated 19-25 Sunday 2003.

The very title of Turchinov's article "Auto-da-fe" is characteristic, which means "Symbol of Faith" in Latin, or, in modern terms, "My struggle" (remember the well-known Adolf Aloizovich Shiklgruber). The very direction of the author's words suggests that he clearly does not associate himself with the Ukrainian people.

[v.yegorov]

And the surname "Turchinov" itself says a lot about the ancestors
Turchinov, Ukraine does not smell here.

[art 230]

thank! neighing from the heart :)

[Vend]

It seems that the inhabitants of Kievan Rus "with the capital in Kiev" would have been quite surprised that they were "Ukrainians."

That's for sure. And besides, Kievan Rus did not exist, it is simply a historical, scientific term for a period in history.

[tolian]

Black, you are not a relative of Mayakovsky, by chance? Good!

[ILYA M]

For these rams, history is not science, but an occasion.

[dmi.pris1]

They were the vassal of Speech and the Crimean Khan, and not a "state" ..

[avvg]

Probably, not only the "pastor" and all the "great Ukrainian ... ry" think so, and at the "Euromaidan" they rewrote history in Ukraine and study at school.

[saniajan]

As they already got with their schizoid hysteria

[RussianRoulette]

Stuck in his ass so that his head does not dangle!

[Aleksander]

How much anger and hatred ... You know him, but still, amazing ....
And with the story-absolutely shitty-Moscow appeared much earlier than the Golden Horde ..

[Dmitry Potapov]

Okay, we are Rusnya, the Horde ulus. Whose flag is on his cap? Kievan Rus?

[rotmistr60]

continue to talk about their main dreams - "the great overtake of Russia" ...

Even if only Svidomo remains on the ruins of Ukraine, who, for some reason, has not fled to Europe or Russia, then he will also hoarsely shout about overpowering. You can’t fix these.

[mad]

Quote: rotmistr60

who for some reason did not escape to Europe or Russia

for the reason that legs (with brains) in anti-terrorist operation left ...

[rotmistr60]

I agree, but he had left his brains on the Maidan before.

[antikilller55]

Shepherd from insult to the truth vangs

[kervin78]

One of Russia's economies has torn to shreds, another of Russia itself is tearing to pieces, how is mania (among psychiatrists) called when to tear up all hunting?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

no one noticed that it began to slip very often, what a LADY fellow? Are we preparing for the elections? we accustom people to the idea that not only plays in the "iPhone", but also Really speaks and works!

[gas113]

History repeats itself

[gray smeet]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

no one noticed that it began to slip very often, what a LADY fellow? Are we preparing for the elections? we accustom people to the idea that not only plays in the "iPhone", but also Really speaks and works!

You say work ....

[Nymp]

He holds his little hands in gloves, to see the blood of New Russia is not washed off.

[Sarma]

People who claim that they dug up the Black Sea and poured the Caucasus Mountains will no longer be helped by doctors, nor with the pastor ... Ukraine, this is what in 1654 became part of Russia and not a centimeter more.

[Shiva83483]

Quote: Cheshire

Did they tighten the binoculars with a rubber screed from Turchinov, or is it such a collective farm everywhere? However, even from this it can be understood that the photo is like Finland.

Yes, they are so-tyryut a mustache that is not nailed to the floor ... I know firsthand.

[BOB044]

Ukrainians had a state with a capital in Kiev long before the appearance of the Moscow ulus of the Golden Horde. Ukraine will also exist after anger, aggression and internal contradictions, which are always inherent in totalitarian regimes, to tear apart the rest of the Soviet empire, called Russia.

There is no mind count the cripple. Such can only be among those like him to be the boss.

[Scud]

Part of our Ukrainians are the maydon primates, Bendery injuries.

[sl22277]

I remembered the words of Rogozin about this figure. (In the late 80s, a rare city governor was the head of the Agitation and Propaganda Department of the Dnipropetrovsk regional committee of the Komsomol). He remained so.

[avg-mgn]

Turchinov actually exposes that plan in relation to Russia, which henchmen of Turchinov hatched.

They have a plan and they smoke it!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: avg-mgn

They have a plan and they smoke it!

In psychiatric hospitals, drug use is prohibited!

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In psychiatric hospitals, drug use is prohibited!

The one who put on the robe first is the doctor. Well, he prescribes treatment for himself.

[sergeyzzz]

Quote: Sarma

.Ukraine, this is what in 1654 became part of Russia and not a centimeter more.

This is something new you came up with. But what about Kievan Rus?

[revnagan]

Quote: sergeyzzz

But what about Kievan Rus?

It has nothing to do with present-day Ukraine.

[Sevurallag]

The binoculars are tied with rubber bands so that the sectarian wild pastor does not stole.

[nivander]

but nothing that Kiev was a Mongolian Yam station for more than 100 years, and only in 1362 did the Great Lithuanian Prince Olgerd recapture it from the Golden Horde

[vobels]

"..Ukraine will continue to exist after the anger, aggression and internal contradictions that are always inherent in totalitarian regimes .." It feels like feces with verbal diarrhea. And it is treated only by removing the bowel organ.

[EvgNik]

About what could be next.
"The situation is considered irreversible when we can no longer say" Let's forget everything! "(C) The source is unknown to me.
So, have we crossed this line or not yet?

[kamski]

With a tourniquet, binoculars were wrapped around so that the tripod would not collapse in an inverted form; Everything is as usual with Ukrainians total gypsy

[KARABAKH]

Turchinov will not calm down from anger ... Laughter and sin are shorter! Today is a significant date!

[vmo]

This wild pastor, (by nature) does not know history, but also an unwise person in essence!
And so the whole army of Poroshenko, board number 6.

[Furious bambr]

The joke remembered: .... and I ... and me ... and I will give you 3.14zdy now! Laughter through tears .. Well, if only Turchinov, half of Ukraine thinks so, would hear about the same nonsense with his ears. Moreover, from a woman educated in the USSR and not from a remote village ...

[individual]

In the confrontation of Russia, the West accepts everything, even the dense bursts of cloudy consciousness.
In a decent society, such turchins are kept in a yellow house, and in Ukraine in the highest elite of power.
They are casting the one who stinks the most.

[zap.ural]

Everything in Ukraine is like in the work of Gogol "VIY". Only ghouls and ghouls are in power.

[Alex ..]

Kievan Rus, I understand, but where are the Ukrainians?

[solovey]

This scumbag Turchinov need to hang the first !!!

[Corsair5912]

The "historians" of the 18th century could not have foreseen that the idiotic names they invented - Kievan Rus, Golden Horde, etc. for states that never existed, they will use Bandera-fascists, lackeys of the Yusovites for their dirty Russophobic purposes.
Russia from the 7th century BC was Russian and was not divided into tribes and small "Rus" with "Ukrainians" and other nationalities. The "tribes" were not able to build a gigantic system of fortifications known as the "Serpent's Shafts," only a populous rich state can do it.
Ukrainians are not a nation, but people living on the outskirts of the state. With the same foundation, residents of the Moscow region can be called centrists or centrists and assign the status of a people.

[revnagan]

Quote: Corsair5912

Ukrainians are not a nation, but people living on the outskirts of the state. With the same foundation, residents of the Moscow region can be called centrists or centrists and assign the status of a people.

This outskirts of the state lived for 400 years under the yoke of foreign tribes. Alien blood poured into its veins, a foreign language, faith, views. 400 years for those times when people barely lived to 40 is a long time. 10 generations! There were differences in the language, customs, views ... And you reason exactly like the Galicians. They believe that Ukrainians are "skhidnyaki" are spoiled Ukrainians. They can be "re-educated" by force, and those who disagree can be destroyed. So you think that Ukrainians are spoiled Russians with washed brains, and do not want to understand that these are Russians, but they are a little different. And people have lived like this for centuries, spoke this language, and it is unlikely that they will be able to "remake" them with one chok into Great Russians.

[Egoza]

anger, aggression and internal contradictions that are always inherent in totalitarian regimes will be torn to pieces

That's it, Turchinov. Correctly predicted the future of Ukraine.

[Pvi1206]

There are no fewer problems in Russia than in Ukraine.
Instead of making each other laugh, leaders need to solve problems in their own country ...

[Corsair5912]

Quote: Pvi1206

There are no fewer problems in Russia than in Ukraine. Instead of making each other laugh, leaders need to solve problems in their own country ...

Do not confuse a member with a finger, but a man with a hare.
In Russia, the problems are completely different than in Ukraine. We have no Bandera fascists and forbidden languages ​​spoken by 85% of the population. Our leaders are not sneaky foreign aliens, but our own fools.
Russians are not infected with phobias, do not kill people just because they want to speak their native language, do not believe in the sanctity of Hitler's executioners and punishers of Bandera, and do not impose this faith on normal people.

[salad]

Ukropeteks in their style))) but I thought that the morning would not be very fun, I was mistaken

[shinobi]

Prophet etit. At the expense of the collapse of Russia, I suppose such a mantra of complacency.

[kolexxx]

"By God's passing grace, We, ΝΝ, the Emperor and Autocrat of All Russia, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Poland, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Tavrichesky Chersonis, Tsar of Georgia; Sovereign of Pskov, Grand Duke of Lithuania Volynsky, Podolsky and Finland; Prince of Estland, Livonia, Courland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Belostok, Korelsky, Tversky, Yugorsky, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others; Sovereign and Grand Prince of Novgorod, Nizovsky lands, Chernigov, Ryazov, , Belozersky, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondiyskiy, Vitebskiy, Mstislavskiy and all northern countries Sovereign; and Sovereign of Iversk, Kartala and Kabardin lands and regions of Armenians; Cherkassk and Mountain Princes and other Hereditary Sovereign and Owner; Sovereign Turkestan, Shezog-Heir Golstinsky, Stormarnsky, Dietmarsen and Oldenburgsky and others, and others, and so on ochaya ". PS: other other things there, the rest of the world is listed so that the Turchinoids bark and do not choke on your anger, all titles were annexed or conquered, and even Norway can be declared Russian as the autocrat of RI was the heir)

[amt2011]

I wonder when it's all over and how it will be

[seregatara1969]

and binoculars with an elastic band attached

[Pacifist]

In the days of Kievan Rus, such a fictional generation by the Poles and Austrians as the Ukrainians did not exist in nature. According to the census of the population of the Russian Empire in 1897, not a single Ukrainian was. Ukrainians were called nationalities by place of residence, like Pomors. This is not a nationality, this is a collective naming of the population according to the locality. So all sorts of illiterate sectarian pastors and frostbitten Svidomites can bark as much as they like, but in fact they are just illiterate their rams.

[wandlitz]

Turchinov patient of the ward №6 ...

[Boos]

Quote: wandlitz

Turchinov patient of the ward №6 ...

Together with Medvedev, what is he better? Two boots ... One terry Bandera, ready to destroy us Russians openly, if with impunity. The second anti-Russian law does the same, enriching and enriching Jewish friends.

[Felix99]

Quote: Cheshire

Did they tighten the binoculars with a rubber screed from Turchinov, or is it such a collective farm everywhere? However, even this can be understood that in the photo

In Ukraine, the cart on wheels is called "Kravchuchka". A bag of potatoes is tied on it with such rubber bands.
You see a modernized version of the binoculars in Ukraine. New name "Hopak"

[Kudrevkn]

The "Stolypin tie" has long missed the modern "Mazepa" Judushka Turchinov! Although it is better to put a mad dog with a moronic grin in a cage and carry it around fairs and show it for hryvnia "for a peremogu" !!!

[JonnyT]

don't argue with idiots.

[Kibl]

Another dill academician from history. Well, it’s interesting, they have such fun, making themselves ignoramus and literate all over the world? For Ukropia this is probably the norm. I’m glad and proud for the Ukrainians if they agree that such oligophrenics run them!

[Londa]

Count you, Mr. Turchinov on history.

[BARKHAN]

I don’t understand at all how hypothetically collapsed Russia will lead to the prosperity of Ukraine? Yes, it’s most likely the opposite. Or is it just impotent, gloomy envy, lying and strolling all the property of the population.
Before our eyes, they did all this themselves! All the events were filmed and documented.
And in the end ... Ukraine is Europe! Go to ... to Europe!

[drags33]

It's time to stop running around with this "Ukrainianship" and face the truth: there are no Ukrainians in history !!! This term ("Ukrainians") was used to refer to people living on the outskirts of the Russian Empire. But the nations of "Siberians" or "Uralites" are not created just because of the fact that people live in a specific area. There are Jews - they live all over the world, but they are a recognized nation. So it is not enough for a nation to simply live on one land. "Ukrainians" are an artificially cobbled together "nation", and attempts to create it artificially have been made in the last 100-150 years. Today it’s a shame to be Ukrainian !!!
And the comparison of Ukraine (the former state) and great Russia is simply inappropriate and makes us laugh, and Svidomo dill - a tantrum!

[2s1122]

Quote: revnagan

"Hurray, hurray !! .." and many pluses .... States are born and disappear. We see only concrete, existing "here and now." 300-400 years is not a period. Where was the "Russian Kingdom" in Roman times Empires? Chinese Celestial Empire? Ancient Egypt? Babylon, Sumer, Urartu and Carthage? The fact that it did not exist then does not mean that Russia is a historical misunderstanding. It was formed later, only business ... By the way, there is no date on the map. And they are not indicated (quite by chance, I suppose? After all, the author is such a venerable "historian ")" Possessions of the Zaporozhye Cossacks ", or the historical region" Hetmanate ". But since such a" map "fully satisfies the current views of" hurray-patriots "and is politically literate for them, a lot of" plus signs "are guaranteed to you.

map of Kievan Rus 9-14 a century, yes there is no Russian Kingdom, but no Ukrainians

[Corsair5912]

Quote: 2s1122

map of Kievan Rus 9-14 a century, yes there is no Russian Kingdom, but no Ukrainians

In history, nothing is known about "Kievan" Rus, as well as about "Moskovskaya" Rus, Russia has always been alone. Yes, there was a period from the 9th to the 11th century, when the nominal capital of Russia was Kiev, which got rich due to the collection of duties from Novgorod and Western European merchants who passed to the Black and Mediterranean Sea along the portages from the Baltic to the Dnieper.
In 817, Arabs conquered Spain and blocked Gibraltar for Christians, and land routes were extremely dangerous. In 1201, the crusaders captured and plundered Constantinople, the trade route was closed, and Kiev fell into insignificance.
Kiev fell, and not Russia, as half-educators and half-educated people think.

[2s1122]

Yes, I remember the story, this is me for those who think that they are smarter than everyone. And you can argue about the terms as much as you like.

[revnagan]

Quote: 2s1122

Art of Kievan Rus 9-14th century, yes there is no Russian Kingdom, but no Ukrainians

Of course, they could not have existed. And the Ukrainian statehood was invented by Poles and Austrians in the 19th century. Here is what a paradox of history, there is a people, there is a language, but there was no state. No, of course the hetmans tried to create a state like Poland (Samoilovich, Doroshenko), but apparently not given. But even now there are peoples without a state. The same Kurds, for example, are trying unsuccessfully to create their own, but so far nothing is working. The trouble is that the current leadership of Ukraine is trying to create a "nation" out of the people by soldering it blood and group crime. And in order to give legitimacy, they attribute to Ukraine something to which neither the current Ukraine, let alone its "leadership" have anything to do.

[drilled]

Scarecrow, at least read Kostomarov, if you don’t believe the “occupier” historians. The ulus was the Kiev region, where the lazy Mongol never went. And in Northern Rus' they carried out raids. Khokhloputsky ignoramus. Ukrainian Kostomarov uses the word “Ukrainian” only in the phrase “Ukrainian Russian”.

[Corsair5912]

The Ukrainian historian Grushevsky wrote that the Slavic population of Ukraine was displaced by Turkic military colonists, that is, the Tatars.
Ukrainians have the same attitude to Kievan Rus as the Turks to Byzantium. For
territorial overlap is the only thing that connects them accordingly.
Until the 18 century, Ukrainians were generally called Circassians.

The Ukrainian HUT (the Turkic word) is built from adobe (a mixture of clay, dung and straw) (also the Turkic word), from this alone you can see where this technology was taken from.
What is the fence of HATU? Correctly THIS (this is also a Turkic word)
What decorates the HUT surrounded by THESE? Correctly KYLYOM (also a Turkic word).
What do Ukrainian men wear? Correctly, Turkic trousers, Turkic wide belts and hats.
Ukrainian women wear PLAKHTA (also a Turkism) and the Turkic NAMYSTO.
In Ukrainian. There are about 500 more Turkisms in the language: Chumak, Kat, Nenka, Rukh, Maidan, Gamanets, Leleka, Surma, etc.

[Lelek]

(It seems that the inhabitants of Kievan Rus “with its capital in Kyiv” would be quite surprised that they were “Ukrainians”.)

True proverb: “Whatever you call a boat, that’s how it will float.” Wherever you throw it, there is a wedge everywhere. What is the root of “Ukraine”? From what the Russian Empress gave - “Ukraine = the outskirts of the Russian Empire” or from the local, electoral - “to steal Ukraine from its roots”? IMHO, both are correct and typical for this region of the Earth.
So, a pop-haired man may not puff out his cheeks and puff himself up - at his age this is fraught.

[Denis Skiff]

the inhabitants of Kievan Rus “with a capital in Kiev” would be much surprised that they were “Ukrainians”.

who told them that they were Ukrainians?

[Oleg Monarchist]

Quote: Denis-Skiff

the inhabitants of Kievan Rus “with a capital in Kiev” would be much surprised that they were “Ukrainians”.

who told them that they were Ukrainians?

And it looks even funnier that in the language of the inhabitants of the so-called. "Kievan Rus" - the word ukraina means outskirts. For European Unionists, it simply sounds like Ukraine, they simply do not “catch up” with the whole meaning of this name, but for those who speak Russian, this is the Outskirts and the citizens of the country are the Outskirts...ppt

[Corsair5912]

Quote: Oleg Monarchist

Quote: Denis-Skiff

the inhabitants of Kievan Rus “with a capital in Kiev” would be much surprised that they were “Ukrainians”.

who told them that they were Ukrainians?

And it looks even funnier that in the language of the inhabitants of the so-called. "Kievan Rus" - the word ukraina means outskirts. For European Unionists, it simply sounds like Ukraine, they simply do not “catch up” with the whole meaning of this name, but for those who speak Russian, this is the Outskirts and the citizens of the country are the Outskirts...ppt

Therefore, it is necessary to translate the word Ukraine into European languages ​​- periphery (périphérie - French periphery - English), and the inhabitants are peripheral.

[Earnest]

Quote: Amirbek

on our pension you can - a ton of fruits and vegetables to buy

Quote: ermak.sidorov

Thank you!
This, as they say, is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
I figured out that for a pension of 9000 rubles. Our pensioner in Magnit, at best, will be able to buy only 0,5 tons of vegetables... if it weren’t for the “dachas” and “electric trains”, our pensioner could swell from hunger... somehow it’s not working out well =(

How many vegetables and fruits can you buy in your country of residence? amirbek on retire ermak.sidorov? Well, after all, you live south of Volgograd, it’s the same as me writing: “And in Vorkuta in December, you can fill three hockey rinks with one pension. And in Fergana, for how many pensions can you fill at least one skating rink?”

[Ros 56]

Stupid banderlogs, learn history and you poor people will be happy.