Evil thoughts. Opinion of Russian German

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I did not want to do this, but anger and annoyance were made! Perhaps you will understand what I would like to express, perhaps not. But still, I will say, and this will be purely my opinion!

And I would like to say about one case or a person who made me take a pencil and speak out. This man turned out to be absolutely unfamiliar to me the young officer of the Russian army, Alexander Prokhorenko. Yes Yes! It was he and his deed! Why "deed" and not "feat", you ask. Everything is very simple. First we all do the deed! And then people define what this “act” was!

And why "anger and irritation" - again, the question. I'll try to answer. Imagine a time, place and action. All our "gestures" have a certain "time" when they occur. And, of course, the "place" where they occur.

I live in Germany. I learned about the death of a Russian officer from a telephone conversation with a friend who lives in Tatarstan. He is a former paratrooper, a reconnaissance company DSB Airborne Forces, which is interesting, he served in the GDR. Tatar Muslim faith. When he talked about death, the notes of anger and desire for revenge were clearly heard! But it is personal.

Then came the articles on the Internet. A few days watching what is written on these open spaces. Comments of people, politicians and other audiences. There was annoyance and some sort of mixed aching feeling for the death of Alexander. Himself from the "former", although military people can confidently say which of us are "former".

And here, against the background of all these "actions", something happened that caused rabies and anger! I have one German friend. Not a friend, not an enemy, but in such a way ... One cannot get anywhere from such. And here we are having a leisurely conversation yesterday with him. And passed somehow unnoticed on the topic of Syria. He told him about what happened there. It was interesting to watch him and his emotions. I will not describe - I do not see the point. But what infuriated me was his thought! By the end of the conversation, he seemed to be jokingly saying that it would be nice to make a film on this topic.

This is where I was "shaken"! The very “annoyance” was clearly and clearly outlined in my head! Here it is! I remembered the Western leaders, how they called the Russian officer! RAYEEMBO !! They, these idiots, compare the real hero with a fictional, comic character !! A real feat - with the fantasy of a pimply onanist !! My brain was ready to explode from rabies !!

One simple thought reached my meager substance called the brain !! These carnivores will steal this feat! They will reformat to their own patterns and present them as their merit !! And we and our children will be told later (having shown an epic film about how the gallant marine of John, from Gorbatogorshchina of Mississisi, left the transgender Bill with AIDS and three adopted monkeys in his native land, and voluntarily left to fight the distant and evil East with the terrorists Russia has created): “Look !! Here we are !! And you ... "I will leave this moment to think out to the reader!

But it will be so !! They already do it !! Calling Alexander Rimba!

I did not beat the German. The "reflex of self-preservation" and the principle of "do not sharpen attention" worked! Otherwise, just the film will be removed, and you - will be planted.

Why did I write this? And besides! We sit here all in the internet, we broadcast about patriotism and our other virtues. It's good! What are we really doing? BUT? My answer is YES ANYTHING !! "Thumb up" yes "plus signs" for ... bullshit we send each other!

He came home from work, looked in the mirror and somehow became uncomfortable. After collected his three blockheads and told them the same thing as the German! About the feat of Alexander. In the hope that they will remember this history and will be proud that they are Russian and will not lead to the Hollywood story in the future. Well, he made a viewing of the film "They Fought for the Motherland." In the voluntary-compulsory order! Maybe we all need to do this? To revive and multiply the memory! Not so hot, what is the “movement” from the average person ... what if?

Dear reader! It was just a purely personal opinion. I do not impose anything or anyone. Just looking at things from time, place and action.

P.S. For visitors "IN".

I do not want to offend or offend anyone. But! Still speak out! After reading the article on the "VO" that became known the name of the officer who caused the fire on himself. I always read the comments. But this time I read how to say it ... on emotions, or what?

People!! I understand! The feeling of grief! It is necessary to honor the memory!

And again BUT!

There was an impression that many are trying to earn dividends on this! Really! Look at the articles (for analysis) that are not related to this topic - the topic of grief! And read the comments! Now go to the similar - mournful!

Phrases:
Everlasting memory!
We grieve!
You will be avenged! (Who will take revenge? Wrote?)

... Well, and so on !! Plus, the picture is more pathetic, and better from Soviet nostalgia!

Circulation guaranteed, yes? Pluses?

Is there no other way to express your attitude?

And write your own poems? Or, for example, as “Alena Frolovna” did it, quoting the verses of Konstantin Simonov “Son of an artilleryman” or “Shpagol”, - WEAKLY !!

In my opinion, with such messages or how to call it, you need to introduce a ban on voting! Excuse me for the sharpness of judgment! Himself from the former, visited, seen, has something to tell. Maybe that's why I think so.

There is such a thing - a minute of silence! So let's in such moments or moments - be silent !! And do not make money on it!
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  1. +107
    April 4 2016 10: 26
    it's hard to disagree. I saw somewhere - it is necessary to replicate not "Russian Rambo", but "Russian Bogatyr" - it sounds much nicer, young people may move away from Western stereotypes.
    1. +54
      April 4 2016 10: 36
      I arrived home from work, looked in the mirror and somehow felt uneasy. After he gathered his three blockheads and told them the same thing as the German! About the feat of Alexander. In the hope that they will remember this story and be proud that they are Russian and will not lead on Hollywood history in the future
      .Well done... hi
      1. +31
        April 4 2016 10: 53
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        .Well done...

        Why did I write this? And to that! Sitting we that's all in the internet, we broadcast about patriotism and our other virtues. It's good! What are we actually doing? AND? The answer is - YES NOTHING !! "Thumb up" yes "plus signs" for ... we send all kinds of garbage to each other!
        Those. this is also to myself, after all. Self-criticism?
        What are we actually doing? AND? I will answer - YES NOTHING !!
        People after work, someone during working hours. They read articles, express their opinions, solidarity, argue. What is the problem? What more should they do about this.
        For this, the Ministry of Culture and the Ministry of Education and Science should work, which should be sent to felling.
        Here is the problem!
        Which, again, the one who must decide, does not decide (Perhaps, intentionally, implementing someone’s plan for the collapse of Russia).
        Here is the problem!
        And ordinary people (including forum users) do not have the opportunity to solve it!
        Here is the problem!
        1. +46
          April 4 2016 11: 32
          Dear author, absolutely right!
          The Anglo-Saxons film about the exploit of Alexander Prokhorenko will necessarily be released, but not in order to elevate him as a citizen of Russia, but in order to make him meaningless in relation to Russia and to promote in relation to the geopolitical power of the United States.
          Therefore, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation must quickly - tactically and strategically - both at the front during the battles in the information war with the US Armed Forces, deliver a pre-emptive propaganda strike - namely, immediately release a film about the exploit of Alexander Prokhorenko, about our military personnel of the Russian Air Force, performing their military duty to protect their homeland - Russia - in the distant friendly to us ATS. The initiative in this matter should be in the hands of Russia! And it will be not only right, but also fair! Moreover, this cinematic issue is a matter of Russia's national security.

          To author +
          1. +4
            April 4 2016 12: 08
            Quote: Tatiana
            The Anglo-Saxons film about the exploit of Alexander Prokhorenko will necessarily be released, but not in order to elevate him as a citizen of Russia, but in order to make him meaningless in relation to Russia and to promote in relation to the geopolitical power of the United States.

            belay

            "- Translate ..." (c)
            ("Moscow does not believe in tears")
            1. +4
              April 4 2016 13: 07
              I would not be surprised if even the Anglo-Saxon strategists-cinematographers of the information war of the US State Department will definitely “find” some Anglo-Saxon roots from the parents of the Russian Hero Alexander Prokhorenko or something like that, allegedly connected with their loyalty to the United States and the “collective West ".
              Just recall this!
              The American TV channel PBS is ready for any provocations in the information war with Russia, issuing airstrikes by Russian aviation against fuel tankers of militants of the Islamic State terrorist group banned in Russia for the successful bombing of IS positions by US combat aircraft. The Iranian TV channel Press TV reports about the video stolen from the Russian Ministry of Defense.
              http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/81348 от 15:58, 23 НОЯБРЯ 2015
              Video "The American media issued a video of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria for the actions of US aviation." Posted Nov 23 2015 year

              On November 16, the Pentagon did report that US forces managed to destroy 116 fuel trucks transporting illegally extracted Syrian oil, but the US military did not publish any videos of the strikes.

              The French then did the same in the French media, attributing the successes and skills of the Russian Air Force pilots to the "successes" and "skills" of French pilots in their fight against IS in Syria. Moreover, both the Americans and the French showed in the media the same motion pictures taken from the RF Ministry of Defense video footage of air strikes by Russian air force pilots in Syria.
              1. +9
                April 4 2016 14: 37
                Some kind of nervous Russian German got caught. Well, what can you do if they do not have real heroes. So they have to be content with fictional characters. You will not envy them, because you can admire all of these Bond and Rambas, but you cannot be proud of them.
                1. +8
                  April 4 2016 16: 36
                  Attention! NEWS 04.04.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX
                  The Pentagon is already releasing a medal "For the victory over ISIS"
                  The U.S. Army celebrates a resounding victory over ISIS. ... The Pentagon will soon release a medal in honor of the success of the operation against ISIS. US soldiers who received it will be able to be proud of their achievements in the fight against world terrorism. What these achievements are, is not very clear - but, apparently, for the United States this is not a reason not to be proud of yourself.
                  The new medal looks especially cynical against the backdrop of the acid reaction of the US State Department against the backdrop of the capture by the Syrian government forces with the support of Russia of the relic city of Palmyra.
                  This, in general, characterizes the alignment of values ​​and priorities of the United States. To spawn terrorists in the BV in order to frighten unwanted regimes with them, then partially lose control over them and destabilize the whole situation in the region.
                  Moreover, the priorities of the US State Department in BV remain. Let there be rivers of blood, mountains of corpses, destroyed cities, plundered museums, and blown up historical values ​​- if only Assad were not supposed to be.
                  The United States launched a long-term bloody massacre in the BV, put the whole world at risk of terrorist attacks, did not intend (or could not) do anything worthwhile about this - until the Russians arrived. Which, together with Assad, were able to at least partially correct the consequences of US actions.

                  For details, see - http://warfiles.ru/show-113947-naglost-vysshey-proby-pentagon-vypuskaet-medal-za
                  -pobedu-nad-igil.html
                2. +3
                  April 5 2016 07: 45
                  It’s hardly possible to admire Rimbaud and Bond; rather, stuntmen work and nothing more admire.
                3. +3
                  April 5 2016 17: 24
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  Some kind of nervous Russian German got caught. Well, what can you do if they do not have real heroes. So they have to be content with fictional characters. You will not envy them, because you can admire all of these Bond and Rambas, but you cannot be proud of them.

                  heroes, that is, they are just German heroes understandable only to Germans))) they don’t make films about them, they rarely put on state awards
              2. +4
                April 5 2016 08: 43
                US + EU = ISIS!
          2. +19
            April 4 2016 14: 41
            Dear author, absolutely right!
            The Anglo-Saxons film about the exploit of Alexander Prokhorenko will necessarily be released, but not in order to elevate him as a citizen of Russia, but in order to make him meaningless in relation to Russia and to promote in relation to the geopolitical power of the United States.
            Therefore, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation must quickly - tactically and strategically - both at the front during the battles in the information war with the US Armed Forces, deliver a pre-emptive propaganda strike - namely, immediately release a film about the exploit of Alexander Prokhorenko, about our military personnel of the Russian Air Force, performing their military duty to protect their homeland - Russia - in the distant friendly to us ATS. The initiative in this matter should be in the hands of Russia! And it will be not only right, but also fair! Moreover, this cinematic issue is a matter of Russia's national security.


            The question is much broader, I have already tried to somehow draw attention to this here, it is a pity from the MO it is evident that they do not particularly pay attention to this site, the people express many sensible thoughts. I do not mean our "generals" on the VO who just - "we will give them!" I immediately remember one satirical story about the Governor of Ogogondia, who gathered the generals and asked - "What are we going to do with the enemy?" There were three possible answers -
            1 Declare war and drop the atomic bomb
            2 Drop the atomic bomb and declare war
            3 Drop the atomic bomb and declare nothing

            That's something like that sometimes it turns out in VO ...

            Chatter about patriotism in the form of all kinds of gatherings does not bring anything to anyone (except for the participants), why not remember the experience of the USSR? Without that stifling patriotism, which set everyone's teeth on edge and ceased to correspond. We ate it then, but! In the Soviet Union, patriotic education was everywhere - films were shot on request (what a bad word), and the level of awareness was enormous! Why is there no article in the MO budget for the production of films, both fictional and documentary? Why is there all the American stuff about the war in movies and on TV? Our isolated good films are simply lost, but the film "Stalingrad" ?? How Soviet censorship was not enough for him!
            1. +1
              April 6 2016 19: 03
              The film "Stalingrad" - shit. Hollywood and America rushing like out of a toilet like "outhouse". And this has already begun to be cooked up in a country that really went through STALINGRAD! For this should be imprisoned as an ideological sabotage against Russia.
          3. +2
            April 4 2016 18: 38
            Sorry Tatyana, but failed to deliver more than one plus, unfortunately!
          4. +4
            April 5 2016 03: 39
            Moreover, this cinematic issue is a matter of Russia's national security.

            I support, but the question is not only to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but also to the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.
            1. +2
              April 5 2016 16: 47
              Quote: Red_Hamer
              Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.

              I found someone to ask a question! here to go to Poland and get there full of fortunes - this is our Ministry of Culture, to plunder the money for the reconstruction of monuments - but from the whole breadth of the soul, but to do the job is not going down !!! am
          5. +2
            April 5 2016 12: 34
            Or it may be necessary for the first person in the state to speak on the first TV channel to honor the hero’s memory, declare a moment of silence, then hand over the award to his family, declare special attention (the family’s financial situation, children's education, the fate of his parents) to the fate of the hero’s loved ones. Vowel - loudly for all to hear !! Let everyone know! The Russians do not abandon their heroes and they remember and care about their native heroes. All this is necessary for current and future heroes. In the end, Russia needs it. .
      2. +4
        April 4 2016 10: 57
        With this Yankesov rat becomes! They’ll even think of Alexander’s parents to send some nasty things, like Yashin, with the established Rambo President’s Presidential Award, they kinda checked it out! am
      3. +14
        April 4 2016 11: 02
        need to introduce a ban on voting!
        Here I completely agree with the author.
        As for the sadder pictures, quoted verses (not everyone knows how to write poetry), you need to take into account that there are a lot of young people on the site who are used to living and socializing in social networks, for them this style of writing comments is quite common.
        I do not see anything reprehensible in the fact that people express their emotions in their own way, we are all different - much worse is the indifference of people.
        And the fact that someone is trying to earn dividends (what?) On such a topic, personally from me, is generally in great doubt.
        The impression that the author got excited, it happens ....
        1. +16
          April 4 2016 11: 29
          Ban?
          Who and how will it help?
          Nobody forces anyone to put pluses, this is firstly.
          Secondly, if one person found the right words, why should others repeat these words?

          Another thing is that when someone starts to threaten with quick punishment, carpet bombing and raids of paratroopers from the couch, it really infuriates.
          From me, these are likely to receive a minus, despite the correct words at the beginning of the post.
          Here I definitely agree with the author.
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          2. +9
            April 4 2016 13: 22
            Quote: Pereira
            Secondly, if one person found the right words, why should others repeat these words?


            I did not comment on the article for the same reasons. I put a plus to the article to express my attitude to the event. Although I was overwhelmed by many feelings! Feelings of bitterness that again the Russian guys stand in the way of world evil when there was no one on the whole planet to stand next to! Compassion for the family and friends of the guy who died so early! Feeling hatred towards enemies! And a sense of pride that Russia has faithful sons and true WARS!
        2. +2
          April 4 2016 12: 26
          you just didn’t see what fight was in the comments on the article - Maskva, Orenburg, Urals ... Even I got tired ...
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        4. +13
          April 4 2016 12: 28
          And I generally never write comments on such topics, not because of the callousness of my soul, namely because I think sorrow should be inside if it is sincere, just like Vera. He simply showed his wife materials about the feat of Alexander, otherwise she had recently stopped believing in the Russian people.
      4. vv3
        +19
        April 4 2016 12: 05
        It is necessary to comment on the article. Now about a different reaction. For 3 months on the forum I have been trying in various ways to tell what modern war is and how it is waged from my point of view. Not global, but local, as in Syria. I even wanted to write an article on this topic. I use the words information support, information field. and I look at the reaction. Nothing, basically not understanding and dismissing my thoughts as from an annoying fly. It seems that everything is clear why he talks about it. But it seems to me that it’s not normal. Well, I don’t like it when people die , especially because of the inability to conduct modern military operations, because of the flaw and, most importantly, the acuteness of the invisible issue! Everything is clear to everyone and we have it and we can, and he claims (annoying author) that it is not clear that we do not have this and We do not know how. Moreover, the acuteness of the question is such that it can be compared with the year 41 ... And then the spotter died, the hero died ... And I was thrown off. In the comments to the article "Syria: Russian Thunder" I allowed myself, without looking back, to express opinion about the inability of our army to wage war in modern conditions using modern information technology. Many took this as a kind of libel, a kind of "quirk" against the most sacred, the Russian Army. Moreover, I am on family leave in Ukraine and they changed my flag, and suddenly I became hiding. "And how can he talk about ours. Army ?! "... They threw me 100 minuses, as expected. Who thinks, who thinks, read it. Too many YELLOW on the forum and they earn" + "in cheap ways from the same people. I will persuade and continue this topic on the forum. For what? So that there is no misunderstanding that not everything is good and that we need to work ... So that such Heroes die less ...
        1. +2
          April 4 2016 12: 29
          Business trip, "business"? soldier
        2. +2
          April 4 2016 12: 34
          Quote: vv3
          Well, I don’t like when people die,

          ... and everyone else, znachitsa, is delighted with this ?!
          Information support ... information war ... And then - real, when it flies to you ... A bullet hits you - anywhere ... - but it always flies out of your head! If you stay alive! to remember ...
          Quote: vv3
          and suddenly I became a shelter.

          Surrenders, and was him ...
          ... and minus - they were all missing here! If they had business, half of the people would not have been here ...
          Despite the active rejection of the commenter, I will cite other people's lines (there are none of ours - God did not give talent ...):
          "And if you have to lie in the ground,
          So this is only once!
          But let death in the fire, in the smoke
          The soldier will not be afraid,
          And what should be -
          Let everyone do it. "
          M. Isakovsky
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        3. +4
          April 4 2016 13: 12
          Have you ever been on the "front end" to express opinions about incidents in the war and evaluate the army?
        4. +6
          April 4 2016 16: 03
          You are from one extreme to the other. I read your comments, although I did not minus - I have a principle - "In Russia, everyone goes crazy in his own way." And there is no need to turn the cliché over and put on "Urapatriotism" again, zadolbalo, who invented it? Minus because you pounced on command, planning, etc. And in the end, "Everything is bad in the army."
        5. +4
          April 4 2016 21: 18
          I also encountered such a problem and raked a few hundred minuses just because I tried to reason instead of shouting cheers.
          Shouting is easier than thinking.
      5. +10
        April 4 2016 12: 11
        Yeah! I also do. She told, explained and the film from my childhood corresponding ... about the war, about real people, about heroes ....
        And you know, it’s probably the only thing that works ... From the family, from the parents. I am very glad that my 12-year-old boy has a favorite book - "The Story of a Real Man" about Maresyev, and his favorite film - "Only Old Men Go to Battle".
        Well, not without modern ...
        1. 0
          April 5 2016 16: 51
          Quote: Northern Yolka
          favorite movie - "Only old men go to battle".
          Well, not without modern ...


          and my grandson has "They fought for the Motherland" ... and with a capital letter! hi
      6. +5
        April 4 2016 12: 21
        In Finland or Norway, for such a pedagogical method they would be deprived of parental rights.

        Too the author "poked".
        In fact, everyone shows their emotionality in different ways.
        Someone in verse, someone in great eccentricities.
        And someone is just silent.
        Just because the words do not always express those emotions. which the person would like to express.
        And not every listener understands or separates them.
        It’s not worth it to indiscriminately and en masse write down in banal talkers and rappers.
        To whom it is given, and to whom it is not given.
        To whom to speak, and to whom to listen.

        And the fact that people accordingly educate their children is a right thing.
        From the diapers you need to learn to live correctly, in good conscience.
        Otherwise, an opportunist, a weather vane, a spineless and spineless floor of a man grows up.
      7. +2
        April 4 2016 12: 42
        I don’t understand at all why take offense at a German? This militant nation in the past was castrated in 1945 and now, as they say, "What has grown has grown." And for the fact that the author brings up his children correctly, a big plus from me "+" good
      8. +8
        April 4 2016 13: 55
        Better come home, there are more of us here who read "The Son of an Artilleryman" and watched "They Fought for the Motherland" and "Soldiers went to Aty-Bats" and "Officers" and much, much more!
      9. -2
        April 4 2016 21: 12
        I won’t speak to you, we are all the sons of the same army, but I also felt this Temko and it is more and more murmuring in our heads of reproachless .... It’s good to make a great and non-victorious SA and all our tanks are fast.
    2. -7
      April 4 2016 10: 37
      Quote: Evgesh91
      it is necessary to replicate not "Russian Rambo", but "Russian Bogatyr"

      in fact, the author wrote about this - about stupid network manipulation with the search for epithets, hypocritical snot and jerky popular prints with pink-cheeked fellows.
      Quote: Evgesh91
      youth may depart from Western stereotypes.

      Well, yes, do you offer a similar stereotype in return?
      The fact that the film market of a certain genre orientation has long been turned into a cesspool, where a variety of different grades floats in layers, is not news. Our film production, by the way, also flounders there, but below Hollywood.
      1. +4
        April 4 2016 11: 16
        Quote: Pinky F.
        in-vo, the author wrote about this - about stupid network massage with the search for epithets,

        There was an impression that many are trying to earn dividends on this! Really! Look at the articles (for analysis) that are not related to this topic - the topic of grief! And read the comments! Now go to the similar - mournful!

        Phrases:
        Everlasting memory!
        We grieve!
        You will be avenged! (Who will take revenge? Wrote?)


        ... Well, and so on !! Plus, the picture is more pathetic, and better from Soviet nostalgia!

        Circulation guaranteed, yes? Pluses?

        +100500 to the author drinks You can’t say better !!
        1. +7
          April 4 2016 11: 31
          Quote: Vitwin
          +100500 to the author You can’t say better!

          Absolutely, some of the sorrows and congratulations thank you soon marshals .. The author is also beautiful +100500 hi
          1. +5
            April 4 2016 13: 39
            And what is so interfering with many other people's marshal's shoulder straps? They are still not real, virtual. What's wrong with that? If people give someone a plus, then they agree with the opinion. If you do not agree - "-". If they often agree, it grows in rank (virtual). This is a common assessment, as if after reading a newspaper or news on TV, you would discuss it at work, in a team. They expressed their opinion, from someone, maybe another. Or everyone agreed.
            Even if it seems populist. Put a minus and move on. What is the problem? What is so clinging to Alien titles, comments.?!
          2. +1
            April 4 2016 17: 21
            Quote: Vitwin
            +100500 to the author You can’t say better!

            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Absolutely, some of the sorrows and congratulations thank you soon marshals .. The author is also beautiful +100500

            Keep soldier
      2. +5
        April 4 2016 12: 32
        Quote: Pinky F.
        in fact, the author wrote about this - about stupid network manipulation with the search for epithets, hypocritical snot and jerky popular prints with pink-cheeked fellows.

        And judging by the downsides of Kamrad, they recognized themselves, you know, such a decent revenge, of course it’s ridiculous that these pink little dolls and thank you good drinks
        And they translate on the theme of TV, Rambo, etc., although the author clearly had in mind just pink snot on an adult site!
      3. +2
        April 4 2016 15: 37
        Quote: Pinky F.
        Well, yes, do you offer a similar stereotype in return?

        On the one hand - the replacement of sewed on soap.
        On the other ... Stereotypes are contagious. Getting rid of at all is probably just unrealistic. A holy place is never empty, unless there are OUR stereotypes, then their stereotypes will take a vacant place. Do we need this?
    3. +25
      April 4 2016 10: 42
      I respect the opinion of the author. Just do not understand: why so many exclamation points?
      Boiling up? Then perhaps it was worth composing a verse ... or a song? As the author himself suggests (for some reason, under a nickname?). What is the point of rubbing?
      War - it’s so ... risky. A military man knows what is going on. Why hysteria on the topic: steal a feat / do not steal? People will not forget, anyway!
      1. -10
        April 4 2016 10: 51
        Quote: Semen
        A military man knows what is going on. Why hysteria on the topic: steal a feat / do not steal?

        the concept of feat in the process of devaluation. Then someone wrote that, they say, our guys (referring to the videoconferencing system) commit daily featflying to bomb the IG.
        1. +2
          April 4 2016 11: 32
          They also offer orders to be scattered, not realizing that they thereby devalue the award for an outstanding act.
          1. +2
            April 4 2016 11: 43
            Quote: Pereira
            They also offer orders to be scattered, not realizing that they thereby devalue the award for an outstanding act.

            Well, yes, and then it starts - "let's take the orders away from Makarevich and Akhedzhakova!", "And let's reward Dima Bilan!"
        2. +6
          April 4 2016 11: 33
          good All that our propaganda undertakes as a result leads to vomiting - the brightest things will drive so that in addition to the gag reflex, it does not cause anything.
          1. +2
            April 4 2016 16: 16
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            good All that our propaganda undertakes as a result leads to vomiting - the brightest things will drive so that in addition to the gag reflex, it does not cause anything.

            In my opinion, it’s just because of unsuitability. It’s just that people who are completely unaware of the matter are engaged in this work. This, like artists, someone is fighting for masterpieces, but someone is painting fences ...
            Somewhere, after all, there is the main leader of this small business, one would ask him. His propaganda diocese and domestic cinema ... with which, in my opinion, the same is not all right.
      2. +6
        April 4 2016 11: 12
        First of all, it’s very hard on the soul from our real losses, and Captain Alexander Prokhorenko, who died while performing military duty, returned with age and rank and feat to the place where we lost friends and received disabilities - to the war.
        The pain of loss is unbearable and does not go away.
        None of us refused to die in battle, but guilt gnaws.
        1. +1
          April 5 2016 08: 01
          Retreat to the side. They performed various experiments, as a result it turned out that guilt, for which it was not at all guilty, that it remained alive, when others died, often pursued throughout life.
          Accompanies an innocent, conscientious, burdening his life and the life of his loved ones.

          At the same time, someone has neither conscience nor guilt.
      3. +6
        April 4 2016 11: 47
        Quote: Semen
        I respect the opinion of the author. Just do not understand: why so many exclamation points?
        Boiling up? Then perhaps it was worth composing a verse ... or a song? As the author himself suggests (for some reason, under a nickname?). What is the point of rubbing?

        Almost nothing to add. hi
        I’ll move to the side of the cinema - Rimbaud is an old propaganda stamp that has become well-known for a long time, many don’t remember, and some don’t even know with whom and when he was at war, just an image remains.
        Take newer films - like on a similar topic, but completely different - "The Fall of the Black Hawk" and "Red Wings" - how to make "beautiful" from two, almost failed operations. Does anyone remember the names of the main characters?
        If you shoot a film - then a documentary. Books used to be written, now online articles and films are such a life.
        An old song about the main thing - pluses or minuses? Not, well, seriously, not everyone can write poetry, but someone simply has nowhere else to speak out. No need to hysteria because of this. hi
    4. +18
      April 4 2016 10: 44
      There was an impression that many are trying to earn dividends on this! Really! Look at the articles (for analysis) that are not related to this topic - the topic of grief! And read the comments! Now go to the similar - mournful!

      I apologize for answering sharply, but dear author, in articles about Alexander Prokhorenko EVERY USER EXPRESSED HIS SORROW WHO HAS AS MIGHT. And the matter is not in the pluses of the minuses, you do not need to see the negative in everything, otherwise the pictures are glued not the pluses of the minuses .I apologize again, but the comments are also on emotions, and they are a respected bad adviser. hiPs But I completely support the ban on pluses and minuses in such articles.
    5. +11
      April 4 2016 10: 49
      Quote: Evgesh91
      hard to disagree

      The author wrote emotionally and I seem to be in solidarity with him, but ... one crap is jarring: he lives in Germany. Note, he says - I do not "work", but "live".
      Probably a long time ago. Probably has German citizenship. And if so, then he abandoned the Russian one.

      As far as I know, dual citizenship, except for special exceptional cases, is not allowed in Germany - if you want to be a German citizen - forget about the former.

      These are the moral teachings "from beyond the hill."
      1. +4
        April 4 2016 12: 36
        iConst
        Tell me - for example, the author could not leave for Kazakhstan from Kazakhstan to 90 (where being Russian at that time was not a fountain)? Remain Russian at heart, being a German according to your passport? Yes, it just happened that way, maybe a person ...
        A person is sick with his soul for Russia (and apparently he is really sick) - and you are "jarring" ...
        For me, so individual Russians - who do not care about Russia, it would be necessary to evict, but here the person is experiencing - but you do not like that he is "from over the hill"
    6. +6
      April 4 2016 10: 50
      I agree with the author! When I heard a phrase on TV about Russian REMBO - it hit me a lot. What side is rambo here? And implicitly, the thought came - that the Westerners, in their key, would certainly stir up am
      West mover PIARastov ....
      1. +1
        April 4 2016 11: 03
        Quote: Designer 1
        When I heard a phrase on TV about Russian REMBO - it hit me a lot. What side is rambo here? And implicitly, the thought came - that the Westerners, in their key, would certainly stir up

        Particularly pleased with the savory scenario proposed by the author:
        the valiant mariner ssyshia John, from the Missoupissi Humpbacked States, having left the transgender Bill with AIDS in his native land, left to voluntarily fight in the distant and evil East with the terrorists created by Russia

        Here neighing! laughing
      2. +5
        April 4 2016 11: 08
        What side is rambo here?

        Exactly. The Great Patriotic War was full of feats, but Rimbaud was not in the project at that time either.
    7. +3
      April 4 2016 10: 56
      Quote: Evgesh91
      it's hard to disagree. I saw somewhere - it is necessary to replicate not "Russian Rambo", but "Russian Bogatyr" - it sounds much nicer, young people may move away from Western stereotypes.

      Could be so. However, I see nothing wrong with perpetuating the memory of the film. Just do it right. If you argue as the author of the article. it wasn’t worth making all the war movies.
      1. +2
        April 4 2016 12: 04
        Quote: Wend
        Could be so. However, I see nothing wrong with perpetuating the memory of the film. Just do it right. If you argue as the author of the article. it wasn’t worth making all the war movies.

        I agree. Also did not quite understand the moment. For the idea of ​​making a film about a hero he wanted to beat a German, but he made the children sit at home to watch a film about the Great Patriotic War. Is it possible to make patriotic films about heroes? Although I agree, since the release of the "Brest Fortress" we have not had such ...
    8. -1
      April 4 2016 11: 10
      Quote: Evgesh91
      ... Well, and so on !! Plus, the picture is more pathetic, and better from Soviet nostalgia!

      Circulation guaranteed, yes? Pluses?

      To the very point of the Boa constrictor 19.
    9. +1
      April 4 2016 11: 44
      I had a friend, also a Russian German, who wrote better than spoke Russian (almost a local one) and he remained a friend exactly until the events in Ukraine and the rabid Russophobic company began. This is me about how the influence of the information presented in a certain interpretation gets up with the brain of a person who is not capable of independent thinking. I agree with the article and the AUTHOR's opinion and support, "BUT!", We really cannot change anything.
    10. +12
      April 4 2016 12: 03
      Guys, I wouldn’t be very annoyed about Rambo. Well, they don’t have any other heroic standards besides this glamorous Hollywood cranberry. They have neither Alexander Matrosov, nor Simonovsky Lenka Petrov (the real prototype is Ivan Loskutov, who caused fire on himself, you can take a look at Wikipedia) and they had neither Talalikhin nor Gastello, and they did not throw grenades under the tanks (well , except for the Germans, but who in memory will keep the fighters for a wrong cause), and they have no idea about Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, that’s what they can compare with, quite sincerely paying tribute to the feat. Well, to make a film is also a standard vocal reaction, that German is by no means the only one in the West who first spoke about making a film. What can you do, their mentality is so hungry. What’s the movie there - yesterday literally commented on the file a la Hollywood - the last 12 minutes were exchanged by Alexander Prokhorenko. And there already they crank this cranberry of the American mentality as an example of the feat of a Russian officer. There is only one way out - to make your own films. But then again, to whom, Bondarchuk Jr. with Mikhalkov? Thank you not - we saw, we know. The trouble is that who knew what a military feat was, they were already gone. And in the last thirty years, it has been rummaged through the brains of our people with such a rink that it is not known whether something was preserved among the younger ones in order to reflect this feat of a simple Russian person accordingly and resonantly in Russian.
      1. +3
        April 4 2016 12: 42
        Quote: Blondy
        There is only one way out - to make your own films. But then again, to whom, Bondarchuk Jr. with Mikhalkov? Thank you not - we saw, we know. The trouble is that who knew what a military feat was already gone. And in the last thirty years, it has been rummaged through the brains of our people with such a rink that it is not known whether something was preserved among the younger ones, in order to accordingly and resonantly reflect how this feat of a simple Russian person befits.

        I do not quite agree with the opinion Blondy about the presence of good directors in Russia. They are !
        From the generation of the above Mikhalkov:
        Victor Buturlin 28.06.1946/2004/XNUMX - I HAVE HONOR! .. (XNUMX)
        ANDREY MALYUKOV 06.01.1948/2006/XNUMX - THUNDERING GATES (XNUMX)
        Great films, strong! "Thunderstorm Gates" I can watch "on the ring"!
        Younger directors are still shooting crime series, but they will also shoot feature films!
        1. +2
          April 4 2016 18: 26
          Quote: Starover_Z
          I do not quite agree with the opinion of Blondy about the presence of good directors in Russia. They are !
          From the generation of the above Mikhalkov:
          Victor Buturlin 28.06.1946/2004/XNUMX - I HAVE HONOR! .. (XNUMX)
          ANDREY MALYUKOV 06.01.1948/2006/XNUMX - THUNDERING GATES (XNUMX)

          Yes, just agreed, judging by the dates of birth, these directors are already under seventy, it is already difficult to attribute them to young ones. And the men are needed already with a different experience - Afghanistan and Chechnya. Although there is a problem here - it’s very ambiguous, as Zhirinovsky used to say, the experience of these wars. And if the direct participants in the hostilities showed themselves worthy, then the surrounding background suppressed and did not contribute to the manifestation of the sensation that you are participating in the struggle for a just cause.
      2. 0
        April 4 2016 12: 47
        the problem is that in the first Rambo there was nothing at all, and only in the second did he start to fight and perform "feats" (in American terms), or rather to avenge the wrongs inflicted on him ..

        T.E. formally, OURS are now being compared - with a marginal who shot a bunch of police officers for personal resentment..

        That could be - I would say something forbidden with a bunch of "you" and "on" to the journalists who came up with such a comparison - compare "a piece of organic fertilizers" and a MAN
        1. +1
          April 4 2016 23: 18
          Quote: your1970
          that in the first Rimbaud there was nothing at all

          The first film, like the book, is a drama that shows the attitude in the United States towards those who fought for them. The funny thing is that they fit perfectly into the Soviet ideology of the local customs.
          Starting with the second, there was a frenzied propaganda of the fight against the "Evil Empire".
    11. +2
      April 4 2016 12: 03
      These corpse-eaters will steal this feat! Reformatted to your patterns and presented as your merit !! And they will tell us and our children later (showing an epic movie about how the valiant mariner ssshysya John from the Humpbacked Mississippi State, having left the transgender Bill with AIDS, and three foster monkeys in his native land, left to voluntarily fight the distant and evil East with terrorists created by Russia)
      But the author is completely right, how many of our cartoons they have already torn up under their wretched names (one scarlet flower of which is worth)
      1. +13
        April 4 2016 12: 43
        In my opinion, with such messages or what to call it, a ban on voting must be introduced!
        On mine too. You definitely can’t increase your rating on such things, because the event is primarily a sad one. Fanfare is out of place here.
        1. 0
          April 5 2016 16: 40
          What nonsense, people are plus when they agree with the opinion. Do not write the same thing to everyone.
    12. +4
      April 4 2016 13: 08
      Again blah blah blah on the clave ... The German writes about this something !!! For the third time, in the third article on VO I propose: let's create a fund to help the unborn child of a deceased officer and we will help him from birth and in life! Aw, moderators! You have a great opportunity to pull up the site rating! Oh, forum users! After my post, our real value will become apparent. And no shoulder straps will cover us from this assessment.
    13. +2
      April 4 2016 15: 29
      Quote: Evgesh91
      "Russian Rambo", and "Russian Bogatyr" sounds much nicer, young people can move away from Western stereotypes.

      I read komenty of western inhabitants on an article about the feat of Alexander, do not believe it, almost half are interested in whether he showed the middle finger to ISIS before death or not! Dibiloids !!
  2. +17
    April 4 2016 10: 29
    So no one earns. I do not see any hidden meanings in the comments. There are probably people who are not sincere. God will judge. Do not take all these pluses and minuses seriously.

    This is just a discussion club. Seriously.
    1. +18
      April 4 2016 10: 35
      The guy is a hero, his deed is an act of feat and no one profits, but everyone is proud.
    2. +11
      April 4 2016 10: 41
      Quote: AYUJAK
      So no one earns. I do not see any hidden meanings in the comments. There are probably people who are not sincere. God will judge. Do not take all these pluses and minuses seriously.
      This is just a discussion club. Seriously.
      Also think that Phrases:
      Everlasting memory!
      We grieve!
      - This is a piece of grief, just like flowers at a funeral, a candle.
      Not all poems will be read, quoted. Someone just wants to say - Eternal memory, expressing Empathy, Condolences, Solidarity.
  3. +7
    April 4 2016 10: 31
    The "Westerners" have a habit of making a show out of everything; only the grave can fix them.
    1. +9
      April 4 2016 10: 45
      "Westerners" have a habit of making a show of everything

      We also have such, Malakhov, Zelensky. I would have strangled it. lol
      1. +1
        April 4 2016 12: 42
        Quote: mivmim
        We also have such, Malakhov, Zelensky. I would have strangled it.

        I agree about "strangled", but sometimes I want to make it more sophisticated laughing
        But on the other hand - and who makes them ratings?
    2. +5
      April 4 2016 10: 54
      Quote: raid14
      "Westerners" have a habit of making a show of everything

      And isn’t it so? A famous person, any artist, singer has died - right there, after a few days, with all the programs, they tastefully show how they share the inheritance and profit from people's grief. Wedding, commemoration, divorce - all in one piece show.
      1. +2
        April 4 2016 12: 14
        Quote: EvgNik
        And isn’t it so?

        all so - the law of the genre) "To be famous is ugly" (c). The costs of publicity - digging in the dirty linen of celebrities with all kinds of husk and parasites - journalists, bloggers. Lowly savoring of intimate subjects. Look at the newspaper counter at the checkout of any supermarket - headlines make you feel sick. But! Demand creates supply. The point is apparently us themselves.
    3. -9
      April 4 2016 11: 09
      Quote: raid14
      "Westerners" have a habit of making a show of everything

      Soviet cinema (and not only) was also replete with second-class heroic popular print. For me personally, the apotheosis of id ... zma became Molchanovskaya opera "And the dawns here are quiet."
      1. +2
        April 4 2016 11: 53
        Quote: Pinky F.
        the apotheosis of id ... zma was Molchanov's opera "The Dawns Here Are Quiet".

        in how. I didn’t know that there are so many Mariinsky regulars at VO laughing
        Maybe some opera esthete, besides the minuses, will embed a couple of arguments in defense of this performance, eh?
        1. +6
          April 4 2016 12: 27
          Didn't watch the opera. It is difficult to imagine Vaskov singing: "Send me the nasty ones ..." what
          1. +1
            April 4 2016 12: 49
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            It is difficult to imagine Vaskov singing: "Send me the nasty ones ..."

            What about Vaskov singing in Chinese?
            1. +4
              April 4 2016 13: 08
              I'd rather reread the original than listen to this crap.
              1. +4
                April 4 2016 13: 34
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                I'd rather reread the original than listen to this crap.

                +100
                And the 1972 film.
            2. 0
              April 5 2016 08: 13
              Where did you get this photo from? Judging by the awards Vaskov has just returned from the military registration and enlistment office, where he received the Jubilee medals, and was he also accepted into the October Revolution? Or am I cheating? The funny thing is that the events described in "The Dawns Here Are Quiet ..." took place before 1943, and the foreman had epaulettes, and even the 70s! Well, the Chinese are annealing!
  4. +9
    April 4 2016 10: 32
    In the beginning, we all do an act! And then people determine what this "act" was!

    In general, it is very correctly said that no one thinks of a feat, and not because there is no time to think, but because it does so as the heart or mind suggests. And it’s very true that only evaluating conscience.
    1. +29
      April 4 2016 10: 57
      Quote: avg-mgn
      At first, we all commit an act!


      Act of discord. Take at least two: the deed of our dead (rest in peace) correspondents in the Donbass and the deed of the Bandera bribe-taker-gunner who happened at the same time, on the same land, with people of the same nation. Different actions? Yes, different at the root. But what’s astounding: the whole Western world stood on its hind legs in defense of the Nazi and not a single kind word of sympathy for the guys who died in the performance of their professional duty. But this is also an act of a whole bunch of countries that constantly repeat about humanism and prudishly teach us the principles of this very humanism. fool
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      2. +6
        April 4 2016 12: 47
        And I remembered another feat of a very young boy, paratrooper Yevgeny Rodionov, after a hundred days of captivity and torture in the first Chechen war, he was asked to remove the cross and convert to Islam, Yevgeny refused because he was beheaded. He is also a very young guy, but the core was laid from childhood. I talked about work with his mother, by the way, she went all over Chechnya in search of her son, but still found him. And here's the question. Much is said about the Pepsi generation, but real actions in extreme situations show otherwise. By the way, the ROC refused the proposal to canonize, although the feat of faith is evident.
    2. +6
      April 4 2016 11: 09
      Quote: avg-mgn
      acts exactly as the heart or mind suggests


      I didn’t then, when they wrote about the guy, talk about Rambo ... He only said that he was a boy, a very young boy ...

      And it’s good that then his photographs showed ... Small, slender ... but already - not a kid, already - a man ...

      What the fuck Rambo ??? Here - a man showed both strength of mind, and devotion to his work, his profession - to defend his homeland ... Yes, yes, there, in Syria, he defended our common homeland so that the Abreks did not come to it ...

      And the fact that some Hollywood will beat this situation is their problems and concerns ...

      It is important that not only we remember this guy, but that the state for which he died did not forget about his widowed wife and unborn child ...

      PS And the emotions of the author, who has lived in a foreign country for many years, have once again been confirmed by the fact that mostly Russians, even in a foreign land, continue to remain Russian in their souls, regardless of nationality ...
  5. +7
    April 4 2016 10: 33
    The author is well done, he wrote correctly. Although resentment and bitterness are evident throughout the word, it is clear what is written from the bottom of my heart.
  6. +5
    April 4 2016 10: 34
    Thank you for your frankness! Therefore, he stopped commenting on the article. Keep silent and think better
    1. +1
      April 4 2016 10: 37
      Totally agree with you!
  7. VP
    +5
    April 4 2016 10: 34
    That is why he did not write anything in topics about Alexander. I didn’t want to slide into banalism and template phrases.
  8. +1
    April 4 2016 10: 34
    Yes, in general, I agree with the author. If you consider your comment as an exhaustive reaction. And when it’s additionally in the treasury of the worldview, and when meeting with the same Germans, it’s not a scuffle to arrange, but to behave with dignity and pride in your country ...
  9. +1
    April 4 2016 10: 35
    On the one hand, but on the other too much! and? for a real Aryan. But Russian ...
  10. +7
    April 4 2016 10: 36
    The article is a cry of the soul. We must accordingly relate to this.
  11. +4
    April 4 2016 10: 38
    I am also from the former. I know that you can’t put a scarf on someone else’s mouth. We are all different, some sincerely worry, take to heart, some imitate sorrow. This is the nature of man. The only consolation is that in Russia sincere people the vast majority. In Europe, this seems to be in short supply. I sympathize with the author, his well-fed Europeans got him. Yes, a good man died. He made his choice. On his example, many people thought about themselves, but what would I do? And the film, well, let them shoot another Hollywood crap. We need to make our own films about such people, so make them so that no Hollywood is around. The only way! Otherwise, we lose a generation.
    1. +2
      April 4 2016 11: 21
      Quote: gergi
      We need to make our own films about such people, so make them so that no Hollywood is around.


      The author did the right thing when he forced his children to watch the film "They Fought for the Motherland" and gave the children the appropriate explanations ... This is also an act ...

      It is a pity that we have no sensible filmmakers left to make SUCH films ...

      PS Something was remembered by Sergey Bondarchuk and his son ... Mdyayaya, sometimes an apple falls far from an apple tree ...
  12. HAM
    +4
    April 4 2016 10: 38
    ...! They, these idiots, are comparing a real hero with a fictional, comic character !! A real feat - with the fantasy of a pimple onanist !! .....

    Not an eyebrow, but an eye ---- the author agrees with you and I share your indignation and indignation, including on-duty phrases. Sometimes it’s better to restrain yourself than to speak banalities.
  13. +11
    April 4 2016 10: 39
    Key word in the article "I live in Germany". I saw a lot of them there, on Fridays they don't go to Biergarten to drink beer in the company, but to the garage, as we have. Nostalgia! Doesn't work there, like many, but lives! It means that life in Russia did not like it, so it lives. Yes, life there is safer and more satisfying. than ours. It is good to open a newspaper after morning coffee and be filled with indignation for the slander that is being spewed out against Russia, against all of us. But dear man, it erupts at us, and you are already in your nourishing bourgeoisie. So it hurts. don't judge us. and if you are such a fighter for justice, why not join the ranks of the defenders of Russia.
    1. +3
      April 4 2016 14: 07
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      So life in Russia did not like, here it lives.

      And it didn’t occur to you that for example, he immigrated from the same Kazakhstan, and not from Russia. And if you have a question why to Germany and not to us, then take an interest in how fun it is to get former compatriots citizenship in Russia if you certainly want everything according to the law.
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      But dear man, she is erupting at us, and you are already in your well-fed bourgeoisie.

      And there is no need to envy him, in spite of the "well-fed bourgeoisie" he has not ceased to consider himself a Russian German and his soul hurts for the Russian Ukrainian.
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      and if you are such a fighter for justice, why not join the ranks of the defenders of Russia.

      This question can be asked to you and the majority of members of the forum. And the answer for the majority, again, can be only one, the time will come. And it is far from the fact that he or his children from the "well-fed bourgeoisie" will not do the same.
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      2. +8
        April 4 2016 19: 36
        The fact. what I know about the situation of Russian Germans in Germany firsthand. When I retired, I signed a contract with a German company. It turned out that many Russian Germans worked in our department. What to say? First of all, departure to their historical homeland greatly reduced their social status. See The chief economist at the plant in Shymkent - the cleaning lady in the department. Head the library in Kustanai - a preparation (prepared a workplace for operators). Her husband, a cavalier of the Order of Lenin for agriculture, a delegate to all kinds of congresses - there is a welder at a construction site, did not know the German language and proudly declared that he did not want to learn this dog language - they fired. BUT Nobody told me that he would like to move to Russia (climate is favorable. Salary is more than 1000 euros). In general, they are apolitical. Another thing the Germans - colleagues who visited Russia, they all treated Russia with sincere sympathy. this is strange. because I didn’t read a word of sympathy for Russia in any of the German newspapers, even before the Crimea and even before the argument about the pederasts. I'm afraid. that the question of the fate of Russia will be resolved without our participation is too impudent a rod on us and our leader. And our media expose their arrogance, but no more - no offensive. And then there is the economy. To achieve their vile goals, it is enough to knock out the Moscow intelligentsia in rebellion. and she is greedy for it.
        1. +1
          April 5 2016 08: 15
          Great to write, Michael! I agree with you 100%! RESPECT!
          At night I began to read, write, read and write again. It so happened.
  14. +6
    April 4 2016 10: 42
    Forgive me of course, Boa constrictor19, but you didn’t get a LAST SILENCE either. The words are correct, but I do not think that they are sincere of those that were published on VO earlier. (Purely personal opinion)
  15. +8
    April 4 2016 10: 42
    This article also makes you wonder if you need to comment on it.
  16. 0
    April 4 2016 10: 44
    A society in which illusion serves as a measure of real courage and heroism is doomed. They have no real examples of worthy deeds, well, if only they shoot a wedding or bomb a hospital, burn living people.
  17. +5
    April 4 2016 10: 45
    Here it is! I remembered the Western leaders, how they called the Russian officer! RAYEEMBO !! They, these idiots, compare the real hero with a fictional, comic character !!


    1 To Germans, even those who are often in Russia, cannot explain anything at all about our life and politics.
    From the word at all. Not at all possible. Even those who live here for more than a year and even speak Russian — all don't understand a damn thing. So it goes
    2 German reaction is positive, which is typical (although Germany is against Assad)
    3 Your anger is not completely clear to me: are you familiar with Western culture not by hearsay? Then what is it?

    Somehow I’m not catching up with you: I regularly read German articles about Russia and Putin, I laugh ...
    1. +3
      April 4 2016 11: 50
      Quote: Olezhek
      1 To Germans, even those who are often in Russia, cannot explain anything at all about our life and politics.

      do you need it? One might think that it is possible to explain something to a Russian abroad about "their" life and politics. And they come to us, and we go to them for completely different purposes. With very few exceptions. The days of "people's diplomacy" are long over. And this is good.
      1. +4
        April 4 2016 14: 49
        One might think that it is possible to explain something to a Russian abroad about "their" life and politics. And they come to us, and we go to them for completely different purposes.


        Suddenly I will surprise a lot: I was always interested in this: both their life and politics
        Then I taught the language in principle - if you do not go into subtleties, then for me, let's say the Germans are quite predictable with their "sanctions and support for democracy in Russia," although I did not live there.
        And no one in Russia calls the same Germany mysterious and incomprehensible: the people are in principle oriented.
        that is, there is asymmetry - we understand them in principle, they don’t.
    2. +1
      April 4 2016 12: 51
      Quote: Olezhek
      1 To Germans, even those who are often in Russia, cannot explain anything at all about our life and politics.
      From the word at all. Not at all possible. Even those who live here for a year or more and even speak Russian even do not understand one damn thing.

      "What is good for a Russian, death for a German ..."
  18. +4
    April 4 2016 10: 46
    I read the article, mentally shook hands with the author, your boa constrictor is strong. .... Further I wrote a little in development of your thoughts, erased what to procrastinate when you have everything said.
  19. hartlend
    +2
    April 4 2016 10: 47
    In general, I agree with the author. I just want to pay attention that the problem described by the author is not unique. Modern managers and lawyers are trying to reduce all our activity to likes on the network. This is the concept of the destruction of Russia. Most do not even understand how we are fooled. This is well written (audio is also available) by Vadim Zeland in Transerfing. For example, many people write comments here in order to write and get advantages, therefore the content is like that. And the rules of the site are such that no one stands out. Be in trend, be in touch, like, be like everyone else. And Mikhanov, who strive to get 5 ranks in two days, is enough in all areas of our lives.
    1. +3
      April 4 2016 13: 56
      Why are there Germans or Americans, I just recently "talked" with one retired VVshnik (more likely from the camp guard), so I am still sick of his revelations! This so-called BB officer, if I may say so, developed the "deepest thought" that the USSR had set Hitler against poor Europe! And Stalin and the USSR are to blame for the "unleashing" of 2 MV, they have already stopped fantasizing about this in the West, since everything is clear to everyone! Do not be surprised at what scum is everywhere and always! It was they who, trying to discredit the exploits of our people during the Great Patriotic War, composed vile anecdotes about Alexander Matrosov, Gastello and many of our other Great Heroes! And let them, the main thing is that neither we nor our children and grandchildren believe in this devilry!
  20. +8
    April 4 2016 10: 48
    Author boa constrictor19


    Emotionally and vividly, the author expressed what he thinks ... rarely this happens on HBO.

    But now, in the case ... let’s leave emotions aside and put what is happening on the shelves.

    Alexander Prokhorenko ... an officer ... a professional military man ... his main task was to carry out a combat mission ... that he carried out with brilliance.
    But unfortunately in any serious military operation there are risks and faces that cannot be crossed otherwise death or captivity ... war is still not a computer shooter .. it will not work again.
    Palmyra is a historical monument and Alexander took a serious risk taking a position in a dangerous proximity to Daesh militants .... probably it was impossible otherwise.
    As a result, he died ... PALMIRA was freed, the truth is no easier ... it is impossible to foresee everything, it is only possible to minimize damage ... that means something has not been finalized in the work of the military aircraft pilot if this happened.
    As for REMBO ... I absolutely don't give a damn about this fictional movie hero of the USA ...
    The trouble with our society is that in our films, surrogate heroes are shoved into our boys and girls instead of real ones ... this tendency must be fundamentally broken ... but this must be demanded from our media, including voluntarily-forcibly.
  21. +5
    April 4 2016 10: 49
    Dear Reader! It was just a purely personal opinion.

    Dear, this is my opinion too.
  22. +5
    April 4 2016 10: 50
    "I came home from work, looked in the mirror and somehow felt uncomfortable. Then I gathered my three idiots and told them the same thing as a German! About Alexander's feat. In the hope that they will remember this story and be proud the fact that they are Russians and will not be led into Hollywood history in the future. "
    Yes, a pun in the head of a guy, what does he want to not understand — seem Russian in Germany or German in Russia? Why did you go then, since everything is alien there? And in common people, the concept of Rimbaud is the pinnacle of the feat, just as we say, Schumacher - meaning hell.
    1. +3
      April 4 2016 11: 04
      We do not know how the author ended up in Germany, there can be many reasons, he is German by nationality. But Russia does not let him go, he is a Russian German. Sooner or later, he will return to Russia, or his children.
  23. +6
    April 4 2016 10: 53
    what A sensible suggestion for site administrators and designers is to either remove all ranks, pluses / minuses, or allow forcibly to prohibit the rating of comments in some articles, leave only the article's rating as an indicator of the work of a journalist / writer / layman.
    The "like" system turns some into fans in a title / anti-title competition.
  24. +7
    April 4 2016 10: 56
    As they say, the feelings are "mixed". Comrade "Boa constrictor", "plus" here, I want to believe, are not indifferent people. Often only by the will of fate who fell into the "sofa troops", since in the 90s heroes were not needed. However, on occasion, they will stand at the recruiting office.
    I thought about it yesterday. We need HEROES, sorry for the cynicism. Any, sorry, heroes. War, labor ... Those who save people from the hole. Since, on TV, there is one (obscene) with guns, thieves and cops, it's sickening to watch. Children grow up on this dirty trick. One generation has already grown up on the awareness of the insignificance of Russia. WE NEED HEROES so that nasty comics don't become our literature. Therefore, the GDP began to present awards in public. It is right. It is not right that people are dying. But it is CORRECT that they are extolled. Let the "plus sign" in the internet.
  25. +5
    April 4 2016 10: 56
    Each commentator of this act must decide for himself the question: what would I do in his place?
    And did he have another way out?
    Surrender and convert to Islam to save his life?
    For a Christian, this is unacceptable.
    Therefore, this act can be considered as a martyr sacrifice in the name of I. Christ.
    The godless cannot understand this ...
  26. +1
    April 4 2016 10: 57
    In my opinion, with such messages or as you call it, you need to introduce a ban on voting!


    It's time to do it. But silence will not work, and it’s not true, I think. Each person lives with emotions and thoughts that he needs to share with others, that’s how he works. The overwhelming majority of commentators sincerely condole over the death of Alexander, and they express it as they know how, because of their nature, upbringing, education. In order for their messages to be more appropriate for the event, society needs to deal with these three categories ....
  27. +7
    April 4 2016 10: 59
    No anger, no annoyance, there is a ruthless and often unprincipled informational and ideological war, and it must be waged professionally with a cold head and a warm heart. The Russian officer was not kneeling in front of the scum, but more recently, 9 American Marines were standing, and even crying. That’s why it’s not a fictional American Rambo, but a real Russian hero.
  28. +7
    April 4 2016 11: 00
    Go on .... Anglo-Saxons and euvrotpeysy!
    They wanted a movie !!! DB !!!
    We were the first to fly into space, we came up with anesthesia, you will never learn our language and you will not break our will!
    You will not survive after we passed! You will choke on your negativity.
    We're not giving up, dumbass.
    Our women are the most beautiful, and the men are real!
    And no one will break us!
    1. +1
      April 4 2016 12: 55
      Quote: Mihalich17
      They wanted a movie !!!

      actually, nobody wanted anything. It was a joke at the level of a kitchen chatter. What did you suffer?
  29. +2
    April 4 2016 11: 01
    "I came home from work, looked in the mirror and somehow felt uncomfortable. Then I gathered my three idiots and told them the same thing as a German! About Alexander's feat. In the hope that they will remember this story and be proud the fact that they are Russians and will not lead to Hollywood history in the future. Well, I arranged a screening of the film "They Fought for the Motherland." On a voluntary-compulsory basis! Maybe we all need to do this? To revive and multiply the memory! body movement "from the layman ... what if?"

    Wow, Boa constrictor 19. I completely agree, I have been doing this for three myself.
  30. +3
    April 4 2016 11: 03
    I agree with the author. Therefore, I never write comments on articles about the deaths of our children - you can’t help them with words anymore, the grief of my parents and relatives is understandable, so it’s better to keep silent tactfully, and put a candle for those who believe.
    And the film will be shot ... only not about Rimbaud, but about the heroic war of the USA in Syria. And this feat will be only an episode in the hour and a half praise of the US Army. Or who has already forgotten dozens of films about the USA in Afghanistan?
  31. +9
    April 4 2016 11: 03
    Any officer, and even more so an officer of specialists, scouts, is, first of all, the Head, this is the ability to think and make decisions in any extreme situation. They are taught this (us), this is facilitated by the whole atmosphere of work, their whole life — they work autonomously on the territory of the enemy, rely only on themselves, their training, their potential. There is even a commandment, shot at work-99% - you are not a tenant (does not apply to group ambushes, sabotage, etc.) And Rimbaud is a character who is stupidly watering from a gun and trying to cut through a knife blade.
    And further. On this occasion, one commentator was indignant at why they had not pulled out, where are the rescuers, etc. This is precisely the whole point of the Officer's work, namely his decision, which we already call Heroism. Based on the current situation, the rescue operation would bring new losses in people and equipment, the barmalei are not fools, they understand that turntables, rescuers will fly in and were ready to meet them. I think this influenced the adoption of such a decision, not to evacuate, but fire on themselves. The officer completed the combat mission and at the cost of his life saved the lives of those who could be sent to pull him out.
    It is not necessary to watch Rimbaud, but to the "Star" and the like, and to educate young people on them.
  32. +2
    April 4 2016 11: 04
    It seems that the person wrote everything correctly. And about out of place pompous comments, such as "revenge" and other falsity, only one clings a little. And why did you forget there, in a cozy non-village, comrade. boa? How did it end up there, so all patriotic. Probably hard - a round nemchura, who does not completely understand the Russian soul, there is no one to talk to. But you endure, you endure, because a cozy little house, a work-wheelbarrow hang with a heavy load and do not allow you to return to your homeland. Well, with whom it does not happen, I sympathize. You must bear it further. And we are somehow here ourselves.
    But thanks for the article, it did.
  33. -1
    April 4 2016 11: 07
    I didn’t see anything like that in the words of a German — they told him — he was inspired — The first thought could have been — It would be nice to make a movie about the hero — in principle, the verbal impulse is correct — at the level of a common man in the street. I don’t see the point in the author’s hysteria. The second thing about Rimbaud is that the American hero is not the one who took Okinawa, no, but the Rambo who is in the movie. They consider him a Hero. Alexander, in the concept of bobbin consciousness, is a Hero and their hero is one, Rambo, here they are Ours And they call Rambo because according to their slow-witted concept, the word hero re-transformed into -Rembo. There is nothing criminal here. Our hero is Zaitsev, they have Rambo ...
  34. +4
    April 4 2016 11: 07
    The article is about nothing. It’s boring for a German to live there, 100 varieties of sausage and German beer are no longer pleasing, so he finds an outlet in “remote patriotism”. Why did you leave? Children must be brought up by their own example, otherwise they will not understand you.
  35. +8
    April 4 2016 11: 09
    And here is a discussion of the author’s place of residence? Many of us left in the nineties. In the same Germany under the repatriation program (or something else there). And people from absolutely different countries are sitting on the forum. Where a person lives is his own business. The author of the article is OUR. Unlike many of those who live in Russia, they are not going to leave, but at the same time they are pouring mud on it and do not feel OUR. His opinion did not want to offend any of the members of the forum. hi
    Not everything can be agreed with the author, but the article is written in sharp language. If the author is going to continue to write us good articles, I think we will only be happy. hi
  36. +3
    April 4 2016 11: 10
    Just by the way, Rambo is not a movie character, but a book character. The book is called "First Blood" and it was published in 1972 under the affirmation of David Morrell, and, as usual, the film departs from it a lot. hi
    1. +1
      April 4 2016 13: 00
      Quote: Landwarrior
      Just by the way, Rambo is not a movie character, but a book character. The book is called "First Blood" and it was published in 1972 under the affirmation of David Morrell, and, as usual, the film departs from it a lot. hi

      In this episode, there was also a "Predator" booklet! and also - the film differs from the book decently; in the book, for example, a predator with super blades and a laser cannon was caught by Indian hunters armed with bows and arrows ...
  37. +7
    April 4 2016 11: 12
    Well, they’ll take off ... so what? They do not have their own heroes and will not, therefore, all kinds of captains-America and others are sucked. A nation brought up on comics will never have examples of mass heroism. But loners do not achieve victories.
    What do we have? And here, in this regard, everything is much better, we do not need comics. A nation that has more than one siege of cities in the history of the enemy, a nation that remembers Kulikovo field and Lake Peipsi, burnt Moscow and the siege of Leningrad, does not need painted superheroes. We have enough of our own. And there will be more ... because we are different. It's just important to keep that in mind.
  38. +7
    April 4 2016 11: 12
    Boa 19, go to classmates, there you generally have your hair stand on end sad the last words have already been invented, or pulled out probably from films and I don’t think that it’s the work of the West, unfortunately in our time, we are ready to easily speculate even on Heroic death and push the principles under the bed, not to mention conscience
  39. +4
    April 4 2016 11: 13
    Dear Boa constrictor 19 from Germany! Continue to restrain yourself in tolerance in communication with the indigenous people. To humiliate our officer by comparison with Rimbaud is certainly not the case, but otherwise ... we will figure out how to express support for the family and memory of the deceased officer.
    And the question as to the "former": And Tataria is where?
    1. 0
      April 5 2016 13: 18
      You yourself?! Have you already figured out something? Yes, for you and for us it has long been decided who will become the president or stupidly the head of the administration, everything has long been shared by bandits from the government, all political chatter is a complete formalism. The authorities themselves will decide what and how to do without your participation; no one will ask you. So sit on the pope evenly. As soon as you slightly raise the head, then it is immediately cut off. They will tell you to dance and dance will not go anywhere. You yourself decide!? ... You do not decide anything yourself, if only in your kitchen or bedroom ...
  40. +6
    April 4 2016 11: 19
    Dear, everyone decides to write, put a plus sign, just remember having drunk 100, someone boils anger, then we both express people and feelings in our own way. And I would personally fill the face of a German without a doubt
  41. Old
    +3
    April 4 2016 11: 20
    "From the heroes of bygone times there are sometimes no names left .... but their high valor settled in the hearts of the living ..." I once heard this song from the movie "Officers" in a completely different way. It is such feats that make Russians invincible. And I do not care about the West, about their reasoning and assessments. Another gnaws at me. Why does someone give their lives for their homeland. And someone sells this homeland? How in our country they allow all sorts of Chubais, Vasilievs, Stooltins, etc. to fatten?! And what is really behind all these words of the President about love for the Fatherland?
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  43. +3
    April 4 2016 11: 21
    You should not focus so much on how unusual the perception by Europeans of a military feat seems to you. They are just different. Absolutely. And to them Our understanding is absolutely incomprehensible. And even more incomprehensible is the universal grief of the author. Already he should have understood this for a long time. How could he now be a European too.))
  44. +1
    April 4 2016 11: 27
    In the west, they compared Alexander to something understandable for their worldview. I don’t know, I didn’t react so violently to "RUSSIAN REMBO" since it is clear that their society is different, consumer ... therefore, the comparison with the image of a movie hero. Well, with whom should they compare so that everyone immediately understands the degree of Alexander's heroism? With McCain in Vietnamese captivity or what?
    One must be calmer, adjusted for Western culture and society.
  45. +2
    April 4 2016 11: 28
    The author expressed his vision of what happened on emotions. It is clear that such heroic acts with the death of a young guy in peace in a foreign land cause a sincere sadness. Just do not evaluate our pluses as points. So we express our solidarity with this or that post. I will say more, many at this moment are not just crying, roaring from empathy and expressing themselves with the words they can. Do not judge anyone, do not. The article is correct. Condemnation of forum users is superfluous, but these are emotions of empathy and this is understandable.
  46. +9
    April 4 2016 11: 42
    I wrote everything well, on the case, with sense and sense. From the "Former".
    Excuse me, but what the hell is he telling me this from Germany?
    Old Russian proverb - where he was born there and came in handy. At a distance we are all patriots, but if you are so worried about the memory of your children and what remains in it, shouldn't they have been brought up at home?

    I just don't get it.

    I wanted to continue with the topic that I myself could have had such thoughts, and the like, but I won’t.
    1. +2
      April 5 2016 03: 01
      I agree --- There is a certain lordship of this German, like: "I will teach you how to love your Motherland correctly. From here I know better"
      Although, in principle, --- he may be angry with himself that he is there, and we are --- here.
  47. +3
    April 4 2016 11: 42
    Quote: Pravdarm
    What side is rambo here?

    we are brought up on the exploits of real heroes, I will not list many of them, the Americans have a different perception, they have everything in their brains, they are brought up on the exploits of Rimbaud - he is a hero, and he’s better and cooler than a hero, and comparing A Prokhorenko with Rimbaud, perhaps in their concept it is a compliment, in general, what should I take from them wretched - except for analyzes?
  48. vv3
    +1
    April 4 2016 11: 46
    It is necessary to comment on the article. Now about a different reaction. For 3 months on the forum I have been trying in various ways to tell what modern war is and how it is waged from my point of view. Not global, but local, as in Syria. I even wanted to write an article on this topic. I use the words information support, information field. and I look at the reaction. Nothing, basically not understanding and dismissing my thoughts as from an annoying fly. It seems that everything is clear why he talks about it. But it seems to me that it’s not normal. Well, I don’t like it when people die , especially because of the inability to conduct modern hostilities, because of the flaw and, most importantly, the acuteness of the invisible issue! Everything is clear to everyone and we have it and we can, and he claims (annoying author) that it is not clear that we do not have this and we do not know how. Moreover, the acuteness of the question is such that it can be compared with the year 41 ... And then the spotter died, the hero died ... And I was thrown off. In the comments to the article "Russian Thunder" I allowed myself, without looking back, to express my opinion about the inability of our army to wage war in modern conditions y using modern information technologies. Many took this as a kind of libel, a kind of "quirk" against the most sacred, the Russian Army. Moreover, I am on family leave in Ukraine and they changed my flag, and suddenly I became hiding. "And how can he talk about ours. Army ?! "... They threw me 100 minuses, as expected. Who thinks, who thinks, read it. Too many YELLOW on the forum and they earn" + "in cheap ways from the same people. I will persuade and continue this topic on the forum. For what? So that there is no misunderstanding that not everything is good and that we need to work ... So that such Heroes die less ...
    1. +1
      April 4 2016 12: 02
      Quote: vv3
      They threw me 100 minuses, as expected. Who thinks, who thinks, read it. Too many SCREAM on the forum and they earn "+" in cheap ways from the same urge. I will persuade and continue this topic on the forum. For what? So that there is no misunderstanding that not everything is good and you need to work ... So that such Heroes die less

      Valeri.
      Do not pay attention to it.
      This forum lacks enough people with complexes.
      They could not be realized in life.
      If your opinion does not coincide with theirs, they stupidly open your comments and minus everything. And then they discuss whether they "drove into the skull" or not.
      But also there are enough worthy people with whom it is possible to argue culturally, even if the views are polar.
      Have a good day. hi
    2. cap
      +2
      April 4 2016 12: 34
      Quote: vv3
      Now about a different reaction. For 3 months now, I have been trying on the forum in various ways to tell what a modern war is and how it is being waged from my point of view. There is not global, but local, as in Syria. I even wanted to write an article on this topic. I use the words information support, information field and look at the reaction.


      Here write an article to read and discuss.
      Talking on military topics is more interesting with a knowledgeable person.
      Will write an article indicate, preferably the position and title. Maybe university.
      Better of course the military.
      I look forward to. When again to Russia?
  49. cap
    +4
    April 4 2016 11: 53
    There is such a thing - a minute of silence! So let's in such moments or moments - be silent !! And do not make money on it!
    So we honored as best we could.
    I will say in rhyme
    But the site is not the propaganda department of the CPSU Central Committee!
    Ideology is a missing concept in the Constitution of the Russian Federation!
    Maybe we reflect on this when talking about our children, grandchildren and their upbringing.
    Which we bring up in Russia and not in Germany!
    Thank you for reminding us where we live. hi
    Others will say this. I have everything.
  50. +6
    April 4 2016 11: 55
    When I heard about the feat of Alexander Prokhorenko, my whole body trembled.
    This act reminded me who We, Russians, are in the modern world, despite all the liberal propaganda that has been going on for 20 years.
    The act shook off some kind of obsession from me and made it possible to feel like a Man.

    The phrase surfaced in our souls - We are Russians and we have a core and always was 200 years ago and 100 years ago and now no matter what, we did not lose it.

    Well, as for their films ... I think it’s not worth it to react so sharply.
    I agree, it went vulgar - but this is their vulgarity and their infamy. This act, of our officer, makes them act infamously - and this, in a way, is also our victory over them.

    Well, in the village, the author would like to say that We Russians, men, are brought up in this reality and live, we absorb it with mother’s milk, in the yards, in communication, and they see this reality only in the movies and all kinds of shows there. And I'm proud of it.
    Such actions, such education, beyond their understanding, they have European values.
  51. +2
    April 4 2016 11: 57
    Author, return to your homeland. What have you forgotten there, in this country of p*ssers and ISIS members?
  52. +4
    April 4 2016 11: 58
    There is such a thing - a minute of silence! So let's in such moments or moments - be silent !! And do not make money on it!

    Russia is already silent...Enough of keeping silent! Modesty is a good thing, but not in this situation....Russian Rambo..? ugh damn it...RUSSIAN SOLDIER - This is how it should sound and we need to talk about it
  53. +4
    April 4 2016 12: 04
    In general, I absolutely agree with the author. I could give it three +.
    Well, in particular, only one thing struck a chord:

    "You will be avenged! (Who will take revenge? Who wrote it?)"

    Yes, I personally will not be able to help in this matter. I'm too old to run in the mountains. But I still believe that we have someone to take revenge on. And this question will not rust behind them.
    And as an example, let me remind you about the blown-up bus with officers of the Turkish General Staff, in which 22 Turkish fighter pilots (out of a hundred available!) also died. Among them was that piece of shit who shot down our bomber.
    The death of our pilot is a huge disaster. But since this has happened, we must take revenge this way: for one of our 22 enemies. And more is possible. So that the Ottomans, who had forgotten the lessons of history, would remember the genetic fear that previously caused them the wrath of the Russian bear.
  54. +3
    April 4 2016 12: 11
    Plus I couldn’t put it, there weren’t enough comments. Yes, and it’s not a plus. Thanks to the author. And thanks to VO for publishing it.
  55. +2
    April 4 2016 12: 21
    I would like a “head like that of this Russian German.” I remembered: “about the scribe of the Anglo-Saxons, if Germany and Russia unite.”
  56. +2
    April 4 2016 12: 27
    Evil thoughts. Opinion of Russian German
    Now listen to the thoughts of the evil Russian Russian: if you want to somehow help Russia, sitting in Nemchuria (this is the answer to Tataria) - write similar articles for the Germans, let them read and find out that there is another reality, different from what Westerners present MASS MEDIA. Otherwise, afftar, you will be no different from a simple empty nester, who, as you yourself mentioned, collects “pluses”.
    1. +1
      April 5 2016 00: 42
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      sitting in Nemchuria (this is the answer to Tataria) - write similar articles for the Germans, let them read and find out that there is another reality

      Yes, the soldiers of the invisible front are already working in this direction.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px9b2kAAcAE
    2. +1
      April 5 2016 13: 27
      The Russian German has sound thoughts... Please remove the drool and mucus on the navel... envy silently...
  57. 0
    April 4 2016 12: 37
    T.S. but you blamed it on the German woman, even though you write that you’re a former military man. So come on... he’s angry... Your children will normally watch and listen to Hollywood bubblegum and scream about a scary drunken bear with a balalaika...
  58. +4
    April 4 2016 12: 40
    I support the author. The real ones are ours - wherever they are - they are ours.
  59. +2
    April 4 2016 12: 46
    Dear Boa constrictor! After all, that’s what we were taught, to act like Simonov in “The Artilleryman’s Son”: “The Germans are around me. Strike four to ten! Don’t spare fire!” The deadly meaning of these coordinates makes my skin shiver. And Alexander did his act without any doubt that he had another choice. Although probably hoping for Lyonka’s fate.
    But could I do that?... When I first looked at my newborn son, my first thought was: “But now you can’t die.”
  60. +2
    April 4 2016 12: 46
    But we need to make a film, our real good film, and not just another action movie, so that our youth can watch and know the truth and the heroes of their homeland. As they once taught us, so we must teach our children.
    I completely agree with the author, thank him for his opinion.
    1. +2
      April 4 2016 13: 11
      Have we had a lot of films about war in the last 20 years?
      Crafts by Bondarchuk, Mikhalkov, Bekmambetov? or A bunch of shitty TV series with a “hint” of historicity.
      I'm afraid that they will allocate so much money that it will turn out to be pink vomit like "We are from the future" or shitty "Bastards"
  61. +2
    April 4 2016 12: 46
    Everlasting memory!
    I don’t find any crime in such expressions. Formalism? Poems do not work out well for everyone, and poetry can be written formally, rejoicing more in the beauty of the style than experiencing a tragedy. It all depends on the feelings of the one who writes: if there are no emotions, but a person uses formulas like “we mourn together with family and friends” for the sake of decency, you can’t find fault here either, because not everyone is given sensitivity, responsiveness, the ability to experience someone else’s pain as their own. In addition, you won’t understand in absentia what the author of the short comment “We grieve!” is going through. Let’s take the most “criminal” case from the author’s point of view: someone formally expresses grief, wanting to get a “plus” for it. This behavior makes me not angry, but pity for the writer: how can a person lack approval, respect from others, support in life, so that he would be pleased with these pluses. For me, the most unpleasant reaction to the tragic death of people is someone’s desire to get real political or other dividends from it, and not symbolic pluses with asterisks.
  62. +2
    April 4 2016 13: 07
    The guy is a hero.

    The gunner does not act alone. He should have been covered by special forces, at least Syrian ones.
  63. +2
    April 4 2016 13: 11
    I agree with the author, except for one thing - in his postscript. "Everlasting memory". This is what the deceased hero (and all the deceased) really need. Prayer for him. Without this, even watching the film “They Fought for the Motherland” makes no more sense than giving each other pluses.
  64. +2
    April 4 2016 13: 53
    There is such a thing - a minute of silence! So let's in such moments or moments - be silent !! And do not make money on it!
    Absolutely into the soul gemahan! and in general, a lot of people on the forum became “ow!!” fool
  65. +1
    April 4 2016 14: 10
    Well, what if we are against Western fakes, they will still ban it. We need to tell and show this to our youth. I studied at a school where the teachers were front-line soldiers. The school director is an Odessa partisan, a history and social studies teacher and a tanker in the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps. He was wounded, or rather burned in a tank, and lost his sight. A chemistry teacher and then a laboratory assistant, an aviation colonel went through the entire war. As pioneers, we visited front-line soldiers. Yes, front-line soldiers lived next to us. They didn’t say anything like that, but something like that was passed on from them, I can’t explain. And the fact that the Russian guy called fire on himself happened more than once during different periods of war. Apparently the guy inherited the spirit of his ancestors and at a fateful moment acted like them. Russians don’t give up. Russians don’t abandon their own. Perish yourself, but help your comrade. This is our military secret, which my grandson has known since he was four years old. I hope that he will pass it on to his children and grandchildren. This is the key to our memory.
  66. +3
    April 4 2016 14: 20
    Alexander Prokhorenko... And how many of these “Alexandrov Prokhorenkos” were there among the Pskov paratroopers in Chechnya?... Does anyone now remember the name of the policeman who did not allow the terrorist to enter the train station in Volgograd?

    It is not important to remember NOW - it is important NOT to FORGET after a while.
  67. +2
    April 4 2016 14: 29
    This feat should receive a worthy assessment from our citizens.
    Every school and other educational institutions should have a visual campaign about the feat of Alexander Prokhorenko.
    The Russian media must highlight this feat in front of young people and the public masses.
  68. +2
    April 4 2016 14: 33
    Everyone expresses their emotions due to their development. Therefore, I would also not become so nervous and immediately judge. Well, this is their image of a hero, there is no other. I understand that he is extremely formulaic, cardboard, stupid and American-patriotic to the point of pain in his tonsils. It was done at the same level as the average American citizen, who has a very poor understanding of what war and suffering are. Well, what do we care about them? We do not sell our heroes and will not exchange them for any Rambo.
  69. +2
    April 4 2016 14: 38
    I agree with the author: not every action becomes a feat. You need to be prepared for such an act as Alexander did, to decide on it. This means that not everything is as bad with the education of our youth as is sometimes presented to us. By the way, I noticed: many resources and sites talked about the feat of our officer. It is on such examples that future defenders of the Motherland must be educated.
  70. +2
    April 4 2016 15: 09
    My graduate also forces me to watch our films, including those about the war. But she motivates this by the fact that she doesn’t want her children to move away from her, she wants to stay “on the same wavelength” with them, have the same basic values. She doesn’t just sit them in front of the “box” and force them to watch, but she goes into the kitchen... Only literate parents are the hope of our nation. But there are very few of them now - they work, work, work, and then rest. And they don’t care about their children.
  71. +3
    April 4 2016 15: 27
    But what infuriated me was his thought! Towards the end of the conversation, he said, as if jokingly, that it would be nice to make a film on this topic.

    Yes, let them continue to live in their pampered virtual reality, but we can’t get away from real reality. What if we really adapt to new living conditions and they die out.
  72. Rif
    +2
    April 4 2016 15: 37
    Why do you think that films about this feat will only be made in Hollywood, while in Russia the directors have moved away, or are they all liberals? After all, in the USSR they made excellent films about heroes, “It Was in Intelligence,” “The Young Guard,” even the liberals made films, for example, “We Call Fire on Ourselves,” “The Disappeared.”
  73. +2
    April 4 2016 15: 46
    Personally, I would compare not with the “Russian hero,” but let’s say with Alexander Matrosov, even if he is a fictional hero, as they are now trying to impose on us. In war, from a moral point of view, everything is simpler and at the same time more complex and deeper. Imagine in the first battle, a soldier went on the attack for the first time and died immediately, without killing anyone in his entire life. Is his death senseless, perhaps he overshadowed a friend who rose later and ultimately reached Berlin, in my opinion he fulfilled his military duty immediately and to the end.
  74. +2
    April 4 2016 16: 18
    There is a war of ideologies!!! And everyone judges an action based on how prepared they are for it from childhood. There is no need to teach Russians about heroism and attitude towards heroes, our people have endured too many wars and the value of the lives of their loved ones, we don’t know from Hollywood movies. The topic is of course a sensitive one and everyone has their own opinion on it, so you shouldn’t judge it for its pros or cons.
  75. +2
    April 4 2016 16: 21
    It's like that. And films about our guys should be made by our guys, honest and principled. But where are they in ours? movie! And people like Alexander and those about whom we may never know are worthy of this. It's time to put Hollywood and its chimeras in their place, just like our guys do in life.
    And Boa constrictor - no, you are German, because you are in Germany. Russian German - I, living on Russian soil, on the banks of the Neva.
    And your half-forgotten Russianness gives you no peace, I think. It is difficult to drive a Russian out of oneself, although our bosom friends tried and tried a lot.
  76. 0
    April 4 2016 16: 27
    I would have liked it better if the story with Alexander had gone down two different paths:
    - he would give up and be exchanged.
    - they would not have allowed him to be surrounded and make such a decision.
    Russia needs such people alive, and not “Russians living in Germany”; I would easily exchange the life of one Alexander for 10 such “Russians”.

    It will not be good if the detail “caused fire on himself” turns out to be an invention of some official propagandist who now proudly thinks of himself - “what a fine fellow I am!” For me, it doesn’t matter whether I caused the fire on myself or not - it’s a feat in any case. But it would be better if he were alive...

    Feats are accomplished by everyone...the same Gordon and Shugart demanded to land themselves next to the downed helicopter and also went to obvious death.

    I would like such situations to not arise in the future, so that those responsible who allowed this to happen will be punished. This is more important than discussing “exactly how we will grieve, drink beer or vodka, eat fish or cucumbers, sing songs or read crap on the internet.”
  77. +1
    April 4 2016 16: 49
    “I organized a screening of the film “They Fought for the Motherland.” On a voluntary-compulsory basis! Maybe we should all do this? To revive and increase the memory!”
    That's right, it depends on fathers who their children will grow up to be: people or creatures or just crumbs. If the father is a fascist, then the children will be raised in that spirit.
  78. +2
    April 4 2016 16: 55
    I would like to know why it happened that Alexander caused the fire on himself?
  79. +1
    April 4 2016 17: 01
    A film about Russian heroes should be made by Russians. Film in such a way that you don’t want to watch about rambiks later.
  80. +1
    April 4 2016 17: 07
    And why did the site’s editors so demonstratively dissociate themselves?
  81. cap
    0
    April 4 2016 17: 09
    But I’ll go to bed and take a nap. + to everyone. Russia is not just a country. An era!!!
  82. +1
    April 4 2016 19: 07
    The question is still in my head... have ours really fucked up on it? Well, he called fire on himself, but someone had to give the command for this and some of our pilots had to bomb himself.
    And the second question...what if not a single barmaley died, but only Alexander died?
    Philosophical questions.
    By the way, am I doing the wrong thing by asking such questions?
    1. 0
      April 4 2016 19: 55
      Quote: casparcaspar
      Well, he called fire on himself, but someone had to give the command for this and some of our pilots had to bomb himself.

      The coordinates of the target are transmitted, and then either confirmation of destruction or adjustment. No one may know where the spotter is at this moment. This is in short...
      1. 0
        April 4 2016 20: 32
        Let me add: I completely agree that
        It seems that many are trying to earn dividends from this! Really!


        Of course, I would like to somehow express my grief, but what can you write here when your soul is miserable, and all the words seem somehow empty...

        P.S. From observations: you look - a person writes very actively, within a few months he receives the shoulder straps of a marshal, and either disappears or the number of comments sharply decreases. Maybe it seemed...
  83. +3
    April 4 2016 20: 11
    In my opinion, with such messages or how to call it, you need to introduce a ban on voting! Excuse me for the sharpness of judgment! Himself from the former, visited, seen, has something to tell. Maybe that's why I think so.

    There is such a thing - a minute of silence! So let's in such moments or moments - be silent !! And do not make money on it!

    Support.
  84. 0
    April 4 2016 20: 48
    Quote: region58
    Quote: casparcaspar
    Well, he called fire on himself, but someone had to give the command for this and some of our pilots had to bomb himself.

    The coordinates of the target are transmitted, and then either confirmation of destruction or adjustment. No one may know where the spotter is at this moment. This is in short...
    - i.e. Are you saying that he simply silently conveyed his coordinates?
    What does the situation look like then - they discovered the place of his death, found out that he died from an aerial bomb, compared the data... In this case, Alexander could have made a mistake in the coordinates.
    Is there a more detailed description - how did this happen?

    During Desert Storm, English air controllers rebooted the data transmission system. And the bomb received their coordinates as the target coordinates. They died.
    In general, I want to understand the details.
    1. 0
      April 4 2016 23: 18
      Quote: casparcaspar
      During Desert Storm, English air controllers rebooted the data transmission system.

      Was this reported to you directly from SIS? I'm glad you have such connections. Or is it something else - about the English, you took their word for it (gentlemen, they are in a swing), but here - I don’t believe it and that’s all?
      The article is just about this - someone wants to honor the memory, and someone is looking for their own benefit.
  85. +2
    April 4 2016 20: 49
    I would agree with the author about Rambo... but THIS completely overturns all the author’s speculations. All!
    Absolutely! No amount of Rambo will fool our people! Because behind every resident of our country, including me, are our fallen grandfathers, fathers, and so on. You hear - BEHIND EVERYONE! Here is the answer to this topic for you all - a photo of the Immortal Regiment parade.
    That is enough.
    1. +2
      April 4 2016 21: 18
      Did he really talk about Rambaud? did you read the post "finally"? or just read a few replies? Stupid and stupid.
    2. +1
      April 7 2016 11: 46
      Here, for now, yes, but, let’s say in Ukraine, some schoolchildren write in all seriousness that the Russians did nothing and only the Americans, having landed in Normandy, drove the Germans all the way to Berlin. If this became possible there, then why not here?
  86. +2
    April 4 2016 22: 19
    How much you don’t want to leave your children orphans, it’s even worse to lose children, but how you want to raise them correctly! And no Rambo, but our guys like Alexander will be an example for mine!
  87. +1
    April 4 2016 22: 56
    The first time I read, “Russian Rambo,” I was completely warped. They don’t have any people, so they compare them to some movie hero. And some of our media: look, the West has already become imbued with it, wow, what a “Russian Rambo” you are, that’s it! Wow, we got approval, that's who we are! And they reprint it, jackals, with pride.
  88. +3
    April 4 2016 23: 22
    Whether it’s bad or good... but the British, who for centuries have loved to describe the exploits of their national heroes, their British spirit of a white man, have to describe the feat of a Russian young officer, even if they call him Rambo, and not at all in honor of the French poet, but in honor Hollywood fiction... in the sense of Superman, no less.
    Well, look around, is there anyone among your acquaintances by chance with the nickname “Schwartz”? And after the success of "Seventeen Moments" was there an outbreak of popular nicknames Bormans and Stirlits.... The fame of movie characters lives its own bizarre life, which the creators and actors could not even guess about.
    Another thing is important - the proud Britons would gladly write and promote the feat of one of their soldiers or sailors, but... we have to talk about a Russian officer and his feat. Instilling in his audience respect for the people and their army in which such people serve.
    And this is important, because the meaning of a feat in war is to instill fear in enemies, present and future, and to serve as an example to your soldiers, also present and future.
  89. +1
    April 5 2016 02: 37
    Quote: vovanpain
    There was an impression that many are trying to earn dividends on this! Really! Look at the articles (for analysis) that are not related to this topic - the topic of grief! And read the comments! Now go to the similar - mournful!

    I apologize for answering sharply, but dear author, in articles about Alexander Prokhorenko EVERY USER EXPRESSED HIS SORROW WHO HAS AS MIGHT. And the matter is not in the pluses of the minuses, you do not need to see the negative in everything, otherwise the pictures are glued not the pluses of the minuses .I apologize again, but the comments are also on emotions, and they are a respected bad adviser. hiPs But I completely support the ban on pluses and minuses in such articles.

    For me, the words in the comments about memory mean that those who wrote are standing nearby and are in solidarity in their respect, their admiration. They share the pain. You just need to stand nearby.
    In December, my grandmother died, there was a suitable article and I wrote a few words about it in the comments, I needed to say it and asked not to rate it. But someone still gave it 4+. At first I was offended, and then I thought: “They want me support, maybe someone had the same experience."
    Just stand nearby. Minimum words. And don’t try to answer 2 eternal questions --- who is to blame and what to do.

    Also about gratitude for the article. There are articles that not many people have noted. But both the topic and the author suit me --- I’ll write a thank you note. For some reason, people often write to one article, like ---- and the second write about the gun , and not about events. Others, on the contrary --- author, don’t you dare write about guns, only on other topics. There are also less polite pieces of advice. Therefore, if there is gratitude to the author, I’ll write. Here. The authors speak to us respectfully , narrating events, rather than teaching.
  90. +2
    April 5 2016 06: 31
    My fellow countryman is dead! Rest in peace. I offer my condolences to family and friends! No words can replace a person who has passed away!

    From the heroes of the past
    Sometimes there are no names left.
    Those who have taken mortal combat
    They just became ground and grass ...
    Only their terrible valor
    Settled in the hearts of the living.
    This eternal flame bequeathed to us alone
    We store in the chest.
    Look at my fighters -
    The whole world remembers them in the face.
    The battalion in the ranks froze ...
    I recognize old friends again.
    Though they are not twenty-five,
    The hard way they had to go
    These are those who rose in hostility as one,
    Those who took Berlin!
    There is no such family in Russia
    Where not remembered was his hero.
    And the eyes of young soldiers
    From photos of wilted look ...
    This look, like a high court,
    For the guys that are growing now.
    And you can’t lie to the boys,
    neither deceive nor turn aside from the path!

    Sometimes I think, why am I living, for what? He took the oath to the USSR, a reserve officer, but not a regular one, but quite a few jackets replaced officers who had escaped from the army at one time and fought. The country of the USSR has been gone for a long time, the values ​​have simply changed dramatically, everyone needs loot and more loot + all sorts of worldly goods. The country was mired in chaos, debauchery, crime, theft... They wrote about patriots and heroes here. Yes, the modern authorities do not need them. Now, if an order comes from above to celebrate and honor then they, that is, the authorities, will do what is necessary and nothing more. Everything is reduced to formalism. The government throws slogans and does nothing, the president puzzles the officials and at the same time states that nothing has been accomplished and again everything is in a circle. You want real real things, you want to work and really see that your work is beneficial and the country is getting up from its knees. Alas, we will never see this now. And all the statements about the construction of ships and submarines or the launch of a plant, all this is to preserve the life of the oligorchy, so that he continues to rob the country. All we can do here is talk and blow bubbles in the kitchen. And the government knows this very well... So there will be no crime.
  91. 0
    April 5 2016 08: 06
    The Western world will never understand either the meaning or the price of the exploits of Russian soldiers. People in the West have in their blood subservience, expediency if they are under control, and unbridled rudeness, theft and lust for crime if they are allowed or encouraged. This is the main difference between our cultures and our peoples.
    Most recently, the Iranians captured American military personnel and their patrol boat in the Persian Gulf, violating the territorial waters of this country. The American Marines surrendered without a sound. And then they also quietly cried in front of the television cameras from resentment, and maybe from fear that they had violated the border of Iran, and now they would have to answer. Here they are, the vaunted Rambo, ready, as he said in the film: “to give his life for this country!” For what country and what life? Bluff! The USA is a hornet's nest, where everyone is for himself, and the feeling of patriotism lies in the fact that you can spoil others, feeling your impunity. And when does the punishment come? Then snot and tears. And immediately there is talk that Rambo is a comic book, this is Sylvester Stallone from Hollywood.
    There is a Soviet film “Solo Voyage”, where our Major Shatokhin dies in battle at the hands of an American mercenary at the end of the film. He is dying, but he has completed his task, and his death does not mean death, but the beginning of a new life. I would compare the deceased captain Prokhorenko with this Major Shatokhin, brilliantly played by the Russian artist Mikhail Nozhkin.
    And even in Hollywood they make fun of Sly.
  92. +1
    April 5 2016 08: 40
    This is where it hit me! That very “annoyance” was clearly and clearly outlined in my head! Here it is! I I remembered Western figures and how they called a Russian officer! REEEEMBO!! They, these idiots, compare a real hero with a fictional comic book character!! A real feat - with the fantasy of a pimply onanist!! My brain was ready to explode with rage!!\\\\\\\

    Russians, unlike the arrogant Saxons and other Hindus, do not like showing off and boasting; they perform feats not for the sake of money and fame, but to protect the Fatherland.

    The wind tore the blanket of black clouds above the ground
    The thunderstorm rumbled like grenade explosions,
    The plane was thrown in the clouds like a grain of sand,
    While waiting for the signal, I listened to the landing song.

    “A flock of cranes among storms and blizzards
    “I lost my crane,” that song is not about us,
    We'll come home, we'll come back, I know
    Because the special forces do not abandon their own.

    Let's not allow the enemy to destroy the planet,
    We will conduct a devastating raid on the rear,
    Let's stop other people's rockets at launch,
    We will destroy the headquarters, demolish the ereles.

    PPK will insure our leap into the darkness,
    We don't see land. People, remember us!
    So that thermonuclear horror does not burn the country,
    Special forces go into battle far away.

    The battle is over, the earth is black and crimson,
    We poured it with blood and fire,
    After the battle in the ranks, half of the platoon,
    We will call friends “200” and “300” cargo.

    We keep the world on Earth, sleep peacefully,
    Abroad, we fight
    Let war be unknown to all,
    The world stands while we are alive.

    We’ll never remove the “secret” stamp from our “Cases”,
    And the country will never know about us
    Not for peaceful labors, long life, and fame
    To protect the country, there are special forces.
    ☼1976
  93. 0
    April 5 2016 10: 13
    Why, having “seen it all”, have you left your homeland? You don't have to answer. Where you feel good is where your “homeland” is. Now - Deutschland, Fatherland?..
  94. 0
    April 5 2016 11: 21
    Quote: Evgesh91
    it's hard to disagree. I saw somewhere - it is necessary to replicate not "Russian Rambo", but "Russian Bogatyr" - it sounds much nicer, young people may move away from Western stereotypes.

    You can paraphrase the proverb “And there is only one warrior in the field”
  95. +1
    April 5 2016 11: 21
    The author said everything correctly, I completely agree.
  96. +1
    April 5 2016 12: 50
    RUSSIAN.

    He was young, he could have lived.
    Walk along the next street.
    Loving your wife and raising your children.
    He accepted death so that we could live here.


    Now.
  97. +1
    April 5 2016 13: 12
    Each person has his own opinion. And it makes no sense to “treat” someone to suit your ideals. Let the Germans think as they want. If you go around and collect the opinions of everyone everywhere, you will find nothing but anger. And there is no need to impose our Russian ideals on someone either. We have our own homeland, our own history and our own assessment of the exploits of our people. This is how we differ from the West. You just need to love your country, your people and your heroes. We have always had them and will always have them.
  98. +1
    April 5 2016 14: 12
    no matter what happens to us, we generally remain the same as our grandfathers. Yes, there are cowards and traitors among us, but there are no fewer heroes. A feat of this level is not isolated, the boys did similar things in both Afghanistan and Chechnya, I’m not even talking about WWII. To some extent, such actions have even become commonplace. And we probably don’t always adequately understand who committed it, what motivated him and what he thought at the last moment.
    In Soviet times, they tried to remember the heroic guys. It may sometimes be intrusive and stereotyped, but we remembered them... and at a difficult moment, this memory helped someone to take an action.
  99. +1
    April 5 2016 17: 11
    Comparison with the mythical Ramba, in fact, a zombie, betrays an inability to understand the essence of heroism and the greatness of the spirit of a real hero, and not the creativity of a Hollywood blockbuster hero.
    Heroism is the performance of functional duties in combat conditions, associated with the possibility of death, in the presence of a high socially significant goal.
    Wars can be just and unjust.
    In this sense, Rambo is not a hero, but a lone rebel, a representative of the military caste, defending the interests of this caste in the face of a society indifferent to the participants in an unjust dirty war, which is condemned. He is not a hero, but a glossy victim of circumstances, a doomed individual who opposes everyone, but does not die.
    Consumer consciousness is not able to accommodate the concept of military heroism. This is what the “Russian German” wanted to say, a man who has preserved Russian self-awareness, but cannot force those around him and even his children to bear this heavy burden.
  100. +1
    April 5 2016 17: 41
    The Germans have the desire, I approve, to bury every soldier. The war is not over until the soldier is mourned and mourned. As a soldier, old, but not a staff member, I will say: Until our father sings the last rites for Sasha in Palmyra, war is inevitable. And I don’t give a fuck about the Yankees, the islanders, as an old man who has been awarded more than once. Up to your knees. They, locked in the states, have no idea how to fight. Slaves cannot impose their concepts. Journalists also need to speak out less, because the men always hold the first battle plan.