This year, the new Black Sea Fleet will include 3 of new ships with Caliber missiles.

In 2016, the Black Sea Fleet will be replenished with three frigates of the 11356 project with Caliber missiles, reports RIA News report of the division commander of the surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet Oleg Krivoruk.

“In 2016, the Black Sea Fleet will be replenished with three new ships with Caliber missiles. These are the patrol ships of the 11356 project, ”said Krivoruk.

According to him, “the Admiral Grigorovich ship is now ready for the crossing, the Admiral Essen is being tested and the Admiral Makarov is in high readiness.”

Krivoruk noted that to date, "the completeness of the connection is 100%."

"All new ships are already staffed by servicemen on a contract basis, the crews are trained, we are awaiting the arrival of new combat units,"

he said.

The commander of the compound stressed that "this is a new generation of ships armed with Caliber cruise missiles and capable of delivering effective strikes at both sea and land targets over long distances." They are also equipped with “modern calm and air defense systems such as“ Calm ”,” Krivoruk added.

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[Pvi1206]

After the adoption of these ships in the Black Sea Fleet, the latter will be able to control the entire Black Sea.

[cniza]

Quote: Pvi1206

After the adoption of these ships in the Black Sea Fleet, the latter will be able to control the entire Black Sea.

And not only the Black Sea, but also most of Europe and the entire Middle East.

[WAGNER]

Quote: cniza

And not only the Black Sea, but also most of Europe and the entire Middle East.

Serious ships ... Small and high-speed! And with such formidable weapons.

[Vladimirets]

At 0.32, have the Navy sleeve states already been canceled?

[hrych]

Previously, a couple of the three watchtowers would not have excited anyone, but now there are three formidable ships capable of reaching the enemy thousands of kilometers away and even capable of burning megacities. Our great engineers ...

[ver_]

... God, my God - this caliber could be on the most trashy barge or tug ...

[gergi]

This is very timely. God loves Russia, except to explain that everything is on time, in time butt. No, I understand, the whole country is working on it, I am also involved. But all the same, there is something mystical. So believe in God is not long.

[igorka357]

Forgive me, of course, but they always believe in God with their hearts and souls, and not when they will!

[Stas157]

Quote: igorka357

Forgive me, of course, but they always believe in God with their hearts and souls, and not when they lock them !.

Life shows quite the opposite. Hence the expression, "there are no atheists on the front line!"

[Roman 11]

Quote: gergi

No, I understand, the whole country is working on it, I am also involved.

You are mistaken, dear - recently we have here arrested the district chief of the cadastre and cartography of the land ...... How many of them were - in 4 years the 3rd acting mayor, two flew for corruption, one of which went to the cutting area, the second governor-karefan smeared off ...... The enemy is not asleep!

[ziama]

From 0.56 to 1.17 about rocket launch, this is not a frigate at all, and certainly not 11356, some kind of small missile boat ..

[severyanin]

Quote: ziama

From 0.56 to 1.17 about rocket launch, this is not a frigate at all, and certainly not 11356, some kind of small missile boat ..

project 1241 "Lightning", apparently

[vodolaz]

I read about these ships, very impressed. And the composition of weapons will allow a lot.

[donavi49]

There 8 UKKS - as on the Black Sea-Caspian MRK 21631.
Well, Calm-1 with a fresh Frigate - China already has 22 ships in the PLA with the same complex (in fact, Calm-1 with VPU and a new rocket were developed using exclusively Chinese money).
Cannon, TA - standard. MZA AK-630 and RBU in the most homeless version of the money (Indians at least MZA AK-630 complement the Israeli complex MD Barack).

But as for a frigate, he is very well armed. The only thing is Frigate radar, when everyone has already switched to a scheme with fixed blades - even the Chinese in 054B.

[drunkram]

Perhaps there is nothing to replace the Frigate radar so far, all kinds of modernization are still ahead, although not soon.

[Corvetkapitan]

You should not engage in cap-making, Turkey has 14 low-noise submarines and this is a serious argument. Three new frigates that the Black Sea Fleet will receive is good, but the Black Sea Fleet needs to continue to be strengthened by multi-purpose frigates and corvettes

[Stas157]

Quote: Corvetkapitan

You should not engage in cap-making, Turkey has 14 low-noise submarines and this is a serious argument.

Which, by the way, are not afraid of Caliber and Bastion!

[Corvetkapitan]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Corvetkapitan

You should not engage in cap-making, Turkey has 14 low-noise submarines and this is a serious argument.

Which, by the way, are not afraid of Caliber and Bastion!

Frigates 11356 can use missile-torpedoes ,, Caliber '' 91P1, or 91RT2, but their use requires a station for detecting and aiming weapons at underwater targets. Frigates 11356 have such systems for detecting and targeting weapons at underwater targets, but MRKs, which supposedly some kind of psycho-official decided to replace the multipurpose frigates of stations for detecting and targeting weapons to underwater targets and do not have a potential enemy in front of submarines.

[SU69]

Quote: Pvi1206

After the adoption of these ships in the Black Sea Fleet, the latter will be able to control the entire Black Sea.

This is all very good.
But then what?
Will they put the boats and that's it?
Where are the ships of rank 1?

[RBLip]

Quote: SU69

Where are the ships of rank 1?

Sorry, but what are the goals of these ships in the Russian Sea?

[WAGNER]

"Calibers", like "Topol", warm the Russian soul ...

[rubidium]

Black Sea Fleet in any way even 11356 come in handy.

[severyanin]

Quote: rubidiy

Black Sea Fleet in any way even 11356 come in handy.

They would be useful to the rest of the fleets no less - the Black Sea Fleet is now the main focus, and the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet are practically with "bare ass" on surface ships, although the tasks have to be solved no less ...

[musorg]

So Gorshkov planned on the Black Sea.

[igorka357]

Yes, the Christmas trees stick, grabbed onto this caliber, it’s not a panacea .. he used to be before, just not tested in combat conditions! Couldn’t it just be possible to write, three missile ships, or three ships with KR! Caliber caliber flashes everywhere, zadolbalo .. I will repeat Iskander Iskander Iskander ....

[WAGNER]

Quote: igorka357

Yes, the Christmas trees stick, grabbed onto this caliber, it’s not a panacea .. he used to be before, just not tested in combat conditions! Couldn’t it just be possible to write, three missile ships, or three ships with KR! Caliber caliber flashes everywhere, zadolbalo .. I will repeat Iskander Iskander Iskander ....

No need to be nervous, there are more serious missiles .. Just keep quiet and do it right!

[hrych]

Quote: igorka357

clung to this caliber, it’s not a panacea .. he used to be there before, just not tested in battle conditions

First, it’s not enough to make a rocket to hit a target for several thousand kilometers, you need a perfect guidance and positioning system, say more accessible, until a global positioning satellite group has been deployed GLONASS there was little sense from the ancestors of Caliber. It was also in the States, the first Tomahawks had great problems with guidance and to solve these problems, and the ZHPS itself was created, which later came in handy for the infantry and aviation, and broke into civilian life. The deployment of GLONASS to the combat level has been completed in recent years, literally, and the corresponding weapons have been tightened. And these technologies also allowed such a formidable weapon, which is simply strategic, to be placed on diesel engines and watchdogs. And the fact that this perfect system seems to have set the teeth on edge, but it really is a breakthrough and changes the alignment on the world arena, especially turns our "locked" Baltic and Black Sea fleets into a formidable force, and the Caspian flotilla from persecutors of poachers has turned into a monster capable of attacking the water area of ​​the Indian Ocean, etc. Therefore, realize the essence of things and you will not react like that. And to consolidate the material, I repeat, this system includes dozens of satellites, and not just the racket itself and the launching ship ...

[Homo]

Quote: igorka357

Yes, the Christmas trees stick, grabbed onto this caliber, it’s not a panacea .. he used to be before, just not tested in combat conditions! Couldn’t it just be possible to write, three missile ships, or three ships with KR! Caliber caliber flashes everywhere, zadolbalo .. I will repeat Iskander Iskander Iskander ....

You can also write - three ships and all. And you can not write anything at all, why should people score brains? Just imagine, Russia is rebuilding its fleet, it is starting to declare itself as a world-class power. Or does it bother you?

[igorka357]

Before asking such questions to a person, ask who you are talking to ... read a couple of my comments! I’m a patriot of my Motherland, and a patriot not a cap .. but looking at things really! Three frigates are good, caliber is good .. but this is not just not enough , this is a miser! We are restoring the fleet, excellent but ... frigates, albeit with such armaments, where is the first rank .. we are launching the backlogs of the once great empire! Believe me, the only thing that caused serious concern among sworn friends was the series of Boreev and Ash-tree, as soon as strategists can obliterate the USA .. our three most frigging enemy will not even pay attention to the descent of three frigates, they have how many counts each, and each with a URO .. so there is no need for enthusiastic urapatriotic shouts! We need a clear systematic work, building up the rapid pace of serious weapons, the development of fundamentally new types! I understand the economy is bursting, there is not enough money, we are selling modern weapons to other countries and we will be driving the t-72bz .. at such times, when yes, everything is against us, you need to think about only one thing ... I am proud of my country, proud of my president, this has not happened for a long time .. he at least does something for the country! And remember the USSR and Russia have always been world-class powers .. by definition with such a territory we cannot help but be it + the power of strategic forces, and the spirit of the Russian people!

[serezhasoldatow]

Also really like-solidify!

[guzik007]

this is a real asymmetric response to the fiscal-heavy sea leviathans of enemies. More mosquitoes, small but evil.: =)

[Vsevolod136]

Good tidings.
The more powerful the Russian fleet on the Black Sea, the more the NATO chantrap will draw its tail.

[Vsevolod136]

Good tidings.
The more powerful the Russian fleet on the Black Sea, the more the NATO chantrap will draw its tail.

[Ramzes33]

Great news. The military power of Russia is rapidly, inexpensively increasing in the south (and indeed the west) direction.

[SIT]

Hooray! Raise the glasses for the ADMIRALS!

[severyanin]

Quote: SIT

Hooray! Raise the glasses for the ADMIRALS!

You don’t worry about admirals, for them there is always someone to raise a glass of, and helpfully bring the caviar! Better drink for ordinary sailors - sailors, foremen and officers who do almost all the huge, but necessary work!

[weksha50]

"capable deliver effective strikes both at sea and on land targets over long distances"" ...

This is called - "Hello Turkey" (and in its person - NATO) ...

Say what you like, but three frigates with calibers already make up decent combat power ...

[donavi49]

If according to UKKS = then 3 МРК 21631. And there and there 8 UKKS. 2x8 UKKS only on 22350.

[yahont]

The conversation is about three ships, but what about the MRK "Buyan" as I remember in 2016. Were you going to put one more "brawler" on the Black Sea Fleet?

[Wiruz]

By the way, yes! This year, it seems, another MRK pr.21631 should be launched and transferred to the fleet

[NEXUS]

I would like not three, but about 6, and preferably a dozen of such ships for the Black Sea Fleet ... well, and the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet at least a dozen. And there is also a Mediterranean squadron where these frigates would be useful.

[Dart2027]

Quote: NEXUS

Mediterranean squadron where these frigates oh how useful

I have a suspicion that they will alternate - two in the World Cup, one in the CM, although of course not enough.

[Victor_1]

Previously, it was planned to manufacture up to 20 ships of 11356.
The fourth and fifth ships of 11356 are waiting for the construction of a plant that can manufacture power plants to replace the Ukrainian ones that refused to supply us. And in return they will produce a series of small project 22800 corvettes with 8 caliber missiles, as on 11356.
The length of small corvettes is 65 meters (11356 - 115 m).
They plan to produce from 17 to 30 MK project 22800.

[K-36]

I apologize in advance, but somewhere you overslept a little news about the 4th and 5th frigate of this type. They are going to sell India
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160329/1399214395.html
Best regards .

[Victor_1]

In general, I am in the know. I have not heard that a contract has been signed.
Different options may be considered. Many issues have been discussed with India for many years, including the retrofitting and life cycle support of two previously built triples of Project 11356 ships for India, as well as other projects. From consideration or memorandum of intent to the contract a great distance. For the fourth and fifth ships, all equipment designed for use in Russia was manufactured and delivered to the customer. It remains only to make power plants.
If the Hindus pay the costs (which is unlikely), perhaps it makes sense. But just selling hulls is the same crime as selling large anti-submarine ships in the 90s.
They can, of course, sell the hulls in the expectation that they will simultaneously launch the production of two others to equip the fourth and fifth Russian ones.
As an option - the joint manufacture of a group of ships 11356 for India, including on the basis of already built hulls. On the previous equipment is mainly Russian, but there is also a joint manufacture (Brahmos) or Indian.
Hindus would like to get a few more frigates 11356.

[Alex777]

You must have beguiled with 22350.
6 pcs 11356 was made only for the Black Sea Fleet, in order to quickly, cheaply and angrily patch a hole from 22350 not built.
But quickly, alas, it did not work out. And when they learn to make engines for them, it will be easier to return to topic 22350.

[Victor_1]

You can google it. India ordered the first three 11356 in 1999, manufactured in the Baltic for India in the early 2000s, the second - in the early 2010s in Kaliningrad, and only the first and then the second three (7th-12th ships) ordered this field Russian Navy. Ukraine has set the installation for the first three. When she refused to supply for the second troika, the construction of the 12th (6th Russian) and subsequent ones was canceled.

[Corvetkapitan]

The ships that have been built for India since 1999 had a completely different filling, and in the export version. Ukraine, refusing to supply Russia with already paid engines, shit in its pocket, because Russia, in response to the boorish bandit actions of dill, refused to launch the Ukropsky satellite "Lebed" into orbit ', and the satellite itself is gathering dust in the warehouses of the Russian Federation. The decision about the frigates will not be simple and how it will be not yet clear. Chirkov is fired, and the new commander will make his decision. The armament and fire control system of frigates 22350 have not been brought to mind, and the MRK cannot replace multipurpose frigates, so a return to 11356 is obvious.

[Corvetkapitan]

The head frigate 22350 has not yet been handed over to the fleet, due to the unavailability of fire control systems and weapons. Why build ships, the filling of which was never brought to mind and it is not clear when they will bring it and whether it will be brought at all, or will it be necessary to make changes to the design and install other systems ?! This is some kind of wrecking! First, it was necessary to bring to mind the stuffing of the ship, and then build the ship! It’s easier to buy engines for 11356 in China, even though the weapons and fire control systems are brought to mind and are fully operational.

[severyanin]

Quote: Corvetkapitan

The head frigate 22350 has not yet been transferred to the fleet, due to the unavailability of fire control systems and weapons. Why build ships, the filling of which was never brought to mind and it is not clear when they will bring it and whether it will be brought at all, or will it be necessary to make changes to the design and install other systems ?! This is some kind of wrecking!

Unfortunately, you are absolutely right ... This whole story with "Gorshkov" is very reminiscent of the American epic with the F-35

[Corvetkapitan]

The Turkish fleet has 14 submarines, and RTOs do not have anti-submarine weapons and will not be able to replace multipurpose frigates. Such statements are the result of the appointment to the Ministry of Defense of furniture makers and other rams who do not understand anything about technology.

[Wiruz]

Such statements were intended for that narrow-minded mass of the population, which other ..... prays for Caliber, considering them a universal solution to all issues. "They say, instead of three frigates, we will get eighteen small rocket ships, each with eight Caliber is 144 missiles!" And no one thinks that in the event of a war with Turkey, all these RTOs will be stupidly sunk by submarines

[severyanin]

Quote: Wiruz

And no one thinks that in the event of a war with Turkey, all these RTOs will be stupidly sunk by submarines

And frigates like unsinkable? :)))

[Wiruz]

And frigates like unsinkable? :)))

Type frigates have PLO and PTO weapons

[severyanin]

So what? Does this mean that they cannot be drowned ??? PLO and VET is not a force field! The task is only a little more complicated

[Corvetkapitan]

Frigate 11356 belongs to universal ships and of course it is possible to destroy such a ship, but not an easy task. Let's start with the fact that RTOs have a very weak air defense system, in the form of `` Gibka '' MANPADS, which can intercept an air target with a probability of no more than 40% and has a ridiculously short range. RTOs cannot fight submarines at all, therefore that they do not have search stations for detecting submarines and stations for pointing weapons at them. The bottom line is that 14 Turkish submarines turn the exit to the sea MRK without an anti-submarine ships escort into suicide. Frigates 11356 can stand up for themselves, they have a fairly decent air defense system , which can protect not only the frigates themselves from enemy attacks, but also the city of Sevastopol, if the frigate is in the harbor. Out at sea, the frigate 11356 can attack enemy submarines RBU-6000, torpedo tubes, with homing torpedoes 533 mm and rocket-torpedoes, , Caliber '' type 91P1, or 91PT2. Thus, it is better to have multipurpose ships, frigates and corvettes than MRKs, which require escort of other ships to provide their anti-submarine and anti-aircraft defense. I'm not even talking about the fact that multipurpose frigates and corvettes can be used as escort ships for amphibious assault and transport ships. So personally, I am for the construction of multipurpose frigates and corvettes.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Wiruz

all these RTOs will be stupidly sunk by submarines

And why should they leave the base? RTOs will launch rockets standing at the pier, where no submarines will reach them.

[severyanin]

Quote: Dart2027

And why should they leave the base? RTOs will launch rockets standing at the pier, where no submarines will reach them.

Following your logic, the next question will be: why the hell are we RTOs? let's put rocket launchers ashore
You are more careful with such conclusions - there was already such an activist - N. Khrushchev called him - he cut a half-fleet, he hoped for everything on missiles

[yahont]

As I understood earlier from the press, the installation of "calibers" on ships is one of the ways not to fall under the INF Treaty, concluded between the USA and the USSR in 1987.

[Dart2027]

Quote: severyanin

let's put rocket launchers ashore

Firstly, there is an agreement on limiting INF.
Secondly, the coast is not always the best option, sometimes it’s better to walk along the water.

Quote: severyanin

NS Khrushchev was his name - he cut a half of the fleet, he hoped for everything on missiles

I am aware of this and I have a negative attitude to this "smart guy".
As for the conclusions, it’s one thing - it’s physically impossible to push enough weapons and related systems into the RTOs so that he can independently fight with ships of other classes in direct combat. There is simply no place. They can be used only for strikes with missiles over long distances, or as opponents of the same little things.
And at least corvettes are needed to combat submarines.

[severyanin]

Quote: Dart2027

It’s physically impossible for the MRK to cram enough weapons and related systems so that it can independently fight ships of other classes in direct combat

I agree with you, therefore in the Soviet Navy there was also a subclass of small ships - such as the IPC, sharpened exclusively for fighting submarines! The "remnants of the former luxury" still serve in the fleets, but they have long ago become physically and morally obsolete - this is Project 1124 Albatross. And nowhere even half a word is heard about some kind of replacement. There was only recently on VO a devastating article about the state of the mine-sweeping forces of our fleet ...

[colonel manuch]

Be in charge of the colleague's bazaar! It is not so easy to sink them, even because of the size and the difference in speed, and the "torpedo triangle" and surface watermen are able to count. Their business is to have time to release missiles.

[yahont]

Colleagues should not quarrel According to "Buyan-m", you need to remember for what waters it was created, this is a river-sea class ship, its zone of action is the Caspian Sea and rivers, where there are no enemy submarines in sight. And the fact that two "Buyan-m" was transferred to the Black Sea Fleet, so this is not a good life, unfortunately, but on the other hand, lightning-class missile boats are also present at the Black Sea Fleet.

[yahont]

Project 22800 is the Karakurt MRK analogue of the Buyan-M, the difference in the greater draft of the ship and, as a consequence, the possession of more seaworthiness than the Buyan-M, and there is no information yet that these ships will go to the Black Sea Fleet, in the tab there are two for the Northern Fleet , but for the Black Sea Fleet they laid down a series, while out of 3 ships of the project 22610 (patrol ship) the car is already more serious than the MRK 22800 and 21631, it already has anti-submarine weapons, and a displacement of about 1300-1800 tons, the length is 94 m. , but in terms of range and autonomy of navigation it surpasses the corvette by 20380-2 times. The first of the series is promised to be sent to the Black Sea Fleet in 3. It gives us hope that the ships of this series are being built by the Zelenodolsk Shipyard, (I read it on Wikipedia).

[Dam]

Getting involved in exchange, in a direct arms race, as the USSR used to be, is probably not very logical. So far it turns out to answer asymmetrically, but dashing trouble has begun. Yesterday, 24 showed the new Almaz-Antey factory in Nizhny, impressive. God willing, and shipyards and plants for the release of engines on the way

[demo]

Krivoruk noted that to date, "the completeness of the connection is 100%."

In Kaliningrad, a contract sailor fled from the "Grigorovich", watchdog, originally from Sevastopol.
Found and written off to the reserve.
So not 100%.
The personnel let us down.

[opus]

Quote: Author

This year 3 new ships will be part of the Black Sea Fleet with caliber rockets

pipets of Turkey

and some

[atamankko]

Though slowly, the power of our Fleet is growing and it pleases.

[Kind angry]

Oh cool! keep the yankees ritus! ))))

[Gippo]

Why are you so worried about these "Calibers"? Have you been banned from Google?
These "no analogs" have been used by amers for 20 years, including in Yugoslavia (remember such a country?)

Though slowly, the power of our Fleet is growing and it pleases.

Well, just scratch how slowly ....
When it comes to your BOSKS, we are no better and no worse than everyone else. Gauges-Tomahawks, Minuteman-Poplar, Kuznetsov-Nimitz (oh, it's me in a hurry, yes.)
God forbid that it all works ....

[Spartanez300]

The replenishment of these ships of the Black Sea Fleet inspires additional confidence of Crimeans in the future, and generally excellent ships.

[Wiruz]

and generally great ships.

And here I would argue with you

[kirieeleyson]

It is doubtful that this year "Makarov" will be handed over, it will still be on state tests, or it will be announced under NG, formally.
Butakov was recently released, but for Istomin, the question is how NPO Saturn will work with the new power plant. It is logical to assume that according to the principle of unification and in general, in general, a more powerful power plant, which is installed on frigates of Project 22350, is more interesting for the "greedy". But for this it is necessary to cut the compartments, this is a serious change in the design, which may entail a delay in commissioning the remaining three ships for a couple of years. The second option from the same NPO Saturn is associated with the use of new M70MFRU engines, but they will have to be installed in four on the ship due to the lower power, there will also be difficulties, since the GTE is only part of the power plant.
I'd like to believe that all the same they will find a compromise solution and the second three of these beauties will be built without puffs and global redesign. There should be more than 20 such ships, like in the good old days, like their predecessors .. although dreaming is not harmful .. it’s not harmful to dream.

[Corvetkapitan]

Specialists wrote that the M70MFRU can be installed on 11356 with minimal changes, only the hardware will have to be redone, and the dimensions of the installations themselves will fit into the engine room without problems.

[kirieeleyson]

But since the gas turbine engine is only part of the power, a spark of 4 engines produces less than the declared power.

[Corvetkapitan]

Quote: kirieeleyson

But since the gas turbine engine is only part of the power, a spark of 4 engines produces less than the declared power.

They promise to make the power corresponding, and 4 engines give higher reliability. So for example, the icebreaker Krasin has 9 engines and it can go to parts of its engines in case of failure or overheating. The main thing is that the M70MFRU motors will be domestic, which means there will be no problems with repairs and spare parts.

[Oleneboy_]

What names. Straight Port Arthur you read. Cool

[tomatokin]

Good news !!! More ships large and small !!!

[tomatokin]

Quote: tomatokin

Good news !!! More ships large and small !!!

For this phrase they gave me a minus ... For what? You, citizen "MINUSER", what is against? Hey! ...