Azerbaijani Mi-17 armed with Israeli missiles

Transport and combat Mi-17 of the Azerbaijani army were armed with Israeli anti-tank missiles IAI LAHAT with a semi-active laser guidance system, the blog reported bmpd.

“Helicopters each carry two quadruple launchers LAHAT ATGMs and an MOSP-3000D electro-optical detection and guidance station. Azerbaijan has become the first well-known foreign customer of the LAHAT complex in a helicopter variant (SkyBow), ”the report says.

LAHAT rocket, caliber 105 mm, has a length of 975 mm and a weight of 13,5 kg. Warhead weight (cumulative tandem) - 2,5 kg. The range of the shot in the helicopter variant is about 13 km (from a tank gun - 8 km).

At the beginning of the 2014 g rocket passed the successful tests in Israel. Its launches were carried out with a specially upgraded Mi-8 helicopter.

Help bmpd: “LAHAT (Laser Homing Attack or Laser Homing Anti-Tank) with a semi-active laser guidance system was developed by IAI in the 1990s, initially as tank guided missiles for firing from 105-mm and 120-mm tank guns, however, later it was offered as ATGM for launching from light launchers of ground, ship and air (helicopters and UAVs) based. "A helicopter version of the rocket (SkyBow) was introduced to the market in 2004. For a long time, India was considered the main potential customer of SkyBow, however, repeated tests and demonstrations of this complex on the Indian HAL Dhruv helicopter did not lead to serial contracts."

Comments

[aszzz888]

What kind of "snot" from the wires, in the photo, at the station?

[makst83]

Kosher, atalef and professor will get wet from this news!

[tomket]

Quote: makst83

still kosher

Azerbaijan will no longer be able to fight these on Saturdays, for Shabbat and missiles will not fly anywhere.

[sdc_alex]

Jews for oil missiles calculated.
That's not surprising!

[Samen]

The Hindus did not accidentally refuse. I remember there were hints of low warhead performance.
Israel, however, found where to put this expensive fireworks.

[yushch]

Quote: Semen

The Hindus did not accidentally refuse. I remember there were hints of low warhead performance.
Israel, however, found where to put these expensive fireworks.

You shouldn’t be so cruel .Now the best in the world of the best in the world will appear
American weapons , a parking guard who calls himself a "professor" and will brand you with shame, as well as make you teach you "materiel"

[Ezhaak]

Quote: yushch

parking lot guard referred to as the "professor"

Isn't that the watchman who swears at any driver who does not understand Russian expressions?

[weksha50]

Quote: Hedgehog

Isn't that the watchman

An emotional man ... And the Russian spirit has not been etched out of him ... So rushing, so rushing ...

PS Honestly - I liked the episode ... I neighing even in the morning - that is, I received a charge of positive emotions ...

[Ezhaak]

Quote: weksha50

An emotional man ... And the Russian spirit has not been etched out of him ... So rushing and rushing.

I won’t dispute what is rushing from it. Yes, rushing, like from a sewer.
But with regard to everything else, there is the possibility and challenge. It is not for nothing that there are so many words with a derivative of Yiddish in "fen". During the Soviet years, many Jews sat behind the owner.
Yes, and not his Russian spirit, but a purely Jewish hutspa. Knowing the language of the carrier probably would have tapped on this greyhound guard. Or tapped the horns.

[weksha50]

Quote: Hedgehog

Yes, and not his Russian spirit,

Well, my mistake was that I didn't put the "Russian spirit" in quotes ...

"Knowing the language of the carrier probably would have tapped on this greyhound guard. Or tapped the horns"..

So he (drove) and promised him: "I'll put the car around the corner now, come back and deal with you" ...

Only for showdowns it is not necessary to drive a car around a corner ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: yushch

as well as make you learn "materiel"

Good offer...

[bertgolz]

why didn’t you offer Azerbaijan non-analogous Russian-made missiles in the world?

[Lopatov]

In India, the tank version of the ammunition was abandoned.

The reason is officially stated the most idiotic, "low efficiency at ranges less than 1200 m", which indicated a complete lack of understanding of why this ammunition is actually needed

[yushch]

Quote: Spade

In India, the tank version of the ammunition was abandoned.

The reason is officially stated the most idiotic, "low efficiency at ranges less than 1200 m", which indicated a complete lack of understanding of why this ammunition is actually needed

I don’t see anything idiotic, the customer pays money and voices the requirements for the product. If his requirements do not satisfy, he refuses to buy. Azerbaijan arranged everything and he purchased the product. In general, Hindus are complex and difficult as customers are buyers of weapons, but whoever pays, he orders the music.

[Lopatov]

Quote: yushch

I do not see anything idiotic

So you also do not understand the meaning of this kind of tank ammunition.

The tank "Lahat" is similar to the Russian UAS "Kitolov" when used from the ACS "Vena". The main purpose is defeat unobserved goals with external illumination by rangefinders, designators or UAVs. But at the same time, shooting with the target indicator of the self-propelled gun / tank is possible.

And there is absolutely no sense in hitting targets with this munition at the range of effective fire of a tank gun with their regular sub-caliber, cumulative or HE shells.
It's trite because of the time. While the tanker will try to work out "Lakhat" on the enemy's tank, he will have time to throw 4 "crowbars" in response. With all that it implies: the ammunition is not homing, the disruption of guidance is guaranteed after the first arriving BOPS

[yushch]

Quote: Spade

Quote: yushch

I do not see anything idiotic

So you also do not understand the meaning of this kind of tank ammunition.

The tank "Lahat" is similar to the Russian UAS "Kitolov" when used from the ACS "Vena". The main purpose is defeat unobserved goals with external illumination by rangefinders, designators or UAVs. But at the same time, shooting with the target indicator of the self-propelled gun / tank is possible.

And there is absolutely no sense in hitting targets with this munition at the range of effective fire of a tank gun with their regular sub-caliber, cumulative or HE shells.
It's trite because of the time. While the tanker will try to work out "Lakhat" on the enemy's tank, he will have time to throw 4 "crowbars" in response. With all that it implies: the ammunition is not homing, the disruption of guidance is guaranteed after the first arriving BOPS

I wrote to you mine who pays the one and orders the music. What do I understand here or not? Something didn’t suit the Hindus, they didn’t buy it, but I don’t need to surprise me with technical terms, I didn’t study in this area.

[Lopatov]

Quote: yushch

I wrote to you mine who pays the one and orders the music.

The Hindus did not like the fact that it was inconvenient to twist the screws with a sledge hammer.

You can perceive such a phrase with minimal use of technical terms without surprise?

[yushch]

No need to be rude, dear. I realized that you are an awesome connoisseur of all that the Indians need. The main thing is that the Indians themselves are in the know.

[Mama_Cholli]

If a good rocket, then why not arm?
It is possible that price / quality suited the customer.
Once again proof of the universality of MI-8/17
Patriotism is certainly good, but it is also present among Azerbaijanis. The only strange thing is that the country with the crescent moon chose the products of the flag of the star of David, apparently a really good rocket in its class.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

The only strange thing is that the country with the crescent moon chose the products of the flag of the star of David,

How well the product, they will find out a little later. If God forbid, you have to apply it.
But regarding the quote, a large number of Jews have lived and now live in Baku. Maybe this is the solution to the problem?

[Mountain shooter]

In Azerbaijan, the financial crisis is associated with a drop in oil prices. That's what they are modernizing as they can.
I liked the wires around the optical station. If they really connect it like that, then there is nothing to be afraid of. It will not last long.

[askort154]

Mountain shooter ... I liked the wires, around the optical station. If they really connect it like that, then there is nothing to fear about it. It will not last long.

This is Azerbaijani modernization. Jews cry but sell.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: askort154

It will not last long.

Come on! Drill holes, screw threads and press the wires with bolts. What are the little things.

[alexmach]

it looks like grounding

[Black Colonel]

There, in my opinion, are hydraulic tubes. But this is in my opinion. Ma-a-a-scarlet shrapnel - and u, mona fly to the base, regardless of the fact that TAM - wires or hydraulics.

[voyaka uh]

Against the frontal armor of tanks 105 mm Lahat is rather weak.
And they refused to execute it: "the tank shoots and accompanies with a laser."
We thought (and tested) the application: "the tank is shooting from over the hill
at an angle upward, and the helicopter leads with a laser to the target. "
With the advent of long-range ATGMs with GOS and optical-cable control
Lahat project stalled.
But from a helicopter (a strike from above on the tower and the motor) can come in handy.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: voyaka uh

But from a helicopter (a strike from above on the tower and the motor) can come in handy.

they are seriously cheaper than "Spike", and for hitting both a tank in the roof and for suppressing firing points, warheads and accuracy are quite enough.

[dauria]

Warhead and accuracy is enough.

I will add - and range. 13-km is just in line with modern tactics of using helicopters for previously reconnoitered targets. And only a semi-active laser is not enough, a duplicate channel would be nice, even a television one. But here's the "eight" without armor .... On the way there are enough holes from the rifle. Although the machine is patient.

[Lopatov]

The Mi-8 / Mi-17 is not a combat helicopter. And they are not being armed to fight tank breakthroughs and to act "on the front end." Arming them in order to, together with combat helicopters, clean up the site for tactical airborne assault.

Powerful ATGM systems are clearly redundant for him, something old, second generation is enough ... And here "Lakhat" is clearly preferable to "Assault". Due to the greater range and the possibility of external target designation.

[dauria]

But from a helicopter (a strike from above on the tower and the motor) can come in handy.

Install mudguards, not parking covers - and it will be fine. In spring and autumn, the belly of a helicopter is dirtier than a tank. Who changed the ARC-9 on the old "teshke" will confirm. And even better, washing with alcohol. All the people will thank the Jewish designer

[Silman1985]

I wonder who they are going to use against? It would be better if they bought from Russia, the article says that all the tests of the Israeli complex did not lead to production in a series.

[rotmistr60]

A strange question against whom? Have you forgotten about the Karabakh conflict?

[Black Colonel]

Apparently they fear that if they stir up trouble with Armenia, then "dear Russians" may turn off this device, whether it is from Russia.

[marshes]

This is the Azerbaijani version of MI-8AMShT / 171 Sh "Terminator"
Interesting, the issue price and the ability to install LAHAT ATGM on the EU-145.

[genisis]

"The head of the Department of Armaments and Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, Colonel Yagub Akhadov, has been relieved of his post. The Minister of Defense, Colonel-General Zakir Hasanov, by his order, has demoted Y. Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan. "

What about Kisilev: "Coincidence? I don't think so." ))

But seriously, then
On January 28.01.1992, 8, in the Shusha district, the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of V. Seregin. S. Akhundova, A. Makhmudova (the whole crew died)
11.04.1992/24/XNUMX in the Fizuli region the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of E. Karlov, Musaev, Faradzhev and Hasanov (the whole crew died).
On May 15.05.1992, 24, on the border of the Agdam and Askeran regions, the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of A. Shvarev and R. Shirinov (Shvarev was able to escape, but could no longer fly due to injuries. Shirinov died).
On 06.08.1992/24/XNUMX, in the Agderinsky district, the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of Z. Mejilov, R. Polovinka and D. Rahimov (the whole crew was pogiy).
11.10.1992/24/XNUMX in the Lachin district, the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of Z. Yusifov, R. Kuliev and T. Bagirov (the whole crew died)
And in March 1993, in the Agderinsky district, the Mi-24 was shot down under the command of commander I. Kostyuk. The crew survived, but the helicopter burned down
04.04.1993/8/XNUMX at Murovdag "friendly" air defense fire of Azerbaijan was shot down by mistake Mi-XNUMX under the control of V. Merkulov, V. Kondrashev and R. Mustafin (the entire crew died)
On August 30.08.1993, 24, in the Fizuli region, the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of F. Dzhalilov, A. Mizyak and A. Maraliev (the entire crew died).
On January 10.01.1994, 24, in the Fizuli region, the Mi-XNUMX was shot down under the command of A. Ismailov, Z. Zulgadiev and M. Huseynov (the whole crew died)

The use of helicopters in those parts, especially if at the moment the NKR has not only MANPADS but also stationary S-300 systems, it seems an extremely controversial venture.
Even with Israeli rockets

[Lopatov]

Quote: genisis

The use of helicopters in those parts, especially if at the moment the NKR has not only MANPADS but also stationary S-300 systems

And where does the NKR S-300 come from?
Are you confusing anything?

[ultra]

In fact, Armenia has it, so NKR has it.

[Lopatov]

Quote: ultra

In fact, Armenia has

That’s the question ... Where are they from Armenia?

[ultra]

As far as I know, 3 s-300 divisions are part of the air defense of Armenia.

[Lopatov]

Quote: ultra

3 s-300 divisions are part of the air defense of Armenia.

Where are they from? There are no new air defense systems besides Russian

[Yeraz]

Quote: Spade

Where are they from? There are no new air defense systems besides Russian

Armenians have S-300, only old versions, S-300P and S-300PS, S-300P. Azerbaijan has newer S-300.

[genisis]

No. I do not confuse.
More precisely so.

“According to 2011 photographs, several batteries are currently located in the Goris area. Deploying there the S-300 protects the entire region of Nagorno-Karabakh under the protection of Armenian air defense ”
The distance from Goris to the extreme point of the eastern border of NKR and Azerbaijan is about 150 km.

According to unofficial information, 1 division was deployed directly to the NKR.
But this is from the series: "whether it is, or not"

[Lopatov]

Confused. They do not have the S-300, although victorious reports that "Russia will give them to us for free" appear regularly.

[genisis]

In 2010, walked such options

[genisis]

Excuse me, but the victorious reports "Russia will give them to us for free" - were they distributed directly from the NKR?
I don’t remember something, so that Russia would supply something to the NKR in general.

[Lopatov]

Quote: genisis

Excuse me, but the victorious reports "Russia will give them to us for free" - were they distributed directly from the NKR?

From Armenia.

[genisis]

From Armenia many reports were distributed, distributed and will be distributed.
P..kind not tossing bags

[ultra]

And what about the relations? Video and photos are full of S-300 in the air defense of Armenia.

[ultra]

here is a photo from the parade.

[Lopatov]

For some reason, they don't go anywhere. Except in messages about the need to find an enterprise where they could be "modernized" (read, restore a resource). I'm afraid it's just a scarecrow for parades.

[ultra]

Specifically googled, there is a video for 2016 S-300 on combat duty of the air defense of Armenia.

[genisis]

If you are not too lazy to watch, then from 7 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUetMx5iz4M

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Spade

And where does the NKR S-300 come from?

Tell me, have you personally never been surprised by so many troops of the NKR? But until the end of the 90s, the NKR never had its army. And suddenly, out of nowhere, appeared. From there, the S-300.
In answering this question, keep in mind that until 91 years old, I lived in those steppes and I have a concept of what Stenaparket is and what it is eaten with.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Hedgehog

In answering this question, keep in mind that until 91 years old, I lived in those steppes and I have a concept of what Stenaparket is and what it is eaten with.

Well, there are people who think that purely the inhabitants of Karabakh are protecting the land, and the fact that there are Armenian troops stationed there and conscripts send a surprise there for them.
Recently, some military men were detained with the Armenian Defense Ministry for taking a bribe in order to discourage conscripts from being sent to service in Karabakh.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: genisis

The use of helicopters in those parts, especially if at the moment the NKR has not only MANPADS but also stationary S-300 systems, it seems an extremely controversial venture.
Even with Israeli rockets

Again. Lopatov already wrote above that the Mi-8/17 is not an attack helicopter, t / e it is not intended to break through enemy defenses or repel tank attacks, but to support helicopter landings, to suppress encircled units blocked by ballistic missiles, t / e for all that to which there is no way to distract full-fledged attack helicopters, a perfectly acceptable replacement.

[genisis]

Again. Missiles can well be quite good, but the experience of the first war showed that the use of aviation, both helicopters and airplanes, with a dense saturation of the battle formations of MANPADS (of which there are more than enough) will lead to a very high level of losses. If a professor looks here, he can more professionally open the topic, as he is directly connected with both the flyers and was connected in the Soviet era with Armenia - Azerbaijan

[Lopatov]

Quote: genisis

with dense saturation of the battle formations of MANPADS

And here "Lakhat" is just the perfect weapon.

Given the presence of UAVs in Azerbaijan, which, in principle, it is impossible to shoot down MANPADS, available to Armenia. But at the same time capable of highlighting targets for missiles / shells with a semi-active laser seeker.

[genisis]

And Lahat is good and there are UAVs, but I still can’t understand what will prevent it from shooting down helicopters before launching missiles?

[Lopatov]

Quote: genisis

what will prevent helicopters from shooting before launching missiles?

Range.

[alone]

Quote: genisis

The use of helicopters in those parts, especially if at the moment the NKR has not only MANPADS but also stationary S-300 systems, it seems an extremely controversial venture.

Genesis, from the S-300 only I.Dioti shoot at helicopters. The S-300 is such a system that launching missiles at helicopters is unprofitable)))

[Termit1309]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Again. Lopatov already wrote above that the Mi-8/17 is not an attack helicopter,

Azerbaijan has not so many "full-fledged attack helicopters". Only two dozen. Of these, a dozen MI-24Gs. And in a more or less large conflict, these two dozen MI-17s will become full-fledged and assault.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Termit1309

Only two dozen.

26 pieces to be exact. Of these, at least 12 modernized. Plus 24 pieces of Mi-35M border guards.

Total 50 units.

[Professor]

IMHO equipping a transport helicopter with ATGMs is a mistake. The bourgeois also make this mistake. Well, perhaps for "self-defense" and support of the landing troops.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

IMHO equipping a transport helicopter with ATGMs is a mistake. The bourgeois also make this mistake. Well, perhaps for "self-defense" and support of the landing troops.

Not for "support", for cleaning the site.
This allows you to reduce the required number of combat helicopters. Which should
a) lead transport helicopters along the "corridor", hitting undetected air defense systems
b) to clean the site
c) provide support for tactical airborne assault operations.

The armament of transport helicopters allows you to exclude item "b"

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

The armament of transport helicopters allows you to exclude item "b"

And it can also push some hotheads to throw these helicopters into battle to perform functions that are not inherent to them.

[Yeraz]

Quote: professor

And it can also push some hotheads to throw these helicopters into battle to perform functions that are not inherent to them.

This was a lot in the war and will obviously be in the new war. There are a lot of rams in the higher echelons. The only professionals at the middle and lower levels are much more than in the last war and they can send generals away with murderous orders.

[ultra]

You have an interesting army, lieutenants will be sending generals. This is no longer an army.

[Yeraz]

Quote: ultra

You have an interesting army, lieutenants will be sending generals. This is no longer an army.

Yes, they themselves created such conditions. It’s like in Syria, in peacetime, like everyone loves Assad and a little support and the country is on fire. The same thing here. It seems everyone loves Aliyev, but in fact everyone is afraid to say that they DO NOT love. There are many generals not deserving of these epaulettes. There are Karabakh veterans who are dissatisfied with the authorities, as the majority made their way up, not people shedding blood, but rats sitting in Baku. Plus over the past 20 years, when many real experts have been suspended, a new minister has been appointed who really started I’ve done quite a bit with the soldiers and put things in order, but BUT it is also limited.

And it’s one thing when there is no active fighting, but only passively, the General from Baku can tell you and take actions that offend honor and dignity, damaging the state-wu. Another thing, when there is an active war, the soldiers are heavily armed, they comrades die in battles and war heroes appear. Then they will listen to them more than the general who is sitting there knows nothing about military affairs and gives a murderous order. In the 90s there were few professionals and many did not always understand the killer of the order , now there are many professionals in the middle and lower echelons and they will not let their soldiers die due to the stupidity of one fool and quickly put him in his place if he starts to kick. And the people will be on the side of the soldiers.
Therefore, the Aliyevs are afraid of the war, because they will start it only with a 100% win, even 99 is not acceptable for them, because the slightest mistake and they are overthrown in an instant.

Well, in Russia they will say how wonderful Aliyev is, and the speeches and rallies are the machinations of the State Department and the Azerbaijanis were brainwashed)))

[genisis]

Why be so shy
And it didn’t happen
Sergeants became deputy defense ministers
And nothing

[ultra]

Aliyevs are "afraid"? Or maybe this is good? Poroshenko was "not afraid" and what did it lead to? In my opinion, Azerbaijan has no chances to return Karabakh by military means, so we need to look for diplomatic ways of settlement.

[Yeraz]

Quote: ultra

Poroshenko was "not afraid" and what did it lead to?

And there he was forced to act, and it was not a matter of his fearlessness.

Quote: ultra

In my opinion, Azerbaijan has no chance to return Karabakh by military means

Yes, no, Russia is standing behind the Armenians so far. But where is the guarantee that they will not be set on fire from outside? The problem of frozen conflicts is that they can be thawed. And it is not the parties to the conflict that can thaw them, but other people’s uncles.

Quote: ultra

therefore, diplomatic solutions must be sought.

Of course, everyone around is so beautifully "peacefully" resolving issues.
Russia in Chechnya, Ossetia, in Syria peacefully, without a videoconferencing system calmed down the parties.
The USA in Iraq, Afghanistan has peacefully decided.
Koreans peacefully decide.
Pakistanis with Hindus peacefully decide.
These are the countries that speak of a peaceful solution, let them first solve their problems peacefully, and then they advise others to do so.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: professor

IMHO equipping a transport helicopter with ATGMs is a mistake. The bourgeois also make this mistake. Well, perhaps for "self-defense" and support of the landing troops.

Well, something like this. There are mountains. T / e helicopter landing will be used actively. It’s already lit up from the exercises.

[Ruslan Shevela]

Purchased and okay, Azerbaijan still remains one of the best buyers of our weapons