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Syrian Palmyra helped to release TOC-1A

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The ancient Syrian city was helped by the government forces to liberate the heavy sun-throwers "Sunshine", reports Messenger of Mordovia With reference to the video posted on the network.


Syrian Palmyra helped to release TOC-1A


“As you know, these systems have tremendous destructive power, but specifically in the Palmyra military operation, the Solntseki were used exclusively for the positions of terrorists of the ISIS group banned in Russia outside historical parts of the city and beyond the residential area, ”notes the author of the article, Lev Romanov.

Moreover, according to his data, “in most cases in the Palmyra TOC-1A area, as a rule, they did not launch salvo attacks, but hit a small number of missiles at the identified targets of the terrorists.”



Technical characteristics of the system: “Mass - 44,3 t, speed - up to 60 km / h, power reserve - 500 km, crew - 3 people. Armament: multi-launch launcher, number of guide tubes - 24, firing range minimum - 400 m, maximum - 6000 m, full salvo time - 6 sec. "
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  1. Kars
    Kars 29 March 2016 11: 04
    +3
    And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?
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      2. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 29 March 2016 11: 08
        +13
        Spring is just coming
        "Sunshine" brings summer closer!
        Independently raise the temperature.
        The Babai are reminded of the approach of Hell.
      3. kagorta
        kagorta 29 March 2016 12: 19
        0
        Not lamb wink
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    3. Cananecat
      Cananecat 29 March 2016 11: 06
      +4
      And what do you need?
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 29 March 2016 11: 10
      +18
      Quote: Kars
      And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?

      Do you want from "Armata"? request
    5. DMB_95
      DMB_95 29 March 2016 11: 16
      +9
      If the "Solntsepёk" was created on the basis of the T-72, do we need other tracks?
      1. opus
        opus 29 March 2016 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: DMB_95
        If "Solntsepёk" was created on the basis of the T-72,

        based on the T-72A (Object 176) / Pinocchio on the T-72 ohm)
    6. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 March 2016 11: 17
      +7
      Quote: Kars
      And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?

      TOS-1A "Solntsepek" is a modification of TOS-1 "Pinocchio", a heavy flamethrower system of volley fire based on the T-72 tank. And why change the tracks, if not secret?
      1. Kars
        Kars 29 March 2016 12: 50
        +3
        You do not ask me this.
        But it’s important for me to distinguish Pinocchio and Solntsepek
        1. Evgeny RS
          Evgeny RS 29 March 2016 12: 53
          0
          We understand)))
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 29 March 2016 12: 59
          +5
          Quote: Kars
          But it’s important for me to distinguish Pinocchio and Solntsepek

          by the number of guide trunks. Pinocchio - 30 trunks, Sun - 24. It’s so simple. drinks
          PS Buratino’s transport-loading vehicle is wheeled, sort of like the Urals, and Solntsepyok’s also based on the T-72.
        3. Velya
          Velya 29 March 2016 13: 09
          +1
          to easily distinguish them - just look at the packages of guides: "Buratino" has 30 of them, and "Solntsepek" - 24.
        4. Fregate
          Fregate 29 March 2016 13: 23
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          You do not ask me this.
          But it’s important for me to distinguish Pinocchio and Solntsepek

          Pinocchio has 30 tensioners, Solntsepek 24. Chassis for our army take the t-72, apparently to reduce the cost (we have a lot of them). For Azerbaijan, in my opinion, they put it on the t-90.
    7. Ros 56
      Ros 56 29 March 2016 11: 21
      +3
      And what effect do trucks have on the combat characteristics of TOS-1A? hi
      1. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 29 March 2016 14: 11
        0
        Yes, yes, I have the same question, And what's the difference, it won't make it easier for babaykans to take them into account ... but for someone it is very important to see on which tracks "Solntsepek"
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    9. genisis
      genisis 29 March 2016 11: 44
      +4
      Kars, you reminded me of a joke:

      The inspector stops the car in which two friends are sitting:
      - Your documents.
      - You are welcome. Tell me, now that the Heroes of the Soviet Union are also subject to administrative responsibility?
      - Sorry, bon voyage.
      Drive off, one friend to another:
      “I didn’t know that you were a GSS.”
      - Yes, I just asked laughing
    10. Appraiser
      Appraiser 29 March 2016 12: 07
      +1
      I apologize, and what tracks should be? After all, the basic chassis for the TOS-1A product is the T-72 tank!
    11. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 29 March 2016 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?

      And not only trucks. The sun is based on the T-72 tank.
      1. Kars
        Kars 29 March 2016 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        The sun is based on the T-72 tank.

        And I thought on the basis of T-90A
    12. CALL.
      CALL. 29 March 2016 13: 32
      0
      Quote: Kars
      And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?

      So Solntsepek made on the basis of the T-72.
    13. opus
      opus 29 March 2016 13: 35
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?

      from T-72A

      I really do not know mb interchangeably? One step seems to be one?


      as well as tracks with RMSh from T-72 - they were also installed on the T-62M
      1. Kars
        Kars 29 March 2016 14: 46
        +1
        That's why it's interesting))
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    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 29 March 2016 11: 11
      +4
      Most likely not fried, but flattened. Something like chicken chicken.
  3. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 29 March 2016 11: 09
    +1
    "In addition, according to his data," in most cases, in the Palmyra region, TOS-1A, as a rule, were not delivered with salvo strikes, but were hit with a small number of rockets at the identified targets of the terrorists. "
    Well, TOS-14 has become a high-precision weapon. Survived ...
    1. avt
      avt 29 March 2016 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: tiredwithall
      Well, TOS-14 has become a high-precision weapon. Survived ...

      We lived, really lived up to the "Tornado G", God forbid we will live to see the massive "Tornado S" and "Tornado U".
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 March 2016 11: 38
        +4
        Quote: avt
        We lived, really lived up to the "Tornado G", God forbid we will live to see the massive "Tornado S" and "Tornado U".

        As far as I understand, Iskander also appeared in Syria. And something tells me that the world will fall silent for the second time when the "Macedonian" shows itself in action.
        1. dogens
          dogens 29 March 2016 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          when "Macedonian" shows itself in action.


          Sorry, I tried to google it, but what is it? who is it? if not military secret. Well, unless of course we are not talking about the thunderstorm of the peoples of Sashka of Macedon.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 March 2016 11: 49
            +6
            Quote: dogens
            Sorry, I tried to google it, but what is it? who is it? if not military secret. Well, unless of course we are not talking about the thunderstorm of the peoples of Sashka of Macedon.

            Alexander the Great in the Muslim world was calledIskander Zulkarnain. And the complex is named after him. Hence the "Macedonian". wink
            1. dogens
              dogens 29 March 2016 12: 06
              0
              All is clear, thank you.)
        2. FenH
          FenH 29 March 2016 12: 26
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: avt
          We lived, really lived up to the "Tornado G", God forbid we will live to see the massive "Tornado S" and "Tornado U".

          As far as I understand, Iskander also appeared in Syria. And something tells me that the world will fall silent for the second time when the "Macedonian" shows itself in action.


          They write that it may be a photograph of "Bastion":
          A closer look at the launcher revealed that it could be the Bastion’s coastal missile system.

          “In any case, there should be our systems, since the Bastions (wheel) arches set for Syria several years ago were exactly round,” wrote Lyamin.
        3. avt
          avt 29 March 2016 16: 17
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          As I understand it, Iskanders also appeared in Syria.

          Rather, Bastion, well, it’s more logical, but again it’s difficult to judge by this photo.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 March 2016 16: 51
            +1
            Quote: avt
            Rather, Bastion, well, it’s more logical, but again it’s difficult to judge by this photo.

            It’s just more logical than Iskander. ISIS does not have a fleet, and the Bastions will be needed if the Turks conceive a ground operation, which is unlikely while our VKS are there. But Racca will have to take a lot of blood, which I would not want. It is much more convenient from a distance of 500 km beat Iskanders, knocking out dushmans in a clean field, where Solntsepek and our helicopters will be waiting for them with an orchestra, flowers and songs.
            hi
    2. DMB_95
      DMB_95 29 March 2016 11: 23
      +1
      Efficiency (and accuracy including) depends on the professionalism of the crew. There are not Syrian militias sitting under armor.
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 March 2016 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: tiredwithall
      Well, TOS-14 has become a high-precision weapon

      And what kind of weapon it is, translate it into Russian. I know TOZ-14, but I have no idea about TOS-14. Yes, and "highsewage"to go nuts!
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 29 March 2016 12: 29
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        And what kind of weapon is this, translate into Russian.

        And not one of the minusrators explained what TOS-14 is.
      2. kebeskin
        kebeskin 29 March 2016 12: 31
        -2
        CBT Heavy Flamethrower System
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 March 2016 12: 34
          0
          Quote: kebeskin
          CBT Heavy Flamethrower System

          This, sorry, and a hedgehog .. is known .. the question was

          Quote: Hedgehog
          And what kind of weapon is this, translate into Russian. I know TOZ-14, but I don’t have a clue about TOS-14

          The point is that "TOS-14" does not exist in nature. Generally. There's no such thing request
        2. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 29 March 2016 12: 40
          +1
          Either read kebeskin or be silent. What is TOS-14? Russian on white!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 42
            0
            Quote: Hedgehog
            What is TOS-14

            This is a missprint.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 29 March 2016 12: 50
              -1
              Quote: Spade
              This is a missprint.

              I do not believe! (K.S. Stanislavsky)
              Although, about "vysokostochnoe", it is likely. But not about TOS-14
      3. pilot8878
        pilot8878 29 March 2016 13: 58
        0
        What TOS-14 is, I don’t know, but about a high-precision weapon, I’ll assume that this is the type of weapon from which various substances start to flow from the remaining barmel men from their pants, while the process is not controlled by either the brain or the sphincter. As a result, the barmalei begin to drain uncontrollably into the sewers, burrows and other ways seep from the zone of operation of high-precision weapons away.
    4. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 29 March 2016 11: 53
      0
      Well, TOS-14 has become a high-precision weapon. Survived ...

      Apparently there were so many baboons there that the impact by a small number of rockets was targeted, especially since it was outside the development zones.
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 29 March 2016 12: 36
        +1
        Your version is quite viable.
    5. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 08
      0
      Quote: tiredwithall
      Well, TOS-14 has become a high-precision weapon. Survived ...

      And they were originally intended to be just that.
      As a kind of analogue of "Sturmtiger". With the main method of application - semi-direct fire. For example, during the assault on the Komsomolsk "Buratino", he shot exclusively single

      It was only later, in the course of modernization, that the MLRS capabilities of TOS began to consistently improve and expand.
      There is a modernized version of "Solntsepёk", which is already ahead of "Grada" in accuracy.
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 29 March 2016 12: 40
        +1
        I really didn’t think that it was effective to shoot single-handedly from TOC. As always, the operators make their own significant adjustments.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 45
          +1
          Why not, if you observe a target? They were not in vain done on a tank chassis.

          And in general, in settlements with the direct support of the volley in most cases is excessive.
  4. hartlend
    hartlend 29 March 2016 11: 11
    +1
    Naturally, if military equipment is available, it is used in hostilities. A strange article, just some kind of PR. The flamethrower is powerful, but it shoots lightly, lightly. As in a joke, tanks fly low-low.
  5. Taygerus
    Taygerus 29 March 2016 11: 11
    +3
    The bearded will know what a Russian tan is, so that from now on it would not be common soldier
  6. gergi
    gergi 29 March 2016 11: 11
    +3
    Wonderful shaitan-arba. Amused the barmalei. When the sun begins to work, bearded hoopoes tear claws so that the soles fly off. Those who did not have time to escape, their fried carcasses are still lying in the sun. Very effective weapon.
  7. alex-cn
    alex-cn 29 March 2016 11: 12
    +3
    I don’t remember, the bearded ones then go to heaven? It seems to be not ...
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 March 2016 11: 12
    +5
    And Russia does not hide the fact that, among other things, it is helping the Syrian army with weapons, equipment and advisers. Therefore, the appearance of "Solntsepek" (photographs have appeared before) is not surprising.
    1. jjj
      jjj 29 March 2016 11: 15
      +4
      Seamlessly transferred the conflict to the Vietnamese scenario with all the consequences for the adversary
  9. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 29 March 2016 11: 14
    +2
    The beard of the basmachs was set on fire. am
  10. Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 29 March 2016 11: 17
    +6
    Very effective weapon.
    We will not gloat. But there is a feeling of satisfaction.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 March 2016 11: 30
      +2
      The greatest effect of its unguided rockets in thermobaric equipment is achieved in mountain conditions: due to the mutual superposition of air shock waves and their multiple reflection from surrounding rocks, the destruction of soil and stone blockages. Ammunition creates a cloud of explosive mixture and then undermines it, causing all the oxygen in the cloud to enter into this reaction. After instant detonation, the pressure rises sharply, and then drops below atmospheric by about 160 mmHg. Thus, even if the enemy managed to survive after the explosion, the pressure drop leads to his guaranteed death from a rupture of internal organs.

      There is no sense in sitting stupidly on the defensive anyway .... they will burn it anyway ... therefore the militants are fleeing.
      Our specialists skillfully take advantage of this formidable weapon ... it would be nice to make a more mobile option ... something like a jeep with a smaller reactive installation.
      1. bk316
        bk316 29 March 2016 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        and then falls below atmospheric by about 160 mmHg.

        Comrade Marshal, explain how pressure can drop 160 mm BELOW atmospheric, if atmospheric 70 mm? There is no negative pressure in the gas.
        Maybe it falls by 160 mm relative to what was at the time of the increase after the explosion?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 March 2016 12: 06
          +2
          Quote: bk316
          atmospheric 70 mm?

          Mdja ...
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 24
          0
          Quote: bk316
          if atmospheric 70 mm?

          Zero toe lost.
          In general, in artillery, the normal / tabular pressure is 750. It is easier to remember.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 21
        -2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Ammunition creates a cloud of explosive mixture and then undermines it

        This is not about thermobaric ammunition. They are single-cycle, no "cloud creation" with subsequent detonation.
  11. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 29 March 2016 11: 20
    +4
    A good thing ... charged with thermobaric and ... I’ll save neither bearded nor beardless in the region of falling shells ... soldier
  12. Lanista
    Lanista 29 March 2016 11: 22
    +12
    As a result of the use of TOS, new monuments have appeared in Palmyra. True, not antique, but modern, in the style of progress art. For example, the monument "Terrorist in a sand cube melted down to glass", the installation "Fried ISIS", the sculpture "Heat-treated Turkish mercenary".
  13. lysyj bob
    lysyj bob 29 March 2016 11: 31
    +1
    And fire on anti-tank infantry ATGMs? .. (on video) Was it they removed for the show or is this a common practice?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 March 2016 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: lysyj bob
      And fire on anti-tank infantry ATGMs? .. (on video) Was it they removed for the show or is this a common practice?

      This practice was started by the Yankees back in Afghanistan. It turned out that it’s cheaper and faster to spend 1 ATGM on a woman than to pick it out with infantry or artillery, simultaneously spreading everything around.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 12
      0
      Quote: lysyj bob
      And fire on anti-tank infantry ATGMs? .. (on video) Was it they removed for the show or is this a common practice?


      Plain. Not only that, initially inherent in all ATGMs. For example, in artillery preparation for an attack, they must defeat targets at the forefront. First of all, bunker / bunker
      1. lysyj bob
        lysyj bob 29 March 2016 12: 27
        0
        Well, bunkers and all that - it’s understandable, the Yankees in Afghanistan - too, they print bucks in cars. But in an open field for individual fighters ... A volley of 122-mm battery will cost much less.
        1. alex-cn
          alex-cn 29 March 2016 12: 37
          0
          122 not everywhere you can drag. Our Chechen fighters from the opposite side of the gorge also got ATGMs.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 39
          0
          Quote: lysyj bob
          Well, bunkers and all that - it’s clear

          If you think that there is a special difference between the bunker / bunker and the firing point in the building, you are mistaken.

          Quote: lysyj bob
          A volley of 122 mm battery will cost less.

          Longer, and possibly more expensive. Single, point targets for barreled artillery when firing from closed targets are very inconvenient.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 March 2016 14: 59
          0
          Quote: lysyj bob
          A volley of 122 mm battery will cost less.

          Remember ammunition consumption rates for typical targets?
          To destroy one openly located gun or anti-tank system requires at least 300 122 mm shells. To destroy openly located manpower, and standing still - at least 40 122 mm shells per hectare. For the destruction of a single unarmored target (an open-standing gun or ATGM) - 300 122 mm shells.

          Actually, the Soviet Union was so fond of assault guns in that war (instead of self-propelled howitzers for firing with a PDO) precisely because they spent an order of magnitude less direct-fire guns. ATGM spends missiles even less. smile
  14. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 March 2016 11: 34
    +3
    I read somewhere that during the Second World War our soldiers of flamethrowers were not taken prisoner.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 29 March 2016 11: 57
      +2
      Generally, in the Red Army there were knapsack flamethrowers, and the "distant ancestor" of "lynxes" and "bumblebees" - an ampulomet, which fired ampoules from the COP.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 March 2016 12: 01
        +3
        Generally, in the Red Army there were knapsack flamethrowers, and the "distant ancestor" of "lynxes" and "bumblebees" - an ampulomet, which fired ampoules from the COP.


        There was an article on HBO about this ... smile

        http://topwar.ru/581-ampulomet-zabytoe-oruzhie-vov.html/


        This ampule is a dangerous thing ... reckless movement or an accidental bullet and shooter burns with a blue flame.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2016 12: 14
      +3
      How to get them? Without a knapsack, it is unclear who it is. And with it you need to shoot, which naturally led to the transformation of the flame thrower into a torch.
  15. Olezhek
    Olezhek 29 March 2016 11: 35
    0
    Moreover, according to his data, “in most cases, in the Palmyra TOC-1А area, as a rule, not salvo strikes, but hit a small number of rockets at identified targets terrorists. "


    As if replacing receiver artillery?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 March 2016 11: 55
      0
      Quote: Olezhek
      As if replacing receiver artillery?

      Rather, replacing the assault artillery. Armored vehicle with powerful ammunition, designed to work almost direct fire - a new incarnation of the StormSAU NPP. smile
      The Syrians, Pomnitsa, used Carnations and Acacia for direct fire to support the infantry.

      By the way, in the Chechen campaign, the TOS worked the same way - not with full salvos, but with 2-4 missiles for a specific purpose.
  16. Silman1985
    Silman1985 29 March 2016 11: 39
    0
    They were used in combat conditions, and not at training grounds, the thing is murderous, sorry there is no video.
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  17. NEXUS
    NEXUS 29 March 2016 11: 42
    +2
    Our robots should be tested at this training ground. This theater of operations is the best possible test of new combat systems. And we will surprise the world and bring the equipment to mind based on combat experience.
  18. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 29 March 2016 11: 48
    0
    Once again we tested our "Solntsepek" There we would have to send our imperfect robots to test for sure.
  19. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 29 March 2016 11: 50
    +3
    against fighting a not-so-long-range adversary of the TOS, of course, an effective thing, in addition to direct damage, is also terribly catching on the survivors :)
  20. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 29 March 2016 12: 02
    0
    Great weapon, but the 6000 range is somehow annoying ... It will not be enough.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 29 March 2016 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: Alex von Dorn
      Great weapon, but the 6000 range is somehow annoying ... It will not be enough.

      For longer range, the Uragan MLRS with thermobaric ammunition and a range of up to 13 km is used, as well as the Smerch MLRS with thermobaric ammunition and a range of up to 70 km.
  21. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 29 March 2016 12: 03
    +1
    Imagine that you feel when you know that the enemy who is going to reside has a sun))) a little point agree))
  22. loki565
    loki565 29 March 2016 12: 06
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    And what about the Sunlight are the usual tracks from the T-72?


    There are no ionic gravitational tracks from antimatter on it
  23. koshmarik
    koshmarik 29 March 2016 12: 07
    +2
    The "Solntsepek" has ammunition for the "volumetric explosion" in ammunition - a terrible thing. I saw it at the test site - no atomic bomb is needed.
  24. vobels
    vobels 29 March 2016 12: 14
    +1
    It got warmer in Syria, "Solntsepek" came, and the same kirdyk came to the babays!
  25. PPD
    PPD 29 March 2016 12: 19
    +1
    Pinocchio guy is kind, helpful! And always ready to help. laughing
  26. Bort radist
    Bort radist 29 March 2016 12: 26
    +1
    In the video at 3.02, the native speech of the adjustment is "five hours".
    1. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 29 March 2016 12: 45
      +2
      Aha, and at 4:11 some strange Syrian sits on the right.
  27. 123321
    123321 29 March 2016 12: 41
    +4
    Something like this.............
  28. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 29 March 2016 13: 48
    +3
    Therefore, probably part of the knowledgeable Basmachi rushed from Palmyra on the eve of the assault, they did not want to take a steam bath in the "bathhouse"! The "caliphate" quickly ended at the sight of the "Russian stove"!