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Gazeta.ru: Boreas and Ash Trees Will Not Be Built Timely

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The construction of the 15 submarines of the 955 and 885 projects will not be completed within the deadlines indicated in the State Weapons Program to 2020 g (GWP-2020), Lenta.ru report the message "Gazety.ru".


Gazeta.ru: Boreas and Ash Trees Will Not Be Built Timely


“The first group, Borey, will actually be completed by the end of 2021 of the year, and the APG on Yassenu shifts to the right right up to 2023 of the year”,
said the publication of a source in the defense complex.

He noted that in the Russian Federation “there is not enough shipbuilding capacity to build boats at that pace.”

“In order to have all this in time for 2020, at the shipyard of Sevmash there must simultaneously be four nuclear-powered ships on which work is being carried out. There is a lack of infrastructure at the plant, ”explained the source.

Another problem that may lead to a delay in the delivery of submarines to the customer, "is the need to conduct a large-scale program of testing new equipment and prepare a sufficient number of crews."

The publication recalls that by 2020 (by the end of the program) it was planned to pass the fleet 8 Boreevs with Bulava missiles and 7 Ashens with Onyx missiles.
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Submarines of Russia / VKontakte
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 March 2016 17: 56
    +35
    Well, the consequences of the bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s come out ... sad
    But at least it pleases that now it is realized and even with a delay, but new nuclear-powered ships will turn out ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 March 2016 17: 58
      +4
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well, the consequences of the bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s come out ... sad
      But at least it pleases that now it is realized and even with a delay, but new nuclear-powered ships will turn out ...



      Unfortunately, you are right, now we need to catch up and train the staff.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 March 2016 18: 04
        +15
        Quote: cniza
        and cadres to cook.

        And again it comes down to education. And there Livanov is in charge, and we find ourselves in the role of those Poles whom Susanin drove on an excursion. request
        1. aktanir
          aktanir 24 March 2016 20: 54
          +2
          it’s not yet known whether this is really so, the source is clearly not the Ministry of Defense ...
        2. mav1971
          mav1971 24 March 2016 20: 55
          +10
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: cniza
          and cadres to cook.

          And again it comes down to education. And there Livanov is in charge, and we find ourselves in the role of those Poles whom Susanin drove on an excursion. request


          Do not blame everything on the bad king, in the form of Livanov.
          Look at your surroundings.
          How many of the young people you see (relatives, friends of relatives) work in factories?

          It is not the ministers of education as such.
          It's about us.
          At the end of the 80, I turned 17-20 years old.
          I then lived in the working quarter of Kuybyshev - Bezymyanka, Kalinin Square.
          Already then it was so.
          "Study well - go to college. You will work normally."
          "And if you study badly, you will get in the heels. You will be ballast fuel oil all your life."
          "You will work long and short at the smithy."

          And so it was all the time, as I remember myself from a child.

          And so said the parents of all my classmates, although they all then worked at the factories, ordinary workers in two or three shifts.
          The bottom line.
          This our society even then formed a negative attitude towards people of working specialties.
          By all means, reach the institute. Righteous and unrighteous.
          So our generation has grown up, for those who have 40-50, for whom a working specialty is simply not perceived.
          And we did not give our children a normal attitude towards working specialties.
          We are the whole people. The vast majority.
          And those who now have 20-25 - there is simply no reason to go to a working specialty.
          Units among young people go there. In a car service - normal. to the factory - bad.

          Although, in recent years there is a sobering.
          Going to the office, or the same car service for a black salary in 20-25 of thousands, with all lawlessness - or going to the factory, to the initial 20, but white with the potential through 3-5 of years is already 40-50 for non-idlers. With all social packages and cheap loans.
          Many peers have already gone to the factory, even those who have never been to them.
          The trend however. And it pleases.
          1. Leprekon
            Leprekon 25 March 2016 06: 16
            0
            Quote: mav1971
            I was 80-17 years old at the end of the 20s .... Even then it was like that.
            "Study well - go to college. You will work normally."
            "And if you study badly, you will get in the heels. You will be ballast fuel oil all your life."
            "You will work long and short at the smithy."

            To study well and to receive well is not always identical. I have a couple of neighbors, and even a bunch with my father’s comrades, who were already 80+ in the late 25s, had engineering degrees from mining to aviation, and worked in the mine! Because it did not work to support a family of 120 rubles.
          2. North Christmas Tree
            North Christmas Tree 25 March 2016 10: 01
            0
            And here I directly agree with you 100% !!!!
            The same story. There is education, but it’s not applied there ... (well, this is a separate story). Why is it - that is so ubiquitous ... kmk
            Only now I am trying to convey to my son that he studies well, so that he can work later and bring benefits and work at the enterprise. Because like brains are and it turns out to study well. So he can get good knowledge, then he can get a specialty that requires brains.
            In general, he wants to atoservice himself :) (because he loves cars), which is good (maybe he doesn’t want to shop or office).
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 24 March 2016 18: 05
        +26
        “In order to have all this in time for 2020, at the shipyard of Sevmash there must simultaneously be four nuclear-powered ships on which work is being carried out. There is a lack of infrastructure at the plant, ”explained the source.
        You can’t invest in your economy, corruption is growing from this. A week ago, they brought us here.
        Here is the answer to this grief to experts who shove money anywhere except their country. However, funds are not measured in state bonds, I am silent about benefits and pensions.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 24 March 2016 18: 27
          +7
          This is a SYSTEM .. GDP has no desire to break this stone slab, which has piled on our state. Unfortunately, in economic matters, he completely believes (or depends) on the liberals of Sobchak’s bottling ..
          Quote: Observer2014
          “In order to have all this in time for 2020, at the shipyard of Sevmash there must simultaneously be four nuclear-powered ships on which work is being carried out. There is a lack of infrastructure at the plant, ”explained the source.
          You can’t invest in your economy, corruption is growing from this. A week ago, they brought us here.
          Here is the answer to this grief to experts who shove money anywhere except their country. However, funds are not measured in state bonds, I am silent about benefits and pensions.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 24 March 2016 20: 56
            -1
            Quote: dmi.pris
            This is a SYSTEM .. GDP has no desire to break this stone slab, which has piled on our state. Unfortunately, in economic matters, he completely believes (or depends) on the liberals of Sobchak’s bottling ..


            Again, faith in a good king.
            Right now, a good king will come, he will correct us.
            Ага.
            So it was in the 80-th, and in the 90-th.
            and in tsarist Russia.
            And now it continues.
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 24 March 2016 21: 15
              +8
              Quote: mav1971
              Right now, a good king will come, he will correct us.

              What's not to like about the current one? Putin is a normal president, in any case compared to the "drunkard" Yeltsin and his gang of thieves Chubais Gaidar Nemtsov. And if again, God forbid, the so-called liberals break through to power, then the country and all of us will already be able to wave a pen because there will not be Russia itself, not its population.
        2. SAG
          SAG 24 March 2016 23: 43
          +1
          .But in the state bonds we do not measure funds.

          What are you talking about ?! The amount of US debt securities has been steadily decreasing for 10 years already!
          Among the countries of the holders, in 2015 we are only in 14th place after Ireland and Singapore !!!
        3. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 25 March 2016 04: 25
          +1
          Recently there was an article on VO, which stated that the personnel situation at Sevmash was very difficult. This is a big problem for our society, since the lost values ​​are restored for many years. To change the educational system, we need Will, not only the country's leadership, but all of us! First of all, taking into account the upcoming elections to the State Duma ... Not to sit in holes, but to participate in meetings with candidates, to probe their essence and intentions. Well, and vote accordingly. Otherwise, nothing will change, everything will only get worse.
          As for the ships, it’s time to understand that squandering what we have, we have no moral right! Not to the Indians, to anyone else.
      3. sever.56
        sever.56 24 March 2016 18: 10
        +30
        "Lenta.ru" with reference to "Gazeta.ru", which received information from a "source" in the Ministry of Defense ... Fucking "authoritative" publications, little different from "Dozhd" and "Echo of Moscow" !!! And their "source" is not "Baba Nyura", who is cleaning the offices and spying on papers with top-secret information that the sloven admiral left on the table?
        I think that of course there are problems with the construction of such a number of nuclear submarines, and there may be delays in the timing, but not so catastrophic.
        I do not believe in such "muddy" sources of information as "Lenta.ru" and "Gazeta.ru" ...
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 24 March 2016 18: 20
          +7
          Quote: sever.56
          I do not believe in such "muddy" sources of information as "Lenta.ru" and "Gazeta.ru" ...

          ... I agree ... OBS complete ...
          sends a message to Lenta.ru "Gazeta.ru". "The first group - Borey - will actually be completed by the end of 2021, and the GPV on Ash is shifting to the right right up to 2023," a source in the defense complex told the publication.
          ... Anonymity is the main informant ... well, and still a fantasy and a powerful loudspeaker ... liberals, however ... what to take from them ... hi
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 24 March 2016 18: 28
            +7
            "Echo of a bunch of Moscow" !!! negative
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 24 March 2016 18: 22
          +8
          Quote: sever.56
          I do not believe in such "muddy" sources of information as "Lenta.ru" and "Gazeta.ru".

          I agree with you! How can one believe such a newspaper in which such odious "personalities" were noted:
          “Columnists have always occupied a special place in Gazeta.Ru.” Later, they included Natalia Oss, Anton Dolin, Fedor Lukyanov, Irina Yasina, Andrey Rodionov, Sergey Aleksashenko, Semyon Novoprudsky, Alexander Auzan, Georgy Bovt, Natalia Gevorkyan, Julia Latynina, Bozena Rynska and many others".
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0.Ru
        3. Asadullah
          Asadullah 24 March 2016 18: 24
          +3
          I do not believe in such "muddy" sources of information as "Lenta.ru" and "Gazeta.ru" ...


          I don’t believe it either. On the other hand, a delay of three years, with such a program, is nothing at all, because the bulk of the objects will already be afloat. It turns out that only 15% of the program does not meet the deadline. And then, as they say, the grandmother said in two, through the lips of "unnamed" sources. By the way, the disclosure of such is already a criminal case. Most likely there is nothing to divulge.
          1. edge
            edge 24 March 2016 18: 36
            +3
            Quote: Asadullah
            a delay of three years, with such a program, it’s nothing at all

            and about nothing; -H. Clinton said on the pre-merises, -that in connection with the increased danger of the eruption of the Yellowstone volcano ... America is considering the option of resettling its citizens to Ukraine (is it because of this that the Arab spring began and global chaos unfolded), In addition, dock-type ships of the "America" ​​type, similar to the Mistral, capable of transporting at least 3000 people, are being intensively built.
            1. Yura
              Yura 24 March 2016 20: 02
              +1
              Quote: hert
              H. Clinton stated the primaries,
              In this statement, this madame did not say what will happen to the indigenous population of Ukraine, the same as with the Indians of America or did they come up with something else for skukras (jumping Ukrainians).
        4. Asadullah
          Asadullah 24 March 2016 18: 26
          +5
          PS It’s just right to recall that these publications wrote about the objects of the Olympics in Sochi.
        5. Alexey Z.
          Alexey Z. 24 March 2016 18: 30
          +2
          So I also think .... I would like to read it all on the official website of the Ministry of Defense, when it is said by a person authorized to make such statements, from which you can then ask. But not so .... "one locksmith with an electrician in the smoking room of Sevmash discussed the program of the military-industrial complex." stop
          1. edge
            edge 24 March 2016 18: 42
            0
            Quote: Alexey Z.
            I would like to read it all on the official website of the Ministry of Defense, when it is said by a person authorized for such statements

            perhaps if this is true, then delays may be associated with rearmament ..... ours began testing hypersonic racket
        6. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 24 March 2016 18: 40
          +2
          Quote: sever.56
          and delays are possible, but not so catastrophic.

          We consider, according to the year on Borey and Ash-tree = 8 years so just up to 2024 and this is still optimistic
      4. tol100v
        tol100v 24 March 2016 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Unfortunately, you are right, now we need to catch up and train the staff.

        You need to train personnel. And it is necessary that the cadres less believed "Gazetenka.ru"!
        1. cniza
          cniza 24 March 2016 18: 25
          +6
          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: cniza
          Unfortunately, you are right, now we need to catch up and train the staff.

          You need to train personnel. And it is necessary that the cadres less believed "Gazetenka.ru"!



          Nobody trusts the newsreel with the tape, but with the frames, it’s really not all as good as we would like.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 24 March 2016 18: 35
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            Nobody trusts the newsreel with the tape, but with the frames, it’s really not all as good as we would like.

            ... on the example of "Yantar" ... personnel were trained in their free time on the Indian order ... which made it possible to work already on the order of the Ministry of Defense ... Sincerely ...
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        3. anfil
          anfil 25 March 2016 05: 23
          +1
          Nuuuuuu if the ruuuuu newspaper reported this, then of course it’s, well, not without it, of course, if you raise a question and immediately drop it, then raise it and sharpen it right away, then of course it’s not without that!
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    3. DMB_95
      DMB_95 24 March 2016 18: 00
      0
      If only they were not sold to India. And then there are already plans.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 March 2016 18: 14
        +2
        If only they were not sold to India. And then there are already plans.

        Do not carry nonsense. The Indians simply expressed a desire to rent Ash. You draw where they were sent with their desires? winked
        1. DMB_95
          DMB_95 24 March 2016 18: 47
          +2
          In mid-December 2015, negotiations were held in Moscow on the long-term lease of Ash. They were attended by the Prime Minister of India. The second round of negotiations will take place in April. Were you informed of their results in advance? Draw winked
        2. Jack-b
          Jack-b 24 March 2016 18: 59
          +2
          Quote: Wiruz
          Indians just expressed a desire to rent Ash

          I doubt that the Indians asked for Ash. Not if they were offered, they certainly would not have refused. But they are not such as not to understand that no one will give Ash to them now. We are most likely talking about other types or about distant prospects. All infa on the network refers to "anonymous sources" and "negotiations on the lease of a nuclear submarine, possibly Yasene." IMHO it's all fake.
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 24 March 2016 19: 07
            +3
            This info is posted on this site today. I also don’t want Ash to be given.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 24 March 2016 19: 51
            +1
            Another "Nerpa" project 971.
        3. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 24 March 2016 22: 50
          0
          But not just Indians, but Indians, Indians - these are the indigenous peoples of America.
    4. FenH
      FenH 24 March 2016 18: 06
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well, the consequences of the bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s come out ... sad
      But at least it pleases that now it is realized and even with a delay, but new nuclear-powered ships will turn out ...

      We don’t store what we have, but we’ve lost it. It was immediately clear that they didn’t have time.
    5. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 March 2016 18: 10
      +3
      Gazeta.ru: Boreas and Ash Trees Will Not Be Built Timely

      So it was immediately clear. After all, they initially promised 8 Boreans by the year 2018 (yes, not by 2020) and 7 Ash-trees by 2020. Even if it took 4 years to build the submarine (which is very optimistic), they still wouldn’t have time. Where so much power to take ?! lol
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 24 March 2016 18: 32
        +8
        Gazeta.ru: Boreas and Ash Trees Will Not Be Built Timely

        Well, the newspaper, I’m lying, there’s just such an authoritative source, there’s simply nowhere to go, on the bench Baba Shura and Baba Nyura have very valuable information from them, these newspapers seem to derive information from them.
    6. guzik007
      guzik007 24 March 2016 18: 14
      +3
      But at least it pleases that
      -------------------------
      it pleases at least that it was enough to conscience to recognize, and not as it used to be, to launch water on the anniversary of the next congress with imperfections, and there grass does not grow.
      Let it be longer, but with a guarantee.
    7. avt
      avt 24 March 2016 18: 17
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      but get new nuclear-powered ships ...

      Wait a bit. Of course there is a chance of a shift to the right, however
      Gazeta.ru message
      The newspaper is lying such authority with reputable
      said the publication of a source in the defense complex.
      wassat Direct almighty such a source, as in the joke - "It's dark like a moor in the ass." "And that's all you ...." source "you know, you've been everywhere." wassat That's how I happened to visit Obninsk last summer - marimanov is not unlike the 90s on the street in uniform.
    8. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 24 March 2016 19: 36
      -1
      Rurikovich
      Well, the consequences of the orgy and privatization of the 90s come out ... sad
      But at least it pleases that now it is realized and even with a delay, but new nuclear-powered ships will turn out ...


      the source of information is, to put it mildly, still finite winked
      but in any case, after the show that the country survived in 90, it’s good that at least something will be shredded even though with problems and with a delay. at that moment under Yeltsin, I thought that all the khan was everything and in a fit of euphoria and a race for a long ruble, these librettists at all sawed and cut to the joy of overseas (partners))))
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    10. Maksus
      Maksus 24 March 2016 21: 53
      +1
      Who would doubt that. Given the latest developments in the economy, these terms are unlikely to be real. Too many global projects - Vostochny, bridge to Crimea, football championship (not needed in FIG).
    11. Pancho
      Pancho 24 March 2016 23: 06
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well, the consequences of the bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s

      Since then, 16 years have passed, and during such a period the USSR has completely recovered after you know what war and launched the first man into space, with all that it implies. Draw conclusions.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 24 March 2016 23: 18
        +1
        Quote: Pancho
        Since then, 16 years have passed, and during such a period the USSR has completely recovered after you know what war and launched the first man into space, with all that it implies. Draw conclusions.

        But there is only one conclusion - the leader. The leader of the state, who is not afraid to do what is needed. JV Stalin knew what needed to be done and did. The question is, will the current leaders have enough to do what is really needed? ... request
    12. lelikas
      lelikas 24 March 2016 23: 51
      +5
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Well, the consequences of the bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s come out ...

      Aha - and the death of a person is the consequences of his birth. As it is too late to blame for the 90s - is not it? It is high time to seek and punish new "heroes".
  2. FID
    FID 24 March 2016 17: 56
    +10
    What corny no workers? It’s a pity, this is always the case here - smoothly only on paper! But it is VERY necessary to rearm!
    1. family tree
      family tree 24 March 2016 18: 09
      +6
      Quote: SSI
      What corny no workers?

      The son, after the armeyka, got a job at SevMash turning. The day before yesterday without work, yesterday "deadline", two details, and they have a deal. So there is a thought back, under a contract to aviation, to Severomorsk-1, since there is still a tie what
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 March 2016 17: 58
    +3
    Damn, you do not have enough Lyuli, not power! angry These boats are desperately needed!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 March 2016 18: 06
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Damn, you do not have enough Lyuli, not power!

      There is not enough time machine (1937)! wink
      P.S. Hi Lech!
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 March 2016 08: 48
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        P.S. Hi Lech!


        Greetings Igor! For a long time in one branch did not intersect! drinks
  4. AndreyS
    AndreyS 24 March 2016 17: 58
    +8
    Lord! And I would not believe this newspaper. Newspaper ru very often spreads liberal nonsense and vangs in the style of USE LOST !!!!!
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 24 March 2016 18: 06
      +3
      And unbeknownst to the disease that everything disappears from liberalism, such a vicious circle.
  5. NDR-791
    NDR-791 24 March 2016 18: 00
    -4
    "The first group -" Borey "- will actually be completed by the end of 2021, and the GPV on" Ash "is shifting to the right right up to 2023"
    Here the keywords are "Mace" and "Onyx". A simple example - on fairly old boats, "calibers" are quite worth it. Here, too, such a feint with the ears is quite possible. And let the bumps heal, our boats are being repaired with rusty iron, or the Onyxes are being installed.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 March 2016 18: 20
      +1
      The rearmament to Caliber has only just begun and is proceeding quite slowly. Here, I remind you, the bottom line is that Caliber can be launched through standard 533mm torpedo tubes. Onyxes, you cannot even drive a sledgehammer into these same TAs - very pot-bellied, only VPU - only hardcore! And from submarines, only Ash and Antei can be armed with them.

      PySy: And where Onyx stands today, there will be Zircon tomorrow, to which, on the side of the president’s account, the American aircraft carrier will be named winked
      1. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 24 March 2016 18: 33
        0
        You are not right . Onyx can also run through 533 mm. And it is armed with 636 boats as an opposed ship option.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 24 March 2016 19: 24
          +2
          You are not right . Onyx can also run through 533 mm. And it is armed with 636 boats as an opposed ship option.

          Kindly, please describe in detail how exactly you will launch a missile with a diameter of 533 m through a 0,67 mm TA? Illustrations are welcome hi
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 24 March 2016 21: 22
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            You are not right . Onyx can also run through 533 mm. And it is armed with 636 boats as an opposed ship option.

            Kindly, please describe in detail how exactly you will launch a missile with a diameter of 533 m through a 0,67 mm TA? Illustrations are welcome hi

            I don’t know how, but the ISIS Varshavyanka launched calibers from the upper TA. I don’t know there.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 24 March 2016 21: 56
              +1
              Quote: Muvka
              I don’t know how, but Varshavyanka on ISIS launched calibers

              Caliber and Onyx are not the same thing - all missiles of the Caliber family are 533 mm in diameter.
              The universal ship’s firing complex complex 3S14 (UKKS) is designed for missiles of a larger diameter and can fire both, and TA can only use 533 mm.
            2. Wiruz
              Wiruz 24 March 2016 22: 58
              +2
              How to understand from the upper TA? At Project 636 there are only six TAs and only four of them can fire cruise missiles. Why dont know. But Onyx has nothing to do with it. He stupidly does not fit in TA.

              And if you don’t know, then why say that I’m wrong?
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 March 2016 18: 55
        0
        That rearmament is going on quite successfully. A simple example from life: In 2007 (TEN YEARS AGO !!!) I installed a fire alarm at one of our factories (the plant is positioned as medical equipment and petrochemicals). At the "stand" they worked in the presence of the production manager, chief engineer and "a representative of what is needed." At the same time, the woman left under the control of the department just howled like a beluga - "whoever you let in here, I have 200 (TWO) items of classified products !!!
  6. MARK
    MARK 24 March 2016 18: 01
    +3
    The newspaper.ru is not an authority, although there are problems and everyone understands what ... But as they say it is not yet evening! hi The country's defense capability is now in the first place (Russia allowed itself to speak with the United States on an equal footing, and even more so ..) I think Sevmash will not let you down, like Uralvagonzavod, etc.
  7. Yuri VO
    Yuri VO 24 March 2016 18: 02
    +1
    All will be. The flywheel is slowly but untwisted with good acceleration.
    1. COJIDAT
      COJIDAT 24 March 2016 18: 11
      +1
      The main thing is that no one wound))
    2. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 March 2016 18: 13
      +2
      The more such moods among the people, the longer the submarines will be built fool
  8. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 24 March 2016 18: 02
    +3
    Well, what can I say, depressing news. Unfortunately, "Ash" and "Borei" can only be built by "Sevmash". It is necessary to modernize the Amur Shipyard and lay nuclear submarines there for the Pacific Fleet.
    1. avt
      avt 24 March 2016 18: 25
      +5
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      Well what can I say, depressing news.

      Just the same horror Newspaper lying caught up? Here in Odessa, grief is so grief
      Odessa prosecutor’s office is investigating the disappearance of a large export batch of bull sperm worth 85,27 million hryvnia, according to the decision of the Seaside Court of Odessa.
      wassat That's what Coma Saa ... ah! What a man! Soaked. One thing is not clear - whether he stole, the roofing felts were stolen from him. wassat
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 24 March 2016 18: 55
        +2
        Quote: avt
        . One thing is not clear - whether he stole, the roofing felts were stolen from him

        However, cocktails of distinguished guests from the United States went, if not with mother’s milk, then with this gene pool too))))
  9. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 24 March 2016 18: 02
    +4
    And Gazeta.ru is glad to ass, it’s yellow is yellow, just to push the muck about Russia out.
  10. Abbra
    Abbra 24 March 2016 18: 04
    0
    Something we all went together altogether ... The newspaper sets the terms for the construction of submarines !!!! I won’t be surprised if they are handed over before the deadline indicated by the newspaper.
    1. Derfuchs
      Derfuchs 24 March 2016 18: 10
      -1
      newspaper refers to the source
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 24 March 2016 18: 11
        0
        Sources cost less than a toilet roll. And if something is worth it, then these sources, taken together, must be urgently planted.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 24 March 2016 18: 31
          +2
          And if something is worth it, then these sources, taken together, must be urgently planted.

          Well yes! bully
          We’ll sit them all and sit on the couch to watch PatriotTV, about how good our Ash trees are and how bad American Virginia drinks
          And do not care that Virginia built 12 pieces (30 in mind), and Ash tree built 1 piece (God forbid 7 in mind) wassat
          In the neighboring state, in such cases it is customary to shout PEREMOGA !!! good
          1. arnulla
            arnulla 24 March 2016 18: 45
            0
            And we should have 12 ash-trees? That, as at Americans? And our economy will pull? Russia cannot take with numbers, only with skill
            1. Strezhevchanin
              Strezhevchanin 24 March 2016 18: 58
              +1
              Quote: arnulla
              And we should have 12 ash trees

              And how many of them should be and how many of them are in fact only these characters will tell you ???
            2. Wiruz
              Wiruz 24 March 2016 19: 18
              +1
              And we should have 12 ash-trees? That, as at Americans? And our economy will pull? Russia cannot take with numbers, only with skill

              We must have a sufficient number of atomic submarines in the ocean zone to constantly monitor the vastness of the oceans, monitor the SSBNs of potential adversaries and perform a number of other tasks, which we probably don’t even know about.
              I even doubt that 12 submarines will be enough. More precisely not so, I have no doubt that 12 submarines will not be enough. The legacy of the Soviet submarine fleet does not last forever - a replacement is needed.


              As for me, two projects of ocean-going nuclear submarines are needed - one to replace Antei, paired with Yasen, which is a carrier of a large number of cruise missiles for striking the ground and surface ships; the second is a relatively small submarine, a kind of ocean predator, without VPU, but with Caliber-PL, mainly for observing enemy submarines.

              Judging by some statements by the Defense Ministry, our admirals believe in the same way good
        2. Derfuchs
          Derfuchs 24 March 2016 21: 00
          -4
          Is this life worth little and how does that newspaper differ from this?
        3. Derfuchs
          Derfuchs 24 March 2016 21: 00
          -1
          Is this life worth little and how does that newspaper differ from this?
  11. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 24 March 2016 18: 09
    +4
    Found a source ...) Gazeta.ru - a stronghold of white-bellies aka bulk.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 March 2016 18: 10
    0
    Even if you believe this newspaper, there will be a shortage of Boreev - a couple of pieces, and three Ash trees. Not deadly, albeit unpleasant. But I do not believe in this either. Now the defense order is VERY tightly tracked. There are no tribunals, as during the Second World War, but there are already chances to get a term.
  13. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 24 March 2016 18: 10
    +1
    most likely it’s not a matter of capacities or trained crews - this is solved! But with components from contractors. the same GAS, reactors, GTZA, etc. is it extremely bad with this? However, with Bulava too? We'll wait and see and hope for the best, overcoming the worst, which should already remain in the nineties-zero! The ships should try, but the Fleet will not let you down !!!
  14. cosmos-PS
    cosmos-PS 24 March 2016 18: 12
    +2
    No wonder. Boreas and especially Ash are very complex complexes! And Ash is generally a masterpiece of art. Personnel is certainly not enough. But they are being replenished, albeit slowly. If the delay is three years, this is bearable. Only the main thing is that the infrastructure should be developed in parallel. It is necessary to use the shipyards in the Far East. They also develop and engage in the production of such complex complexes.
  15. Kelwin
    Kelwin 24 March 2016 18: 12
    +1
    Interestingly, the editor-in-chief of gazeta.ru will have time to guess that he leaked the marked disu before they come for him? heh))
  16. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 March 2016 18: 14
    +3
    This is called cuckoo. Why kukuem. Which means "will not be built on time." The whole program to the last PL is one thing. And all the PL is different.
    What is the message about?
    By the end of the term, how much will we not receive? In grams?
    And stop shagging your grandmother!
  17. Flinky
    Flinky 24 March 2016 18: 15
    +3
    I do not believe either the Tape, and even more so the newspaper. Both resources are distinguished by yellowness and tumbling.
  18. _NortoN_
    _NortoN_ 24 March 2016 18: 17
    +3
    albeit with a delay, the main process has started and it cannot be stopped already, and there the gledish and the series will continue soldier
  19. Havoc
    Havoc 24 March 2016 18: 20
    +1
    We do not know at what stage in the design of the fifth-generation Husky boat, at what stage in the development of hyper sonic missiles for them. So maybe so many boats "Borey" and "Ash" will no longer be needed.
  20. atamankko
    atamankko 24 March 2016 18: 26
    +1
    The military-industrial complex should work like a clock - a chronometer,
    and the Russian government should start the watch.
  21. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 24 March 2016 18: 36
    +1
    "The first group - Borey - will actually be completed by the end of 2021, and the GPV on Ash is shifting to the right right up to 2023," a source in the defense complex told the publication.

    And to me another "source" in the defense complex confirmed my idea that the first source already tells what intelligence he works for and how many betrayals he committed. In general - "one woman said"
  22. Nymp
    Nymp 24 March 2016 18: 40
    0
    Such "sources" as lenta.ru will die if they do not throw a fly in the ointment into a common barrel of honey. The author has a huge minus for advertising the librarian press.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 24 March 2016 19: 12
      0
      Quote: Nymp
      Such "sources" as lenta.ru will die if they do not throw a fly in the ointment into a common barrel of honey. The author has a huge minus for advertising the librarian press.

      Let them bark! Now even though they are not cut directly on the slipway, this is a huge achievement! Now + a year + two this is never, so there is less foam.
  23. arnulla
    arnulla 24 March 2016 18: 40
    0
    In principle, this was clear before. A shift for a couple of years is not critical. And strategists and ash trees are new developments in their own way. And new things always come with a creak. The times of the Stalin five-year plans have passed. Maybe, unfortunately ...
  24. flay
    flay 24 March 2016 18: 43
    -1
    Quote: SEERs
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Well, the consequences of the bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s come out ... sad
    But at least it pleases that now it is realized and even with a delay, but new nuclear-powered ships will turn out ...

    there is such a thing ...
    but "gazeta.ru" is also a source of "independent" information. those. those are still experts


    Even if it does. Now what with the screams "the chef is gone chef"Don't build submarines, don't live, don't arm yourself? Yes big You newspaper.ru and roll out and we will do and live laughing
  25. Odysseus
    Odysseus 24 March 2016 18: 49
    +1
    The newspaper ru, of course, is an enemy source, but in this case, unfortunately, they are right. The terms for both Borey and Ashen are shifted to the right.
    But these are not mythical aircraft carriers and semi-mythical destroyers Leader, these are two of the most important programs of the Navy.
    According to the strategists: 667BDR, and so they are pulling orphans for the sake of, but they are not eternal, they will need to be written off until 2020. After 2020, the deadline for 667BDRM will come up. So the delay on the Boreas threatens to weaken the entire group of strategists.
    According to the NPS, things are even worse, nominally enough old boats are in the fleet, but de facto they are under maintenance / repair, so there will be no more boats in the SPL of boats with a gulkin nose.
    Conclusion - you need to focus all attention, all the capabilities of the shipbuilding industry (with corresponding attention to personnel) on the implementation of these two state programs with the appointment of those specifically responsible for their implementation.
  26. kmv.km
    kmv.km 24 March 2016 19: 04
    +1
    Not nice, of course, but not critical.
    Thank God, there is no question of a QUANTITATIVE reduction of the program, pah pah pah and knock on wood 33 times ... (this is already a tradition, the deadlines must be missed, but traditions must be followed, "blackish" just kidding of course). You can endure for three years!

    And THERE Z.P. A WELDER AT SEVMASH IN 200 CU. THIS IS CRITICAL AND CRIMINAL !!! With such a payment for Labor, neither the appointment of "personal responsible" will help, even shoot them, even "unscrew" their heads, nor "PRODUCTION CAPACITIES" - there will simply be no one to create them !!!
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 March 2016 20: 08
      +2
      Quote: kmv.km
      And THERE Z.P. WELDER ON SEVMASH 200 U.E.

      Something I doubt about 200ue, on the Admiralty there are STRONGLY more and not enough.
      If only the management of Sevmash did not awaken.
  27. Kirill750
    Kirill750 24 March 2016 19: 10
    0
    well, there is not enough capacity, we’ll survive, but who will say there IS specialists or again we will have young specialists on pensioners, or what? Yes, and specialists pay what kind of offices and directors I don’t ask, they don’t ask, but the hard workers are YES
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 March 2016 20: 14
      +2
      I think for retirees, the admiralty target set is exactly the fifth (maybe more) year at the State Technical University of Ukraine. In principle, there are already young people, but what do you entrust to an engineer from a student's bench? Another 5 years and the engineer will be fine, but I don’t know about the workers ...
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  28. sir_obs
    sir_obs 24 March 2016 19: 20
    0
    The newspaper ru-foreign agent, liberal to the bone, exists with the money of the State Department, if someone does not know
  29. klopik4
    klopik4 24 March 2016 20: 22
    -9
    Why do we need 8 Boreev with Bulava missiles and 7 Ashen with Onyx missiles?
    1. kmv.km
      kmv.km 24 March 2016 20: 38
      +4
      For life!!!
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 24 March 2016 20: 40
      +1
      Quote: klopik4
      Why do we need 8 Boreev with Bulava missiles and 7 Ashen with Onyx missiles?

      Then, if we do not build them, then in 10 years Russia, in general, will be left without nuclear submarines. You cannot endlessly parasitize on Soviet reserves (along the way, cursing the "ineffective scoop"). Sooner or later, they end.
    3. mav1971
      mav1971 24 March 2016 21: 05
      +1
      Quote: klopik4
      Why do we need 8 Boreev with Bulava missiles and 7 Ashen with Onyx missiles?


      That was.
      What would the country be and the people be.
  30. klopik4
    klopik4 24 March 2016 20: 47
    -8
    Quote: Odyssey
    Russia, in general, will be left without nuclear submarines.

    We have several SU-24 aircraft (sorry-1), we will repulse ourselves from the adversaries somehow!
  31. klopik4
    klopik4 24 March 2016 21: 14
    -6
    Quote: mav1971
    Quote: klopik4
    Why do we need 8 Boreev with Bulava missiles and 7 Ashen with Onyx missiles?


    That was.
    What would the country be and the people be.


    The Ombudsman refers to data from the Ministry of Labor that the number of Russians with incomes below the subsistence level over the past year has increased by 3 million people - up to 19 million, with 60% to 70% of people below the poverty line - families with children.
    For 2015, "the largest gap between the rich and the poor in Russia was noted in Moscow (39,3%), the Chechen Republic (40,1%) and the Republic of Dagestan (38,6%)." In Russia, as analysts note, one of the highest rates of social stratification is observed, only in China this level is higher.
    "The indicator of the ratio of the average incomes of 10% of the most and 10% of the least well-off strata of the population increased from 4,5 times in 1990 to 16,5 times in 2013, in 2015 this indicator slightly decreased. At the same time, since 2000, poverty has been decreasing, and Economic inequality is on the rise. If current trends continue, by 2017, income inequality between the top 10% and the bottom line could rise from 16,5% to 20%, "the report says.
    As for the "middle class", the real number of citizens belonging to it in Russia is estimated at 15% (with the norm of a developed state at 60-80%), the report specifies.
    “One cannot but cause concern about the growing disproportions in access to quality education, which aggravates the emerging social inequality. This is especially true for preschool education, which currently covers from 65% to 90% of preschool children in different constituent entities of the Russian Federation, and this indicator fluctuates within the same federal district, "the report says.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20160323/1395039979.html#ixzz43qTnIwIT
  32. 23424636
    23424636 24 March 2016 21: 25
    -1
    I read the article of course crap. What can I say about the 20s if the war 1000 km from Moscow does not abate My opinion is the lack of organization of production - let it be a gigantic production at the same factory, it’s difficult to build two types of boats at the same time and it’s difficult and dangerous from the point of view of the technical process to compare the fact that someone can do it differently in terms of time and quality is a disease of a monopolist. There were smart people in the USSR and they knew that there should be doubles factories on any topic. And in the USC somewhere they did not cut short or ignored the Amur Shipbuilding Plant that made 971 boats of the project in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, that’s part of the program and give it to him if the deadlines rip off and this is all over the place on the giants. I remember how the mill 5000 for Belaya Kalitva was buried or the forging press for Energomashspetsstal was 45 thousand tons or the Stupinsky press was 75 thousand tons and all because of monopoly self-confidence. As for the personnel, then the Ukrainian workers if they are called will not be questioned. But DM Medvedev will come up with another a bar for Ukrainians hard workers from Russian-speaking Nikolaev and Kherson instead of a call to go and learn new jobs. In Ukraine, poverty and unemployment are all.
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 24 March 2016 22: 58
      +1
      And you chase up your current rulers, which provoke our rulers, maybe really not quite smart actions, and we will build together on time and how many submarines are needed, and not only submarines, but everything that is needed for a worthy life of our two peoples .
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 28 March 2016 19: 18
        0
        And you chase up your current rulers who provoke our rulers, perhaps, really to not quite smart actions

        Yes, they cannot, in the sense of ordinary citizens, just people, they cannot because the "Dulles plan" worked one hundred percent, because the soldering iron is in someone else's ... and in its own, two big differences, Odessa knows. We were drinking here, the other day, I can't look into those eyes, I have a close friend a crest, he is almost hysterical because of this shit - he does not understand at all what to do and how to live on. I apologize - his mother (she is 67 !, Kharkiv) was fucked * in her own entrance, not one of the neighbors even tried to interfere, although they heard him halfway through the entrance. I stupidly did not accept the request, they say, you collapsed from an oak tree ... Well, how can you drive it into one mug with a naked ass? The neighbors also finish you afterwards ..
  33. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 24 March 2016 21: 49
    0
    And this is the same Internet resource ... it states a fact ... or enjoy our problems !?
  34. klopik4
    klopik4 24 March 2016 22: 08
    -3
    Your leader listened to these numbers and did not blink an eye and you minus. laughing
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  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 March 2016 05: 03
    0
    The source is doubtful.
    He writes that a Turkish ship demolished the entire Kerch bridge.
    So ... Well, there is a problem and a simple injection of money does not solve it.
    You need to start with respect to defense workers.
    As an example, negative, the situation with our "Radiopribor".
    People 8 months without ZP, ok?
  37. Samarin
    Samarin 25 March 2016 05: 05
    0
    Quote: Rurikovich
    consequences of bacchanalia and privatization of the 90s ..

    how much more will we dump on the 90s? codes until the 50s?
  38. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 March 2016 06: 03
    +3
    We have only one "Sevmash" capable of making such vessels, so what you gentlemen in the government thought 10-15 years ago. Hang Ulyukaev together with Medvedev by the balls, I understand the plant will not appear from this, but science will be different, iPhones - iPhones, and factories - factories. Otherwise it turns out to be a paradox - there is a Ministry of Economic Development, but there is no economic development. And yet, for such things, let them return to the treasury the salary they received for the years that they failed.
  39. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 25 March 2016 08: 21
    +1
    Until they seriously quarrel with "effective managers" (how do they work and for whom?) There will be no sense! The results of the "privatization" of the dashing 90s will still have to be disassembled, and the sooner, the better for the country, and there is nothing to open their mouths to the "dollar elite", there are many official, legal ways to force them to "share" money with the country. There is no sense in the government from the liberals, the branches of production: factories and factories should be "steered" by professionals. State control and state participation in high-tech industries, the defense industry, petrochemical, shipbuilding, aircraft construction should remain and the state's share should be at least 51%. The chatter about the revival of the vocational technical education system should end and this year, it is time to move from words to deeds, I do not believe that it is impossible to develop a state, sufficiently effective, program to attract young people to production, to increase the interest in obtaining blue-collar occupations. The country's leadership must understand that paid education is the most "real opportunity" to leave the country without a future, which means simply to destroy it. Only the most worthy of young people should go to universities, the rest of the youth should build a life career, as it was in the USSR, through the vocational school system -production (including specialized technical schools) and then the university (if there are the makings of an organizer, work experience -system of the former Soviet Union of higher educational institutions in large industries) something like this.