In Rostov-on-Don, a passenger Boeing crashed

Passenger aircraft en route from Dubai fell to the left of the runway at Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility conditions. All Boeing passengers were Russians, the source said.
All those aboard the Boeing 737-800 were killed in the crash at the Rostov-on-Don airport, said RIA News source in the emergency services of the region.
The liner, coming from Dubai, fell to the left of the runway at the Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility conditions.
According to preliminary data from the investigation, the flight 981 of the airline Flu Dubai Dubai - Rostov crashed to 3: 40 Moscow time.
According to the source, all the passengers of the flight were Russians, the crew were foreigners.
The investigative committee reported an explosion on board the crashed ship.
"After the plane touched the ground, an explosion occurred," the investigation department reported.
EMERCOM of Russia has opened a "hot line" - 8-800-775-17-17. A group of psychologists has been sent to the airport.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

[The black]

Tragedy ... the kingdom of heaven to the lost. Land they rest in peace.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.
http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

According to Flightradar24.com, the aircraft 2 hours 9 minutes was in the airport waiting area before making a second attempt to land

Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov. Well, the question remains about the training of the crew of the Emirate low-cost airline. The board itself is new - 2011, a technical malfunction is unlikely.
Condolences to the relatives of the dead ...
PS From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

[PKK]

The pilot overestimated himself, it’s a shame to leave for Krasnodar. But aviation does not like fools. In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind, admittedly.

[krot]

One fact infuriates me! They fall mainly with us! Although in Europe, USA, Japan, the flight density is much higher!

[Tatyana]

GELEZNII_KAPUT
Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.
http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

Aircraft - this can be clearly seen in the video - fell almost 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface of the earth. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.
The reason is poor visibility and, for sure, the inexperience of a foreign crew. Foreign companies, as has been noticed for a long time, save money on the remuneration of highly professional pilots and replacing them with low-professional pilots - “gas workers” from the so-called underdeveloped countries. Most likely it was so. In extreme cases - a failure of technology.
People and the plane are sorry for everyone. The company will receive money for the insurance plane. But people can’t be returned to life and to families. This is very disappointing!
My condolences to the relatives of the victims!

[sub307]

“According to experts, there are three main versions of the tragedy: bad weather conditions, crew error and, possibly, equipment failure. landing at the airport of Rostov-on-Don For an unknown reason, the plane was in the waiting area for about two hours.The crash took place 737-800 meters to the left of the runway.
All 55 passengers and seven crew members were killed. "
http://rg.ru/2016/03/19/reg-ufo/nazvany-tri-osnovnyh-versii-krusheniia-lajnera-f
lydubai.html

[Dyagilev]

One expert writes: "... But I can say that as a pilot, I quite often flew to Rostov. I think that, of course, you cannot land a plane blindly at this airport." In other words, the airport in Rostov is equipped - except that the concrete bed was made.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: Dyagilev

One expert writes: "... But I can say that as a pilot, I quite often flew to Rostov. I think that, of course, you cannot land a plane blindly at this airport." In other words, the airport in Rostov is equipped - except that the concrete bed was made.

not that he THINKS is certainly proof ...
in general, Rostov is a large city and the port there is normal, given the density of flights ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Tatiana

Aircraft - this can be clearly seen in the video - fell almost 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface of the earth. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.

One guy gave a correct comment about the landing angle:
The glide path is a landing plane in the air immediately in front of the runway of the airfield. In order to enter the landing, each plane must go along the line located on the glide path. For modern passenger aircraft, the glide path angle to the runway is about two degrees. Access to the glide path at most aerodromes begins 15-20 kilometers before the end of the runway. Each liner receives permission to land from the dispatcher only when the aircraft is on the glide path. Immediately after entering the glide path, the chassis is also released. The word "glide path" in translation from French means "glide".

[Cook]

The angle of inclination of the glide path is usually 2gr. 40 "

[Pravdarm]

And on the news of Russia 24 on the video from some kind of surveillance camera (b / w) it is clearly visible that it is falling already HOT !!!

[iouris]

In heavy rain with the left roll of the sun, could the headlights give such a visual effect?
Dive angle - 40-50 degrees. Perhaps the fuel ran out or the plane reached supercritical angles of attack.
In any case, it is necessary to wait until the BSARP data and radio exchange are decrypted. It does not seem to be like a terrorist attack.

[netslave]

Judging by the explosion in the video, there was still fuel.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: Pravdarm

And on the news of Russia 24 on the video from some kind of surveillance camera (b / w) it is clearly visible that it is falling already HOT !!!

it does not fall burning, it falls at the end of the strip, i.e. headlights to the camera ...
in the rain, the headlights seem brighter ...

[Severok]

Usually, however, not for all types of passenger and transport vehicles, but admittedly, the difference is from five to several tens of minutes. The main glide path angle is 2 degrees, plus (as you described) forty, minus twenty minutes, if memory serves.
I sympathize with the relatives of the victims.

[FID]

Quote: Oleg147741

Access to the glide path at most aerodromes begins 15-20 kilometers before the end of the runway. Each liner receives permission to land from the dispatcher only when the aircraft is on the glide path. Immediately after entering the glide path, the chassis is also released. The word "glide path" in translation from French means "glide".

You are somewhat free to handle distances with a landing permit ... Here, from the instrumental landing instructions:

The crew is informed at regular intervals about the position of the aircraft relative to the descent path, the approach to the entry point to the glide path, the beginning of the descent, and the achievement of the decision altitude (DH).

The landing permit must be transferred on board the aircraft before the aircraft reaches the point located two miles from the touchdown point.

Approach control is terminated when the aircraft reaches the intersection of the glide path with a minimum height of flight over obstacles. Nevertheless, information is transmitted on board the aircraft until the aircraft reaches the threshold of the runway.

The provision of information may be terminated when the aircraft crew reports on visual observation of the runway or approaching lights, however, the dispatcher should be constantly ready to take control of the approach at the request of the crew.

The dispatcher can give a command to leave for the second round:

1. If the aircraft is in a dangerous position at the final stage of the approach.

2. If there is no way to give permission to land (busy runway).

The dispatcher may indicate the advisability of leaving for the second round:

1. If the aircraft is in a position where the successful completion of the approach is not guaranteed.

2. If the aircraft is not visible on the radar screen at a distance of 2 miles from the touchdown point.

3. If there is any doubt about the location of the aircraft in any part of the final stage of the approach.

In all these cases, the reasons determining the instructions of the dispatcher must be communicated to the crew.

After a failed approach, the dispatcher must re-launch the aircraft for landing.

The point of entry into the glide path is -2 miles from the "touchdown (landing) point" is 3.2 km ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: SSI

You are somewhat free to handle distances with a landing permit ... Here, from the instrumental landing instructions:

Accepted, thanks!

[roman_pilot]

The point of entry into the glide path depends on the height of the entrance, the higher the farther. In Rostov, the entrance height is 600 meters, the glide path is 2,67 degrees, i.e. glide path entry occurs at a distance of about 6 miles from the end of the runway.

[Cook]

I'm sorry, Sergey Ivanovich, the crew must request and get permission to land before the aircraft approaches 3700m to the landing point, the so-called short final. At this point, the aircraft should already be in the glide path, its configuration should be landing (i.e. the landing gear is released, the wing is mechanized in the landing position), the position of the aircraft relative to the runway should ensure a safe landing. That is, the entrance to the glide path and obtaining permission to land are two different points.

[FID]

Quote: Cook

That is, the entrance to the glide path and obtaining permission to land are two different points

I cited a quote from the instructions for instrumental landing (Ilsovskaya) and it says - "until THAT ... 2 miles" - this is about permission to land, i.e. the plane is already in landing configuration. It's just that Oleg147741 has a distance of 15-20 km ...

[Cook]

The distance from the entry point to the glide path to the end of the runway is specified in the approach pattern for each specific airport. It happens at such a distance, as indicated by Oleg 174741. For example, at the airport Magadan (Sokol), the entrance to the glide path with landing 104 is provided at a distance of 16,5 km. Although, usually of course less.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Tatiana

Aircraft - this is clearly visible on the video - fell almost at 60 degrees

glide path description below.

[pilot bin-bom]

I sympathize with the families of the victims.
As for the air traffic control service of the airport, let them buy aviation rules from Belarus:
“The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Ordinary flight procedures ”,
“The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Schemes using zonal navigation and schemes based on satellite systems ”;

Rules:
regulate the application of criteria for constructing instrumental approach procedures and typical aircraft take-off and approach procedures depending on the characteristics of aerodrome navigation equipment
provide increased flight safety, improved accuracy characteristics of the approach, reduced fuel consumption at the stage of approach,
improving the quality of the provision of dispatching services in nodal dispatch areas and dispatch zones.

[Nikolay K]

The wind was real with very strong gusts. And it’s down below, just a hurricane. In difficult weather conditions, the pilot apparently allowed a decrease in speed below the threshold, and the plane simply crashed down.

[Muvka]

Quote: krot

http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

Can I ask when the plane crashed last time?

[FID]

Quote: PKK

. In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind, admittedly.

I apologize, people fly poorly ... For airplanes, there are so-called weather minimums (headwind, tailwind, crosswind, visibility vertical and horizontal ...). With permissible minimums, the aircraft MUST land, provided that it is PILOTED !!!

[Rostov Papa]

Yesterday in Rostov there was a storm warning, wind up to 30 m / s, they blew on all local channels and sent SMS. Why did not close the airport a big question.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Rostov Dad

Why did not close the airport a big question.

if interested on this subject - article
http://skynav.ru/pax/meteo/
Flying and non-flying weather.
Absolutely non-flying weather from the point of view of a passenger can be only a minor inconvenience for the pilot, while at the same time, quite tolerable weather in the traditional sense can be non-flying.
completely here:
http://skynav.ru/pax/meteo/

[askort154]

Rostov Papa .... Yesterday in Rostov there was a storm warning, the wind was up to 30 m / s, they trumpeted all local channels and sent SMS. Why the airport was not closed is a big question.

Airports are not closed downwind.
Each type of aircraft has its own restrictions on "wind": "headwind", "sidewind" and "tailwind", depending on the coefficient of friction on the runway. And also the maximum value of the wind speed for the operation of this aircraft. Example: Maximum values ​​for "dry" runway for Tu-154, oncoming 35 m / s, lateral - 15 m / s, passing-5 m / s.
The crew itself calculates the limit values ​​depending on the friction coefficient on the runway and makes decisions on take-off or landing.

[Dryuya2]

large debris is not visible at all.
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19.03/2016/XNUMX Video from the crash site

[alone]

Quote: askort154

Why did not close the airport a big question.

And yet. According to reports, the 2,5 aircraft circled for about an hour, waiting for permission to land. Interestingly, during this time it was difficult to send it to another airport? There are almost a dozen such airports in the vicinity.

[kotvov]

.It is interesting, during this time it was difficult to send him to another airport ?,
The commander of the SAM vessel resolves this issue.

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: lonely

Quote: askort154

Why did not close the airport a big question.

And yet. According to reports, the 2,5 aircraft circled for about an hour, waiting for permission to land. Interestingly, during this time it was difficult to send it to another airport? There are almost a dozen such airports in the vicinity.

not difficult, and he was offered ...
but the low-coster saved money, that's all ...

[alone]

Quote: DanaF1

not difficult, and he was offered ...
but the low-coster saved money, that's all ...

Hmm ... saved up. And "diots

[Danafxnumx]

Quote: Rostov Dad

Yesterday in Rostov there was a storm warning, wind up to 30 m / s, they blew on all local channels and sent SMS. Why did not close the airport a big question.

because such weather is not supercritical ...
in such conditions, the decision on landing is made by the PIC and only he, and the airport is closed when, for example, at the 20 runway see water ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

I immediately remembered the catastrophe in Kazan, where the Boeing just cut into the ground, almost vertically.
And also leaving for the second round.

[16112014nk]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

I immediately remembered the catastrophe in Kazan, where the Boeing just cut into the ground, almost vertically.
And also leaving for the second round.

In Kazan, watermelon-321 actually fell. But horseradish radish is not sweeter. People are still sorry. Imagine what people experienced at the time of the fall. Himself once got with his wife in an almost similar situation, well, except for the fall. They flew from Egypt to Babodedovo, and near Tula circles began to be cut: Tula-Ryazan-Kaluga, and this whole thing was with a plane shaking. Some kind of cyclone passed through Moscow. About 40-50 minutes circled. Wife today immediately remembered how she sat, clutching the arms of a chair.

[novobranets]

Quote: SSI

the plane is OBLIGED to land, on condition of a MILITARY PILOT !!!

A bit off topic, but that's what good pilots can do.

[TsUS-Air Force]

it's just a betrayal of throwing our boys to fly on such

[Revolver]

Quote: PKK

The pilot overestimated himself, a shame to leave for Krasnodar.

Approximately like the Polish TU-154 near Smolensk. Well, the truth is there, over the soul of the pilot, the reappraiser with big stars stood on uniform, and in the cabin the reappraiser of a rank even higher.

Quote: PKK

But aviation does not like fools.

Everyone believes that he is just not. But life shows who is who.

Quote: PKK

Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind

Yes, no worse than the TU-154 in the fog.

[Bayonet]

Quote: PKK

In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind.

Feels like "specialist"! Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to fence in nonsense with a clever look!

[Sashka]

In Krasnodar, the weather is no better, if not worse. The second day drizzles with strong gusts of wind. But I do not think that these unfavorable conditions are direct. And why did the ship enter the ground at an angle of about 45 degrees ?! This is where such attempts to land a ship are taught? Maybe the fuel ran out, then there should not have been such an explosion ... Good day to all.
PS Condolences to family and friends ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Sashka

. And why did the ship enter the ground at an angle of about 45 degrees ?! This is where such attempts to land a ship are taught?

With the so-called wind displacement, a sharp loss of the lift force of the wing is possible and, as a result, the car stalls at the peak.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Bayonet

With the so-called wind displacement, a sharp loss of the lift force of the wing is possible and, as a result, the car stalls at the peak.

Here's a video caught, just in time for your koment, the disaster is similar, but the credits, apparently, are deceptive ..

[16112014nk]

This is the fall of the cargo B-747 in Afghanistan. And in Kazan, Watermelon-321 fell.

[Old]

Under Kandahar crashed. The military side of the United States. Spirits are running. Creepy picture. I imagine what was happening on board. Rest in peace.

[Vorchun]

Quote: PKK

The pilot overestimated himself, a shame to leave for Krasnodar.

Several sides before him went to the spare.
This is just such a case when in the aviation they say that "it is better to perebryat than to crap", in a decent version - "it is better to be funny than pathetic."

[Tambov Wolf]

You are absolutely right. The commander of the ship makes a decision. In this case, the Cypriot commander by nationality wanted to be cooler than Everest, although everyone else went to other airfields.

[FID]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

You are absolutely right. The commander of the ship makes a decision. In this case, the Cypriot commander by nationality wanted to be cooler than Everest, although everyone else went to other airfields.

I'm sorry, BUT ... A / k flyDubai is low-budget, i.e. saves on everything. Taking a spare is fuel consumption and passenger service costs (hotel and transfer to the airport of destination). I do not rule out that the commander contacted Dubai for 2 hours in the air to get the go-ahead for a spare ... (fuel, when landing a second time, there was still 2 hours of flight left). I never fly by charters and low-budget people, although I have already flown around the moon and return to Earth. Honestly, I am AFRAID of flying so-called "commercial" aircraft and flights ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: SSI

A / k flyDubai low-budget, i.e. saves on everything.

An airline from the United Arab Emirates, based at Dubai International Airport. The company Flydubai was founded by the government of Dubai (it seems not a private trifle ) in 2009 and operates its flights from Terminal 2 of Dubai International Airport.

[FID]

Quote: Bayonet

An airline from the United Arab Emirates, based at Dubai International Airport. Flydubai was founded by the government of Dubai

Only, you have not added the LOUKOSTER ... And the low-cost is the definition of a low-budget ...

[weksha50]

Quote: PKK

The pilot overestimated himself, a shame to leave for Krasnodar.

Krasnodar, Sochi (Adler), Anapa, Minvody, and the same Grozny - these are only those airfields that I know ... And that's all - pretty close to Rostov-on-Don ... Bad weather conditions could not be everywhere, for 2 hours you could fly away the devil knows where and sit quietly ...

PS They dispersed the schools and academies of the Civil Air Fleet, dispersed them, then allowed foreign crews to be recruited ... No company will give good pilots, but mediocre ones, take them "to your health" ...

And with experienced dispatchers, as I understand it, there are also problems ...

[alone]

Quote: PKK

In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind, admittedly.

Do you seriously think that the creators and manufacturers are so stupid that they ignored the wind factor when designing the Boeing? There is no use for Boeing. There are few places on Earth with such winds. They plant there without problems.

[almost demobil]

Quote: Ami du peuple

From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

Moreover, he was already burning in the air. Is it really a terrorist attack again? It’s a pity people feel pain, there were also 4 children ...

[Armored optimist]

Perhaps it didn’t burn. Headlights. Although it depends on the angle. If the shooting was a little in front, i.e. walked almost across the strip, then the headlights shone into the camera. Filmed from Sholokhov Avenue, it runs parallel to the strip

[Armored optimist]

Board talks with displays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4m0FcsLnEg
You can hear the disp saying: wind 14, gusts up to 19 direction 230. Landing was 238.

[Old]

Well, the wind is almost headwind. The weather is normal.

[Tatyana]

The last negotiations of the pilots of the crashed Boeing with air traffic controllers of Rostov airport: audio

[PKK]

The shooting was on the side, and the headlights from the plane would not reach the avenue. The headlights shone perpendicular to the camera and were unlikely to hit it. A luminous ball fell at an angle, which is difficult to understand, but the flame is visible.

[97110]

Quote: PKK

The shooting was on the side, and the headlights from the plane will not reach the avenue

Runway in parallel with 40 years of Victory, leaving Sholokhov. The plane landed in the direction of Aksay, from Sholokhov headlights should not be visible.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: armored optimist

Perhaps it didn’t burn. Headlights. Although it depends on the angle. If the shooting was a little in front

it’s hard to say at what angle he was walking, but most likely parallel to the strip. judging by the road (this road is in front of the airport, a residential area, it’s good that it’s on the left and not on the right, there are a lot of houses there and all the high-rise buildings). There is a light in the fog (radiance, due to the reflection of light by drops of water in the air) So it really can be lights, but the angle of incidence raises a bunch of questions.

[Iline]

According to a published video of an outdoor surveillance camera, the plane crashed at a very high vertical speed. Moreover, in the rear of the fuselage the flame is clearly visible.

[Rostovchanin]

Here on one of the forums Rostov posted ... and the list of the dead https://vk.com/wall-36039_1093512

[WSW1WSW]

This indicates a very high speed of collision with the ground.

[FID]

Quote: Iline

Moreover, in the rear of the fuselage the flame is clearly visible.

I apologize, the lights are most likely the landing lights ...

[Iline]

May be so. Only the light from these headlights is painfully uneven. Although ... No one knows the characteristics of the surveillance camera itself. If not very blurry, then at a high speed of the object, some blur may be observed.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Iline

Only the light from these headlights is painfully uneven. Though..

Fog at different heights can be of different densities.

[Iline]

Well, in the development of the topic.

President of the Flight Safety International Consulting and Analytical Agency Valery Shelkovnikov told Rossiyskaya Gazeta that a published record of the moment the passenger Boeing crashed in Rostov-on-Don indicates that the plane caught fire in the air and then collided with the ground at high speed.

Apparently not for me it seemed.

[vitaliy.rnd]

This is not a flame, but landing lights.

[Armored optimist]

2 hours embroidered around the AP. Fell after the 3rd attempt to sit down. It’s strange that he didn’t leave. The Rostovites say that it was at the time of the disaster that the wind reared. The governor said it was 18 m / s. Allowed sidewall for type 17.

[KVIRTU]

Business, go there. Landing at another airport - you will need to arrange a transfer to the specified port of arrival.
In general: "different types of aircraft may have different meteorological minima (therefore, some planes land, while others do not), and different crews may have different meteorological minima - that is, depending on the experience of people at the controls, even the same planes may not sit at each other. another: someone can, but someone will have to fly to a spare "," When drawing up a flight plan, alternate aerodromes along the entire route are necessarily calculated. Moreover, if the alternate airfield is closed somewhere, the route can be changed right in flight so that at each stage of the flight the alternate aerodrome is within reach. "

[WSW1WSW]

GORGEOUS COMMENT !!!
It is immediately clear that you are a "TECHNICIAN" and not a "TECHNOLOGIST". Thank you "KVIRTU" for such detailed explanations, and especially for "aviation Internet specialists"

[vitaliy.rnd]

What is the revelry of the wind? My window was open all night. There was little rain, but there was no wind. Yes, and the video shows this.

[Pirogov]

Quote: vitaliy.rnd

What is the revelry of the wind? My window was open all night. There was little rain, but there was no wind. Yes, and the video shows this.

You probably know better I don’t live in Rostov, in my opinion it’s not the wind but the old Boeing, the almost complete absence of new aircraft, if the military still replenishes somehow, then there’s simply no civil aviation, the kingdom of heaven is dead, they rest in peace.

[Old]

I also doubted at first. But all a few boards went to Krasnodar. Maybe the wind was on top. We will find out soon.

[Nikolay K]

A window is open all night at zero temperature? Well you have a drown. There was a strong west wind with hurricane gusts, just from one o'clock to five in the morning.

[Ivan750]

Judging by the schedule, after the second attempt to sit down, he went to climb and at that moment fell.

[Armored optimist]

In this situation, the question is still for everyone, but the decision to land or leave in civil aviation is not made by the RP or the dispat, but by the aircraft commander.
It is precisely the Poles who blame our dispensation in Smolensk. In the flight plan they had the letter M - military, i.e. the military side and the RP was obliged, as they believe, to give a command, and not just information.
In fact, the IAC was trying to take the certificate of airworthiness from the type because of problems with the transfer of the stabilizer. Now the topic will be raised again.

[ImPerts]

Yes Yes Yes...
Kazan. Also Boeing, also 737.
http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/144910

[FID]

Quote: ImPerts

Kazan. Also Boeing, also 737.

Somewhat different bobiki ... the 500th in Kazan and the 800th in Rostov ..

[Old]

That is why the Poles were allowed to make a call. If they didn’t go by the radio altimeter, they would have remained alive. Before them, the IL-76 was sent to a spare.

The video shows that the plane is crashing. The wind is in the strip, and it’s not visible that the trees swayed strongly. Pilot error, most likely. I lost speed, fell down. Dubai lowcoster, bl.

[WSW1WSW]

THANKS FOR EXPLANATORY WORDS!

[AlexTires]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov.

To land at another airport, you need to share airport taxes. Volgograd is near there, it seems, if only there, or in Krasnodar, but there, as far as I know more expensive. Although I doubt that this is the case, most likely a malfunction or an error when landing in bad weather conditions ... I tend to the second ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: AlexTires

most likely a technical malfunction or an error when landing in bad weather conditions ... I tend to the second.

Deep condolences to the families, families and friends of the deceased ...
A couple of words.
Wind 22m / s, miss on the strip, glide path under 45 *, night - spatial orientation is difficult ... Apparently the crew could not cope with all this. Or a technical malfunction did not allow damping of suddenly arising introductory ...
Sincerely sorry ... The unbearable pain of loss ...

[AlexTires]

that is, in bad weather - go to the alternate aerodrome, and this is the most competent decision, despite the fact that the approach scheme in Rostov does not present any difficulty ... most likely there was a loss of speed on the glide path and an increase in vertical rate of decline ...

[ImPerts]

There are many questions. Here's another example of conspiracy theory:
"IAC revelations: who lied about the Boeing-737 crash in Kazan?

TWO YEARS ROSAVIATION SILENT ABOUT THAT THE REASON OF THE TRAGEDY IN NOVEMBER 2013 OF THE YEAR IS CONSIDERED BY THE CONSTRUCTIVE DEFECT OF THE AMERICAN PLANE

The IAC's statement on the suspension of the Boeing-737 aircraft certificates in Russia caused a stir in the industry the day before. But an even more sensational reason: it turns out that the Federal Air Transport Agency first signed a report on the investigation of the causes of the plane crash in Kazan, and then suddenly withdrew the signature, insisting on the version of the elevator malfunction. At the same time, other Boeing-737s may have the same defect. Experts of "BUSINESS Online" see revenge for "Transaero" behind the disclosure of these facts, but this does not change the essence of the matter "
http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/144910

[Sashka]

Quote: ImPerts

Here's another conspiracy theory piggy bank

Add:
"The crash killed the deputy of the regional Legislative Assembly, the head physician of the regional hospital No. 2 Igor Pakus and his wife. Earlier, sources in the government of the Azov region of the Rostov region told RIA news about the death of the wife and daughter of the head of the region Valery Bevzyuk."
Non-middle class people flew ... Officials, their relatives ... And another moment, why did the plane fly empty? Of the 189 seats, only 55 were occupied? I doubt that the flight pays off when the aircraft is full a little more than 1/3 ...
Once again, condolences to the family and friends ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Ami du peuple

The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

What does a kamikaze have to do with it? Out of place like that kind of jokes. The plane touched the ground with an unsuccessful attempt to land and could not leave for the next run, loss of speed and stall. By the way, the first disaster in this company, and all experienced pilots are not kamikaze. While information on the causes of the disaster is contradictory and has several versions, we must wait.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Ami du peuple

From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

also drew attention to this. It looks like a fall, but not a miss.

[figwam]

While he circled for 2 hours, his height was constantly changing, he was either sharply decreasing or rising again, the difference was up to 5 km.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov. Well, the question remains about the training of the crew of the Emirate low-cost airline.

You can search for and sort out the reasons for a long time and hard - the organization of flights, poor aircraft, unskilled crew, poor airfield equipment and services ...

For me, one thing is objective - so many planes did not fall in the USSR !!!! Why?

Many, for example, say that our roads are bad, because there are a lot of cars (although on the Soviet asphalt, for example, for a month after laying, a track was not formed for some reason). By analogy, there are more aircraft. Only this is nonsense. Yes, there haven’t been so many international flights. But inside the country, people flew wherever they wanted - a student could fly for half a scholarship to his parents for 1000 km, and a collective farmer for one and a half rubles - from Dendyurevka to Kabanovka. So there were several times more crushes in the air, but fewer fell ... Strange. Maybe we are not looking for a reason there?

[Cook]

May I ask you a question, what is your belief based on, that much fewer aircraft fell in the USSR? In the USSR, all information regarding the state of flight safety was chipboard, and nothing was ever reported about this in the press. Now even such a trivial event as the destruction of the pneumatics of a wheel or a crack in the cockpit’s glass is an occasion for an urgent news release and the prosecutor’s office began checking.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Cook

In the USSR, all information regarding the state of flight safety was chipboard, and nothing was ever reported about this in the press.

And in Soviet times, you never had to see at a military airfield how flights were "hammered" in Krasnodar, if a piece of bitumen flew off the runway in Krasnoyarsk on takeoff and the power of the fighter's engine dropped to 60% due to the fact that then traces of bitumen were found on blades of the second stage of the compressor?

I’m not a flyer, I was standing nearby, I don’t really know what this second stage of the compressor looks like, but I know that such telegrams came in secret.

Who, dear, told you that my information was purely from Soviet television and no one except you, of course, had access to the information from the chipboard?

By the way, the chipboard was on a completely harmless installation manual for D-1-5U ...

[Cook]

In Soviet times, I had to study materials on investigation of aircraft accidents, go to endless special events devoted to such events, work out the correct actions on the simulator, participate in investigations, etc. And here are military airfields, secret telegrams and some kind of manuals?
Did you have access to safety data in the general aviation? Can you tell how many disasters were in the GA of the USSR in 1974, for example? I can - 38 disasters: 4 Mi-6 crashes, 3 Il-18 crashes, 2 An-24 crashes, 2 An-12, 2 Yak -40. The rest occurred with Mi-8, Mi-2, An-2, Ka-26, Mi-1, Il-14, etc. This is not counting the numerous accidents that did not lead to human casualties. Who in those years spread this much? Why do you talk about such things if you do not have complete information? For example, I don’t know how things were with the accident in the Air Force, so I don’t write about it.

[askort154]

Juice .... Did you have access to safety materials in the GA? In Soviet times, I had to study materials on investigation of aircraft accidents, go to endless special events devoted to such events, work out the correct actions on the simulator, and participate in investigations ...

I subscribe to your every word! Flight experience 40 calendar years.
Yours faithfully! Alexander.

[Cook]

Thanks for the support of a colleague.
Regards, Konstantin.

[97110]

Quote: Zoldat_A

although on Soviet asphalt, for example, a month after laying, a track was not formed for some reason)

Have you ever met convoys of road trains with a gross weight of up to 100 tons with the permitted 40? When owls. authorities and I have not met. And now people who live near some a / d do not get tired of complaining. Some people were lucky to build houses near the rubble cargo flow.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: 97110

Road train columns with a gross weight of up to 100 tons when allowed 40 never met? When owls. authorities and I have not met.

On the central streets of the millionth city in which I live? Garbage trucks do not even go there - they make their way through secondary roads ... For this, they came up with bypass roads around the city ... Also, by the way, under the Soviet regime ...

If only 100-ton city buses and trolleybuses ...

I’m not a road specialist, but I talked to the hard workers - they say the asphalt is completely different, the technology has been changed, a lot of secondary stuff is put to save (white dinosaurs travel like that, they remove the top layer). I would understand on the tracks - I drive out of town myself, I see ... But on the central streets of the city and a month after the repair - I do not understand ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ami du peuple

PS From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. Kamikaze pilot?

Something really doesn't look like landing. I saw more than once "Afghani approaches" - there is no landing here. It's just a fall. In addition, the fall of a burning plane is not a flyer himself, maybe that is why he looked more at landing takeoffs from the side and flew as a "payload". And I've seen enough of night flights as well. This is not the work of engines - it is a burning airplane.

[pilot bin-bom]

I sympathize with the families of the victims.
As for the air traffic control service of the airport, let them buy aviation rules from Belarus:
“The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Ordinary flight procedures ”,
“The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Schemes using zonal navigation and schemes based on satellite systems ”;

Rules:
regulate the application of criteria for constructing instrumental approach procedures and typical aircraft take-off and approach procedures depending on the characteristics of aerodrome navigation equipment
provide increased flight safety, improved accuracy characteristics of the approach, reduced fuel consumption at the stage of approach,
improving the quality of the provision of dispatching services in nodal dispatch areas and dispatch zones.

[Stas157]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov.

The decision to go to the alternate airfield is made by the FAC.

[novobranets]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

At different heights, the wind can differ greatly not only in speed, but also in direction. A sort of layer cake.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: novobranets

At different heights, the wind can differ greatly not only in speed, but also in direction. A sort of layer cake.

I heard the phrase "air scissors" on the radio - how's that? (if not difficult)

[novobranets]

Imagine a plane descending at a certain angle by a calculated navigator, but the pitch is called, however, the wind, for example at a height of 100 m, the right one. In order not to leave the glide path and not to leave the runway, the pilot fights off the demolition with trimmers of elevators, rolls, and directions. At an altitude of 70m, the wind suddenly changes speed and direction, for example, on the left. T.K rudder trimmers are already set to compensate for drift to the left, the plane is tilting to the right wing, losing altitude dramatically. There is a danger of stalling. And if the wind changes again below, then all the pilot’s efforts to level the car will come to naught, in the worst case they will play against him, yet the mass of the passenger liner is serious. Further already depends on the skill of the pilot. Trying to quench the vertical speed, the pilot adds traction, changes the angle of the flaps and raises the nose of the aircraft, but the landing speed is not enough to level the roll and gain altitude, or at least reduce vertical speed, the plane can sink and hit with its tail. lack of visibility. Well, imagine. Something like this is happening. Of course, I am not an expert, and I wrote, I feel, not very clearly, but these reasons most often play the main role.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: novobranets

the plane can land and hit with its tail.

Well, the video shows that the plane clearly did not hit the tail, but entered the ground at an acute angle. There have already been reports that "a very rare phenomenon was observed in the airfield area, which is called a" jet stream. "This is when the wind speed exceeds 100 km / h. This is over 30 m / s." Twice the allowable crosswind limit for landing! But "the crew in vain waited for an improvement in weather conditions. It was initially clear from the forecast that this would not happen. However, the decision on the actions of the case was made by the aircraft commander."
Fly Dubai is a companyloukoster and that's it. Save on everything, including safety. The aircraft commander killed passengers, the crew and the car because of the threat of depriving the salary bonus ... Terrible.
But why haven’t our Rostov been shut down?

[novobranets]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Well, the video shows that the plane obviously did not hit with its tail, but entered the ground at an acute angle.

I wrote there about common cases. Here, as far as I can tell from the video, the plane was already uncontrollable - loss of speed, respectively lift, it did not fly, but fell, because the pitch is so steep.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: novobranets

Of course, I’m not an expert, and I wrote, I feel, not very clearly,

Thank you - more or less enlightened.

[roman_pilot]

Have you heard anything about fly-by-wire ?!

[novobranets]

fly-by-wire, Sukhoi Superjet, or just electro-hydraulics. What the question is not understood.

[roman_pilot]

Your description of the control process has nothing to do with modern airplanes.

[novobranets]

So I did not describe the process itself. Just a principle, in a nutshell. And what, have the laws of aerodynamics changed recently? If skeletal-speaking, then sorry, literary talent deprived, immediately honestly warned.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

If you carefully watch this video, you will see that the wind is really strong. Another thing is that I myself do not recall the last time the plane crashed because of the wind.

[askort154]

Alexander Romanov ...... Another thing is that I myself hardly remember the last time the plane crashed because of the wind.

Due to the "wind", there were a lot of accidents and plane crashes in the 70s-80s,
both in the USSR and abroad. For a long time they could not understand why on the pre-landing straight, the plane lost control. In the end, they found the cause - "wind shear". This is when abrupt changes in wind direction and speed occur in the surface layer. Recommendations for piloting techniques and meteorological forecasting of "wind shear" have been developed. Now, on some modern aircraft there are locators that determine "wind shear".
Most likely in this catastrophe there was a strong "wind shear".
The captain had to make a competent decision - to go to the alternate aerodrome.
He stubbornly (2 hours 9 minutes) "roamed" in the waiting area, waiting for the wind speed to decrease in fact. The commission will figure it out. I grieve.

[Cheshire]

A terrible tragedy, as we have in Kazan a couple of years ago. Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

Judging by the video, the angle of entry into the ground is approximately 45 degrees. There is nothing to do with the wind. We are waiting for the results of the investigation.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Cheshire

Judging by the video, the angle of entry into the ground is approximately 45 degrees.

if not more!

Quote: Cheshire

There is nothing to do with the wind.

the wind can change the direction of flight or slightly raise or lower the plane, but not over a large area, because equipment and an experienced pilot immediately react, but then he just fell in a straight line.

[Old]

We see only the final piece of the trajectory. The tail did not hit the camera with the tail, the subsequent climb, loss of speed and stall ... This is if you add up all the scattered information. Maybe there was no touch, but everything else was accurate. This can be seen in the graphs of speed and altitude.

[Rostovchanin]

Our wind is strong somewhere around 12-14 m / s ... every three minutes the gusts are intensified, the wind is lateral to the runway.

[askort154]

Cheshire ... Judging by the video, the angle of entry into the ground is approximately 45 degrees. There is nothing to do with the wind. We are waiting for the results of the investigation.

I haven’t seen the video. (Are you sure that this is the case on it?) But it doesn’t matter.
In practice: The aircraft on the pre-landing straight flies at a speed close to the minimum safe. (Vp = Vw + 20%). If the aircraft enters the zone of strong "wind shear", where the aerodynamic balance of lift distribution is disturbed, the aircraft briefly loses controllability and may "fall on the wing" or into a "spin", and because of lack of height cannot get out of this situation. It can "enter" the ground at any chaotic angle. I described the problems of "wind shear" in an accessible form not for professionals and in "a nutshell." The real results will be - the conclusions of the commission.

[vitaliy.rnd]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Our wind is strong somewhere around 12-14 m / s ... every three minutes the gusts are intensified, the wind is lateral to the runway.

No need to lie. Look better at the window and try to see gusts of wind.

[Rostovchanin]

No need to lie. Look better at the window and try to see gusts of wind.

Dear, you would have slept before 10, now the wind has really calmed down and the snow has gone, and at night the wind was strongest

[vitaliy.rnd]

I only went to bed at 3. It’s not necessary to be clever. In your heads you have the wind, trepachki, damn it.

[Fregate]

Quote: vitaliy.rnd

I only went to bed at 3.

In a drunken stupor?

Quote: vitaliy.rnd

It’s not necessary to be clever. In your heads you have the wind, trepachki, damn it.

Everyone claims that the wind was. Read comments on local news portals. Everyone writes about the wind, some from the Ministry of Emergency Situations sms came about a storm warning. Everyone had a wind except you. The dispatcher reported aboard 14-18 m / s. Did he lie too?

[vitaliy.rnd]

Gentlemen, you are stupid people. I don’t need to read. I live here.
And you read and believe once your head is gone.
It simply surprises the dullness of believers in the media. Herd.

[vitaliy.rnd]

Everyone claims that the wind was. Read comments on local news portals. Everyone writes about the wind, some from the Ministry of Emergency Situations sms came about a storm warning. Everyone had a wind except you. The dispatcher reported aboard 14-18 m / s. Did he lie too?

And who is all this? Anyone who read something somewhere? But here in Rostov, one of the members of the commission of inquiry said that the weather made it possible to take off and land. So who should I believe? Your eyes and specialist or you chatterboxes living do not know where?
And yet ... If you received SMS that you won a million, this does not mean at all that you won it.

[Fregate]

Quote: vitaliy.rnd

I live here.

Where do I live?

Quote: vitaliy.rnd

And who is all this? Anyone who read something somewhere?

People write in comments on news portal sites.

But here in Rostov, one of the members of the commission of inquiry said that the weather made it possible to take off and land. So who should I believe?

Believe him. Or do you think only the complete calm allows landing?

[Nikolay K]

Everyone had a wind, he didn’t. Does the window go east?

[Nikolay K]

Yes, he got up from the hangover, slept all night with the window open, what kind of wind was there to him, quiet and whim.

[vitaliy.rnd]

Yes, he got up from the hangover, slept all night with the window open, what kind of wind was there to him, quiet and whim.

It is unfortunate that I have no opportunity to give you a tambourine for your words.

[Fregate]

Quote: vitaliy.rnd

No need to lie. Look better at the window and try to see gusts of wind.

Man does not lie. All night there was a wind with strong gusts.

[vitaliy.rnd]

I live in Rostov. 2 km from the airport. So do not be terrified to catch up.

[Bayonet]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

The wind is strong, the weather is rubbish! I am from Rostov.

[vitaliy.rnd]

Yes the weather is rubbish. At 10 o'clock it started a little wet snow. And where is the STRONG wind? For some reason, it is not in the center and around the airport.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Bayonet

The wind is strong, the weather is rubbish! I am from Rostov.

it’s clear that something is already burning, it seems that it’s not landing lights ...

[captain]

The tragedy in Rostov is the direct fault of our government. At one time, the owners of Russian airlines, through their general directors, turned to the government with a proposal to recruit foreign pilots. They put forward versions about the lack of domestic pilots, their poor knowledge of the English language (this was not the case in the USSR), the absence of pilot training centers, and much more. Our government naturally agreed to meet the "breadwinners". Although many of our pilots warned that salaries and social packages in foreign companies are much more prestigious than in ours and this will lead to the fact that pilots will come to us by no means the best. Warnings are starting to come true, who will answer? I offer my condolences to all the relatives of the victims. And I propose to the Prosecutor General to assess the actions of our government. in terms of pilot training.

[lelyk72]

The airline is foreign, the pilots are foreign ..... And here, WHAT are any actions of our government ?????

[97110]

Quote: lelyk72

And here WHAT - either the actions of our government ?????

Well, what are you? Did the cat leave the kittens? This is not even a government - take it higher!

[avt]

Quote: captain

The tragedy in Rostov is the direct fault of our government.

What does the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT have to do with Dubai Emirate ???? Are you friends with a search engine, or only with Claudia?

The company was established in 2008 by the Government of Dubai, becoming the first low-cost airline in the city.

Before the mind boils in "righteous anger"

Quote: captain

At one time, the owners of Russian airlines through their general directors appealed to the government with a proposal to recruit foreign pilots.

Can you tell me - when and which of the Russian businessmen bought

Flu dubai

?? Then we will definitely know which government you are addressing

Quote: captain

. Warnings begin to come true, who will respond?

and require an answer.

[KOMA]

Your Dubai government is responsible!

[evgenii67]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

and on the video the plane crashed almost at right angles

[ispaniard]

Land in peace to all those who perished (many families flew in full ... ) Deep condolences to relatives, friends, relatives of the victims.
The guys in the investigation have yet to study the causes of the disaster, BUT HOW MUCH WARNING? -Do not fly to Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, UAE, CA !!! Well, how much?!? Is vacation more important than life? .. The world is now generally restless abroad, what can I say ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST? WHAT TO SAY ABOUT RUSSIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ???
Do not fly to BV (WOULD NOW! In two three years you can, BUT NOT NOW!!!) If it’s itching so much, go to the Black Sea coast, even in Sochi if it’s expensive to Crimea, if it’s also expensive then to Abkhazia. But not to the Middle East, life is not the best holiday pay ...

P.S. Once again, I condolences to all the relatives of the dead and those who are going to go on vacation abroad VERY RECOMMENDED think with your head and not with your pocket, stomach and eggs about where to go to relax.

[Nikolay K]

And then the Arabs, what kind of hysteria? Weather conditions in which the crew could not make the right decision. This could happen to anyone, sorry what happened to our citizens on board.

[kotvov]

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind. ,,
no, the wind was. I would say hurricane, with gusts.

[PAM]

with conclusions about the cause of the crash, you should wait for someone's services. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

[novobranets]

Quote: PAM

Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

Peace be upon them. But xoxly already on feces come, rejoice. What non-humans have hatched there lately.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: novobranets

Quote: PAM

Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

Peace be upon them. But xoxly already on feces come, rejoice. What non-humans have hatched there lately.

You got it’s not up to the Ukrainians - then you’ll fight them, for people like you every day they post articles here.

[novobranets]

Okay, okay, don’t boil. I just got furious, read the news and stumble upon this ...

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: novobranets

do not boil.

Come on - let go))
Sorry for the people, some situevina is still incomprehensible ..

[Bacha]

It’s just a tragedy for all people, even our fierce enemy of the United States and they condole. A svidomye as always dancing on the bones. Inhumans they are already. Nothing sacred left.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Bacha

A svidomye as always dancing on the bones.

We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: afdjhbn67

We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

Kolya is healthy. Komenty Russians on the censor look like this Because it makes no sense to go there

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

sense to go there

Hi Sasha! As you say - we won’t go or through the TOP)) Where did the atalef go?

[Bacha]

So without a torus, the provider does not let me.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Where did the atalef go?

I don’t know tomorrow naidu where he wears it.

Quote: afdjhbn67

let's not go or through the TOP

Here install and no TP is needed
https://browsec.com/

[79807420129]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Quote: Bacha

A svidomye as always dancing on the bones.

We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

Nikolai, then we’ll defeat Khokhlov, these jackals will not go anywhere, but now from all users IN all the relatives and friends of the victims, accept our condolences, a terrible tragedy.

[Denis Skiff]

Take me with you.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: afdjhbn67

We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

A rematch?

[Mobius]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: afdjhbn67

We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

A rematch?

The Military Review Team was defeated by Censor.

What, the team was assembled only crooked legionnaires?

"Quickfoot Abelardo"

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Möbius

The Military Review Team was defeated by Censor.

Although everyone tried 100 times, but We are not occupiers, We are Polite People!

[Mobius]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

We are not invaders, we are polite people!

In relation to "Censor.net", or even MORE, for the sake of a historical goal, the principles could be waived ...

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Bacha

A svidomye always dance on bones

Interestingly, they do not have cognitive dissonance? After all, besides ours, foreign citizens also died (the crew is definitely the emirate). Although to these starfish - they are necrophiles, feeding on death.

Quote: Bacha

Inhumans they are already

It is possible to cure such "non-brothers" only in a radical way; in a way that does not provide for the further vital activity of the organism. I am glad that such creatures are still a minority ...

[Bacha]

I understand that their minority is real, but reading the forums, it seems that they are all sick. I have the opinion that the Internet in the country 404 is connected only upon presentation of a certificate from the yellow house.

[WSW1WSW]

Most likely on forums of this content people are mostly sick.

[weksha50]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Strong wind, stormy.

The article states: "The Investigative Committee reported an explosion on board the crashed liner" ...

The plane followed from Dubai, from the so-called Arabia ...

It looks like attempts to intimidate, terrorize Russia ...

[vitaliy.rnd]

Quote: weksha50

The article states: "The Investigative Committee reported an explosion on board the crashed liner" ...

It says there

"After the plane touched the ground, there was an explosion."

Noticeable difference?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

I’m wondering why it’s impossible to install any kind of primitive military radar (in the nose fairing) on ​​civilian passenger aircraft, which could work in the terrain mapping mode. A strip with a length of 3 kilometers and a width of 50 meters, he even with 0 visibility could determine. And the problem is solved, the pilots would always know where the runway begins.

[WSW1WSW]

Dear Air Force Reserve Lt., Have you heard anything about primitive course / glide systems, radar in your nose?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: WSW1WSW

Dear Air Force Reserve Lt., Have you heard anything about primitive course / glide systems, radar in your nose?

Your course-glide-path systems do not work ... Explain to me why situations constantly occur in which the plane, which has not reached the start of the 100-200 meter strip, hurts the tops of trees in a crash?
What does the course-glide path system consider the forest to be the beginning of the runway?

[Dikson]

this is a question for aerodrome services and service staff ... as far as I remember, if the grass height in front of the emitter, for example, is higher than 10 -15 cm, then the glide path beacon will already lie ... But in addition to the course and glide path beacons there are also radar landing systems are at the airfields .., the dispatchers see there is a board on course, on the glide path, or not ...

[vitaliy.rnd]

We have no wind. It has not rained heavily since evening, and there has not been any gale, and now there is none.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

on the site, where the names are in comments comments of witnesses who saw an explosion in the air. It is possible that strong light is already a blazing plane. Although below I wrote that in the fog there is a strong exposure from the spotlight. What was, only time will tell!
https://vk.com/wall-36039_1093512

[Blondy]

I watched a video on TV, though very poor quality. It seems that something burning already fell from a height to the ground at an angle of about 45 degrees. It is more like the effects of tarract than the effects of bad weather.

[WSW1WSW]

ME VERY ALARMED THE BIG DOWN ANGLE. The picture looks more like a drop.
Condolences close to the dead.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It looks like they "missed" the lane.

they crashed in the video, not missed

[In100gram]

It’s good that there is no + - under the article. Thanks to the admins. Condolences to all the victims and their relatives. Only recently was there a topic about the increased accident rate of our airlines. But it is not thank God in foreign countries

[festival 1973]

Why didn’t they leave for the spare?

[Bacha]

Judging by the angle at which he entered the ground in the video, he stupidly fell.

[afdjhbn67]

Judging by the angle at which he entered the earth in the video, he stupidly fell. [/ Quote]
Not only that, the flame is visible before the explosion - in the video, a fiery point falls almost vertically .... something did not fit the video.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: fest 1973

Why didn’t they leave for the spare?

toad strangled overpay

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, who put the minus?
according to today's standards, the pilot himself determines the departure to the alternate aerodrome, and this is unnecessary attendants and companies are not willing to do this a hundred times, the topic has been raised until one of the relatives of the international air authorities crashes or changes

[siberalt]

A video of the fall of this plane has already been posted on the Internet. Wow "landing"!

[Kos_kalinki9]

Right On landing it seems a little.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: siberalt

Wow "landing"!

There you can see - two cars drove, maybe something will also be on their registrars, they drove surprisingly - without adding and not slowing down, when there is such a woman in 500 meters ...

[SeAl2014]

Condolences to loved ones.

Again saving everything did not go to the spare.

[krops777]

For two hours I tried to land, during this time you can fly to any other airfield.
We will listen to what the experts will say, but people will not be returned.

[novobranets]

Quote: krops777

For two hours I tried to land, during this time you can fly to any other airfield.

The Flightradar24 portal reports that while Boeing circled over the airport, another plane flying from Moscow tried to land at Rostov-on-Don airport three times and then went to the alternate airport in Krasnodar.http: //ria.ru/incidents/20160319 /1392591218.html

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: novobranets

I tried two hours

It also seems to me that while objective infa - video, the rest is a flight of fancy - we will wait ..

[novobranets]

Quote: afdjhbn67

we will wait ..

So far, almost every next news does not fit with the previous one. It is worth the wait before. the findings of the commission until the brain boiled.

[andr327]

And two hours spinning over Rostov. What is the savings. They generally probably wanted to fly here and there at one gas station. And the main reason for the human factor is greed.
Condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

[Roman 25]

Quote: SeAl2014

Again saving everything did not go to the spare.

And the crew themselves became a hostage to the company’s policy ... What can I say, land to them all in all !!!

[tommy717]

And whose crew is Arab?

[ImPerts]

The plane belongs to the low-cost airline, created in Dubai. We know by surname.

[dchegrinec]

All this is suspicious. If he flew for example from Siberia this is one thing. But from Dubai ...

[Jozhkin Cat]

He entered the earth at an angle of 60 degrees ... did he lie missed a strip. rather, some kind of failure. A terrible tragedy ((Earth rest in peace.

[Bort radist]

My condolences to family and friends ...... The information is contradictory. According to the first reports - the weather and an attempt to go to the 2nd circle. There is such a "decision point". Before it, the crew must decide whether to sit down or go around. Later, it is impossible to go to the circle, the trajectory and inertia will lead to the inevitable touch of the ground. In the comments I read that the board circled for two hours on the flyradar producing fuel. If there is a terrorist attack, then we will not immediately recognize the truth of the events. Half of the married couples are on the list. How can you imagine experiences in such conditions and hope right now, now a little more ........ I watched the video, this is not a landing, a fall, and, in my opinion, the board was on fire.

[novobranets]

06:13 19.03.2016/230751156/XNUMX) XNUMX
The passenger plane of Fly Dubai crashed in low visibility conditions. All passengers and crew on board were killed.

06:51

According to the portal Flightradar24, the liner tried to land three times.
06:50




At the scene of the disaster, all emergency services in the region are now working.
06:41
As a result of the crash of Boeing, residents of Rostov and the region died

"I know that, according to the list that is presented ... that there are residents of Rostov-on-Don, residents of the region, and the rest is being specified. I think that within the next about an hour and a half, at most, we will have for more complete information. We are working on this now, "said Governor Vasily Golubev.
06:30

There are three foreigners in the passenger lists of the crashed plane; earlier it was reported that all Boeing passengers were Russians.
06:24

The age of the plane crashed at the airport of Rostov-on-Don, five years, reports the portal Flight Radar.

The liner was released in December 2010 and received the serial number 40241. The portal designates the ship type as "type code B738, MODE S 8962B9".
06:16

The Russian Emergencies Ministry has opened a "hot line" in connection with the disaster, you can find out operational information by calling 8-800-775-17-17.
06:14

Fallen in Rostov-on-Don Boeing completely collapsed.
06:03


After Boeing touched the ground, an explosion occurred, told RIA Novosti in the Southern Investigation Department on transport SK. Earlier, the Ministry of Transport reported that the explosion thundered when the plane entered the second circle at the beginning of the strip.
05:52
In Rostov-on-Don Boeing crashed, no one survived

The liner, following the flight 981 Dubai - Rostov, fell to the left of the runway of the Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility at 3:40 Moscow time.

There were 61 people on board: 55 passengers and 6 crew members. According to preliminary information, most of the passengers were Russian citizens.

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/incidents/20160319/1392591218.html#ixzz43JkPuejX

A lot of conflicting data. SK began a pre-investigation check.

[roman_pilot]

A plane with ANY height can go to the second round, from a low altitude there will be slight differences in the procedure.

[Jatviag]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

I watched the video of the fall ..... Somehow, it was falling ... almost vertically and was already burning in the air. Not like weather conditions.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: JATVIAG

Not like weather conditions.

If the plane actually crashed and burned already in the air .... Either it collided with something in the air or again a terrorist attack.

[novobranets]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Either he was faced with something in the air or again a terrorist attack.

News comes constantly, but contradictory. We will wait for the preliminary conclusions of the commission, at least they will say something unambiguously.

[Mobius]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If the plane actually crashed and burned already in the air .... Either it collided with something in the air or again a terrorist attack.

SK reported an explosion aboard a Boeing crashing in Rostov-on-Don
Subject:
The crash of a Boeing in Rostov-on-Don (93)
05: 3019.03.2016 (updated: 07: 36 19.03.2016) 639806650
The explosion occurred after the liner touched the ground, told RIA Novosti SK Russia. Earlier, the Ministry of Transport stated that the explosion occurred when the plane entered the second circle.

MOSCOW, Mar 19 - RIA News. The explosion occurred after a Boeing in Rostov-on-Don touched the ground, told RIA Novosti in the Southern Investigation Department for Transport of the IC of Russia.
According to preliminary investigation, flight 981 Dubai - Rostov crashed at 3:40 Moscow time. The Russian Ministry of Transport previously said that when the plane entered the second circle at the beginning of the strip, an explosion occurred.

"After the plane touched the ground, an explosion occurred," the investigation department reported.

http://ria.ru/incidents/20160319/1392589999.html

[demo]

Lord What is it?!
Sympathy for family and friends.

What a wildness.
For what?

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: demo

What a wildness.
For what?

Rather, why?

[sa-ag]

Quote: afdjhbn67

Rather, why?

Well, if there is a terrorist attack, then why and why do they point unambiguously to the same region

[dolamber333]

Sorry. Condolences to family and friends. The plane did not land. He dived into the ground.

[satris]

It is necessary to restore your aircraft industry, TU and ILs fought much less often.

[tanit]

Quote: satris

satris
(1)

Today, 07: 08

↓


It is necessary to restore your aircraft industry, TU and ILs fought much less often.

And at the same time close the sky for foreign airline campaigns ... So? Read the article, whose plane, which crew and where the company comes from .... Nothing, what do you look like a vulture?
Peace to the dead.

[Bayonet]

Quote: satris

TU and IL fought much less often.

Absolutely unfounded statement! Just count how many planes were built and how many crashed, then draw conclusions!

[tuts]

Condolences to family and friends. Everlasting memory.

[tanit]

Condolences to the families of the dead passengers. And the families of the crew.
I anticipate that "the most authoritative opinions of experts" will begin now that this is beneficial for Russia and in general and for Putin personally, in particular:
"1. The crew is not Russian.
2. The airline is not Russian.
3. The plane is new.
4. the plane is a Boeing.
Conclusion - the curious Kegebene regime had to prove that not only it had problems. "
But in reality, a crew error. Fatal. Most likely the pilots owned their own special Arabic version of the English language. And they did not understand the teams with the KDP. That the change of dispatchers of the international airport does not own it - well, yes, yes. Why are other crews not falling?
Again-
Condolences to the families of the dead passengers. And the families of the crew.

[Bort radist]

I remembered the scanners from Chkalovsky and Mozdok. In Moscow, a man accidentally noticed a photographer.
12 hours before the crash, the board flew from Kiev to Dubai. Then 20 minutes of refueling and to Rostov.

[saber]

they’ll give you a plus, but they have me for the same questions ..

[midashko]

The company is run by effective managers, businessmen with only money in their heads. It is required to change the owners - to introduce a state monopoly on transport, and making security not a priority, but money.

[tanit]

Quote: midashko

midashko


Today, 07: 30

↓ New


The company is run by effective managers, businessmen with only money in their heads. It is required to change the owners - to introduce a state monopoly on transport, and making security not a priority, but money.

The company is not from the Russian Federation, can you read? The crew is not from Russia, can you read? Whose "effective managers" are to blame? Even the board is new and not made in Russia?
Or have you forgotten how to read? Forward to Dubai to fight against "managers" !!!!
Peace to the dead.

[pv1005]

Why read? Why think? The main thing is to quickly croak.

[79807420129]

Quote: pv1005

Why read? Why think? The main thing is to quickly croak.

The main thing about the managers is to croak, and condolences to express this is not necessary.

[Bort radist]

Quote: tanit

Or have you forgotten how to read? Forward to Dubai to fight against "managers" !!!!

This company says the first incident.

[grandson of the hero]

Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased ...

[AlexTires]

Peace be upon the dead and condolences to the relatives ...

[Pvi1206]

It is not clear from the message whether the explosion was the result of ter. act or consequence of a hard landing.
Although for passengers this is no longer important ...
It is a pity for the dead and their relatives.

[avg-mgn]

Friends, let’s at least here minimize the endless and build versions of what happened. 100% of the media contradicting each other exaggerate the situation. But, they work out their bread, let them not become like.
Relatives and friends of the deceased - Condolences.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: satris

It is necessary to restore your aircraft industry, TU and ILs fought much less often.

They fought in much the same way - they spoke less often, and more often they were silent.

[Bayonet]

Quote: avg-mgn

They fought in much the same way - they spoke less often, and more often they were silent.

My parents worked all their lives at the Civil Air Fleet — from the early 50s. So I was aware of how much was beating, and the news was quiet. Unless someone famous died, then you can’t hide it.

[MARK]

The US Embassy in Moscow has issued a safety notice for American citizens. It talks about possible terrorist attacks in Russia that are threatened by the Islamic State organization banned in the Russian Federation. Note that back in early March, the US State Department issued a similar warning.

Source: http://www.1obl.ru/news/glavnye-mirovye-novosti/us-warns-us-citizens/ © First Regional

Most likely a terrorist attack .... My condolences to the relatives of the dead ..

[AlexTires]

Quote: MARK

Most likely a terrorist attack ....

I add to this a little conspiracy theology: for the day it was an 3 flight of an airplane, one of which was from ... Kiev ...
http://lifenews.ru/news/191201

I do not believe in the foresight of the heirs of the great protocivilization who guessed the flight route, but even so ....

[yuriy55]

I offer my condolences to the family and friends ... To the dead - Eternal memory ...

[WHITE CAT]

Condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

[WSW1WSW]

JOINING ...

[Ros 56]

The reasons will of course be established by the commission, and it is not for us to judge how it really was. Remember that they just did not write on our board in Egypt, but it turned out to be a terrorist attack. But there are some unpleasant things, my friend only retired at the age of 12, flew around the world, and by virtue of his work many other friends and acquaintances are also pilots, so they all unanimously say that young and middle-aged very poor flight training, compared with Soviet times, used to rely on autopilot. On the one hand, it makes work easier, on the other hand, professionalism is lost.

[polite people]

The kingdom of heaven is lost.

[Koshak]

Condolences

[WSW1WSW]

JOINING ...

[Papapg]

Quote: Tatiana

The plane - this is clearly visible in the video - fell almost 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.
The reason is poor visibility and, probably, the inexperience of a foreign crew. Foreign companies, as has been noticed for a long time, save money on the remuneration of highly professional pilots and replacing them with low-professional pilots - “gas workers” from the so-called underdeveloped countries. Most likely it was so.

Quite right, they just don’t talk about it, zhurnalyugi on a horse, there is something to suck, climb a mountain of people. The crew is raw, poorly trained, hence the result.
This is how in aviation, you bought a ticket, you will be put to the pilot's monkey, and you are absolutely disenfranchised "bag" neither to be indignant, nor to check, just like that, terrorism can be attributed to, dropped out of the plane. And the crew may or may not be rested or inexperienced, or generally sick, like a suicide in Germany.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Papapg

The crew is raw, poorly trained, hence the result.

This is a serious airline that has not yet had a single disaster. Crews are staffed with highly qualified specialists (from different countries) on a competitive basis. No need to invent!

[saber]

And at which airport was the Merikanin received with the equipment? Now they show the data of the radars, the plane before landing made "hills" 5 km high. What is this for?

[Warrior2015]

Sincere condolences to the relatives of those who were on that flight.
I pray for our dead.

In my opinion, this is a terrorist act.

Why are my reasons:

1). There were reasons to spoil Russia as a whole triumph. A couple of days, our AVIATORS from Syria triumphantly returned. The attack is just on the plane.

2). Yesterday is the anniversary of the next return of Crimea.

3). Today is the day of the Russian Submarine Fleet. Dates - one to one. The Islamists promised to arrange a "show-off" for the allegedly "defeated Russians in Syria."

4). The plane belonged to an Islamic company, but there were almost non-Muslims on board, and everyone knew about it.

5). In the UAE, there is virtually no degree of aircraft verification at airports. Almost the same as in Egypt, anyone could bring a bomb on board (most likely one of the Islamist workers).

6). In the UAE (as in Saudi Arabia, and in Qatar, etc.) any form of Islam, including extreme radicalism, and Islamic movements banned in the Russian Federation, are welcomed.

7). About the wind and bad weather - nonsense. Any more or less suitable crew can fly on instruments and the minimum weather indicators are precisely known.

8). The plane dived almost vertically. What kind of band selection error are you talking about? What, do not know how to determine the flight horizon? so this is basic knowledge!

9). The plane was scattered into many small fragments, equally live on Russia 24 EMERCOM stated that there were no bodies, only small fragments. In 2 hours it was possible to drain or develop fuel. Was he loaded with TNT?

10). Apparently, an explosive device detonated in the air, possibly tied to detonation when the landing gear was launched or when landing when it came in contact with the ground, or maybe even just on a timer. Therefore, the plane actually dived, apparently already engulfed in flames.

"I stand on that and I cannot do otherwise."

Do not consider my post as propaganda against Islam; do not forget that our country is at war with radical Islamism from Europe to Tajikistan, and our planes have repeatedly become the targets of Islamic terrorists.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Warrior2015

In my opinion, this is a terrorist act.

All conclusions to a point, especially 8 and 9. Sadly, but the planes do not land like that.

[WSW1WSW]

You have an unpleasant post. And there is iron logic - I believe. And utter nonsense, which reduces perception to rejection. You would have worked a little on your text and somehow arranged it more logically. Then it was possible to accept some arguments, with which to argue. AND THIS COMMENT WOULD BE MORE CONVINCING. Write "Do not consider my post as propaganda against Islam." I didn't see it. SIMPLY DESIRE TO SPEAK ON THE SOUND PRINCIPLE "On that I stand and I cannot do otherwise." THANKS

[Fregate]

Quote: Warrior2015

In my opinion, this is a terrorist act.

I will not argue that this is not so, but I doubt it.

Quote: Warrior2015

7). About the wind and bad weather - nonsense. Any more or less suitable crew can fly on instruments

When the Boeing crashed in Kazan, was the weather bad? And the crew, too, as it turned out, was more or less ready.

Quote: Warrior2015

8). The plane dived almost vertically. What kind of band selection error are you talking about? What, do not know how to determine the flight horizon? so this is basic knowledge!

I fully admit that there was something similar to that in Kazan. Some say that he did not fly up to the strip, and some that he fell at the end of the strip. We will wait for more info.

Quote: Warrior2015

The plane was scattered into many small fragments, equally on the air in Russia 24 Ministry of Emergencies stated that there were no bodies, only small fragments. In 2 hours it was possible to drain or develop fuel. Was he loaded with TNT?

Naturally, when dropped at such an angle, it was scattered. I do not know how much fuel this Boeing takes and how much it lasts. But I can make an assumption, perhaps fuel in the UAE is cheaper and he took it to the eyeballs so that it would be enough to get to Rostov and back. All the same it is a "low-fire".

[Bayonet]

Quote: Warrior2015

7). About the wind and bad weather - nonsense. Any more or less suitable crew can fly on instruments and the minimum weather indicators are precisely known.

8). The plane dived almost vertically. What kind of band selection error are you talking about? What, do not know how to determine the flight horizon? so this is basic knowledge!

9). The plane was scattered into many small fragments, equally live on Russia 24 EMERCOM stated that there were no bodies, only small fragments. In 2 hours it was possible to drain or develop fuel. Was he loaded with TNT?

It would be possible to laugh at your "profound" reasoning, if not for the tragedy. Have you flown? It looks like only from the couch!

[PValery53]

Sorry for the untimely departed people, mostly Russians. I'm so sorry. And what weather conditions could make the plane go almost at its peak?

[tanit]

Standard. When nothing can be explained - "a sudden lateral rush". But, even if you accept it, but ... circling for 2 hours ... And the crew had enough height, even if they were somehow trained.
Peace to the dead.

[Generalissimo]

How could this be influenced by the "sanctions" ban for the Arab campaign to land in Crimea?

[Pencil]

The video shows that the liner falls at an angle of 45 degrees.
It is hard to say that it was already a flight. Sincere condolences to the relatives of passengers and crew ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEQ_s0aN3A4

[Diviz]

This foreign technique must be scrapped. There is money for t50, but no money for ms21. Everything is in the project. And the economy is built on the burning of fuels and safety last. You have to pay for everything.

[donavi49]

So it's DUBAI! What does foreign technology have to do with it? This is a Dubai low-coster! He flies what he wants. A foreign company just flying in the Russian Federation. Or so ban all Lufthansa there, Air France? They also fly to Russia on a foreign scrap.

Moreover, the broiler was new - 737-800. They are only fresh to eat. The airplane is probably less than 10 years old.

[avt]

Quote: donavi49

Moreover, the broiler was new - 737-800. They are only fresh to eat. The airplane is probably less than 10 years old.

The first one bought in 2009, respectively 7 years old, they bought 50 cars in 2008.

[novobranets]

Quote: donavi49

. The plane is probably less than 10 years old.

The plane is 5 years old, it was considered in excellent technical condition. The airline is considered reliable. This is their first such case. The Emirates is not a poor country, and they do not save on training pilots and on technology.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Tatiana

Aircraft - this is clearly visible on the video - fell almost under 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface of the earth. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.

to the question of degrees:
Dear expert, you probably already know in advance, if you say, the answers to the questions:
what is the focal length of the lens of the disaster camcorder
Camcorder Suspension Height
Distance to the place of fall
The height of the aircraft entry point into the frame
Distance to frame entry point
Camera angle
Gamma characteristic of the video camera matrix

I had to work with special equipment and I know well that without answers at least to these questions, not a single EXPERT will draw conclusions.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: avg-mgn

a question about degrees:

This is a very interesting question.

Quote: avg-mgn

what is the focal length of the lens of the disaster camcorder
Camcorder Suspension Height
Distance to the place of fall
The height of the aircraft entry point into the frame
Distance to frame entry point
Camera angle
The gamma of the matrix of the matrix of the video camera (this is the question of exposure to the trajectory of the aircraft)

All these are abstruse words, but what you listed has nothing to do with the 2 image! because From the course of descriptive geometry (first or second year of the institute), everything that we see in the projection remains the same. And therefore do not be wise. For overdoing it!

[cte power]

THE PLANE THIS DAY WAS IN KIEV

[Generalissimo]

If so, what kind of pravoseki, as with that "Dutch" dispatcher, are they minus here?

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Oleg147741

All these are abstruse words, but what you listed has nothing to do with the 2 image! because From the course of descriptive geometry (first or second year of the institute), everything that we see in the projection remains the same. And therefore do not be wise. For overdoing it!

Sorry, bring you back to questionam, including camera angle. Please post here your conclusion in the projection.

[Ros 56]

People, stop getting smart, all the same people died. I’ll tell you what the eyewitness himself was, an accident occurred, the traffic cops were called in, the witnesses were questioned, three were interviewed and everyone had three different versions, my eyes went up, that’s how it happens.

[ksv36]

This Putin again. We are waiting for cries .....

[Belarus]

Condolences to relatives and friends and the Angel of Consolation to them. Hold on.

Now on the Ukrainian sites there will be malicious comments with joyful screams. But it’s okay, we should be higher than such nonhumans.

[MARK]

They are trying to return Russia to Syria ....

[infantry76]

IN THE DAYS OF GREAT POST I Bring YOUR DEEP CONDOLENCES TO THE KIND AND NEAR DEAD!
LIGHT THEM MEMORY AND ETERNAL PEACE!

[Reptiloid]

The kingdom of heaven to the lost. I am sorry.

[Cook]

Condolences to all the relatives and friends of the victims.
I would not like to make assumptions about the causes of the disaster before I read the materials for deciphering the means of objective control, but the probability of a terrorist act, in my opinion, is lower than say a technical malfunction or a crew error. It would simply be illogical to assume that the explosion was to occur on the return flight from Rostov to Dubai, or when it was on the ground. Predicting that the aircraft before the explosion will be in the waiting area for two hours is almost impossible. To tie the moment of the explosion to the landing gear release, this means integrating the bomb into aircraft systems, it's all pretty complicated. By the way, the procedures for ensuring aviation security at the Dubai airport are quite strict, I have been there as a crew member several times, so I can attest to this. Poor weather conditions can certainly adversely affect a favorable flight outcome, but they cannot be the cause of the disaster, since they are either authorized for landing or not. And if the crew embarked on a landing approach in unacceptable weather conditions, then he violated the rules. Also, with a sharp deterioration in weather conditions during the approach, the crew is obliged to complete withdrawal to the second round. In my opinion, the crew’s error is most likely to occur when moving to the second circle under conditions of wind shear, which led to the aircraft stalling and collision with the ground, in conditions of a lack of altitude and time to correct the situation.

[Denis Skiff]

"After the plane touched the ground, an explosion occurred," the investigation department reported.

I don’t know, maybe I didn’t make out, the TV was far away. but the plane did not touch, it fell at a great angle. the camera on some building in the night caught some lights and judging by them the plane fell. Although maybe the strip flush with the camera was. maybe he really hit the tail as they say. But then the decline was very fast was the trial of the video, if the camera does not jerk off.

How did it happen? He could have gone to another lane, for example, in Yeisk, at a military airfield, is there a normal lane length and the wind was right at the heading? Maybe he could have gone to neighboring areas? What is it? He circled for two hours and during this time he could leave or the bosses would not pat the fuel for the head? Why not go to another lane? Before morning, we had horizontal rain with the wind after a severe storm. The trees of the branch once lost such a storm. Roofs demolished. How so? The Ministry of Emergencies warned me in a few hours about the storm! I didn’t go to the island on a boat, I would drown nafig. Why didn’t the pilots be warned that in the steppe with such a storm and strong gusts on the strip, do not try to get into the lane? Whose pilots were they? People have perished. How did it happen...

[tolmachiev51]

But how five minutes before the crash did the Aeroflot plane land ??? !!! Sort it out.

[Evgeniy31]

Enough to attribute to each news a terrorist attack. I do not think that the UAE could not take care of security, this is not Egypt.
Probably the plane landed, there was a gust of wind and loss of speed, hence this angle.

[miru mir]

Sincere condolences.
The investigative committee reported an explosion on board the crashed ship. The terrorist attack?

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.
http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

in the comments under this video there is also dancing on the bones. It’s strange that those Satanists and I speak the same language.
You can't see the wind in the trees. The camera is shaky. Why? Where is the video from? who filmed?

[vitaliy.rnd]

Camera from the Peugeot car showroom on Sholokhov Avenue. The airport is across the street. It is not the camera that is shaking, but the hands of the person filming this video from the monitor. The edge of the monitor is visible on the right.

[vitaliy.rnd]

Amendment. Renault car dealership.

[supervisor]

It’s sad that people’s lives depended on the wrong decision of the crew. Here is a comment from a person flying in front of this plane:
[i]Bolik 09:23, March 19, 2016
I would like to thank the crew of flight 1166 (unfortunately I did not remember the name of the commander, the co-pilot seems to be Alexey Ivanov - I could be wrong) traveling from Moscow to Rostov, expected arrival time 02.15, for the decision to land in Krasnodar. We were over the city at about 01.45. The first attempt to sit down did not work, as did the second and third. When landing, it shook like an old cart. We circled until approximately 02.20. The commander’s confident and calm voice announced that we were leaving for Krasnodar. The next one, as I later found out, was trying to board a flight from Dubai.......Honestly, now remembering how angry I and other passengers were with the crew, the feeling of shame for myself still does not leave me. I will definitely try to find out the names of the pilots. I will remember you with kind words all my life. In the meantime, guys, to say thank you is an understatement, bow to the ground, respect for your professionalism, good luck! I look towards you!!!! And I will drink all day today!!!!

[roman_pilot]

Weather METAR text: URRR 190200Z 25011MPS 4600 1700SW SHRA BKN014 BKN032CB OVC100 06/04 Q0997 R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740/0987 XNUMX

[askort154]

roman_pilot...Weather METAR text: URRR 190200Z 25011MPS 4600 1700SW SHRA BKN014 BKN032CB OVC100 06/04 Q0997 R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740 0987/XNUMX

Thank you! I can’t find the actual one at the time of the missed approach. If there is, please light it up. On the YouTube video, the moment of transfer from the “circle” to the “landing”, v = 3,5 km, light rain, wind 230-12/19 (excellent conditions), but there is no way to understand what approach, the first or, unfortunately, the last?

[roman_pilot]

Here for an hour, such as URRR 182330Z 24012MPS 3900 -shra SCT019 BKN036CB OVC100 06/03 Q0999 WS R22/22 TEMPO 290046G25015MPS 20 SHRA BKN1000CB RMK QFE003/020

[askort154]

roman_pilot...In an hour, like URRR 182330Z 24012MPS 3900 -SHRA SCT019 BKN036CB OVC100 06/03 Q0999 WS R22 R22/290046 TEMPO 25015G20MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE741 /0979

Thank you! It’s worse here. But it should be somewhere beyond 182230Z, when he left for the second round. Somewhere, 3-45 minus 2 = 1.45, close to 182230Z. I haven’t been to Rostov for a long time, under what category is he now admitted?

[roman_pilot]

The difference from UTC is 3 hours. First category on page 22. On 04 - second

[askort154]

roman_pilot...The difference from UTC is 3 hours. First category on page 22. On 04 - second

I didn't forget about UTC+3. We went to the 22nd, on the first! Thanks again! We will wait for the commission's conclusions.

[roman_pilot]

Found URRR 190130Z 24012G18MPS 4400 1700SW SHRA BKN013 BKN032CB OVC100 06/04 Q0997 R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740/0987

And here is the weather at the moment when he decided to go to the waiting area

URRR 182300Z 24009G15MPS 4500 -SHRA SCT017 BKN036CB OVC100 05/03 Q0999 WS R22 R22/290046 TEMPO 25015G20MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE742/0989

The crash occurred under these conditions

URRR 190100Z 24014G22MPS 3800 -SHRA BKN014 BKN033CB OVC100 06/04 Q0997 R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740/0987

In Rostov, the 22nd lane is the first category, and the 04th is the second category.

[askort154]

roman_pilot...The crash occurred under such conditions

URRR 190100Z 24014G22MPS 3800 -SHRA BKN014 BKN033CB OVC100 06/04 Q0997 R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740/0987

Thank you. I see. Alternating charges. The conditions are difficult, but not critical, especially for Siberians. But for Arabs this is far from everyday life. It seems that he “didn’t fit in” and decided to “leave” (there is info, the last words are “go rund”). If it was “dangling on the calculation” under conditions of “shift”, then when trying to “leave”, it simply “fell”. The Muscovite wisely went to Krasnodar, and the stubborn Greek-Arab decided to show off his “skills” or his unwillingness to go to an unfamiliar airfield with unnecessary hassles.” By the way, according to the information, he came to Rostov for the first time.

[Severok]

For days, one person was at the Murmansk airport, meeting a friend. So, after the meeting, he said that he suffered from fear during landing. Weather: wind from N\W, N\W\N, gusts up to 27 m\s, snow in charges, visibility in charges 50-150 m, board An-26. The airport was not closed.

[Sakhalin.]

Sincerely condolences!

[Bort radist]

The video appeared from the airfield on Life News. This is not a landing, this is a crash of a burning plane. Everyone will be identified by biomaterials. A lot of questions......

[The point]

Peace be upon them.

[Cook]

You know, I agree that the crew here made the wrong decision to land. However, since I have been in a similar situation more than once, I can imagine why this happened. The aircraft commander usually makes a decision to take off, having information about the actual and forecast weather at the arrival airfield and alternate airfields. Moreover, the presence of acceptable weather conditions in fact and in the forecast matters depending on the flight time. Well, for example, conditionally: for a flight lasting more than 5 hours, the actual weather is not taken into account, but a favorable forecast is important. According to the rules, the minimum fuel for a flight is taken from the following calculation: for launch and taxiing, for the flight itself, one landing approach, a flight to an alternate airfield, and 30 minutes of flight at the altitude of the circle at the alternate. Judging by the far from full load of 55 passengers and taking into account the price of kerosene in the UAE and the Russian Federation, it can be assumed that there was enough fuel on board, since in such cases, given the carrier’s business model, it is logical to use so-called tankering. That is, use the maximum possible gas station in order to reduce costs in Rostov. Having arrived at the Rostov circuit and having made two unsuccessful landing attempts, the crew was faced with a dilemma: to continue the flight in the holding area of ​​Rostov-on-Don or to go, say, to Krasnodar. I repeat, I think he had enough kerosene at that time. Not everyone knows that in the event of landing at an alternate airfield due to weather conditions at the landing airfield, the carrier pays 25% of the full tariff for service at this airport, but pays in full for fuel. Usually, in such cases, the crew agrees in advance, for example, we’ll try to get in a couple of times, if we don’t sit down, we’ll go to the spare one, or we’ll hang around in the waiting area for half an hour and then leave. During the flight, the actual and forecast weather is constantly analyzed in the holding area. And then it happens that everyone seems to be getting ready to go to the reserve and then oops, a short-term improvement in the weather or forecast - this is a very delicate moment. You can get very excited. It happened more than once that, having jerked to this, already in the process of landing, the weather again worsened and landing became impossible. But you have already descended and there is no longer enough fuel for the flight to the alternate with a climb, and you must land on the next approach, and if there is no weather, then this is a landing below the minimum. That is, a serious incident that must be investigated and the perpetrators punished. Here everything is already starting to layer: night, bad weather conditions, flying in a holding area in unknown conditions, possible proceedings. Then, when you have already spent two hours in the waiting area and only then went to the reserve, the question may arise as to why you didn’t do this right away. And the reasons for untimely departure can be trivial, for example, given that this is a low-cost airline, it does not flush the toilets on a turnaround flight at a transit airport, does minimal cleaning, does not involve technical services for inspection, does not refuel with water and fuel, etc. That is, it is serviced under a non-standard contract. And at the alternate airfield, taking into account the unclear prospects with the weather, he will have to drain the sewage, and take passengers to the station, and resolve the issue of payment, and all this will have to be dealt with by the crew, since there is no airline representative there, and do much more that is usual hidden from the eyes of passengers. Then, in the process of all this, the crew’s working hours may end, and he will have to go to rest. That is, there can be a bunch of different nuances. A couple of times I had to land with zero readings on the fuel gauges, precisely because of the late departure to the spare. I’ll tell you the feeling, to put it mildly, not very good. Since then, I have always told everyone that timely transfer to a spare room is the most competent decision.

[Dalmatia]

Your comment explains a lot, in particular, why the plane circled in the air for 2 hours and did not go to an alternate airfield.

[epsilon571]

I express my condolences to the families of the victims, mourn the lives lost, and await clarification from the people responsible for such attacks.

Situations like this make you think about a lot of things, and first of all, why vehicle accidents happen so often here. Why does the Lord subject people to such tests on our land. Perhaps this is our fault too?

[tolmachiev51]

Judging by the video, he just fell!!! It’s a pity for the people, it’s a great pity - in loving memory of those who died.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Fregate

Naturally, when dropped at such an angle, it was scattered. I do not know how much fuel this Boeing takes and how much it lasts. But I can make an assumption, perhaps fuel in the UAE is cheaper and he took it to the eyeballs so that it would be enough to get to Rostov and back. All the same it is a "low-fire".

Yes, this is not excluded. But it was possible to change the arrival airport in case of critical weather conditions or run out of fuel until the last minute.

Quote: WSW1WSW

Some of your post is unpleasant. And there is iron logic - I believe. And utter nonsense, which reduces perception to rejection. You could work a little on your text and somehow arrange it in a more logical way.

And you yourself suggest counterarguments and refute them.

Quote: rifert.alex

Nobody mocks. Food for thought. The plane crashed into the ground at an acute angle, and something caused it to fall into a tailspin. Until recently, ours did not recognize the Boeing blown up over the Sinai as a terrorist attack, only when the whole world recognized it, ours were the last to admit it.

This is exactly what is alarming. And it’s very painful and insulting that no one falls, and again our people died...

Quote from DiViZ

This foreign equipment needs to be scrapped. There is money for T50, but there is no money for MS21. Everything is in the project. And the economy is built on burning fuels and safety comes last.

Foreign civil aircraft will seem to be better than ours in a number of ways. And they already said above - the plane was new, and the crew was quite good.

Quote: Evgeniy31

Enough to attribute to each news a terrorist attack. I do not think that the UAE could not take care of security, this is not Egypt.

As a person who has been both there and there, I responsibly declare that both countries are a mess in the field of security. Why - it’s simple, both countries are Arab and Muslim. If you want to see how pre-flight security is organized correctly, visit Israel or just fly with El Al flights.

[Arkan]

The liner, coming from Dubai, fell to the left of the runway at the Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility conditions.

Why wasn’t the plane sent to an alternate airfield?!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Arkan

Why wasn’t the plane sent to an alternate airfield?!

The decision is made by the ship's commander.

[realist]

Quote: Pravdarm

And on the news of Russia 24 on the video from some kind of surveillance camera (b / w) it is clearly visible that it is falling already HOT !!!

It also seemed to me that in the famous video the plane falls on fire.....
Of course, everything may not be so simple, but I’m very sorry for the people, rest......

[vitaliy.rnd]

It seemed.

[TsUS-Air Force]

they used to teach us a film about the adventures of Italians in Russia - there they actually landed a plane on a highway without dispatchers without navigation, but now out of the blue they either fly past the runway or constantly roll out beyond its limits

[L92140]

Do you really believe in the movie or were you joking, for filming the runway was disguised as a highway and the plane was rolled along it

[Dezinto]

What the hell is the weather, watch the video. He landed like a falling brick. Just hit the ground!!!

I Herr knows what kind of pilots there are. With such a maneuver, the entire cabin had to beep, ring, beep and warn that a transom was happening!

http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

[Cook]

You are right, of course, about the alarm in the cockpit, but unfortunately it happens that all this no longer matters, since the mistake has already been made, and there is not enough altitude or time to restore normal flight. Everything happens very quickly, several unfavorable circumstances are superimposed, and in a tense environment you begin to make mistakes that you would never make under normal conditions. I encountered this already when I was a fairly experienced specialist, an instructor, and it was precisely during the go-around process. There is a pattern here: the more experienced the crew, the less often they have to perform this maneuver. And training on a simulator once every six months does not always allow you to consolidate the skill. By the way, in my flight life, go-arounds were more often performed not because of bad weather, but because the previously landed plane did not have time to clear the runway.

[rotfuks]

It is in vain that the version of the terrorist attack is not considered. It was not even considered over Sinai. They could very well have placed a package with an altitude trigger in the luggage at the departure point. The plane was falling very brightly. Like a comet. And he circled in the sky for an amazingly long time. In two hours he could fly anywhere. Apparently it was running out of fuel. It looks like there was an emergency situation on board, since it was running out of fuel. There are already two videos from the scene of the disaster. Video from different angles and everywhere the liner falls, engulfed in flames like a fireball. They won't tell us the truth anyway. It’s like in the disaster near Perm, where all that was left of the plane was debris. The turbines and tail were gone. The main thing is that the airliner fell on a railway track and one of the rails was torn out by the impact. And at the same time the liner disappeared without a trace. Official experts then assured us that the plane dived completely into the ground.

[Cook]

This could, of course, be a terrorist attack, but it is unlikely. If the bomb fuse, as you write, was set to a certain height, then why did it not go off during the two previous landing attempts? If we assume that the fuse was set for a certain time, then the bomb, according to the terrorists, should have exploded either on the ground at the Rostov airport or during the return flight, since hardly anyone could have imagined a two-hour waiting zone. Why such difficulties?

[bamsik]

could he catch a bird in the engine?

[Olegi1]

My condolences to the families of the victims.

[okroshka79]

The plane was destroyed either by an incorrect glide path, or by a strong side wind, etc. It was the carrier's elementary greed that ruined it due to the unwillingness to incur additional costs for an additional flight to a safe airfield and subsequent delivery of passengers to their destination. And our legislation is stinky. They say the decision to land is made by the commander of the aircraft. For the same reason, you need to understand. In Soviet times it was somewhat different. The airport does not accept it, period. I remember an incident when I was flying from Pulkovo to Murmansk. The plane is about to land when it turns around and flies back. The airport was closed while the plane was flying. This happens often with Murmansk. We arrived in Pulkovo, 15 minutes later we flew back - Murmansk opened. But everyone is alive and well. And so, it’s very sad for the people who died. May they rest in peace!

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: okroshka79

The carrier’s elementary greed ruined it due to the unwillingness to incur additional costs for an additional flight to a safe airfield

Nonsense, the plane circled for 2,5 hours, it would have easily flown to Moscow.
It’s just that this company flies where there is no winter, and for the pilots the dive under our snow-rain, bottomless clouds became the first and last.
Inexperience and arrogance in Russian conditions.
I'm so sorry people....
PS. There is no need to accuse the Arabs of greed.. Indeed, there are no greedier carriers in the world than ours!!!
The seats are moved so that the knees are next to the ears, they fly on airplane junk, in companies of 2-7 cars, they feed them with gaun on board, if they can feed you!
I'll make a reservation, not everything, but...

[L92140]

Quote: okroshka79

appointments. And our legislation is stinky. They say the decision to land is made by the commander of the aircraft. For the same reason, you need to understand

This is not our legislation, but international rules for everyone

[Dikson]

Stop writing here about the plane's angle of incidence of 50 degrees, please!!! What makes you think that the video camera from which this picture was taken is PERPENDICULAR to the runway?!! Where did you get the idea that this video camera is located at the END of the runway?!! Is this a photo finish at the stadium? The optics on surveillance cameras are wide-angle, there is a lot of distortion there.. Rain, fog, any directional sufficiently powerful light source is scattered and distorts the picture.. An outdated RSP system, not the best band, disgusting weather.. You know, I had to participate in many times quite wild landings of aircraft in the Arctic.. But it was simpler there: The port is closing, and we are already on approach.. The PIC comes out to the passengers and says: the weather is rubbish, what are we going to do - do we land, or go to the alternate? And they sat down... Only these were old IL-14s... And not Boeings...

[iouris]

The plane circled over Rostov for more than two hours.
The commander of the Armed Forces, by our standards, acted inadequately. But the PIU, after observing this picture for two hours, did not order the crew commander to go to the reserve.
It is reported that the other crew landed safely in Krasnodar. I, of course, understand that the passengers of this flight encountered a problem and criticized the commander and the airline for nothing, but after learning about the crash of the Emirati plane, I think they sharply changed their opinion about the situation.
And draw your own conclusions.

[dakty]

Regarding “collapsed” and not entering the runway: the plane was not thrown onto the runway by the wind, but it actually fell onto the wing. Imagine a 100-ton colossus that stays in the air ONLY thanks to its speed! Landing speed usually = stall speed + 20% (roughly 200 + 40 km/h). And this +20% instantly disappears with a powerful gust of wind! The plane literally stops in mid-air! And then - a stall or a spin. Not every fighter will come out of a flat spin, not to mention such behemoths! For the An-24 this is a minimum of 600m altitude. But this one is larger, heavier and it’s not at all a fact that he is capable of this. Plus, even if the crew “goes on the gas”, it takes time (on the TU-154 it’s about 9 seconds!!! And there are 3 engines that are more responsive than modern ones with a high bypass ratio).
So: the plane is on the glide path, the altitude is about 200m, the speed is about 300, it sees that it is missing, it decides to go on the 3rd circle, the flaps are about 45. It gives the takeoff mode, (time), the flaps and weight do not allow a sharp increase in speed even at this moment of “wind shear” (even if there was no gust of wind near the ground at that moment, at an altitude of more than 50m there is ALWAYS one) - the plane literally “stops” (above there was a visual video from the 747), and then stalling on the wing and 100 tons is not braking and ABSOLUTELY UNCONTROLLED rushing towards the ground....

[rotfuks]

The first mysterious moment is the complete denial of the terrorist attack. The wreckage was still smoking, and all TV channels unanimously reported that there was no terrorist attack. The second mysterious point is the complete absence of large debris and the complete absence of a crater on the take-off field. Today I published a shot of the runway from above. There is no crater either on the ground or on the concrete. As you know, there is no crater when something explodes in the air before reaching the ground. They tell us that the plane crashed before reaching the runway. In this case, the debris is lying to the left of the runway in the middle. That is, the airliner crashed at the beginning of the runway, and the debris was thrown purposefully in one direction. And after that they tell us about the complete absence of a terrorist attack.

[Warrior2015]

Of course, we need to look into the reasons. Of course, they are unlikely to tell us the whole truth.

But I’ve been grieving for three days. Kingdom of Heaven to the lost...

[vitaliy.rnd]

Especially for the sheep who gave me cons. Where do you see the storm and visibility is 70 meters? Where?
Maybe you also see a burning plane?
If you answered yes to all the questions, then you should immediately go to the pharmacy for haloperidol!

[Denis Skiff]

Is he leaning to the left wing? where does the roll come from? low clouds.

[vitaliy.rnd]

There was cloudiness, although judging by the video it was not that low. And it rained lightly from the evening until the morning. It was already about 10 o'clock in the morning that it turned into snow and the wind increased, but not by much. What can I say, everything is clearly visible in the video.

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: Tatiana

GELEZNII_KAPUT
Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.
http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

People and the plane - I feel sorry for everyone.

The owners of the plane said why do they feel sorry? Don't they skimp on fuel? Zhelezyak just doesn’t feel sorry for him. Let at least all the planes of that company in the parking lot burn with a blue flame. We'll forget about this tomorrow. Because I don’t feel sorry for the owners of such aircraft. I don't feel sorry for their planes. They will tear those owners apart with their bare hands.