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In Rostov-on-Don, a passenger Boeing crashed

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In Rostov-on-Don, a passenger Boeing crashed

Passenger aircraft en route from Dubai fell to the left of the runway at Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility conditions. All Boeing passengers were Russians, the source said.
All those aboard the Boeing 737-800 were killed in the crash at the Rostov-on-Don airport, said RIA News source in the emergency services of the region.
The liner, coming from Dubai, fell to the left of the runway at the Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility conditions.
According to preliminary data from the investigation, the flight 981 of the airline Flu Dubai Dubai - Rostov crashed to 3: 40 Moscow time.
According to the source, all the passengers of the flight were Russians, the crew were foreigners.
The investigative committee reported an explosion on board the crashed ship.
"After the plane touched the ground, an explosion occurred," the investigation department reported.
EMERCOM of Russia has opened a "hot line" - 8-800-775-17-17. A group of psychologists has been sent to the airport.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 March 2016 06: 11
    +47
    Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.
    1. The black
      The black 19 March 2016 06: 17
      +24
      Tragedy ... the kingdom of heaven to the lost. Land they rest in peace.
    2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 March 2016 06: 25
      +10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

      Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.
      http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 19 March 2016 06: 30
        +36
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

        According to Flightradar24.com, the aircraft 2 hours 9 minutes was in the airport waiting area before making a second attempt to land
        Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov. Well, the question remains about the training of the crew of the Emirate low-cost airline. The board itself is new - 2011, a technical malfunction is unlikely.
        Condolences to the relatives of the dead ...
        PS From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?
        1. PKK
          PKK 19 March 2016 07: 08
          +10
          The pilot overestimated himself, it’s a shame to leave for Krasnodar. But aviation does not like fools. In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind, admittedly.
          1. krot
            krot 19 March 2016 07: 49
            +28
            One fact infuriates me! They fall mainly with us! Although in Europe, USA, Japan, the flight density is much higher!
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 19 March 2016 08: 20
              +21
              GELEZNII_KAPUT
              Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.
              http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

              Aircraft - this can be clearly seen in the video - fell almost 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface of the earth. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.
              The reason is poor visibility and, for sure, the inexperience of a foreign crew. Foreign companies, as has been noticed for a long time, save money on the remuneration of highly professional pilots and replacing them with low-professional pilots - “gas workers” from the so-called underdeveloped countries. Most likely it was so. In extreme cases - a failure of technology.
              People and the plane are sorry for everyone. The company will receive money for the insurance plane. But people can’t be returned to life and to families. This is very disappointing!
              My condolences to the relatives of the victims!
              1. sub307
                sub307 19 March 2016 09: 00
                +1
                “According to experts, there are three main versions of the tragedy: bad weather conditions, crew error and, possibly, equipment failure. landing at the airport of Rostov-on-Don For an unknown reason, the plane was in the waiting area for about two hours.The crash took place 737-800 meters to the left of the runway.
                All 55 passengers and seven crew members were killed. "
                http://rg.ru/2016/03/19/reg-ufo/nazvany-tri-osnovnyh-versii-krusheniia-lajnera-f
                lydubai.html
                1. Dyagilev
                  Dyagilev 19 March 2016 10: 59
                  -1
                  One expert writes: "... But I can say that as a pilot, I quite often flew to Rostov. I think that, of course, you cannot land a plane blindly at this airport." In other words, the airport in Rostov is equipped - except that the concrete bed was made.
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 19 March 2016 19: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Dyagilev
                    One expert writes: "... But I can say that as a pilot, I quite often flew to Rostov. I think that, of course, you cannot land a plane blindly at this airport." In other words, the airport in Rostov is equipped - except that the concrete bed was made.

                    not that he THINKS is certainly proof ...
                    in general, Rostov is a large city and the port there is normal, given the density of flights ...
              2. Oleg14774
                Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 42
                +7
                Quote: Tatiana
                Aircraft - this can be clearly seen in the video - fell almost 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface of the earth. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.

                One guy gave a correct comment about the landing angle:
                The glide path is a landing plane in the air immediately in front of the runway of the airfield. In order to enter the landing, each plane must go along the line located on the glide path. For modern passenger aircraft, the glide path angle to the runway is about two degrees. Access to the glide path at most aerodromes begins 15-20 kilometers before the end of the runway. Each liner receives permission to land from the dispatcher only when the aircraft is on the glide path. Immediately after entering the glide path, the chassis is also released. The word "glide path" in translation from French means "glide".
                1. Cook
                  Cook 19 March 2016 09: 54
                  +2
                  The angle of inclination of the glide path is usually 2gr. 40 "
                  1. Pravdarm
                    Pravdarm 19 March 2016 10: 44
                    +3
                    And on the news of Russia 24 on the video from some kind of surveillance camera (b / w) it is clearly visible that it is falling already HOT !!!
                    1. iouris
                      iouris 19 March 2016 11: 03
                      +7
                      In heavy rain with the left roll of the sun, could the headlights give such a visual effect?
                      Dive angle - 40-50 degrees. Perhaps the fuel ran out or the plane reached supercritical angles of attack.
                      In any case, it is necessary to wait until the BSARP data and radio exchange are decrypted. It does not seem to be like a terrorist attack.
                      1. netslave
                        netslave 19 March 2016 21: 32
                        +2
                        Judging by the explosion in the video, there was still fuel.
                    2. Danafxnumx
                      Danafxnumx 19 March 2016 19: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Pravdarm
                      And on the news of Russia 24 on the video from some kind of surveillance camera (b / w) it is clearly visible that it is falling already HOT !!!

                      it does not fall burning, it falls at the end of the strip, i.e. headlights to the camera ...
                      in the rain, the headlights seem brighter ...
                  2. Severok
                    Severok 19 March 2016 12: 58
                    0
                    Usually, however, not for all types of passenger and transport vehicles, but admittedly, the difference is from five to several tens of minutes. The main glide path angle is 2 degrees, plus (as you described) forty, minus twenty minutes, if memory serves.
                    I sympathize with the relatives of the victims.
                2. FID
                  FID 19 March 2016 10: 02
                  +10
                  Quote: Oleg147741
                  Access to the glide path at most aerodromes begins 15-20 kilometers before the end of the runway. Each liner receives permission to land from the dispatcher only when the aircraft is on the glide path. Immediately after entering the glide path, the chassis is also released. The word "glide path" in translation from French means "glide".

                  You are somewhat free to handle distances with a landing permit ... Here, from the instrumental landing instructions:

                  The crew is informed at regular intervals about the position of the aircraft relative to the descent path, the approach to the entry point to the glide path, the beginning of the descent, and the achievement of the decision altitude (DH).

                  The landing permit must be transferred on board the aircraft before the aircraft reaches the point located two miles from the touchdown point.

                  Approach control is terminated when the aircraft reaches the intersection of the glide path with a minimum height of flight over obstacles. Nevertheless, information is transmitted on board the aircraft until the aircraft reaches the threshold of the runway.

                  The provision of information may be terminated when the aircraft crew reports on visual observation of the runway or approaching lights, however, the dispatcher should be constantly ready to take control of the approach at the request of the crew.

                  The dispatcher can give a command to leave for the second round:

                  1. If the aircraft is in a dangerous position at the final stage of the approach.

                  2. If there is no way to give permission to land (busy runway).

                  The dispatcher may indicate the advisability of leaving for the second round:

                  1. If the aircraft is in a position where the successful completion of the approach is not guaranteed.

                  2. If the aircraft is not visible on the radar screen at a distance of 2 miles from the touchdown point.

                  3. If there is any doubt about the location of the aircraft in any part of the final stage of the approach.

                  In all these cases, the reasons determining the instructions of the dispatcher must be communicated to the crew.

                  After a failed approach, the dispatcher must re-launch the aircraft for landing.

                  The point of entry into the glide path is -2 miles from the "touchdown (landing) point" is 3.2 km ...
                  1. Oleg14774
                    Oleg14774 19 March 2016 10: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: SSI
                    You are somewhat free to handle distances with a landing permit ... Here, from the instrumental landing instructions:

                    Accepted, thanks!
                  2. roman_pilot
                    roman_pilot 19 March 2016 11: 06
                    +3
                    The point of entry into the glide path depends on the height of the entrance, the higher the farther. In Rostov, the entrance height is 600 meters, the glide path is 2,67 degrees, i.e. glide path entry occurs at a distance of about 6 miles from the end of the runway.
                  3. Cook
                    Cook 19 March 2016 11: 44
                    +2
                    I'm sorry, Sergey Ivanovich, the crew must request and get permission to land before the aircraft approaches 3700m to the landing point, the so-called short final. At this point, the aircraft should already be in the glide path, its configuration should be landing (i.e. the landing gear is released, the wing is mechanized in the landing position), the position of the aircraft relative to the runway should ensure a safe landing. That is, the entrance to the glide path and obtaining permission to land are two different points.
                    1. FID
                      FID 19 March 2016 12: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: Cook
                      That is, the entrance to the glide path and obtaining permission to land are two different points

                      I cited a quote from the instructions for instrumental landing (Ilsovskaya) and it says - "until THAT ... 2 miles" - this is about permission to land, i.e. the plane is already in landing configuration. It's just that Oleg147741 has a distance of 15-20 km ...
                      1. Cook
                        Cook 19 March 2016 14: 40
                        +2
                        The distance from the entry point to the glide path to the end of the runway is specified in the approach pattern for each specific airport. It happens at such a distance, as indicated by Oleg 174741. For example, at the airport Magadan (Sokol), the entrance to the glide path with landing 104 is provided at a distance of 16,5 km. Although, usually of course less.
              3. Oleg14774
                Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 46
                0
                Quote: Tatiana
                Aircraft - this is clearly visible on the video - fell almost at 60 degrees

                glide path description below.
                1. pilot bin-bom
                  pilot bin-bom 19 March 2016 10: 09
                  +1
                  I sympathize with the families of the victims.
                  As for the air traffic control service of the airport, let them buy aviation rules from Belarus:
                  “The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Ordinary flight procedures ”,
                  “The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Schemes using zonal navigation and schemes based on satellite systems ”;

                  Rules:
                  regulate the application of criteria for constructing instrumental approach procedures and typical aircraft take-off and approach procedures depending on the characteristics of aerodrome navigation equipment
                  provide increased flight safety, improved accuracy characteristics of the approach, reduced fuel consumption at the stage of approach,
                  improving the quality of the provision of dispatching services in nodal dispatch areas and dispatch zones.
              4. Nikolay K
                Nikolay K 19 March 2016 22: 15
                0
                The wind was real with very strong gusts. And it’s down below, just a hurricane. In difficult weather conditions, the pilot apparently allowed a decrease in speed below the threshold, and the plane simply crashed down.
            2. Muvka
              Muvka 19 March 2016 08: 54
              +1
              Quote: krot
              http://vk.com/video-36039_456239078?hash=58d881cec32f17b3

              Can I ask when the plane crashed last time?
          2. FID
            FID 19 March 2016 08: 02
            +29
            Quote: PKK
            . In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind, admittedly.

            I apologize, people fly poorly ... For airplanes, there are so-called weather minimums (headwind, tailwind, crosswind, visibility vertical and horizontal ...). With permissible minimums, the aircraft MUST land, provided that it is PILOTED !!!
            1. Rostov Papa
              Rostov Papa 19 March 2016 09: 41
              +14
              Yesterday in Rostov there was a storm warning, wind up to 30 m / s, they blew on all local channels and sent SMS. Why did not close the airport a big question.
              1. Dryuya2
                Dryuya2 19 March 2016 10: 01
                +1
                Quote: Rostov Dad
                Why did not close the airport a big question.

                if interested on this subject - article
                http://skynav.ru/pax/meteo/
                Flying and non-flying weather.
                Absolutely non-flying weather from the point of view of a passenger can be only a minor inconvenience for the pilot, while at the same time, quite tolerable weather in the traditional sense can be non-flying.
                completely here:
                http://skynav.ru/pax/meteo/
              2. askort154
                askort154 19 March 2016 10: 35
                +7
                Rostov Papa .... Yesterday in Rostov there was a storm warning, the wind was up to 30 m / s, they trumpeted all local channels and sent SMS. Why the airport was not closed is a big question.

                Airports are not closed downwind.
                Each type of aircraft has its own restrictions on "wind": "headwind", "sidewind" and "tailwind", depending on the coefficient of friction on the runway. And also the maximum value of the wind speed for the operation of this aircraft. Example: Maximum values ​​for "dry" runway for Tu-154, oncoming 35 m / s, lateral - 15 m / s, passing-5 m / s.
                The crew itself calculates the limit values ​​depending on the friction coefficient on the runway and makes decisions on take-off or landing.
                1. Dryuya2
                  Dryuya2 19 March 2016 11: 53
                  0
                  large debris is not visible at all.
                  ======
                  19.03/2016/XNUMX Video from the crash site

                2. alone
                  alone 19 March 2016 15: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: askort154
                  Why did not close the airport a big question.

                  And yet. According to reports, the 2,5 aircraft circled for about an hour, waiting for permission to land. Interestingly, during this time it was difficult to send it to another airport? There are almost a dozen such airports in the vicinity.
                  1. kotvov
                    kotvov 19 March 2016 19: 32
                    +1
                    .It is interesting, during this time it was difficult to send him to another airport ?,
                    The commander of the SAM vessel resolves this issue.
                  2. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 19 March 2016 19: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: lonely
                    Quote: askort154
                    Why did not close the airport a big question.

                    And yet. According to reports, the 2,5 aircraft circled for about an hour, waiting for permission to land. Interestingly, during this time it was difficult to send it to another airport? There are almost a dozen such airports in the vicinity.

                    not difficult, and he was offered ...
                    but the low-coster saved money, that's all ...
                    1. alone
                      alone 19 March 2016 21: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: DanaF1
                      not difficult, and he was offered ...
                      but the low-coster saved money, that's all ...


                      Hmm ... saved up. And "diots
              3. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 19 March 2016 19: 57
                0
                Quote: Rostov Dad
                Yesterday in Rostov there was a storm warning, wind up to 30 m / s, they blew on all local channels and sent SMS. Why did not close the airport a big question.

                because such weather is not supercritical ...
                in such conditions, the decision on landing is made by the PIC and only he, and the airport is closed when, for example, at the 20 runway see water ...
            2. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 11: 58
              +4
              I immediately remembered the catastrophe in Kazan, where the Boeing just cut into the ground, almost vertically.
              And also leaving for the second round.
              1. 16112014nk
                16112014nk 19 March 2016 21: 36
                +1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                I immediately remembered the catastrophe in Kazan, where the Boeing just cut into the ground, almost vertically.
                And also leaving for the second round.

                In Kazan, watermelon-321 actually fell. But horseradish radish is not sweeter. People are still sorry. Imagine what people experienced at the time of the fall. Himself once got with his wife in an almost similar situation, well, except for the fall. They flew from Egypt to Babodedovo, and near Tula circles began to be cut: Tula-Ryazan-Kaluga, and this whole thing was with a plane shaking. Some kind of cyclone passed through Moscow. About 40-50 minutes circled. Wife today immediately remembered how she sat, clutching the arms of a chair.
            3. novobranets
              novobranets 19 March 2016 14: 38
              +6
              Quote: SSI
              the plane is OBLIGED to land, on condition of a MILITARY PILOT !!!

              A bit off topic, but that's what good pilots can do.
              1. TsUS-Air Force
                TsUS-Air Force 19 March 2016 17: 34
                -1
                it's just a betrayal of throwing our boys to fly on such
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          4. Revolver
            Revolver 19 March 2016 08: 20
            +17
            Quote: PKK
            The pilot overestimated himself, a shame to leave for Krasnodar.
            Approximately like the Polish TU-154 near Smolensk. Well, the truth is there, over the soul of the pilot, the reappraiser with big stars stood on uniform, and in the cabin the reappraiser of a rank even higher.
            Quote: PKK
            But aviation does not like fools.
            Everyone believes that he is just not. But life shows who is who.
            Quote: PKK
            Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind
            Yes, no worse than the TU-154 in the fog.
          5. Bayonet
            Bayonet 19 March 2016 08: 59
            +7
            Quote: PKK
            In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind.

            Feels like "specialist"! Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to fence in nonsense with a clever look! negative
          6. Sashka
            Sashka 19 March 2016 09: 42
            0
            In Krasnodar, the weather is no better, if not worse. The second day drizzles with strong gusts of wind. But I do not think that these unfavorable conditions are direct. And why did the ship enter the ground at an angle of about 45 degrees ?! This is where such attempts to land a ship are taught? Maybe the fuel ran out, then there should not have been such an explosion ... Good day to all.
            PS Condolences to family and friends ...
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 19 March 2016 10: 12
              +4
              Quote: Sashka
              . And why did the ship enter the ground at an angle of about 45 degrees ?! This is where such attempts to land a ship are taught?

              With the so-called wind displacement, a sharp loss of the lift force of the wing is possible and, as a result, the car stalls at the peak.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 13: 14
                +2
                Quote: Bayonet
                With the so-called wind displacement, a sharp loss of the lift force of the wing is possible and, as a result, the car stalls at the peak.

                Here's a video caught, just in time for your koment, the disaster is similar, but the credits, apparently, are deceptive ..
                1. 16112014nk
                  16112014nk 19 March 2016 21: 43
                  +3
                  This is the fall of the cargo B-747 in Afghanistan. And in Kazan, Watermelon-321 fell.
                2. Old
                  Old 19 March 2016 21: 44
                  +1
                  Under Kandahar crashed. The military side of the United States. Spirits are running. Creepy picture. I imagine what was happening on board. Rest in peace.
          7. Vorchun
            Vorchun 19 March 2016 10: 00
            +8
            Quote: PKK
            The pilot overestimated himself, a shame to leave for Krasnodar.

            Several sides before him went to the spare.
            This is just such a case when in the aviation they say that "it is better to perebryat than to crap", in a decent version - "it is better to be funny than pathetic."
          8. Tambov Wolf
            Tambov Wolf 19 March 2016 10: 15
            +9
            You are absolutely right. The commander of the ship makes a decision. In this case, the Cypriot commander by nationality wanted to be cooler than Everest, although everyone else went to other airfields.
            1. FID
              FID 19 March 2016 10: 39
              +6
              Quote: Tambov Wolf
              You are absolutely right. The commander of the ship makes a decision. In this case, the Cypriot commander by nationality wanted to be cooler than Everest, although everyone else went to other airfields.

              I'm sorry, BUT ... A / k flyDubai is low-budget, i.e. saves on everything. Taking a spare is fuel consumption and passenger service costs (hotel and transfer to the airport of destination). I do not rule out that the commander contacted Dubai for 2 hours in the air to get the go-ahead for a spare ... (fuel, when landing a second time, there was still 2 hours of flight left). I never fly by charters and low-budget people, although I have already flown around the moon and return to Earth. Honestly, I am AFRAID of flying so-called "commercial" aircraft and flights ...
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 19 March 2016 11: 04
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                A / k flyDubai low-budget, i.e. saves on everything.
                An airline from the United Arab Emirates, based at Dubai International Airport. The company Flydubai was founded by the government of Dubai (it seems not a private trifle request ) in 2009 and operates its flights from Terminal 2 of Dubai International Airport.
                1. FID
                  FID 19 March 2016 11: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  An airline from the United Arab Emirates, based at Dubai International Airport. Flydubai was founded by the government of Dubai

                  Only, you have not added the LOUKOSTER ... And the low-cost is the definition of a low-budget ...
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          9. weksha50
            weksha50 19 March 2016 12: 25
            +2
            Quote: PKK
            The pilot overestimated himself, a shame to leave for Krasnodar.



            Krasnodar, Sochi (Adler), Anapa, Minvody, and the same Grozny - these are only those airfields that I know ... And that's all - pretty close to Rostov-on-Don ... Bad weather conditions could not be everywhere, for 2 hours you could fly away the devil knows where and sit quietly ...

            PS They dispersed the schools and academies of the Civil Air Fleet, dispersed them, then allowed foreign crews to be recruited ... No company will give good pilots, but mediocre ones, take them "to your health" ...

            And with experienced dispatchers, as I understand it, there are also problems ...
          10. alone
            alone 19 March 2016 15: 55
            +2
            Quote: PKK
            In addition, Boeings seem to fly poorly in the wind, admittedly.

            Do you seriously think that the creators and manufacturers are so stupid that they ignored the wind factor when designing the Boeing? There is no use for Boeing. There are few places on Earth with such winds. They plant there without problems.
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 19 March 2016 07: 20
          +7
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

          Moreover, he was already burning in the air. Is it really a terrorist attack again? It’s a pity people feel pain, there were also 4 children ...
          1. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 19 March 2016 07: 47
            +4
            Perhaps it didn’t burn. Headlights. Although it depends on the angle. If the shooting was a little in front, i.e. walked almost across the strip, then the headlights shone into the camera. Filmed from Sholokhov Avenue, it runs parallel to the strip
            1. Armored optimist
              Armored optimist 19 March 2016 08: 26
              0
              Board talks with displays
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4m0FcsLnEg
              You can hear the disp saying: wind 14, gusts up to 19 direction 230. Landing was 238.
              1. Old
                Old 19 March 2016 08: 42
                -2
                Well, the wind is almost headwind. The weather is normal.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 19 March 2016 09: 20
                  +2
                  The last negotiations of the pilots of the crashed Boeing with air traffic controllers of Rostov airport: audio
            2. PKK
              PKK 19 March 2016 08: 44
              +2
              The shooting was on the side, and the headlights from the plane would not reach the avenue. The headlights shone perpendicular to the camera and were unlikely to hit it. A luminous ball fell at an angle, which is difficult to understand, but the flame is visible.
              1. 97110
                97110 19 March 2016 10: 25
                +1
                Quote: PKK
                The shooting was on the side, and the headlights from the plane will not reach the avenue

                Runway in parallel with 40 years of Victory, leaving Sholokhov. The plane landed in the direction of Aksay, from Sholokhov headlights should not be visible.
            3. Oleg14774
              Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 02
              +4
              Quote: armored optimist
              Perhaps it didn’t burn. Headlights. Although it depends on the angle. If the shooting was a little in front

              it’s hard to say at what angle he was walking, but most likely parallel to the strip. judging by the road (this road is in front of the airport, a residential area, it’s good that it’s on the left and not on the right, there are a lot of houses there and all the high-rise buildings). There is a light in the fog (radiance, due to the reflection of light by drops of water in the air) So it really can be lights, but the angle of incidence raises a bunch of questions.
        3. Iline
          Iline 19 March 2016 07: 27
          +7
          According to a published video of an outdoor surveillance camera, the plane crashed at a very high vertical speed. Moreover, in the rear of the fuselage the flame is clearly visible.
          1. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 19 March 2016 08: 12
            0
            Here on one of the forums Rostov posted ... and the list of the dead https://vk.com/wall-36039_1093512
            1. WSW1WSW
              WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 50
              +2
              This indicates a very high speed of collision with the ground.
          2. FID
            FID 19 March 2016 08: 27
            +4
            Quote: Iline
            Moreover, in the rear of the fuselage the flame is clearly visible.

            I apologize, the lights are most likely the landing lights ...
            1. Iline
              Iline 19 March 2016 08: 44
              +4
              May be so. Only the light from these headlights is painfully uneven. Although ... No one knows the characteristics of the surveillance camera itself. If not very blurry, then at a high speed of the object, some blur may be observed.
              1. Oleg14774
                Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 15
                -1
                Quote: Iline
                Only the light from these headlights is painfully uneven. Though..

                Fog at different heights can be of different densities.
              2. Iline
                Iline 19 March 2016 10: 13
                +2
                Well, in the development of the topic.
                President of the Flight Safety International Consulting and Analytical Agency Valery Shelkovnikov told Rossiyskaya Gazeta that a published record of the moment the passenger Boeing crashed in Rostov-on-Don indicates that the plane caught fire in the air and then collided with the ground at high speed.

                Apparently not for me it seemed.
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          4. vitaliy.rnd
            vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 09: 08
            0
            This is not a flame, but landing lights.
        4. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 19 March 2016 07: 31
          +8
          2 hours embroidered around the AP. Fell after the 3rd attempt to sit down. It’s strange that he didn’t leave. The Rostovites say that it was at the time of the disaster that the wind reared. The governor said it was 18 m / s. Allowed sidewall for type 17.
          1. KVIRTU
            KVIRTU 19 March 2016 08: 09
            +14
            Business, go there. Landing at another airport - you will need to arrange a transfer to the specified port of arrival.
            In general: "different types of aircraft may have different meteorological minima (therefore, some planes land, while others do not), and different crews may have different meteorological minima - that is, depending on the experience of people at the controls, even the same planes may not sit at each other. another: someone can, but someone will have to fly to a spare "," When drawing up a flight plan, alternate aerodromes along the entire route are necessarily calculated. Moreover, if the alternate airfield is closed somewhere, the route can be changed right in flight so that at each stage of the flight the alternate aerodrome is within reach. "
            1. WSW1WSW
              WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 10: 35
              +1
              GORGEOUS COMMENT !!!
              It is immediately clear that you are a "TECHNICIAN" and not a "TECHNOLOGIST". Thank you "KVIRTU" for such detailed explanations, and especially for "aviation Internet specialists" hi
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          3. vitaliy.rnd
            vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 09: 10
            0
            What is the revelry of the wind? My window was open all night. There was little rain, but there was no wind. Yes, and the video shows this.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 19 March 2016 17: 32
              -1
              Quote: vitaliy.rnd
              What is the revelry of the wind? My window was open all night. There was little rain, but there was no wind. Yes, and the video shows this.

              You probably know better I don’t live in Rostov, in my opinion it’s not the wind but the old Boeing, the almost complete absence of new aircraft, if the military still replenishes somehow, then there’s simply no civil aviation, the kingdom of heaven is dead, they rest in peace.
              1. Old
                Old 19 March 2016 22: 10
                0
                I also doubted at first. But all a few boards went to Krasnodar. Maybe the wind was on top. We will find out soon.
            2. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 19 March 2016 22: 45
              -1
              A window is open all night at zero temperature? Well you have a drown. There was a strong west wind with hurricane gusts, just from one o'clock to five in the morning.
          4. Ivan750
            Ivan750 19 March 2016 10: 48
            +1
            Judging by the schedule, after the second attempt to sit down, he went to climb and at that moment fell.
        5. Armored optimist
          Armored optimist 19 March 2016 07: 44
          +7
          In this situation, the question is still for everyone, but the decision to land or leave in civil aviation is not made by the RP or the dispat, but by the aircraft commander.
          It is precisely the Poles who blame our dispensation in Smolensk. In the flight plan they had the letter M - military, i.e. the military side and the RP was obliged, as they believe, to give a command, and not just information.
          In fact, the IAC was trying to take the certificate of airworthiness from the type because of problems with the transfer of the stabilizer. Now the topic will be raised again.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 19 March 2016 08: 20
            +3
            Yes Yes Yes...
            Kazan. Also Boeing, also 737.
            http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/144910
            1. FID
              FID 19 March 2016 09: 35
              +1
              Quote: ImPerts
              Kazan. Also Boeing, also 737.

              Somewhat different bobiki ... the 500th in Kazan and the 800th in Rostov ..
          2. Old
            Old 19 March 2016 09: 02
            +8
            That is why the Poles were allowed to make a call. If they didn’t go by the radio altimeter, they would have remained alive. Before them, the IL-76 was sent to a spare.

            The video shows that the plane is crashing. The wind is in the strip, and it’s not visible that the trees swayed strongly. Pilot error, most likely. I lost speed, fell down. Dubai lowcoster, bl.
          3. WSW1WSW
            WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 10: 37
            0
            THANKS FOR EXPLANATORY WORDS! hi
        6. AlexTires
          AlexTires 19 March 2016 07: 47
          +1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov.

          To land at another airport, you need to share airport taxes. Volgograd is near there, it seems, if only there, or in Krasnodar, but there, as far as I know more expensive. Although I doubt that this is the case, most likely a malfunction or an error when landing in bad weather conditions ... I tend to the second ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 19 March 2016 08: 14
            +5
            Quote: AlexTires
            most likely a technical malfunction or an error when landing in bad weather conditions ... I tend to the second.

            Deep condolences to the families, families and friends of the deceased ...
            A couple of words.
            Wind 22m / s, miss on the strip, glide path under 45 *, night - spatial orientation is difficult ... Apparently the crew could not cope with all this. Or a technical malfunction did not allow damping of suddenly arising introductory ...
            Sincerely sorry ... The unbearable pain of loss ...
            1. AlexTires
              AlexTires 19 March 2016 08: 43
              +4
              that is, in bad weather - go to the alternate aerodrome, and this is the most competent decision, despite the fact that the approach scheme in Rostov does not present any difficulty ... most likely there was a loss of speed on the glide path and an increase in vertical rate of decline ...
        7. ImPerts
          ImPerts 19 March 2016 08: 16
          0
          There are many questions. Here's another example of conspiracy theory:
          "IAC revelations: who lied about the Boeing-737 crash in Kazan?

          TWO YEARS ROSAVIATION SILENT ABOUT THAT THE REASON OF THE TRAGEDY IN NOVEMBER 2013 OF THE YEAR IS CONSIDERED BY THE CONSTRUCTIVE DEFECT OF THE AMERICAN PLANE

          The IAC's statement on the suspension of the Boeing-737 aircraft certificates in Russia caused a stir in the industry the day before. But an even more sensational reason: it turns out that the Federal Air Transport Agency first signed a report on the investigation of the causes of the plane crash in Kazan, and then suddenly withdrew the signature, insisting on the version of the elevator malfunction. At the same time, other Boeing-737s may have the same defect. Experts of "BUSINESS Online" see revenge for "Transaero" behind the disclosure of these facts, but this does not change the essence of the matter "
          http://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/144910
          1. Sashka
            Sashka 19 March 2016 10: 24
            0
            Quote: ImPerts
            Here's another conspiracy theory piggy bank

            Add:
            "The crash killed the deputy of the regional Legislative Assembly, the head physician of the regional hospital No. 2 Igor Pakus and his wife. Earlier, sources in the government of the Azov region of the Rostov region told RIA news about the death of the wife and daughter of the head of the region Valery Bevzyuk."
            Non-middle class people flew ... Officials, their relatives ... And another moment, why did the plane fly empty? Of the 189 seats, only 55 were occupied? I doubt that the flight pays off when the aircraft is full a little more than 1/3 ...
            Once again, condolences to the family and friends ...
        8. Bayonet
          Bayonet 19 March 2016 08: 54
          +1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

          What does a kamikaze have to do with it? Out of place like that kind of jokes. The plane touched the ground with an unsuccessful attempt to land and could not leave for the next run, loss of speed and stall. By the way, the first disaster in this company, and all experienced pilots are not kamikaze. While information on the causes of the disaster is contradictory and has several versions, we must wait. hi
        9. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 19 March 2016 08: 57
          +1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. A kamikaze pilot?

          also drew attention to this. It looks like a fall, but not a miss.
        10. figwam
          figwam 19 March 2016 09: 28
          +1
          While he circled for 2 hours, his height was constantly changing, he was either sharply decreasing or rising again, the difference was up to 5 km.
        11. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 March 2016 09: 47
          +6
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov. Well, the question remains about the training of the crew of the Emirate low-cost airline.

          You can search for and sort out the reasons for a long time and hard - the organization of flights, poor aircraft, unskilled crew, poor airfield equipment and services ...

          For me, one thing is objective - so many planes did not fall in the USSR !!!! Why?

          Many, for example, say that our roads are bad, because there are a lot of cars (although on the Soviet asphalt, for example, for a month after laying, a track was not formed for some reason). By analogy, there are more aircraft. Only this is nonsense. Yes, there haven’t been so many international flights. But inside the country, people flew wherever they wanted - a student could fly for half a scholarship to his parents for 1000 km, and a collective farmer for one and a half rubles - from Dendyurevka to Kabanovka. So there were several times more crushes in the air, but fewer fell ... Strange. Maybe we are not looking for a reason there?
          1. Cook
            Cook 19 March 2016 10: 12
            +7
            May I ask you a question, what is your belief based on, that much fewer aircraft fell in the USSR? In the USSR, all information regarding the state of flight safety was chipboard, and nothing was ever reported about this in the press. Now even such a trivial event as the destruction of the pneumatics of a wheel or a crack in the cockpit’s glass is an occasion for an urgent news release and the prosecutor’s office began checking.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 19 March 2016 11: 59
              +2
              Quote: Cook
              In the USSR, all information regarding the state of flight safety was chipboard, and nothing was ever reported about this in the press.

              And in Soviet times, you never had to see at a military airfield how flights were "hammered" in Krasnodar, if a piece of bitumen flew off the runway in Krasnoyarsk on takeoff and the power of the fighter's engine dropped to 60% due to the fact that then traces of bitumen were found on blades of the second stage of the compressor?

              I’m not a flyer, I was standing nearby, I don’t really know what this second stage of the compressor looks like, but I know that such telegrams came in secret.

              Who, dear, told you that my information was purely from Soviet television and no one except you, of course, had access to the information from the chipboard?

              By the way, the chipboard was on a completely harmless installation manual for D-1-5U ...
              1. Cook
                Cook 19 March 2016 12: 37
                +10
                In Soviet times, I had to study materials on investigation of aircraft accidents, go to endless special events devoted to such events, work out the correct actions on the simulator, participate in investigations, etc. And here are military airfields, secret telegrams and some kind of manuals?
                Did you have access to safety data in the general aviation? Can you tell how many disasters were in the GA of the USSR in 1974, for example? I can - 38 disasters: 4 Mi-6 crashes, 3 Il-18 crashes, 2 An-24 crashes, 2 An-12, 2 Yak -40. The rest occurred with Mi-8, Mi-2, An-2, Ka-26, Mi-1, Il-14, etc. This is not counting the numerous accidents that did not lead to human casualties. Who in those years spread this much? Why do you talk about such things if you do not have complete information? For example, I don’t know how things were with the accident in the Air Force, so I don’t write about it.
                1. askort154
                  askort154 19 March 2016 13: 13
                  +2
                  Juice .... Did you have access to safety materials in the GA? In Soviet times, I had to study materials on investigation of aircraft accidents, go to endless special events devoted to such events, work out the correct actions on the simulator, and participate in investigations ...

                  I subscribe to your every word! Flight experience 40 calendar years.
                  Yours faithfully! Alexander.
                  1. Cook
                    Cook 19 March 2016 14: 57
                    +2
                    Thanks for the support of a colleague.
                    Regards, Konstantin.
          2. 97110
            97110 19 March 2016 10: 36
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            although on Soviet asphalt, for example, a month after laying, a track was not formed for some reason)

            Have you ever met convoys of road trains with a gross weight of up to 100 tons with the permitted 40? When owls. authorities and I have not met. And now people who live near some a / d do not get tired of complaining. Some people were lucky to build houses near the rubble cargo flow.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 19 March 2016 12: 06
              +1
              Quote: 97110
              Road train columns with a gross weight of up to 100 tons when allowed 40 never met? When owls. authorities and I have not met.

              On the central streets of the millionth city in which I live? Garbage trucks do not even go there - they make their way through secondary roads ... For this, they came up with bypass roads around the city ... Also, by the way, under the Soviet regime ...

              If only 100-ton city buses and trolleybuses ... laughing

              I’m not a road specialist, but I talked to the hard workers - they say the asphalt is completely different, the technology has been changed, a lot of secondary stuff is put to save (white dinosaurs travel like that, they remove the top layer). I would understand on the tracks - I drive out of town myself, I see ... But on the central streets of the city and a month after the repair - I do not understand ...
        12. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 March 2016 09: 54
          +3
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          PS From the video of the fall - well, it doesn't look like an attempt to land at all. The impression is that the "Boeing" stupidly entered the dive and crashed. Kamikaze pilot?

          Something really doesn't look like landing. I saw more than once "Afghani approaches" - there is no landing here. It's just a fall. In addition, the fall of a burning plane is not a flyer himself, maybe that is why he looked more at landing takeoffs from the side and flew as a "payload". And I've seen enough of night flights as well. This is not the work of engines - it is a burning airplane.
        13. pilot bin-bom
          pilot bin-bom 19 March 2016 10: 11
          -5
          I sympathize with the families of the victims.
          As for the air traffic control service of the airport, let them buy aviation rules from Belarus:
          “The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Ordinary flight procedures ”,
          “The construction of visual flights and instrument flights. Schemes using zonal navigation and schemes based on satellite systems ”;

          Rules:
          regulate the application of criteria for constructing instrumental approach procedures and typical aircraft take-off and approach procedures depending on the characteristics of aerodrome navigation equipment
          provide increased flight safety, improved accuracy characteristics of the approach, reduced fuel consumption at the stage of approach,
          improving the quality of the provision of dispatching services in nodal dispatch areas and dispatch zones.
        14. Stas157
          Stas157 19 March 2016 14: 21
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Even if there was a strong wind and other difficult weather conditions, what was impossible in two hours to go to another airfield? This is an issue for air traffic management in Rostov.

          The decision to go to the alternate airfield is made by the FAC.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2016 06: 32
        +6
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

        At different heights, the wind can differ greatly not only in speed, but also in direction. A sort of layer cake.
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 19 March 2016 08: 25
          0
          Quote: novobranets
          At different heights, the wind can differ greatly not only in speed, but also in direction. A sort of layer cake.

          I heard the phrase "air scissors" on the radio - how's that? (if not difficult)
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 19 March 2016 09: 00
            +6
            Imagine a plane descending at a certain angle by a calculated navigator, but the pitch is called, however, the wind, for example at a height of 100 m, the right one. In order not to leave the glide path and not to leave the runway, the pilot fights off the demolition with trimmers of elevators, rolls, and directions. At an altitude of 70m, the wind suddenly changes speed and direction, for example, on the left. T.K rudder trimmers are already set to compensate for drift to the left, the plane is tilting to the right wing, losing altitude dramatically. There is a danger of stalling. And if the wind changes again below, then all the pilot’s efforts to level the car will come to naught, in the worst case they will play against him, yet the mass of the passenger liner is serious. Further already depends on the skill of the pilot. Trying to quench the vertical speed, the pilot adds traction, changes the angle of the flaps and raises the nose of the aircraft, but the landing speed is not enough to level the roll and gain altitude, or at least reduce vertical speed, the plane can sink and hit with its tail. lack of visibility. Well, imagine. Something like this is happening. Of course, I am not an expert, and I wrote, I feel, not very clearly, but these reasons most often play the main role. hi
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 19 March 2016 09: 37
              +2
              Quote: novobranets
              the plane can land and hit with its tail.
              Well, the video shows that the plane clearly did not hit the tail, but entered the ground at an acute angle. There have already been reports that "a very rare phenomenon was observed in the airfield area, which is called a" jet stream. "This is when the wind speed exceeds 100 km / h. This is over 30 m / s." Twice the allowable crosswind limit for landing! But "the crew in vain waited for an improvement in weather conditions. It was initially clear from the forecast that this would not happen. However, the decision on the actions of the case was made by the aircraft commander."
              Fly Dubai is a companyloukoster and that's it. Save on everything, including safety. The aircraft commander killed passengers, the crew and the car because of the threat of depriving the salary bonus ... Terrible.
              But why haven’t our Rostov been shut down?
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 19 March 2016 11: 35
                +1
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Well, the video shows that the plane obviously did not hit with its tail, but entered the ground at an acute angle.

                I wrote there about common cases. Here, as far as I can tell from the video, the plane was already uncontrollable - loss of speed, respectively lift, it did not fly, but fell, because the pitch is so steep.
            2. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 19 March 2016 09: 45
              +2
              Quote: novobranets
              Of course, I’m not an expert, and I wrote, I feel, not very clearly,

              Thank you - more or less enlightened.
            3. roman_pilot
              roman_pilot 19 March 2016 11: 42
              -1
              Have you heard anything about fly-by-wire ?!
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 19 March 2016 11: 58
                0
                fly-by-wire, Sukhoi Superjet, or just electro-hydraulics. What the question is not understood.
                1. roman_pilot
                  roman_pilot 19 March 2016 12: 34
                  +1
                  Your description of the control process has nothing to do with modern airplanes.
                  1. novobranets
                    novobranets 19 March 2016 13: 08
                    +1
                    So I did not describe the process itself. Just a principle, in a nutshell. And what, have the laws of aerodynamics changed recently? whatIf skeletal-speaking, then sorry, literary talent deprived, immediately honestly warned.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2016 06: 37
        +7
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

        If you carefully watch this video, you will see that the wind is really strong. Another thing is that I myself do not recall the last time the plane crashed because of the wind.
        1. askort154
          askort154 19 March 2016 08: 08
          +11
          Alexander Romanov ...... Another thing is that I myself hardly remember the last time the plane crashed because of the wind.

          Due to the "wind", there were a lot of accidents and plane crashes in the 70s-80s,
          both in the USSR and abroad. For a long time they could not understand why on the pre-landing straight, the plane lost control. In the end, they found the cause - "wind shear". This is when abrupt changes in wind direction and speed occur in the surface layer. Recommendations for piloting techniques and meteorological forecasting of "wind shear" have been developed. Now, on some modern aircraft there are locators that determine "wind shear".
          Most likely in this catastrophe there was a strong "wind shear".
          The captain had to make a competent decision - to go to the alternate aerodrome.
          He stubbornly (2 hours 9 minutes) "roamed" in the waiting area, waiting for the wind speed to decrease in fact. The commission will figure it out. I grieve.
      4. Cheshire
        Cheshire 19 March 2016 06: 38
        +13
        A terrible tragedy, as we have in Kazan a couple of years ago. Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

        Judging by the video, the angle of entry into the ground is approximately 45 degrees. There is nothing to do with the wind. We are waiting for the results of the investigation.
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 20
          -1
          Quote: Cheshire
          Judging by the video, the angle of entry into the ground is approximately 45 degrees.

          if not more!
          Quote: Cheshire
          There is nothing to do with the wind.

          the wind can change the direction of flight or slightly raise or lower the plane, but not over a large area, because equipment and an experienced pilot immediately react, but then he just fell in a straight line.
        2. Old
          Old 19 March 2016 22: 46
          0
          We see only the final piece of the trajectory. The tail did not hit the camera with the tail, the subsequent climb, loss of speed and stall ... This is if you add up all the scattered information. Maybe there was no touch, but everything else was accurate. This can be seen in the graphs of speed and altitude.
      5. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 19 March 2016 07: 48
        +4
        Our wind is strong somewhere around 12-14 m / s ... every three minutes the gusts are intensified, the wind is lateral to the runway.
        1. askort154
          askort154 19 March 2016 09: 23
          +3
          Cheshire ... Judging by the video, the angle of entry into the ground is approximately 45 degrees. There is nothing to do with the wind. We are waiting for the results of the investigation.

          I haven’t seen the video. (Are you sure that this is the case on it?) But it doesn’t matter.
          In practice: The aircraft on the pre-landing straight flies at a speed close to the minimum safe. (Vp = Vw + 20%). If the aircraft enters the zone of strong "wind shear", where the aerodynamic balance of lift distribution is disturbed, the aircraft briefly loses controllability and may "fall on the wing" or into a "spin", and because of lack of height cannot get out of this situation. It can "enter" the ground at any chaotic angle. I described the problems of "wind shear" in an accessible form not for professionals and in "a nutshell." The real results will be - the conclusions of the commission.
        2. vitaliy.rnd
          vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 09: 26
          -3
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          Our wind is strong somewhere around 12-14 m / s ... every three minutes the gusts are intensified, the wind is lateral to the runway.


          No need to lie. Look better at the window and try to see gusts of wind.
          1. Rostovchanin
            Rostovchanin 19 March 2016 10: 01
            +3
            No need to lie. Look better at the window and try to see gusts of wind.
            Dear, you would have slept before 10, now the wind has really calmed down and the snow has gone, and at night the wind was strongest
            1. vitaliy.rnd
              vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 14: 17
              -3
              I only went to bed at 3. It’s not necessary to be clever. In your heads you have the wind, trepachki, damn it.
              1. Fregate
                Fregate 19 March 2016 14: 25
                +1
                Quote: vitaliy.rnd
                I only went to bed at 3.

                In a drunken stupor?
                Quote: vitaliy.rnd
                It’s not necessary to be clever. In your heads you have the wind, trepachki, damn it.

                Everyone claims that the wind was. Read comments on local news portals. Everyone writes about the wind, some from the Ministry of Emergency Situations sms came about a storm warning. Everyone had a wind except you. The dispatcher reported aboard 14-18 m / s. Did he lie too?
                1. vitaliy.rnd
                  vitaliy.rnd 20 March 2016 00: 38
                  -3
                  Gentlemen, you are stupid people. I don’t need to read. I live here.
                  And you read and believe once your head is gone.
                  It simply surprises the dullness of believers in the media. Herd.
                2. vitaliy.rnd
                  vitaliy.rnd 20 March 2016 00: 49
                  -2
                  Everyone claims that the wind was. Read comments on local news portals. Everyone writes about the wind, some from the Ministry of Emergency Situations sms came about a storm warning. Everyone had a wind except you. The dispatcher reported aboard 14-18 m / s. Did he lie too?


                  And who is all this? Anyone who read something somewhere? But here in Rostov, one of the members of the commission of inquiry said that the weather made it possible to take off and land. So who should I believe? Your eyes and specialist or you chatterboxes living do not know where?
                  And yet ... If you received SMS that you won a million, this does not mean at all that you won it.
                  1. Fregate
                    Fregate 20 March 2016 13: 47
                    0
                    Quote: vitaliy.rnd
                    I live here.

                    Where do I live?
                    Quote: vitaliy.rnd
                    And who is all this? Anyone who read something somewhere?

                    People write in comments on news portal sites.
                    But here in Rostov, one of the members of the commission of inquiry said that the weather made it possible to take off and land. So who should I believe?

                    Believe him. Or do you think only the complete calm allows landing?
              2. Nikolay K
                Nikolay K 19 March 2016 23: 41
                -1
                Everyone had a wind, he didn’t. Does the window go east?
            2. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 19 March 2016 23: 40
              -1
              Yes, he got up from the hangover, slept all night with the window open, what kind of wind was there to him, quiet and whim.
              1. vitaliy.rnd
                vitaliy.rnd 20 March 2016 00: 51
                -1
                Yes, he got up from the hangover, slept all night with the window open, what kind of wind was there to him, quiet and whim.


                It is unfortunate that I have no opportunity to give you a tambourine for your words.
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          2. Fregate
            Fregate 19 March 2016 10: 29
            +1
            Quote: vitaliy.rnd
            No need to lie. Look better at the window and try to see gusts of wind.

            Man does not lie. All night there was a wind with strong gusts.
            1. vitaliy.rnd
              vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 11: 26
              -2
              I live in Rostov. 2 km from the airport. So do not be terrified to catch up.
      6. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 March 2016 08: 47
        +3
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

        The wind is strong, the weather is rubbish! I am from Rostov.
        1. vitaliy.rnd
          vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 11: 30
          -1
          Yes the weather is rubbish. At 10 o'clock it started a little wet snow. And where is the STRONG wind? For some reason, it is not in the center and around the airport.
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 14: 28
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          The wind is strong, the weather is rubbish! I am from Rostov.


          it’s clear that something is already burning, it seems that it’s not landing lights ...
      7. captain
        captain 19 March 2016 08: 53
        -18%
        The tragedy in Rostov is the direct fault of our government. At one time, the owners of Russian airlines, through their general directors, turned to the government with a proposal to recruit foreign pilots. They put forward versions about the lack of domestic pilots, their poor knowledge of the English language (this was not the case in the USSR), the absence of pilot training centers, and much more. Our government naturally agreed to meet the "breadwinners". Although many of our pilots warned that salaries and social packages in foreign companies are much more prestigious than in ours and this will lead to the fact that pilots will come to us by no means the best. Warnings are starting to come true, who will answer? I offer my condolences to all the relatives of the victims. And I propose to the Prosecutor General to assess the actions of our government. in terms of pilot training.
        1. lelyk72
          lelyk72 19 March 2016 09: 07
          +18
          The airline is foreign, the pilots are foreign ..... And here, WHAT are any actions of our government ?????
          1. 97110
            97110 19 March 2016 10: 43
            +6
            Quote: lelyk72
            And here WHAT - either the actions of our government ?????

            Well, what are you? Did the cat leave the kittens? This is not even a government - take it higher!
        2. avt
          avt 19 March 2016 09: 37
          +7
          Quote: captain
          The tragedy in Rostov is the direct fault of our government.

          What does the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT have to do with Dubai Emirate ???? Are you friends with a search engine, or only with Claudia?
          The company was established in 2008 by the Government of Dubai, becoming the first low-cost airline in the city.
          Before the mind boils in "righteous anger"
          Quote: captain
          At one time, the owners of Russian airlines through their general directors appealed to the government with a proposal to recruit foreign pilots.

          Can you tell me - when and which of the Russian businessmen bought
          Flu dubai
          ?? Then we will definitely know which government you are addressing
          Quote: captain
          . Warnings begin to come true, who will respond?

          and require an answer.
        3. KOMA
          KOMA 20 March 2016 02: 56
          0
          Your Dubai government is responsible!
      8. evgenii67
        evgenii67 19 March 2016 10: 11
        0
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind.

        and on the video the plane crashed almost at right angles
      9. ispaniard
        ispaniard 19 March 2016 10: 33
        +10
        Land in peace to all those who perished (many families flew in full ... sad ) Deep condolences to relatives, friends, relatives of the victims.
        The guys in the investigation have yet to study the causes of the disaster, BUT HOW MUCH WARNING? -Do not fly to Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, UAE, CA !!! Well, how much?!? Is vacation more important than life? .. The world is now generally restless abroad, what can I say ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST? WHAT TO SAY ABOUT RUSSIANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ???
        Do not fly to BV (WOULD NOW! In two three years you can, BUT NOT NOW!!!) If it’s itching so much, go to the Black Sea coast, even in Sochi if it’s expensive to Crimea, if it’s also expensive then to Abkhazia. But not to the Middle East, life is not the best holiday pay ...

        P.S. Once again, I condolences to all the relatives of the dead and those who are going to go on vacation abroad VERY RECOMMENDED think with your head and not with your pocket, stomach and eggs about where to go to relax.
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 19 March 2016 23: 46
          +1
          And then the Arabs, what kind of hysteria? Weather conditions in which the crew could not make the right decision. This could happen to anyone, sorry what happened to our citizens on board.
      10. kotvov
        kotvov 19 March 2016 19: 27
        +1
        Yes, something in the video is not a big wind. ,,
        no, the wind was. I would say hurricane, with gusts.
    3. PAM
      PAM 19 March 2016 06: 26
      +4
      with conclusions about the cause of the crash, you should wait for someone's services. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2016 06: 35
        +9
        Quote: PAM
        Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

        Peace be upon them. But xoxly already on feces come, rejoice. What non-humans have hatched there lately.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 06: 39
          +11
          Quote: novobranets
          Quote: PAM
          Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

          Peace be upon them. But xoxly already on feces come, rejoice. What non-humans have hatched there lately.

          You got am it’s not up to the Ukrainians - then you’ll fight them, for people like you every day they post articles here.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 19 March 2016 06: 45
            +6
            Okay, okay, don’t boil. I just got furious, read the news and stumble upon this ...
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 06: 48
              +4
              Quote: novobranets
              do not boil.

              Come on - let go)) drinks
              Sorry for the people, some situevina is still incomprehensible ..
              1. Bacha
                Bacha 19 March 2016 06: 53
                +9
                It’s just a tragedy for all people, even our fierce enemy of the United States and they condole. A svidomye as always dancing on the bones. Inhumans they are already. Nothing sacred left.
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 07: 05
                  +5
                  Quote: Bacha
                  A svidomye as always dancing on the bones.

                  We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 19 March 2016 07: 20
                    +5
                    Quote: afdjhbn67

                    We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

                    Kolya is healthy. Komenty Russians on the censor look like this winkBecause it makes no sense to go there
                    1. afdjhbn67
                      afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 07: 36
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      sense to go there

                      Hi Sasha! As you say - we won’t go or through the TOP)) Where did the atalef go?
                      1. Bacha
                        Bacha 19 March 2016 07: 41
                        0
                        So without a torus, the provider does not let me.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 19 March 2016 15: 44
                        0
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        Where did the atalef go?

                        I don’t know tomorrow naidu where he wears it.
                        Quote: afdjhbn67
                        let's not go or through the TOP

                        Here install and no TP is needed
                        https://browsec.com/
                  2. 79807420129
                    79807420129 19 March 2016 08: 09
                    +14
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    Quote: Bacha
                    A svidomye as always dancing on the bones.

                    We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

                    Nikolai, then we’ll defeat Khokhlov, these jackals will not go anywhere, but now from all users IN all the relatives and friends of the victims, accept our condolences, a terrible tragedy.
                  3. Denis Skiff
                    Denis Skiff 19 March 2016 11: 26
                    0
                    Take me with you.
                  4. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 14: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

                    A rematch? wink
                    1. Mobius
                      Mobius 19 March 2016 22: 41
                      0
                      Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                      Quote: afdjhbn67
                      We will assemble the VO team and in an hour we’ll go to smash the censor ...

                      A rematch? wink


                      The Military Review Team was defeated by Censor.

                      What, the team was assembled only crooked legionnaires?

                      "Quickfoot Abelardo"
                      1. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS 19 March 2016 23: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Möbius
                        The Military Review Team was defeated by Censor.

                        Although everyone tried 100 times, but We are not occupiers, We are Polite People! good drinks
                      2. Mobius
                        Mobius 19 March 2016 23: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                        We are not invaders, we are polite people!


                        In relation to "Censor.net", or even MORE, for the sake of a historical goal, the principles could be waived ...
              2. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 19 March 2016 07: 17
                +2
                Quote: Bacha
                A svidomye always dance on bones
                Interestingly, they do not have cognitive dissonance? After all, besides ours, foreign citizens also died (the crew is definitely the emirate). Although to these starfish - they are necrophiles, feeding on death.
                Quote: Bacha
                Inhumans they are already
                It is possible to cure such "non-brothers" only in a radical way; in a way that does not provide for the further vital activity of the organism. I am glad that such creatures are still a minority ...
                1. Bacha
                  Bacha 19 March 2016 07: 34
                  +5
                  I understand that their minority is real, but reading the forums, it seems that they are all sick. I have the opinion that the Internet in the country 404 is connected only upon presentation of a certificate from the yellow house.
                  1. WSW1WSW
                    WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 44
                    0
                    Most likely on forums of this content people are mostly sick.
  2. weksha50
    weksha50 19 March 2016 08: 29
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Strong wind, stormy.



    The article states: "The Investigative Committee reported an explosion on board the crashed liner" ...

    The plane followed from Dubai, from the so-called Arabia ...

    It looks like attempts to intimidate, terrorize Russia ...
    1. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 09: 14
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      The article states: "The Investigative Committee reported an explosion on board the crashed liner" ...


      It says there
      "After the plane touched the ground, there was an explosion."

      Noticeable difference?
  3. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 19 March 2016 08: 43
    -7
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

    I’m wondering why it’s impossible to install any kind of primitive military radar (in the nose fairing) on ​​civilian passenger aircraft, which could work in the terrain mapping mode. A strip with a length of 3 kilometers and a width of 50 meters, he even with 0 visibility could determine. And the problem is solved, the pilots would always know where the runway begins.
    1. WSW1WSW
      WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 41
      +4
      Dear Air Force Reserve Lt., Have you heard anything about primitive course / glide systems, radar in your nose?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 19 March 2016 13: 49
        -2
        Quote: WSW1WSW
        Dear Air Force Reserve Lt., Have you heard anything about primitive course / glide systems, radar in your nose?

        Your course-glide-path systems do not work ... Explain to me why situations constantly occur in which the plane, which has not reached the start of the 100-200 meter strip, hurts the tops of trees in a crash?
        What does the course-glide path system consider the forest to be the beginning of the runway?
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 20 March 2016 09: 01
          +1
          this is a question for aerodrome services and service staff ... as far as I remember, if the grass height in front of the emitter, for example, is higher than 10 -15 cm, then the glide path beacon will already lie ... But in addition to the course and glide path beacons there are also radar landing systems are at the airfields .., the dispatchers see there is a board on course, on the glide path, or not ...
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  5. vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 19 March 2016 09: 03
    -2
    We have no wind. It has not rained heavily since evening, and there has not been any gale, and now there is none.
  6. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 14
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.

    on the site, where the names are in comments comments of witnesses who saw an explosion in the air. It is possible that strong light is already a blazing plane. Although below I wrote that in the fog there is a strong exposure from the spotlight. What was, only time will tell!
    https://vk.com/wall-36039_1093512
  7. Blondy
    Blondy 19 March 2016 10: 59
    0
    I watched a video on TV, though very poor quality. It seems that something burning already fell from a height to the ground at an angle of about 45 degrees. It is more like the effects of tarract than the effects of bad weather.
  8. WSW1WSW
    WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 54
    +1
    ME VERY ALARMED THE BIG DOWN ANGLE. The picture looks more like a drop.
    Condolences close to the dead.
  9. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 March 2016 13: 03
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    It looks like they "missed" the lane.

    they crashed in the video, not missed
  10. In100gram
    In100gram 19 March 2016 15: 20
    0
    It’s good that there is no + - under the article. Thanks to the admins. Condolences to all the victims and their relatives. Only recently was there a topic about the increased accident rate of our airlines. But it is not thank God in foreign countries
  • fest 1973
    fest 1973 19 March 2016 06: 13
    +3
    Why didn’t they leave for the spare?
    1. Bacha
      Bacha 19 March 2016 06: 34
      +4
      Judging by the angle at which he entered the ground in the video, he stupidly fell.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 06: 57
        +1
        Judging by the angle at which he entered the earth in the video, he stupidly fell. [/ Quote]
        Not only that, the flame is visible before the explosion - in the video, a fiery point falls almost vertically .... something did not fit the video.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 March 2016 13: 08
      0
      Quote: fest 1973
      Why didn’t they leave for the spare?

      toad strangled overpay
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 19 March 2016 16: 47
        0
        Well, who put the minus?
        according to today's standards, the pilot himself determines the departure to the alternate aerodrome, and this is unnecessary attendants and companies are not willing to do this a hundred times, the topic has been raised until one of the relatives of the international air authorities crashes or changes
  • siberalt
    siberalt 19 March 2016 06: 14
    +3
    A video of the fall of this plane has already been posted on the Internet. Wow "landing"! belay
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 19 March 2016 06: 32
      +2
      Right On landing it seems a little.
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 07: 18
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Wow "landing"!

      There you can see - two cars drove, maybe something will also be on their registrars, they drove surprisingly - without adding and not slowing down, when there is such a woman in 500 meters ...
  • SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 19 March 2016 06: 17
    +4
    Condolences to loved ones.

    Again saving everything did not go to the spare.
    1. krops777
      krops777 19 March 2016 06: 31
      +8
      For two hours I tried to land, during this time you can fly to any other airfield.
      We will listen to what the experts will say, but people will not be returned.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2016 07: 14
        +2
        Quote: krops777
        For two hours I tried to land, during this time you can fly to any other airfield.

        The Flightradar24 portal reports that while Boeing circled over the airport, another plane flying from Moscow tried to land at Rostov-on-Don airport three times and then went to the alternate airport in Krasnodar.http: //ria.ru/incidents/20160319 /1392591218.html
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 07: 22
          +3
          Quote: novobranets
          I tried two hours

          It also seems to me that while objective infa - video, the rest is a flight of fancy - we will wait ..
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 19 March 2016 07: 37
            +3
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            we will wait ..
            So far, almost every next news does not fit with the previous one. It is worth the wait before. the findings of the commission until the brain boiled.
    2. andr327
      andr327 19 March 2016 06: 36
      +8
      And two hours spinning over Rostov. What is the savings. They generally probably wanted to fly here and there at one gas station. And the main reason for the human factor is greed.
      Condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
  • Roman 25
    Roman 25 19 March 2016 06: 22
    0
    Quote: SeAl2014
    Again saving everything did not go to the spare.

    And the crew themselves became a hostage to the company’s policy ... What can I say, land to them all in all !!!
  • tommy717
    tommy717 19 March 2016 06: 29
    +1
    And whose crew is Arab?
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 19 March 2016 08: 27
      0
      The plane belongs to the low-cost airline, created in Dubai. We know by surname.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 March 2016 06: 30
    +1
    All this is suspicious. If he flew for example from Siberia this is one thing. But from Dubai ...
  • Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 19 March 2016 06: 34
    +6
    He entered the earth at an angle of 60 degrees ... did he lie missed a strip. rather, some kind of failure. A terrible tragedy ((Earth rest in peace.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 March 2016 06: 38
    +5
    My condolences to family and friends ...... The information is contradictory. According to the first reports - the weather and an attempt to go to the 2nd circle. There is such a "decision point". Before it, the crew must decide whether to sit down or go around. Later, it is impossible to go to the circle, the trajectory and inertia will lead to the inevitable touch of the ground. In the comments I read that the board circled for two hours on the flyradar producing fuel. If there is a terrorist attack, then we will not immediately recognize the truth of the events. Half of the married couples are on the list. How can you imagine experiences in such conditions and hope right now, now a little more ........ I watched the video, this is not a landing, a fall, and, in my opinion, the board was on fire.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 19 March 2016 06: 55
      +2
      06:13 19.03.2016/230751156/XNUMX) XNUMX
      The passenger plane of Fly Dubai crashed in low visibility conditions. All passengers and crew on board were killed.

      06:51

      According to the portal Flightradar24, the liner tried to land three times.
      06:50




      At the scene of the disaster, all emergency services in the region are now working.
      06:41
      As a result of the crash of Boeing, residents of Rostov and the region died

      "I know that, according to the list that is presented ... that there are residents of Rostov-on-Don, residents of the region, and the rest is being specified. I think that within the next about an hour and a half, at most, we will have for more complete information. We are working on this now, "said Governor Vasily Golubev.
      06:30

      There are three foreigners in the passenger lists of the crashed plane; earlier it was reported that all Boeing passengers were Russians.
      06:24

      The age of the plane crashed at the airport of Rostov-on-Don, five years, reports the portal Flight Radar.

      The liner was released in December 2010 and received the serial number 40241. The portal designates the ship type as "type code B738, MODE S 8962B9".
      06:16

      The Russian Emergencies Ministry has opened a "hot line" in connection with the disaster, you can find out operational information by calling 8-800-775-17-17.
      06:14

      Fallen in Rostov-on-Don Boeing completely collapsed.
      06:03


      After Boeing touched the ground, an explosion occurred, told RIA Novosti in the Southern Investigation Department on transport SK. Earlier, the Ministry of Transport reported that the explosion thundered when the plane entered the second circle at the beginning of the strip.
      05:52
      In Rostov-on-Don Boeing crashed, no one survived

      The liner, following the flight 981 Dubai - Rostov, fell to the left of the runway of the Rostov-on-Don airport when landing in poor visibility at 3:40 Moscow time.

      There were 61 people on board: 55 passengers and 6 crew members. According to preliminary information, most of the passengers were Russian citizens.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/incidents/20160319/1392591218.html#ixzz43JkPuejX
      A lot of conflicting data. SK began a pre-investigation check.
    2. roman_pilot
      roman_pilot 19 March 2016 13: 43
      -1
      A plane with ANY height can go to the second round, from a low altitude there will be slight differences in the procedure.
  • Jatviag
    Jatviag 19 March 2016 06: 43
    +6
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Strong wind, stormy. It looks like they "missed" the lane. Terrible tragedy. Condolences to the relatives and friends of the victims.


    I watched the video of the fall ..... Somehow, it was falling ... almost vertically and was already burning in the air. Not like weather conditions.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2016 06: 50
      +3
      Quote: JATVIAG
      Not like weather conditions.

      If the plane actually crashed and burned already in the air .... Either it collided with something in the air or again a terrorist attack.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2016 07: 07
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Either he was faced with something in the air or again a terrorist attack.

        News comes constantly, but contradictory. We will wait for the preliminary conclusions of the commission, at least they will say something unambiguously.
      2. Mobius
        Mobius 19 March 2016 09: 23
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If the plane actually crashed and burned already in the air .... Either it collided with something in the air or again a terrorist attack.


        SK reported an explosion aboard a Boeing crashing in Rostov-on-Don
        Subject:
        The crash of a Boeing in Rostov-on-Don (93)
        05: 3019.03.2016 (updated: 07: 36 19.03.2016) 639806650
        The explosion occurred after the liner touched the ground, told RIA Novosti SK Russia. Earlier, the Ministry of Transport stated that the explosion occurred when the plane entered the second circle.

        MOSCOW, Mar 19 - RIA News. The explosion occurred after a Boeing in Rostov-on-Don touched the ground, told RIA Novosti in the Southern Investigation Department for Transport of the IC of Russia.
        According to preliminary investigation, flight 981 Dubai - Rostov crashed at 3:40 Moscow time. The Russian Ministry of Transport previously said that when the plane entered the second circle at the beginning of the strip, an explosion occurred.

        "After the plane touched the ground, an explosion occurred," the investigation department reported.


        http://ria.ru/incidents/20160319/1392589999.html
  • demo
    demo 19 March 2016 06: 48
    +5
    Lord What is it?!
    Sympathy for family and friends.

    What a wildness.
    For what?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 19 March 2016 06: 49
      +2
      Quote: demo
      What a wildness.
      For what?

      Rather, why?
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 19 March 2016 07: 12
        +3
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Rather, why?

        Well, if there is a terrorist attack, then why and why do they point unambiguously to the same region
  • dolamber333
    dolamber333 19 March 2016 07: 04
    +7
    Sorry. Condolences to family and friends. The plane did not land. He dived into the ground.
  • satris
    satris 19 March 2016 07: 08
    +7
    It is necessary to restore your aircraft industry, TU and ILs fought much less often.
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 March 2016 07: 45
      -2
      Quote: satris

      satris
      (1)

      Today, 07: 08




      It is necessary to restore your aircraft industry, TU and ILs fought much less often.

      And at the same time close the sky for foreign airline campaigns ... So? Read the article, whose plane, which crew and where the company comes from .... Nothing, what do you look like a vulture?
      Peace to the dead.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 March 2016 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: satris
      TU and IL fought much less often.

      Absolutely unfounded statement! Just count how many planes were built and how many crashed, then draw conclusions!
  • tuts
    tuts 19 March 2016 07: 11
    +3
    Condolences to family and friends. Everlasting memory.
  • tanit
    tanit 19 March 2016 07: 19
    +5
    Condolences to the families of the dead passengers. And the families of the crew.
    I anticipate that "the most authoritative opinions of experts" will begin now that this is beneficial for Russia and in general and for Putin personally, in particular:
    "1. The crew is not Russian.
    2. The airline is not Russian.
    3. The plane is new.
    4. the plane is a Boeing.
    Conclusion - the curious Kegebene regime had to prove that not only it had problems. "
    But in reality, a crew error. Fatal. Most likely the pilots owned their own special Arabic version of the English language. And they did not understand the teams with the KDP. That the change of dispatchers of the international airport does not own it - well, yes, yes. Why are other crews not falling?
    Again-
    Condolences to the families of the dead passengers. And the families of the crew.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 March 2016 07: 25
    +7
    I remembered the scanners from Chkalovsky and Mozdok. In Moscow, a man accidentally noticed a photographer.
    12 hours before the crash, the board flew from Kiev to Dubai. Then 20 minutes of refueling and to Rostov.
    1. saber
      saber 19 March 2016 11: 08
      0
      they’ll give you a plus, but they have me for the same questions ..
  • midashko
    midashko 19 March 2016 07: 30
    -1
    The company is run by effective managers, businessmen with only money in their heads. It is required to change the owners - to introduce a state monopoly on transport, and making security not a priority, but money.
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 March 2016 07: 40
      +8
      Quote: midashko

      midashko


      Today, 07: 30

      ↓ New


      The company is run by effective managers, businessmen with only money in their heads. It is required to change the owners - to introduce a state monopoly on transport, and making security not a priority, but money.

      The company is not from the Russian Federation, can you read? The crew is not from Russia, can you read? Whose "effective managers" are to blame? Even the board is new and not made in Russia?
      Or have you forgotten how to read? Forward to Dubai to fight against "managers" !!!!
      Peace to the dead.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 19 March 2016 07: 52
        +6
        Why read? Why think? The main thing is to quickly croak.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 19 March 2016 08: 37
          +11
          Quote: pv1005
          Why read? Why think? The main thing is to quickly croak.

          The main thing about the managers is to croak, and condolences to express this is not necessary.
      2. Bort radist
        Bort radist 19 March 2016 09: 45
        0
        Quote: tanit
        Or have you forgotten how to read? Forward to Dubai to fight against "managers" !!!!

        This company says the first incident.
  • grandson of the hero
    grandson of the hero 19 March 2016 07: 31
    +4
    Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased ...
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 19 March 2016 07: 35
    +4
    Peace be upon the dead and condolences to the relatives ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 March 2016 07: 37
    +2
    It is not clear from the message whether the explosion was the result of ter. act or consequence of a hard landing.
    Although for passengers this is no longer important ...
    It is a pity for the dead and their relatives.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 March 2016 07: 40
    +8
    Friends, let’s at least here minimize the endless and build versions of what happened. 100% of the media contradicting each other exaggerate the situation. But, they work out their bread, let them not become like.
    Relatives and friends of the deceased - Condolences.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 March 2016 07: 44
    +4
    Quote: satris
    It is necessary to restore your aircraft industry, TU and ILs fought much less often.


    They fought in much the same way - they spoke less often, and more often they were silent.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 March 2016 09: 19
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      They fought in much the same way - they spoke less often, and more often they were silent.

      My parents worked all their lives at the Civil Air Fleet — from the early 50s. So I was aware of how much was beating, and the news was quiet. Unless someone famous died, then you can’t hide it. hi
  • MARK
    MARK 19 March 2016 07: 46
    +1
    The US Embassy in Moscow has issued a safety notice for American citizens. It talks about possible terrorist attacks in Russia that are threatened by the Islamic State organization banned in the Russian Federation. Note that back in early March, the US State Department issued a similar warning.

    Source: http://www.1obl.ru/news/glavnye-mirovye-novosti/us-warns-us-citizens/ © First Regional

    Most likely a terrorist attack .... My condolences to the relatives of the dead ..
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 19 March 2016 07: 50
      +1
      Quote: MARK
      Most likely a terrorist attack ....

      I add to this a little conspiracy theology: for the day it was an 3 flight of an airplane, one of which was from ... Kiev ...
      http://lifenews.ru/news/191201

      I do not believe in the foresight of the heirs of the great protocivilization who guessed the flight route, but even so ....
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 19 March 2016 07: 48
    +3
    I offer my condolences to the family and friends ... To the dead - Eternal memory ...
  • WHITE CAT
    WHITE CAT 19 March 2016 08: 00
    +2
    Condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
    1. WSW1WSW
      WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 31
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  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 March 2016 08: 10
    +6
    The reasons will of course be established by the commission, and it is not for us to judge how it really was. Remember that they just did not write on our board in Egypt, but it turned out to be a terrorist attack. But there are some unpleasant things, my friend only retired at the age of 12, flew around the world, and by virtue of his work many other friends and acquaintances are also pilots, so they all unanimously say that young and middle-aged very poor flight training, compared with Soviet times, used to rely on autopilot. On the one hand, it makes work easier, on the other hand, professionalism is lost.
  • polite people
    polite people 19 March 2016 08: 13
    +2
    The kingdom of heaven is lost.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 19 March 2016 08: 34
    +3
    Condolences crying
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      WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 30
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  • Papapg
    Papapg 19 March 2016 08: 41
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    The plane - this is clearly visible in the video - fell almost 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.
    The reason is poor visibility and, probably, the inexperience of a foreign crew. Foreign companies, as has been noticed for a long time, save money on the remuneration of highly professional pilots and replacing them with low-professional pilots - “gas workers” from the so-called underdeveloped countries. Most likely it was so.

    Quite right, they just don’t talk about it, zhurnalyugi on a horse, there is something to suck, climb a mountain of people. The crew is raw, poorly trained, hence the result.
    This is how in aviation, you bought a ticket, you will be put to the pilot's monkey, and you are absolutely disenfranchised "bag" neither to be indignant, nor to check, just like that, terrorism can be attributed to, dropped out of the plane. And the crew may or may not be rested or inexperienced, or generally sick, like a suicide in Germany.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 March 2016 09: 25
      +2
      Quote: Papapg
      The crew is raw, poorly trained, hence the result.

      This is a serious airline that has not yet had a single disaster. Crews are staffed with highly qualified specialists (from different countries) on a competitive basis. No need to invent!
  • saber
    saber 19 March 2016 08: 42
    0
    And at which airport was the Merikanin received with the equipment? Now they show the data of the radars, the plane before landing made "hills" 5 km high. What is this for?
  • Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 19 March 2016 08: 44
    +1
    Sincere condolences to the relatives of those who were on that flight.
    I pray for our dead.

    In my opinion, this is a terrorist act.

    Why are my reasons:

    1). There were reasons to spoil Russia as a whole triumph. A couple of days, our AVIATORS from Syria triumphantly returned. The attack is just on the plane.

    2). Yesterday is the anniversary of the next return of Crimea.

    3). Today is the day of the Russian Submarine Fleet. Dates - one to one. The Islamists promised to arrange a "show-off" for the allegedly "defeated Russians in Syria."

    4). The plane belonged to an Islamic company, but there were almost non-Muslims on board, and everyone knew about it.

    5). In the UAE, there is virtually no degree of aircraft verification at airports. Almost the same as in Egypt, anyone could bring a bomb on board (most likely one of the Islamist workers).

    6). In the UAE (as in Saudi Arabia, and in Qatar, etc.) any form of Islam, including extreme radicalism, and Islamic movements banned in the Russian Federation, are welcomed.

    7). About the wind and bad weather - nonsense. Any more or less suitable crew can fly on instruments and the minimum weather indicators are precisely known.

    8). The plane dived almost vertically. What kind of band selection error are you talking about? What, do not know how to determine the flight horizon? so this is basic knowledge!

    9). The plane was scattered into many small fragments, equally live on Russia 24 EMERCOM stated that there were no bodies, only small fragments. In 2 hours it was possible to drain or develop fuel. Was he loaded with TNT?

    10). Apparently, an explosive device detonated in the air, possibly tied to detonation when the landing gear was launched or when landing when it came in contact with the ground, or maybe even just on a timer. Therefore, the plane actually dived, apparently already engulfed in flames.

    "I stand on that and I cannot do otherwise."

    Do not consider my post as propaganda against Islam; do not forget that our country is at war with radical Islamism from Europe to Tajikistan, and our planes have repeatedly become the targets of Islamic terrorists.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 34
      +1
      Quote: Warrior2015
      In my opinion, this is a terrorist act.

      All conclusions to a point, especially 8 and 9. Sadly, but the planes do not land like that.
    2. WSW1WSW
      WSW1WSW 19 March 2016 12: 28
      +1
      You have an unpleasant post. And there is iron logic - I believe. And utter nonsense, which reduces perception to rejection. You would have worked a little on your text and somehow arranged it more logically. Then it was possible to accept some arguments, with which to argue. AND THIS COMMENT WOULD BE MORE CONVINCING. Write "Do not consider my post as propaganda against Islam." I didn't see it. SIMPLY DESIRE TO SPEAK ON THE SOUND PRINCIPLE "On that I stand and I cannot do otherwise." THANKS yes
    3. Fregate
      Fregate 19 March 2016 13: 02
      0
      Quote: Warrior2015
      In my opinion, this is a terrorist act.

      I will not argue that this is not so, but I doubt it.
      Quote: Warrior2015
      7). About the wind and bad weather - nonsense. Any more or less suitable crew can fly on instruments

      When the Boeing crashed in Kazan, was the weather bad? And the crew, too, as it turned out, was more or less ready.
      Quote: Warrior2015
      8). The plane dived almost vertically. What kind of band selection error are you talking about? What, do not know how to determine the flight horizon? so this is basic knowledge!

      I fully admit that there was something similar to that in Kazan. Some say that he did not fly up to the strip, and some that he fell at the end of the strip. We will wait for more info.

      Quote: Warrior2015
      The plane was scattered into many small fragments, equally on the air in Russia 24 Ministry of Emergencies stated that there were no bodies, only small fragments. In 2 hours it was possible to drain or develop fuel. Was he loaded with TNT?

      Naturally, when dropped at such an angle, it was scattered. I do not know how much fuel this Boeing takes and how much it lasts. But I can make an assumption, perhaps fuel in the UAE is cheaper and he took it to the eyeballs so that it would be enough to get to Rostov and back. All the same it is a "low-fire".
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 March 2016 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: Warrior2015
      7). About the wind and bad weather - nonsense. Any more or less suitable crew can fly on instruments and the minimum weather indicators are precisely known.

      8). The plane dived almost vertically. What kind of band selection error are you talking about? What, do not know how to determine the flight horizon? so this is basic knowledge!

      9). The plane was scattered into many small fragments, equally live on Russia 24 EMERCOM stated that there were no bodies, only small fragments. In 2 hours it was possible to drain or develop fuel. Was he loaded with TNT?

      It would be possible to laugh at your "profound" reasoning, if not for the tragedy. Have you flown? It looks like only from the couch!
  • PValery53
    PValery53 19 March 2016 08: 47
    +1
    Sorry for the untimely departed people, mostly Russians. I'm so sorry. And what weather conditions could make the plane go almost at its peak?
    1. tanit
      tanit 19 March 2016 08: 53
      0
      Standard. When nothing can be explained - "a sudden lateral rush". But, even if you accept it, but ... circling for 2 hours ... And the crew had enough height, even if they were somehow trained.
      Peace to the dead.
  • Generalissimo
    Generalissimo 19 March 2016 09: 04
    -3
    How could this be influenced by the "sanctions" ban for the Arab campaign to land in Crimea?
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  • Pencil
    Pencil 19 March 2016 09: 14
    +2
    The video shows that the liner falls at an angle of 45 degrees.
    It is hard to say that it was already a flight. Sincere condolences to the relatives of passengers and crew ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEQ_s0aN3A4
  • Diviz
    Diviz 19 March 2016 09: 19
    -9
    This foreign technique must be scrapped. There is money for t50, but no money for ms21. Everything is in the project. And the economy is built on the burning of fuels and safety last. You have to pay for everything.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 March 2016 09: 35
      +4
      So it's DUBAI! What does foreign technology have to do with it? This is a Dubai low-coster! He flies what he wants. A foreign company just flying in the Russian Federation. Or so ban all Lufthansa there, Air France? They also fly to Russia on a foreign scrap.

      Moreover, the broiler was new - 737-800. They are only fresh to eat. The airplane is probably less than 10 years old.
      1. avt
        avt 19 March 2016 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Moreover, the broiler was new - 737-800. They are only fresh to eat. The airplane is probably less than 10 years old.

        The first one bought in 2009, respectively 7 years old, they bought 50 cars in 2008.
      2. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2016 11: 52
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        . The plane is probably less than 10 years old.

        The plane is 5 years old, it was considered in excellent technical condition. The airline is considered reliable. This is their first such case. The Emirates is not a poor country, and they do not save on training pilots and on technology.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 March 2016 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: Tatiana
    Aircraft - this is clearly visible on the video - fell almost under 60 degrees (55 approximately) to the surface of the earth. Just CRASHED into the ground! The wind certainly has nothing to do with it.

    to the question of degrees:
    Dear expert, you probably already know in advance, if you say, the answers to the questions:
    what is the focal length of the lens of the disaster camcorder
    Camcorder Suspension Height
    Distance to the place of fall
    The height of the aircraft entry point into the frame
    Distance to frame entry point
    Camera angle
    Gamma characteristic of the video camera matrix

    I had to work with special equipment and I know well that without answers at least to these questions, not a single EXPERT will draw conclusions.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 19 March 2016 09: 37
      +3
      Quote: avg-mgn
      a question about degrees:

      This is a very interesting question.
      Quote: avg-mgn
      what is the focal length of the lens of the disaster camcorder
      Camcorder Suspension Height
      Distance to the place of fall
      The height of the aircraft entry point into the frame
      Distance to frame entry point
      Camera angle
      The gamma of the matrix of the matrix of the video camera (this is the question of exposure to the trajectory of the aircraft)

      All these are abstruse words, but what you listed has nothing to do with the 2 image! because From the course of descriptive geometry (first or second year of the institute), everything that we see in the projection remains the same. And therefore do not be wise. For overdoing it!
  • cte-power
    cte-power 19 March 2016 09: 29
    -2
    THE PLANE THIS DAY WAS IN KIEV
    1. Generalissimo
      Generalissimo 19 March 2016 10: 41
      0
      If so, what kind of pravoseki, as with that "Dutch" dispatcher, are they minus here?
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 March 2016 09: 52
    0
    Quote: Oleg147741
    All these are abstruse words, but what you listed has nothing to do with the 2 image! because From the course of descriptive geometry (first or second year of the institute), everything that we see in the projection remains the same. And therefore do not be wise. For overdoing it!


    Sorry, bring you back to questionam, including camera angle. Please post here your conclusion in the projection.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 March 2016 10: 12
    +2
    People, stop getting smart, all the same people died. I’ll tell you what the eyewitness himself was, an accident occurred, the traffic cops were called in, the witnesses were questioned, three were interviewed and everyone had three different versions, my eyes went up, that’s how it happens.
  • ksv36
    ksv36 19 March 2016 10: 37
    -2
    This Putin again. We are waiting for cries .....
  • Belarus
    Belarus 19 March 2016 10: 46
    +2
    Condolences to relatives and friends and the Angel of Consolation to them. Hold on.

    Now on the Ukrainian sites there will be malicious comments with joyful screams. But it’s okay, we should be higher than such nonhumans.
  • MARK
    MARK 19 March 2016 10: 47
    -3
    They are trying to return Russia to Syria .... hi
  • infantry76
    infantry76 19 March 2016 10: 49
    +4
    IN THE DAYS OF GREAT POST I Bring YOUR DEEP CONDOLENCES TO THE KIND AND NEAR DEAD!
    LIGHT THEM MEMORY AND ETERNAL PEACE!
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 March 2016 10: 49
    +2
    The kingdom of heaven to the lost. I am sorry.
  • Cook
    Cook 19 March 2016 11: 04
    +5
    Condolences to all the relatives and friends of the victims.
    I would not like to make assumptions about the causes of the disaster before I read the materials for deciphering the means of objective control, but the probability of a terrorist act, in my opinion, is lower than say a technical malfunction or a crew error. It would simply be illogical to assume that the explosion was to occur on the return flight from Rostov to Dubai, or when it was on the ground. Predicting that the aircraft before the explosion will be in the waiting area for two hours is almost impossible. To tie the moment of the explosion to the landing gear release, this means integrating the bomb into aircraft systems, it's all pretty complicated. By the way, the procedures for ensuring aviation security at the Dubai airport are quite strict, I have been there as a crew member several times, so I can attest to this. Poor weather conditions can certainly adversely affect a favorable flight outcome, but they cannot be the cause of the disaster, since they are either authorized for landing or not. And if the crew embarked on a landing approach in unacceptable weather conditions, then he violated the rules. Also, with a sharp deterioration in weather conditions during the approach, the crew is obliged to complete withdrawal to the second round. In my opinion, the crew’s error is most likely to occur when moving to the second circle under conditions of wind shear, which led to the aircraft stalling and collision with the ground, in conditions of a lack of altitude and time to correct the situation.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 March 2016 11: 08
    +2
    "After the plane touched the ground, an explosion occurred," the investigation department reported.
    I don’t know, maybe I didn’t make out, the TV was far away. but the plane did not touch, it fell at a great angle. the camera on some building in the night caught some lights and judging by them the plane fell. Although maybe the strip flush with the camera was. maybe he really hit the tail as they say. But then the decline was very fast was the trial of the video, if the camera does not jerk off.

    How did it happen? He could have gone to another lane, for example, in Yeisk, at a military airfield, is there a normal lane length and the wind was right at the heading? Maybe he could have gone to neighboring areas? What is it? He circled for two hours and during this time he could leave or the bosses would not pat the fuel for the head? Why not go to another lane? Before morning, we had horizontal rain with the wind after a severe storm. The trees of the branch once lost such a storm. Roofs demolished. How so? The Ministry of Emergencies warned me in a few hours about the storm! I didn’t go to the island on a boat, I would drown nafig. Why didn’t the pilots be warned that in the steppe with such a storm and strong gusts on the strip, do not try to get into the lane? Whose pilots were they? People have perished. How did it happen...
    1. tolmachiev51
      tolmachiev51 19 March 2016 14: 48
      +1
      But how five minutes before the crash did the Aeroflot plane land ??? !!! Sort it out.
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  • Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 19 March 2016 11: 16
    +3
    Enough to attribute to each news a terrorist attack. I do not think that the UAE could not take care of security, this is not Egypt.
    Probably the plane landed, there was a gust of wind and loss of speed, hence this angle.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 19 March 2016 11: 30
    +1
    Sincere condolences.
    The investigative committee reported an explosion on board the crashed ship. The terrorist attack?