Began testing hypersonic cruise missiles "Zircon" from the ground launch complex

RIA News with reference to a high-ranking representative of the military industrial complex, reports that the first tests of the hypersonic cruise missile "Zircon" have begun. The agency interlocutor stated that the speed of sound will exceed the speed of sound (5-6 Max) by the calculations in 5-6 times.

Interlocutor RIA News:

Hypersonic rockets "Zircon" is already in the metal, and their tests began from the ground launch complex.

According to a representative of the Russian military-industrial complex, the future of the Zirkon missiles is primarily associated with the installation of the fifth generation of the Huskies, which are being developed by the Malakhit design bureau.

In February of this year, representatives of the military industrial complex reported on the successful conduct of the so-called design phase of testing the latest Russian hypersonic cruise missiles.

In parallel with the testing of hypersonic cruise missiles, the concept of effective combat use of hypersonic armaments in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is being developed. Experts say that there is a coordination of questions regarding the forms in which (apart from being based on new-generation nuclear submarines) the use of a “winged hypersound” will be carried out in order to obtain the highest combat effectiveness.

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[Samaritan]

But this is serious news!
For cruisers: MOSCOW, February 19. / TASS /. The heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Peter the Great will receive Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missiles during the upgrade, scheduled for 2019-2022, a source in the shipbuilding industry told TASS on Friday.
"Peter the Great" will get up for renovations in the third quarter or the end of 2019. It is planned that the repairs and modernization will be completed at the end of 2022, "the source said.

More on TASS:
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2681300
Accordingly, Nakhimov and possibly Lazarev and all destroyers!
May God grant that the tests pass successfully, from such a splinter the Amerian farts will hurt oh how long

[bulvas]

Quote: Samaritan

But this is serious news!

We are pulling the United States into an arms race, the generals will make a fuss, they will demand more money.

They will have to do something with their ships

[Andrey Yuryevich]

sailors are waiting!

[Inok10]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

sailors are waiting!

... Yuryevich I welcome ... ... judging by the fragmentary data, it will be the Zircon complex ... for all types of carriers ... submarines, surface ships and aviation ... the Zircon theme appears to be a continuation of the Meteorite, which was closed in 1992, in export performance will be "Bramos II" (no more than 300 km.) ... the range of "Metiorit-A" (aviation) was 5000 km. at 3M speed ... target designation, judging by the entire SNS "Liana", which, in replacement of the deceased "Lyra" ... however, intrigue ... on "Nakhimov" already:

Sevmash signed an agreement with Almaz-Antey for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers ZS-14-11442M for the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov. The installations will be further developed for the use of the following missile systems: 3K-14 (Caliber), 9K, 3M55 (Onyx), 3K-22 (Zircon). Source: http://maxpark.com/community/5234/content/4897457

... recently slipped info about the conversion of the IL-76 into a flying hypersonic laboratory ...

[ssergn]

Quote: Inok10

which, in replacement of the deceased "Lear"

Maybe after all:

ICRC "Legend" (GRAU index - 17К114).

[Inok10]

Quote: ssergn

Maybe after all:

... thank you ... but it’s too late ... I’ve gotten hold of myself ...

[ssergn]

Quote: Inok10

.. thank ..

Not at all

[FenH]

Quote: ssergn

Quote: Inok10

.. thank ..

Not at all

How is it not what




The main thing is that

[Iline]

Hypersonic missiles are far from a novelty in our aircraft. So this test is only a test of a specific type of weapon.

The concept of effective combat use of hypersonic weapons in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is being developed

But this is more serious and closer to the body.
If anyone does not know, then the Tu-22M3 was armed with hypersonic aerobalistic missiles X-15. And they really flew at hypersonic speeds of the order of 5M. And then they were withdrawn from service. Why? Just after launch, they abruptly gained altitude of the order of 40 kilometers and dive from that height to the target. It turned out that almost in front of the nose of the plane. The pilots said that in such a situation it is easier to bomb than to launch these missiles.
I hope that with the development of the concept of combat use of Zircon we will not step on the previous rake.

[FenH]

Quote: Iline

Hypersonic missiles are far from a novelty in our aircraft. So this test is only a test of a specific type of weapon.

The concept of effective combat use of hypersonic weapons in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is being developed

But this is more serious and closer to the body.
If anyone does not know, then the Tu-22M3 was armed with hypersonic aerobalistic missiles X-15. And they really flew at hypersonic speeds of the order of 5M. And then they were withdrawn from service. Why? Just after launch, they abruptly gained altitude of the order of 40 kilometers and dive from that height to the target. It turned out that almost in front of the nose of the plane. The pilots said that in such a situation it is easier to bomb than to launch these missiles.
I hope that with the development of the concept of combat use of Zircon we will not step on the previous rake.

The ceiling of the Tu-22m3 is 14, and the speed, and the maximum speed of 000, doesn’t it fit?

[Iline]

Quote: FenH

The ceiling of the Tu-22m3 is 14, and the speed, and the maximum speed of 000, doesn’t it fit?

What actually does not fit? TTD of an aircraft with TTD of the X-15 missile itself? So a rocket after uncoupling from a carrier aircraft with its technical data flies along its own path and according to its technical data. And her flight path is more like a ballistic one. While it gains altitude, and then begins to dive from this altitude (even at a speed of 5M), the aircraft manages to fly a decent distance in a straight line.

[FenH]

Quote: Iline

Quote: FenH

The ceiling of the Tu-22m3 is 14, and the speed, and the maximum speed of 000, doesn’t it fit?

What actually does not fit? TTD of an aircraft with TTD of the X-15 missile itself? So a rocket after uncoupling from a carrier aircraft with its technical data flies along its own path and according to its technical data. And her flight path is more like a ballistic one. While it gains altitude, and then begins to dive from this altitude (even at a speed of 5M), the aircraft manages to fly a decent distance in a straight line.

and the rocket does not stand still, and its launch speed is higher than that of the aircraft

[Iline]

Quote: FenH

and the rocket does not stand still, and its launch speed is higher than that of the aircraft

Launch range: 50-280 km (50-150 - X-15C)
Well, how do you like the range? Are these critical long distances for an airplane?

[Alexey-74]

Eh ... they would still have informed, at least hinted how the tests passed .....

[Armored optimist]

We have, as always, an asymmetric answer. For every tricky aircraft carrier, there is a Zircon with a screw.

[yuriy55]

Quote: bulvas

We are pulling the United States into an arms race, the generals will make a fuss, they will demand more money.

Have to they do something with their ships

When grandfather looks at a half-naked girl, he also wants to do something with his "boat" (put in a cozy harbor ) ... Question: "Can it?"

[gergi]

Yes, they don’t have to do anything with their ships, zircons will do everything.

[gispanec]

Quote: Samaritan

Accordingly, Nakhimov and possibly Lazarev and all destroyers!

everything is fine except for the word - ALL destroyers !!! ... well, where do we have combat-ready EMs ?? here everything went to Syria ... and BOD and MRK and Kreiser, but why was EM not there ?? .. .output ?? - we do not have running EMs ... no more than a couple of thousand miles to go and then under the supervision of a tugboat .... this is about your EMs .. and so the news, if confirmed, is really good

[11 black]

Quote: gispanec

everything is fine except for the word - ALL destroyers !!! ... well, where do we have combat-ready EMs ?? here everything went to Syria ... and BOD and MRK and Kreiser, but why was EM not there ?? .. .output ?? - we do not have running EMs ... no more than a couple of thousand miles to go and then under the supervision of a tugboat .... this is about your EMs .. and so the news, if confirmed, is really good

Comrades - I sincerely do not understand why - WHY to place such a missile on a surface platform when there is a Tu-160 ?! This is such a splinter for AUG ... well, judge for yourself.
Range of air defense AUG:
- air group no more than 800 KM
- SAM of ships no more than 350 KM
At the same time, the low-power seeker of air-to-air missiles can easily be overwhelmed by the electronic warfare system (as well as the radars of the fighters themselves - after all, these will be far from the "Khibiny" and not even the "Himalayas" - even the Mi-8 was able to install the most powerful "Lever" system - that talk about the Tu-160!)
It can be argued that the BKO Tu-160M2 can easily repel even massive missile fire.
Not to mention that the supersonic missile carrier will be in the 800km zone for only a few minutes and intercepting it with an air group is a very non-trivial task - it will simply shoot back and have time to leave.
PS - who sees the disadvantages of this scheme? The most interesting thing is that the AUG can oppose the Tu-160 with Zircon on board.

[Starley from the south]

Quote: 11 black

PS - who sees the disadvantages of this scheme? The most interesting thing is that the AUG can oppose the Tu-160 with Zircon on board.

The only drawback, if you can call it that, is, or will be, in my opinion, in the Zircon targeting and capture system itself. It would be nice to make the Zircon the size of the Caliber, with a range of at least 1000 km. But the military knows better.

[FenH]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Samaritan

But this is serious news!

We are pulling the United States into an arms race, the generals will make a fuss, they will demand more money.

They will have to do something with their ships

We can’t get to one of the AUGs in order to calmly pull it. So we need to do something with the ships. And then we have 2 and a half cruisers for 10 AUGs. So the hats are in the direction of gentlemen

[sub307]

"God grant that the tests are successful ..." Most likely - they will be successful and will pass .... But, as they say - "God and God, but don't be bad yourself ..." But this, that - "In parallel with the tests hypersonic cruise missiles, a concept for the effective combat use of hypersonic weapons in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is being developed ... "this is normal. If only the "concept" is not "late" by the time the weapon appears and begins to be used. "Mattress makers", by the way, also "jumped" in this area: they are trying to force their developments in this area.

[sub307]

And at this point, to add to the "pepper": "STALIN. Your soul is not a scout, but the soul of a very naive person in the good sense of the word. A scout must be all saturated with poison, bile, should not trust anyone. If you were a scout, you you would see that these gentlemen in the West criticize each other: you have bad weapons here, you have bad things here, you would have seen how they expose each other, reveal each other's secrets, you should grab this side, make selections and to inform the command, but your soul is too honest. "http://maxpark.com/community/14/content/5119095
Not "saints", of course, but there is something here ...

[Dam]

That is, the IJIS are sent to the gap to the black to the economic breaker? And the American aircraft carriers will be container ships

[Vita vko]

concepts of effective combat use of hypersonic weapons

should be no less beautiful and effective. Probably we are talking about methods of hitting targets. For example, if the warhead of a rocket will consist of balls, as in the 5V21 SAM, then such a cloud can turn any aircraft carrier into a colander, because the kinetic energy of each ball will be comparable to the energy of a cannon shell.

[g1v2]

And about the fifth generation nuclear submarines “Husky", the development of which is engaged in the design bureau "Malachite" I was very interested in one? We have been arguing about zircon for a long time, but about the 5th generation Apple Husky infa is only at the rumor level that they say yes, they are designing something like that. But even rumors are already enough to make it interesting sharply.

[Starley from the south]

Quote: g1v2

And about the fifth generation nuclear submarines "Husky", the development of which is engaged in design bureau "Malachite"

Somewhere here on VO already passed information about the 5th generation submarine, but the name "Husky" did not sound. They even gave the characteristics that such submarines and the existing developments in this area should have ... In particular, it was said about the active protection system against detection by sonars, all that I remember.

[Alex777]

On Nakhimov and Atlantes.
Such missiles on destroyers - only if on Leaders.
And it would be wonderful at 949A. Maybe that's why they dragged on their modernization ...

[alexmach]

Accordingly, Nakhimov and possibly Lazarev and all destroyers!

What do destroyers have to do with it?

[grandson of the hero]

In response to a statement by a high-ranking representative of the military-industrial complex, the U.S. Navy command decided to urgently modernize the entire fleet by permanently deploying diapers and multilayer toilet paper (UPPi MTB) plants on ships and massively purchasing anti-slip devices.
No, we cannot defeat them. For all our Caliber and Zircons they will find their effective means.
PS Shares of the producers have skyrocketed and the dollar climbed again. With this news, we are strengthening the economy of the potential adversary.

[sever.56]

Good news !!! We are again ahead of the "friends" from the states !!!
And the speed in general is fantastic. ABM amerikosov with their "Idzhis" and other rest ...

[Dryulea]

Aegis is generally complete! To guarantee the defeat of our warhead, we need THREE anti-missiles! And there are just over three dozen of them in the states.

[RZH in the USSR]

Alas, we did not get ahead, but are catching up. But personally, I think that our missiles will be faster and more accurate.

"" "The US has successfully tested the X-51A Waverider hypersonic missile, the official website of the country's Air Force reported on May 3.

Tests in the Pacific were conducted on May 1. The missile was launched from the aircraft B-52 at an altitude of 15200 meters and then with the help of an accelerator rose to a height of 18200 meters. During the flight, which lasted for six minutes, the X-51A Waverider developed a speed of 5,1 Mach numbers (6100 km / h). Flying a distance of 426 kilometers, the rocket was destroyed.

As noted, the past flight was the longest among all conducted earlier, and the longest in the history of hypersonic missiles. The US Air Force considered that the tests ended in "complete success."
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The passed test was the fourth in the history of the X-51A Waverider. Of the previous three, only the first, carried out in 2010, was “95 percent successful”: then the rocket maintained its speed at Mach 5 for three minutes, but its instability was revealed during the flight.

Subsequent tests in 2011 and 2012 ended in failure. In the first of them, there were problems with the operation of the rocket accelerator, and in the second, due to a technical malfunction, the hypersonic ramjet engine did not turn on, which led to a loss of control.

The tests that took place on May 1 were final, in accordance with the initial plans for the Waverider project. The US Air Force noted that in the near future there are no ready-made plans to launch similar projects, however, development in the field of hypersonic research, taking into account the success of the mission, will continue. !!!

Article May 5, 2013. "Military Review"

[weksha50]

Quote: RJ in the USSR

Alas, we did not get ahead, but are catching up. But personally, I think that our missiles will be faster and more accurate.

Duc ... How to say ...

In the 80s, ours worked well on this topic, it’s a pity the country fell apart ...

You look, taking into account past developments and taking into account the current Amer’s problems, shortcomings (and ours, I think, at least a little, but spy, track), we can get something better ...
Both cheaper and more reliable ...

[Tibidokh]

Quote: RJ in the USSR

5,1 Mach numbers (6100 km / h)

At altitudes from 15200 m to 18200 m, the Mach number is not equivalent to M at sea level.
From 15200 m to 18200 m, the Mach number is approximately the same (tropopause) and equal to approximately 297 m / s = 0,297 * 3600 = 1070 km / h. Thus, the Mach number at altitudes from 15200 m to 18200 m will be about 5450 km / h.

Quote: RJ in the USSR

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Oh, the ad! Che, some number M at sea level develops?

[Samaritan]

Quote: RJ in the USSR

Alas, we didn’t get ahead, but we catch up

comrade do not tell, what the Americans were experiencing ... in the last century the USSR dabbled :) to disperse and throw it off the plane ... it is simply ridiculous to be proud of it, but from the ship / mine it is already serious !!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: RJ in the USSR

Alas, we did not get ahead, but are catching up. But personally, I think that our missiles will be faster and more accurate.

Why: as a "captain" - with brains. As "marshal" - so with emotions !?
About "Catch up" ...
"At the beginning of 1997, the designers of the Dubninsk Design Bureau" Raduga "showed at the MAKS air show a system of a new class - the Hypersonic Experimental Aircraft (GELA) X-90. In the West, it is called the AS-19 Koala. This hypersonic cruise missile was created to replace the strategic cruise missile X -55. The range of its flight is 3000 km. The missile can carry two warheads with individual guidance, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 100 km from the point of separation. The carrier of the X-90 could be an extended version of the strategic bomber Tu-160M. However, according to official data, work over the rocket was suspended in 1992.
According to other sources, Koala could, after launch, rise to a height of 30-90 km (to the atmospheric boundaries) and attack the target on ranges from 3500 to 5000 km at a speed of 4-6 Machs, remaining inaccessible for interception by any means. There is information about the resumption of work on this rocket ... "
So, the X-90 rocket, even in Soviet times, flew further and longer than its current American counterparts. At the same time, the plasma cloud that arose around the apparatus when moving at hypersonic speeds allowed it not only to move in the atmosphere at a speed of several kilometers per second, but to move with “broken” trajectories, sharply changing the direction of flight. In addition, the plasma cloud created the invisibility effect of the device for radars.
Recently, Boris Obnosov, General Director of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) Corporation, confirmed to the VPK.name publication that the development was being carried out on a project known as "object 4202".
In July 2015, the American edition of The Washington Free Beacon (WFB), citing a report by analysts at the British edition of Jane's Intelligence Review, reported that the Russian Federation launched Yu-71 apparatus in near-earth orbit, where it was delivered by the UR-100 N ICBM (SS-19 Stiletto). Its launch was made from the positional area of ​​the Dombarovsky Strategic Missile Forces compound in the Orenburg region.
About "it will be better" ...
According to Western analysts, the Russian U-71 apparatus was developed at the end of the 2000-s and was tested four times. The first test launch took place in December 2011, the second in September of the 2013, the third in the 2014, the fourth in the 2015. Experts name these dates on the basis of a number of documents relating to the construction of new military facilities.
It is assumed that the Ju-71 will be used as combat equipment for the new Sarmat ICBM. It is also possible that one of the variants of the hypersonic apparatus can be adapted for the promising strategic bomber PAK DA.

[Nikolay K]

Good news !!! We are again ahead of the "friends" from the states !!!

Races began again with tributaries and giving away "plus signs"! What exactly were you ahead of? Americans have also been working with hypersound for a long time. There is no reliable information about the quality of the developments neither about our program, nor about amerovskoy. So far, we rather have to make up for lost time in the 90s, therefore, God forbid. As the saying goes, don't say hop until you jump. As we launch zircon into industrial production, we will rejoice from the bottom of our hearts.

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Nikolai K

Americans have also been hypersonic for quite some time. There is no reliable information about the quality of the development either about our program or about Amer. While we rather have to catch up in the 90 years,

For some reason, we are missing out (or maybe not missing out, but they haven’t written anything about this for a long time) that the Americans are also working on hypersonic shells - ordinary blanks made of refractory material, which should fly at a distance of 300 - 500 km at a speed 1 - 2 km / s The problem is the cannon ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: sever.56

Good news !!! We are again ahead of the "friends" from the states !!!

The news is really good.
Project 4022 - Russia's top-secret program
"... The newest hypersonic missiles of the Russian Federation, created as part of a secret project, are among the best and are capable of carrying nuclear weapons. According to Jane's Intelligence, Moscow has been working on the Yu-71 (Yu-71) hypersonic aircraft over the past several years. Russia conducted its last test of its hypersonic missile on February 26.

Pavel Podvig, co-author of the Jane's Intelligence report, says the test launch was carried out by an SS-19 rocket in near space. The rocket was launched from the Dombarovsky test site. The hypersonic aircraft is part of the secret program of Project 4022. Over the past five years, Russia has stepped up efforts to develop its hypersonic missile program to overcome the US missile defense. "..

[PKK]

I don’t have time to take my breath away from the new products, but how hard for our popodopolis and Jankers. Their military-industrial complex is probably blushing. Our new products are now coming almost every hour.

[Nick]

Quote: PKK

I don’t have time to take my breath away from the new products, but how hard it is for our popodopolis and Jankers. The new products are now coming almost every hour.

Bismarck also noted that in Russia they harness, although slowly, but drive very fast. Good luck to all of us.

[VP]

Well, yes, slowly harnessed, three years ago Zircon was supposed to fly

[Flinky]

Mattress carriers cried and asked to retire.

[kamski]

We with the BULVA can’t bring to mind now about HYPERSONIC for whom all this news

[gjv]

Quote: kamski

We can’t bring to mind

What stage of development, production, testing are you involved in? How to stimulate / punish you for what you can’t bring to mind?

[cap]

Quote: gjv

Quote: kamski

We can’t bring to mind

What stage of development, production, testing are you involved in? How to stimulate / punish you for what you can’t bring to mind?

Tovarisch at the stage was lost. And he heard about the Mace but did not see it, they asked in vain.

[weksha50]

Quote: kamski

We can’t bring to mind

Um ... And how then to understand the planned salvo Mace launch with nuclear submarines ???

If it had been unfinished, then who would have planned this launch, and even in one gulp ???

Just play around, ruin the boat and crew ???

PS And about Zircon ... The main thing is that people over the problem of creating this weapon, and that it began to pass tests on a ground stand, says that the moves have a positive result ...

In the end, in the USSR they knew how to make high-quality weapons, and not all craftsmen fled to the West ...

[Sivan]

You are a couple of years behind life. Mace is fine.

[viktorR]

For some reason, all the polymerists, the Ukrainian flag, have been shamefully covering up with the Soviet flag lately. :))

[Nick]

Quote: kamski

We with the BULVA can’t bring to mind now about HYPERSONIC for whom all this news

Yes, you, my friend completely behind life. Your comment for three years is not relevant. Mace three years as adopted.

[dchegrinec]

Of course, Russia has no intentions to surprise the world, however, in order to continue to pursue a strong-willed foreign policy, these systems will fit in! And now they are very handy.

[semuel]

Well done, keep it up!

[vlad_m]

This is a state prototype. X-51 from a Boeing.

[Kamchatsky]

And the B-52 cannot be confused with anything, the chassis is clearly visible.

[Alex777]

Can you imagine the B-52 size?

[Alex777]

Whose wing is it? I do not recognize in makeup?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: semuil

Well done, keep it up!

Respected! Once again, the journalists set you up.
In the photo, the American X-51A on the right pylon B-52Н
Here is another perspective of the same apparatus.
http://www.dsnews.ua/future/top-pyat-noveyshih-vidov-oruzhiya
Now you understand the meaning of your "exclamation" !?

[shinobi]

From the ground complex! However, how nice and meaningful it sounds! And on the ground we have "Bastions", "Iskanders" and many other things about which we do not know. You wanted a "global preventive strike" partners? We have it! We know how to hit the sea, you've already seen it yourself. And then everything is missile defense and missile defense. Disarming strike, superiority. Scratch your turnips now.

[barclay]

The presence of such developments is necessary at least in order for some exceptional "smart people" to understand what a "regional power" is.

[Blondy]

Experts say that issues are being agreed on in what forms (in addition to basing on a new generation nuclear submarines) the use of “winged hypersound” will be carried out in order to obtain the highest combat effectiveness.

It would be something to cling to, and what it is not a problem. They were still clinging to the Tu 13M22 back in 3. It seems that the States with their carrier-based strategy will have a hard time, and how much money is swelled - Gerald Ford alone is worth it.

[aszzz888]

And yet "Zircon" exists! To spite all enemies, but to our joy!

[AlexTires]

Just think, the usual "gas station" news. We do not produce anything ...

[FID]

Interspecies missile system with a hypersonic missile / operational anti-ship missile. According to available information, the development of the complex is carried out by NPO Mashinostroeniya (source - Annual report, p. 15). The first statements about the development of the complex in the media refer to February 2011. There was also an officially unconfirmed assumption that the export version of the Zircon missile was the BrahMos-II anti-ship missile. Until 2012, there was also a hypothesis that the complex is the successor to the Bolid complex developed by the same NPO Mashinostroyenia.

Brahmos ... Hypersound ... Let the people calm down ...

[Tibidokh]

Quote: SSI

Brahmos

I remember back in 200 that they promised to do by 2013. Well, okay, the topic is complex, expensive and very responsible.
Hindus even have their own combustion chamber for altitudes of 30 km. offered.
This is what interests me. Bramos-2 want to do including ground. Those. Indians with their camera will not help much here. Then only in rupees ...

[Editor]

Quote: armored optimist

We have, as always, an asymmetric answer. For every tricky aircraft carrier, there is a Zircon with a screw.

Is there enough hypersonic missile for an aircraft carrier with its upgraded electronic warfare?

[edeligor]

Quote: Redactor

Is there enough hypersonic missile for an aircraft carrier with its upgraded electronic warfare?

The whole joke is that at such a speed the ammunition flies in the so-called plasma shell and at the same time, any EM effect on it tends to zero. Conclusion:
1. EW exposure is not possible
2. To beat unreal
3.to dodge - close to zero (depends on the distance of the launch)
And lastly, our probable enemy is still pale from the possibility of our sale to a third country of decommissioned "mosquitoes", and now a new surprise!

[Armored optimist]

Add and warhead is not really needed. If a ton flies on board at a speed of 5M, then do not patch such a hole.

[VP]

Quote: armored optimist

and warheads are not really needed. If a ton flies on board at a speed of 5M, then do not patch such a hole

And what will an aircraft carrier 100 thousand tons from a hole in the board?
Without warhead, this is an ordinary hole.

[Armored optimist]

From bow to stern. And inside the reactors, hot steam, fuel and bomb-rockets. About wires and so on. Klystrons are completely out of the question.

[VP]

According to this logic, enough of one armor-piercing battleship or what?
Do you understand what to damage and drown are two different things?
And what on aircraft carriers is everything repeatedly reserved?
Missiles equip warheads not at all because they cannot penetrate the side.

[FID]

Quote: edeligor

1. EW exposure is not possible
2. To beat unreal
3.to dodge - close to zero (depends on the distance of the launch)

And exactly to get, what is the probability?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: SSI

And exactly to get, what is the probability?

They will do it explicitly for stationary purposes (airfield, stationary radar). To shoot at moving targets - go broke. The exception is just the same sea targets. But for them, I think I need a warhead.
Here, following the example of Brahmos-1, the price will be sky-high (200 missiles = $ 4 billion, 1 missile is about $ 20 million). For the domestic version ("Zircon"), the cost will be slightly less than for the Indians, and, taking into account possible differences in performance characteristics, it may be more expensive.
Those. such a rocket will definitely not be fired at the "tanks". So at least I respect the opinion of the Broneoptimist, but here with you, Sergey Ivanovich, I agree - there will definitely be a warhead.

Quote: edeligor

knock down unreal

But is it possible that such a complex as the S-400F will not be able to bring down the GZLA, where does the speed of the targets hit almost 5 km / s?
The "partners" of our country are also raising their maritime air defense systems to a high level.
Here it will be necessary against the AUG conditional "regiment Tu-22M3" with "Zircon" - I'm talking about the number of launches, and not about airborne.
To all with respect!

[gispanec]

Quote: Tibidokh

Is such a complex as the S-400F

I’m embarrassed to ask ... and where do we have such a complex ?? .... on which ship ??

[Tibidokh]

Quote: gispanec

too shy to ask.

Your shyness is explicable.
Perhaps I incorrectly put it. I had in mind the future S-400F, based on the fact that its characteristics will be comparable to Triumph.

Quote: gispanec

and where do we have such a complex ?? .... on which ship ??

Do you work in the police, Dear Outlaw? Chet too many questions. I use the right not to answer the question (Article 51 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation).

[the polar]

Quote: SSI

Quote: edeligor

1. EW exposure is not possible
2. To beat unreal
3.to dodge - close to zero (depends on the distance of the launch)

And exactly to get, what is the probability?

"Hypersound" is being developed not for high-precision hitting "in the count", but primarily for guaranteed overcoming of enemy air and missile defense. On the approach to the target, the trajectory of the "hypersound" cannot be corrected, therefore, to ensure the destruction of such a complex target as the AUG, the "hypersound" is equipped with a warhead with a nuclear charge ensuring the destruction of a target within a radius of 1-1,5 km

[FID]

Quote: Polar

"hypersound" is equipped with a nuclear warhead

And why is the nuclear warhead hypersound ??? Yes, if you blow it (knock down) over the target, what, will the result be different ???

[alean245]

The whole joke is that at such a speed the ammunition flies in the so-called plasma shell and at the same time, any EM effect on it tends to zero.

This begs the question: how to guide such a rocket at hypersonic speed?

[voyaka uh]

"and how to aim such a missile at hypersonic speed?" ////


This is a matter of questions! Boeing fought over it
some years. Only in the last test
telemetry worked to the last - while
fuel did not burn out in the rocket and it did not crash into the ocean.

[Taygerus]

What a news! Here the farts of the exceptional ones are straining, here is a bolt in one place, God grant the tests will pass successfully and on combat duty, respect and respect for designers

[drilled]

The development is stunned. 5-6 sound speeds - from 1.7 to 2 km / s. Those. up to 7 km / h. That is, to Washington from Moscow - 200 hour. It’s hard to imagine such speeds.
Do you have any rockets? I read somewhere that 30 minutes flies to the States of Poplar. Interestingly, in terms of costs, what will be cheaper and more efficient, because Poplar has a shared warhead?

[Vadim237]

Back in the early 70s, we created the 5Ya27 anti-aircraft missile, which accelerated to Mach 15,5, and its further development is the 53T6 Gazel rocket - the only brake on the development of hypersonic missiles is the attachment of a scramjet engine to them.

[ssergn]

Quote: Burieway

Those. to 7 200 km / h. Ie to Washington from Moscow - 1 hour.

Is there enough fuel?

Quote: Burieway

I read somewhere that 30 mines fly to the States of Poplar.

On a ballistic trajectory.

[a.hamster55]

Here are just photos of equipment from another opera! And let NATO guess how we adapted it to test missiles.

[Pvi1206]

Americans will probably sweat from such news ...

[Wolka]

and the faster we put zircons into operation, the better ...

[Dimon19661]

Hypersonic speed is VERY, VERY seriously.

[doework]

Quote: edeligor

1. EW exposure is not possible
2. To beat unreal
3.to dodge - close to zero (depends on the distance of the launch)

.. this ammunition has many qualities that make it potentially "invulnerable".

but, IMHO, it's not so simple:
1. It will be very complex constructively and certainly will not be cheap ...
2. Modern detection systems will see it anyway. Zircon will be developed to a series of years in 4-7 years, during which time the "laser" cannons will be able to shoot it down.
3. so-called The "plasma bag" is not conducive to the good performance of locators, etc. sensors, as well as on-board communication and control systems, i.e. Zircon will work on stationary or slow moving targets.
4. Maintaining a speed of 5-6 Mach requires large energy costs, therefore, its radius will be relatively small, I think - about 1000km

[DenZ]

Modern detection systems will see him anyway

so-called "plasma bag" does not contribute to the good performance of locators

So will locators see it or not? I do not understand yet.

[alean245]

So will locators see it or not? I do not understand yet.

This is not the case. The plasma cloud around a hypersonic missile immensely complicates (or even eliminates altogether) the operation of the radio equipment of the rocket itself.

"laser" cannons will be able to shoot him down.

Shoot down with a laser a heavy blank flying at a speed of 5-6 max? Do you really believe that?

[abrakadabre]

Shoot down with a laser a heavy blank flying at a speed of 5-6 max?

So with non-acidic thermal protection.

[a.hamster55]

Even the ancient radars, for example 30 years ago, saw objects at a speed of 30000 km / h. I don’t know what it was over the Caspian, but not a glitch, I was not alone

[doework]

Quote: alean245

Shoot down with a laser a heavy blank flying at a speed of 5-6 max? Do you really believe that?

Absolutely! UAVs and mines - already urinating .., guidance systems, optics, etc. - will catch up in 5-10 years. With energy - in my opinion, the most difficult question, but even then, European Union engineers are already thinking about this topic.

[alean245]

And at what distance? 1-2 km? A hypersonic missile will slip this distance in 0.56 - 1.11 s. You want to say that a weighty all-metal blank, even equipped with an engine and some kind of guidance system, flying at a speed of 1,8 km / s, will be completely destroyed or deviated strongly from the original trajectory by the laser beam during this time?

[fzr1000]

1. How do you know how the laser behaves when it encounters a plasma cloud rushing towards it at a speed of 5-6 M?
2. Regarding range. How did you get the idea that Zircon will go hypersound all the way through its engines, and also that it will follow a flat path?

[lablizn]

... "laser" cannons will be able to shoot him down ...

Maybe. But for this it is necessary to discover new physical laws, because existing laws contradict this.
Having counted a few things, the United States quite successfully buried SDI.

[Mestny]

Quote: SIvan

You are a couple of years behind life. Mace is fine.

Probably the old training manual accidentally turned up by the arm - in a hurry, trying to please the employer.
Nothing happens ...

[VP]

Quote: doework

during this time "laser" cannons will gain the ability to shoot him down.

Shaw?
What other laser guns?
The Pentagon has already closed this cut-off topic, and for their happiness the F-35 is enough for them.

[Taoist]

Of course, there is little information ... But taking into account the fact that even Mosquitoes are practically not intercepted so far ...

[sinoptic]

Normally.
The US proclaimed "Rapid Global Strike", and we made the missiles.

They seem to be still studying the physical principles of hypersound and designing materials.

[Hypocrite]

And air-based zirconium can finally tear up the duplexes of all the mattress warmers. The release of 160x is just resuming (today, according to the local authorities, fm passed).

[Aristide]

The United States has tested an upgraded thermonuclear warhead, while Russia has tested a hypersonic cruise missile and launched an industrial series "Armata". Of course, nuclear weapons are power. But who will use it now? Only a madman! But missiles and tanks are "everyday" weapons that are needed here and now. Therefore, his best and most perfect examples are always needed. So Russia is on the right track.

[Old26]

Quote: Alexey-74

Eh ... they would still have informed, at least hinted how the tests passed .....

Earlier - not especially.

Quote: shinobi

From the ground complex! However, how nice and meaningful it sounds! And on the ground we have "Bastions", "Iskanders" and many other things about which we do not know. You wanted a "global preventive strike" partners? We have it! We know how to hit the sea, you've already seen it yourself. And then everything is missile defense and missile defense. Disarming strike, superiority. Scratch your turnips now.

They have a concept of BSU, which has not been finalized, by the way. We have "Zircon" - which is not suitable for BSU either. According to open data, it has a range of about 400 km

[Bayonet]

Photo for the article is clearly not the topic

[Vadim237]

In the photo - see equipment even in the 70s.

[a.hamster55]

Analog equipment for sealing cable communication lines.

[1536]

Each American and NATO facility must have its own missile. Our Russian rocket. And it is right.

[avebersek]

I don’t know about you, but "what is not day" is such a surprise to me. Direct pride in Our Country. There was a period when it was thought that they destroyed what they could, the brains left, etc. And, look: new items - weapons of different directions, like "pies" come off the "assembly line" and these are the ones that you can talk about in the media. How much more behind the bar? I am very glad and proud to have seen the revival of the Army and the Navy. And yes, for liberals - yes, I am ready to endure the current economic situation for one reason - I know the history of my Country "Who does not feed his army, he feeds someone else's with all the consequences, Europe has already" grabbed ", but for Europe this is only the beginning .. It's not a pity ...

[Alex von Dorn]

I am very glad that Zircon will be ... I’m glad for the mattresses, well, very .... Let them scratch their turnips.

[colonel manuch]

So far, there are three leaders in this topic: the United States, Russia and the PRC. And everyone is doing about the same in the creation of hypersonic missiles, so it remains to be hoped that our designers will be ahead of everyone, especially since we already have some experience of "operating" such missiles.

[Konstantin Yu]

Hyper, hyper .... to root off, like teleport or UFO .... Well, if hyper, then the most yyyyyyyyy hyper with many small hyperpoints .... Good luck to all of us

[Kudrevkn]

Hooray, comrades !!! And CRIMEA - OUR is already 2 years old! HAPPY HOLIDAY!
On the 110th anniversary of the submarine forces of Russia !!!

[xtur]

Interestingly, will the version of hypersonic anti-ship missiles for air carriers be more massive than the current cruise missiles on the Tu-160 with a range of 1000 - 1500 km? the range needed is such that it does not enter the coverage area of ​​carrier-based aviation

[Old warrior]

Explain to the average man: what do they eat it with?

[Evil 55]

NOT "ZIRCON", BUT "SIR-COM" ... AI-YAI-YAI, YOU IN THE HOP, NEVER ..

[VladimS]

Quote: armored optimist

there is a zircon with a screw.

Rather, a screw with zirconium ... !!!! So sworn friends do not get sick.

[cedar]

"... Overcoming the crisis in the art of war is possible only with the systematic implementation of the Defense Plan of the Russian Federation, the requirements of the National Security Strategy and the Military Doctrine. I want to believe, will avoid a repeat of the sad consequences of 1941.
Author Alexander Korabelnikov "

The author still lives in the USSR. He wants to avoid repeating the sad events of 1941 ..?
And I really want to avoid repeating the events of 1991!
With all the troubles and tragedies of 1941, we must state a clear understanding of the event that happened then, both among the country's political leadership and the Soviet people. It was unambiguous: - "War! German fascism attacked us. Victory will be ours!"
As a result, a colossal mobilization of everything and everyone for resistance, to repulse the enemy!
And what brought us in 1991. The collapse ... Entry into Western civilization ... The triumph of democracy and liberalism ...
Behind all this verbal diarrhea was the defeat of the USSR in the "cold" WAR! With all its attributes: the loss of territories seized by the enemy, the destruction of national economic systems, industry, the destruction of hundreds of thousands of factories, factories, collective and state farms, etc. And the death of millions of people! All these blatant facts swept past the mass consciousness of people. Only a secretly inserted tab remained in the brain: "The Soviet Union collapsed, collapsed itself, took it and collapsed like that ..."
If in 1991 we did not see the ENEMY in the enemy, did not recognize the threat as WAR, and the disasters and suffering that followed as OCCUPATION, then there was, and by and large, neither mobilization, nor resistance, nor raising the alarm of the Army and Navy. , no rebuff, which means there will be no Victory, but this is a defeat with its yoke, indemnities and other disasters ...
Russia is now rushing with incredible efforts from a lying position, but this means that a new terrible blow is inevitable. The enemy will not let go of it. In war, as in war.
And I ask you a question, dear. Where is the guarantee that this time we will see .., recognize ..., will not be deceived and will not oversleep from a hangover?
While the notorious "The Soviet Union collapsed" sounds, there are no guarantees!
This means that at all costs we must learn the harsh lesson of 1991 from the defeat in the "cold" war, forget the mantra of "the collapse of the USSR" imposed on us by Zapadnya for the sake of Russia's victory!
Mobilize and repel Zapadnoe worthy of our fathers and ancestors. The enemy must be clearly known in the face, especially since he put us on the same line with ISIS and the Ebola virus.
Otherwise, they will repeat to us the "collapse of the USSR" again, but this will already be the collapse and death of Russia, without which we are nothing. Woe to the vanquished.
Glory to the winners!