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War as a way to save Ukraine

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Many readers today are thinking about why Ukraine is moving further and further away from the Minsk agreements. Why, no longer hiding, both sides use heavy weapons. Why the soldiers, who do not want to die at all for something distant and incomprehensible like the EU or NATO, are going to die again.




For most, it is clear that the very idea of ​​the Minsk agreements was questionable. And they themselves are not concluded in order to somehow resolve the conflict. Agreement - a measure forced on both sides. Republic, as well as Kiev, could no longer advance. Both armies were weakened.

Remember the reproaches of the militia-why not take Mariupol? Why not continue the offensive? The answer is just in the Minsk agreements. Desire for war cannot always be fulfilled. Any desire must be supported by force.

So today we see a stalemate. Execute the Minsk Agreement for Poroshenko will mean a complete reformatting of the country.

What is a constitution change? It is nothing but a complete change of the system of government. So, to create on the site of the existing Ukraine a completely different state. The federal structure will, first of all, deprive the president and the government of a huge part of the powers. Kiev will no longer be able to dictate its conditions to the regions.

If you track the Ukrainian regional press, you can see a clear activation of the separatist sentiment. What was in the USSR before the collapse. Remember, Ukraine is the breadbasket, Uzbekistan is cotton, the Baltic States are Europe ... It was then that the Ural Republic, the Siberian Republic and others appeared completely delusional.

Ukraine today "breathes" about the same. Every region is trying to become the breadwinner of everyone else. And it is on this today that the right play. This position is occupied by many ministers and deputies. We are working, but ...

Why? Yes, simply because the EU is already openly talking about sabotaging reforms. They have already openly indicated to the president and the prime minister that the Russian occupation is delusional. And these conversations reinforce the failure of the next loan.

The rhetoric of Europeans, and of Americans, has clearly changed. Somehow the talks about peacekeepers, about the rearmament of the Ukrainian army, about new sanctions ended. Automatically extended old and all. Already loud voices about the lifting of sanctions for Russia. Too expensive pleasure, it turns out, to threaten Russia.

Today, no one is surprised that the EU leaders say exactly what Russia used to say. Today, no one is surprised when European politicians, businessmen and deputies come to the "sanctions" Crimea. Duty Ukrainian people are not interested in the media, and that's all.

All that is written above has long been known. And analysts "sucked" this topic from all sides. They were able to drive the Kiev authorities into a corner. More precisely, she herself with pleasure made this “corner” to herself. And then what? What can come up with in Kiev and Washington to maintain the power of the existing president? Diminish the mental abilities of these guys are not worth it. So far, they clearly perform the task. Ukraine's economy is ruined. The people, in the majority, are anti-Russian. Sovereignty is almost lost. Small strokes remained.

In the Ukrainian press slipped some interesting interviews. For now, as a sounding of public opinion. But I think that soon it will be heard as the official position of the Ukrainian authorities. In particular, Stanislav Rechinsky, adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, on his Facebook page directly wrote:

"Apparently, our way to the EU lies through the 100-percent protectorate. We have not formed our management elite, which means that others will form it."

"Alas, we need occupation. And not Georgian, but preferably German. Years on 50."

Is amazing? Unfortunately no. Rather, the natural result of the domestic and foreign policy of the leadership of Ukraine. Everything that Ukrainians were talking about on the Maidan turned out to be smoke. Ukrainian products in European markets? And they are needed by Europeans ... Accession to the EU? Well yes. Sometime later. If the EU still will exist. Strong economy? And who needs competitors? Visa-free regime? What for? Those who are rich will get a visa for money, and there are plenty of poor people in the EU today without Ukrainians.

So why? Why give the country to others?

I think the answer is that only this situation will allow the existing characters to retain power. Slaves need to be fed. And this should mean constant lending to Ukraine. It is clear that rich slaves are not. But do not die of hunger. But the supervisors live very well. Rich and free.

There is only one difficulty for Kiev. Europeans, Americans, and Russians do not want to occupy Ukraine. Do not want to feed the slaves. Yes, and slaves do not want to have. Not profitable this business - the slave. The world economy has long abandoned such a relationship. A free man is much more profitable. Only profit, and takes care of itself.

For Kiev, there is only one way to force yourself to occupy. And this path, albeit a savage one, is quite real. This path is an escalation of military conflict. Until the transfer of hostilities to other regions. In other words, full-scale civil war. With a lot of casualties and destruction. To the blood poured river. To the Internet was filled with horrific photos of victims of war.

And then, whether the leaders of European countries want or don’t want it, they will be forced to introduce peacekeeping forces into Ukraine. Naturally, the territories of the LDNR will be controlled, and therefore fed, at the expense of Russia. The rest of the territory - the EU countries. And the power, albeit with the loss of some of its functions, will continue to belong to today's “superiors”.

True, the balanced position of the LDNR leaders still does not allow to fully implement this plan. The army responds adequately to the provocations of the Ukrainian security forces and terbats. But do not go on aggravation. And the offensive is difficult to organize. Too long truce allowed to create a sufficiently thought-out defense. And the overcoming of such fortifications is associated with large losses.

So spring aggravation is not a surprise. Aggravation is quite predictable. And no desire to "world community" fighting will not stop.

Stopping the fighting, paradoxically, means the disappearance of the existing Ukraine and the emergence of another country. The war that is needed to survive. Strange, but it is.
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  1. smel
    smel 17 March 2016 05: 53
    +28
    It could be limited to the last paragraph.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 17 March 2016 07: 17
      +15
      Petruha and his comrades are fulfilling the State Department’s plan: the war until the last Ukrainian, while they themselves want the last Ukrainians.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 March 2016 08: 13
        +4
        War as a way to destroy Ukraine. Do those whose profession is defending Ukraine understand this? fool
        1. Mobius
          Mobius 17 March 2016 08: 52
          +12
          War as a way to save Ukraine

          Ukraine is preparing for war.

          Ukrainian Air Force will give the lucky plane


          An-26 "Lucky"
          Photos from Antonov’s Facebook page

          The modernized military transport aircraft An-26 "Lucky" will be handed over on Thursday, March 17, to the Ukrainian Air Force. This was reported on the page of the state enterprise "Antonov" on Facebook.


          "LUCKY"apparently had a reputation as a survivor, since then, when Ukroluftwaffe planes poured from the sky of Donbass in batches, several a day.

          Among those shot down was his "colleague", the An-26 reconnaissance aircraft, which fell in the Slavyansk region ...

          And they shot down allegedly by a shot from the "Verba" MANPADS ... So the Ukrainian side says.

          But I believe that these are tricks of aliens ...
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 17 March 2016 09: 22
            +5
            "Möbius" And they shot down allegedly by a shot from the "Verba" MANPADS ... So the Ukrainian side says.

            But I believe that this is the antics of aliens .. "
            Yeah, definitely alien tricks! "Something" got into the engine at an altitude of 4500 meters. Aliens who else!
            1. Mobius
              Mobius 17 March 2016 09: 29
              +5
              Quote: Observer2014
              Aliens who else!


              They yes ,they yes ... "Green Men". They are EVERYWHERE...
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 17 March 2016 10: 59
              +9
              Quote: Observer2014
              Aliens who else!

              Nothing of the kind. He "exploded" by himself. From the air conditioner. True, true.
            3. kpd
              kpd 17 March 2016 12: 33
              +2
              Maybe a bird? lol
              1. SMikhalych
                SMikhalych 17 March 2016 14: 16
                +9
                Quote: kpd
                Maybe a bird?

                Yeah
                The dog of the fortune of tomorrow flew into the engine in the middle of the day.
                Take me, take me out of the battlefield and out of fire ...
            4. Bakht
              Bakht 17 March 2016 16: 25
              +1
              Something downgraded his height. According to official figures, they shot him down at an altitude of 6500 meters. Just as he dumped loads around. And at this very height the crew left him with parachutes. Whatever a word is fiction

              The transport aircraft was hit by an anti aircraft missile during flight at 6500 meters in eastern Ukraine region.

              The AN-26 came down in an open field near the town of Izvaryne close to the russian border.

              Both pilots were fatally injured while the other six were able to bail out before the crash. All of them jumped to safety all but one managed to escape local seperatist militia.

              http://www.jacdec.de/2014/07/14/2014-07-14-ukraine-air-force-antonov-an-26-shot-
              down-in-eastern-ukraine /
              1. Mobius
                Mobius 17 March 2016 21: 20
                +1
                Quote: Bakht
                Something downgraded his height. According to official figures, they shot him down at an altitude of 6500 meters. Just as he dumped loads around. And at this very height the crew left him with parachutes. Whatever a word is fiction


                What I confused reconnaissance aircraft An-30 shot down over Slavyansk with transport An-26 shot down later in the Luhansk region, my "joint". They are very much alike ...

                But the heights, in both cases, from which they were "removed" by the militia, are similar. And lie somewhere in the range from 5 to 6 thousand meters.
                06.06.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Information from the militia

                An AN-30 reconnaissance plane was shot down over Slavyansk, collapsed after a. Lighthouses Two pilots ejected in the area of ​​the Blue Lakes, the third - over the South, the fourth - is still unknown.
                At the end of April, it was already reported that the An-30 reconnaissance aircraft was fired at from Slavyansk with small arms. Now, it seems that the militia managed to get it finally.
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 18 March 2016 00: 59
                  0
                  There is complete confusion with these aircraft. Leaving the plane at an altitude of 5 or 6 km - you have to be a very cool pro. Moreover, the first reports were that he dumped the cargo surrounded. So most likely they shot him down much lower. Not special and could be wrong. But cargo dumping usually occurs at a much lower altitude. From 6 km you can drop anywhere, but not for the intended purpose.

                  On the link you can read the official messages. What is noteworthy, the press service of the President of Ukraine is no longer available

                  https://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Year=2014&lang=&page=2
                  https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140714-0
          2. gergi
            gergi 17 March 2016 09: 46
            +1
            Lucky - who is lucky. Logically, they should have called the flyer. And what does it sound like in voila?
            1. Mobius
              Mobius 17 March 2016 09: 54
              +1
              Quote: gergi
              Lucky - who is lucky. Logically, they should have called the flyer. And what does it sound like in voila?

              "Lucky", from "luck".

              As for the rest, Google Translate will help us ...

              Op-pa fellow LUCKY, in Ukrainian ... LUCKY yes
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 17 March 2016 10: 02
                +3
                Quote: Möbius
                Google translator "to help us ...

                Well, found where to look! fellow
                "happy" is correct.
                1. Mobius
                  Mobius 17 March 2016 10: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Well, found where to look!
                  "happy" is correct.


                  I also looked in the spelling dictionary. There is such a word in Ukromov as "lucky" yes

                  "Shchaslivchik" is one of the synonyms. So the disadvantage of Google, in this specific case only in that it does not produce possible synonyms.

                  But we want a lot, from a soulless program. Himself sometimes you need to think.
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza 17 March 2016 10: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: Möbius
                    I also looked in the spelling dictionary. There is such a word in Ukromov as "lucky"

                    Dear Moebius! This is your old dictionary. In the current realities, ALL words are remade, which at least somehow coincide with the Russian language. hi
                    1. Mobius
                      Mobius 17 March 2016 10: 27
                      +4
                      Quote: Egoza
                      Dear Moebius! This is your old dictionary. In the current realities, ALL words are remade, which at least somehow coincide with the Russian language.

                      DICTIONARY CORRECT, SOVIET (albeit online ...)

                      In writing my comments, I do not proceed from the nonsense of what is happening now in (on) Ukraine. hi
                  2. EvgNik
                    EvgNik 17 March 2016 12: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Möbius
                    "Shchaslivchik" is one of the synonyms.

                    And if you look deeply? How to sayвchick "or" right nowфchick "?
                  3. Baloo
                    Baloo 17 March 2016 13: 08
                    0
                    Lucky d \ y \ r \ a \ k \ am. The best name is "duremarchik".
        2. bandabas
          bandabas 17 March 2016 10: 02
          +3
          I think that most citizens of Little Russia understand everything perfectly. And the fact that the country's leadership plays in the clowning ... We also have clowns, but not in that proportion. Finish out.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 17 March 2016 09: 55
      +5
      The method of survival of Ukraine is begging. Yesterday, the logo was discussed with Schuster what law should be passed to take away assets from Yanukovych, and he just doesn’t want to give anything away. laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 March 2016 10: 10
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Yesterday, the logo was discussed with Schuster what law should be passed to take away assets from Yanukovych, and he just doesn’t want to give anything away. laughing

        He wants - does not want ... Who asks him! Why are there Schuster! BP didn’t end up because of the blocking of the tribune, according to this law! And the formidable Birch said that if they do not pass this law tomorrow. then the day after tomorrow he will spend the whole BP ..... they try to explain to him that first the court must confirm that the money was acquired dishonestly, and then immediately confiscate NO! money is urgently needed, that’s whom BP will point out, without any trial, and confiscate it!
    3. Mobius
      Mobius 17 March 2016 10: 00
      0
      Quote: smel
      It could be limited to the last paragraph.

      Stopping the fighting, paradoxically, means the disappearance of the existing Ukraine and the emergence of another country. The war that is needed to survive. Strange, but it is.


      Save with FULL TRANSFORMATION, so more correctly ...
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 17 March 2016 10: 13
      +2
      There was only one way to keep it square - begging, whatever they say. laughing
      1. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 17 March 2016 14: 21
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        There was only one way to keep it square - begging, whatever they say. laughing

    5. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 17 March 2016 14: 37
      +1
      It's just that all this will not "freeze" and will not resolve by itself. As they say, you need to either untie or cut the Gordian Knot ...
    6. VB
      VB 17 March 2016 15: 56
      0
      Concisely ... laughing
    7. Awaz
      Awaz 17 March 2016 21: 41
      0
      I thought the same thing when I read it))))
  2. PKK
    PKK 17 March 2016 06: 15
    +6
    Correct article: Dill is getting wild, because they don’t give them money, they don’t let them into the EU. I won’t be surprised if Ukrainians had a desire to take revenge on Europe and shoot in its direction.
    Can someone with a big-eyed prompt that in the background photo is thick green and long?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 March 2016 06: 21
      0
      Quote: PKK
      what's in the background photo is thick green and long?

      tank gun ...
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 17 March 2016 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: PKK
      Can someone with a big-eyed prompt that in the background photo is thick green and long?

      203mm self-propelled gun 2S7 "Pion"
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  3. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 17 March 2016 06: 17
    +7
    The time of cookies has irrevocably gone - harsh everyday life has come.

    «The International Monetary Fund along with the US government cannot provide additional financial assistance to Ukraine due to political instability in the country, ”said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland at a meeting of the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3646458-ssha-mvf-poka-ne-mozhet-kredyt
    ovat-ukraynu
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 17 March 2016 06: 35
      +3
      And in response, Nuland -
      “I do not believe that elections are possible not only in June 2016, I doubt that in June 2017 it will be possible to conduct elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions,” Magera said on Channel 5,
      (Deputy Chairman of the Central Election Commission Andrei Mager.)
      Those. then to us (in the sense of dill) sneeze at the Minsk agreements and "guarantees" of their implementation by the EU countries.
      Drive the grandmothers "guarantors of the EU" to hold "fair" elections in the Donbass, otherwise KUev cannot get to the polling stations for two years. laughing
    2. avt
      avt 17 March 2016 09: 26
      +5
      Quote: Voha_krim
      The time of cookies has irrevocably gone - harsh everyday life has come.

      request And who promised to feed the raguli, on the way to Europa "???? laughing
      1. Mobius
        Mobius 17 March 2016 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: avt
        And who promised to feed the raguli, on the way to Europa "????


        When they promised, they did not say that they would feed them for 25 years ...
  4. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 17 March 2016 06: 22
    +1
    So, spring exacerbation is not a surprise.
    As well as autumn. laughing
  5. Viktor_24reg
    Viktor_24reg 17 March 2016 06: 31
    +4
    The article is a plus. Hopefully, LDNR has indeed created a defense system. But, for some reason, it feels like there's no one to fight there ...
    1. Aspid 86
      Aspid 86 17 March 2016 08: 09
      +1
      And no one is needed, in the event of aggression, Russia will carry out an operation to force peace by rolling out the last collected remnants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions into a thin pancake.
  6. Evgesh91
    Evgesh91 17 March 2016 06: 37
    +4
    True, the balanced position of the leaders of LDNR does not yet allow to fully implement this plan. oh how ... now it's called a weighted position
  7. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 17 March 2016 06: 38
    +5
    For Ukraine to survive, it must declare war on Russia and immediately surrender ...
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 17 March 2016 06: 54
      +9
      For Westerners, this is even more profitable than war. Back in the 90s, Bush Sr. stated that the collapse of the USSR was a loss to the West. Russia lost two financial dumbbells - financing of the agricultural enterprise of Ukraine and social programs of Central Asia.
    2. Alex von Dorn
      Alex von Dorn 17 March 2016 08: 19
      0
      It is possible to capitulate, but whether Russia will send troops there is a big question. I have long said what to conquer to feed? No, there are no fools. Cheaper to plow what you can put a fence. It would be nice to pour concrete on the top edge of the fence))
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 March 2016 09: 59
        +1
        Quote: Alex von Dorn
        but whether Russia will send troops there, the big question

        Poroshenko already said that the problem cannot be solved peacefully, but now we have such an army, well, such .... but it would be nice to introduce a peacekeeping contingent from the OSCE, UN, without Russia, of course
    3. Filing
      Filing 17 March 2016 09: 49
      +8
      For 25 years, a new generation has grown up, which is zombified by Ukrainian media. There are few people who think. To re-bomb the electorate will be very difficult.
  8. Mik13
    Mik13 17 March 2016 06: 48
    +8
    Thank you, sensible article. There is only one remark:
    The economy of Ukraine is ruined. The people, in the majority, are anti-Russian. Sovereignty is almost lost. Small strokes remained.

    In order to find out how anti-Russian or pro-Russian the people are, it is necessary to conduct several sociological studies.

    Namely, on this issue, research is now impossible. Since the statement of the pro-Russian point of view will be regarded as a crime.

    So I categorically disagree with your statement about the anti-Russian majority.

    A picture - as an illustration:

  9. Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 17 March 2016 06: 54
    +1
    A vigorous mixture of Nazi oligarchs and a zombie, frightened population. Provocations and lies are a way to prolong existence. Enlightenment still comes through deprivation (possibly through blood). Time heals.
    1. Scud
      Scud 17 March 2016 08: 23
      +5
      I completely agree. One half of dill is a stupid Bandera, pro-fascist substance, the other half of Ukrainians keeps silent in a rag, take the demolition of the largest monument to Lenin in dill, no protests. All this leads to collapse, hostility, blood.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 March 2016 10: 39
        +4
        Quote: scud
        the other half of Ukrainians keep quiet in a rag, take the demolition of the largest monument to Lenin in dill, no protests

        Well ... protests are now prohibited, so at least you can gloat repeat
        A monument to Lenin in Zaporozhye stands, despite all the efforts of the nationally concerned public and workers to dismantle it.
        “Lenin in Zaporozhye has been dismantled for more than 15 hours. To no avail. Sawing a pedestal: 300 mm granite, then reinforced concrete plus two sleepers. Incredible job. It seems that the monument is eternal, like the Egyptian pyramids. We in the editorial office had the idea that perhaps at midnight he himself would go to hell, ”wrote local journalist Tatyana Vysotskaya on Facebook
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 17 March 2016 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          We in the editorial office had the idea that perhaps at midnight he himself would go to hell, ”wrote local journalist Tatyana Vysotskaya on Facebook

          I hope that after sunset he will come off the pedestal and chase joyful pi ... kicks of banderlogs into a bright communist future ...

      2. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 17 March 2016 18: 31
        +2
        Quote: scud
        Take the demolition of the largest monument to Lenin in dill, no protests.


        In the same Zaporozhye in 2014, they went out to protest against the coup. The photo "300 Zaporizhzhya Spartans" was spread all over the Internet.


        SO WHAT???

        The Kiev government did not scare it.
        Russia, as always, was silent.
        And where now these people are known only to God.
        No one cares whether they are even alive!

        Who needs such protests?
        1. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 17 March 2016 18: 59
          -1
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Who needs such protests?

          as far as I understand, those who are against come out to protest. those. for MYSELF, not for someone.
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 17 March 2016 23: 28
            -1
            For MYSELF people dig a garden or build a house. And when they go to political events, they do it for the SOCIETY.
            It’s just that those who went out with Russian flags and pro-Russian posters in 2014 throughout eastern Ukraine mistakenly believed that Russia is part of the SOCIETY for which they risk their life and health. Since then, many have already seen that Russia does not need them. And on this, the opposition to the current Ukrainian authorities has faded.

            I see that in the same way Russia belongs to its supporters in other post-Soviet countries, not to mention the countries of Eastern Europe (former allies under the Warsaw Treaty).

            And therefore it is not surprising that Russia enjoys such weak support in the world that it is impossible to remove even some of the sanctions. One RT channel will not change the situation. It was necessary to study and adopt the experience of the United States for a long time (at least for Ukraine) how to work with people and organizations in the country you need.

            But to see there are more interesting and profitable things ...
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  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 March 2016 07: 17
    +1
    Yes, to whom war, and to whom mother is dear! Here is a little from Roshen, sitting on suitcases on a hike, but the owners must follow the instructions. You look at the end will give more cookies! laughing
  11. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 17 March 2016 07: 20
    +4
    Wherever you throw a wedge everywhere!
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 17 March 2016 07: 21
    +3
    EU speaks openly about sabotaging reforms.. They also openly say that lace panties are not to be seen, for about 25 years, and there they will still look .. Moreover, Vkraina began to resemble Panikovsky, who pestered the "underground millionaire" Koreiko with the phrase: Give a million, give a million. ...
  13. Symarokov897
    Symarokov897 17 March 2016 07: 57
    +1
    Without war, this regime cannot resist .....
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 17 March 2016 08: 07
    +3
    Continuing the war for Ukraine is a direct path to further collapse. There is a US plan, but I think there is Poroshenko’s plan - how to ruin the country so as not to be left with money and no one owes to anyone.
    Petya inverts to Russia, builds two more candy factories, and Ukraine needs to be divided into regions and then all debts will hang in the air
  15. baudolino
    baudolino 17 March 2016 08: 07
    +1
    Kiev is no longer in a condition to realize all its Wishlist. And full-scale breakthroughs, as in 2014, will not work, and the African president does not need an exacerbation at the end of the term.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 17 March 2016 08: 37
    +1
    Something this photo resembles some frames from the film "Alexander Nevsky".
    And regarding the fate of banderlogy, I will say one thing, ours will not allow any foreign peacekeepers. Either go to our conditions or let them understand each other until they themselves call, come and put things in order.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 March 2016 10: 18
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      until you call, come and put things in order.

      Well, Julia, Groysman, Turchinov and a group of deputies ALREADY turned to Junkers and a number of presidents to remove Yatsenyuk (you can also Poroshenko) and put Dzharesko at the head of parliament, because such a political crisis can not be overcome! Nude Nude. Nobody wants to be extreme, and substitute an American - this is the move! wassat
  17. Nicola Bari
    Nicola Bari 17 March 2016 08: 40
    +1
    The current situation in Ukraine is reminiscent of the situation of a person forced to flee the frost in a fierce winter, burning furniture. Only the brothers are already burning the walls. You can continue the associative series for a long time, it won’t get any better, and it won’t get any funnier either - Ukraine, it’s just a part of Russia, and this part is pulled and carried by the maddened Infants, it becomes painful.
  18. qwert111
    qwert111 17 March 2016 08: 55
    +14
    I remembered for some reason the old joke:
    An elderly German sits in a Parisian cafe, drinks coffee, and next to him a company of burnt lads drinks moonshine from under the floor and seizes fat. The German is at a loss:
    - Excuse me, gentlemen, where are you from?
    - Yes, from Ukraine!
    - What is it: Ukraine?
    - Square power, grandfather! We have a coat of arms, anthem, and flag!
    - Where is it?
    - Are you crazy? We have a flag, a coat of arms and a national anthem. You sho Donbass do not know?
    - My father had mines there. But this is Russia!
    - Completely crazy, old one! We have a flag, a coat of arms and a national anthem. Crimea!
    - I am a young man fought in the Crimea with the Russian. But this is also Russia! What language do you have?
    - Ukrainian! Sovereign Mova!
    - And what is "leg" in Ukrainian?
    - Foot, grandfather!
    - And the "hand"?
    - Arm!
    - And the "head"?
    - Head!
    German pribaldel:
    - And the "ass" ?!
    - Sraka!
    - So you, because of one SREKA, invented a coat of arms, anthem and flag?
  19. Simoom
    Simoom 17 March 2016 09: 30
    +5
    This is not a way to preserve Ukraine, it is an attempt to keep territories that were never part of independent Ukraine that were never part of independent Ukraine. Ukraine, this is what in 1654 became part of Russia, within the borders of 1654, and Russia conquered the Crimea and other things from the Ottoman Empire, while Ukraine carried out Polish night pots to Polish panamas.
  20. lehmus2010
    lehmus2010 17 March 2016 10: 03
    -1
    One question torments me: was our army there or not? MPS officers talk about trains with equipment that is driven forward backward for encryption. I saw a couple of times trains with equipment that stood for two three days did not unload and disappeared (I work at the SFD training ground). And at the same time, I have not heard from Ukraine about one
    1. Rock2
      Rock2 17 March 2016 14: 36
      +1
      Do not suffer ... Forget already ... hi
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  21. Stena
    Stena 17 March 2016 10: 08
    +1
    I don’t agree with the article at all - from my point of view - there are too many inconsistencies with reality.
    Here is the first - why the Kiev authorities to attack (really) on the Russian Federation? You get the same cut ... and you lose power. That is to attack LDNR with the forces of those who have tasted the blood - yes. Because otherwise there is nowhere to put them, and they can do the filth of power. And it’s good for itself — nothing threatens the authorities — and they removed all those undesirable with the wrong hands.
    Secondly - no one forgot about the Minsk agreements - this is a trap for the Kiev authorities - and they are forced to fulfill these agreements. Now, if the LPNR suddenly "attacks" the Armed Forces of Ukraine and moves deeper, this would mean a violation of these agreements and the possible introduction of a Western peacekeeping contingent. Therefore, most likely, the LPNR does not attack, but waits for the dill to become active and enter deep enough into the LPNR territory so that Europe and the United States cannot accuse them of aggression in a united impulse. Do we need it?
    Everything goes according to plan. But unfortunately, this requires a lot of blood.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 March 2016 15: 26
      0
      Stena

      "By the power of those who have tasted blood ..."

      Do they have increased motivation?
      1. Stena
        Stena 17 March 2016 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        Do they have increased motivation?

        They are a real threat, first of all to those who sit in Kiev, and unlike the unarmed ones, they have what they want to argue about .... Therefore, they are very dangerous.
  22. Sirius
    Sirius 17 March 2016 10: 17
    +1
    I agree with the author only on one thing - that the Minsk agreements cannot resolve the conflict. Everything else is exactly the opposite. At that moment, an argument was needed to conclude the Minsk agreements, and the "Debaltsevo boiler" was enough. Mariupol is a large city with a heterogeneous population. it was necessary to hold back, and this additional forces and costs. Moscow competently set traps for the European Union, and he got there. They probably did not immediately understand that Poroshenko was simply not able to fulfill these agreements, otherwise there would be a collapse of his regime, and means the end of the policy of the Anglo-Saxons in Ukraine. Now Europe simply does not know what to do. As a result of the elections in Dobass, the government of the DPR, LPR will receive legitimacy, and this is the beginning of the collapse of Ukraine. It is impossible to introduce peacekeeping forces without Russia's consent. Poroshenko will not even be able to ask for help in the West, according to the Syrian version, because in Donbass there will be a legitimate government and not terrorists. And then, something no one takes into account that there is an alternative in Moscow The new government of Ukraine, and Yanukovych, was unlawfully overthrown, so that on the territory of the LPR / DPR it is possible to form a second Ukraine, and the authorities in Kiev can be declared terrorists on completely legal grounds. So the situation is completely in Moscow's hands. BRAVO!
  23. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 17 March 2016 10: 25
    +2
    Yes Kiev do not care about the agreement, they are preparing for war without thinking that it will be the complete destruction of the country
    1. Sirius
      Sirius 17 March 2016 11: 24
      +2
      Kiev cannot prepare for anything on its own - puppets are sitting there. Any independent step in any direction means the end of the regime.
  24. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 17 March 2016 11: 11
    +3
    Do you know why the beast that tried the little men try to kill as quickly as possible?
    Because after biting it once, he will not eat anything else.
    I hope the analogy is clear? hi
  25. pigkiller
    pigkiller 17 March 2016 11: 14
    0
    From the "Friends of Ukraine" club:

    “Why do Ukrainians need engineering?” (Lech Walesa)

    “The existence of Ukraine as a buffer state meets the interests of the Polish side.” (Member of the European Parliament Marek Sivets)
  26. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 17 March 2016 11: 45
    0
    There is only one difficulty for Kiev. Europeans, Americans, and Russians do not want to occupy Ukraine. Do not want to feed the slaves. Yes, and slaves do not want to have. Not profitable this business - the slave. The world economy has long abandoned such a relationship. A free man is much more profitable. Only profit, and takes care of itself.
    To the author, in the modern world there is such a thing as modern slavery, one of its manifestations is the well-known to all of us - inflation.
    Constant inflation - inflation implies an increase in prices for services and purchased goods, while the level of salary remains unchanged. This dependence forces people to work more and more, because a small salary is no longer enough to provide at least a minimum for survival.
    Such an endless cycle drives people into economic slavery more and more, not giving them anything above the norm and making them depend on work, whatever its pay. At the same time, world inflation is becoming more and more noticeable over time.
  27. Naval
    Naval 17 March 2016 12: 32
    +3
    Nothing will save the Ruin anymore, it’s agony, the muscles are still contracting, the heart seems to be beating, and the brain has already died. So the chicken runs without a head, but that doesn’t mean anything for its future .. Next is only soup.
  28. krops777
    krops777 17 March 2016 14: 22
    +1
    Ukraine must undergo purification by fire (war), only this way it will preserve its state, history and people or it (Ukraine) will sink into oblivion.
  29. iouris
    iouris 17 March 2016 15: 00
    0
    The war will certainly not give a chance for the Kiev junta to remain in power. In general, the main question is not how to preserve the state "Ukraine" as a large oligarchic structure, but how to change the oligarchic structure here and there. I am convinced that only a change in the social system can lead to the launch of integration processes, without which Russia will disappear. The oligarch is objectively not interested in political problems with the owners, which are associated with the existence of a large independent state.
  30. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 March 2016 16: 09
    0
    Ukraine is becoming a suitcase without a handle. Poroshenko will start a war or not, it will not help the economy, but will kill it to the end. It is true that those who rule are becoming more and more important not how they will be with Ukraine. and how to jump in time.
  31. Bassoon
    Bassoon 17 March 2016 17: 35
    +1
    The Minsk agreements have one more minus (not counting the constant violations of the ceasefire). The agreements made it possible for the gutting and his sixes to scream that the ukrovins had stopped the aggressor, and the boilers near Ilovaisk, Debaltseve, Izvarino were ignored.
  32. Dal arya
    Dal arya 17 March 2016 23: 02
    +1
    They didn’t take Mariupol, because someone didn’t want to ... In August 2014, he was essentially surrounded by a militia and there were not many soldiers there.
  33. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 17 March 2016 23: 09
    0
    In Ukraine, TROUBLE. That's all.
  34. Militia
    Militia 18 March 2016 00: 42
    0
    QUOTATION of the author: They were able to drive the Kiev authorities into a corner. More precisely, she herself made this "corner" with pleasure. And then what?

    Kiev power drove itself into a cock's corner. And then there will be what usually happens and has already come. Everyone is starting this corner. And everyone in this corner is becoming, to put it mildly, not handshakes.
  35. Cappit
    Cappit 18 March 2016 04: 46
    +2
    I apologize to ask: is this an analytical article or a self-PR? The discovery of America is the use of an external enemy to solve internal problems. The Egyptian pharaohs used such tactics!
    Using the author's expression: "Everything that is written above has been known for a long time. And analysts" sucked "this topic from all sides," it is appropriate to ask, where is the new information, where are the facts on the stated topic? Where is the logic, finally? This is great: "A large-scale civil war" with the prospect of a military conflict with the Russian Federation is a way for Poroshenko to stay in the presidency! But again I apologize to ask: how long will he sit in that very chair after that? Everything is mixed up to a heap: the LDNR, and the USSR, and the EU, and blacks in Africa.
    Guys, let's live together and not deal here with transfusion from empty to empty. Respect the members of the VO club and take care of their time.
  36. zaboyschik
    zaboyschik 18 March 2016 09: 16
    +1
    Nonsense, after the capture of Debaltseve, the Ukrainians fled themselves right up to Artemovsk, in Svetlodar there was no one at all. We are just about to come forward and then STOP. Not one step forward. Occupation of Svetlodarka would automatically remove ukrov from Gorlovka, they would end up in the same bag they were in Debaltseve. I don’t know for Marik, but the guys said there the situation was similar. Here it starts again and this time I don’t know whether I will go or not, this is not our war, not the Donbass.