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The theory of drive and Bandera antisystem

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With the start of the coup in Ukraine, some observers explained its development as a natural factor - the increased passionarity of Western Ukraine, historical Galicia. With the beautiful word “passionarity” they explain today the Bandera aggression in the south-east of Ukraine. That is, the energy of a passionate minority is supposedly spreading, and there is nothing to be done about it.


The theory of drive and Bandera antisystem


The war in the Donbas has refuted this lie, the Bandera regions give the lowest mobilization figures, and more recruits from the central and eastern regions fight. That is, heightened “passionarity” covered the financing of extremist nationalist organizations, and they are still covering up. Passionality for money is a marketable commodity at all times, but the cruelty of ukronatsionalistov, according to the theory of passionarity L.N. Gumilev, says just the opposite - about their sub-drive, that is, the reduced passion of the true Bandera: real passionaries, as a rule, are generous.

However, the historical theory of the greatest passionary of the twentieth century L.N. Gumilev, a Russian Soviet historian and Eurasian, allows for a different look at current political events. We will not go into the details of Gumilev's passionary theory here, those who wish can refer to the original source - his book “The Ethnogenesis and the Biosphere of the Earth”, but let us turn to the obvious conclusions.

According to the theory of passionarity, the Galicia-Ukraine-Banderia project is an anti-system, a foreign body, introduced into the parent system of Russia-Russian world. It was formed as a special project of Austria-Hungary, Germany and Poland against Russia, there are numerous historical testimonies about this. Here is the most vivid, General Max Hoffman, Chief of the General Staff of the Eastern Front in 1919: “In fact, Ukraine is the business of my hands, and not the fruit of the conscious will of the Russian people.” (Pay attention to the Hoffmann's “Russian people,” he says, who becomes “Ukrainian,” betraying his name.) But the opinion of the “Ukrainian” Hetman Skoropadsky (1873-1945): “Narrow Ukrainians are exclusively a product brought to us from Galicia, ... I consider it senseless and disastrous for Ukraine to break away from Russia, especially in cultural terms. "

The historical development of this West Russian antisystem is the path of the genocide of the population of Galicia, remembering its Russian historical birthright, the horror of the killings in the Austrian concentration camp Talerhof and others similar in the early twentieth century, the first in Europe and second in the world, after the English camps for the Boers in South Africa. Today, this anti-system in the form of the Bandera Kiev regime has strengthened and captured almost the entire territory of the former Soviet Ukraine after the February 22 coup, thanks to financial and military support from the outside, because it still remains a special project of the West against Russia-Russian world.

The anti-system received such a name from Gumilev, because it declares with its “values” everything directly opposite to the maternal systemic ethnic values. It forms a “negative world perception” in relation to the maternal system, and therefore it is absolutely hostile to it, exists at its expense, devouring its resources, population, and leads an endless war with it until one of the parties is completely destroyed.

In this sense, communism in its first, after Lenin, Trotskyist phase, before the establishment of Stalin’s dictatorship, was an obvious anti-system — a “permanent world revolution” in relation to the capitalist western system, but an anti-system that is social and international in content. The Bandera anti-system is by nature Galician nationalist, and historically neo-Nazi, therefore, feeling its “revolutionary” kinship with communism, nevertheless demolishes communist monuments.

The maternal system confronts the anti-system historically in different ways, but there is, theoretically, a common answer. It produces the so-called passionate consortia - a kind of antibodies for the antisystem, which engage in combat with the antisystem, and can also destroy it.

Any civilization system has its own permanent consortia - it is a political system, the army and special services, their duties include tracking and destruction of anti-systems in the body of the maternal civilization system. However, these permanent consortia may degrade, in fact, as a result of this, antisystems appear. The degradation of the permanent consortia of post-Soviet Ukraine, under pressure from the West, and made possible the coup d'état of the Bandera anti-system in Kiev.

In response to the antisystemic coup in Kiev, the maternal Russian system developed new consortia — the Russian Spring, Novorossia as an idea, responded with the Crimea and the uprising in the Donbas, as the visible material embodiment of the Russian Spring. The support of the consortia of Russia, including the military, the new Russian consortia in Novorossia, allows them to successfully repel the onslaught of the Bandera anti-system, and its Western allies.

The West, according to the theory of drive, is a distinctive civilization, and alien for Russia, as well as for China, India and a number of other civilizations. Geopolitical confrontation between them is inevitable. Intercivilizational relations are partnerships, and at times become aggravated before wars. From here originates, over the centuries, the Western policy of weakening Russia, in today's language, the “policy of containment”.

Hence the centuries-old waves of expansion of the West, from the Poles in the Time of Troubles, then Napoleon, Hitler, the Cold War, and, finally, the creation by Washington of the Bandera anti-system, in which 5 billion dollars were pumped, according to the deputy. US Secretary of State V.Nuland. Creating a Bandera anti-system through a coup d'état is a clear geopolitical aggression of the West against Russia.

In principle, consortia can conserve, block the anti-system (freeze the conflict). Then, a blocked anti-system, by virtue of its abstractly aggressive, destructive nature, will either self-destruct, under pressure from the maternal system, or turn into some kind of more adequate creative system.

Thus, the blocked communist antisystem of the “world revolution” in Russia was reborn, in the throes of 30, into the Stalinist system of “building socialism in a single country”, oppressive but creative to the current conditions and creative in spirit, so it was able to defeat Western fascism in the face of Hitler. The Trotskyist anti-system of the “world revolution” burned down during the Stalinist repressions.

In the Bandera case, the rebirth of the anti-system is hardly possible, because it is fed and directed by the West precisely to support its aggression against Russia as a system. For the same reason, the self-destruction of the Bandera antisystem is also impossible.


The Minsk agreements in their political part is a diplomatic attempt to eliminate the anti-systemic features of the Kiev regime, which will lead to the loss of its identity by the anti-system, that is, to its self-destruction. Anti-system can not go on it, so the Bandera regime will sabotage the Minsk Agreement indefinitely. While they, one way or another, do not collapse. What strategy can Russia choose in this situation?

The anti-system always needs an enemy, the Bandera anti-system declared its enemies long before 22 February 2014, from the concentration camp Talerhof. Its very existence is really deadly for Russia. Statements by an extremist Korchinsky and other Svidomo leaders of the anti-system about the struggle before the defeat of Moscow, and high-ranking American generals like Philip Breedlove about the victory over Russia - this is not crazy nonsense, these are the program goals of the anti-system according to the theory of passionarity of L.N. Gumilev. Therefore, the choice of Russia, in general, no.

For Russia, there is only one solution - to eliminate the anti-system on its borders, and for this it is necessary to eliminate the causes of the emergence and existence of the Bandera anti-system. That is, to achieve the termination of Western support for the Bandera anti-system, up to a military conflict with it.

The blocking of the Bandera anti-system, necessary for Russia, can ensure the military-political defeat of its Western parents and masterminds; this is a radical solution to the issue of ensuring Russia's security. Or the threat of such a war that the West will refuse to support the Bandera anti-system. Or the creation of such problems to the West, which are incompatible with life, that it will forget about Ukraine forever, possibly with the help of the global financial and economic crisis.

There will be no Russian-Ukrainian war, as President Vladimir Putin said. But the Russian-Bandera front of the Russian-American war is possible, including in the United States. The operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria is a clear geopolitical counter-attack of Russia on Washington, moreover, decisive, since the grouping of the Aerospace Forces in Syria is only growing.

In fact, Russia decided to go to war with the United States on the Syrian site, and the States are retreating, the talk about the creation by the Americans of a no-fly zone over Syria has been silenced. The terms of the truce in Syria were accepted at the request of Russia, that is, they were dictated by Moscow, and Washington, on reflection, agreed with them.
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  1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 2 March 2016 06: 41
    +7
    To us such neighbors are stupid and wild near at hand, which is far from a joy. Ukroin needs to be federalized and Russified.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 2 March 2016 08: 10
      +2
      All! Finita la commedia - the concert is over. Put out the light! The Ukrainian circus is still overthrown by a coup, and in the state several more generations will remember how they once supported those who destroyed their dreams by circling the people around the finger.
      Ex-President of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko explained that it was precisely the Western policies followed in Kiev that had a negative impact on all areas of the political system, launching a time bomb for Poroshenko and other officials clearly living under the dictation of the United States and the EU. Yushchenko claims that the current president, Petro Poroshenko, will wait for his maidan.
      Yushchenko actually announced the third Maidan.
      "I can smell burning tires. And, believe me, this will be a real third Maidan, and not an imitation that took place the other day in the center of Kiev,"

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160301/1382432602.html
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 2 March 2016 11: 22
        +1
        Just do not have to celebrate in advance.
        They said about Preza Parasha that they would throw him off in a couple of months.
        They once said about the Bolsheviks that they would not hold out for half a year, the people would overthrow and call on the tsar.
        The third Maidan resolved.
        Who is Yushchenko? What and when did he succeed? Why should we believe his predictions?

        No, the Banderlozha power itself will not dissolve. Need help. And only Novorossia can do this.
        Only banderlogs from despair and starvation will fly off the coils and climb into the Crimea.
        Then yes, then Russia will have the right to undergo surgery.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 2 March 2016 12: 57
      +5
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Ukroin needs to be federalized

      "... to fideralize ..." Maybe you first need to learn how to write correctly in your own language before dividing the skin of an unkilled bear? What can attract the population of Ukraine to "fideralization"? A forceful solution? Well, let's say theoretically such an option is possible. Suppose that the Armed Forces of Ukraine is defeated, on Khreshchatyk-Russian tanks and "huntik" dangling on poles along the street (it would be nice). Like this, in a row, one after another: Valtsman, Kogan, Bakai, and all the rest of the trash lower rank. What's next? Replacing Kiev oligarchs with Moscow ones? Does anyone need it? After all, if you remove the Bandera component from Ukraine, you will get the same dictatorship of oligarchy as in Russia. Let's change an awl for soap! The people on May 9 and St. George's ribbon, and the oligarchs have everything else, right? that the majority will not agree. Until there is a common idea capable of uniting Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, acceptable and fair for all, there can be no talk of any "federalization".
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 2 March 2016 17: 56
        +3
        unfortunately you're Revnagan right

        so sadly -
        Quote: revnagan
        Replacing the Kiev oligarchs in Moscow?

        Quote: revnagan
        ! The people of May 9 and St. George’s tape, and the oligarchs all the rest, right?


        This is generally a topic that goes far beyond discussing the Ukrainian situation. In general, after the death of our USSR Homeland, we all suffered (and continue) from 3 factors

        1) Disintegration of the country, industries and the market. Now 3 republics are trying to fix through the CU and the EAC

        2) The pressure of the West in order to finish off all that remains - as if we are resisting - then weakly - then a little bit

        3) Unjust redistribution of property - with which the people have not yet come to terms. The stratification of society into oligarchs and poor people - the middle class is scanty. The most dangerous "mine" - which can be used by external enemies. Who will go to fight for "Abramovich"?
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 2 March 2016 06: 43
    +7
    West will refuse to support the Bandera antisystem.. There are small steps of the West in this direction, but so far the Bandera antisystem is beneficial to the West .. they will not refuse from it ..
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 2 March 2016 08: 28
      0
      while the Bandera antisystem is beneficial to the West

      And what is the benefit. In thoughts for the future. In the meantime, the Bandera antisystem brings some losses to the West.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 2 March 2016 11: 24
        +3
        As long as political profits exceed economic losses, this anti-system will be maintained. Moreover, within the framework of the control system, the antisystem becomes a system.
        Threat Minus is not mine.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 2 March 2016 11: 47
        0
        If there were losses ... it would have been leaked long ago ..
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 March 2016 07: 17
    0
    achieve a cessation of West support for the Bandera antisystem, up to a military conflict with him.

    Start a military conflict with the West over Bandera Ukraine? It may be easier to strengthen LDNR assistance and create conditions under which the West will not be in Ukraine. Moreover, the truth about the Maydan coup is already starting to reach Europe. And the United States has not yet given up aid to this country. Patience and a little effort.
    1. gergi
      gergi 2 March 2016 09: 41
      +1
      Not because of Bandera Ukraine, but for Ukraine without Bandera. Feel the difference. Yes, this can and should go to conflict. Otherwise, tomorrow they, partners dol.anye, will be taken to us.
      1. Conrad
        Conrad 2 March 2016 11: 42
        +7
        Quote: gergi
        Not because of Bandera Ukraine, but for Ukraine without Bandera

        It is necessary to call a spade a spade. With what fright we call the Russian city of Kiev the capital of Ukraine, the city founded by Russian tsars and leaders of the regional centers of Ukraine. Why!!! When I hear from "Svidomo" that they say it is necessary to destroy this or that Russian city, because it is Russian. Personally, I am painfully hurt that in return it is not even possible to destroy any Ukrainian city. Not even because we are different (although this it's important) But, most importantly, because there is not a single Ukrainian city. ALL cities in Ukraine are not Ukrainian !!! ALL are founded by Russians !!! Some, such as Lviv, modern architecture have Polish-European. But still, these are cities founded by Russians! And this is RUSSIAN heritage! There is no Ukraine, and there is precisely, as the author of the article pointed out, ANTISYSTEM! And the antisystem is not a geographical concept. This is in the head. That heads and need to do. And above all, the correct use of words! Not government of Ukraine, and the ILLEGAL GROUPING that COMES FROM THE ARMED COUPLING is not unrecognized LDNR, and the remaining faithful constitution of the territory, or something like that, it would be clear where the law, and where the bandits.
        The use of the enemy’s language is already a loss !!!
        1. Mantykora
          Mantykora 2 March 2016 20: 35
          +4
          How are you right !!! It is important to abandon the language of the enemy.

          - LDNR is what remains of Ukraine after the coup, the escaped president and the betrayal of the army. The rest of the territory is the territory occupied by the Americans with a puppet illegitimate and terrorist regime that pursues a creeping policy of genocide (and not only of the occupied territories, but also of Crimea, Donbass). And economic and cultural.
          - Not the Ukrainian security forces, but gangs of an illegitimate regime.
          - demolition of monuments - barbaric destruction of cultural heritage. What is the difference from ISIS?
          - renaming of streets and cities - part of the policy of cultural genocide and evidence of occupation.
          - experiments at nuclear power plants, blocking the Severokrymsky Canal - environmental genocide.
          And so on ...
  4. c3r
    c3r 2 March 2016 07: 24
    12
    Russia was present in Ukraine economically, but it was necessary to combine economics and politics and ambassadors to plant not Chernomyrdin and Zurabov (rukozho..pyy), but someone more capable. We must try to carry out political and cultural expansion. And stop calling these freaks brothers. They are brothers become when they become people, not banderlogs!
    1. Galich Kos
      Galich Kos 2 March 2016 08: 27
      +4
      Quote: c3r
      We must try to carry out political and cultural expansion


      This had to be done earlier, when there was such an opportunity.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 2 March 2016 08: 34
      +3
      Quote: c3r
      Russia was present in Ukraine economically, but it was necessary to combine economics and politics and ambassadors to plant not Chernomyrdin and Zurabov (rukozho..pyy), but someone more capable. We must try to carry out political and cultural expansion. And stop calling these freaks brothers. They are brothers become when they become people, not banderlogs!

      Gold words.
    3. bandabas
      bandabas 2 March 2016 10: 03
      +1
      Well, they were imprisoned according to the principle of Mr. Chernomyrdin - "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
  5. with
    with 2 March 2016 07: 33
    +5
    Everything is correct. But in detail - the West indirectly supports the ideas (distant forecast of the future) of Turkey about the Ottoman Empire, Poland - about the Commonwealth from sea to sea. Therefore, the anti-system will be supported by them. All these years after the Victory of 1945-1991, there was a replenishment through the special services of Bandera ideas, which walked in full growth along the Outskirts together with Kravchuk, Ku, Yushchenko, etc. Tell me, do you care whether there is a war or tension inside the "German world "between Austria and Germany? That's it! The West is a mercantile collection of "pique vests". And no friendship to the Russian world not experienced never.
  6. surrozh
    surrozh 2 March 2016 08: 06
    +3
    What is passionarity? They wanted lace panties and wages of 3 thousand euros, and then Bandera's people appeared with their slogans, so the whole herd went to the EU. "Destroy the anti-system at the borders" - why have all sorts of "anti-systems" been destroyed at the borders, in their lairs?
  7. nimboris
    nimboris 2 March 2016 08: 14
    +3
    And the battle continues again, and the heart is anxious in the chest ... The theory of passionarity Gumileva L.N. really explains a lot. At the very least, after reading it, I began to pay more attention to patterns, causation in history, and not to a set of facts.
  8. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 2 March 2016 08: 25
    +6
    What does passionarity have to do with it? Nationalism in Ukraine was carefully cultivated.
    Many Russian schools were closed. Including under Yanukovych and Azarov, who are now hiding with us. Now, would you ask Azarov, what did you do to strengthen Russian-Ukrainian relations?
    What does this have to do with Hoffmann.
    Germany fell in the 18th and lay in dust, and could no longer have any influence, but Lenin came up with a territorial national structure. In the presence of the Cheka and Dzerzhinsky, the Bolsheviks could generally organize the structure of the state as they like.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      2 March 2016 08: 56
      +4
      Hoffman, despite the fact that he really created "Ukrainian governments", but admitted this in 1919. Lenin and the Cheka could not organize the structure of the state as they liked, but only in accordance with the ideology of their party and the entire revolutionary mentality. This is precisely what Gumilyov says well, so he forgave the "red wheel" that he himself fell under, because it is historical.
      We are now laughing at the voluntarism of Khrushchev, and they themselves are still sometimes voluntarists. Politicians in history are very limited, and today's ones from Putin to Obama, not to mention puppets like Poroshenko.
      It only seems that they are "kings" or "emperors" and can do anything. They can do some things, but not all.
    2. Talgat
      Talgat 2 March 2016 18: 04
      +2
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      What does passionarity have to do with it?


      I agree. According to Gumilev, passionarity is all the same when the people expand their range. develops new territories - creates empires

      When the Great Steppe, born in Altai and Tuva, splashed out onto the expanses of Eurasia and created whole empires, technological revolutions, the highest standard of living on earth - after all, technologies to live where it is difficult to survive at all - and in the end clashed with the West - Rome and beat him - it was passionarity

      When Russia, being an integral part of the Golden Horde, after its collapse - was able to reunite - already under its command - to reunite all its parts in a new format - Tsarist Russia, united with the Great Steppe - yes - it was passionarity

      But in Ukraine, I don’t see something, so that something is reunited or created, somehow more to collapse everything
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 3 March 2016 23: 05
        0
        Talgat

        Passionarity is the potential for action.

        This idiotic term is consonant with the root passive. Which means the exact opposite. For many people, there is a break in the concept.

        Gumilev, of course, tried to make his theory as confusing as possible in simple things. The ability to simply express your thoughts is often not available to many great ones.
  9. Belousov
    Belousov 2 March 2016 08: 45
    +1
    It is not necessary to destroy this anti-system at the borders, so we will fight only with the investigation, but we must fight with the causes. These reasons are behind puddles, these reasons are aimed at the complete destruction of the Russian world, as the only one capable of effectively resisting the Anglo-Saxon expansion. And so far, with the hands of their agents in the Russian government and the Kremlin, they are quite successful, alas ...
  10. Scud
    Scud 2 March 2016 08: 47
    +1
    Do not intimidate and exterminate! Do not be afraid that people will curse us for cruelty. Let half of the 40 million Ukrainian population remain, there is nothing terrible in this.
    Roman Shukhevych.
  11. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 2 March 2016 09: 02
    +2
    This article is a solid crunch of French rolls ...
    The Bolsheviks, unlike the White Guards (who were among the participants in the conspiracy against the legitimate Tsar) were able to become the ONLY force that can unite the country. Therefore, they have NO RELATIONSHIP to brown khokhloreich. There is no need to deceive and mislead by inventing an imaginary similarity between fascism and communism. This is a favorite pastime of post-Soviet politicians who betrayed recent communist ideals and turned into "ardent democrats".
  12. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 2 March 2016 09: 02
    0
    By the way.
    In our media about the slaughtered girl - not a word.
    Indifferent citizens at the metro called nationalists. And the Uzbek beast - a patient with schizophrenia.
    A shame.
    1. UrraletZ
      UrraletZ 2 March 2016 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      By the way.
      In our media about the slaughtered girl - not a word.
      Indifferent citizens at the metro called nationalists. And the Uzbek beast - a patient with schizophrenia.
      A shame.

      Correctly and do so as not to provoke ethnic unrest.
  13. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 2 March 2016 09: 13
    0
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    By the way.
    In our media about the slaughtered girl - not a word.
    Indifferent citizens at the metro called nationalists. And the Uzbek beast - a patient with schizophrenia.
    A shame.

    But about the German girl who was fucked by the Arabs - everyone checked in and rinsed for 2 weeks.
    Even Lavrov made a request.
    Lavrov, ay, where are you ?!
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 2 March 2016 18: 10
      +1
      Yes everything is correct

      this is info war - it’s not about the coverage of the event and not about the conclusions and events - we know that it doesn’t work like that - it’s about changing the mood of the society - zombie

      Our underwear can be found to rinse CNN NBC and so on and in Russia there are a lot of pro-Western media

      Can we all rinse their underwear? There - take an example from the Chinese - they come forward with concern for human rights in the West - that’s right
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  15. antifa
    antifa 2 March 2016 09: 57
    +4
    He spoke and will repeat. It is necessary to recognize Ukraine as a fascist state at the international level. And it was necessary to do this back in 2014. But the interests of your business structures in Ukraine were higher than national ones. So what? All the same, Russian business will be squeezed out with the help of frostbitten paid Nazi groups.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 3 March 2016 23: 30
      +1
      antifa

      There is no sense in recognizing. Fascism is not spontaneous, it is custom-made. Historians say that fascism is the weapon of the bourgeoisie in the struggle against the proletariat. Well, or for power. Well, whoever feeds the lady, that lady also dances. It makes no sense to declare.
  16. Scud
    Scud 2 March 2016 10: 07
    +1
    Tell me the mechanism for recognizing dill as a fascist? If Ukrainians themselves do not take up their minds, then will they blame Russia or someone else?
    1. antifa
      antifa 2 March 2016 10: 29
      +2
      Violation of Human Rights, Freedom of Speech, the destruction of dissidents, the genocide of Donbass ....
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 3 March 2016 23: 33
      +1
      Scud

      Go to Wikipedia and try to find a definition of fascism. There, the definition refers to the definition. You can’t understand anything. Well, if there is no definition, then there is no problem.
  17. atamankko
    atamankko 2 March 2016 10: 24
    +1
    Ukrainians do not have any "passionarity", but they have a great desire to live
    not working for free, but only engaging in robbery and begging.
    1. Conrad
      Conrad 2 March 2016 11: 55
      +3
      As I understand it, LN Gumilyov "Ethnogenesis and the biosphere of the earth" You have not read. Since the ethnos of "Malorosov" and "Velikorosov" has the starting point of the same passionary impulse, and both ethnos developed within the framework of the common history of the "Russian" superethnos, the passionarity of both ethnic groups, according to the theory of passionarity, should be absolutely the same!
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 4 March 2016 00: 19
        +1
        Conrad, you got it right.

        Only, I would expand the list to more ethnic groups. Since the stereotypes of ethnic behavior in Eastern Europe have no striking differences. It is connected with a common history including joint wars.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 4 March 2016 00: 16
      0
      atamankko

      Do you want such a life?

      Join now.
  18. Vega
    Vega 2 March 2016 10: 29
    0
    The call from the western regions is low, so there are not many of them. They will be manned by the national battalions and delivered as a detachment. And the rest, who were not called up either over the hill or in "Azov".
  19. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 2 March 2016 10: 36
    +1
    while banderlogs rule no good, you can’t wait for this scum to be burned with a hot iron
  20. engineer
    engineer 2 March 2016 10: 39
    +5
    Russia had to declare the Maidan a coup and not recognize the new government and the president of the ruin. then everything would be legitimate. and no one blabbed about the contract. and once recognized. they got sanctions from the west. the whole world uses the mechanism of non-recognition and Russia has not applied. here is the result.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 4 March 2016 00: 50
      0
      engineer

      What is the difference, how to call and how to declare. Nothing to change. Reasons to one degree or another can always be found.

      What about Krylov, "you are to blame because I want to eat."
  21. user3970
    user3970 2 March 2016 11: 20
    0
    He lived for three years in Ukraine, in Odessa (the old airport and the village of Kotovsky, AU!). He worked on the construction of the Odessa ATEC. I traveled all over the region and Moldova along and across. Mova did not hear ANYWHERE. We prepared a site for the foundation of the nuclear power plant, removed a layer of black soil - 1,5 - 2 meters! Filmed chernozem - stockpiled. I saw the fields under s \ x. Song! 200 ha each. Along the perimeter of the walnut tree planting, further along the perimeter are wide concrete channels where water is launched from the artificial concrete reservoir. Everything is growing here! My opinion . When Russia comes to Ukraine, it will destroy ALL industry in this territory (although this has already been done), organize collective farms, like the Israeli kibbutzim, and Russia, finally, as under Stalin, will stop eating bread from fodder grain with insects and chemicals. And yet, a little off topic. Let the Jews and their kibbutzim in the Crimea. They are very asking! Tired of them the Sinai desert. And I got a real hotz loaf with cheap real tomatoes!
    1. Ostwest
      Ostwest 2 March 2016 15: 27
      +1
      Interesting offer. Destroy the Zhidobandera power and run the Yids again ... What would they become presidents again, disguising themselves as a wide-Svidomo Poroshenko and everything in a circle?
  22. misterwulf
    misterwulf 2 March 2016 11: 26
    0
    We must follow the path of the Ovs and Turks with regard to Syria. To create a "club of defenders (friends, salvation ...) of Ukraine" - it is convenient for anyone. Accept ALL! Even Qatar and the United States. Constantly hold all sorts of "readings and summits" there. About anything. The main thing is that this "club" is based on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    From time to time, issue ultimatums and threaten ... a ground operation. The opinions of the "satellites" are not taken into account here. They are for mass production there.laughing
    Here's the catch. s and Turks miscalculated with the stability of the Syrian regime. This is a stable design, in spite of everything. With Ukry, the situation is the opposite.
    After that, you can enter the "sovereign territory" and even the "government quarter" on the street with impunity. Bankova, Grushevsky, etc.
    And there, time will make its own adjustments.
  23. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 2 March 2016 11: 29
    0
    Quote: Victor Kamenev

    We are now laughing at the voluntarism of Khrushchev, and they themselves are still sometimes voluntarists. Politicians in history are very limited, and today's ones from Putin to Obama, not to mention puppets like Poroshenko.
    It only seems that they are "kings" or "emperors" and can do anything. They can do some things, but not all.

    I agree with this completely.
  24. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 March 2016 12: 20
    +5
    Quote: gergi
    for Ukraine without Bandera

    "A 14-year-old girl cannot calmly look at the meat. When they are going to fry cutlets in her presence, she turns pale and trembles like an aspen leaf. A few months ago, on a sparrow night, armed people came to a peasant hut near the town of Sarny and stabbed the owners with knives. The girl looked at the agony of her parents with eyes wide with horror.One of the bandits put a knife to the child's throat, but at the last minute a new "idea" was born in his brain.
    -Live for the glory of Stepan Bandera! And so that, why didn’t die of hunger, we will leave you products. Well, lads, chop her pork!
    "Lads" liked this offer. They pulled plates and bowls from the shelves and a few minutes before
    a girl numb with despair grew a mountain of meat from the bleeding bodies of her father and mother ... "
    Why not names. Yaroslav Galan - Ukrainian Soviet writer-antifascist - (1902 - 1949)
    In Odessa, the current Bandera did the same. It is necessary to destroy, as in the late 40s-50s under Stalin!
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 2 March 2016 14: 29
      +2
      I forgot to add that Y. Galan himself was killed on October 24.10.1949, 1945 with a Hutsul hatchet by a Bandera soldier Mikhail Stakhur. He killed him meanly, hitting him several times from behind on the head. It was Bandera's revenge for the XNUMX written his scary essay "What has no name"
  25. Cartalon
    Cartalon 2 March 2016 12: 28
    +6
    The antisystem is a life-rejecting ideology; it hasn’t been heard about the kamikaze halls so far, I haven’t heard anything yet, there is a Galician subethnos formed from Ruthenians, Poles and Little Russians who did not like Moscow and then imperial power. It’s bad to re-educate Galicians, it would be better to separate them from Ukraine and give them to the Poles if they are tormented, but pro-Russian regions have separated from Ukraine and now we have no demographic majority in Ukraine, so most likely we won’t return Ukraine without a big war
  26. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 2 March 2016 13: 50
    -1
    Little, little, slurred, wretched ...
    When will there be normal adequate rhetoric?
    "Or the threat of such a war that the West will refuse to support the Bandera anti-system. Or the creation of such problems for the West, incompatible with life, that it will forever forget about Ukraine, possibly with the help of the global financial and economic crisis."
    When will our sluggish authorities to the Westerners draw this ultimatum? laughing
    Either roll back - or you will die! And for greater persuasiveness, a missile strike on the landon - in the same place, all the world's scum dug in.
    laughing laughing laughing
  27. Shustov
    Shustov 3 March 2016 12: 58
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    Quote: revnagan
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Ukroin needs to be federalized

    "... to fideralize ..." Maybe you first need to learn how to write correctly in your own language before dividing the skin of an unkilled bear? What can attract the population of Ukraine to "fideralization"? A forceful solution? Well, let's say theoretically such an option is possible. Suppose that the Armed Forces of Ukraine is defeated, on Khreshchatyk-Russian tanks and "huntik" dangling on poles along the street (it would be nice). Like this, in a row, one after another: Valtsman, Kogan, Bakai, and all the rest of the trash lower rank. What's next? Replacing Kiev oligarchs with Moscow ones? Does anyone need it? After all, if you remove the Bandera component from Ukraine, you will get the same dictatorship of oligarchy as in Russia. Let's change an awl for soap! The people on May 9 and St. George's ribbon, and the oligarchs have everything else, right? that the majority will not agree. Until there is a common idea capable of uniting Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, acceptable and fair for all, there can be no talk of any "federalization".

    What idea could there be? If it was more difficult for people from Donbass to get to work in Russia than others, but all of Muslim Asia feels very comfortable in Russia, slowly killing young guys and now children. And how poor the refugees from Donbass are in Russia! meet ordinary Russians !? It seems that the place is being cleared for gangs of African Americans and Latin Americans and there will be Latino-Russians, Afro-Russians rap singing and guarding their neighborhoods while driving in jumping cars. This is of course fantastic but everything goes to this.