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The arbitration court will consider a new claim for recognition of bankrupt "Kurganmashzavod"

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Kovrov Electromechanical Plant "filed a lawsuit with the Kurgan Arbitration Court demanding to declare OJSC Kurganmashzavod (manufacturer of infantry fighting vehicles) bankrupt, reports TASS.




This information is contained in the court file.

The document says: “The Kurgan Arbitration Court received a petition from the Kovrov Electromechanical Plant to declare the Kurgan Machine-Building Plant bankrupt.”

Details of the claim are not given.

This is not the first such lawsuit: “On February 24 of 2016, it became known that the arbitration court rejected the statement of MTE Group on declaring Kurganmashzavod bankrupt,” reminds the agency.

The press service of the court then noted that “in relation to Kurganmashzavod, there are currently no legal grounds for bankruptcy”.

Earlier, TASS reported that the plant also had wage arrears to workers and gas debt to Gazprom Mezhregiongaz Kurgan.

Help Agency: "Kurganmashzavod" is the only company in the Russian Federation that manufactures infantry fighting vehicles that are in service with the armies of almost 30 countries: BMP-2, BMP-3, vehicles based on them, upgraded BMP-1, BMP-2 and BMP-3, armored repair-evacuation vehicles BREM-L, as well as a unified chassis based on the BMP-3 for creating various weapon systems on its basis. "
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  1. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 29 February 2016 19: 18
    84
    what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???
    1. Afinogen
      Afinogen 29 February 2016 19: 21
      22
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???



      It seems to me that the American "partners" have put their mean little hand to this.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 29 February 2016 19: 23
        53
        Quote: Athenogen
        It seems to me that the American "partners" have put their mean little hand to this.

        Yes, and these jackals could too. There were pigs eating snouts. hi
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 29 February 2016 19: 31
          21
          It is impossible for such an enterprise to simply go bankrupt now! Don't go to the 90s! "Someone's" paw paddles under itself!
          1. vadsonen
            vadsonen 29 February 2016 20: 01
            26
            This is such a form of change of ownership - to go bankrupt with the goal of being cheaper to outbid.
            1. Pravdarm
              Pravdarm 29 February 2016 20: 41
              24
              Some thread Oligarch or Verkhodmin (more likely), from the "close" to his son, the dealers of life muddies! And - retire! With honesty! (You need to rest! Golden words, golden man!)

              Like in "Vologda oil" GOS.BABLO (~ 2 lard) spent on modernization (purchase of good imported equipment), and now it is unprofitable. And they want to privatize for 1 lard!
              A scandal has arisen and is growing around the privatization of the Vologda Oil brand. The All-Russian Popular Front came out against: "The activists of the All-Russian Popular Front are outraged re an attempt to sell for 1,08 billion rubles. factory owning the Vologda Oil brand. 100% of the plant’s shares are owned by the state (represented by the Federal Property Management Agency), and over the past 10 years more than 2 billion budget rubles have been invested in the modernization and development of the infrastructure of a profitable enterprise ...
              But someone is very strong wants to get it for a billion. I am more inclined to the version that even the plant itself is not interesting, but the brand itself is interesting. The company "Pepsi" a year ago, offered to buy a concentrate of taste "Vologda oil." In order not to make high-quality raw materials, cream and milk, and to 80% of palm oil add a little milk so that there is a milk product, and add the Vologda butter concentrate.
            2. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 29 February 2016 21: 27
              18
              I apologize for offtop
              from LEXX with courage - about "the same" T-90 and the battle that day
              1. Pravdarm
                Pravdarm 29 February 2016 21: 39
                +6
                More news is not in the topic, but sadly:
                The Su-25 military aircraft crashed in the Stavropol Territory. The pilot died, according to TASS, citing the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The crash occurred at 19:23 Moscow time in the vicinity of the airfield Budyonnovsk, Stavropol Territory. The plane crashed during a planned training flight.

                Sorry for the pilot! Young Apprentice, probably. Maybe tomorrow we will find out the details.
                Everlasting memory soldier
            3. dyksi
              dyksi 29 February 2016 21: 30
              22
              Yes, the military-industrial complex will be completely privatized, for this they have already "laundered" Stouretkin and thrown into Rosstech. RSK MiG, Rossvertol, everything will be privatized and I think before the elections. Most of the shares of JSC Sukhoi belong not to the state, but to VEB, which bought them "for debts." This is where the question arises, what debts could Sukhoi have? Projects Sukhoi-Superjet, Su-34, Su-35, Su-30MK (MKI), T-50, these are tens of billions of green. Everything is very simple Now, this bank has big problems and the state is forced to pump billions into it, otherwise the whole JSC will be closed, with all the projects.
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              2. Baikonur
                Baikonur 29 February 2016 21: 45
                +3
                Quote: dyksi
                I think before the election.

                Because according to the latest statistics, EROS will gain far fewer votes! And pushing your own will become more difficult!
                1. ksan
                  ksan 29 February 2016 23: 25
                  +4
                  Because according to the latest statistics, EROS will gain far fewer votes! And pushing your own will become more difficult!
                  It’s surprising if it were different wink The party whose entire "authority" rests on the fact that it seems like Putin's + she (the party) organized a government of economic impotent + wild corruption among officials, most of them also Edrosov.
              3. weksha50
                weksha50 29 February 2016 21: 56
                +3
                Quote: dyksi
                does not belong to the state, but to VEB,



                I apologize, there’s no time to climb the Internet - but what is the state’s share in VEB’s share capital ??? Or also, as with Sberbank - the owner is again another FOREIGN Bank of Russia (Central Bank) ??? 50% + 1 share - and yours do not dance, the Fed commands ...
          2. weksha50
            weksha50 29 February 2016 21: 50
            +5
            Quote: Baikonur
            "Someone's" paw paddles under itself!



            Well, and whose paw is rowing for itself a defense (!!!) enterprise ???

            More precisely - WHO ALLOWS IT ALLOWED to repeatedly attempt to bankrupt the plant ???
            1. Pravdarm
              Pravdarm 29 February 2016 23: 06
              +2
              Quote: weksha50
              WHO ALLOWS HER

              So it is - Paw Paw washes !!! bully
          3. gorefest7777
            gorefest7777 1 March 2016 07: 14
            +1
            nothing ..... they’ve already started a new privatization ... Russian helicopters and the Uralvagonzavod .... instead of building new factories of the factory ... it’s better to dash in your pocket
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 29 February 2016 20: 45
          +8
          Quote: vovanpain
          Yes, and these jackals could also.The pigs ate there.

          Quote: Baikonur
          It cannot be now that such an enterprise simply goes bankrupt! Don't go to the 90s! "Someone's" paw paddles under itself!


          You, Vladimir, and you, Eugene, have hit the spot! 64% of the shares of the Kovrov Electromechanical Plant, which was set against the Kurganmashzavod, is held by the Federal Property Management Agency and Sberbank. Do you think that the office set to extract the maximum profit from the property of the state and the bank, which in general have some kind of infantry fighting vehicles, does it make any difference who to bankrupt — the most important defense plant or a broom company? I think that they are no different. The main thing is to bankrupt, to buy and sell for a penny, but already more expensive. Like Panikovsky. Money does not smell for them, under any government and under any occupiers, money remains money. therefore we have had 25 years of trouble alone - hucksters and their greed ...

          By the way. Our liberal economists are all screaming about investments, that there is nowhere without them ... So I took the list of shareholders of this Kovrov "raider" from the investment report, in which it is written in black and white that the participation of the state, and, moreover, entry into any defense holding is a serious obstacle to investment ... The hucksters do not want to invest in defense and that's it ... And the state guarantees they are not happy, and to invest purely on patriotism - so for them in general ha-ha ...

          Here they are, those who set the Kovrov plant on the Kurganmashzavod. Naturally, I mark the last line - these are minority shareholders, and they decided everything without them ....
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 29 February 2016 21: 08
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Here they are, those who set the Kovrov plant on the Kurganmashzavod.

            The Kovrov plant is actually part of Rostec, and this is a state corporation.
            1. avt
              avt 29 February 2016 22: 01
              +2
              Quote: Gray Brother
              The Kovrov plant is actually part of Rostec, and this is a state corporation.

              And it’s not easy with the leader not from the street. Maybe he takes the budget line for himself and picks up, well, the BMP topic.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 1 March 2016 00: 30
                12
                Quote: avt
                And it’s not easy with the leader not from the street. Maybe he takes the budget line for himself and picks up, well, the BMP topic.

                ... here everything is much more complicated ... it is worth remembering the bankruptcy of Volgograd Tractor Plant OJSC, which developed and put into service the BMD-2004 in 4, the first batch went to the troops in 2005, mass production ... and suddenly in 2006 year the plant went bankrupt ... in 2007 Kurganmashzavod issues a BMD-4M unified in units with the BMP-3, but no longer has anything to do with the BMD-4 except for the Bakhcha-U combat module, last year Kurganets a promising BMP and the plant begins to have problems, nothing reminds of the last 10 years of history with the bankruptcy of Volgograd Tractor Plant OJSC ?! ... but, if we add more than one-time attempts to bankrupt the Uralvagonzavod Corporation, in whose competence all the tank building of Russia is now ... then oil painting ... Comrades, this is a sabotage war ... well, now add to this, when did the first statement about the global rearmament of the army happen until 2020? ... right, in 2012 ... and then in 2014 we got a galloping maidan in Kiev ... with the result, minus:
                - Nikolaev slipway "0" at the former ChSZ with two cranes, albeit in the early 70s, but 2x900 tons = 1800 tons with a total carrying capacity, which made it possible for large-scale modular shipbuilding, which was done during the construction of Ulyanovsk ...
                - another crane on the block of large-capacity shipbuilding on the former "Ocean" in the same place in Nikolaev "1x900 t. ...
                - gas turbine engines "Zori" for our fleet ...
                - helicopter engines "Motor Sich" for helicopters ...
                - Design Bureau "Antonova" and all joint projects on transport aviation ...
                - "Yuzhmash" ... well, this is our "Voevoda" and many joint programs in Space ...
                ... but Partners did not have a problem ... minus 90% of the benefits from the acquisition of Ukraine ...
                - Crimea, a strategic outpost in the Black Sea ...
                - 90% of the industrial potential of Ukraine, Donbass ...
                ... in fact "Pirov's victory", and in the end they will get a "donut hole" ...
                . this is war guys, just war ... the lawsuit against the Kurganmashzavod is just Bolonka’s attempt to bite the Bulldog ... well, I’m not even going to comment about the Central Bank’s Fed branch robbing the Federal Property Management Agency ... this hospital is unambiguous, with heavy medication . hi
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 1 March 2016 01: 12
                  +7
                  Quote: Inok10
                  ... this is war guys, just war ...

                  ... and even WE did not retreat and did not wipe the yushka ...
                  - reconstruction of the Zvezdochka Shipbuilding and Ship Repair Center on the Far East with a double slipway "0" and a crane of 1200 tons, a span of 230 m. ... yes, time and costs, but alas ... Goodbye Nikolaev ...
                  - Rybinsk "Saturn" produces an initial batch of gas turbine engines at the end of 2016 ... a series since 2017 ... these are not analogues of "Zori", these are new engines with greater power and a greater resource by 20-30% ... Goodbye " Zorya "...
                  - JSC "Klimov" the whole range of engines for helicopters in the series ... Goodbye Motor Sich ...
                  - IL development "Ermak" ... honey agarics time and costs, but alas ... Goodbye "Antonov"
                  - Strategic Missile Forces "Rubezh", "Sarmat" at the exit this year ... Goodbye "Yuzhmash"
                  ... not yet, not yet ... We will still fight ... bully
                2. alexmach
                  alexmach 1 March 2016 05: 53
                  +2
                  - 90% of the industrial potential of Ukraine, Donbass ...


                  That you greatly greatly overestimated the industrial potential of the two areas.
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 29 February 2016 22: 12
              +5
              Quote: Gray Brother
              The Kovrov plant is actually part of Rostec, and this is a state corporation.



              Look at the comment above Zoldat_A and mine, and you will see that out of 100% of the share capital the state owns (if it belongs) 38% ...

              Does it have the right to dictate its terms to an enterprise - a joint-stock company? Nooo ...
              Moreover, such a thievish office as the Federal Property Management Agency acts from the state - what do you expect good from it ???

              PS Already the last state-owned corporations, as well as enterprises with state participation, are getting ready to go under the hammer, or as it is called in modern terms - to privatize ...

              We are not the 37th year ... A pity ...
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 1 March 2016 01: 52
                +4
                Quote: weksha50
                We are not the 37th year ... A pity ...
                Reply Quote Report Abuse

                ... it is very correctly noticed ... really not 37th by analogy, and the President also said about this ... at the moment, about 32-33th ... 37th is still ahead ... laughing
            3. gorefest7777
              gorefest7777 1 March 2016 07: 32
              0
              and now the stool is sitting in Rostec ...
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          3. alexmach
            alexmach 29 February 2016 21: 25
            +6
            Sberbank, Federal Property Management Agency and Obama, of course, they are to blame, no doubt. But how do you imagine in a system of market relations between business entities, and in a falling economy, could it be otherwise?

            It turns out that some state-owned companies bankrupt other state-owned companies. Something needs to be changed at the conservatory.
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 29 February 2016 22: 16
              +2
              Quote: alexmach
              Something needs to be changed at the conservatory.



              It is necessary to rewrite the score, not change the conservatory ... And the conductor’s job is to select the qualified staff of the orchestra and then manage its well-coordinated game ...

              And then there are some "Polovtsian Dances" performed by a village brass band ...
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 1 March 2016 05: 54
                +1
                To rewrite the score


                Are there composers among those present?
          4. weksha50
            weksha50 29 February 2016 22: 07
            0
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Here they are, those who set the Kovrov plant on the Kurganmashzavod


            DCC was liquidated at the end of September 2015 ...
            The rest is a trifle ...
            There remain Sberbank (where the founder is the Central Bank - well, everyone understands, right?) And the so-called citizens of Russia (well, not you and me and not the workers of the plant). "Citizens of Russia" even outweigh the amount of share capital by +0,34% ...

            In general, the Kovrov EMZ is controlled by anyone, but not the state of Russia ... Most likely, the same Fed ...

            It’s regrettable, annoying ... Yes, it’s not annoying, but much worse, you just can’t pick up such words ...
      2. Hon
        Hon 29 February 2016 19: 24
        -4
        Obama is to blame
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 29 February 2016 19: 40
          +7
          Obama could not do this. And our 6 column is easy.
          Surely someone from the picture above is involved in this.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 29 February 2016 21: 54
            +7
            Quote: Pereira
            Obama could not do this. And our 6 column is easy.
            Surely someone from the picture above is involved in this.

            Sixth column speak?
            Oh well....
            It looks more like the very first column.
            1. Wolverine
              Wolverine 29 February 2016 22: 41
              0
              Exactly +100500 ...
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 1 March 2016 02: 12
              0
              The first column is the support of the state.
        2. kapitan92
          kapitan92 29 February 2016 20: 59
          17
          [quote = Hon] Obama is to blame [/ quote
          African American here, which side ??? There are enough of your woodpeckers!
          City-forming enterprise. Shaft orders: State defense order, contracts for the supply of infantry fighting vehicles abroad, a funded program to upgrade previously released models - live, work, earn and rejoice.
          1. Redistribution of property (takeover).
          2. Systemic shortage of funds: the loan is taken to the head office. person, and financing goes through a "bunch" of intermediaries controlled by the "powers that be", as a result, KMZ has responsibilities for credit lines and systemic underfunding.
          3. "Work" of enemies through the 5th column and liberals.
          4. Foolishness, theft and incompetence of company managers.
          Something like this!
          - "What are you talking about. And where is the president looking?" - movie "Business People"
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      5. Aleksander
        Aleksander 29 February 2016 19: 59
        +7
        Quote: Athenogen
        It seems to me that the American "partners" have put their mean little hand to this.


        So Kurgan is Russia or not ?! Where STATEis he looking ?! What is happening? Theater of Nonsense!
        As the procession of ukronatsists in the Russian capital. Fuck ... !!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 February 2016 20: 53
          -9
          Russia is a big country and there’s a lot of gouging for work - you don’t see everyone.
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 29 February 2016 21: 00
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          So Kurgan is Russia or not ?! Where is the STATE looking ?! What is happening? Theater of Nonsense!

          And this is a private enterprise, not a state one. What do you want from the state?
          To feed her uncle businessmen with her boobs?
          Capitalism.
      6. demo
        demo 29 February 2016 20: 07
        +2
        Yes, we have our own, well-wishers, enough for the eyes.
      7. alexmach
        alexmach 29 February 2016 21: 19
        +3
        I doubt it, I think that our own coped. There is nothing to blame for all possible troubles "partners", otherwise you will become like the Ukrainians in whom Putin is personally to blame for all the problems.
      8. avt
        avt 29 February 2016 21: 58
        0
        Quote: Athenogen
        It seems to me that the American "partners" have put their mean little hand to this.

        Through Kovrov ?? Or maybe on the contrary - they squeeze the plant from an "effective owner" through bankruptcy proceedings with the appointment of external management? There can be both this and that direction. We need to be in the subject, well, to give a confident verdict.
      9. frei67
        frei67 29 February 2016 22: 35
        0
        at least get laid. no one will bankrupt him
      10. Theline
        Theline 1 March 2016 00: 56
        0
        How so?
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 29 February 2016 19: 22
      24
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???

      I would ask a different question. There are real problems at Kurganmashzavod OJSC or something is stirring around it (should the FSB connect to the issue of WHO?) To deprive the country of the only plant for the production of infantry fighting vehicles is not Khukhra Mukhra.
      1. Hon
        Hon 29 February 2016 19: 25
        -5
        Quote: Horst78
        Should the FSB get involved in the WHO question?

        Perhaps they have already been shared
        1. Res_Ullus
          Res_Ullus 29 February 2016 20: 54
          -2
          Well, if you talk like that, my friend, then in Russia we have nothing to catch. I do not agree.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 29 February 2016 21: 23
        +2
        Quote: Horst78
        . There are real problems at Kurganmashzavod OJSC or something is stirring around it

        Really a problem. Shops are not heated and debts are full.
        I hope that Rostec will take it under its wing. The Kovrov Electromechanical Plant is part of Rostec.
    3. Hon
      Hon 29 February 2016 19: 22
      10
      A few years ago, most defense enterprises were excluded from the strategic list, which made it possible to conduct bankruptcy proceedings in the usual manner. Not that strategic enterprises cannot be bankrupted, but the procedure is more complicated
    4. MASK
      MASK 29 February 2016 19: 22
      10
      They are trying to bankrupt our military-industrial complex, quietly ... "Ears" I think everyone understands where they grow from! This is not the first attempt, UVZ remember the same thing ... I feel the redhead is working!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 February 2016 19: 27
        -1
        And Red here and - he has Rusnano and a mountain of new problems.
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 29 February 2016 19: 35
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          he has Rusnano and a mountain of new problems.

          Here, BIG PROBLEMS as such MONEY squander.
        2. MASK
          MASK 29 February 2016 19: 47
          20
          Quote: Vadim237
          And Red here and - he has Rusnano and a mountain of new problems.

          Do you think he sits so quiet and modest in the nano corporation ... receives a salary and does not touch anyone ..? The cunning devil is red, he drinks blood from Russia and is very skillful ... Hate is terrible for us! And it’s not for nothing that he is here in Russia, like a bug grabbed ...
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 29 February 2016 22: 20
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          And Red here and - he has Rusnano and a mountain of new problems.



          Ginger has no problems ... This is the state treasury's problems with Ginger and his theft ...
      2. Hon
        Hon 29 February 2016 19: 28
        +3
        UVZ would go out of business if not for export, especially the Indian contract. And what is surprising when our state, instead of purchasing new tanks, simply modernizes the old ones, and takes on a cheap version of modernization.
    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 19: 24
      0
      The plant needs a large foreign contract for BMP, with a prepayment that would pay off its debts and re-equip with new equipment, otherwise it doesn’t draw on our orders.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 29 February 2016 19: 26
      +7
      Nekhilo, however. How can one become bankrupt with such support from the budget, especially the state defense order. This is how you need to poke?
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 February 2016 19: 38
        +5
        And today, our defense enterprises practically do not eat anything. With salaries - problems. But, they say that the money is allocated in full
      2. Hon
        Hon 29 February 2016 19: 46
        0
        What's the bigger order?
    7. Juborg
      Juborg 29 February 2016 19: 28
      +8
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???

      It is not clear at all what kind of "MTE Group" it is and who it represents. As it was recently rumored, this is some kind of community trying to bankrupt enterprises, like "black raiders" only in white gloves. Whom they represent is also unclear, one thing is clear that they are trying to destroy enterprises like the 90s and their financial support has roots almost from the Soros Foundation.
    8. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 29 February 2016 19: 29
      +4
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???

      It seems to me that just KEMZ wants to take Kurganmash for itself, that's all. what
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 29 February 2016 22: 25
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        It seems to me that just KEMZ wants to take Kurganmash for itself, that's all.



        Unification for state purposes somehow facilitates the management of orders, and the distribution of financial resources, and the implementation of these orders - this is one ...

        But the takeover of KEMZ, the owner of which is the devil knows who (see the balance of shareholders for Zoldata_a above) - this is completely different ...
    9. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 29 February 2016 19: 32
      12
      I don’t understand this. How can I file for bankruptcy if the plant is SECURED BY STATE ORDER BY 2020 !!! and money was personally allocated for him and stored on special accounts. One gets the impression that someone needs KMZ to collapse into oblivion like many plants in Kurgan itself. Therefore, enemies and competitors are trying to overwhelm it on its side ..
      1. alex86
        alex86 29 February 2016 19: 46
        10
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        How can one file for bankruptcy if the plant is SECURED BY STATE ORDER BY 2020

        We had a plant in Tatarstan for the processing of carcasses of dead animals - the cow died by her death, and where is it? - and he was in the republic alone. And the head of the district decided to clean the plant, the plant created a debt to the Electric Networks of 230 thousand rubles, the plant was declared bankrupt and put up for auction, the head was already rubbing his hands, but then Muscovites appeared, who bought up scrap metal throughout Russia for demolition there were more and they honestly bought and demolished the plant. The Republic has lost the factory, secured by orders FOREVER, since cows and pigs, and especially chicken, die periodically.
        Here, I think, the same story - someone put an eye on the plant ...
        1. VP
          VP 29 February 2016 21: 08
          +1
          No, this is a completely different situation.
          Do not worry, the plant will not be lost and the thieves will not get it)
      2. VP
        VP 29 February 2016 21: 07
        -1
        Above I wrote where the debts come from. These are VEB's debts in whose subsidiaries the plant is included.
      3. Wheel
        Wheel 29 February 2016 21: 59
        +2
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        money was allocated for him personally and stored on special accounts.

        That's exactly what is being stored.
        And enterprises, in order to fulfill those orders, are forced to take loans.
        % everybody knows...
    10. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 29 February 2016 20: 02
      +3
      what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???

      Yes, there is nothing unusual, it’s just that such jurisprudence in the country has developed that the company has a debt of over 500 thousand rubles. and it does not pay the debt, the creditor, in order to expedite the collection process, files a claim with the Arbitration Court to declare the debtor bankrupt. Itself so knocked out debts from the Tutaevsky motor plant, which makes engines for armored personnel carriers. So while there are no details there is nothing to worry about.
    11. opus
      opus 29 February 2016 20: 17
      13
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???

      - high level of debt and lack of qualified personnel. In 2008, 38% of defense enterprises were unprofitable, and 23% were on the verge of bankruptcy. Now the situation is not better, but even worse), and this with loans at 5% per annum
      -USA (despite the fact that their defense budget is almost two times higher than the total military costs of all European countries) invest in R&D 35% of the military budget, while in Europe this figure is about 20%. And we have?
      - Partial privatization of defense industry enterprises and the depression of 1991-1998 (After the collapse of the USSR, Russia inherited most of the Soviet defense heritage - up to 80%).
      what is left?
      artillery shells, aerial bombs, ammunition for the Navy and artillery gunpowder from 1992 completely ceased to produce!
      -Although in Russia fokay about 300 machine-tool enterprises remained, the industry actually stopped working: approximately $ 2008 billion was spent on the purchase of new machines in 1 and only 1% - in domestic. Russian industry buys up to 80% of imported machine tools in China - they are cheap, of poor quality, often used.

      The leaders of the defense industry are little interested in reducing costs, modernizing and significantly improving product quality.

      one of the most successful domestic defense joint stock companies PJSC Irkut Corporation ... CJSC Brunswick UBS Warburg Nominiz is the nominal holder of 25,76%, 10% of EADS?
      -In 1991-2008, arms exports brought Russia up to $ 100 billion ....
      Where are they?
      Specialists can still find track large Chinese and Indian contracts reporting some corporatized and therefore more open corporations, but billions of state defense orders go into a bureaucratic, corrupt swamp with almost no trace.
      It was not Russia that earned, but individuals
      Managers of arms manufacturing enterprises “share” with officials, with intermediaries, and with customers of the state defense order. But the cost price is shown as they want, which helps minimize income tax. Moreover, in fact, a significant part of the “new” weapons for export and on state defense orders is fully or partially collected from stocks of Soviet components, that is, such “manufacture” of it costs almost nothing.

      FSB: on suspicion of fraud detained deputy. General Director of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Barricades Yuri Gorbatkov and two shop managers. Investigators alleged that between 2008-2009 the defendant concluded fictitious agreements with one-day companies for the supply of components to the chassis of Topol M mobile missile systems. At the same time, there were no real deliveries of components - they were taken from the factory stocks, and the funds transferred to the one-day account were cashed and stolen.


      At the end of 2001, the head of the Accounts Chamber Sergei Stepashin unveiled the results of an arms trade analysis conducted by his department in 2000. It turned out that with total exports of $ 3,7 billion the state budget received directly only about 7 thousand dollars (226 thousand rubles) of income belay
      cool

      -------------
      somehow
    12. VP
      VP 29 February 2016 21: 02
      +6
      Bankruptcy does NOT mean closing a plant. Most often it means a change of ownership.
      Now KMZ belongs to the "Tractor Plants" concern. Which is owned by a Dutch firm.
      Which is managed by Vnesheconombank.
      Which had very big debts.
      The head of which has recently been dismissed from his post.
      It all stretches from there.
      And KMZ will most likely be handed over to some defense structure. He will not be lost.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 29 February 2016 21: 39
        +3
        But how did it happen that the Russian defense plant belongs to a Dutch company?
    13. alexmach
      alexmach 29 February 2016 21: 20
      +2
      And when the country "which is constantly at war" last time massively bought BMP?

      I guess back in the days of the union.
    14. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 29 February 2016 21: 39
      -1
      Kovrov Electromechanical Plant is also a defense enterprise. One gets the impression that this is an attempt to push the competitor away - defense enterprises are competing with each other, and sneaky tricks are also used.



      http://www.kemz.org/Varan_R.html
    15. EVPanov
      EVPanov 29 February 2016 21: 52
      0
      Yes, because these very enterprises do not belong to this very country ... they are PRIVATE ..
    16. sborka
      sborka 29 February 2016 22: 14
      +1
      and where are we fighting? moreover constantly? (We exclude Syria from the answer ...
    17. jaguar
      jaguar 29 February 2016 23: 55
      0
      This is now called the buzzword ... effective management is their mother am
    18. Felix
      Felix 1 March 2016 06: 45
      0
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      what the hell. how do defense enterprises go bankrupt in a country that is constantly fighting ???

      Most likely, the goal is to save the plant from "sticking" in the form of some kind of conversion production, which will only interfere now. Well, write off the debts.
      For the state, on the threshold of war, will not break what was saved with such difficulty.
  2. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 29 February 2016 19: 24
    +9
    It's somehow sad, all this! Blagonravov and Chernov, even, could not imagine that the pink-cheeked dolphins-liberals would ruin all the deeds of their lives! Let me dream today of the NKVD, "pests", PPSh submachine guns and blood on an expensive smartphone ... am
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 29 February 2016 19: 27
      +4
      And Red in a striped robe.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 29 February 2016 19: 35
        31
        Quote: Captive
        And Red in a striped robe.

        To feed this thief yet, I will repent a little. For a good deed, they would also chip in. hi
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 19: 30
      -1
      Moreover, there are liberals when the factory has few orders.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 29 February 2016 19: 43
        +8
        Vadim! Who are you for now ?! Have you been to this factory ?! And, I, in the 80s, took BMP-1 from Afgan, crumpled to the trash, with traces of blood in the troop compartment of object "765" and brought these vehicles to us to determine the location and nature of the hull and turret lesions, for further changes in R&D ...! I saw the production base of the plant, I saw officers in faded "Afghan" suits with military awards ... My God, how are we, the students envied them ... And when, you talk about the lack of orders, feel free to open the "Beginner Liberal's Handbook" in 3 volumes ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 February 2016 19: 57
          +2
          If the plant had the right quantities, it would have no debts and would not have been declared bankrupt, although there is not a word on the bank's official page about bankruptcy.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 29 February 2016 20: 30
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            If the plant had the right quantities, it would have no debts and would not have been declared bankrupt, although there is not a word on the bank's official page about bankruptcy.

            Well, if this is the situation, we need to take auditors and under the roof of the FSB and the Military Prosecutor’s Office do an audit of the plant’s finances - where, to whom, for what and to plant in full, plus to warn the regional leadership that the issue is being monitored at the very top and is not standing on ceremony will be ...
          2. lockout
            lockout 29 February 2016 22: 13
            +6
            The point is not the number of orders, but the malicious diversion of money allocated to the enterprise.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 February 2016 20: 19
          -3
          I must admit that such a healthy plant has rather scanty products - the main one is BMP, it could organize the production of a wide range of construction equipment, even the production of domestic automatic transmissions and everything else, but see the leadership as nothing but the production of mini tractors, loaders and infantry fighting vehicles not going to do and will not.
          1. onix757
            onix757 29 February 2016 20: 24
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            but the leadership is not going to be seen by anything other than the production of mini tractors, loaders and infantry fighting vehicles and will not.

            Will there be power? Who created this comical economy in which the real sector is collapsing? Or the state of the defense plant is the problem of the director of the plant
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 February 2016 20: 39
              +1
              Yes, the state of the defense plant is now a problem of the owner, namely the Tractor Plants concern to which OJSC Kurganmashzavod belongs, but our government is now on the hook - they will not issue loans - the army will be left without BMPs, so the owners do not have to strain about new production there will be - another roll of the plant to bankruptcy, the allocation of state funds to pay off debts, and then everything is smooth.
            2. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 29 February 2016 20: 43
              0
              Quote: onix757
              The state of the defense plant is the problem of the director of the plant?

              Of course not, this is his merit. wink
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  4. killganoff
    killganoff 29 February 2016 19: 25
    +4
    Money and nothing personal! They go bankrupt, write off debts from the assets of the enterprise, appoint a new leadership and again begin to work in a new way for the good of the state ... but with less capacity and without a part of qualified personnel. Most likely the new authorities are already definitely over.
  5. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 29 February 2016 19: 25
    +3
    Quote: Hon
    A few years ago, most defense enterprises were excluded from the strategic list, which made it possible to conduct bankruptcy proceedings in the usual manner. Not that strategic enterprises cannot be bankrupted, but the procedure is more complicated

    the only company in the Russian Federation that produces BMPs. is it that simple?
    1. Hon
      Hon 29 February 2016 19: 58
      +5
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      the only company in the Russian Federation that produces BMPs. is it that simple?

      Launching the procedure is relatively simple, three hundred thousand debt that is not repaid within three months, and you can apply. But often this procedure is used in order to get a financial respite. Start bankruptcy, which freezes payments on all debts except current. Bankruptcy is a long business, only the observation procedure is 18 months, during this time the company can settle accounts with creditors and complete the procedure by settlement. Perhaps in this way they simply save the enterprise
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 February 2016 20: 36
      0
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      is it that simple?

      quite simply, but for this case, the perpetrators may be shocked so that "Mama Do not Cry", because for the failure of a contract, especially a foreign one, they will not pat on the head, including the leadership of the region, because comrades from a cheerful company called RosOboronExport "they don't like to joke ...
      1. Hon
        Hon 29 February 2016 22: 10
        +1
        And what will they do? The enterprise itself is responsible for any failure of the contract; it bears the burden of fines and damages.
  6. grawizapa
    grawizapa 29 February 2016 19: 26
    +7
    This is a complete mess. Where the state looks, the government finally.
  7. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 29 February 2016 19: 26
    +4
    HERE .... I thought the 90s were behind, but it turns out there are restless ... The DEFENSE enterprise ... angry
  8. Dimontius
    Dimontius 29 February 2016 19: 26
    0
    Urgently intervene to the President with the Minister of Defense !!!! Are you kidding me to bankrupt such things ?? and so it is clear that a military enterprise at such a time must be supported, in addition 5000 employees to the street ??? And I’m embarrassed to ask, what did they get from the state defense order ??
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 19: 41
      -1
      The plant will be declared bankrupt, external management will be introduced - the plant will continue to operate, the government will provide the plant with a loan to pay off debts, and then gain profit and change the general director along with the old management.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 20: 09
      +1
      The plant currently has debts of 155 million rubles, and also billions of dollars from the Ministry of Defense for not fulfilling the defense order.
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        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 February 2016 21: 08
          -1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          The plant belongs to the "Tractor Enterprises" concern

          This is the case

          Quote: Mordvin 3
          and this same concern, as I understand it, belongs to VEB

          But I don’t understand this .. well, let's say it is so

          Quote: Vadim237
          The plant currently owes 155 of millions of rubles, and also to this billions of claims from the Ministry of Defense for failure to fulfill a defense order

          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Have bankers run out of money?

          Bankers need loot, not debt.

          That's all the explanation, IMHO
  9. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 29 February 2016 19: 29
    +5
    Yet another "effective manager".
    1. Fat
      Fat 1 March 2016 00: 12
      0
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Yet another "effective manager".

      However, This is about the MTE group http://www.mte.ru/ - this was refused. A new "entry" has started, and it is growing from the concern "Tractor Plants", which includes OJSC Kurganmashzavod. At the top are only "body movements" with a change in the leadership of "Kurganmash" http://kurgan.veved.ru/kurgan/kurgan-news/69734-zyat-mixalkova-vozglavit-kurganm
      ashzavod.html
  10. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 29 February 2016 19: 29
    +3
    Maybe it’s better to bankrupt Chubais! Something I do not understand BMP is no longer needed or what? Or Chubais us nanoBMP rivets?
  11. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 29 February 2016 19: 37
    0
    Maybe it is better to reduce the "liberals" and other "effective managers" hindering the fulfillment of the defense order to zero?
  12. HMR333
    HMR333 29 February 2016 19: 45
    0
    as far as I understand there, the dregs are such that they want bankruptcy recognition to write off debts and then re-start from scratch! perhaps the debts have been collected since the 90s, they are slowly paying off, but apparently the debt for the communal apartment is serious! Considering the current state order, the income obviously should go; many factors are unknown if anyone specifically knows what and how it would be nice to cut an article and then guessing on the coffee grounds is not very good!
    1. Ermak
      Ermak 1 March 2016 05: 32
      0
      Quote: HMR333
      as far as I understand there, the dregs are such that they want bankruptcy recognition to write off debts and then re-start from scratch! perhaps the debts have been collected since the 90s, they are slowly paying off, but apparently the debt for the communal apartment is serious! Considering the current state order, the income obviously should go; many factors are unknown if anyone specifically knows what and how it would be nice to cut an article and then guessing on the coffee grounds is not very good!

      In bankruptcy, property is sold !!!
  13. Antor
    Antor 29 February 2016 19: 48
    +6
    And that our Supreme Commander-in-Chief, the Minister of Defense and his general staff do not give a damn about it, or after bankruptcy it will again become clear that someone from very close associates bought cheaply.! ?? And it becomes interesting and even somehow uncomfortable to ask — and who thought of the only BMP plant in the country to withdraw from the strategic defense industry and make it at the level of a shed for the production of children's bicycles or something like that ..! ??
    BMP diverge like hotcakes and bankrupt it ..!? You can go crazy with such news !!
    I have more questions than answers, judging by what is happening and who benefits, one thing
    understandable and indisputable - the Tubaretkin’s business is in double bloom against Russia's defense capability!
    I think if you should look at the economics of UVZ properly, then this plant could well have gone bankrupt and here I think without FSB and TFR!
    1. lockout
      lockout 29 February 2016 22: 17
      +1
      Yes, the FSB and TFR weren’t done here ;-) I think comrades with cold hearts and burning pockets helped a lot to bring the enterprise to a pen.
  14. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 29 February 2016 19: 48
    10
    Kurganmashzavod is owned by the Tractor Plants concern, which is owned by MACHINERY & INDUSTRIAL GROUP NV, registered in the Netherlands.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 February 2016 21: 12
      +3
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      Kurganmashzavod is owned by the Tractor Plants concern, which is owned by MACHINERY & INDUSTRIAL GROUP NV, registered in the Netherlands.

      This company, in turn, is owned by VEB.
      1. Fat
        Fat 1 March 2016 00: 55
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        This company, in turn, is owned by VEB.

        Vnesheconombank is 100% owned by the Russian Federation. Chairman of the Supervisory Board - D. A. Medvedev, Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation. The Supervisory Board includes: I. I. Shuvalov, A. V. Dvorkovich, D. N. Kozak, A. V. Ulyukaev, A. G. Khloponin, A. R. Belousov, A. G. Siluanov, V. A Dmitriev.
        The Development Bank works to increase the competitiveness of the Russian economy, its diversification and stimulation of investment activities.
        Vnesheconombank is not a commercial bank; its activities are regulated by a special law No. 82-FZ "On the Development Bank", which came into force on June 4, 2007.
        VEB does not compete with commercial credit organizations and participates only in those projects that cannot receive financing from private investors. According to the memorandum on financial policy, Vnesheconombank provides loans, guarantees and sureties for projects whose payback period exceeds 5 years and the total value exceeds 2 billion rubles.
    2. Fat
      Fat 1 March 2016 00: 40
      0
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      Kurganmashzavod is owned by the Tractor Plants concern, which is owned by MACHINERY & INDUSTRIAL GROUP NV, registered in the Netherlands.

      Well yes. The whole guide, judging by the site is Russian people, official contacts in Moscow and Cheboksary. And it is completely incomprehensible who belongs to whom and whether it is not the same.
  15. onix757
    onix757 29 February 2016 19: 50
    +2
    The main thing is that the shadow of suspicion at the very top does not fall. The liberals in power are, as always, to blame, but the very, very near is about to repulse them.
  16. Cat man null
    Cat man null 29 February 2016 19: 54
    0
    But now I’ll say one stupid thing, maybe: wink

    - Tueva Hucha of defense enterprises inherited from the Union of the Russian Federation
    - which, we note, worked for the Army, which was ... well, much more than the current
    - and production was required - more, on unification (a buzzword is .. who does not know - in the search engine) stupidly sawed - forget the induction, give the production .. any, note
    - the plant produces BEHs and ARVs .. and this is good
    - How much per year does he produce them? Mysteriously ..
    - Are there enough of them in the troops now, and will there be enough repair kits to keep them 5 in working condition? More likely yes than no, right?
    - How are these BMPs aligned with the promising Armata? And NO ...

    Yes, by the way .. bankruptcy does not mean the physical liquidation of the enterprise ..

    DIXI. Sapienti sat wink
    1. onix757
      onix757 29 February 2016 19: 59
      +3
      The plant is one of a kind, currently produces horseradish with a gulkin nose. There is nothing to replace this enterprise. And as a rule, bankruptcy in our country means a procedure after which flea markets appear on the site of production buildings.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 29 February 2016 20: 24
        0
        Quote: onix757
        The plant is one of a kind currently producing horseradish yes with gulkin nose

        ABOUT! Glimpses ...

        Quote: onix757
        There is nothing to replace this enterprise

        Why change it? Reprofile .. to another platform, for example .. belay

        Quote: onix757
        And as a rule, bankruptcy in our country means the procedure after which flea markets appear on the site of production buildings

        Eo you remembered 90 .. now it just a little can turn around very differently yes

        And if you recall that

        Quote: Primus Pilus
        Kurganmashzavod belongs to the Tractor Plants concern owned by MACHINERY & INDUSTRIAL GROUP NV, a company registered in the Netherlands

        , maybe (my apologies for "maybe" - I just don't have such information myself, but there is no time to look for work tomorrow .. winked) - then the chain looms quite understandable:

        - change of ownership (slurred)
        - reprofiling

        PS: I'm optimid, yes fellow
        1. onix757
          onix757 29 February 2016 20: 32
          +6
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Quote: onix757
          The plant is one of a kind, currently produces horseradish with a gulkin nose
          ABOUT! Glimpses ...

          Is the director to blame? Or the state that handles the plant?
          Why change it? Reprofile .. to another platform, for example .. belay

          Which other? What are you talking about? The plant is paralyzed and they are not at all interested in other mythical platforms.
          Eo you remembered the 90s .. now it can turn out a little bit differently yes

          Well, why the 90s? List of destroyed industrial enterprises since the 2000s in the public domain. The picture is depressing.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 29 February 2016 20: 38
            -2
            onix757, I hold you for a clever person .. mechanics (maybe) are as follows:

            - bankrupt the plant, introduce external management
            - change the owner (I will not tell you how the Meeting of Shareholders works, okay?)
            - and the owner is there now .. strange, as the comrade said above Primus pilus
            - we begin to produce T-15 + repair kits for BEH - BREM

            Maybe? Yes, no, I don’t know?

            I'm talking about it exactly yes
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 29 February 2016 20: 50
              -1
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - bankrupt the plant, introduce external management
              - change the owner (I won’t tell you how the Meeting of Shareholders works, okay?)
              - and the owner is there now .. strange, as the Comrad Primus Pilus said above
              - we begin to produce T-15 + repair kits for BEH - BREM

              Maybe? Yes, no, I don’t know?

              I think so too. The same KEMZ has 40% of shares owned by Rostekhnolgiam. Most of all, the absolutely predictable set of members of the forum smiles, who constantly crawl out to such resonant noisy articles. smile
            2. kapitan92
              kapitan92 29 February 2016 22: 34
              +4
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              begin to produce T-15 + repair kits for BEH - BREM

              How do KMZ and T-15 fit together ??? T-15 UVZ, "Kurganets" is KMZ!
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 February 2016 20: 40
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      - How are these BMPs aligned with the promising Armata? And NO ...

      BMP is BMP, and Armata is a tank ... fool
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 29 February 2016 21: 22
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        BMP is BMP, and Armata is a tank ...

        Armatasweetheart this is a PLATFORM .. On which both the tank, and the BMP (T-15), and the ARVs, and much, much more ...

        fool
  17. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 29 February 2016 19: 55
    +4
    And it’s possible to swear dirty and filthy, but from the heart? Other than a fifteen-floor mat nothing gets into your head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  18. horoh
    horoh 29 February 2016 19: 56
    +1
    KZKT banged, the only plant in our country, now KMZ crush deb .... And the commander in chief with the Minister of Defense where ???? What is happening and who is already starting to hang on poles ...
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 February 2016 20: 01
    +4
    Putin then does not know.
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 29 February 2016 20: 30
      +2
      It's funny, however.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 29 February 2016 21: 51
        +1
        What exactly - that he does not know, or that he knows, but does nothing?
  20. Million
    Million 29 February 2016 20: 03
    +2
    Shame! No words! The country is surrounded, and the arms manufacturer go bankrupt!
  21. alfa19638
    alfa19638 29 February 2016 20: 05
    +7
    how this market economy went along with the snickering leadership - look at the people, Kolyma is crying for you !!!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 29 February 2016 20: 42
      +2
      Quote: alfa19638
      Kolyma cries for you !!!

      for most shooting threes ...
  22. onix757
    onix757 29 February 2016 20: 10
    +2
    In such an environment, factory workers are not up to the feats of labor. Apathy, complete absence in perspective.
  23. onix757
    onix757 29 February 2016 20: 12
    0
    The economy of the absurd! Judge and destroy those who forge the country's defense shield. Apparently the gentlemen became a shield in burden.
  24. Igor V
    Igor V 29 February 2016 20: 15
    +3
    Now the economic system is such that it is possible to bankrupt any more or less serious plant that has worked for several years. Over the years, such interest accrues for loans taken as working capital that the company cannot pay them, except for fixed assets. It is difficult to raise the price of products for this amount, because work under contracts, and if there are still foreign analogues issued in other banking conditions, then it is impossible. Thus, they eliminated, for example, a large number of pulp and paper industry plants that have a dual purpose (in a special period, they were easily reconstructed to produce gunpowder). As for pulp and paper industry, environmentalists also pawed, despite the fact that bleaching of cellulose has long been chlorine-free.
  25. Gardamir
    Gardamir 29 February 2016 20: 17
    +3
    It's funny to read the comments. It turns out that Chubais is responsible for everything in the country.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 29 February 2016 20: 22
      +4
      Quote: Gardamir
      It turns out that Chubais is responsible for everything in the country.

      it is more a collective image of a sort of economist / manager / liberal than a real / red-headed character ...
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 29 February 2016 20: 31
      +1
      For what else Putin with the BEAR and the LEGISLATORS.
  26. AlexTires
    AlexTires 29 February 2016 20: 20
    0
    If the enterprises that are part of the military-industrial complex do not pay for mutual supplies and services, then corruption and theft have done their job.
  27. Chukcha
    Chukcha 29 February 2016 20: 33
    +1
    The amount of debt is so ridiculous (51 million rubles) that I did not even flinch.
    Moreover, the plaintiff (“MTE Group”) owns less than half - 21,5 million rubles.
    Enterprise-wide numbers are ridiculous.
    I believe that everything will be fine.
  28. Bakht
    Bakht 29 February 2016 20: 35
    +3
    Enlighten the foolish ...

    The plant has only 50 million debts. It seems that such a figure was announced. The portfolio is filled with the State Defense Order until 2020. It is not Chubais who will bankrupt him, but the gentlemen from Gazprom. As I heard (I could be wrong). But if so, then GazProm is not a private shop either. Requires the royal "TSYTS".

    Academician Krylov gave a good example in his memoirs. How to protect state interests. When in 1914 the bank wanted to bankrupt ROPiT (Russian Society of Shipping and Trade), then

    ... Adjutant General N.D. Nilov (flag-captain of the tsar), it was he who rescued society. The board explained to him that the bank was up to. Nilov reported this to the tsar. The king called Finance Minister Bark and ordered him to say “tsyts” to the chairman of the bank P.
    This "tsyts" was so impressive that a few days later P. came to Molchanov and asked to rewrite all the shares in the name of Molchanov. ROPiT was saved.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 20: 50
      -1
      The figure there will be more than 50 million, add to it billions of dollars from the MO.
  29. romashki74
    romashki74 29 February 2016 20: 36
    +2
    SPECIAL OPERATION! Only whose .....
    1. Fat
      Fat 1 March 2016 01: 06
      -1
      Quote: romashki74
      SPECIAL OPERATION! Only whose .....

      Russian ... to remove the robbers from the means of production without mass executions.
  30. asiat_61
    asiat_61 29 February 2016 20: 42
    +3
    All is said, and there is nothing to add. Glory to Putin ?!
  31. Vladimir57
    Vladimir57 29 February 2016 20: 49
    +4
    All involved on the bridge ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 29 February 2016 22: 49
      +5
      All involved are in the Kremlin. and this clown is needed for the fifth column in the Kremlin to switch arrows.
  32. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 February 2016 20: 51
    +1
    But is it not time to attract the Prosecutor General’s office there, and to figure out how money is spent on a defense enterprise, financed at the expense of the state and plus money to all earned on exporting products, and which of the officials is personally responsible for this. Where is Rogozin looking, also to me the deputy prime minister for defense, have you really survived out of your mind?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 February 2016 21: 03
      0
      Rogozin does not have a thousand eyes to watch all the defense plants, he comes to him to show everything, tell how everything is fine with them, and how he leaves, the fairy tale begins in the old way.
  33. vadoc
    vadoc 29 February 2016 21: 35
    0
    It's a shame, damn it ... They carry out one task, and they are biting each other. Only Shoigu began to raise our army and with it the defense ...
  34. DPN
    DPN 29 February 2016 21: 42
    +1
    So the factories of the USSR collapsed, and now it seems like it is VERY MUCH interesting to someone, and where and what the FSB is doing. Of course, if it's not a duck.
    But in general, capitalism knows its job, that we wanted it and got it.
  35. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 29 February 2016 21: 44
    0
    Quote: Athenogen
    It seems to me that the American "partners" have put their mean little hand to this.

    In this case, the Americans have nothing to do with it. This MTE group loudly declares that it is reviving the machine tool industry in the Russian Federation, but in fact, they import machines from the Czech Republic, put their nameplates like "Made in Russia" and sell them to enterprises in Russia under the tune of the state order. So, apparently, Kurganmashzavod bought their machines, but did not completely pay them off. So this is another effective manager who deftly rolls around on the defense order! And such rubbish in Russia every day! Yes, even more efficient ones were allowed to take over the helm of state defense corporations, and the defense industry budget was exhausted! They should be driven away with a nasty broom from budget money and defense orders, until the "partners" start laughing! am If they are so effective, then why can’t they create their own enterprises, but climb into state corporations ?! Yes, because they are actually ordinary graffiti hiding behind beautiful and correct phrases for the banal theft of budget money! angry
  36. weksha50
    weksha50 29 February 2016 21: 48
    +3
    That's what to put this news - plus or minus ???

    Or say so - how to express your reaction without a mat ???

    And today we have addressed both the Duma and the government, and some others who have spoken out, and, obviously, a little and in vain ...
    We are letting off steam here, but some nits are slowly derailing the defense industry, and together with it the state ...

    Mlyn, where is the State DuRRRa, President, Prime Minister and Government ???

    No matter how respectful I am to GDP, I want to ask point-blank and with an anguish in my voice: how long will this mess under your nose be going on ??? There is not enough power in the hands to shut up all this lewdness with their decrees ??? Who needs to be "reset" to the point that no pants are left ... I'm not talking about more extreme measures, but in such cases they are acceptable ...

    Your mother, a factory supplying the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and working for export, is bankrupt !!! The chicken, which is supposed to lay golden eggs, is calmly prepared for slaughter ...

    Ugh !!! I have no words...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 01: 00
      -2
      Yes, you can not worry about the bankruptcy of Kurganmashzavod at all, it will continue to work as it did, and the debts will be paid off for it.
  37. atamankko
    atamankko 29 February 2016 22: 33
    +1
    Well, at least the government will bring order to the defense industry, or is it also not able to?
  38. Gunther
    Gunther 29 February 2016 22: 40
    +2
    weksha50, once chance, two chance, three - regularity. The Ministry of Finance is looking for where to scrape 3 mln greenery (at a predatory interest), the Central Bank in November-December 2015 will tumble into the pendoshkan economy at a meager percentage of 10.1bn dollars (equivalent to the planned state expenditures on supporting the Russian economy for the entire 2016), such at first glance the theater of the absurd.
    If you evaluate the events as a whole - the ruin of the VMZ, the attempt to bankrupt the Kurganmashzavod, the dancing of the Nanai boys performed by the Central Bank (the Ministry of Finance, etc.), the external management in the executive authorities (I agree with the deputy E. Fedorov), then you involuntarily come to the sad to the conclusion, either Putin doesn’t have real control levers or everything suits him (including the result of predatory privatization and the privatizers themselves).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 March 2016 01: 04
      -3
      Quotes of American stocks a day are great jumping - you can earn a decent profit there - if it makes a profit that does not invest.
  39. boris117
    boris117 29 February 2016 22: 41
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    Something needs to be changed at the conservatory

    The conductor of this conservatory is probably behind the hill. That feeling.
  40. boris117
    boris117 29 February 2016 22: 50
    +2
    In general, some kind of wildness. The defense plant, and where does the corporation is unclear who controlled. The state defense plant and not one scum of a finger has the right to touch it. If the director is unusable, change the point. The initiative may come from the Secretary of Defense. In general, all these plants should be located under the wing of the Ministry of Defense and be credited at a zero rate. And no private bastard could come close to him. Some nonsense is a bankrupt defense plant. Our system is rotten in the bud. All captured by filthy businessmen. No honor, no conscience, one belly is insatiable.
    1. 1rl141
      1rl141 29 February 2016 23: 53
      +2
      We had one project, at the Samara Aluminum Plant. In the 55th workshop, we did automation for the aluminum cutting line. 3 months we worked there. So that's the point.
      This plant was bought, probably for a penny, by Deripaska. And he sold this plant to the Americans. The Alcoa firm. And now the Americans are running in full growth there. And what was it not clear to us how there are secret defense workshops belonging to Russia on the territory of the American plant?
      There is a 180-ton press at this plant, with the help of which an all-metal capsule was squeezed out for the spacecraft on which Gagarin flew. The only press in the world. Now it belongs to the Americans.
      The management of the plant is entirely English-speaking.
      As the engineers of the plant said, these geese do not poke into the workshops that work for the defense industry, and they seem to have nothing against, but they do all sorts of petty nasty things.
      Slippery sticks are inserted into the wheels.
      In the old days, who could have thought of such a thing? For some thoughts, such would have been put to the wall.
    2. Fat
      Fat 1 March 2016 01: 24
      0
      Quote: boris117
      In general, some kind of wildness. The defense plant, and where does the corporation is unclear who controlled. The state defense plant and not one scum of a finger has the right to touch it. If the director is unusable, change the point. The initiative may come from the Secretary of Defense. In general, all these plants should be located under the wing of the Ministry of Defense and be credited at a zero rate. And no private bastard could come close to him. Some nonsense is a bankrupt defense plant. Our system is rotten in the bud. All captured by filthy businessmen. No honor, no conscience, one belly is insatiable.

      IMHO Unfortunately "Kurganmashzavod" is a joint-stock company, and an open one. It is possible to remove the "bad business executive" from the management only by a meeting of shareholders, if it did not work out, bankrupt the plant and take control into our own hands. Bankruptcy is a formal thing, but it implies a bankruptcy commissioner ... The plant, as it was in the hands of the state, will remain and will continue to produce the products necessary for the country's defense.
  41. Gunther
    Gunther 29 February 2016 23: 05
    +2
    Quote: boris117
    .... Our system is rotten in the bud. All captured by filthy businessmen. No honor, no conscience, one belly is insatiable.

    Not our system, this demonic system was imposed on us by demons like the red-haired Pasyuk and the Marked Consensus, under the guise of "democratic reforms."
  42. user3970
    user3970 29 February 2016 23: 08
    +1
    The Tambov organized crime group - is Vova Putin?
  43. Kachesgm
    Kachesgm 29 February 2016 23: 40
    +2
    I'm wondering. And how are our partners doing with such plants? How many went bankrupt? There are generally statistics on the closure or opening of new ones around the world and in a single country. In the United States, over 2000 real factories and enterprises closed in the 60000s. We are not the only ones who ruin the real sector ...
  44. cte-power
    cte-power 29 February 2016 23: 51
    0
    bankrupt and then release the pan to produce? Razou already was / that's enough
    such a factory I can and can work without profit
    for defense
  45. Gardener91
    Gardener91 1 March 2016 00: 17
    -3
    Yes, complete x-y. I do not believe who needs it. Nationalize the concern entirely, yes, but why such stuffing?
  46. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 1 March 2016 01: 34
    +2
    Guys don't have to get excited. This is how half of the country lives with us. They sign contracts, and then they don’t pay, the money goes around in trading houses, and the enterprises barely drag their legs. But when the creditors go to court, they receive writ of execution, but they don’t have any money, then they go with a declaration of bankruptcy. This is where the enterprise, the debtor, seeks funds and pays out money during the bankruptcy process and repays the debt (moreover, 90 percent of what the creditor should get about it in our Plenum of the Supreme Arbitration Court is written in detail), and the trick is that interest and penalties these enterprises do not pay, but use strangers' money. Interest is not paid because, in the amount of 300 rubles. to recognize the debtor bankrupt, these percentages are not included (only debt). I’ve been working as a lawyer for 000 years. I know this whole kitchen ... no one will go bankrupt, it’s just that the people who sit there are in the manual and they rule and saw themselves little by little.
    1. Nikolayev
      Nikolayev 1 March 2016 05: 40
      0
      May be!
  47. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 March 2016 03: 17
    +2
    We owe it, cannot pay the debt / yet / that's all the bankruptcy. The legislation is fucking awful, the "redhead" cut off the electricity at strategic objects, and these are bankrupt a military plant. Enemy hand everywhere !!!
  48. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 1 March 2016 04: 02
    0
    Quote: Athenogen

    It seems to me that the American "partners" have put their mean little hand to this.

    I believe that American accomplices in the Russian government had a hand in it.
  49. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 1 March 2016 04: 32
    +2
    It is time to nationalize the military factories in Russia and begin executions of the stealing officials. In China, thieves are shooting and the country is only good. It’s enough to recall Miller, Chubais, Gref, Neradko, Romodanovsky, Yevgeny Ivanovich Shapashnikov (thief and false communist), the head of Russian Railways Yakunin, whose department was so stealing that Russia became a unique country in which rail transportation allegedly became more expensive than road transport, which is not in any country in the world and cannot be. The entire leadership of Russian Railways can be safely put to the wall, his guilt is more than obvious.
  50. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 1 March 2016 04: 33
    0
    I understand that the "Kurganmashzavod" Deripaska does not belong - and therefore it is necessary that he went bankrupt. The request to ukrop saboteurs not to write me down for this. laughing