Chinese zrada: Beijing was not impressed by the Ukrainian version of the Silk Road and sent freight trains to Germany through Russian territory

China turned out to be clearly not impressed with the Silk Road route, which Ukraine offered Celestial Ukraine about a month ago. Recall that the Kiev authorities decided to send a "demo version" of a train from Ukraine to China, bypassing the Russian Federation. The route from the Odessa region ran through two seas (Black and Caspian), and the movement of the train only to the border of Kazakhstan and China lasted for 16 days.

Official Beijing responded by sending another Zhengzhou-Hamburg freight train through the territory of Russia and without using the territory of Ukraine decided to demonstrate that the Ukrainian version is not an option at all ...

It should be noted that the freight train, which left today from Zhengzhou (Henan Province), is a “jubilee” - 200. Since July 2013, such trains have been systematically delivering goods from China to Europe through the territory of Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus. The total length of the route is 10214 km, and the train travels this distance in 14-15 days. Since the summer of the 2013 of the year, over the Silk Road version of the railway, more than 8,4 thousand containers have been transported to Western Europe from various Chinese provinces. Reports about it Xinhua.

The organizers of the movement of the train carrying goods through the territory of Russia are a Chinese company. Zhengzhou International Land Port Development and German company Construction co jointly with DB Schenker.

The route through Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus, experts say, is about a third cheaper than the option that Kiev was going to offer. Moreover, the Zhengzhou-Hamburg train does not need to overcome water obstacles by loading onto ferries, which saves time in overcoming the route.

Comments

[Pravdarm]

Wide open slots from ukrohitropopoposti! (the train then arrived 16 (!) days to the border with China and Ukraine said take it yourself, fuck as you want!) We realized that you won’t cook porridge with them!

[Michael67]

I don't seem to scoff ... Chinese, prudent comrades. They have "nothing personal, business". And yet it's nice that the svidomye are trying to make a mess of us, but they are shitting themselves. Nehru to break prices! Morons, bl ... db.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Michael67

But all the same it’s nice that the Svidomo wipe themselves, as if to spoil us, but to spoil ourselves.

The behavior of today's Ukrainians is reminiscent of the well-known prison proverb. How to interpret it softer, otherwise I'll get a ban .. In general, "steal a man's penis and hide it in his anus." Sounds shorter and brighter in the original The point is that, due to their innate greed and cunning, Ukrainians constantly lower themselves. By golly, they are funny ..

[Rostov Papa]

Get out of your mind !!! They have a viking!

[cniza]

Quote: Michael67

I don't seem to scoff ... Chinese, prudent comrades. They have "nothing personal, business". And yet it's nice that the svidomye are trying to make a mess of us, but they are shitting themselves. Nehru to break prices! Morons, bl ... db.

The next time they will propose to dig a tunnel bypassing Russia, that is, under Russia.

[Bersaglieri]

Yeah, directly, along the chord: "Kiev-Beijing" :)

[Ivan Ivanov]

Digging a tunnel under Russia to China is not difficult for Ukraine. If they dug the Black Sea with shovels, and now they still have some kind of equipment.

[skeptic]

Quote: cniza

The next time they will propose to dig a tunnel bypassing Russia, that is, under Russia.

Well, I do not!!! Trains will be allowed to go or not, and palm off explosives - in their spirit.

Bypass, bypass. AND FAR FROM RUSSIA.

[From Tver]

It sounded more interesting like this: the container train "Zaporozhets" or "Zapadenets".

[73bor]

Along the way, flew through the air through a scythe!

[Alexander_]

Interesting topic. Does the airspace above countries belong to countries, but is it no longer higher?

[Alex20042004]

Ukrainian policy towards Russia - "Neighbor, let me eat, otherwise I have nothing to shit at your door."
(By and large, some dill allocated money for this event, while others sawed this money among themselves. It's not so simple here. As a result, dragging a bean in your pockets.)

[KaraBumer]

For Ukrainians it is not important how, where and why, the main thing is that "Bypassing Russia!"

[Major Yurik]

Yes, hohlopechechka came out again! There were no even two or three de.bills worth 1 billion.300 million Chinese people who wished to launch a train from dill to China through another hemisphere of the Earth! But the Ukrainians of this good, at least export, do not take Duc, troublesome with them.

[Darkmor]

Well, this and the Hedgehog was understandable - the path with 2 sea ferries, by definition, will be longer and more expensive than land. And everyone was talking about this even before the train started.
Just a Hedgehog, a very smart animal, unlike Ukrainians - if something does not work in theory, he will not experiment in practice.
A Ukrainian, if a rake looms in the plan, he will definitely check it - what if it’s some other rake that doesn’t hit you in the face if you step on it.

I'm not talking about the fact that Ukraine itself is now a zone of increased risk - and even assuming that a convenient and cheap transport route can be made through them, there are no guarantees that some activists will not block this commodity in the port with a request to give a pen, or that a grenade from an RPG will not fly into the side of this goods at the next maydaun.
Ukrainians, finally understand - the Chinese will carry their goods through the Russian Federation not because of great love for us, but because of the persistent smell of carrion from you.
Even if the road through the cemetery suddenly turns out to be shorter and cheaper.

[marl]

Quote: Darkmor

there are no guarantees - that some activists will not block this commodity in the port with a request to gilt the pen, or that a grenade from an RPG will not fly into the side of this commodity during the next maydown.

... or they will not plunder it corny even before the beep and departure.

[Lelek]

Quote: Major Yurik

But the Ukrainians of this good, at least export, do not take Duc, troublesome with them.

But "Happiness" is the most "secret". Well, this is for a long time, if not forever.
They poured blood, burned, tortured their compatriots allegedly for a better life. They achieved salaries of 150-200 dollars and sho ...? Then came the declaration of the Ukrainian woman Yaga with a scythe:
(cry.)

[kotvov]

even here they managed to steal, Lady Yu. from her lady, like a bear rabbit.

[PSih2097]

Quote: kotvov

even here they managed to steal, Lady Yu. from her lady, like a bear rabbit.

C'mon, after plastics, I even started to look like some ice ...

[Avantageur]

Quote: Ami du peuple

In general, "steal the male penis and hide it in your anus"

A desire that is clearly unworthy of a man ...

Quote: Ami du peuple

The point is that, due to their innate greed and cunning, Ukrainians constantly lower themselves

Why are you so beloved yourself, exhausting you ?!

[marl]

Quote: Michael67

Chinese, prudent comrades. They have "nothing personal, business".

What unexpected news, but it seemed that the change was so close! And someone seriously believed that the pragmatic Chinese would stir up this farce - a serious business with a rope-Ukraine?! ...
Even if the path through Russia was one and a half times longer, I think that China would have chosen it anyway, because the main thing for the Chinese is reliability in fulfilling their obligations. Russia has no equal in this, probably all over the world. No matter how anyone applies to us, everyone knows that we are fulfilling our obligations, no matter what it costs us (but probably in vain). Even if the train goes off the rails, the Russians will drag it in its arms to its destination.

[Aleks.Antonov]

I completely agree with you. But what’s interesting is the price. I am now in Karaganda on business, but it so happened that I need to be in Moscow on Monday. He began to punch routes. And it turns out: reserved seat - 10700 p., Coupe - 15000 p. while it will be necessary to shake 2,5 days only to Moscow, and then back again. Airplane - 6000 r. One problem is getting up early. Departure at six in the morning.
If Russian Railways pursues the same policy in freight traffic, it will soon be easier and cheaper to deliver goods from China to Europe using Ruslan and An-225. Well, or across three seas and a bunch of countries :) but apart from Russia.

[marl]

Quote: Aleks.Antonov

If Russian Railways pursues the same policy in freight transportation, it will soon be easier and cheaper to deliver goods from China to Europe using Ruslan and An-225

It is clear that tariffs differ by type of transportation - passenger, freight, postal, etc., respectively, and pricing in each group has its own characteristics. The price is initially laid down in the contracts of carriage, probably this is the subject of fierce bargaining, with the Chinese, then for sure. Knowledgeable people say that they are very complex negotiators, they will not miss their benefit, which is absolutely true))

[Archon]

And how do the Chinese switch to the Russian rut and vice versa?

[kil 31]

Chinese zrada: Beijing was not impressed by the Ukrainian version of the Silk Road and sent freight trains to Germany through Russian territory

The title sounds twofold. As I read, I thought that they sent the Ukrainian staff to Germany for scrap.

[Inok10]

Quote: keel 31

The title sounds twofold. As I read, I thought that they sent the Ukrainian staff to Germany for scrap.

... the Chinese themselves would have disposed of ... mdya, the khan of the great dill-vyshivankovsky way ...

[Thrall]

The engine that could

[Tra-ta-ta]

In a circle, in the subject:

[Civil]

China was clearly not impressed with the Silk Road route that Ukraine suggested the Middle Kingdom about a month ago.

Indignant at all why China went for it. However, China has long left the news of television, so not everything is so smooth.

[Maxom75]

We also have nothing to roam on our laurels, we need to work to reduce the time and bring them up to 8 days. We are too used to chewing snot for a long time in our Russian Railways. I myself ordered a container and wagons so you kill the day until you beg. Even when issuing documents, they will talk to you through the lip and try to come without any sweets or flowers, you will not issue anything. And about the fees for forms, seals and loading plans in general I am silent. To load a container, you need to go through training at Russian Railways and get a crust. Do I need this at all? I pay money, and you rush for this money - in a word, gobble up! Now we are going to build the Moscow-Kazan expressway, is it needed? I remember the calculations filed. so the payback period at the rate of 32 rubles. for the buck was 80 years old! And with the current course, this is Eternity! If something and build a novelty which no one has MAGLEV. Exactly what Musk offers, but not only the passenger option, but the cargo one as well. If the delivery time falls from 16 days to 14 hours, China will send everything through the Russian Federation and we will pay for the construction in several years in full. And we will improve transport accessibility to the population throughout the country. And how can it be possible to increase food exports to the Middle Kingdom, I generally keep quiet, at times. Namely, there are so many mouths in China that they could receive money from the sale of oil, or even more.

[Arbogast]

Chinese zrada: Beijing was not impressed by the Ukrainian version of the Silk Road and sent freight trains to Germany through Russian territory

The article is a clear outline, since the Silk Road project itself is largely an initiative of Beijing.

According to Igbal Huseynov, deputy director of Azerbaijan Railways, up to 54 million tons of cargo per year can go through the Trans-Caspian route. By 2020 this year, up to 300 – 400 thousand containers could be delivered to Turkey and Europe, he said at a conference in Odessa in early December.
The impetus for the development of infrastructure projects was given by the ambitious concept of the Silk Road Economic Belt, formulated by President Xi Jinping in September 2013 during his tour of Central Asia.
For the development of infrastructure projects on the initiative of China, the Silk Road Fund was established with a volume of $ 40 billion, co-founders of which were the Central Bank of China, other state banks and state corporations.
At the same time, Russia has been losing China economic competition in Central Asia for several years now. The volume of bilateral trade between China and Central Asian countries amounted to $ 2013 billion in 50,3, and $ 2014 billion in 46 amid the economic slowdown. Last year, Beijing approved the allocation of an investment package of $ 30 billion to Astana, Tashkent received $ 15- billionth transaction, total economic assistance to Kyrgyzstan amounted to $ 3 billion
The volume of Russian investments in the region in 2013 – 2014 was only $ 15 billion, and the volume of trade, according to the Federal State Statistics Service and the Federal Customs Service, was $ 30,5 billion in 2013 and $ 27,8 billion in 2014.
“In the event that the main Silk Road branch runs through Russian territory through Orenburg or Chelyabinsk, the rest of the Trans-Siberian Railway and the BAM will remain unused. Most of the transit payments will be received by Kazakhstan ”- say IMEMO experts.

In general, China is prepared for losses at the initial stage.

According to Li Gang, an employee of the Institute for European Studies of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, rail transport between China and Europe will not be commercially profitable for at least the next three to four years. Until now, this mega-project has been a “one-man theater” for Beijing, but the Silk Road is a long-term strategy for China, ”said Li Gang. According to him, the potential of China’s railway connection with Europe is huge, since relations between China and the EU are "entering a golden era."
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[vodolaz]

The Chinese consider time and money, not like comrades who have only two colors of paint in the country: blue and yellow.

[Gomel]

it was said from the very beginning

4 customs two sea ferries .... and only to the border with China 16 days ... and there are even more 3 thousand kilometers ... shorter than 14 days from Zhengzhou by train through the Russian Federation, this saves almost 6 days on the Ukrainian route (excluding other risks) since from the border of Kazakhstan to Zhengzhou - 3050 km (in a straight line ...) we divide 3 thousands by 60 km / hour we get 2,1 days, we take into account the bends of the pass and delay path (this is a freight train, passes all) we get 3 days, and this is in addition to those xnumx .... actually xnumx days. This is of course much faster than the sea (up to 16 days), but there are definitely more nerves :))), and especially with jumpers

[pine tree]

And why is it great to invent!

[Vadim237]

The new Asian triangle on the disappearance of Ukrainian goods and trains.

[ramzes1776]

Well, that kirdyk has come to the "great" Ukrop Silk Road Nothing more to add)

[Alexez]

In vain it looks like the ancient proto-drafes dug so many seas on the earth ...)

[Engineer]

Dug up the Black Sea - now reap

[Vladimirets]

"The route through Kazakhstan, Russia and Belarus, as experts say, is about a third cheaper than the option that Kiev was going to offer."

Ah, these Chinese could support Svidomo. Just think, a third, they could have paid extra, the Maidan is above all.

[marshes]

At the expense of the Ukrainian train, the route through Kazakhstan was painfully interesting, because the containers at Dostyk station were empty. The "strange" movement was convenient for the customers of Ukrainian industrial products for Kazakhstan. These are transformers, electric motors, etc. ...
If the goods were really intended for China, then the composition would go along the high-speed south branch.

[Scoun]

Quote: marshes

If the goods were really intended for China, then the composition would go along the high-speed south branch.

If it's short.
If Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus have a common understanding of the EurAsEC, then the composition has gone as it should.

[marshes]

Quote: Scoun

If Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus have a common understanding of EurAsEC,

EurAZ EU or whatever it has been abolished a long time ago, there is the EAEU.
And the squad went for demonstration purposes, taking into account how he stole goods for Kazakhstan and for no more than two days he was on the border with China.
Another thing is the restriction of road transport and railway communication with Ukraine. Here, trucks with Turkish goods got stuck on Upper Lars, it was through Baku. And there are textiles, profiles, components for car assembly enterprises, etc.
So there’s a lot to do through the ferry. But Iran also offered us a branch to Turkey and the opportunity to build a sea terminal in the Persian Gulf, we have one in China, although we thought we’ll build it near Vladivostok. And in Novorossiysk, constantly some kind of problems pop up like this same as Ust Luga. Star EAEU.

[SSR]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Scoun

If Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus have a common understanding of EurAsEC,

EurAZ EU or whatever it has been abolished a long time ago, there is the EAEU.
And the squad went for demonstration purposes, taking into account how he stole goods for Kazakhstan and for no more than two days he was on the border with China.
Another thing is the restriction of road transport and railway communication with Ukraine. Here, trucks with Turkish goods got stuck on Upper Lars, it was through Baku. And there are textiles, profiles, components for car assembly enterprises, etc.
So there’s a lot to do through the ferry. But Iran also offered us a branch to Turkey and the opportunity to build a sea terminal in the Persian Gulf, we have one in China, although we thought we’ll build it near Vladivostok. And in Novorossiysk, constantly some kind of problems pop up like this same as Ust Luga. Star EAEU.

Novorossiysk say really overloaded. (((

[marshes]

Quote from S.S.R.

Novorossiysk is said to be really overloaded. (

Yeah, when the grain came from Kazakhstan and this year you have a good grain harvest, you’ve found some kind of disease, well, they would have stopped at the border at the port itself.
So all the same, the alternative will be in Poti, the war of 8 years, through the fault of the Georgians broke plans.
And so in Batum our port and in Romania, Konstatsiya ..... trees "poor" KAZAKH.
It’s necessary to conduct business with the mind, rather than cheating on a partner.

[marshes]

I’ll add, Old Man robs containers with meal, people for 40 pieces of Baku are pali. Not ethnic Kazakhs, we respect Toyota and Lexus, the same Russians, Germans, Belarusians.

[Full name]

And what to send directly to Kazakhstan with a train with "transformers, electric motors" at Nezalezhala pennies , only on occasion? And when will customers in Kazakhstan expect the next "convenient" delivery of products, in a month or two with the conductors of a passenger train?

[Bulrumeb]

Beijing was not impressed by the Ukrainian version of the Silk Road and sent a freight train to Germany via Russian territory

Beijing would have been impressed by the obvious foolishness, the Chinese, unlike banderlogs, are able to count their money. These banderlogs live by the principle: Let my shed burn down, if only the cow died from a neighbor.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Bulrumeb

Beijing was not impressed by the Ukrainian version of the Silk Road and sent a freight train to Germany via Russian territory

Beijing would have been impressed by the obvious foolishness, the Chinese, unlike banderlogs, are able to count their money. These banderlogs live by the principle: Let my shed burn down, if only the cow died from a neighbor.

May our cow, dream-dreams not die, where is your deliciousness kakhlyatskaya dreams of those bright ones, sit down and grovel, what would you ... the ax on the teapot did not land for a long time? Flying across the sky ... unreasonable. Leave us alone, parasites, what bolt have you stuck? In Poland already, to relatives, go ahead, savages, I would like to see you up to a heap with Germans, Poles, Dutchmen, Belgians and so on. Flemings well, it's clear where. There is also enough impudence about the "great dill" to say, but what are you, in general? They forgot about Makar with calves, so it won't be long.

[tomcat117]

I am afraid that in this story with cargo transportation, Poland did not say its word. Denying Ukraine, the traditional Russian foe comes into play, which, like Ukrainians, will cut the European branch on which they themselves sit.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: tomcat117

I am afraid that in this story with cargo transportation, Poland did not say its word. By refusing Ukraine, Russia's traditional foe comes into play,

This is probably the case when Poland’s hands will be tied a little. Because, besides itself, it will be a bit of a bitch to Germany, Belorussia and Kazakhstan, but Russia will succeed to the heap.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

What can I say, among the Chinese, the brain works as intended - not like the inhabitants of a quasi-country.

[Lemon1972]

Well, it was immediately clear that there were no bridges across the seas, and ferries were not an option at all.

[MASK]

Kiev will now impose sanctions against China ..)))) (and here they were thrown again)

[Eustace]

Ukrainians broke off with their anti-Russian policy. Economics should be dealt with, not politicking for the sake of the West.

[uragan114]

Quote: Eustace

Ukrainians broke off with their anti-Russian policy. Economics should be dealt with, not politicking for the sake of the West.

[Armored optimist]

The Chinese are able to count money. Only through Russian territory can cargo be transported with one loading in China and unloading in Europe. Other routes require 2-4 transshipments, which is time and money.

[Masya masya]

Present Ukraine itself is not an option at all ...

[Siberian]

What garbage! My parents loved to go to the Black Sea in the summer when I was a schoolgirl. Once the train was late for more than a day. We puffed on the train for 5 days. And it's okay, but there is something to remember. And then the goods were only half a month old - and to China itself. Let them drive. But we will envy black-prechery envy.

[Nord2015]

Nothing personal just business.

[Black Colonel]

I’m thinking, how do such train formations cross the border of the former USSR? After all, the European gauge of wheelsets and the Russian are different (which at one time negatively affected the speed of advance of the Wehrmacht troops on the territory of the USSR in 1941)

[x587x]

They lift the cars on the lifts and roll the carriages. The passenger train was changed in 2 hours.

[kagorta]

Replacing wheelsets is quick). They are changed simply, but not loaded into other cars.

[Siberian]

On the border with China, it is being overloaded; they seem to have more wagons. When customs cleared, the Chinese came with a delivery (for example, a wagon and a container), but a damn pile of all kinds of papers were also re-sealed. And from us they drove the forest there, while they made out extra. permission to receive with quarantine objects (for the forest - these are pests that are almost impossible to eradicate - silkworms are from us), apparently, they quickly process them or poison them with chemistry.

[dchegrinec]

It is very easy to profuse authority, but it is very difficult to earn! Ukraine has done the impossible for itself in terms of a "reliable partner," and it is almost impossible to get out of this pit.

[izya top]

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[afrikanez]

Well, the Chinese, too, well done, found a pancake with whom to do business it seems that Chinese entrepreneurs do not watch TV and do not read newspapers and the Internet, they also do not.

[soroKING]

A small village. A detachment of pigs armed to the teeth quickly approaches her. The pork commander threatensly asks the first stunned peasant oncoming:

- There are Ukrainians in the village ?!

[chunga-changa]

10214 km ... in 14-15 days.

10214/14 ~ 730km / day 730/24 ~ 31km / hour
Honestly, it’s not particularly impressive either. The average speed of freight traffic in Russia is 37-45 km / h, and here it’s even less, although in theory they should be given a green wave.

[Papapg]

Any curve is shorter than a straight line passing through Ukraine, for planes, by the way, too.

[North]

and why were the laity rejoiced? dodged around? well, like this

"The organizers of the movement of the train transporting goods through the territory of Russia are the Chinese company Zhengzhou International Land Port Development and the German company Construction Co together with DB Schenker."

tobish use once again.

[forester]

There is such a brain disease when a person does not remember what he did yesterday or even said. Ukrainians without exception suffer from it. They began to build the wall - they abandoned it, opened the Silk Road - a week later they forgot about it and so on. The main thing for them is to cut the ribbon, to boast in front of the whole world, to hammer on its population that it is overpowering, to cut the money and calm down. Oh yes, I forgot. If that doesn’t work, but nothing happens, blame Russia for everything. Well, jump on the road.

[Shark Lover]

what is it? And zrada? Translate. And then got confused already.

[Stinger]

The answer will be. Hto ne jump, that Chinese.

[avg-mgn]

I sincerely sympathize with the people of China. Swell without fat from hunger. By the way, the price of fat in the non-profit is growing like a grebe in Pripyat.

[triglav]

Well, the Chinese are not fools: they choose what is simpler and cheaper. And this is normal.

[xam0]

What kind of optimist should be in order to conduct any business with Ukrainians. Theft there is now in the first place.

[Captain nemo]

China was clearly not impressed with the Silk Road route that Ukraine suggested the Middle Kingdom about a month ago.

A little bit wrong with this story, its beginning arose.
Not this year did the idea of ​​a "silk road" emerge, through Ukraine, but at least in 2013, even under Yanukovych.
If you read the news of December 2013, then it turns out that that month Yanukovych traveled to Kazakhstan, well, being an "agent of the Kremlin", he vilified Russia in every way. Maidan we can already make noise there, but no one has yet promised him 15 lards from Russia.
Digging deeper, this path is more likely an invention of China and Kazakhstan. We are the first competitors in the Far East, and China would very much like cargo from Asia and Latin America to go not through the Transsib, but through China. Kazakhstan itself develops its railway network, and it is beneficial for them that the "Silk Road" would cross the whole country from East to West, and not through half the country to Russia, which is connected with investments from China for Kazakhstani oil and gas in China. And other things that I do not understand well and therefore do not remember.
The very path through Ukraine is not impressive either. He could only go through Ilyichevsk, and if he didn’t go to Poland and East Germany, then very soon it turned out that through Romania, and then there was nothing in the kilometer, just one outlet for Ukraine, to cut down the money on changing wheels under the Eurocollar 1435mm, well, or reloading containers in eurocars.

[marshes]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Digging deeper, this path is more likely an invention of China and Kazakhstan. We are the first competitors in the Far East, and China would very much like cargo from Asia and Latin America to go not through the Transsib, but through China. Kazakhstan itself develops its railway network, and it is beneficial for them that the "Silk Road" would cross the whole country from East to West, and not through half the country to Russia, which is connected with investments from China for Kazakhstani oil and gas in China. And other things that I do not understand well and therefore do not remember.

In general, they counted on access to the Crimea, here China's investments and Kazakhstan’s energy resources. Construction of deep-water ports, for LNG, grain, oil and container transportation. This topic was two or three years ago on Echo, and you cut it for nothing described ... Damn forgot the name of an economist, by the way yours. Still before any Maidan.

[Captain nemo]

Quote: marshes

.Construction of deep-sea ports, for LNG, grain, oil and container transportation.

Well, I don’t know who it might need LNG 2-3 years ago in Ukraine. China bought up oil and gas in the bud, and the Kazakhs and Turkmens from here have warm relations with them too, such as giving one of our ports on the Pacific coast to Kazakhstan.

[marshes]

Quote: Captain Nemo

Well, I don’t know who it might need LNG there in Ukraine 2-3 years ago

After all, they bought it, and at the gas stations ROMAPETROIL, it belongs to KAZMUNAIGAS, it was.

Quote: Captain Nemo

China bought up oil and gas in the bud, and the Kazakhs and Turkmens from here have warm relations with them too, such as giving one of our ports on the Pacific coast to Kazakhstan.

Well, not all of them bought 30% from the force, and on the coast the ports are NORMAL, like people have, cooperation. For what reason, what people think is cooperation is domination.

[Siberia 9444]

Well, now we’ll put our entire cancer movement for the sake of skipping this train. Our bandwidth is poor. If which train gets behind him all the others or let on the wrong track but this is to the detriment of oncoming traffic. Well, what about the bad, we will hope that everything will be fine and we will earn money.

[volodimer]

I read the previous comments, yeah, crap 404th, because we also live in the ass. If you look at the map, then why drive trains from Vladivostok to Khabarovsk, and then to Chita, it is economically more advantageous to directly cut ... The CER was built long ago, but you can straighten it a bit further south, from Chinese ports and with access to Kazakhstan. .. Here you have a new silk road ... Russian Railways wanted to make the Trans-Korean railway to let the train flow from the South Caucasus through the Russian Federation, but with the current realities, all the goods passed us ...

[thinker]

For clarity, what are we talking about.

[Kasym]

This is via DOSTIK station, and there is a new one, through KHORGOS (whale-kaz shopping center was muddied there.). Our products can be sold there directly to the Chinese.

[question]

So, you need to run a high-speed railroad! And there is no need to laugh at the Ukrainians, a little better themselves. Only 200 compounds?!? More passes through Kirov in a day!

[marshes]

Quote: question

So, you need to run a high-speed railway.

It's interesting, after passing the Kazakh border, the Chinese trains "languish" for a couple of days outside Saratov, they probably carry out X-ray scans. The fact that it goes to Duisburg to Klaipeda.

[volodimer]

It is necessary for Russian Railways to stop thinking in terms of profitability, since this part of the state railway is a strategic defense. Transportation on it can be unprofitable, but if you chase after money, then you can prosrait the country.

[marshes]

Quote: volodimer

for Russian Railways to stop thinking in terms of profitability

Russian Railways is very expensive! With passenger or freight traffic, it’s not enough to see a coal storage

[Aleks76]

The New Silk Road is a railway route from the Dalian port on the Yellow Sea through Manchuria to Zabaykalsk, then along the Trans-Siberian Railway to the Vorsino station in the Kaluga Region and further to European countries. Compared with the sea route, the new route halves the time of transportation of goods and reduces the cost of their delivery, the press service of the Government of the Kaluga Region said.

- The first container train left the Chinese port of Dalian on January 27, and arrived at the Freight Village Vorsino complex on February 5, having covered more than 7,5 thousand kilometers in 9 days and 5 hours.

[volodimer]

This is the CER, which was built with a fork in Vladivostok and on the Liaodong Peninsula, i.e. to Dalian (Far) and Port Arthur. The Chinese do not even need to invent anything, the Russian Empire did this route at the beginning of the last century.

[Awaz]

I completely agree, the most direct route from Berlin to Beijing, or Dalian, is via the transib via Mongolia or the CER and so on. It is even faster than through Astana. But at one time, China and the Russian Federation could not agree on good things, and the Chinese also built a road to the Kazakhs. Now they’re trying to use it. But through the Kazakhs, it goes for kilometers longer and for kilometers and in general for the quality of these same roads. Kazakhs have very low throughput and the speed of movement is even lower than in the Russian Federation.

[marshes]

Quote: AwaZ

the Chinese also built a road to the Kazakhs

It was, the funniest thing is that after 69 on the Kazakh side, it was dismantled and restored in the 90th.

Quote: AwaZ

. But through the Kazakhs for any longer it comes out in kilometers and in general in the quality of these same roads. Kazakhs have very low throughput and the speed of movement is even lower than in the Russian Federation.

We have updated the roads for a long time, plus electrified. And we have built many new railway sections. Even through Turkmenistan and Iran to the Persian Gulf, we built a new route, not counting logistics centers and points of change of a pair of wheels.

[Kasym]

Awaz. Through the Far East (Far East) is a thousand km longer. (see the map of the THINKER, all industrial zones of China are located south of Beijing: Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc.). And the entire infrastructure has been built (from changing pairs to roads: 2500 km. Of new railways) - so you’ve gone too far about the capacity and quality of roads. At least in Central Asia, at least in Iran, at least to the north and west. I’ll say more: work is underway on high-speed. Oh, how long in Russia they decide everything. Your train at the Far East is constantly clogged - received cargo through the port of Vostochny, up to a month. sometimes a container stood there. And let the Vostochny Cosmodrome go and that’s all, that's why we are talking about BAM-2.
The Chinese will try all the routes anyway. After straining with the United States in the Strait of Malacca, they are determined. Why is everything - because the capacity of all railway routes (through the Far East, Mongolia and Kazakhstan) is not enough to replace the sea route through the Strait of Malacca ?!
At the end of this or next year, we will start the autobahn from China to the west - but what about your road from the Far East !? It seems that the GDP even drove yellow Zhiguli along it - whether it was launched or not.

[atamankko]

If you want to ruin the matter, entrust the Ukrainians.

[mr.grin19z]

if the train drove to Ukraine from it there would be no wheels left everyone would be pulled away and then the Russians would say it

[marshes]

Quote: mr.grin19z

if the train drove to Ukraine from it there would be no wheels left everyone would be pulled away and then the Russians would say it

And before that there were good consumers of liquefied petroleum gas, propane-butane, from Kazakhstan. And how many compounds with phosphoric and sulfuric acid went through Ukraine. It remains to remember. And this is money to the Budget of Kazakhstan, and customs duties in the EAEU, payments of social services. benefits, etc. And strangely fewer "bearded men" and so noted religious extremism directly depends on the social well-being of the population.

[Seal]

Yes, this has already been going on for several years. And not the second one. And not even a third.

On October 28, 2011, the launch of the new Saule (“Sun”) train took place along the route Chongqing (China) - Dostyk (Kazakhstan) - Klaipeda (Lithuania) - Antwerp (Belgium). The total distance is 11 thousand km.

http://www.rzd-partner.ru/interviews/comments/371563/
But, as I said in the thread about the Caspian-Persian canal, we need a new high-speed railway with an increased gauge. Preferably 3,0 to 3,5 meters. Together with the Chinese, we will completely build it in 10 years.
All calculations for the construction of such a road in Europe were made by the Germans in 1940-1945.

[VeterS]

If for the Chinese the delivery of goods would be cheaper by train along the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, then they would have taken along this route. Nothing personal comrades Medvedev and Yaytsenyuk - only business.

[Awaz]

Speedway is needed throughout. otherwise it’s all garbage. initially there was a good plan: the expressway from Berlin to Kiev further to Moscow, then through Kazan to Alma Ata and already there the Chinese themselves go wherever they want. But unfortunately, everything went wrong due to Ukrainians. Well, and partly because of the Russian Railways.

[Arbogast]

Quote: AwaZ

But unfortunately, everything went wrong due to Ukrainians. Well, and partly because of the Russian Railways.

Yeah because of the xoxlov And who is blocking transit with the Poles? Who is throwing tomatoes with Turkey? Does Borjomi overlap with Georgians? The Russian Federation already has a "long history".
They write that many TNCs that have entered with investments in Russia have had their risk managers fired, who did not calculate KrymNash and other actions of the Kremlin.
China and the EU must understand the potential threats to mutual trade and have alternate routes. The "Silk Road" around Russia makes it possible to minimize possible negative scenarios.
In addition, Beijing's actions repeat the Kremlin's actions to bypass Ukraine in gas transit. And the Silk Way is an analogue of the Nord Stream .. .

[marshes]

Countryman, yes coolies to explain. Do not overstrain. Do not appreciate. They will appreciate it as "ours" on Lechs, Maybachs and Bentleys, the entire population of Kazakhstan will ride, but then there is a problem, malicious envy is on display .. In Novosibirsk, they burned Q-7, envy.

[Awaz]

Arbogast. I'll tell you what. No one forbids transit to the Poles. an interesting approach is obtained. everyone has the right to protect their market and their manufacturers, all except Russia. The Poles messed up too much and they were offered a completely adequate and not at all prejudice to them transit varin, but subject to certain rules that would protect the Russian market. those rhinestones twitched. Although I know that apart from this there were jambs from the Russian authorities, but they are not so critical. Georgians really are to blame for all problems only themselves. Turks in general ... No one hid that they partially supplied food from Europe, which was sanctioned. No one invited the Turks to fight with the Russian Federation in Syria. They would have led an adequate policy regarding the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria and helped to fight with bandits, everything would be fine. You could even apologize for the downed plane. So they shot him down over foreign territory. But they themselves wanted it. Balts ... there’s nothing to even comment on. They are doing everything possible so that the Russian Federation would build ports on its coasts and stop any kind of commercial activity with them.
All actions of the Russian Federation are responding to provocations and outright hostile policies or, as with Poland, smuggling.

[Aaleks1974]

To whom do you explain that the Turks, that the Kazakhs, will always stick a knife in the back. In our city, there are a lot of refugees from Kazakhstan, so I don’t believe in nonsense about "friendship" with Kazakhs.

[ashat2906]

you lied to you and you can see more than once, there is also from Russia here, and I already heard about a knife in the back

[INF]

are the Chinese company Zhengzhou International Land Port Development and the German company Construction Co together with DB Schenker

The second time to cross out!

[SAA]

And Shaw Europe is silent. But what about the diversification of everything. They must put forward to the Chinese the requirement of mandatory inclusion in the route list of the territory of Ukraine and Poland. They are trying with gas, even with railway.

[Alex Nick]

And I personally care: What the hell is Kazakhstan doing here?

[ashat2906]

Nothing personal just business

[Evil 55]

Terrible flea comrades miscalculated quite a bit ... just a couple of million "Chinese" dollars from the train ... which is LITTLE for UKRALINA, but for the Chinese, food for a city of three million people for a month ..

[kig]

Who is the author of this opus? Swim fine, comrade. Well, Ukrainians tried it, but it didn’t work out as they wanted, and what of this? We do not succeed either. For example, there was a container train Nakhodka-Brest not so long ago with the goal of showing the shortest route from Asia to Europe. However, the cargo owners were not impressed and continue, such radishes, to send container ships through the Suez Canal.

[Volga Cossack]

come on you - Putin is all to blame - personally put the wheels in the wheel !!!! and then Zrada Zradnaya !!!)))))

[nivander]

chinese woman

[kvapu1976]

Great Ukrainians dug the Black Sea and poured the Caucasus Mountains, which is worth their fucking descendants to tear down the Caucasus and pave a direct path to the east. The only question is who would allow them to.

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

As an option I just wanted to suggest that the ancestors of the "ukropitheks" should dig a tunnel under the seas, and build a railway there. And what? Once the sea has been dug, the tunnel is just one spit.

[msm]

It is not clear why our route is only “a third” cheaper than the Ukrainian one, although in Ukrainian it means sailing across two seas? Is our railway very greedy?

[silent]

China is China, if Ukraine wants to chase its tail, then let it chase. They themselves chose their path to NOWHERE!

[Alex20042004]

Fear and hatred in... the Verkhovna Rada ;)

[Denis Skiff]

this gang is playing. Well, let people feel at the helm)))

[misterwulf]

I offer them (with a mandatory stop in Kakland, otherwise, what kind of transit?), then to the Balkans and Istanbul. No crossings! Next: Turkey, ISIS, Jabhat Al-Nusra, Iran, Taliban, Turkmenbashi, Fergana and Chui valleys, Kazakhstan, border with China... This is more creative! And not a single crossing!

[Kupez4]

Yeah! Ukrainian stupidity did not impress the Chinese.

[Old old]

By the way, Lavrov’s words about “on topic” again!

[Grandson of Veteran]

Quote: Pravdarm

The slits opened wide from the ukrochitroposti!

I am touched by the ability of my compatriots to sum up all events as “ugly ass”. Just business, guys. The Chinese tried it, but it didn’t work. They will go along the well-worn path - PRC - RF - EU. AND THAT'S ALL! Just business, baby, nothing personal))

[svetlanadudka]

Another bummer of the idiotic ukrovlast

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

decided to demonstrate that the Ukrainian option is not an option at all...

That's right, it's very much in the spirit of the Chinese to demonstrate silently. Well done! My applause! That's right, why talk to idiots? They nodded their heads, said “holoso”... and did it their way! And the nerves are intact, as they say... and everything is “cold”