Kazakhstan will supply Jordan tanks T-72KZ

The head of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan during the visit to Jordan concluded an agreement on the sale of modernized tanks T-72KZ Shygys, reports Military Informant with reference to informburo.kz.

“The signed agreement will develop cooperation between the armed forces and the military industry of both countries,” the message says.

“T-72KZ, which is very close in terms of the modernization scheme to the well-known Georgian variant T-72-SIM-I, but outwardly distinguished by the installation of characteristic Israeli packages of additional combined protection on the tower and the upper frontal part,” writes the publication.

“The latest messages about the tank on the Internet date back to September 2015 of the year. The developers of the machine were the national company "Research Institute" Kazakhstan Engineering "in conjunction with" Kazakhstan ASELSAN Engineering "(the latter, apparently, is a joint venture with the Turkish company ASELSAN). It was reported that the weight of the machine is 42 tons . ", - noted on the resource forum" Military Parity ".

According to informburo.kz, “new fire control, new modern means of communication have been introduced into the new tank”.

“The tank also has an improved TISAS fire control system with Israeli-made thermal imaging sights, a tank information and control system, a GPS-based navigation system and a Tadiran radio station,” the Kazakh edition adds.

No data on the adoption of the Shygys tank in service could be found.

Comments

[Ami du peuple]

No data on the adoption of the Shygys tank in service could be found.

There is a photograph. What else do you need?
I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary. Comrades Kazakhs and Kazakh-speaking people, can anyone explain what it means? There is "shytysu" - a disagreement. In principle, a normal name for a military vehicle.
That's just given to me that this is an analogue of the Ukrainian "Oplot" for Thailand.

[Baikonur]

Che, too, did not understand such a "duck"
Yes, and "some bells and whistles!" :

-power diesel engine 840 hp
“In the new tank they introduced duplicated fire control and new modern means of communication.”
- An advanced TISAS fire control system with Israeli-made thermal imaging sights, a tank information and control system,
GPS-based navigation system and Tadiran radio
the national company "NII" Kazakhstan Engineering "together with" Kazakhstan ASELSAN Engineering "(the latter, apparently, is a joint venture with the Turkish company ASELSAN).
The latest tank reports on the Internet date back to September 2015.

UVZ in shock!
By the way, if you look at the tower, you can clearly see that the painted cardboard has been crammed, it will not turn around !!! Damn, if only they did it normally!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Baikonur

Che, too, did not understand such a "duck"

This is not a "duck" but a "wedge"
Well, okay, they’ve blinded from what they could and will be. On the ride.
Tea is not a Chinese plow collection!

[Temples]

Tea is not a Chinese plow collection!

Chinese tea is very good.
But the Kazakh tank is something !!!
Great tank empire !!!
How many engineers of tank builders gave birth to Kazakh land !!!
How many factories have been built !!!
How many armies of the world are grateful to the Kazakhs for this heroic work!
Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Temples

Chinese tea is very good.

For myself, yes. Otherwise, they will shoot. And for sale ... Well, everyone is up to date on Chinese consumer goods.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, they make modern, strong equipment for sale .. Otherwise they won’t buy it .. You live all in Chinese down jackets! This is bad to underestimate the neighbors, so you can stay in the backyard .. swallow dust ..

[Thrall]

What kind of "shygys" on the basis of Soviet weapons are made all over the world

[Mig-31]

Where did you see the Kazakh tank? This is a Soviet tank actually.

[rasputin17]

And where did you see Kazakhs not selling the last remnants of Soviet weapons to anyone just to fill their own pockets and us "" for everyone !!! It's a shame for the Kazakh people that they are ruled not by principles, but by tribal and zhuz foundations that are cleverly managed by mediocrity and embezzlers !!

[Қarabas]

to rasputin17
Nonsense. Kazakhstan did not sell to anyone, they confused it with some other state of the former USSR. And shit on everyone - this is also not about us.
Kazakhstan is slowly establishing a tank-building industry

[rasputin17]

Kazakhstan is slowly establishing a tank-building industry

Can you hear yourself Which tank building industry? Based on what? Kustanai Tractor Plant ??

[Қarabas]

Quote: rasputin17

Can you hear yourself Which tank building industry? Based on what? Kustanai Tractor Plant ?? laughing

Moscow was not built right away - this is your answer. Walking will overpower the road, but ours still go, and do not stand still and this is good

[rasputin17]

Where are they going ??? You broaden these Kazakh show-offs and think about how many factories and factories were really saved after the collapse of the USSR !! ONLY in Almaty, out of pride of the Kazakh SSR, there is not a single factory and factory !!

[Қarabas]

After the collapse of the USSR, plants and factories were closed everywhere on its territory, not only here, so you’ll give up. And now there is a restoration of much that was then lost. Everywhere, not only with us.
Look at least what factory now sews costumes in Almaty: http://glasman.kz/

Not everything is as you would like to see, rasputin17

[rasputin17]

Look at least what factory now sews costumes in Almaty: http://glasman.kz/

Speak costumes !!! That's good!! There will be something to go on that !! And what to go on and what will the whole industry look like ?? we’ll open one factory and we will promote it as an industrial revolution !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Speak costumes !!!

I made a couple of custom-made suits, official ones, and they sewed them in Almaty, and we also made Oxfords.
I’ll make a reservation right away, I don’t have a lot of things, only a fifth of the closet shared with my wife takes up.

[Қarabas]

I don’t need it yet, but if Che, I already know where I will take it made in Kazakhstan

[marshes]

Quote: karabas

I don’t need it yet, but if Che, I already know where I will take it made in KZ

Not long ago, a chic floor coat was sewn from an overcoat, cut-offs were given to my father, and not expensive for 20 pieces in total. In Baku, this is ridiculous now.

[Cherdak]

Quote: karabas

Not everything is as you would like to see

SW Karabas

such information confuses here: Among the CIS countries that are not members of the CSTO, the expert noted Ukraine. Thus, the modernization of the production facilities of Semey Engineering JSC, which began in 2011, together with Ukrainian partners, made it possible to carry out a full-fledged repair of T-72 tanks.

I wouldn’t want to see this. Ukrainian Euroclads and their production are destroying and pulling you. And you have another 650 T-72Bs on the balance there

[Talgat]

T-72 is not a new tank - the veteran has served his good job. Therefore, it’s okay if you sell abroad. And then Kazakhstan will be able to purchase newer equipment in Russia.

The country, an ally of Russia, will receive money and get rid of old technology. The CSTO's defense capability does not suffer - therefore, it is wrong to say that they are allegedly "selling off the legacy"

And the fact that they are modernizing before the sale is nothing bad either for us or for Russia either. Jobs are being created - at least we are doing something.
Do not laugh in vain - Kazakhstan does not pretend to be a "great tank-building power"

And the joint venture with Israel and other countries, and in general the military technical cooperation of Kazakhstan Engineering and gaining access to a number of foreign technologies in general, also does not harm anyone -

what if tomorrow something needs to be looked at or rechecked by Russian gunsmiths? - Russia itself is under sanctions, and foreign technologies will be next to us in KZ - "at hand"

[Rostov]

Quote: Talgat

Do not laugh in vain - Kazakhstan

I’ll take it a little out of context, but you are absolutely right. You read the statements of some individuals and really start to believe in Internet trolls. And all the Russians and Belarusians are not like that, Kazakhs are stirring something up, etc. etc., about the Jews generally keep silent. But these writers are completely violent.
ps Allocated 10 days for vacation, went to Armenia and Georgia. The reception is gorgeous, treating both your own. And in Tbilisi, questions were struck - but precisely from Russia, and not from Ukraine? And when they found out that they were from Rostov, they almost became relatives.
ps.s. if it works out, it’s torn to you and Azerbaijan in the summer, because it’s better to see with your own eyes, to hear with your own ears, than to look at the media on the Internet and the Internet.

[igorka357]

Kazakhstan is my Motherland, and you know what I will advise you, you should not go to the city of my youth, Alma-Ata, or other large cities of Kazakhstan, where of course they will tell you "hello, help yourself!" I will advise you to go to villages and auls, see how they live there, and what is their attitude towards the Russians, I immediately say ... carefully, they can throw a stone! I will tell all Kazakhs right away, I was born in Alma-Ata, grew up in the Sayak village not far from Balkhash, so I know what I say, and I remember very well how the Russians survived! And now the Russian allies, yes, yes, you will also start selling your 72ki ukram if they offer you dough, the Russian allies have no other than the army and navy, only we Russians are the last to understand this, the Ukrainians are out there before the brothers were a pancake!

[Қarabas]

Igor 357, there will be an opportunity, especially in the village. Sayak driving away. Interesting)

[igorka357]

It was necessary to drive in the 89th there!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Rostov

. Allocated 10 days for vacation, went to Armenia and Georgia. The reception is gorgeous, treating both your own.

Going with his wife to Georgia, last year - it turned out all the tickets sold out! Let's go to Crete. It will be necessary to go this year. Thanks for the comment!

[igorka357]

And suddenly tomorrow Krajina will offer you money for tanks, you will sell it after all!

[Kasym]

Cherdak. So technical documentation and equipment for repairs were bought in Kharkov, so the Ukrainians worked there (at our factory) at startup. On the contrary, it is necessary to rejoice that they managed to get out of Kharkov. Otherwise, all this would work against Donbass.

[Ducksar]

Semipalatinsk


the irony of some members of the forum in relation to the production and assembly of military equipment in Kazakhstan is not at all clear ... Is it not clear that Kazakhstan, as yet, remains a faithful ally and neighbor who pursues a free policy with countries with which, due to the circumstances, it is impossible for us to interact . thereby, we get the opportunity, figuratively speaking, through the eyes of Kazakhstanis to see what is happening there with a probable opponent (purely out loud thoughts).

[igorka357]

A living example, Ukraine, those in general were brothers to us, besides the Slavs! So we already heard about brotherhood and alliance!

[glasha3032]

I was struck by the cleanliness of the workplace and the culture of production.

[ty60]

I remember your steps on Kara-chaganak .... Khe-khe..Shipbuilding plant in Uralsk. Do not tell my slippers.

[mAgs]

Khe-khe ... Everything can be useful, especially if they make a new channel through Iran (Caspian-Persian zalif).

[Bayonet]

Not right away ...

[aksakal]

Quote: rasputin17

Do you hear yourself? Which tank building industry? Based on what? Kustanai Tractor Plant ??

a tank repair plant was built in Semipalatinsk in the 60s (with the participation and technical assistance of Russia, by the way), so that the "very last" would not become a stake in the form of unusable scrap, and the further development of the plant led to the emergence of competence in terms of modernizing the tank (already with the participation Turks and Israelis). By the way, the Israelis have long taken the fashion to modernize other people's equipment, the Turks have modernized their MXNUMX (probably, they will soon have to evaluate how well the Israelis have improved them), the Jews are very fond of modernizing Russian equipment.
I think this way is better than the Turkish or the Hindu, who are right off the bat for developing their own tank and, as a result, the tanks are so-so, about nothing, and billions and decades down the drain. Maybe longer, but we keep our tank park in shape and someday our own development will appear. The Soviet Union also began its tank building school with someone else's tank (or have you forgotten?). And here the tanks are not alien, but Soviet, where Kazakhstan was a union republic, that is, OWN tanks, they just got them without competence. Well, competence is a real deal. The Jordanians will exploit, complain about any business, maybe they will fight where these tanks are - again, information for elimination ... The plant has its own design bureau, it will grow over time, there will already be specialists who are not only able to perceive and embody someone else's idea, but also GENERATE your own, I'm sure of that. So you can laugh from the height of your "Armata", but remember who laughs well ... Not the last day in the yard, but how it will turn out in the future is a question.

[Paranoid50]

[quote = aksakal] The Soviet Union also began its tank building school from someone else's tank (ali forgot?). They did not forget, as well as the fact that when he started the Soviet Union, there was nothing special to start with, because tanks, as such, were less than five years old. There were some of the pioneers of tank building. And the fact that this industry of the heavy industry is slowly rising in Kazakhstan is very good. Not a single koumiss ... In case of power it will be possible to use, again ...

[Kasym]

Aksakal, welcome! Those. The documentation and equipment for the repair of the T-72 were from Kharkov. The Russians silently poked in that direction.

[Kasym]

I know that there they made gas turbine T-80s (Kharkov). But as it turned out, they had those. doc and equipment which did not work - there was no need (since they had T-64 and T-80 left). Therefore, the Russians showed in Kharkov. Sorry, but I can’t name the person (who was involved in this business in the Republic of Kazakhstan). I even assume that this is the development of the Ukrainians (which they could not launch). And the design bureau at the factory is based on Ukrainian. frames. Because from this plant some walls remained. This plant was raised from scratch. And it’s probably good that we bought (where now Ukraine and T-72 we don’t see there - they can’t repair it anymore). At least everything works for our interests.

[Kasym]

I also think that the implementation of plans to modernize our T-72s to BMPT and T-90 level in Semipalatinsk will begin after the Russian Federation starts mass production of vehicles on the Almaty platform. There is such an agreement between UVZ and Kazakhstan. So we put our old cars into business, repair and somehow upgrade.
I do not see anything wrong with the fact that Kazakhstan has facilities for the repair of BTT. It is the only one for the entire region and CA. It will not be superfluous if it comes to hot things. Unfortunately, Kharkiv is no longer on our side. Hopefully for now. Although they wrote that a lot of things were taken from there to the west. Ukraine.

[bracket]

just in Kharkov they produced the diesel version -T-80UD !!! 80s with GTE only in Omsk and Leningrad.

[serkhan]

where did you see the Kazakhs not selling the last remnants of Soviet weapons to anyone

why so many nerves? What is wrong with selling liquid products?

It's a shame for the Kazakh people ... ..control mediocrity and embezzlement

There are such people in every state, and of course you need to fight against such people, it all depends on the civil position of each person, but why throw "beads" into the void, then to create a negative image of "Kazakh official of embezzlers and generally evil"? Of course, you know better from America ..

[Tjeck]

Well, with this logic, the Su-35 are Soviet, and the `` stronghold '' of the Soviet T-80. Although there is some truth in this.

[Қarabas]

Quote: Temples

But the Kazakh tank is something !!!
Great tank empire !!!
How many engineers of tank builders gave birth to Kazakh land !!!
How many factories have been built !!!
How many armies of the world are grateful to the Kazakhs for this heroic work!
Hooray! Hooray! Hooray!

Ironize - ironize, Vladimir, let the same small ones as you put a plus sign

[rasputin17]

But such pontevy cheers-patriots will instruct you !! I don’t lie here publicly what a gorgeous life Kazakhs have111 Especially after the last dollar jump !!

[Қarabas]

Quote: rasputin17

But such pontevy cheers-patriots will instruct you !! I don’t lie here publicly what a gorgeous life Kazakhs have111 Especially after the last dollar jump !!

Don’t poke me.

[No login]

Take a look, en didn’t instruct !!

Quote: rasputin17

I don’t lie here publicly what a gorgeous life Kazakhs have111 Especially after the last jump in the dollar

And what, in Russia after the recent events with the course, have you all sung from shhastity? It’s hard in Belarus here.

[Bayonet]

Quote: No login

And what, in Russia after the recent events with the course, have you all sung from shhastity?

Of course not! But there are those (as my granny used to say): "At least piss in his eyes, but he is God's dew!"

[Cherdak]

SW Karabas, do not be angry. It’s a sin not to fuss. Clarify me one detail. At the conclusion of the contract, such an arrangement was planned (see above).

And where "It is known that the target identification range has increased by 10 times, and the effective firing range has also increased."
See http://politeka.net/164669-kazahstan-zaklyuchil-kontrakt-na-postavku-tankov-t-72
kz-shygys-v-iordaniyu-foto /

[ty60]

Do not interfere with market barkers! Just business and nothing personal!

[NordUral]

Before ernichat need to include brains, so with all the neighbors quarrel.

[igorka357]

Where will these neighbors be with a decrease in investment in their economy, and a change in the course of the government, we see the Ukrainian as an example! So there’s a double-edged sword!

[ty60]

A naval power! A tank is a steppe ship!

[KazaK Bo]

GSH-18
This is not a "duck" but a "wedge"
Well, okay, they’ve blinded from what they could and will be. On the ride.

Jordan recently asked Russia (there was such info) to sell them heavy weapons (it should be understood that this was understood as tanks) ... But our Oboronexport EXCELLENTLY UNDERSTAND THESE TANKS WILL QUICKLY BE PROVIDED BY ISIS, AND SO JORDAN WAS REFUSED ...
I am sure that this is why a purchase was made in Kazakhstan of heavy weapons, that is, tanks, albeit outdated models, but few modernized (TURKEY TOGETHER !!!!!!) ... for dushmans ... basmachi and other rabble with ISIS will do ...
On the lack of fish and Kazakh tanks from long-term storage warehouses, a good catch!

[Mig-31]

Quote: KazaK Bo

GSH-18
This is not a "duck" but a "wedge"
Well, okay, they’ve blinded from what they could and will be. On the ride.

Jordan recently asked Russia (there was such info) to sell them heavy weapons (it should be understood that this was understood as tanks) ... But our Oboronexport EXCELLENTLY UNDERSTAND THESE TANKS WILL QUICKLY BE PROVIDED BY ISIS, AND SO JORDAN WAS REFUSED ...
I am sure that this is why a purchase was made in Kazakhstan of heavy weapons, that is, tanks, albeit outdated models, but few modernized (TURKEY TOGETHER !!!!!!) ... for dushmans ... basmachi and other rabble with ISIS will do ...
On the lack of fish and Kazakh tanks from long-term storage warehouses, a good catch!

And when Russia sold its BMP and armor c1 to Saudi Arabia, the leadership of Russia also did not think that the BMP and armor would not be with ISIS? You don’t notice the log in your eye.

[Yarik]

Well, here are the grandmothers of a completely different scale. Why not earn extra money? They rush about like whores, where there is more to rip off. Now. And the prospect of a head in. Moo then plunge into. It doesn’t scare you. Then, maybe even not "with them.

[rasputin17]

And when in the North Korea 40 MIGs were sold and removed the objectionable general from his post as a scapegoat, how is it? And where was the president then?

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

And when in the North Korea 40 MIGs were sold and removed the objectionable general from his post as a scapegoat, how is it? And where was the president then?

Also remember how 21e were sold to your Brothers Serbs when their "NATO" pulled.

[rasputin17]

Another confirmation !!! And note dear, I did not say that !! The question is not in the sale of equipment, but in what will we fight with what ?? You look at Lukashenko! He did not sell his potential and not squandered !! did not build shopping centers and entertainment complexes on the basis of factories and plants !! He did not sell resources and did not get into bonded debts !!! You already take off these pink glasses of the Kazakh economic miracle and think about what soon there will be a place without besparmak and kazy with sorpa and you will have to eat stale cake and drink it with water

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Another confirmation !!! And note dear, I did not say that !! The question is not in the sale of equipment, but in what will we be fighting?

Whether you’ll wake up, from 94 on the draft there were no more than 10% of the urgent Europeans. I notice in my unit the Germans, who were taken directly from the permanent residence unit to Germany, are much more than others.

Quote: rasputin17

You look at Lukashenko! He did not sell his potential and not squandered !! did not build shopping centers and entertainment complexes on the basis of factories and plants !! He did not sell resources and did not get into bonded debts !!!

It’s strange, but who is constantly credited? But there is production and what, where to sell and how to pay people salaries.

Quote: rasputin17

You already take off these pink glasses of the Kazakh economic miracle and think about what soon there will be a place without besparmak and kazy with sorpa and you will have to eat stale cake and drink it with water

Pink glasses, hehe. While I dabble with the eggs and my economic well-being ended after the Customs Union and the EAEU, Belarusian, Russian dumping is good. There is a demand for non-standard furniture.

[Your friend]

Quote: marshes

and my economic well-being ended after the CU and the EAEU

Here it is, Mikhalych, it’s a matter of money.) When will you go to the Maidan in Astana? Do you think the agreement with the EU will be better for Kazakhstan, well, such as the EU and Ukraine?)))

[marshes]

Quote: Your friend

Here it is, Mikhalych, it’s a matter of money.) When will you go to the Maidan in Astana? Do you think the agreement with the EU will be better for Kazakhstan, well, such as the EU and Ukraine?)))

What kind of figure is Maidan Shmaydan, what type of figure is Europe, and what type of trade is generally free, you feel the difference ... I am beyond the customs borders and two third-party agreements.

[rasputin17]

Whether you’ll wake up, from 94 on the draft there were no more than 10% of the urgent Europeans. I notice in my unit the Germans, who were taken directly from the permanent residence unit to Germany, are much more than others.

If I have to, I will !!! I am a reserve officer !! I’ll go for the children and my loved ones !! But I won’t go for the bays and khans !! Let them rest! They do not get used to whom to lay down!

It’s strange, but who is constantly credited? But there is production and what, where to sell and how to pay people salaries.

And then what to pay? Promises of a developed economy? You, I see it on myself, I feel very good!

Pink glasses, hehe. Until I dabble with the caviar

I also do not go hungry, but what's next ???

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

If I have to, I will !!! I am a reserve officer !!

A jacket?

Quote: rasputin17

You, I see it on myself, I feel very good!

I do not suffer, this year everything is "similar" and next year it will be interesting, the universal declaration of income. So do not yawn. For 20 years I have all the references and documentation.

Quote: rasputin17

I also do not go hungry, but what's next ???

Read above.

[rasputin17]

A jacket?

No formal jacket!

I do not suffer, this year everything is "similar" and next year it will be interesting, the universal declaration of income. So do not yawn. For 20 years I have all the references and documentation.

And I also pay them and closed the last fiscal year and passed all the tax reporting !! I do not wait for March, how many !!

Read above.

You specifically write and do not refer to the chimera about the bright future! It’s about how people should be! After all, not everyone eats as good as we do!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

No formal jacket!

What, dimes at least chopped off.

Quote: rasputin17

You specifically write and do not refer to the chimera about the bright future! It’s about how people should be! After all, not everyone eats as good as we do!

What kind of people are you worrying about? Think for yourself. There are a lot of funders from DAD, KAB.MIN, the Senate, the Mazhilis, the media, the Prosecutor's Office, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and so on ...
If you have a good one, then others will have a good time ...

[rasputin17]

What, dimes at least chopped off.

In naval terminology, you are not a master!

If you have a good one, then others will have a good time ...

Well yes!!! Like my hut with the edge or someone like a suit will fall !! fine!! We are patriots, only here to bawl how everything is magical in Kazakhstan and how it is in fact that is PAPA KAB.MIN, etc. !!!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

In naval terminology, you are not a master!

Not really the Navy? Which school? I don’t remember that from the KZ until 00 military schools of the Russian Navy sent someone, they studied in Turkey, yes. Maybe I missed something.
By the way, ten years, service is what can be said by contract, after WU.
At least you know what PCBs are, today I directed it at home , so the family were, as always, "terrified", all the same 23 on the nose. And so on May 7 we celebrate.

[rasputin17]

Not really the Navy?

9th squadron 7th submarine division of the Red Banner Northern Fleet! Year of the call of the 90th! And to me your Mambetian green banter of violets !! Mr. Gap,

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

9th squadron 7th submarine division of the Red Banner Northern Fleet! Year of the call of the 90th! And to me your Mambetian green banter of violets !! Mr. Gap,

For mambet, someone you say is our not beloved pinniped.
And so, according to the year of the draft, what an officer rank. I bought a dagger. The Armenians.

[rasputin17]

Not to report to you !! And you, I see rich experience on this subject, judge people by your standards !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Not to report to you !! And you, I see rich experience on this subject, judge people by your standards !!

The one who last made such a slip of his tongue by chance, got to the hospital from the beginning and then left. The most insulting thing was that they didn’t accept the police statement, although the district police officer, Ingush, had a conversation with me. And if I’m suing, I have three witnesses that called me on a national sign.
So watch out for the broomstick.

[rasputin17]

So watch out for the broomstick.

Dear, insert your own broomstick where you yourself know where and watch for it so that it doesn’t climb where you don’t get Mr. Patience !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Dear, insert your own broomstick where you yourself know where and watch for it so that it doesn’t climb where you don’t get Mr. Patience !!

He boldly slapped the last slap, it turned out that his jaw was broken. So my hand is heavy, don’t get caught, or my father complains when I cut a ram that blood does not come out quickly, the ram dies earlier. The meat is not halal, kosher, it turns out. Damn heavy hand.

[rasputin17]

Your hand is heavy !!! I see !!! The main thing now do not break the clave !!! And how will we communicate ??

[igorka357]

Here is another story ..continue!

[rasputin17]

You should be a man and not wipe the comet with your skirt and make yourself insulted! Notice I did not start this shknyag and YOU and now you scream and build a bunch of yourself !! And how pathetically he said !! And slipped into small threats! And how do you please dignify you after that ?? What are you all like then ??? It seemed that they boasted that the officer was a petty gopnik or a shopkeeper on the manners !!

[rasputin17]

With glasses, you scream lautsyndak, you’re the most commented on. M. shnih.

Dear, can you speak normally? Why this black scolding! I've been talking with people all my life, sometimes not even educated from villages, but even in their vocabulary I have never heard anything like it !! Do not break the keyboard !! she is not to blame for anything !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Dear, can you speak normally? Why this black scolding! I've been talking with people all my life, sometimes not even educated from villages, but even in their vocabulary I have never heard anything like it !! Do not break the keyboard !! she is not to blame for anything

What vkuyuchaet back that someone in a personal dumped something.
Not educated from Aul? .. I’m the native Almaty, ever since the time when the settlement of Almaty was called, to any forts of Ili and the Faithful ...

[rasputin17]

I’m a native Almaty, ever since the name of the settlement of Almaty, to all sorts of Ili and Faithful forts ...

You haven’t studied history at all !! Alma-Ata was later than Fort Faithful or Ili !! Take your time with the answer !! Google before giving an adequate answer! After all, people read us and what can they think about you ??

What vkuyuchaet back that someone in a personal dumped something. smile

And rear-wheel drive is your orientation. You have already proven it here !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

You haven’t studied history at all !! Alma-Ata was later than Fort Faithful or Ili !! Take your time with the answer !! Google before giving an adequate answer! After all, people read us and what can they think about you ??

July 24, 1853.

Almaty
G. Corps Commander

With my report of July 18, No. 140, I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of crossing the river. Or…

... The woodland of the gorges, from where Issyk flows, made me immediately begin to survey them. Upon inspection, I moved to Talgar and, having examined its peaks, I am currently inspecting Almaty. Further, the Almaty forest in the mountains is gladdening and becoming more accessible. The choice to occupy the point should fall on Issyk or Talgar.

8 August, 1853

Kargaly

G. Corps Commander

I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined the first and second Almaty and the valley between them with engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky, we found the convenience of logging, a large number of beautiful arable land rugged by irrigation ditches, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlements, moreover, through occupation of this point, all the best nomads and arable lands of Dulat will be at our fingertips. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

(the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed

And now go to the wiki to ask who Dulaty are and who they are in the state bodies.

Quote: rasputin17

And rear-wheel drive is your orientation. You have already proven it here !!

You constantly turn on the rear-wheel drive. I look at you switched.

[rasputin17]

Take this so as not to show your complete ignorance !!

[ty60]

So it’s written on the Globe of Kazakhstan? Well, after all, who helped the Great Screen to dig the Black Sea!

[igorka357]

You reposted the swamps from Wikipedia, you collapsed from an oak tree ... brought evidence, oh mom !

[Aposlya]

Do you already see letters anonymous?

[Aposlya]

Quote: rasputin17

You haven’t studied history at all !! Alma-Ata was later than Fort Faithful or Ili !!

It would be for you to study history yourself! Already in the 10th century, Almaty minted its coin, as shown by archaeological excavations. Well, or read at least the correspondence of military engineers who laid the fortress - there they directly said that they would build the fortress along the Almaty Treaty at the ancient city of Almaty.

[rasputin17]

Not educated from Aul? .. I’m a native of Almaty,

I didn’t specifically mean you !! Why do you write off everything to your address! ?? Excuse me, what a complete moron ???

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

I didn’t specifically mean you !! Why do you write off everything to your address! ?? Sorry YOU are a complete deby

I am surprised at your duplicity that the advice I’ll give you will break somewhere, it’s better to roll back at best, grab at worst, and now not only Kazakhs , although you can make scans and a prosecutor’s office or seek refuge in Europe, if not some.
That the American flag, well, this is our Beeline so frolic. By the way, I know that from this year, all Internet providers are encoded through the KNB.

See that the AZU does not fall.

[rasputin17]

I spit on such a heap as you wanted !! What do you all poke me in prison ?? Why are you the only one packed here! ?? Ku you cheap land cunning ?? YOU think about yourself bamboo !! Or do you want to measure your foreheads?

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

I spit on such a heap as you wanted !! What do you all poke me in prison ?? Why are you the only one packed here! ?? Ku you cheap land cunning ?? YOU think about yourself bamboo !! Or do you want to measure your foreheads?

What has become so bold? Damn I am amazed by the mood swings, my friend you are not the case of Schizophrenia.

[rasputin17]

What has become so bold? Damn I am amazed by the mood swings, my friend you are not the case of Schizophrenia.

I marvel at your endurance !! expose your rotten gut and in a bad game try to keep a good mine !!
Have you already repaired your drive? How do you manage to change your shoes so quickly? Well, as they said in our fleet, "I didn't save the stern, so I'll drown from the poop"! In your case, this is just by the way !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

I marvel at your endurance !! expose your rotten gut and in a bad game try to keep a good face!

Yes, I look at you already hysterical.

Quote: rasputin17

Have you already repaired your drive? How do you manage to change your shoes so quickly? Well, as they said in our fleet, "I didn't save the stern, so I'll drown from the poop"! In your case, this is just by the way !!

Don’t rape your little brain. You’ve sung a song. Was your boyfriend? I can’t understand that such a craving for non-traditional people, maybe you're latent ...

[rasputin17]

latent...

Not for the purpose of idle curiosity, but for the purpose of personal knowledge, WHERE DO YOU LORD MENT THIS WORD MATTERED? AND WHAT DOES THIS ABRA CADADRA MEAN ??? How long have you been teaching him ??

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

WHERE ARE YOU LORD MENT THIS WORD MATCHED? AND WHAT DOES THIS ABRA CADADRA MEAN ??? How long have you been teaching him ??

Quote: rasputin17

I don’t care what a flag there! And the KNBshny snitch can be seen from you right away what kind of officer was and is in fact !! It can be seen that for such an army, the army was not a mother but a mother-in-law !! Do not cough

You decided who I am a cop or a security officer, latent ...

[rasputin17]

You decided who I am a cop or a security officer, latent ...

You are no one and there is no way to call you !!! Arranged !? Even now I doubt that such a miracle is an officer at all !! judging by your comets, the snitch is a kind of cop !! It can be seen somewhere they took you and split your rotten inside !!! or am I mistaken in something ?? do not scold! but they talk with you like that vile and zapadlo like scum in the camp !! It really hurts from you in red pret111 you see Vvshnik I'll go bounce after talking with you !! You are not pulling on YOU

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

I’m going to jump after talking with you !!

Go jump, maybe your friend will get sperm. And you’re using it out of mind.

[rasputin17]

Try to get me RAZ you are so cool and do not scuff here like a CHEAP LARV skirt You are such a dime a dozen !! In general, I got the impression about you that you have to do with the army like me to ballet !! you have a judgment like a youngster !! And about any officer concepts and speech can not go !! MORE THAN ON THE PRAPORA HOUSE OF THE CAMP GANG ARE YOU NOT PULLING !!

[rasputin17]

Hey swamp !! Now my nickname has a Kazakh flag !! How do you like this Kalinkor !?

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Hey swamp !! Now my nickname has a Kazakh flag !! How do you like this Kalinkor !?

Goldfinch, now through megaline, the brake that has reached at least not being encrypted will be calculated from the short circuit.
Damn Sunday, go homework lessons. Monday school.

[rasputin17]

Have you forgotten ALIEL KAZAKHTELECOM to the villages of ACTIVE AND DALAK WITH JEYRAN !!! The latter is not determined mister stuck ensign !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

You forgot ALIEL

Yes, you already began to stumble over the clave.

Quote: rasputin17

AND DALAK WITH JEYRAN

So they are no longer there, you’re not alone at the computer, as two different people write, Someone stops the diagnosis or a schiz or 17 year old
I’m watching someone always draws pluses for you.

[rasputin17]

YA I offered you my dear, imbecile friend to go in PM, but YOU chose to butt and tape like a bull on a stone wall here showing your stupidity and stupidity !! You were offered a personal message. You refused that now YOU ARE FOR WHAT ANYTHING PLUSES HERE ARE SPEECHING ?? To me they are violet people themselves see our rotten bazaar station and see your specific cant !! It was you who sank him and now are building a tirpil of yourself !! In other things, tirpila is your destiny !!

[ty60]

The definition is not included in the list of censorship.

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

I’m already going to be pulling up a tebch in secondary schools of the Soviet high school here !! And I will do it disinterestedly !! Let another educated person appear in the Republic of Kazakhstan !!

Here the wise guy sought out, you even swallowed.
Che draw your education.
Marechek.
By the way, what is the figure 17, still at school?

[rasputin17]

That's when I teach you to understand !!! Now your brain is not ready for such information yet !! you already have one gyrus and that from the cap! Never mind! You already have it in full swing !!

[ty60]

Spit on. Do not rake a stick, it will stink less. It will dry out in the sun, a dung will come out. On a rainy day, it’s useful to heat the yurt.

[ty60]

Spit on. Do not rake a stick, it will stink less. It will dry out in the sun, a dung will come out. On a rainy day, it’s useful to heat the yurt.

[rasputin17]

What is the American flag, well, this is our Beeline so frolic. By the way, I know that from this year, all Internet providers are encoded through the KNB. laughing

I don’t care what a flag there! And the KNBshny snitch can be seen from you right away what kind of officer was and is in fact !! It can be seen that for such an army, the army was not a mother but a mother-in-law !! Do not cough !!

[rasputin17]

What other flag do you put ?? you can see by the flag of the people judging !!

[ty60]

But didn’t you communicate personally with the Great Lame?

[Aposlya]

Calling you a "Russian pig" will probably not seem like an insult to you, right?
Then why do you yourself begin to cheer here?

[igorka357]

Oh, heroic stories from personal life .. interestingly !

[rasputin17]

.I bought a dirk. laughing Have Armenians. laughing

It is interesting!!! Throw the address! Here, my Atyrau guys would really like to buy somewhere too !! After all, also at sea !!! I'll give you 10% kickback !!! purely Kazakh !!! We have nowhere without it !!! You yourself understand "!! Help you close the tax year and there will still be left for caviar !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

It is interesting!!! Throw in the address! Here my Atyraus guys would very much like to buy some realties too !! I'll give you 10% kickback !!! purely Kazakh !!! We have nowhere without it !!! You yourself understand "!! Help you close the tax year and there will still be left for caviar !!

Atyrausky, I’ll punish my son-in-law to buy caviar. And to take a closer look.
Look do not stabbed with a dagger.

[rasputin17]

If something is to say Dear then write in a personal and do not clog the tape! And learn to perceive the truth as it is !!! Indeed, if in Russia there are two troubles, then in Kazakhstan there is also a third, it is the truth that people should be hawking !! the one that will be presented to him and not the one that is actually !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

If something is to say Dear then write in a personal and do not clog the tape! And learn to perceive the truth as it is !!! Indeed, if in Russia there are two troubles, then in Kazakhstan there is also a third, it is the truth that people should be hawking !! the one that will be presented to him and not the one that is actually !!

What you turn on the back, you want to PM, yes I spit there, you want to hide the tape. Wonder the letter M.
You can scribble moderators, well, at the beginning you.

[rasputin17]

What you turn on the back, you want to PM, yes I spit there, you want to hide the tape. Wonder the letter M.
You can scribble moderators, well, at the beginning you.

You have one crinkle, I see that one from a soldier's cap! I do not take an example from you and I do not work as YOU my comets! and who are you after that? And after that, do you consider yourself an honest person ?? What man wears pants? Is this worthy of the honor of an officer? Or have you been taught this in the army? how can one in such a case hope for such an army where an officer will change his clothes on the go! I feel sorry for the people who feed such officers11 It is better to feed the mercenaries then !!!

[rasputin17]

What you turn on the back, you want to PM, yes I spit there, you want to hide the tape. Wonder the letter M.
You can scribble moderators, well, at the beginning you.

You have one crinkle, I see that one from a soldier's cap! I do not take an example from you and I do not work as YOU my comets! and who are you after that? And after that, do you consider yourself an honest person ?? What man wears pants? Is this worthy of the honor of an officer? Or have you been taught this in the army? how can one in such a case hope for such an army where an officer will change his clothes on the go! I feel sorry for the people who feed such officers11 It is better to feed the mercenaries then !!!

[rasputin17]

Atyrau, I’ll punish my son-in-law to buy caviar.

Do not choke on smuggled caviar !!! According to the laws of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the production of caviar is a criminal case !!! Or pay off ??

[igorka357]

What is PCB even Dushar written off in NW knows, so a weak question betraying the unaware subtleties of military service! !

[igorka357]

I mean, think for yourself, and then Chezh for the whole of Kazakhstan, bazaar? And if everything is fine with you, then you will share it with others, I doubt very much! Some kind of nonsense you wrote!

[aksakal]

Quote: rasputin17

He did not sell resources and did not get into bonded debts !!! You already take off these pink glasses of the Kazakh economic miracle and think about what soon there will be a place without besparmak and kazy with sorpa, you will have to eat a stale cake and drink it with water,

- T-72 is no longer a topic, modernize and for sale. It is really outdated, and the war in Syria clearly showed it. How many boveiks soaked the T-72? A bunch. How many of the old T-90s, even with a cast turret? No one. Any questions? And what the hell do we need these T-72s? We will buy a T-90, and not a fused turret, but a newer one, perhaps even a T-90MS, and if we are lucky with the queue (which is unlikely), then the Armata. We were among the first to buy BMPTs, we didn’t buy yours there - but we are already riding and shooting at ranges. Why are you worried about our defenses? Uzbagoysya, Everything is ok here, there is still money, and the crisis is not eternal.
By the way - about "Armata". It will be necessary, one visit of Nazarbayev to Putin - and no queue. The Taman division will take the place of Kazakhstan, and Kazakhstan will receive the batch that was intended for the Tamans. Do you doubt it? Me not. But this is if it feels like it. So far, there are no such threats and are not expected. Accordingly, let the Tamans stand in their place in the queue. And, by the way, when that batch will be given to the Kazakh Army, you will not be asked, and there is something positive in this

[rasputin17]

Uzbagoysya, Everything is ok here, there are grandmothers so far, but the crisis is not eternal.

Yes, there are grandmothers !!! The main thing is that they would not be sawed !!

By the way - about the "Armata". It will be necessary, one visit of Nazarbayev to Putin - and no queue.

He has not passed the test and is not accepted for service!

And by the way, when that party will be given to the Kazakhstan Army, they won’t ask you, and there was something positive about it wassat

It's a drum for me !! But facts are a stubborn thing! While the guardians of the Ak Horde are the modernized C300 and certainly not the C400 !! And I would like to see exactly the C400 !! Russian umbrella missile defense is good BUT the security of the heart of the country under the control of the C400 is calmer !!

[igorka357]

Only you quietly kept silent that your Nazarbayev will come to Moscow not to demand and ask "Armata" if he comes, he will, beg, beg and lick, sorry of course if it is rude, but it will be so! like Nazarbayev will come and say .. and Putin will immediately give us "Armata"! Yes, Nazarbayev will erase your language, and will accept any conditions from Russia for this tank!

[Kanatbek]

Are you from the USA writing? Hahaha

[KazaK Bo]

Mig-31 (1) KZ And when Russia sold its BMP and armor c1 to Saudi Arabia, did the leadership of Russia also not think that ISP would not have BMP and armor? You don’t notice the log in your eye.

To a certain extent, you are right ... but to be honest, I did not see information that the 1C ARMOR was already sent to El Riad ..
The games of the Russian Federation with the Saudis are also in another way - so that the Saudis would not lower oil to 10 dollars ... for if they do (or maybe they will have the cost of oil production from 3 to 7 dollars ... and we have from 10 until 27 !!!!) ...
Omit-it will be OH-HOW HURT IS NOT ONLY RUSSIA BUT KAZAKHSTAN ....

[Talgat]

Quote: KazaK Bo

THEREFORE, JORDAN HAS BEEN REFUSED ..

No, this is unrealistic. Such foreign policy things between the Russian Federation and the KZ (and Belarusians) are necessarily coordinated. The Kazakhstani leadership will never do something in defiance of its main ally.

The times of Mig21 sales to Korea are long gone - then there was a mess in the 90s in Russia and the devil knows what was happening here - it was not the state and "businessmen" who sold weapons abroad

But now in the Russian Federation the state control and Rosoboronexport and we also have everything under control

[dmi.pris1]

Well, you don’t need to talk about Chinese plow assembly, all this is in the past. They are now making quite modern technology. Moreover, the Chinese have no problems with communications and electronics, but did you see which ships they are building? Well, and this exhibit, yes ... Blinded from that what happened..

[Misha Honest]

Here is just one maaalenky such a problem ... Jordan supports the Syrian Free Army, and according to rumors ISIS! Jordanians are pawns of Great Britain and the USA. And so everything is fine, of course ... Kazakhs, do you even think that you are supplying to whom or money doesn’t smell?

[Mig-31]

And when Russia sold its BMP and armor c1 to Saudi Arabia, the leadership of Russia also did not think that the BMP and armor would not be with ISIS? You don’t notice the log in your eye.

[olegactor]

yeah well, and the allies of Russia ... only when they are pressed run to ask for help ... and so the 5th column ... no hope

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Mig-31

And when Russia sold its BMP and armor c1 to Saudi Arabia, the leadership of Russia also did not think that the BMP and armor would not be with ISIS? You don’t notice the log in your eye.

For some reason I always thought that Kazakhstan is also their own ... but it turns out you think that strangers?

[CAPILATUS]

Quote: Misha Honest

Here is just one maaalenky such a problem ... Jordan supports the Syrian Free Army, and according to rumors ISIS! Jordanians are pawns of Great Britain and the USA. And so everything is fine, of course ... Kazakhs, do you even think that you are supplying to whom or money doesn’t smell?

Nothing personal and applies not only to you.
As already tired of such posts. Russia is so fluffy. And I didn’t sell anything to Jordan and for the Emirates “Pantsir” didn’t develop it, and such a list can be considerably increased, the point is not that.
Everyone in difficult times survives as best he can, on the contrary, one should be glad for their comrades that they can shed any junk. They will save up some money and go to Almaty bought in Russia.
So end rotten bazaars

[Truth]

Well, yes, of course, this has already become popular - to sculpt all sorts of Zabugrovsky nishtyaks on Soviet cars and put up for sale as something super.

[Samen]

Quote: Baikonur
By the way, if you look at the tower, you can clearly see that the painted cardboard has been crammed, it will not turn around !!! Damn, if only they did it normally!

These are sheets of reinforced rubber suspended. As additional protection against binary ammunition. Turning the tower does not interfere.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Semen

As additional protection against binary ammunition.

Be careful in the comments Saman! Do you even know what binary ammunition is?
Binary ammunition is a type of chemical ammunition, equipped separately with two non-toxic components that form a combat agent when they are mixed during the use of ammunition (during firing, bombing, etc.)
I guess that you mean the tandem, but still more closely ...

[Samen]

Quote: Anatole Klim

Quote: Semen

As additional protection against binary ammunition.

Be careful in the comments Saman! Do you even know what binary ammunition is?
Binary ammunition is a type of chemical ammunition, equipped separately with two non-toxic components that form a combat agent when they are mixed during the use of ammunition (during firing, bombing, etc.)
I guess that you mean the tandem, but still more closely ...

Thank you for the correction! Made a reservation. Meant, tandem, of course. I will continue to be attentive and watchful, Comrade Commander!
Allow me "under house arrest" for two days ?!

[Baikonur]

Quote: Semen

These are sheets of reinforced rubber suspended. As additional protection against binary ammunition. Turning the tower does not interfere.

Well, look at the photo CAREFULLY !!! Check out the gap between these "patches" on the tower and the main body! (overlap !!!, prevents the tower from turning !!!, especially in battle !!!)))
About cardboard, of course, a joke !!! There probably KAZ_NOU_HAU secret, which UVZ dreams about, wants to steal, bites nails, smokes from overstrain, they themselves can’t think of it !!!

[Baikonur]

Quote: Baikonur

Well look at the photo ATTENTIVELY !!!

[tilovaykrisa]

Everything is done there normally, we carefully look at the tower of the Kazakhs and the tower of the Kaklovsky stronghold, they are 100% identical, the rest from the rest of the world I mean the external body kit, they took a little stuffing from everyone, Jewish electronics are good, the only question is what exactly is Kazakh ??? not borrowed namely from 0?

[tol100v]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

not borrowed namely from 0?

Only the name!

[starper]

Guys, in the title of the article, there is no word, they made it, they built it, it is written there, they put it, they sold it, maybe it’s enough to scoff, but it’s better to think why they could, and we are all so great tanked?

[Kanatbek]

what for ? Must be your own? The main thing is to work!

[33 Watcher]

Yes, these are rubber mats, such thick ones ... But what’s under them is interesting.

[gergi]

Papier-mâché clearly overdid it.

[andris_74]

Only cowards turn the tower .. yes, in general, then "shygys" with him)))

[svp67]

Quote: Baikonur

By the way, if you look at the tower, you can clearly see that it is covered with painted cardboard, but it will not turn around !!!

Do you yourself understand what you said? What kind of cardboard are you talking about? Tower defense is made in the image of our T-80U, in which the tower spins very easily and famously ...

[Baikonur]

Quote: svp67

Do you yourself understand what you said? What kind of cardboard are you talking about? Tower defense is made in the image of our T-80U, in which the tower spins very easily and famously ...

Well, look at the photo, compare CAREFULLY !!! Check out the gap between these "patches" on the tower and the main body! (overlap !!!, prevents the tower from turning !!!, especially in battle !!!)))
With your own photo !!!
About cardboard of course a joke !!! There probably KAZ_NOU_HAU secret, about which UVZ dreams, wants to steal, bites her nails smokes from overstrain, they themselves can’t think of it !!!

[svp67]

Quote: Baikonur

(overlapping !!!, prevents the turn of the tower !!!, especially in battle !!!)))

Overlap WHAT? Rubber-fabric "apron". This is NOT HOW TO interfere with the turn of the tower

[igorka357]

Actually, this is not cardboard at all, but ordinary rubber, which has no practical meaning .. but for that a la abrams type)))!

[Kanatbek]

this is not rubber, but a plate that allows the tandem shell to work in advance

[Pimply]

Quote: Baikonur

UVZ in shock!
By the way, if you look at the tower, you can clearly see that the painted cardboard has been crammed, it will not turn around !!! Damn, if only they did it normally!

The judgment about the project on one photo is not a sign of great intelligence.

[Warrior Hamilton]

Translation of the word "Shygys" - "East"

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Warrior Hamilton

Translation of the word "Shygys" - "East"

By the way, is this an exact photograph of the T-72KZ? It seems he looks different

[APASUS]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Warrior Hamilton

Translation of the word "Shygys" - "East"

By the way, is this an exact photograph of the T-72KZ? It seems he looks different

There is such an opinion

Modernized tank T-72U4 (c) caspionet.kz

[lysyj bob]

"shygys" - in Kazakh "east"

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: lysyj bob

Translation of the word "Shygys" - "East"

Quote: lysyj bob

"shygys" - in Kazakh "east"

Thank you Some kind of banal name, don't you think? Or is it a subtle allusion to the name of Yuri Gagarin's ship "Vostok"? That is, a launch similar to a space one is expected by the Kazakh tank building?

[lysyj bob]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Any banal name, don’t you?

It’s just that Kazakhs associate themselves with the east in a geographical sense, and ethnically too.

[Talgat]

We have the word Batys - west. And often applied - and so what? Does that mean we associate ourselves with the west? And there are the words South and North - and there are also many things that may be called that.

And all this does not mean anything.

Manufacturers of "Buratino" also I think they do not associate themselves with a piece of wood

[lysyj bob]

Quote: Talgat

And it all doesn’t mean anything.

Don't be offended, Talgat. This is just a version of the origin of the name. I have lived in Kazakhstan for a long time and I know that you consider yourself an oriental people. Perhaps my version is incorrect, but I will be grateful if you offer your version of the origin of the name "Shygys". thanks
PS "Buratino", "capacitor", "we draw
ear and other "greetings" only mean that these brilliant and serious things are done by ordinary people who are not devoid of a sense of humor

[Scoun]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary.

That is to say Shygys Khan, Shyngys Khan - Chyngyz Khan, Genghis Khan)))
In general, this is their Shygys Khan.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Ami du peuple

There is a photograph. What else do you need?

I would like to know how many tanks the Jordanians will be supplied with, whether such a thing affects the defense of the Kazakh army and what bonuses manufacturers have gained besides currency. Maybe they adopted some clever technology or gained useful experience from acquaintance with modern tank protection and control systems. And what will be the prospects and orders in the future. I understand that I am not asking you this question. But there are steppes here. What do you interpret there?

[Kanatbek]

Shyngys is the peak of a snowy mountain in Kazakh.
We have the Shyngystau mountain, the peak of the mountain is called Shyn

And Shygys is the east

[opus]

Quote: Ami du peuple

There is a photograph. what else is needed?

few.

KADEX-2012

What else would I like to thread


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look like brothers

Modernized tanks T-72UA4 (Ukraine) and T-72M1M (Russia)

[Denis Obukhov]

From the scoop, they inherited about 1300 cars. Like many in the post-communist space, it was decided to modernize them. First of all, for yourself, but do not forget about export.

[Kanatbek]

about 5000 tanks left

[Tujh]

The whole problem is in the third letter. Not "T", but "G". And even then this is not exactly "G" in our understanding, but a phonetic variation of the sound "G". Well, the translation is quite simple - "SHYGYS" in Kazakh "VOSTOK".

[inkass_98]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary.

That is why I did not find that I had to look for "shygys":
shyғys
I. geo
1. East; part of the world; side of sunrise
Tayau Shygys → Middle East
2. Oriental
Shyғys Europe → Eastern Europe
көлдің шығыс жғғы → eastern side of the lake
kүnshyғys zhaқ → side of sunrise; east side; East
шығыс биі → oriental dance
https://sozdik.kz/ru/dictionary/translate/kk/ru/шығыс/

[brr1]

Shygys - East. Leave the verb "shygu". From where the sun comes out.

[Altona]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary.

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Shygys (kaz. Shygys - east).

[sa-zz]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Kazakh-speaking, can anyone explain what it means?

shyғys - if exactly in Kazakh. East or side of sunrise.
In principle, "East" is the very theme, a subtle hint of thick circumstances, so to speak, it turns out.

[BULLIT]

Shygys, not shytys! Read ...

[adept666]

Shyғys (shygys) - (Kyrgyz / Kazakh) East.

[vitaliy.rnd]

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary. Comrades Kazakhs and Kazakh-speaking people, can anyone explain what it means?

Shygys, this is in our opinion shit! or in the common people bang bang!

[ALEXX.]

Shygys in Kazakh is "east"

[ALEXX.]

Shygys in Kazakh is "east"

[Platonich]

Some kind of plywood monster ....

[Drmadfisher]

and spelling? Otkel their tanks?

[Rash]

Kazakh speakers
Turkic speaking!

[Zymran]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary. Comrades Kazakhs and Kazakh-speaking people, can anyone explain what it means? There is "shytysu" - a disagreement.

Shygys, more precisely shyғys is the east.

[Bochik]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary.

Shygys - east.

[antipendos]

There, in general, it is not shitys, but shigys it is written which in translation means "EAST")))

[aszzz888]

There is a photograph. What else do you need? smile
I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary.

It was not possible to find any data on the adoption of the Shygys tank in service

So "Shygys" or "shytys"? Although I don't care what the name is.

[gjv]

Quote: Ami du peuple

I could not find the word "shytys" in the Kazakh-Russian dictionary. Comrades

Quote: aszzz888

So "Shygys" or "shytys"?

Comrade, the correct spelling is - shyғys - Oriental tank.

[kush62]

Read carefully and find. Translated, the word means East. And shytys, this is from carelessness.

[Dauren]

Here is the word "Shygys" which in translation from Kazakh means "East"

[GSH-18]

Kazakhstan will supply Jordan tanks T-72KZ

Wow! Cool. Especially the apron

[PKK]

An apron made of tape from a former brick factory.

[Bulrumeb]

The head of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan during the visit to Jordan concluded an agreement on the sale of modernized T-72KZ Shygys tanks

Interestingly, what is Kazakhstan going to rearm for?

[GSH-18]

Quote: Bulrumeb

Interestingly, what is Kazakhstan going to rearm for?

On the T-90 on credit.

[pts-m]

he will drive his old ones into Jordan, and with the proceeds he will buy new ones from the pendostan. even the color of military equipment converges from these states.

[Talgat]

Do not talk nonsense. Kazakhstan purchases and will purchase the most important major weapons in Russia. Together with Russia and Belarus, this is the basis of the CSTO. We have

[Bochik]

Quote: PTS-m

he will drive his old ones into Jordan, and with the proceeds he will buy new ones from the pendostan. even the color of military equipment converges from these states.

The tank in the picture is painted, as you might guess, in the color of Jordanian military equipment.

[Lieutenant Izhe]

At this rate, the Kazakhs will soon conquer the WHOLE tank-building world market!
Tagil and Omsk, nervously smoking in a calloused oiled fist ...
Again the Jews with their modernization Rosoboronprom make a tackle!
Gentlemen of Israel, you are SECOND after the Chinese (on the addiction to the Russian military)

[padded jacket]

By the way, the T-72 tanks in the T-72SIM-I variant upgraded Israel to Georgia and it was these tanks that then shot at our Russian troops in South Ossetia.

[Giant thought]

Here it is the Soviet legacy and the engineering genius of Soviet specialists. Up until now, modernized Soviet military equipment is in demand in the world.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Giant thought

Here it is the Soviet legacy and the engineering genius of Soviet specialists. Up until now, modernized Soviet military equipment is in demand in the world.

Et yes ..

[GSH-18]

Quote: Lieutenant Izhe

Tagil and Omsk, nervously smoking in a calloused oiled fist ... request
Again the Jews with their modernization Rosoboronprom make a tackle!
Gentlemen of Israel, you are SECOND after the Chinese (on the addiction to the Russian military)

Why are you surprised? The country 75 / 450km just didn’t come out in size with the Chinese in terms of consumer goods

[Professor]

Quote: Lieutenant Izhe

Again the Jews with their modernization Rosoboronprom make a tackle!

So itch less necessary and more work to do.

In general, the news IMHO duck. Israeli devices in ... Jordan?

And so the fruit of their joint work was born - the T-72 KZ tank. As a result of the modernization, the T-72 tank received built-in dynamic protection, typical for Israeli versions of the modernization of American M48 and M60 tanks, the armor protection of the tower, and the anti-cumulative gratings. The gunner’s day sight remained the same, but the old active-passive night sight was replaced by a thermal imaging one. The tank commander was able to duplicate the actions of the gunner. The driver also received a new surveillance device. New means of communication and navigation of Western production have been installed, which are integrated into the Elbit Systems / Azimuth Technologies Comet system with GPS. It became possible to install an air conditioner, which is very important for the hot Kazakhstan climate, and an auxiliary power unit. The tank received a caterpillar track with rubber cushions.


Of particular note is such a trifle as the friction coating of additional armor from glued pieces of metal shavings or granite chips (they say differently - Israeli citizens, what do you have there?). Such a trifle, however, significantly reduces injuries among tankers.

[kil 31]

Where is the log? Modernizers. Hi

[Chisayna]

So, how the Jews modernized Georgian tanks, specialists in Russia have already studied. And these will be studied.

[Professor]

Quote: Chisain

So, how the Jews modernized Georgian tanks, specialists in Russia have already studied. And these will be studied.

What for? Everyone knows that the Israeli military-industrial complex are former Soviet experts who took out Soviet secrets. In other words, what was put on the tank was already in the USSR. There is nothing to study there.

PS
I don’t understand. Why should Jordan buy a T-72 when its tank fleet consists of bourgeois equipment created by bourgeois standards? Why buy a T-72 in Kazakhstan if you can get M-48 and M-60 upgraded in Israel for free?

[Arbogast]

Quote: professor

I don’t understand. Why should Jordan buy a T-72 when its tank fleet consists of bourgeois equipment created by bourgeois standards? Why buy a T-72 in Kazakhstan if you can get M-48 and M-60 upgraded in Israel for free?

If infa is not bullshit, then this is simply a curtsy of the King of Jordan to the President of Kazakhstan Nazarbayev.
They are still going to buy MDIs in K-not, although it is much simpler and cheaper to buy by ourselves and collect from ourselves.
The Jordanians did the right thing in the east - they did it nicely to Nursultan. You can wait for reciprocal steps towards other issues ..
Lost in the small, won in the larger

[rasputin17]

And you yourself do not mind for your power ?? It turns out from your words that you as a banana republic are bred for beads !!

[GSH-18]

Quote: rasputin17

And you yourself do not mind for your power ?? It turns out from your words that you as a banana republic are bred for beads !!

Specify about what your koment, otherwise it is not clear. Because of this, and minus. PS I did not minus.

[rasputin17]

Sorry opponent comets deleted! It was about the fact that the Republic of Kazakhstan in the view of many Saudis is not higher than the banana republic and that for dollars we are ready to sell the last chapan !!

[Your friend]

Quote: professor

Why buy a T-72 in Kazakhstan if you can get M-48 and M-60 upgraded in Israel for free?

Quote: professor

In general, the news IMHO duck. Israeli devices in ... Jordan? request

Hmm.

[padded jacket]

Quote: professor

Why buy a T-72 in Kazakhstan if you can get M-48 and M-60 upgraded in Israel for free?

And I’ll explain to you despite the fact that the king of Jordan treats Israel well, the people of this country fiercely hate Israel, who have oiled Palestine and constantly destroy the Palestinian people, passing them off as terrorists and they are only fighters for freedom from Israeli aggression.
The Bedouins urge the King of Jordan to start a war for the “liberation of Jerusalem”
More than fifty leaders of the Bedouin communities issued a joint statement calling on King Abdullah II of Jordan to create a “people's militia,” which, along with the Jordanian army, will “free Jerusalem”.
http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/10/27/beduini-izrailya-prizivayut-kor
olya-iordanii-nachat-voynu-za-osvobozhdenie-ierusalima /

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

the people of this country fiercely hate Israel, which has oiled Palestine and is constantly destroying the Palestinian people, passing them off as terrorists and they are only fighters for freedom from Israeli aggression

jacket, I'll bring you back to the emergency. You will be in splendid isolation. Israel did not occult Palestine because it is impossible to ocular what does not exist and did not exist. Israel freed Judea and Samaria from the Jordanians in 1967, and the funny thing is that they never asked these territories back.

Quote: quilted jacket

More than fifty leaders of the Bedouin communities issued a joint statement calling on King Abdullah II of Jordan to create a “people's militia,” which, along with the Jordanian army, will “free Jerusalem”.

Funny. meanwhile, Israel has betrayed its Cobra attack helicopters to Jordan. Probably to make it easier for Jordan to "liberate" Jerusalem. By the way, the temple mountain is under the protectorate of Jordan. Will they free her from themselves?

[would]

Israel did not occult Palestine because it is impossible to ocular what does not exist and did not exist. Israel freed Judea and Samaria

Wow! It turns out there was no such name as "Palestine", but it was Judea and Samaria. And the fact that this land even Herodotus called "Palestine" and many after him is all a lie.

[Professor]

Quote: rait

Wow! It turns out there was no such name as "Palestine", but it was Judea and Samaria. And the fact that this land even Herodotus called "Palestine" and many after him is all a lie.

Dear, you are not careful. I'm not talking about the "name", but about "Palestine". The name Atlantis also existed, which does not prove the existence of Atlantis itself. The name "Palestine" came from the word "plishtim" - a tribe inhabiting the area of ​​present-day Ashkelon and part of the Gaza Strip. It has nothing to do with Judea and Samaria. There has never been any Palestine within any borders with any capital, etc.

[would]

Well, such a Zionist state of Israel also did not exist for a very long time, the USSR also appeared relatively recently. Maybe Israel doesn’t exist in this way for the older states and it would be necessary to divide the land? Of course, you will answer with categorical denial. Because it is possible to divide the Palestinian lands, because it is beneficial for Israel, but it is impossible to divide Israel itself because it is categorically unprofitable for Israel. That's the whole point, and all these "Palestinian people do not exist", "Palestine does not exist" are just political games with words to justify the annexation of "disputed territories" which the Palestinians consider theirs.

[rasputin17]

I beg of you! Dear professor! What is modernization here ?? The sticker of Kazakh characters is so petty and doesn’t pull on explicit tuning !! For real modernization, factories and design bureaus are needed, and on their basis in KZ, bazaars and shopping malls in Kazakhstan have long been impossible; there are only Kazakh show-offs !!!

[TORE-BATU]

I see you, ras-Putin, have a personal hostility towards the Kazakhs, since you are so aggressively expressing yourself here about us !? From your comments, it becomes clear why you are not expressing yourself like that here, it is you who most likely escaped from the bazaar, once you have spread the market boltology here, it’s better not to write anything, you just can’t talk about the topic. You must have been hard offended in KZ? Poor him))))

[Reserve buildbat]

Do Kazakhs pay Russia for a license? Do they have the right to change? UVZ in the know?

[TORE-BATU]

There is no need to pay to Kazakhstan for what was built under the USSR. No, and most likely there will not be any license for these tanks, so why pay ???? We collect old rubbish. You try to ask from Bulgaria, which churns out "your" weapon without any hesitation, and to just anyone?!?!? Can't you? That's right, because NATO is there, it's not so easy !!! :))) That is why you are looking at your nearby neighbors. UVZ nervously smokes on the sidelines.

[Oleg Lavrov]

Well yes!! All the same, the legendary Russian T-72, and KZ, just an index of the country of dispatch! Very nice tank! I’ll tell you from experience that in order to set fire to the T-72 UkroP (idoras) OB, we had to get at least 3 carrots from RPGs and at least one must have a thermobar! And he still left the line of fire .. and already far from us, the crew tried to extinguish it! There they finished it off!

[kil 31]

Quote: Oleg Lavrov

Well yes!! All the same, the legendary Russian T-72, and KZ, just an index of the country of dispatch! Very nice tank! I’ll tell you from experience that in order to set fire to the T-72 UkroP (idoras) OB, we had to get at least 3 carrots from RPGs and at least one must have a thermobar! And he still left the line of fire .. and already far from us, the crew tried to extinguish it! There they finished it off!

Did auto extinguish not work?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Professor
jacket, I'll bring you back to the emergency.

Of course, of course, now he put me in an emergency situation and in a week you’ll dare and boast about telling fairy tales to everyone on the forum about what - a quilted jacket frightened me in an emergency situation.

Quote: Professor
Israel did not occult Palestine because it is impossible to ocular what does not exist and did not exist.

Only the existence of Israel within its current borders is not recognized by any country in the world, even your USA sponsor.

Quote: Professor
Israel freed Judea and Samaria from the Jordanians in 1967, and the funny thing is that they never asked these territories back.

He didn’t free but occupied Judea and Samaria, since the Jews were probably there not when they didn’t live, or it was so long ago that no one remembers this.
And once more for you, the king of Jordan is one of those who "lay down" under Israel and treats him loyally as the simple people of the country hate Israel.

Quote: Professor
Joke meanwhile, Israel betrayed its cobra cobra helicopters to Jordan.

Well, maybe so, but again it’s just curtsies toward Israel from the King of Jordan are ordinary people of the country — Israel hates and understands that it is evil and a source of terrorism in the region.

[Primus pilus]

Everything is somehow dry on this Shygys.

[izya top]

but where is the car manufactured? Or is it selling the Soviet legacy?

[Dimon19661]

Well, where is it at the Great Kazakh Tank Plant-Astana, the second lane to the right, boxing number 2.

[izya top]

Quote: Dimon19661

- Astana, the second lane to the right, boxing number 2.

there was a metal purchase

[padded jacket]

Quote: izya top

but where is the car manufactured? Or is it selling the Soviet legacy?

Rather, they are modernizing what they got from the USSR; they doped additional reservations; they updated the electronics and for sale.
Tower of this tank near

[Thunderbolt]

So who sticks the sticker like that ..? It is necessary to tear off the substrate from one edge and glue a narrow strip first. And then gently pull the substrate with one hand and smooth it evenly with the other hand and glue it with a special roller or cloth. And so it will wrinkle and bubbles. Eh, uncle ...

[AlexSam]

I never would have thought that the Jews would release an armored gun :)

[salad]

Jordanians vryatli will be able to ride them, there all the viewing windows are made under a special cut of eyes

[Brigadier]

Looks like Kazakhs in their reserves (even from the USSR) climbed! Soon we will see the T-34 with an Israeli body kit from Kazakh deep storage warehouses ...

[Kasym]

T-34s left Africa in the early 90s (we had few of them). We still have the T-62 and T-72. 5 pieces in storage warehouses. About 000 pcs on the run. They are upgrading at the restored Semipalatinsk BTT repair plant. They wrote that one tank was being repaired within 300 days. And also, what will the BMPT Terminator do from the T-70. Factory since 72 sits at the state order, 2011 people work. There are plans with UVZ to upgrade the T-600 to the T-72 level.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

About 300 pcs on the run.

There are more of them already.

[Kasym]

Hi, I’m judging by a January surprise check. They wrote about 100 aircraft and 300 tanks.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Hi, I’m judging by a January surprise check. They wrote about 100 aircraft and 300 tanks.

Salam, well, you can write anything by going to Wikipedia.
There is no real data. You can only guess.
By the way, maybe someone reads. At the bazaar I saw a new border lump, my 56 was 27 thousand, it's not a problem to freeze in it, I remember my old pea coat with a tsigeykom collar, four flowers.

[rasputin17]

And what will protect the lines from the Chinese ????? Indeed, under the USSR, these were reserves in case of aggression on this side! Now let's type agree! Fat cats are sitting in politics and the government, and they have the same mother and stepmother! How can simple Kazakhs live ??

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

And what will protect the lines from the Chinese ?????

The Chinese have long been in Kazakhstan

Quote: rasputin17

How can simple Kazakhs live ??

What kind of ordinary Kazakhs are you worried about?

[Kasym]

Rasputin. After the collapse of the USSR, there were 12 thousand BTT units in Semipalatinsk alone. There are 5 tanks in stock. Why should they rust? Better to shaman and sell. And you can do something more modern for yourself, with UVZ there are agreements on the modernization of the T-000 to BMPT and T-72. With the PRC all the way - the relationship is like between the RF and the PRC.
Marshes, so then they will quarrel for the number - you see what kind of biased comments from the Russians. And so we know that 300 on the go. In fact, they said that in the Armed Forces there are up to 980 combat-ready tanks. And I remember winter overalls with valinki. We had such a workwear - we often had to ride an open body in the winter at night - a polygon shift. That thing was.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Marshes, so then they will quarrel for the number - you see what kind of biased comments from the Russians. And so we know that 300 on the go.

Let it be 300, but the rest is not bad in the BMP, TOS and BMPT redo.

Quote: Kasym

And I remember winter overalls with valinki. We had such a workwear - we often had to ride an open body in the winter at night - a polygon shift. That thing was.

My father, in the course, served in Aviation, the winter fur coat is really 54 size, I'm already small, as in advertising, we are growing, although over 40. This is a thing, but I have summer winter boots with zippers and fur inside, like high boots, this is also a thing.
So I looked closely at the clothes, the uncle complains that the wolves have defeated, it is necessary to shoot and set the pegs on the pegs. I'll leave for weeks.

[Kasym]

Swamps, I agree, and those old T-62 can be redone, if wisely come up. The Israelis even adapted the T-55. So why good disappear.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Swamps, I agree, and those old T-62 can be redone, if wisely come up. The Israelis even adapted the T-55. So why good disappear

T-62 can generally be done for urban battles.
I've got Lopatov, asked about a possible alteration of the T-72, using developments in Vienna or NONA, a city tank. True, AVT presupposed in some places that this was Lopatov's idea. -72 the same would not be a bad thing. True, the tower must be welded, and all the fentiflyushek must be hung.

[rasputin17]

After the collapse of the USSR, there were 12 thousand BTT units in Semipalatinsk alone. There are 5 tanks in stock. Why should they rust? Better to shaman and sell. And you can do something more modern for yourself, with UVZ there are agreements on the modernization of the T-000 to BMPT and T-72. With the PRC all the way - the relationship is like between the RF and the PRC.

Your data is too outdated !!! my friend in Semsk bought three armored vehicles for fishing! and from the Slavs the bargaining was going on already, the fur coat was wrapping up !! and about China, I wouldn’t be so sure in your place. You forgot their main saying !!! Do not have illusions !!! or do you hope that under the wing of Russia everything will ride ?? Strange logic!

[rasputin17]

What kind of ordinary Kazakhs are you worried about? smile

Yes, I worry! even though I am not Kazakh, Kazakhs are my brothers, sisters and just friends with whom my whole life is connected! And I won’t have another !!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Yes, I worry! even though I am not Kazakh, Kazakhs are my brothers, sisters and just friends with whom my whole life is connected! And I won’t have another !!

Well, tell your friends how you feel.

[rasputin17]

Well, tell your friends how you feel.

Unlike you, I do not say but do it! 90% of Kazakhs from Taraz and Shymkent are at my enterprise!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Unlike you, I do not say but do it! 90% of Kazakhs from Taraz and Shymkent are at my enterprise!

I won’t tell you for Shym, but the Tarazskys have long been smacking your lips with something.
Even so speak out about the mambets.

[Kasym]

So this is only in Semsk, but in Otar? So the whole lichen moved, including in the Russian Federation. Remember the first contract with the Indians on the 300 T-90. That's it, the corps were taken from us. And believe me, I know a person who dealt with this issue. A lot of equipment from Afghanistan was brought to us. And the fact that everything should be reserved. We have those MiG-23 and MiG-27 live.
Rasputin, the fact is that the PRC borders with the RK of its XUAR. And there are 30 mil. Uigur. Look at the Kurds now - the situation is similar. Only there while the Uighurs with knives and batons throw at the police. And what's the point of the Chinese spoiling relations with us and even more so climbing here? Their economy is tied up here (they get a third of all gas from Central Asia, uranium, etc.). The Silk Road and its Economic Belt. If they get here, they will lose everything and still get armed Uyghurs in the XUAR. Because not only the Russian Federation, but also the EU and the USA (uranium, oil, gas), the presence of China is not beneficial. Therefore, we have a similar agreement with China on the Russian-Chinese contract, in which 100km is provided. exclusion zone for heavy weapons and military units on both sides of the border. Like the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan has the status of a strategic partner for the PRC. So why are these Western horror stories about China - fed up ?!

[Kanatbek]

This is not against the Chinese.
The Chinese and thousands will not stop

[PKK]

I watched the video, as the T90 in Syria deflected the ATGM from itself to the side and up. On the tank something blinked and the rocket went off to the side. That's right, that's right. And take this yellow cthulhu, just throw away the money.

[niki233]

please proof or video link please.

[Limak]

Please ...
https://youtu.be/MXJv2JNB3vo

[Themi30]

Let me see, otherwise you are telling some tales here.

[Limak]

Please ...
https://youtu.be/MXJv2JNB3vo

[Themi30]

The video on Syria and on the T-90, and not this slag, you can think of the Amer M113 there along the contour, not to mention the fact that every autist will understand that these are tests, on standing targets on the sides, and the video says about BMP tests in AOE. That this is so possible is one thing, and what our T-90 did in a battle in Syria is completely different.

[aviator1913]

And there they seem to be shooting at the old Konkurs ATGM. I would like to see how he works with TOU or Kornet.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

I read the comments - mostly sarcasm! Toad strangling what Kazakhs sell tanks? Buy yourself! Well done Kazakhs - if there is demand, then sell, maybe they will order more.

[Yura]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

Toad strangling what Kazakhs sell tanks?

Is there any snobbery among the guys? Wasn't Kazakhstan a part of the USSR? Didn’t do anything for the common cause? Or just .... could my climb? It’s not even clever somehow.

[cyber]

It’s not strangling because they are selling! And from that - to whom they sell!

[Malachite]

Glad for Kazakhstan! They are trying to do something to modernize, and not beg for free weapons from Russia ....

[VNP1958PVN]

diesel engine power 840 hp

Where did they push so many horses there?

[aksakal]

Quote: VNP1958PVN

Where did they push so many horses there?

- in my opinion, the T-72 has always had such a not very large herd. In dvigun not climbed, that's for sure, according to the number of horses - - dvigun native, without modernization.

[geek2101]

Someone you're here, through one, some kind of aggressive ...
One can only rejoice for the Kazakhs - they found someone to shave off obsolete equipment without investing heavily in its additional equipment.
The main thing is that the Jordanians are suitable and this is the main thing.

[Alex69]

Most likely, Kazakhstan will modernize the T-72 in order to sell obsolete tanks and purchase new ones. Yes, and this is not a modernization, but a small update.

[Nord2015]

That parted with ernichayu. Yes well done Kazakhs. Tea is not sold by Abrams, but by UVZ products. And they will take newer money for the proceeds. If they find the T-34 and sell them, then I’ll also be happy. You can’t look and drag on your allies with a wolf. We are not dill, after all.

[Semurg]

Jordan, like our armored personnel carriers, was going to buy what they started to do in Astana, and these tanks will probably be modernized at the tank repair plant in Semey.

[Andrey KZ]

Not in the subject of course, but here

A solemn procession "There are millions of Panfilov's men" took place in Almaty, dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the feat of Panfilov's soldiers in the defense of Moscow, Tengrinews.kz reports. The purpose of the event, organized within the framework of the International Watch of Memory, is the military-patriotic education of young Kazakhstani people.

The ceremonial parade of citizens was attended by over 500 military personnel and residents of the city. The procession started from the monument of Dinmukhamed Kunaev and ended near the Eternal Flame in the park named after 28 Panfilov guardsmen. Over the course of 1100 meters, a military march accompanied the solemn march.

[Boos]

I did not know that there is a monument to Kunaev. I am glad that they do not forget the worthy leaders of the Soviet formation and time.

[Chisayna]

And they didn’t forget to put 3 (three) wooden objects in the tank?

[triglav]

The Kazakhs decided to cut the dough in an easy way ...

[starper]

The people, and what happened, well, they didn’t squander like some Soviet equipment, moreover, they modernized and sold, so why? Well done and our lovers of banquets for 10 lyam, reproach.

[Gomel]

Quote: Kil 31

Did auto extinguish not work?

a common thing for poorly maintained machines if the gas or foaming agent is not dead so the sensors are inoperative / stolen / not connected (!) / tore or fail after firing. By the way, I am not aware of the exact composition of the fire safety equipment of the t-72 tanks. It seems to be foam and gas, but what is being put now?

[Chisayna]

There was no foam, there was freon. In whom, the tank had a button: in case of fire in the fighting compartment, press. Well, and an automatic fire extinguishing system.

[vic58]

I remembered the joke:
A man gives a woman a fur coat.

- Honey, it's a rabbit, it will be cold in it!

- Nothing, the rabbit walked in it all his life and did not freeze.

[Chisayna]

And who squandered? Ukraine is most likely. And in Russia, this Soviet legacy was in bulk. According to the former SibVo, only 4 (four) CBRTs. One of them, station Divizionnaya in Ulan-Uda, brought me like that, business affairs. So there 3 (three ) thousands of tanks, from storage of them T-72 of different mod, 2 (two) thousand. And you say squandered.

[Kanatbek]

BUT they are not on the move

[mr.grin19z]

who only did not pervert over t 72 one figs he was ours and remained him, and as for China they have a very good technique, even when compared with European

[lopvlad]

T-72KZ tanks

use with might and main "independent" states Russian developments earning money. Well, only allies and then even young "Europeans" are members of NATO.

[Ivan the Fool]

The Ukrainian version is in the photo, and the Israelis show the correct photos !!!!!!!!

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Forgot about it, it remains only ................ to sign !!!!!!!!!!

During a visit to Israel, Kazakh Minister of Defense Adilbek Dzhaksybekov and Israeli Minister of Defense Moshe Yaalon signed an agreement on military-technical cooperation in Tel Aviv on January 20. Israeli President Shimon Peres during a meeting with Adilbek Dzhaksybekov proposed to conduct joint exercises of the armed forces of the two countries at Kazakhstan's training grounds.

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Kazakh tank for sale sounds like a box automatic for a light car ......... Russian production !!!!!!!!

[marshes]

Quote: Ivan-

During a visit to Israel

It is unlikely that there is Israel, mainly the TMS Turkish, South Korea-Aselan, Aselan optics, etc. In Astana they do, collect.
"Giblets" in general can be from different manufacturers, Germany, Turkey, Y. Korrey and Russia.
By the way, Gurkhan was surprised by the Kazakhstan BMPT, they made a modernization a little for the better and he seriously differed from the UVZ of the terminator.

[Ivan the Fool]

The most important state for Kazakhstan in this region is ................. IZ.r.a.i.l. This year America is on the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[marshes]

Quote: Ivan-

The most important state for Kazakhstan in this region is ................. IZ.r.a.i.l.

What Israel, they don’t buy anything from us. Yes, and there is no Pope street, there is no monument.
Jordan, at least buy some grain industrial products.

[Mig-31]

I see trolls from all over the Russian Federation come here? Well, after that, good-neighborly and friendly relations? Mania of greatness crushes you, everyone has not learned how to communicate with non-Russians on an equal footing and everyone is high, look? then say that there are only traitors around. Well, how after such statements by many Russians to have what kind of friendship? Yes, we are pushing the T-72KZ into Jordan, and in no way did we deploy this tank from scratch right down to the cogs, so what? Do you have to troll? Well, all of you.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

Dauren - never mind - just the end of the work week and all the fools are now letting off steam ...

[Malachite]

Quote: Mig-31

I see trolls from all over the Russian Federation come here? Well, after that, good-neighborly and friendly relations? Mania of greatness crushes you, everyone has not learned how to communicate with non-Russians on an equal footing and everyone is high, look? then say that there are only traitors around. Well, how after such statements by many Russians to have what kind of friendship? Yes, we are pushing the T-72KZ into Jordan, and in no way did we deploy this tank from scratch right down to the cogs, so what? Do you have to troll? Well, all of you.

Why immediately trolls, imperials, etc. ? It’s just a shame that our tanks were hung with an Israeli hinge and are selling under your logo ..! With Kalash, the same garbage, everyone produces and no one pays Russia?

[Mowgli]

Quote: Mowgli

Why immediately trolls, imperials, etc. ? Just a shame our tanks hung with an Israeli hinge and sell under your logo ..! With Kalash, the same garbage, everyone produces and no one pays Russia?

Yes, these are Soviet tanks.
Soviet!
Factories could be built both in Kazakhstan, and Ukraine, and in Kyrgyzstan, and even in the Baltic states. Built in the RSFSR.
But he built the Soviet Union, and not exclusively the RSFSR.
So you can calm down a bit, Omperts ;-)

[Your friend]

Quote: Mig-31

I see trolls from all over the Russian Federation come here? Well, after that, good-neighborly and friendly relations? Mania of greatness crushes you, everyone has not learned how to communicate with non-Russians on an equal footing and everyone is high, look? then say that there are only traitors around. Well, how after such statements by many Russians to have what kind of friendship? Yes, we are pushing the T-72KZ into Jordan, and in no way did we deploy this tank from scratch right down to the cogs, so what? Do you have to troll? Well, all of you.

Oh my god, are you offended? Uti ways.
Who says there are traitors around? Who looks down on you? How do you think about Russians, "well, how are good-neighborly and friendly relations after that?"
Aren't you funny yourself? Kindergarten...

[pytar]

Very accurately said! Delusions of grandeur and petty crap! The trolls are crazy and then they are surprised that everyone hates them! True, most trolls are in fact pin-up-sovskie and pretend to be Russian. They try to quarrel peoples and set one against the other on an ethnic, and indeed on every other principle.

[Ivan the Fool]

Let them supply it for civilized countries and for money, and not how Russians give it for free, I saw there armored personnel carriers 82 and Kamaziks, for which 39 million Russians pay over 60 years old, according to statistics.ru! Syria is not included in this list if they can’t ........ make a deal, each other’s brother-in-law is already 59 months old!

[Your friend]

Quote: Ivan-

Let them supply it for civilized countries and for money, and not how Russians give it for free, I saw there armored personnel carriers 82 and Kamaziks, for which 39 million Russians pay over 60 years old, according to statistics.ru! Syria is not included in this list if they can’t ........ make a deal, each other’s brother-in-law is already 59 months old!

Mine is yours not to understand, druh.)

[Ivan the Fool]

The mono-national army of Putin’s Russia is fighting in some kind of Syria, judging by the losses, not only Russians from Russia, but from rk are fighting in daish !!!!!!
Earlier it was reported that the State Committee for National Security of Kyrgyzstan, in anticipation of the latest SCO summit in Bishkek, neutralized a group of militants deployed in the republic to organize terrorist attacks in the Kyrgyz capital, the group included a citizen of Kazakhstan.

According to intelligence, this group of militants, having received a task from foreign ideologists and MTO leaders, was sent from Syria to the republic with the aim of organizing the preparation and commission of high-profile terrorist attacks in Bishkek and the city’s southern capital, Osh.

The neutralized tergroup included, in addition to the citizens of Kyrgyzstan, also a citizen of neighboring Kazakhstan. All of them took part in hostilities in Syria as part of terrorist groups.

"According to the information of the Kazakh embassy in Bishkek, among the detained persons there is a citizen of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Sergey Anatolyevich Leskevich, born in 1988, a native of the city of Tokmak, the Chui region of Kyrgyzstan," the message says.

A criminal case was initiated against the detainees under the articles "terrorism", "illegal possession of firearms and ammunition", as well as "mercenary activities" of the Criminal Code of the republic. At present, the bodies of the State Committee for National Security are continuing a complex of counter-terrorism and operational-investigative measures, the department noted.

[Your friend]

You will be cured, you just calm down.)

[avt]

Quote: Your friend

You will be cured, you just calm down.)

Maidan is not being treated, especially today, when on their streets, "Get out Pandu!"

[Valera999]

Yomayo how much rubber is on the tank, Belshina is crying for orders. !!!!

[marshes]

Quote: Valera999

Yomayo how much rubber is on the tank, Belshina is crying for orders. !!!!

Belshina is the most sold rubber in Kazakhstan , especially as customs duties, Belarus and Russia sold, raised the Chinese rubber, by the way now, the Chinese, not bad in quality, are approaching the Japanese, the Japanese have invested. Even the United States panicked at the same time about Chinese rubber.

[Chisayna]

A bandage on road wheels and aprons on tanks made of rubber.

[marshes]

Quote: Chisain

A bandage on road wheels and aprons made of rubber.

Perhaps Russian, by the way, the tracks can be from the T-90.
So interesting.
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2012/05/blog-post_227.html
So for BMPT. For tanks and TOS, in Kazakhstan they could upgrade to.

With BMPT, things are even more interesting! First demonstrated at the parade in Astana in 2011, this fire support vehicle from the Kazakh army has significant differences from the UVZ exhibition model. Then, for some reason, no one paid attention to it - but in vain!

Let's start with the little things:
- in front of the driver's viewing device on the "Relikt" DZ bow module, bullet-breaker strips were made similar to those on the St. Petersburg modernized tank "Object 219M" [1];
- at the stern there are additional ZiP boxes [2];
- changed the design (ototehnologichna?) combat module [3];
- standard tracks T-90 instead of tracks with "oblique" lug on the prototype BMPT [4]
And now the most important thing:
- the panoramic sight was replaced [5] - instead of the BO7K1 panoramic sight with a low-level television channel, with a laser rangefinder, a panoramic sight with a thermal imaging channel was installed, similar to the sight of the modernized T-90MS tank. Thus, "the ground was knocked out from under the feet of the critics" who criticized the BMPT JMA for the absence of a TPV channel in the panorama.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus

Dauren - never mind - just the end of the work week and all the fools are now letting off steam ...

Yes, it's a shame just! Nevertheless, we are descendants of the great Soviet Union, although we have different skin colors, but we have one story, one mentality, we speak the same great language. Because of such people, we had a public schism, and as always, the Uzbek, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, and Chechen, but not Russian, were to blame. Discard megalomania and everything will be type top.

[Malachite]

Quote: Mig-31

Because of such people, we had a public schism, and as always, the Uzbek, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, and Chechen, but not Russian, were to blame. Discard megalomania and everything will be type top.

Well, don't tell me .. "megalomania" appeared back in the 90s among the small peoples of the former USSR .. Where do not rush everywhere the founders of the "universe on the planet .." (ancient Ukrainians, for example) ... And the Kazakhs also did not lag behind (they didn't cut the Russians of course, it was close to that)
As soon as we began to talk a little (about ourselves, as a fundamental nation in everything!) And become stronger ... Immediately screams (Imperials, Russians go, etc.) Use for now what the USSR has given you (Russians, specifically) We are not vindictive ... And now we no longer allow us to insult us, and we can give it hard in the face so that we remember!

[Arbogast]

Quote: Malachite

..And the Kazakhs also did not lag behind (did not cut the Russians, of course, it was close to that)

Nadorezali means, with

Quote: Malachite

We are not vindictive ... But now we will no longer allow us to insult us and we can give it hard in the face so that we remember!

Oh, here you are without a helmet - Meehan LCN ..

[Generalissimo]

Everything explicitly started in Kazakhstan in 1986 and was cut like that.

[Aposlya]

Whom did they kill in 86? Actually, Kazakh students were drenched then - they were taken out to the steppes in the wet frost and there they were left to die for the 100th kilometer ...
Stop your stories here ...

[Generalissimo]

Russian. In 1916, too, what happened to the students?
I'm not interested in stoned "karbyshev mice" ...

[cyber]

And in your opinion only Russian should be to blame? Or do you have frostbite on your ears to spite the Russians? These tanks from Kazakhstan could easily start killing Russians when they fall into the hands of terrorists. Given the position of Jordan on the Syrian issue, this is more than likely. And you here pretend to be "felt boots" on the forum and supposedly do not understand why the Russians dared to be indignant! Move the arrows to the alleged "arrogance" of the Russians, supposedly this is the reason.

[Malachite]

Quote: cyber

And in your opinion only Russian should be to blame? Or do you have frostbite on your ears to spite the Russians? These tanks from Kazakhstan could easily start killing Russians when they fall into the hands of terrorists. Given the position of Jordan on the Syrian issue, this is more than likely. And you here pretend to be "felt boots" on the forum and supposedly do not understand why the Russians dared to be indignant! Move the arrows to the alleged "arrogance" of the Russians, supposedly this is the reason.

Think correctly ..! Especially Israeli "tank attachments" to Jordan, and then where will they appear? I can even imagine the headlines of the Western media "Kazakh tanks, destroying the Russians in Syria .." And they will definitely appear there. gentlemen Kazakhs! Bred you like suckers!

[Ros 56]

Something I did not understand, we have that, all and sundry make the former Soviet technology, or rather a parody of it. The only successor to the USSR is the Russian Federation, and only it has the right to produce former Soviet equipment. Everyone else must buy a patent or a license to copy it. How is it in our country with patent rights, or do we only know how to spread rot on our "Kulibins"? State Duma, can you only adopt laws on increasing wages for your loved ones? Maybe someone knows something about this?

[Professor]

Quote: Ros 56

The only successor to the USSR is the Russian Federation, and only it has the right to produce former Soviet equipment.

All 15 republics of the BSSSR are successors.
Everyone can absolutely legally produce Soviet equipment since it was not her that the corresponding copyright was issued.

Quote: Ros 56

Everyone else should buy a patent or license to copy it.

It is impossible to buy something that is not in nature.

[Ros 56]

Quote: professor

All 15 republics of the BSSSR are successors

You are confusing something, dear, by agreement with the other republics, we paid the debts of the USSR and only we are the heirs of the Union.
But the fact that they did not register the rights is bad, for this many thanks to our idiot officials
And on your second comment, about what is not.
An elementary agreement is concluded, and on the basis of this agreement, what appears is what you say is not.

[Professor]

Quote: Ros 56

You are confusing something, dear, by agreement with the other republics, we paid the debts of the USSR and only we are the heirs of the Union.

No dear, I do not confuse. At the death of the scoop, he left 15 heirs, and not one as you try to imagine. Russia began to negotiate with the rest of the successors on their rejection of claims. She took over the debts of the scoop, but also the property of the scoop abroad, and so on.

Quote: Ros 56

An elementary agreement is concluded, and on the basis of this agreement, what appears is what you say is not.

Where there are patents, no agreements are needed. Everything is clear there. By the way, if there was a patent for T-72, then its validity would have expired long ago.

Quote: Hook

If all 15 republics are considered the successors of the USSR, then why only Russia was loaded with debts and obligations of the USSR ??? They didn’t work hard, they would profit in half, and let Russia pay the debts))

... and appropriated ALL the property of the USSR abroad. transferred all the debts of other countries to the USSR to themselves, etc.

Quote: Your friend

Absolute nonsense.))

Thank you for the detailed and detailed answer.

[Your friend]

Quote: professor

Thank you for the detailed and detailed answer.

No thanks. I am always glad to answer your "comments".)

[Your friend]

Quote: professor

All 15 republics of the BSSSR are successors.
Everyone can absolutely legally produce Soviet equipment since it was not her that the corresponding copyright was issued.

Absolute nonsense.)))

[tilix]

or we only know how to spread rot on our "Kulibins"

Well so for verification, the Kulibins turned out to be the Kulibinshteins, and dumped in Israel, and there they continue the galaxy and traditions. (As a banter, Kulibiny do not be offended please).

[Chisayna]

Oh, if everyone would have dumped, and so empty idle talk.

[tilix]

Oh, if everyone would fall down

And what did you personally do to make this dream come true? It turns out that chatter is yours?

[shans2]

An Englishman leaves without saying goodbye, but a Jew says goodbye and does not leave (s)

[Chisayna]

Yes, you drive him out the door and he climbs out the window. These are unstoppable people.

[andj61]

Quote: tilix

Well so for verification, the Kulibins turned out to be the Kulibinshteins, and dumped in Israel, and there they continue the galaxy and traditions.

I do not agree! Firstly, it’s not the Kulibenstein, but the Kulbinmans, and secondly, they were not dumped at all in Israel. In response to the complaints of some VO regulars that the military industry of Israel, including aviation and tank building, as well as the rocket and nuclear industry is developing thanks to immigrants from the USSR, Oleg Sokolov asked once to name specific names of specific people. And no one could do this ... So these successes are not the merits of our Soviet people, unfortunately.
Or Oleg Sokolov in this, as usual, scrolled, performing the usual test for erudition?
Greetings, Alexander!

[tilix]

Good afternoon, dear, and for God's sake

(As a banter, Kulibiny do not be offended please).

I am fully aware of the talents of Russian people.
About the Israeli war industry, Oleg Sokolov is right, I would be the first to be proud if it were so, compatriots, no matter how. And in the Nobel laureates of Israel there are no immigrants from Russia. It turns out that there is a scientific life outside of Russia, and even successful.

[Professor]

Quote: andj61

In response to the complaints of some VO regulars that the military industry of Israel, including aviation and tank building, as well as the rocket and nuclear industry is developing thanks to immigrants from the USSR, Oleg Sokolov asked once to name specific names of specific people. And no one could do this ... So these successes are not the merits of our Soviet people, unfortunately.

Let's dot all the i. Once and not forever, so this topic will have to come back in view of the bias of the members of the forum.
Big Aliyah has made a great contribution to the Israeli economy, culture, science and society. IMHO the greatest contribution to society. A contribution was also made to the military-industrial complex, but not as big as it might seem to many. Causes:
1. Tolerance of secrecy. They did not serve in the army, a bunch of relatives abroad, etc. There are only rare exceptions. My classmate, moreover a Jew by his wife, headed the design bureau of an Israeli famous enterprise.
2. The military-industrial complex is a warm place and no strangers are taken to warm places.
3. Language, cultural, educational barrier. Hebrew must be well-known, as is English. Know the local automated control systems, etc.
4. The lack of staffing hunger in this area.
5. Willingness of "Russians" to go to almost any job.
6. The poor quality of Soviet education — the inflation of education — has undermined the credibility of good specialists.

Thus, the developed industry was in Israel even before the big Aliyah. There was also a machine gun, a tank, an airplane, a rocket launcher, a satellite, a TV, etc. Did tens of thousands of visiting engineers and scientists help. Of course they helped. Let them go. There is work for everyone, even if not in the military-industrial complex.

Quote: andj61

Or Oleg Sokolov in this, as usual, scrolled, performing the usual test for erudition?

Sometimes a troll, but "as usual"?

[andj61]

Quote: professor

Let's dot all the i. Once and not forever, so this topic will have to come back in view of the bias of the members of the forum.

Honestly, I once discussed this topic with you about a year and a half ago, and having plunged into the "topic" I realized that I was mistaken, and you are right.
And as for the prejudice of the members of the forum - out of thousands there are always dozens of active users for whom the Israeli flag itself is an irritant. And a hundred of those who put a minus, especially without going into the essence of the discussion. But thousands of people who are not so active do not share this opinion - and prejudice - all the same. But they are either lazy or unwilling to indicate their position.
You are a special case in general! Many people react not to the information submitted itself, but to the way it is presented - a rugged, figurative language on the verge of trolling with a big bit of sarcasm. And many are offended - however, in vain! And then there's the Israeli flag ...
I was ashamed when the people last year attacked you out of the blue - and as a result, you were absent from VO for a long time. The site just lost it.
Yes, and more recently, there was also about the same case - they threw minuses to you almost out of the blue.

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

The poor quality of Soviet education — the inflation of education — undermined

-
here lies. Moreover, until now, that education that was called Soviet, more precisely, even that which remained of it in Kazakhstan, surpasses the western one. Many acquaintances in the zero, as money appeared, sent their households to the west to study. At the same school Helly Berry in England. Still spit. They don’t really teach anything. I will not say this about Western universities, especially leading ones, but all my friends spit and regret for Western school education. But the foundation is in school education. So it’s not even clear how the Harvard and Massachusetts manage to pull their ignoramuses to some level with such a base?
Surprised China. There were a lot of spits in the direction of China, but the school of China is one of the toughest! There, in mathematics (the Queen of Sciences!), Derivatives are already in the sixth grade, and in high school they are studying with might and main what in our country, in higher educational institutions, they are called Vysshmat.
I don’t know what you're talking about when grouting about poor education. And Jews who left the USSR to Israel, who within the USSR could not yet become oligarchs, and therefore they realized themselves in the USSR on a scientific field in various research institutes. You about them here

Quote: professor

Low quality of Soviet education - inflation education -

? You can immediately blacklist again, but again I accuse you of lying. For this cannot be, because it cannot. I personally know a bunch of Jews (and still friends with some) who had left for Israel at one time - there are definitely no illiterate people there, they are all candidates or even doctors. And in the Soviet Higher Attestation Commission you wouldn’t get exactly for the beautiful eyes of a candidate!

[Professor]

Quote: aksakal

here lies.

Of course a lie. Any Soviet party and correspondence from the Mukha Polytechnic will give odds to a bourgeois graduate. And the fact that his university in the world ranking of universities in the 20th thousandth place is the machinations of the imperialists.

Quote: aksakal

Moreover, until now, that education that was called Soviet, more precisely, even that which remained of it in Kazakhstan, surpasses the western one.

Whatever the child would entertain ... Oxford graduates nervously smoke on the side envious of graduates of the self-faculty of a provincial university.

Quote: aksakal

Many acquaintances in the zero, as money appeared, sent their households to the west to study. At the same school Helly Berry in England. Still spit. They don’t really teach anything.

Because education is not offered there out of hand. If you want, study, if you do not want, sit like that. So the major kids sit out like in Peter's times. That would be to look at their certificate. There you can see all the marks "attended the course". And all the cool PRIVATE WESTERN SCHOOL GRADUATES returned home.

Quote: aksakal

So it’s not even clear how the Harvard and Massachusetts manage to pull their ignoramuses to some level with such a base?

Now you understand?

Quote: aksakal

I don’t know what you're talking about when grouting about poor education.

I can tell you how a third of my group studied, how they did term papers, how they took exams, how the dean’s daughter passed exams.

Quote: aksakal

You can immediately blacklist again, but again I accuse you of lying.

You can blame it for anything, but education inflation is on the face. Every second has a higher education diploma. Graduates of "colleges" that used to be vocational schools come and wave their diplomas (college in the West is already a university). There is nothing to even talk about with them, the level of knowledge is zero. Graduates of higher educational institutions (now all of them academies and universities) mostly fail at interviews, do not pull on knowledge. And even with a scoop, correspondence students and evening students received the same diplomas as we did, but that's how they studied !!!
So it turns out that when I entered a Western university, they demanded (unlike Western graduates) to pass practical exams. They threw up their hands and said that "a lot of yours are coming." I passed TerMech without any problems and entered their university. And I have something to compare with.

About what kind of "doctors of sciences" are coming in general I will not say anything. Any bureaucrat is already a doctor of sciences. A shame.

[Ros 56]

Quote: tilix

Kulibins turned out to be Kulibinshteins

In addition to the "steins", there were a lot of Russians, such as Gryazev, Kalashnikov, Dragunov, Shipunov - to list them all, a day is not enough.

[tilix]

good afternoon and please do not be offended

(As a banter, Kulibiny do not be offended please)

I agree

In addition to the "mattes" there were a lot of Russians

and I am fully aware of the talents of Russian people.

[andj61]

Quote: tilix

good afternoon and please do not be offended

Duc it - I have the same banter as you do - in the first part of the post ...

[tilix]

Fans of sarcasm ... understand each other from a half-mast
We still have to work and work.>

[Chisayna]

Yes, and the Tula Arms School originated when some people were not in Russia at all.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Mig-31

Quote: KazaK Bo

GSH-18
This is not a "duck" but a "wedge"
Well, okay, they’ve blinded from what they could and will be. On the ride.

Jordan recently asked Russia (there was such info) to sell them heavy weapons (it should be understood that this was understood as tanks) ... But our Oboronexport EXCELLENTLY UNDERSTAND THESE TANKS WILL QUICKLY BE PROVIDED BY ISIS, AND SO JORDAN WAS REFUSED ...
I am sure that this is why a purchase was made in Kazakhstan of heavy weapons, that is, tanks, albeit outdated models, but few modernized (TURKEY TOGETHER !!!!!!) ... for dushmans ... basmachi and other rabble with ISIS will do ...
On the lack of fish and Kazakh tanks from long-term storage warehouses, a good catch!

And when Russia sold its BMP and armor c1 to Saudi Arabia, the leadership of Russia also did not think that the BMP and armor would not be with ISIS? You don’t notice the log in your eye.

Sorry, not for you

[ingenera]

I was also surprised at most of the comments. This is what is called "great power chauvinism." If you treat your allies this way, you can easily lose them. And long ago it is necessary to stop talking about the backwardness of the same China. Not everything is done there on the knee. The Germans in the last war did not respect us as an enemy either - the result is known. And about the plywood on the tower, I'm afraid, write those who did not even hold plywood in their hands, but only read about the army on this site. Something "tank experts" divorced ... The game went to no avail. And about the Kazakhs. Freedom-loving and courageous people. And, by the way, in our tank company, half of the driver-mechanics were either Kazakhs or from Kazakhstan. They served very well.

[cyber]

ingenera, I even did not understand your idea. All around the Russians are so freedom-loving and courageous, and the Russians are worse? Or is it "petty-power chauvinism"? As soon as Russia begins to show a firm position (on any issue), accusations of chauvinism, revanchism and other nonsense immediately pour in! Have you tried to treat Russians (Russia) as your loved ones?

[ingenera]

Wrote only about comments. In addition, on one-sixth of the land there is only one industry - Soviet (where it is not yet about ... whether. And we must be glad for the Kazakhs that they had the resources for modernization. That's just what I meant. what is Russia and the firmness of its position? An article about the sale of tanks by Kazakhstan. Most of the "experts" immediately began to "be smart" about plywood and cardboard.

[cyber]

Yes, I'm glad for them that I found resources, etc. etc. I'm all for it. But why shouldn't allies think about their heads before selling tanks to a state that supports terrorists in Syria? And acts contrary to the interests of Russia! You see, we jokingly criticized the "plywood tank protection" and we can lose our ally in the face of Kazakhstan! If these are allies who are ready to get lost because of such a trifle, then what will happen if severe days come? Will they drain an ally right away? What is this nonsense? Why should the allies not be afraid of losing Russia as an ally, while Russia should always be afraid and keep allies around it with buns? Either Belarusians show their own initiative, then Kazakhstan ... tell me honestly: why do you need an alliance? To decide only your own interests? Or still act as a whole within the union? dad is flirting with the European Union, Kazakhstan is selling tanks to the potentially enemy side of Russia. All independent are just kapets ...

[Kasym]

What makes you think that Jordan is an enemy of Russia. King Abdullah (by the way, combat pilot, he himself participated in the Daesh bombing) in Moscow is a very frequent guest. You can then accuse the Russian Federation of increasing tension in the Tax Code. Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis are selling weapons. I don’t remember something that Jordan resold heavy weapons. She was even ordered to create a joint list of terrorist organizations.
And someone who, but Kazakhstan did not stand in line for Russian handouts and buns. And for "a single whole" he spoke out since 1993 and did not sign Belovezhskaya papers.

[tilix]

(by the way, combat pilot

To clarify, he is a pilot of a cobra helicopter in the Jordanian special forces, and therefore could not participate in the bombing. Well, you know who is supplying these helicopters to them.

[Kasym]

Sasha, thanks for the hint! I just knew that I was flying on "combat" missions personally.
And Abdullah is a close friend of Nazarbayev and a frequent guest in Kazakhstan. Therefore, I am not surprised by the purchase of tanks and armored personnel carriers from us. Jordan is a poor country, therefore, it behaves decently against the background of its neighbors.
AWT, good evening! I think it is inappropriate to compare T-72 with M-60 and M-48. And I don’t think they will take much. They ordered 50 armored personnel carriers, I think they will take the same number of tanks. We have enough tanks. During the January surprise check in the south alone, 300 tanks were driven to the proving grounds. We have restored the repair of the T-72 and has been on the state defense order since 11. There are even videos on the net. There we repair all our BTTs. And there is a new plant in Astana for armored personnel carriers. And in the region there are no more such armored "kulaks" as we have (even if the whole Central Asia unites its own armored vehicles, it will not be stronger). And the PRC does not even have such a number of tanks in the XUAR. We even had the BTR-80A (this one with a 30-mm cannon) even earlier than in the Russian Federation. I believe that it makes no sense for us to seriously rearm the BTT. If, with UVZ, we implement plans for BMPT and T-90 and bring the old T-72 to them (T-90 and BMPT), then we will be head and shoulders above our neighbors. After all, we adopted the program for the modernization of our weapons earlier than the Russian Federation. Somewhere since 2007. Therefore, somewhere in 2013, the authorities spoke about 70% of modernized equipment in the Armed Forces. Something like this. Take those KAMAZ trucks. As soon as the assembly has been established here, they have a decent government order for the aircraft. The whole army is already on these KAMAZ trucks, the new ones are nice to watch. Tasmagambetov (a new minister, a strong host from the NAS team), if he brings, as promised, up to 100 new armored personnel carriers per year in Astana + Semipal. BTT plant = enough for us, we can also work for the region. Therefore, there is no problem with BTT in Kazakhstan. We are worried about ammunition factories - they have all sold tobacco, now they realized that there were no cartridges. Air defense was also strengthened by the supply of S-300s from the Russian Federation. All the Russians write that it’s for nothing. But they forget that we passed about 1000 poison. warhead., all aircraft carriers. And there were agreements on air defense and aviation in exchange for our poison. arsenal. And now a unified air defense is being created.

[tilix]

Jordan, IMHO, in the most difficult position of the Arab countries which "spring" touched, if not for the black September spent by Hussein (father of Abdullah 2), and not the support of Israel - Jordan would not exist today. It smolders quietly, but it can flare up very hot. Well, Abdullah 2, according to tradition, is trying to go through these turbulent times along a very narrow perch.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

ABT, good evening!

Quote: Kasym

! I think it’s inappropriate to compare the T-72 with the M-60 and M-48.

Not to me, not to me - to the professor.

Quote: Kasym

I believe that for now there is no reason for us to seriously rearm BTT.

,, Palytyticheskaya nayvnost " to have an armored fist from, albeit the old T-72, but brought to the level of modernization to put next to the T-90, and even with trained crews, is worth a lot. As Sedoy Gafar and Khudoyberdoev immediately recalled in Tajikistan, of all but our 201st, those who had tanks and were in the first stage were ladies. Yes, and Syria showed the importance of MBT.

Quote: Kasym

Tasmagambetov (new minister, strong host from the NAS team), if he brings as promised to the new 100 armored personnel carriers per year

Are these a screwdriver from South Africa? Well, yes, it really will make the infantry sustainable.

Quote: Kasym

. Air defense was also strengthened by the supply of S-300 from the Russian Federation.

Are these the ones we have taken off duty on duty? Interestingly - already podshamanili and put on duty?

Quote: Kasym

All Russians write that for nothing. But they forget that we transmitted about 1000 poison. warhead., all aircraft carriers. And there were agreements on air defense and aviation to replace our poison. arsenal.

Well, there seems to be a lease for Baikonur B. Su-27s were transferred to the 90s when we themselves considered new things a year from all plants, and no one wanted to take the Su-34 despite showing at exhibitions like Su-32! Barely after 90s until 2006 they made 7 pieces. Well, now it’s a little easier and Kazakhstan has bought new 30s and our pilots seem to have dragged yours — quite decent devices.

Quote: Kasym

And now a unified air defense is already being created.

Well, here I am still a pessimist. I believe that things will not go beyond exchanging data on the air situation, well, there is no single center for deciding on destruction with obligatory execution by national structures, without regard to their own local national command. Well, I do not see an analogue of NORAD In my understanding, this is really ONE air defense.

Quote: tilix

Well, Abdullah 2, by tradition, is trying to go through these turbulent times through a very narrow perch.

Well, his daddy made such a “perch” at one time to the Palestinians .... with artillery - Mama Daragai.

[Kasym]

ABT, that's what I mean. To upgrade (even repair) the T-72 and several hundred (300 normal) to bring to the level of T-90 this is enough for the region. And 980 (if they really are alive) tanks is more than 3 times more than that of Germany. Therefore, I see no reason in purchasing the T-14 in the near future. Refine, put in the troops, break in. We can only then think about it.
Su-27s came to us only in 98 - then Russia also began to give something for rent. But they were with "killed" resources. But on the Su-30. Signed to the squadron, but so far only 4 have taken. We'll see.
I think, according to air defense, that not stupid people are sitting upstairs, especially the military. Therefore, agree. This is in the mutual interest.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

But on the Su-30. They signed up for the squadron, but so far only 4 have taken it. We will see.

Well, they still need to be done. They’ll do it, well, maybe in the light of the current situation and threats they will ask the deadlines to move to the right, but they will. The car has been mastered in series, the car is good, so the choice is right for Kazakhstan, then you can safely switch to the 5th generation right away.

Quote: Kasym

I see no reason in purchasing the T-14 in the near future. Refine, put in the troops, break in. We can only then think about it.

Well, something like that for Kazakhstan, let's say frankly - an excess, well, if only we were not going to fight with China, with its tank fleet. A well-modernized T-72 will last for a long time.

Quote: Kasym

. And 980 (if they really are alive) tanks is more than 3 times more than that of Germany.

The pocket does not pull up, all the more so because of the climatic conditions in Kazakhstan they can be stored in a very high degree of readiness, well, not like in Kharkov - with a pile and empty cases.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

What makes you think that Jordan is an enemy of Russia. King Abdullah (by the way, combat pilot, he himself participated in the Daesh bombing) in Moscow is a very frequent guest.

There is real, not everything is so simple " The Saudis sponsor and .... at the same time, they pushed the descendant of Muhamed away from the Islamic shrines, and besides, the Saudi rich clans on the territory of the holy Islamic places themselves were removed from the country's leadership. The elite is really divided among the Saudis and those who breathe exactly with the Jordanians, not in power, but with money. Abdullah's relations with GDP seem to be really above average, well, not lower than Erdogan's. Although he is a SAS graduate ,, Erdogan is a coward, Abdallah is a warrior "paratrooper And - what's the point in him twitching strongly, if the Naglo-Saxons Great Jordan have already drawn him, but ..... the descendant of Muhammad will not get the holy Islamic places - there will be a new state. The principle - "divide and rule" has not been canceled by the Naglo-Saxons. Well, I don’t know, I agree more with the professor

Quote: professor

I don’t understand. Why should Jordan buy a T-72 when its tank fleet consists of bourgeois equipment created by bourgeois standards? Why buy a T-72 in Kazakhstan if you can get M-48 and M-60 upgraded in Israel for free?

Yes, and actually buy a new T -90. Again

Quote: Kasym

. We still have the T-62 and T-72. 5 pieces in storage warehouses. About 000 pcs on the run. They are upgrading at the restored Semipalatinsk BTT repair plant. They wrote that one tank was being repaired within 300 days.

How much will they make an order at such a pace and supply of components, especially if it is necessary to re-equip their own? But if they agreed, then what is so super scary? Abdullah will arm the Syrian opposition? Saudi resell to Yemen? Well, Kazakhs are going to make a fry and it’s not a fact. As it does not look solid infa.

[aksakal]

Quote: cyber

I'm all for it. But why don’t you think the Allies with their heads before selling tanks to a state that supports terrorists in Syria?

harsh words addressed to the Turkish sultan when he shot down the SU-24, Putin said in the company of the king of Jordan. Jordan - does not support terrorists. And the Russians themselves sell them not just grenade launchers, but even they developed an exclusive grenade launcher, and it’s very good, in my opinion, Hashim is called. Such developments are not made to enemies and terrorists. Would you like to study politics a little

[Arbogast]

Harooshy here "srach" began ..
Better read:

Test drive the T-72Б3 tank. Severe biathlon

http://info.drom.ru/surveys/39442/

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: ingenera

If you treat allies this way, then you can easily lose them.

Are you talking about someone, about the Kazakhs? I beg you, we are just so-so-and there can be no talk of any alliance. We went through this, and they enrolled them in the occupiers. So, leave passions as they were.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: cherkas.oe

I beg you, we are just so-so-di and there can be no talk of any kind of alliance

Someone quietly minus, but can’t say anything. Even Nazarbayev confirmed my point of view on the general attitude of bureaucratic elites and the population of Kazakhstan towards the Russians and Russia, by issuing a decree punishing officials for answering Russian in Kazakh. Tchurki and n = i-n-dos are bought by officials and the middle class through grants from their ubiquitous funds, and Nazarbayev alone cannot cope with this.

[Malachite]

"comrades" from Israel rushed to defend Kazakhstan (as well as Georgia) Hinged systems (the best in the world))) do they buy from them? And not on credit and not for tenge ...

[marshes]

Quote: Malachite

And not on credit and not for teng ...

And what worry about our well-being. Buy wisely install and sell.

[Malachite]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Malachite

And not on credit and not for teng ...

And what worry about our well-being. Buy wisely install and sell.

I already wrote the first koment ..
What a joy for Kazakhstan! What are you trying to do something to modernize, etc. Well done! (this is sincerely) The bottom line is that these basically good tanks should not be used (against Russia, in Syria, for example ..) I clearly explained ..?

[marshes]

Quote: Malachite

good tanks were not used (against Russia

Well here it depends on you.

Quote: Malachite

in Syria for example ..

Before Syria, they are allunites, we are Sunnis, Gazprom well, this is Timke Kulebaev, he is a member of the directors.
Honestly, let us ... go to Syria. In that region, we have a couple of trading partners: Turkey and Jordan.

[Malachite]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Malachite

good tanks were not used (against Russia

Well here it depends on you.

Quote: Malachite

in Syria for example ..

Before Syria, they are allunites, we are Sunnis, Gazprom well, this is Timke Kulebaev, he is a member of the directors.
Honestly, let us ... go to Syria. In that region, we have a couple of trading partners: Turkey and Jordan.

And you didn’t think about why you were going to buy these tanks suddenly ..? (especially with Israeli stuffing) And give a good price see ..? Here is the same ...

[marshes]

Quote: Malachite

And you didn’t think about why you were going to buy these tanks suddenly ..? (especially with Israeli stuffing) And give a good price see ..? Here is the same ...

FROM DAISH, he’s the Eagle’s defense.
It is strange that Russia has "taken away" half of the grain contracts from us at least Egypt, Iran, we are not outraged. Be able to compete.
Then the other day A. Tuleyev took up arms against our coal and wants to limit it. Who is to blame? TS from the EAEU? Yes, then these organizations are in FIG. People can’t bring meat from Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation.

[Your friend]

Quote: marshes

Who is to blame? CU with the EAEU? Yes in FIG then these organizations

This is the correct thought. The sense from these odkb, eaeu, ts. After all, our "soyuznichki" are always to blame for everything. Here the swamp cannot take out meat, they want to restrict coal.)

[Semurg]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Malachite

And not on credit and not for teng ...

And what worry about our well-being. Buy wisely install and sell.

just abid yes, they are the successors of the USSR want to sell all licenses and patents for Soviet technology, and they are told, who are you, come on bye. You understand, they can sell BMP, armor, etc. to the Gulf countries, to the same Kingdom of Jordan, to sell the production of hashim grenade launchers, and to others, no-no, noisy, noisy, and about the "knife in the back" remember.

[igorek4515]

And didn’t you try to treat Russians (Russia) as your beloved?

but such a relationship should be MUTUAL. and not one-sided .. Only then something sensible of this will turn out .. Otherwise, only hostility in the end ..

[Don36]

And then they will again trample to Russia, ask for weapons, for free, as with the S-300 air defense systems delivered to Kazakhstan free of charge. It is time for Russia to stop feeding and arming the republics that separated from Russia for free. Independent states should feed and arm themselves, at their own expense, and not at the expense of Russia.

[marshes]

Quote: Don36

as with the S-300 air defense systems delivered to Kazakhstan free of charge.

Due to landfills and radar in Balkhash, where it’s free.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: KazaK Bo

GSH-18
This is not a "duck" but a "wedge"
Well, okay, they’ve blinded from what they could and will be. On the ride.

Jordan recently asked Russia (there was such info) to sell them heavy weapons (it should be understood that this was understood as tanks) ... But our Oboronexport EXCELLENTLY UNDERSTAND THESE TANKS WILL QUICKLY BE PROVIDED BY ISIS, AND SO JORDAN WAS REFUSED ...
I am sure that this is why a purchase was made in Kazakhstan of heavy weapons, that is, tanks, albeit outdated models, but few modernized (TURKEY TOGETHER !!!!!!) ... for dushmans ... basmachi and other rabble with ISIS will do ...
On the lack of fish and Kazakh tanks from long-term storage warehouses, a good catch!

And nothing that in Jordan there is a factory built by us for the assembly of our RPG-32 "Hashim" kits

[cyber]

Quote: igorek4515

And didn’t you try to treat Russians (Russia) as your beloved?

but such a relationship should be MUTUAL. and not one-sided .. Only then something sensible of this will turn out .. Otherwise, only hostility in the end ..

Yes, we are normal towards you. Rested here on the Black Sea with your brother - no problem. Kazakhstanis feel at home in Russia, they even said that they are better than in Kazakhstan. It’s just that you didn’t do very well with Russia in this particular case — at least admit it. Russia does not show you anything. I can’t imagine, for example, that if the US ally sold any weapons to even a potential US adversary, then there would be a scandal to heaven! And Russia is silent ... even at a time when there is a direct threat to the citizens of Russia, its military in Syria due to the fact that Kazakhstan decided to earn a penny! What is this if not respectful attitude of Russia towards Kazakhstan?

[Arbogast]

Quote: Malachite

The bottom line is that these basically good tanks should not be used (against Russia, for example in Syria ..) I clearly explained ..?

Quote: cyber

It’s just that you didn’t do very well with Russia in this particular case — at least admit it. Russia does not show you anything. I can’t imagine, for example, that if the US ally sold any weapons to even a potential US adversary, then there would be a scandal to heaven! And Russia is silent ... even at a time when there is a direct threat to the citizens of Russia, its military in Syria due to the fact that Kazakhstan decided to earn a penny!

You cranks asked before driving purgen Look at least among the Jews from Israel. Jordan, as a country, is neither seen nor heard. And she tries, if possible, not to get upset at all ..
Again, when Putin spoke about the Turkish "Stab in the back", the king of Jordan was present, which speaks of the degree of the Russian president's confidence in this country, smart guys ..

[cyber]

Arbogast, I'm not a diplomat to put it around like a respected Lavrov. Maybe he expressed his opinion harshly ... BUT how is it for you:

Britain intends to work out an emergency transfer of its troops and weapons to anywhere in the world. To do this, more than 1,6 thousand troops and 300 units of armored vehicles will be sent to Jordan to participate in the Shamal Storm exercises, writes The Telegraph today.

At the same time, the newspaper's sources said that the upcoming military maneuvers had nothing to do with the fight against the militants of the Islamic State terrorist organization (Jordan borders on Syria).

"The Shamal Storm exercise could be a practice of the skills of transferring a large contingent of British armed forces to Eastern Europe in the event of a confrontation between Russia and NATO," a source in the British army explained to the publication.

Quote from http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2717712

And the Saudi princes came to Moscow, and what does that change?

[Arbogast]

Quote: KazaK Bo

THESE TANKS WILL QUICKLY PROVIDE ISIS

.

Quote: cyber

These tanks from Kazakhstan can easily start killing Russians when they fall into the hands of terrorists.

.

Quote: Malachite

I represent the headlines of the Western media "Kazakh tanks, killing Russians in Syria .." And they will definitely appear there.

Freaks with the letter "M", the Jordanians under no circumstances will transfer these tanks to ISIS, if only because the ISIS members burned their Jordanian pilot ...

Quote: cyber

I'm not a diplomat

It is seen that no. So half-educated, how do you like the above video ?!

[Mig-31]

Quote: Mig-31

And when Russia sold its BMP and armor c1 to Saudi Arabia, the leadership of Russia also did not think that the BMP and armor would not be with ISIS? You don’t notice the log in your eye.

Che minus? True eyes prick?

[hobot]

At all times, so close allies did.
All will sell to your pocket.
Then we will say at the CSTO - help, throw the tanks from the gentleman's shoulder.
Life does not teach anything.

[TORE-BATU]

Right, and as you like. Let the RF and pay.)))) You see, he is offended by the power.

[Mig-31]

Quote: cyber

And in your opinion only Russian should be to blame? Or do you have frostbite on your ears to spite the Russians? These tanks from Kazakhstan could easily start killing Russians when they fall into the hands of terrorists. Given the position of Jordan on the Syrian issue, this is more than likely. And you here pretend to be "felt boots" on the forum and supposedly do not understand why the Russians dared to be indignant! Move the arrows to the alleged "arrogance" of the Russians, supposedly this is the reason.

And which BMP and armor which Russia sold to the main sponsor of the terrorists of the SA will not fall into the hands of the so-called ISIS and Jebhat an-nusra terrorists?

[Your friend]

Quote: Mig-31

And which BMP and armor which Russia sold to the main sponsor of the terrorists of the SA will not fall into the hands of the so-called ISIS and Jebhat an-nusra terrorists?

Why are you lying, armor did not sell SA, BMP did not sell SA.)

[cyber]

Give a link to information on the supply of "Armor" by Russia to the Saudis.
As far as I know, a contract was prepared for several years for the supply of a whole range of weapons, but it was not signed. And in the near future, Russia does not plan to supply arms to the SA.
PS. Moreover, there were rumors about the desire of the SA to buy Iskander probably in order to transfer them to the Americans for study

[Mig-31]

Quote: cyber

And in your opinion only Russian should be to blame? Or do you have frostbite on your ears to spite the Russians? These tanks from Kazakhstan could easily start killing Russians when they fall into the hands of terrorists. Given the position of Jordan on the Syrian issue, this is more than likely. And you here pretend to be "felt boots" on the forum and supposedly do not understand why the Russians dared to be indignant! Move the arrows to the alleged "arrogance" of the Russians, supposedly this is the reason.

Resent then, specifically, on the occasion of the sale of the Jordanian tank, but I do not need to troll and mock.

[nrex]

What is not running around their brainchild in a tank biathlon?

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: nrex

What is not running around their brainchild in a tank biathlon?

And then they’ll manage to do it. Who will buy then? And so, even though the cat is in the bag, it’s all good for marriage.

[Yereke]

all the same, the Russian judges of the Kazakhs are slowing down in the finals, as soon as the Kazakhs begin to circumvent them ..

[marshes]

Quote: Ereke

all the same, the Russian judges of the Kazakhs are slowing down in the finals, as soon as the Kazakhs begin to circumvent them ..

The funny thing is, they write off the connection.

[Mig-31]

Quote: RUSNAC

Russia sold its infantry fighting vehicles and S1 armor to Saudi Arabia

You, sir, are mistaken. The Russian Federation is selling infantry fighting vehicles and Pantsir not to the Saudis, but to Oman and the UAE; completely sane countries.

I apologize, they didn’t sell it, but they are going to sell it. And regarding the sanity of the UAE, I would refrain from saying this

[cyber]

Promising does not mean getting married! Russia does not plan to supply any weapons to the SA! This was announced back in the summer of 2015.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Misha Honest

Here is just one maaalenky such a problem ... Jordan supports the Syrian Free Army, and according to rumors ISIS! Jordanians are pawns of Great Britain and the USA. And so everything is fine, of course ... Kazakhs, do you even think that you are supplying to whom or money doesn’t smell?

And by the way, without Russian approval, would Kazakhstan start selling? My answer is no!

[Your friend]

Quote: Mig-31

Quote: Misha Honest

Here is just one maaalenky such a problem ... Jordan supports the Syrian Free Army, and according to rumors ISIS! Jordanians are pawns of Great Britain and the USA. And so everything is fine, of course ... Kazakhs, do you even think that you are supplying to whom or money doesn’t smell?

And by the way, without Russian approval, would Kazakhstan start selling? My answer is no!

And I think yes, and I would do the right thing. Kazakhstan is a sovereign state, why should it ask Russia for permission. The Russian Federation is not the world’s gendarme.)

[Semurg]

Quote: Mig-31

Quote: Misha Honest

Here is just one maaalenky such a problem ... Jordan supports the Syrian Free Army, and according to rumors ISIS! Jordanians are pawns of Great Britain and the USA. And so everything is fine, of course ... Kazakhs, do you even think that you are supplying to whom or money doesn’t smell?

And by the way, without Russian approval, would Kazakhstan start selling? My answer is no!

Jordan turns out to be an enemy of the Russian Federation. Judging by the comments, Jordan is the “little Satan” after the “big Satan” of Turkey.

[Concept1]

Quote: Mig-31

I see trolls from all over the Russian Federation come here? Well, after that, good-neighborly and friendly relations? Mania of greatness crushes you, everyone has not learned how to communicate with non-Russians on an equal footing and everyone is high, look? then say that there are only traitors around. Well, how after such statements by many Russians to have what kind of friendship? Yes, we are pushing the T-72KZ into Jordan, and in no way did we deploy this tank from scratch right down to the cogs, so what? Do you have to troll? Well, all of you.

Dauren don't take this all seriously. Now, if crests with their pepilats climb here, then everyone will shout that the Kazakhs are great at modernizing their equipment, but you all grunted and jumped and it will be true)))

[igorek4515]

It’s just that in this particular case you did not act very well towards Russia - at least admit that. Russia is not presenting anything to you. I can’t imagine, for example, that if a US ally were to sell any weapons even to a potential enemy of the US, there would be a scandal like no other!

Since when did Jordan become an enemy of Russia..? remind me or did I miss something..? You yourself sell them weapons, the same RPG-32 Hashim, as you rightly noted here.. What are the complaints against us?..?

even at a time when there is a direct threat to Russian citizens and its military in Syria due to the fact that Kazakhstan has decided to earn a penny for itself! What is this if not Russia’s respectful attitude towards Kazakhstan?

Well, then what should we call the story with the RPG Hashim? To whom will you address the claims? Also Kazakhstan..?

[ramzes1776]

Quote: Mig-31

Quote: Misha Honest

Here is just one maaalenky such a problem ... Jordan supports the Syrian Free Army, and according to rumors ISIS! Jordanians are pawns of Great Britain and the USA. And so everything is fine, of course ... Kazakhs, do you even think that you are supplying to whom or money doesn’t smell?

And by the way, without Russian approval, would Kazakhstan start selling? My answer is no!

ISIS members will immediately notice that tanks are not a needle, but the fact that Russian RPG-32s assembled in Jordan could end up in Syria, if they haven’t already, is quite possible.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Malachite

Quote: Mig-31

I see trolls from all over the Russian Federation come here? Well, after that, good-neighborly and friendly relations? Mania of greatness crushes you, everyone has not learned how to communicate with non-Russians on an equal footing and everyone is high, look? then say that there are only traitors around. Well, how after such statements by many Russians to have what kind of friendship? Yes, we are pushing the T-72KZ into Jordan, and in no way did we deploy this tank from scratch right down to the cogs, so what? Do you have to troll? Well, all of you.

Why immediately trolls, imperials, etc. ? It’s just a shame that our tanks were hung with an Israeli hinge and are selling under your logo ..! With Kalash, the same garbage, everyone produces and no one pays Russia?

Is there at least one word "Imperials" in my comments? But don’t deny the peoples of the former Soviet Union from above. You can see in this article how more than half of those commenting are trolling and making fun of Kazakhstan.

[cyber]

Mig-31, do you have some kind of complex? I deny your nonsense. Russian culture and science really brought a lot of things to the different peoples of the USSR. You won't deny this, will you? But Russians have never treated others the way you are trying to imagine here. Russians were expelled from the Central Asian republics in the 90s, they were even killed for no reason! Or for the fact that Russian engineers helped raise industry in Central Asia during the Soviet era. People abandoned everything and fled with their families to Russia! And I have not heard that Kazakhs or Ukrainians or anyone else were forced to flee from Russia due to oppression on ethnic grounds! And we are arrogant in Russia? Dear God, be afraid to say such things in Russian!

[Your friend]

Quote: cyber

Mig-31, do you have some kind of complex? I deny your nonsense. Russian culture and science really brought a lot of things to the different peoples of the USSR. You won't deny this, will you? But Russians have never treated others the way you are trying to imagine here. Russians were expelled from the Central Asian republics in the 90s, they were even killed for no reason! Or for the fact that Russian engineers helped raise industry in Central Asia during the Soviet era. People abandoned everything and fled with their families to Russia! And I have not heard that Kazakhs or Ukrainians or anyone else were forced to flee from Russia due to oppression on ethnic grounds! And we are arrogant in Russia? Dear God, be afraid to say such things in Russian!

This is their national sport in the former republics of the USSR. Like Russia has always humiliated and destroyed everything national, spread rot and shot. And you won't change anything.

[Grif]

At one time, in the 90s, I fled from Kazakhstan to Russia, believing that these primates’ sewage systems would soon fail. It turned out I was wrong. They preserved not only the sewer system, but also the scientific and technical potential. I'm very happy about this. The time will come when we will need this.

[marshes]

Quote: Grif

At one time, in the 90s, I fled from Kazakhstan to Russia, believing that these primates’ sewage systems would soon fail. It turned out I was wrong. They preserved not only the sewer system, but also the scientific and technical potential. I'm very happy about this. The time will come when we will need this.

It’s strange, but in Almaty, the Prussian cockroaches have disappeared.

[Semurg]

Quote: Grif

At one time, in the 90s, I fled from Kazakhstan to Russia, believing that these primates’ sewage systems would soon fail. It turned out I was wrong. They preserved not only the sewer system, but also the scientific and technical potential. I'm very happy about this. The time will come when we will need this.

I understand that a plumber left a comment about his relative’s painful problem . And why are you planning to claim rights to sewerage in Kazakhstan? ? The time will come, he himself will probably understand moments, moments, moments.

[Mig-31]

Quote: RUSNAC

Quote: Mig-31

what are we minus? Does it really hurt your eyes?

Minus because it’s a lie - the Russian Federation did not sell any of this to the Saudis.

I apologize! They didn’t sell it, but were going to sell it, although the UAE has both the BMP 3 and the armored vehicle S1, and the UAE is by no means a fluffy hare.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Your friend

Quote: Mig-31

And which BMP and armor which Russia sold to the main sponsor of the terrorists of the SA will not fall into the hands of the so-called ISIS and Jebhat an-nusra terrorists?

Why are you lying, armor did not sell SA, BMP did not sell SA.)

Once again I apologize! Confused, not in SA but in the UAE.

[Malachite]

It's time for UVZ to close...! Kazakhstan began to manufacture tanks...(together with Israel..)

[Semurg]

Quote: Malachite

It's time for UVZ to close...! Kazakhstan began to manufacture tanks...(together with Israel..)

Kazakhstan is modernizing Soviet T-72s. Making tanks is too expensive. In the world, it seems like 7 or 8 countries are building tanks, the rest are using them. By the way, Israel works well in the market for modernizing Soviet weapons, both rifles, artillery, and tanks. Maybe the Russian military bureaucrats need to move their buns so that ordinary Russians don’t have to make jokes about Kazakh-Israeli modernization. For 4 or 5 years we have been asking for a joint modernization of tanks, but we were refused, and so we received a Kazakh-Israeli modernization and not a Russian-Kazakh one. Regarding the sale of weapons to the enemies of the Russian Federation, make the list official or everyone around should guess that Putin accepts Abdullah of Jordan not as a friend but as an enemy .

[Mig-31]

Quote: cyber

Russian culture and science really brought a lot of things to the different peoples of the USSR. You won't deny this, will you?

I do not deny the contribution of Russians to the countries of Central Asia, and I will sincerely thank you! But at the moment the comments that are written on this article are clearly arrogant. Why troll and bully? Well, the tank was modernized, so what? We didn’t build this tank from scratch, this tank was developed by the USSR down to the screws. If people are indignant, then be indignant specifically on the merits (about the sale), but please don’t troll.

[Your friend]

Quote: Mig-31

Quote: cyber

Russian culture and science really brought a lot of things to the different peoples of the USSR. You won't deny this, will you?

I do not deny the contribution of Russians to the countries of Central Asia, and I will sincerely thank you! But at the moment the comments that are written on this article are clearly arrogant. Why troll and bully? Well, the tank was modernized, so what? We didn’t build this tank from scratch, this tank was developed by the USSR down to the screws. If people are indignant, then be indignant specifically on the merits (about the sale), but please don’t troll.

Well, seriously. Well, whoever is trolling you, then your compatriots came running with not entirely adequate comments. So, someone is talking about their arrogance.
If I go to Kazakh forums, what do you think I will see in topics about the Russian Federation? Boundless love and respect? - I will see that Russia is to blame for a huge number of troubles in Kazakhstan.)))

[Malachite]

There are no new topics...! We’ll have to communicate with the Kazakhs and calm them down .. (boring!)))) How they became active... They are breeding them for these tanks, like “we’ll all buy up the lot and pay at once” (they’ll sell it, and then the Israeli awnings will all be removed..) The main thing that Kazakhstan delivered! heh heh...It’s sad to watch all this, and it’s worse when these “works” on a Russian basis start shooting at us...

[passenger]

often, looking at photos of Soviet-designed tanks modernized in the countries of the former USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries, it seems that the purpose of modernization is one - to hang as many “trinkets” on the armor as possible, which will give the tank more “coolness”

[Semurg]

Quote: passenger

often, looking at photos of Soviet-designed tanks modernized in the countries of the former USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries, it seems that the purpose of modernization is one - to hang as many “trinkets” on the armor as possible, which will give the tank more “coolness”

Are these trinkets dynamic protection? suo? thermal imagers? modern means of communication? The goal is to raise the efficiency of a tank developed from the last century to an acceptable level. The Armata is still stalling during parade rehearsals, and the T-90 is also a modernization of the T-72.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Your friend

Quote: Mig-31

Quote: cyber

Russian culture and science really brought a lot of things to the different peoples of the USSR. You won't deny this, will you?

I do not deny the contribution of Russians to the countries of Central Asia, and I will sincerely thank you! But at the moment the comments that are written on this article are clearly arrogant. Why troll and bully? Well, the tank was modernized, so what? We didn’t build this tank from scratch, this tank was developed by the USSR down to the screws. If people are indignant, then be indignant specifically on the merits (about the sale), but please don’t troll.

Well, seriously. Well, whoever is trolling you, then your compatriots came running with not entirely adequate comments. So, someone is talking about their arrogance.
If I go to Kazakh forums, what do you think I will see in topics about the Russian Federation? Boundless love and respect? - I will see that Russia is to blame for a huge number of troubles in Kazakhstan.)))

Go through the comments and make sure that the majority of commentators are trolling and making jokes, and I’m not talking about other sites, I’m talking specifically about those commenting on this site and this article.

[cyber]

Mig-31, well, don’t draw conclusions about the “arrogance” of Russians based on the fact that someone on the forum decided to “pin” a tank modernized by Kazakhstan. It’s not serious to draw such conclusions about the arrogance of an entire nation based on posts from the forum! Obama declared “American exceptionalism,” which means that he treats all non-Americans arrogantly, i.e. His Kazakhs are not exceptional You're not outraged about this, are you?

In general, knowing that Russia has interests in the Middle East and specifically in Syria, the Russian Aerospace Forces are now conducting military operations. Knowing that there is a threat to the Russian Aerospace Forces from Jordan (militant bases, NATO force bases), Russia’s allies, I am 100% sure of this, should have taken a responsible approach to the sale of weapons. Is it really impossible to sacrifice financial interests? Or is it all about money? Well, you won’t conquer the tank market with the T-72KZ, this is a passing project, not at all strategic - a one-time project, make money and that’s it. And these actions of yours may leave Russia with a “bad taste” towards Kazakhstan if suddenly these tanks end up in Syria. Not a fact, but what if? Do you care?

[Malachite]

Quote: Mig-31

Go through the comments and make sure that the majority of commentators are trolling and making jokes, and I’m not talking about other sites, I’m talking specifically about those commenting on this site and this article.

We have the right! We're just tired of the "trash" of our former brothers! And most importantly, it’s funny to watch how you are being scammed out of money (some strangers..)))) And you are all so proud.. Like “independent” of us... Well, well! All your “independence” Russia will have to pay for, and perhaps with blood again .How tired of all this already..! (sometimes I envy Britain, how they acted harshly and robbed half the world clearly and cynically...) Everyone loves their damn...

[marshes]

Quote: Malachite

Malachite

SIBIRBALT, have you been banned?

[Malachite]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Malachite

Malachite

SIBIRBALT, have you been banned?

Probably yes...

[pytar]

Bravo Kazakhstani! Well done! A successful modernization!

[Mig-31]

Quote: Malachite

Quote: Mig-31

Go through the comments and make sure that the majority of commentators are trolling and making jokes, and I’m not talking about other sites, I’m talking specifically about those commenting on this site and this article.

We have the right! We're just tired of the "trash" of our former brothers! And most importantly, it’s funny to watch how you are being scammed out of money (some strangers..)))) And you are all so proud.. Like “independent” of us... Well, well! All your “independence” Russia will have to pay for, and perhaps with blood again .How tired of all this already..! (sometimes I envy Britain, how they acted harshly and robbed half the world clearly and cynically...) Everyone loves their damn...

During the Great Patriotic War, did the peoples of the USSR not pay with blood? So there is no need to say here that Russia saved everyone by shedding blood.

[cyber]

How stubborn you are! Yes, Russia saved everyone! Together with other peoples of the USSR! Do you want to calculate the contribution of the RSFSR to the victory? What do you want to measure? In the amount of blood shed? Maybe we should stop comparing nations and move on to the performance characteristics of the tank?

What's up with his active protection? Is there an analogue to "Curtains"? Can it stand up to the ancient TOWs?

[mr.Deneb]

Why are they buying this tank? Because of the price? It is clear that the Russian one should be better.

[Alexdark]

Why give a fuck? Well, the fact is, the Soviet tank is covered with cardboard. It's a fact. He won't even be able to turn the tower if that's the case.

[Buck]

They played tricks on them and screwed them over to the Jordanians. I fully approve.

[Malachite]

All this is strange... For some reason, they suddenly stopped buying Ukrainian tanks (stronghold) (Kharkov Tank Plant!) But they urgently need to buy their “Lego assembly” from the Kazakhs? Maybe they lined everything inside the tank with sheep skins?

[Semurg]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Ereke

all the same, the Russian judges of the Kazakhs are slowing down in the finals, as soon as the Kazakhs begin to circumvent them ..

The funny thing is, they write off the connection.

Of course, it would be cool if all modern tanks competed in biathlon and these competitions, like Formula 1, would take place in different countries. Probably, the watchability and revenue of such a project would be high, and another discipline would be to somehow introduce shelling of an armored target and accounting not only hits but also penetration of armor.

[marshes]

Quote: Semurg

Of course, it would be cool if all modern tanks competed in biathlon and these competitions, like Formula 1, would take place in different countries. Probably, the watchability and revenue of such a project would be high, and another discipline would be to somehow introduce shelling of an armored target and accounting not only hits but also penetration of armor

Yes, ours are not bad at rolling back, they are the first in speed and in accuracy... There are problems.
In general, we know how to bike.
Here Almaty is filled with 13 and X, they drive taxis.

[Semurg]

what's the hint? Personally, I'm already an old taxi driver. Even “Rasputin” won’t hire me in his enterprise where 90% of Kazakhs from Taraz and Shchym work for him . By the way, he wrote that Shymkent and not Shymkent.

[Mcarrow]

“Why are the allies not afraid of losing Russia as an ally, but Russia must always be afraid and keep its allies around with goodies? Either the Belarusians are showing initiative, then Kazakhstan... then tell me honestly: why do you need an alliance? To solve only your own interests? Or is it all the same? to act as a single whole within the framework of the union? Dad is flirting with the European Union, Kazakhstan is selling tanks to a potentially enemy side of Russia. All independent people are just crap..."

To be honest, this is a killer question; sucking two mothers is not a problem. I think so, the problem is with patent law, if it works, then tolerate it, if not, then go to court

[marshes]

Quote: McArrow

. Then tell me honestly: why do you need an alliance?

First of all, RUSSIA needs the union, as it “painfully endures” it when the CIS countries communicate and trade with other countries.

[cyber]

How does it turn out? So Russia only? Just tell me, will you be able to defend your state sovereignty without Russia? Ukraine has also been screaming for 25 years that it is “independent”, but in the case it is now clear who is really the owner of Ukraine in Washington. Aren't you afraid that if Russia weakens its influence in Central Asia even a little, you will instantly slide into radical Islamism? And there have been signs in this direction for a long time in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and even more so in Tajikistan. Only that it is Russia that is feared and saves Central Asia from the invasion of ghouls of various stripes. So it seems to me that YOU, even more than Russia, need a union!

[marshes]

Quote: cyber

How does it turn out? So Russia only? Just tell me, will you be able to defend your state sovereignty without Russia?

Here, the Chinese are not against helping to defend their sovereignty. Even according to rumors, there are 300 thousand bayonets.

Quote: cyber

. Aren't you afraid that if Russia weakens its influence in Central Asia even a little, you will instantly slide into radical Islamism?

It’s interesting here that Kazakh nationalism saves us from radical Islamism; there is a small problem with nationalism in other nations.

Quote: cyber

Russia is feared and saves Central Asia from the invasion of ghouls of various stripes. So it seems to me that YOU, even more than Russia, need a union!

You, as a seller of Herbolife, the USA and China have been hanging out in this field for a long time, they have long given political guarantees to the current regimes - a lot of money has been invested.

[Semurg]

Quote: cyber

How does it turn out? So Russia only? Just tell me, will you be able to defend your state sovereignty without Russia? Ukraine has also been screaming for 25 years that it is “independent”, but in the case it is now clear who is really the owner of Ukraine in Washington. Aren't you afraid that if Russia weakens its influence in Central Asia even a little, you will instantly slide into radical Islamism? And there have been signs in this direction for a long time in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and even more so in Tajikistan. Only that it is Russia that is feared and saves Central Asia from the invasion of ghouls of various stripes. So it seems to me that YOU, even more than Russia, need a union!

Previously, they were afraid that the golden-armed Slavs would leave and you would be kaput - you survived the departure of a large number of Slavs; kaput did not happen. Then a new scare appeared, China - they survived the invasion of the Chinese and are doing very successful business with China, 30% of foreign trade turnover with them. Now they are frightening us with ghouls of various stripes and radical Islam in the event of the disappearance of the “umbrella of the Russian Federation,” well, we will survive this, and the country is mostly Muslim. I wonder what kind of horror story will be next, probably aliens are not in vain because the Russian Aerospace Forces appeared.

[cyber]

The US and Chinese guarantees regarding your sovereignty are not even worth the paper they are written on! And they will act as long as Russia exists as a guarantor of your independence.
Well, damn it - it looks like your “father” Nazarbayev is the only one holding back this national madness. He will leave and start looking for guarantees from the “guarantor” of the United States. Just like Ukraine. Tough... don't you really learn anything by looking at others?

[marshes]

Quote: cyber

The US and Chinese guarantees regarding your sovereignty are not even worth the paper they are written on!

This can also be said about Russia.

Quote: cyber

Well, damn it - it looks like your “father” Nazarbayev is the only one holding back this national madness. He will leave and start looking for guarantees from the “guarantor” of the United States. Just like Ukraine. Tough... don't you really learn anything by looking at others?

Don’t compare with Ukraine, the whole story there is who to fall under, with us it’s completely different.

[Semurg]

Quote: marshes

Quote: McArrow

. Then tell me honestly: why do you need an alliance?

First of all, RUSSIA needs the union, as it “painfully endures” it when the CIS countries communicate and trade with other countries.

Russian users write interestingly. The European Union is beneficial primarily to Germany as the largest economy in Europe, and in the case of the EAEU they do not recognize that it is primarily beneficial to the Russian Federation as the largest economy of this union. This is what you understand as a split in the understanding of one and the same truth.

[marshes]

Quote: Semurg

and then in the case of the EAEU they do not recognize that it is primarily beneficial to the Russian Federation as the largest economy of this union.

Of course, where should we push the priors, by the way, ours also got sick from cutting down the springs. Before that, I saw them in Taraz with the Turks, it’s not sweet for them now.
Here, on the contrary, you think about how the clearance of the growths, and the roads, are decreasing.
So far I have seen N.8 and X.13 among local Turks.

[Semurg]

Lada sedan is cool, and the planted ceiling is cool . what to do if your Lamborghini doesn't have enough springs, you have to cut the springs on the fret

[marshes]

Quote: Semurg

. what to do if your Lamborghini doesn't have enough springs, you have to cut the springs on the fret

This summer I saw a Lamba that died from the heat; the engine was overheated. Another Land Rover, the chain stretched out for 30 thousand.
So Toyota rules, at least 100 thousand can go.
Lech 570, one of these days it will go away, I went through the suspension there and made the face. So the Skoda Pakhanovskaya and the Raf-4 from 14 stopped at two, I hope it will be enough for five years.
Now we will live on our salary.
Dariga made a great point about the self-employed even before the elections.

[Semurg]

from next year, a universal declaration and living within your means . Dariga is talking about things in vain. Maybe the old Germans are right about the kinder-kitchen-kirch. I recently read about Karimov’s daughters also being bullied.

[marshes]

Quote: Semurg

. Dariga is talking about things in vain.

Honestly, I'm shaking.
The old generation is smarter, they earned it themselves and gave it to others, donated it, they wouldn’t drive them over the hill. We all saw who and how. The middle generation believes that they earned it by honest labor, and believes that the rest should share and no one has anything to do with them .
Although self-employed, they earn the minimum. And they pay taxes, albeit costly. Yes, the entire population pays excise taxes, VAT and trade taxes.
They would not be touched, otherwise there is a feeling that there is no money, if everyone rushes to the labor exchange, then the statistics could suffer greatly.

Quote: Semurg

from next year, a universal declaration and living within your means

It was with difficulty that the limited liability partnership was closed, now it is MP.
We will collect checks and various certificates. It is not yet clear what model they will use for declaring income; in the USA, relatives save good money at the expense of their children. Although they are not very clear about how much and how. This is Taboo. And it is not polite to ask.

[Mig-31]

Quote: cyber

How stubborn you are! Yes, Russia saved everyone! Together with other peoples of the USSR! Do you want to calculate the contribution of the RSFSR to the victory? What do you want to measure? In the amount of blood shed? Maybe we should stop comparing nations and move on to the performance characteristics of the tank?

What's up with his active protection? Is there an analogue to "Curtains"? Can it stand up to the ancient TOWs?

You will read the comments of malachite, it was he who began to talk about the shed Russian blood, saving our priests, so to speak, and I do not beg the merits of the RSFSR and specifically the Russian people, in the victory over Nazi Germany.

[Malachite]

Well, if things go on like this...I think Kazakhstan will start collecting "Merkava" and "Patriot" air defense...))) They will earn big money!

[Semurg]

Quote: Malachite

Well, if things go on like this...I think Kazakhstan will start collecting "Merkava" and "Patriot" air defense...))) They will earn big money!

The marking is good. until recently it didn’t seem to be exported, but now the ban has been lifted and who knows, maybe it will appear here too. By the way, as a more budget option, there is the Turkish Altai. After all, ten years ago no one could present South African products on the soil of Kazakhstan, and yet the assembly of MCI has begun.

[iouris]

Jordan does not need these tanks. I would not be surprised if they “fall” into the hands of the “moderate opposition” in Syria.

[Radical]

Quote: Talgat

And Kazakhstan will then be able to purchase newer equipment from Russia.

This is where we should have started - just not “purchase”, but ask for free delivery, as if within the framework of the CSTO, free of charge (i.e. “for free”)!

[marshes]

Quote: Radikal

This is where we should have started - just not “purchase”, but ask for free delivery, as if within the framework of the CSTO

So all the users on this site will go crazy, it was like that for the BTR-82 that Kazakhstan bought, everyone unanimously donates and we explain, we buy.
The Russian Federation no longer does anything for free.

[Valera-xxx]

When did we take something from the Russians for free? You're talking about the S300, but it's for covering the southern borders of the Russian Federation. Those. Russia needs more than Kazakhstan. Otherwise, they would not have given it in life. Su30 4 pcs. Bought for balos, Mishki helicopters too. This is what they supply to the Kyrgyz and Tajiks for free...

[RED_ICE]

This is how the enemy finds out secrets. Post more information and photos)))

[RED_ICE]

Post less photos, diagrams, drawings and descriptions of our airborne equipment.

[From Samara]

Burns like a torch...However, the Jordanians are no strangers...

[Concept1]

Quote: marshes

Quote: Semurg

. what to do if your Lamborghini doesn't have enough springs, you have to cut the springs on the fret

This summer I saw a Lamba that died from the heat; the engine was overheated. Another Land Rover, the chain stretched out for 30 thousand.
So Toyota rules, at least 100 thousand can go.
Lech 570, one of these days it will go away, I went through the suspension there and made the face. So the Skoda Pakhanovskaya and the Raf-4 from 14 stopped at two, I hope it will be enough for five years.
Now we will live on our salary.
Dariga made a great point about the self-employed even before the elections.

Bolt, are you aware that from January 1, the state duty for registering even a new car in Kazakhstan, even purchased in our car dealership but not assembled on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, starts from 830 tenge (000 rubles) and this despite the fact that in our At car dealerships, the meager assortment of cars assembled in the Republic of Kazakhstan is already 176-000% more expensive than in the Russian Federation.
Our secondary car is also more expensive, noticeably more expensive than in the Russian Federation, 25% percent. And here are some more interesting statistics. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, the average age of a car is 18-20, and in the Russian Federation it is 12-14 years. And there is not one state program to support auto lending, unlike the Russian Federation. This is my way of saying...

[Aposlya]

Quote: igorka357

I will advise you to go to the villages and villages, see how they live there, and what attitude they have towards the Russians, I’ll tell you right away... be careful, they can throw stones at you!

Nonsense! Who needs you to throw more stones at you?!

[vglazunov]

They have been eliminating defense potential since the collapse of the USSR, selling weapons to third countries. But when the day of judgment comes, we will pick up pitchforks and shovels (everything else will be sold by the oligarchs) and, like the Indians, we will disappear or be enslaved on reservations.

[sanzhmom]

Guys, who is the tank power? Point your finger! Over the course of 20 years of independence, the Russian Federation came up with the Armata, which did not enter service, and in general, maybe it’s just a dummy for a parade?

[Valera-xxx]

Have you forgotten Tank Biathlon 2015? No, we will remember for a loooong time how our Kazakhs were stabbed to death by judges.

[sanzhmom]

That's how they framed me!

[varlazarov]

The Kazakhs seem like the Ukrainians are ready to sell everything, you only have 300 tanks, where to sell something, what will you use to fight later?