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Moscow has allocated a loan to Yerevan for the purchase of Russian weapons

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Russia provided Armenia with a state loan in the amount of $ 200 million for the purchase of Russian weapons, the blog reports bmpd with reference to the legal information portal.




The basis for granting an export loan was the “Agreement between the Government of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Republic of Armenia”, signed on June 26 2015 and entered into force on February 10 of the current year.

“The loan was allocated at the rate of 3,0% per annum for 10 years with a delay of payments until February of 2018. It will be used by the Armenian side in 2015 - 2017 for financing up to 90% of the value of each of the contracts for the supply of products with settlements in Russian rubles. Advance payments make up at least 10% of the value of each contract and are made by the Armenian side in favor of Russian authorized organizations in Russian rubles. ”, - leads bmpd terms of agreement.

The list of nomenclature of purchased weapons is given in the annex to the document:

Moscow has allocated a loan to Yerevan for the purchase of Russian weapons

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  1. SAM 5
    SAM 5 19 February 2016 14: 54
    -1
    A.zeri, and the Turks crouched on the fifth point.
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 February 2016 14: 57
      10
      The list of nomenclature of purchased weapons is given in the appendix to the document.


      The right direction and timely, taking into account the situation in the region.
      1. Pravdarm
        Pravdarm 19 February 2016 14: 58
        11
        Ara Ararat want to return ?!
        Following the example of Russia: "AraratNASH!" laughing

        P.S .: by the way In 1927-1930. there was the Ararat Kurdish Republic, which was one of the Kurdish state formations in modern times. Maybe they’re getting ready for this?
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    4. ohtsistem
      ohtsistem 19 February 2016 14: 59
      +7
      A Pinocchio handsome good
    5. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 15: 07
      10
      Quote: SAM 5
      A.zeri, and the Turks crouched on the fifth point.

      On the contrary, this put Ilham in an uncomfortable position. He tried to lead the conflict between Turkey and Russia as neutral as possible, and right now the people of Azerbaijan will demand the full support of Turkey.
      1. prishelec
        prishelec 19 February 2016 17: 46
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        and right now, the people of Azerbaijan will demand the full support of Turkey.

        Let them demand as much as they want, we don’t care what they demand there!
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 19 February 2016 17: 53
          0
          Quote: prishelec
          Quote: Yeraz
          and right now, the people of Azerbaijan will demand the full support of Turkey.

          Let them demand as much as they want, we don’t care what they demand there!

          This is so far the only conflict that can be controlled by political methods, what did you really want to fight?
          Here, the role of Azerbaijan is perhaps the main one and we should not have once again attacked Azeri on a sore spot ... All the time I was afraid that it was the Armenians who would unleash this conflict by their Asian stupidity.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 19 February 2016 18: 21
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            This is so far the only conflict that can be controlled by political methods, what did you really want to fight?

            These are sofas, which for the most part will not go to war. But they want to drown everyone in the blood.
            Quote: APASUS
            Here, the role of Azerbaijan is perhaps the main one and we should not have once again attacked Azeri on a sore spot ... All the time I was afraid that it was the Armenians who would unleash this conflict by their Asian stupidity.

            If Russia clearly said this weapon would not be in Karabakh, but on other parts of the border, for example Turkey, please. But the Armenians would put it in Karabakh.
            Recently there was a scandal among them, saying where the weapons promised by Russia are.
            1. prishelec
              prishelec 19 February 2016 19: 35
              +2
              Quote: Yeraz
              These are sofas, which for the most part will not go to war. But they want to drown everyone in the blood.

              I am no more "couch" than you! How do you know whether I will go to fight or not? Who are you to make such unambiguous "inferences" about people ?! Where have you seen my calls to someone, or to drown everyone in blood? What are you talking about?
              To the article, you are such warriors that you lost your territory!)))
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 19 February 2016 21: 16
                +2
                Quote: prishelec
                I am no more "couch" than you! How do you know whether I will go to fight or not? Who are you to make such unambiguous "inferences" about people ?! Where have you seen my calls to someone, or to drown everyone in blood? What are you talking about?

                specifically about you, I did not say anything, But even yours, I quote to the light that they require may lead to a lot of blood.
                In Georgia, they said, the Russian Federation was up to the bulb until the blood spilled.
                In Ukraine, there was the first Maidan, they did not make conclusions, it was up to a light bulb, new blood was spilled.
                Assad was not initially supported, they waited until the country began to drown in blood, then they intervened.
                So I’m telling you, your light will lead to new big blood.
                Such powerful regimes as in Libya, Syria and Egypt were destroyed in a matter of months and the countries entered into chaos. Do you think Azerbaijan will avoid this ?? Will it be the same for you until the light of light on Azerbaijan.
                1. prishelec
                  prishelec 19 February 2016 21: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  can lead to a lot of blood.

                  I sincerely wish you and the Armenians peace and prosperity!
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 19 February 2016 23: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: prishelec
                    I sincerely wish you and the Armenians peace and prosperity!

                    and I wish peace. But if this Karabakh is pulled and pulled, it will bomb even more.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 19 February 2016 15: 09
      +1
      we cover the southern borders of the Russian Federation - the Americans put their missile defense systems in Turkey, their ships in the Black Sea, respectively, need a system to suppress.
    7. Hon
      Hon 19 February 2016 15: 27
      +4
      Quote: SAM 5
      A.zeri, and the Turks crouched on the fifth point.

      Azerbaijan also buys a lot of things from us
    8. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 February 2016 15: 39
      +2
      TOS in the self-propelled guns recorded and instead of armored equipment, wrote armored vehicles.
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 19 February 2016 15: 47
        0
        It is understandable. They don’t have troops like the Russian Chechen Republic of Chechen Republic, which, with their own .. these .. such fireworks, that the Strategic Rocket Forces are unsupported. I am thinking that in IRAQ, SYRIA, and AZERBAIJAN they are listed in the artel ..
      2. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 19 February 2016 18: 16
        0
        They also have truck cranes of different lifting capacities, but one index.
    9. Speedy
      Speedy 19 February 2016 15: 49
      +1
      Something seems to me a loan to myself .. Pull the kits closer to the warm one.
    10. prishelec
      prishelec 19 February 2016 17: 42
      -3
      Quote: SAM 5
      A.zeri, and the Turks crouched on the fifth point.

      Armenians also A.zeri!
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 February 2016 14: 55
    +9
    Now the Turks will again rub the Azerbaijanis with what "brothers" they are what
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 15: 13
      -2
      Quote: Wiruz
      Now the Turks will again rub the Azerbaijanis with what "brothers" they are

      Well, Russia by its own actions forces Azerbaijan to go against itself.
      Azerbaijan buys weapons from Russia, and Russia transfers exactly the same weapons to Armenia, the enemy of Azerbaijan. What do you think will be the reaction of Azerbaijan and its inhabitants. It is clear negative.
      In Azerbaijan, the population was divided into 2 parts: the supporters of the full support of Turkey and the supporters of reconciliation between Russia and Turkey. With this step, Russia created only 1 opinion. This is the full support of Turkey, as those who tried to prove that Russia can take neutrality completely imposed, since it became obvious to everyone that Russia he will never take it and will always be for the Armenians.
      The authorities in Baku tried both yours and ours, but right now amid these supplies of armament by Armenia, many people’s handshake with the Russian Federation will be perceived as a betrayal, especially looking at the range of armaments. The same thing that Azerbaijan bought.
      With this act Moscow put Aliyev in a dead end.
      1. Altona
        Altona 19 February 2016 15: 32
        12
        Quote: Yeraz
        With this act Moscow put Aliyev in a dead end.

        ------------------------
        Moscow played the same in both directions, just like the Americans do. In addition, in Armenia our base. Do not you need to cover it? The usual help to an ally. So in Azerbaijan they react excessively nervously. Apparently they again want Armenia to be included in the Erivan province.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2016 16: 03
          -2
          Quote: Altona
          In addition, in Armenia our base. Do not you need to cover it?

          Do you think this weapon will stand on the border with Turkey ??? No, it will be in Karabakh.
          The border with Turkey is covered by the Gyumri Base, which is very well armed.
          Quote: Altona
          Apparently they again want Armenia to be included in the Erivan province.

          Irevan was Irevan, then he was made Armenia.
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      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 19 February 2016 15: 38
        +9
        Quote: Yeraz
        Azerbaijan buys weapons from Russia, and Russia transfers exactly the same weapons to Armenia, the enemy of Azerbaijan. What do you think will be the reaction of Azerbaijan and its inhabitants. It is clear negative.

        Always selling weapons to someone causes a negative reaction from someone. The same Turkey and Greece, the United States sells F 16 - and now?
        Armenia is the only uncompromising ally of Russia in the event of a conflict with Turkey, and it is for these purposes that they are selling weapons to it, IMHO. Azerbaijan must understand this. And he doesn’t have to fight with Armenia, but finally agree.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2016 16: 05
          -7
          Quote: Aleksander
          And he doesn’t have to fight with Armenia, but finally agree.

          hmm .. come on, I’ll come to your home, grab 2 of the 3 rooms, take your key, a car and then I will tell you, do not fight, let's agree)))
      4. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 February 2016 15: 51
        +5
        Quote: Yeraz
        Well, Russia by its own actions forces Azerbaijan to go against itself.
        Azerbaijan buys weapons from Russia, and Russia transfers exactly the same weapons to Armenia, the enemy of Azerbaijan. What do you think will be the reaction of Azerbaijan and its inhabitants. It is clear negative.

        Strange logic. Capitalism is now in Russia. Russia is selling weapons to both sides of the conflict, maintaining a balance of power and earning money along the way. This is a common practice in the capital world. If you oppose, either
        1) You are a Communist and fundamentally against a policy of profit. But a great position, but the problem here is that Azerbaijan is also a capital country now, so the Azerbaijani communists should be concerned about the social revolution in Azerbaijan, and not the accusations against the Russian Federation.
        2) You are not a communist, but you think that Russia should sell weapons only to Azerbaijan. This is even stranger considering that Armenia is a member of the CPKB and the Eurasian Union, and Azerbaijan is not. It turns out that Russia should not sell weapons to its ally.
        Moreover, it should be noted that much more modern weapons and much larger amounts are being sold to Azerbaijan.
        Quote: Yeraz
        . With this step, Russia created only 1 opinion. This is the full support of Turkey, since those who tried to prove that Russia can take neutrality completely abused, since it became obvious to everyone that Russia would never take it and always will be for Armenians.

        What does this mean, from the fact that we sold to Azerbaijan T-90 which are not in our own army? And then no one forces Azerbaijan to buy weapons in Russia. It is completely incomprehensible how the fact that Armenia sold some weapons on credit can lead to the conclusion that Azerbaijan needs to unequivocally support Turkey in creating chaos in Syria. And most importantly, what will be the benefit of this? for Azerbaijan?
        1. Seal
          Seal 20 February 2016 20: 21
          0
          Quote: Odyssey
          And most importantly, what will be the benefit of this for Azerbaijan?

          Yes, do not care what benefit will be to Azerbaijan. We must think about Russia's interests.

          To play the system of checks and balances, as in any political games, it is necessary with profit. Or at least not at a loss. And playing at a loss is an occupation for fools. Which sooner or later on this will still burn out. And it’s very bad that in this case, Russia again acts as a fool.

          So far, there, in the Transcaucasus, the conflict is smoldering, from which we will be supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore towards NATO. And thus give the opportunity to Ukrainians to build all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or the supply of Turkmen gas to Ukraine.
          And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia.
          What is our national interest here? Constantly losing money directly (gifts from Armenia) and indirectly (the transit that was supposed to go through us goes by us).
          In fact, Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
          I show this with a simple example.
          Let's imagine that Georgia has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us:
          a) if Azerbaijan then joins NATO
          b) if Armenia then joins NATO

          Let's start with the last one. If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or we can assume that Turkey’s NATO member has yet another area in the east of the country. And that’s it.

          But if Azerbaijan joins NATO when Georgia is already there, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
          It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of policy from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
          By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already hopped for rail transit to China past Russia (wagons from the Ukrainian ports carry wagons to the port of Batumi, wagons go from Batumi to Baku, there they again roll them back to the ferry and to Kazakhstan And from there on rails to China).
          And if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea.

          And Armenia ... yes, to hell with us, we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
          It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !!
          And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties Azerbaijan to Russia, then the Armenians can again begin to take Karabakh.

          This is the interest of Russia.
          I understand, this is cynical. But for the country it is useful.
      5. Homo
        Homo 19 February 2016 16: 43
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        Well, Russia by its own actions forces Azerbaijan to go against itself.

        Yes Yes! And is NATO also forcing Russia and the US too? recourse
        1. Seal
          Seal 20 February 2016 20: 23
          +1
          To play the system of checks and balances, as in any political games, it is necessary with profit. Or at least not at a loss. And playing at a loss is an occupation for fools. Which sooner or later on this will still burn out. And it’s very bad that in this case, Russia again acts as a fool.

          So far, there, in the Transcaucasus, the conflict is smoldering, from which we will be supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore towards NATO. And thus give the opportunity to Ukrainians to build all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or the supply of Turkmen gas to Ukraine.
          And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia.
          What is our national interest here? Constantly losing money directly (gifts from Armenia) and indirectly (the transit that was supposed to go through us goes by us).
          In fact, Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
          I show this with a simple example.
          Let's imagine that Georgia has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us:
          a) if Azerbaijan then joins NATO
          b) if Armenia then joins NATO

          Let's start with the last one. If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or we can assume that Turkey’s NATO member has yet another area in the east of the country. And that’s it.

          But if Azerbaijan joins NATO when Georgia is already there, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
          It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of policy from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
          By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already hopped for rail transit to China past Russia (wagons from the Ukrainian ports carry wagons to the port of Batumi, wagons go from Batumi to Baku, there they again roll them back to the ferry and to Kazakhstan And from there on rails to China).
          And if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea.

          And Armenia ... yes, to hell with us, we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
          It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !!
          And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties Azerbaijan to Russia, then the Armenians can again begin to take Karabakh.

          This is the interest of Russia.
          I understand, this is cynical. But for the country it is useful.
    2. 222222
      222222 19 February 2016 16: 29
      +3
      Skorobei RU Today, 15:49 ↑ New
      Something seems to me to be a loan to myself .. They tighten the kits closer to the warm one. ""

      Azerbaijan === according to the Pew Research research center in 2009, about 99,2% of the country's population are Muslims [1]. The absolute majority of the population of Azerbaijan belongs to the Shiite branch of Islam (the Jafarite madhhab), the minority - to the Sunni (mainly Hanafi madhhab). About 85% of the population of Azerbaijan are Shiite Muslims and 15% of Sunni Muslims



      Turkey == According to the CIA, 99,8% of the population of Turkey are Muslims. According to opinion polls, 97,8% of the population of Turkey are Muslims. About 80% of Muslims are Sunnis, and Alevi Shiites make up about 20% of the Muslim population
      ..comments are NOT needed !!!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 19 February 2016 16: 36
        +3
        Quote: 222222
        ..comments are NOT needed !!!

        Well, yes, if you don’t think closely in the affairs of the East, comments are not needed for you.
        Sunni Turks.
        Sunni Kurds.
        No comments needed. True ???
        1. 222222
          222222 19 February 2016 18: 25
          +1
          Unlike the Turkish-speaking Turks, the Kurds speak the Kurdish language, which belongs to the Indo-European (Iranian language group). recourse
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 19 February 2016 18: 35
            0
            Quote: 222222
            Unlike the Turkish-speaking Turks, the Kurds speak the Kurdish language, which belongs to the Indo-European (Iranian language group).

            And the inhabitants of Azerbaijan and Turkey speak the same language and 1 people. And 90% sneeze Sunni or Shiite. These are Arab troubles.
            1. 222222
              222222 19 February 2016 19: 17
              +1
              http://nk.org.ua/geopolitika/sunnityi-alavityi-i-vse-vse-vse-religioznaya-karta-
              voynyi-v-sirii-27107
  3. Trailer
    Trailer 19 February 2016 15: 00
    -11 qualifying.
    Somewhere in Siberia, the construction of another bridge was frozen. Big credit partners, I understand. Armenia, where so the army and the base is - I do not understand.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 February 2016 15: 05
      11
      "Somewhere in Siberia, the construction of another bridge has been frozen" - This is where in Siberia and what is the bridge across?
      1. Samen
        Samen 19 February 2016 15: 18
        +8
        Somewhere in Siberia, the construction of another bridge is frozen

        Not this way! Like this:
        And somewhere in Turkey, another Erdogan cried ... crying
      2. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 19 February 2016 15: 43
        +2
        This is similar to the State Department’s accusations ... for which there is an accusation, and we won’t show evidence ... We haven’t completed the bridge in Siberia, but I won’t tell you where)))
      3. Trailer
        Trailer 19 February 2016 15: 48
        -5
        Quote: Vadim237
        This is where in Siberia and through that bridge?


        Apparently you are not aware of this story.

        The construction of a bridge across the Lena River has been postponed for the period after the 2020 of the year, the Federal Road Agency (Rosavtodor) said.
        "Given the priority of infrastructure projects, the Russian government was instructed to consider the possibility of implementing the project for the period for 2020, taking into account financial resources from the state and private investors, as well as the importance of the bridge for the road network and the economy of the Far East region," Rosavtodor reports.
      4. Trailer
        Trailer 19 February 2016 15: 49
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        "Somewhere in Siberia, the construction of another bridge has been frozen" - This is where in Siberia and what is the bridge across?


        Of the more relevant one more about the bridge.

        Once again, the start of construction of a bridge across the Kuban River, which should be built at the entrance to Krasnodar from the side of the Yablonovsky village, was postponed. The reason for the delay in the construction of a new facility was the optimization of budgets carried out at all levels. The announcement of this is published by the RosBusinessConsulting news agency with reference to information provided by the regional Ministry of Construction.
        The Ministry of Construction of the Krasnodar Territory notes that a new date for the construction of the bridge will be determined later.

        It should be noted that the design of the bridge, which was financed at the expense of the regional budget, was completed last year. The development of working and project documentation was completed in full. In addition, project documentation and cost estimates for the construction of the bridge were approved by the state expertise. Also, the bridge construction project passed public hearings.

        Recall earlier it was reported that the new bridge across the Kuban River, the length of which should be 300 meters, will have a total of four lanes - two lanes in each direction. According to the cost estimate, compiled in 2013 year, the cost of building a new bridge was estimated at 2 billion rubles. However, in 2013, the construction of the object did not begin, and the start of construction was postponed to 2014 year.

        disc harrow leased
        It was expected that the construction of the bridge will be the first stage of the construction of the highway, called the “Southern Entrance”. This route was supposed to connect the Kuban capital with the Krasnodar-Verkhnebakansky highway, but construction work never began.

        According to the latest information, the construction of a bridge over the Kuban River was to begin this summer. It was assumed that in 2015, approximately 300 million rubles would be allocated to finance construction work, and the total cost of the project would be 5 billion rubles. However, these plans had to be abandoned, and the project implementation was suspended.
        1. MMX
          MMX 20 February 2016 06: 19
          +1
          Quote: Karavan
          Quote: Vadim237
          "Somewhere in Siberia, the construction of another bridge has been frozen" - This is where in Siberia and what is the bridge across?


          Of the more relevant one more about the bridge.



          This is what. There is only 200 million dollars. And you estimate the entire military budget of the Russian Federation: this is how many bridges you can build !!!

          P.S. And yes, the comrade has already hinted to you what should be considered not in bridges, but in kindergartens, schools, hospitals, etc. So it will be more piercing.
          Advice is free, do not give thanks.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 20 February 2016 06: 26
            +1
            Quote: MMX
            must not be considered in bridges,

            Even better in wheelchairs
            Quote: MMX
            So it will be more piercing.
      5. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 19 February 2016 17: 09
        -2
        Quote: Vadim237
        and across which bridge?

        Along the Yenisei. yes
    2. KOH
      KOH 19 February 2016 15: 10
      +6
      Nothing, we are still without a bridge in Siberia ..., but for the Turks they hung out on sweets, Armenia surrounded by enemies, they need help ...
    3. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 19 February 2016 15: 16
      12
      Quote: Karavan
      Somewhere in Siberia, the construction of another bridge has been frozen.
      Well, there’s one bridge. It’s better to transfer to kindergartens. wink
      Quote: Karavan
      Credit to large partners
      Our only ally in the Caucasus. Do you propose maintaining its readiness to transfer to market relations? No, I understand when Bangladesh is sold on credit or Myanmar. But Armenia is our outpost in the Caucasus. And the Caucasus is the gateway to the Russian plain. Therefore, we will continue to arm our we don’t forget the Belarusians and Armenians and even the Mongols. Why do we need a bridge in Siberia if it has to be blown up before an advancing enemy? Therefore, not everything in military policy can be measured with market arshin.
      P.S. We could sell drying to you, our allies, at world prices. But we sold it at a price for our army. Therefore, the reinforcement of (Special Districts) is carried out comprehensively. There is money, excellent, if not enough, good and we will help.
      1. Seal
        Seal 19 February 2016 22: 59
        -2
        Our only ally in the Caucasus.

        Armenians have never been our allies. Show at least one allied action on their part. Well, and besides, Armenia is not the Caucasus, but Transcaucasia.

        But Armenia is our outpost in the Caucasus.

        What is an "outpost" and why do we need it in Transcaucasia.
        And the Caucasus is the gateway to the Russian plain.

        Again. Armenia is Transcaucasia. The Caucasus is GEORGIA. And our North Caucasian republics follow Georgia. And only beyond the North Caucasian republics begins, well, one might say "Russian plain".
        Remember that Georgia is on the south side of the Caucasus Range. On the north side are our North Caucasian republics. Armenia is much south, on the Armenian Highlands. To bring something to our base (which stands there solely at the request of the Armenian side) - you need to ask permission from Georgia or Azerbaijan. Well, or by sea to Iran, and from there by a roundabout route to Armenia, to our base.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 20 February 2016 22: 32
          0
          Quote: Seal
          What is an "outpost" and why do we need it in Transcaucasia.
          Outpost (military fortification) (German: Vorposten) - an advanced post, an outpost of a fortress. The forefront, the beginning and the mainstay in development.
          a piece in chess, located behind the demarcation line of the board, more often on the 5th or 6th horizontal (white), 4th or 3rd (black). Usually protected by a pawn (Mozdok), sometimes a rook (Engels) or an elephant (military unit 34143 (TsKP RVSN). *****http://www.armenianhouse.org/demoyan/turkey/ch4.htmlRead at your leisure to understand how Russia was holding back Turkish expansion to the north. Only facts with indications of sources of information. After all, what happened? Before the revolution, Azerbaijanis and Armenians clashed. The USSR cooled hot heads in both republics for a long time. And the outer perimeter kept clear. C After the collapse of the Soviet Union, blood began to flow again (as if there were no 70 years of Soviet power ...) And how did Turkey behave in this situation? Predictably behaved. Secret traffic of weapons and militants began to work (by the way, the "Gray Wolves" fought there and a bunch of Turkish "vacationers" and "retirees in high ranks"). Ankara goes even further --- receives an appeal from Baku for fraternal assistance and, under the guise of exercises, begins to deploy an army corps in the border area. Then one of our marshal makes a statement that if Turkey intervenes, this will lead to the 3rd World War. At the same time, the Russian army is taking a number of military measures and Turkey no longer jerked towards the former USSR border with its army corps. She helped the Ichkerians in every possible way in the war against the Russian army, but she no longer jumped with corps, because the Turks were shown their place at the highest level (in the most literal sense))) on the headquarters maps they showed the boundaries where they shouldn't go. FORPOST!!! ...
          Quote: Seal
          What is an "outpost" and why do we need it in Transcaucasia.
          I kind of tried to explain to you my vision of the situation. And according to geography you said everything correctly, I admit a gross inaccuracy hi .
          1. Seal
            Seal 22 February 2016 13: 19
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            Thank you for the correct answer.
            What is an outpost, I know very well. And you correctly indicated that the outpost including
            Outpost (military fortification) (German: Vorposten) - an advanced post, an outpost of a fortress.

            In a broader sense, an outpost (farpost) is a distant (far advanced) observation post. His task is to timely detect the movement of the enemy and inform his command as soon as possible.
            But here is the point. The outpost both as the vanguard of the fortress and as a remote observation post suggests that there is no enemy troops between it (the outpost) and the fact that behind it (the fortress or just troops).

            And in the case of our base in Armenia, between it (the base) and us lie the whole STATES.
            That is, a journalist who has never served in the army can call our base in Gyumri an outpost. But it’s not appropriate for us to use these stupid journalistic cliches, albeit beautiful ones.

            And everything that you wrote in substantiating the outpost, well, I'm sorry, is fundamentally wrong.
            Then one of our marshals makes a statement that if Turkey intervenes, this will lead to the 3rd World War

            Yes. But our base has absolutely nothing to do with it. The Third World is the use of atomic weapons. Which on our base is not and cannot be. In order to start the Third World - we need this base FIG NOT NEEDED. On the contrary, it is only harmful, since in the Third World it will fall victim to one of the first ones. Moreover, the sacrifice is meaningless, since nothing has time to do. The Turks will demolish it with their German-made barrel artillery.
            more Turkey towards the former border of the USSR did not jump with its army corps

            You want to say that because Turkey was scared of our base in Gyumri?
            No no and one more time no. Turkey understands that we have nuclear warheads and their delivery vehicles. There is aviation, including strategic. And finally there is the Black Sea Fleet. And the base ... in this list it’s not that tenth, but even one hundred and tenth.
            I also tried to explain to you my vision of the situation. hi
    4. OMEDB
      OMEDB 19 February 2016 15: 24
      +2
      Quote: Karavan
      “The loan was allocated at a rate of 3,0% per annum for a period of 10 years with a deferred payment until February 2018.

      And I liked this infa more what And somewhere in the vastness of Russia, every 2nd mortgage at 15% per annum for 20 years ...
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 19 February 2016 17: 33
        -4
        Quote: OMEDB
        Quote: Karavan
        “The loan was allocated at a rate of 3,0% per annum for a period of 10 years with a deferred payment until February 2018.

        And I liked this infa more what And somewhere in the vastness of Russia, every 2nd mortgage at 15% per annum for 20 years ...

        It was necessary to give this loan to pregnant disabled children of retirement age.
        So we will win.
        1. OMEDB
          OMEDB 19 February 2016 18: 38
          +2
          Quote: GRAY
          So we will win.

          This is probably yours! However, I always thought that a satisfied person in life with a good job, having a family and a home, in the event of a war, is morally stronger than any aggressor. There is, as they say, what (whom) to protect. (Al you can run to the attack with a shout "FOR PUTIN"). What's going on now? Of the employees, there are only managers, family values ​​in the list (young people more and more prefer to live alone), housing from the realm of fantasy (this is the question of mortgages, or better, mortgages). And who, tell me, will fight today? some old people and those who have at least some moral values? Here is the question? And there you see, pregnant women and disabled children will stand up to them!
    5. Homo
      Homo 19 February 2016 16: 44
      -1
      Quote: Karavan
      de Siberia has frozen the construction of another bridge.

      Dear, consider your bridges (undeveloped) better.
  4. Seal
    Seal 19 February 2016 15: 03
    -4
    Well, again, the Armenians have correctly promoted us. First, they arranged something like a maidan near the sow, calling it "energy maidan". Here's how he was described on June 24, 2015: http://novopol.ru/-energeticheskiy-maydan-v-erevane-grozit-pererasti-vu-text169
    388.html
    By the evening of June 23, several hundred people gathered on Freedom Square in the center of the capital of Armenia. Some of them are those who participated in a night rally on Baghramyan Street, dispersed by the police in the early morning. Experts sound the alarm: a protest rally threatens to take on the scale of the Kiev Euro-Maidan.
    The OSCE has already expressed its concern about what is happening in Yerevan and called for restraint both of the authorities and the protesters.
    It is expected that towards evening, a rally on Freedom Square under the slogan “No to robbery!” replenished with hundreds of participants.

    It looks like it was actually a performance staged by the Armenian leadership, very frightened by our then maximum rapprochement with Turkey.
    Applause. The performance was a success. The Armenians received from us even more than expected.

    http://eer.ru/a/article/u123253/29-06-2015/32615
    1. Vova Vartanov
      Vova Vartanov 19 February 2016 16: 50
      +2
      And even so! If our ally equips the Caspian region with 3.5 billion at domestic prices and does not pay attention to the fact that the Caspian Turks dare to use these weapons ONLY against the ONLY Russian ally in the Caucasus, what remains of the military-political leadership of Armenia? !! Although, to be honest, I do not believe in the similar brain capabilities of the current leadership of my country - they are very straightforward here ...
      1. Seal
        Seal 19 February 2016 23: 18
        -1
        What difference does it make at what price to whom we sell our weapons. The main thing is that we sell with profit. And in fact, it is unlikely that we are selling weapons to Azerbaijan at domestic prices. Since for export we supply weapons that are slightly different from what is supplied to our own army. And it is clear that since our weapons are exported in a slightly lighter version, they cost a little less than what goes for our army.

        Armenia has never been and never will be our ally. Armenia is not interested in anyone's interests other than its own Armenian interests. For its interests, Armenia can get into allies with anyone, even to hell with a bald one. There is not a single example in the history of Russia when the Armenians at least once at least somehow disinterestedly helped us, when there was no vital Armenian interest in this.
        In Armenia there is not a single family (well, perhaps, there is one), which would not have relatives, albeit not the closest, but relatives in the United States. Therefore, if Armenia is someone's ally, it is only the United States. The Armenian lobby in the USA is the second most influential after the Israeli one.

        And now a test for your real attitude towards us.
        1. Zatikyan, Baghdasaryan and Stepanyan you consider:
        a) Vile terrorists, killers of Muscovites, deservedly received their highest measure.
        b) The innocent victims of the bloody KGB bought by Azerbaijanis
        c) Heroes of Armenia fighting the Soviet regime.

        2. The murder of our five paratroopers, led by Lieutenant Shapovalov in 1992 in Gyumri, according to you, was:
        a) Forced measure, since these your paratroopers did not want to give us their weapons
        b) The vile murder, for which I personally am ashamed, but unfortunately none of our murderers have yet incurred any responsibility.
        c) This was not a murder at all, and the car of the paratroopers ran into some of our girl and the crowd simply tore them.
        1. Artura0777
          Artura0777 20 February 2016 01: 34
          +3
          You’re an Azerbaijani and mowing down as Russian)))))))) you have brains like your 5th child, no country in the world just helped or will help anyone. And for your information, there are also a lot of Armenians living in Russia, bigger than in America.
          1. Seal
            Seal 20 February 2016 08: 37
            -1
            You are an Azerbaijani and mow under Russian

            Here is the most standard and at the same time the most stupid answer by which the Armenians answer uncomfortable questions for them. They do not answer them at all, and anyone who asks them is declared either an Azerbaijani or a Turk. Who doubts - can easily be convinced of it. It is enough to ask the same questions on your own behalf - and you too will be immediately declared an Azerbaijani or a Turk.

            no country in the world has simply helped anyone and will not help anyone

            With the exception of Russia.

            And for your information in Russia, too many Armenians live

            By itself. Judging by the fact that 2/3 of the land plots on the coast of the Krasnodar Territory belong to the original inhabitants of these places - Armenians, and I have no doubt. Our President spoke about the same thing at a meeting with your president several years ago.
            The question is on which side the Armenians living in Russia will take if a military conflict occurs between Russia and Armenia. Just don’t have to start songs about the fact that this will never happen, because it can never be. Exactly the same songs were sung by Georgians when I asked them the same question. With what words they did not call me names for this, as it seemed to them, idiotic and impossible question in reality. But after 08.08.2008, all Georgians shut up abruptly. It turned out - maybe. It was even more impossible to imagine that the Ukrainian troops would begin to hammer their peaceful cities out of multiple launch rocket systems. It turned out - maybe. so that in the likelihood of a military conflict between us and Armenia, nothing is impossible. So, on which side will the Armenians living in Russia take if a military conflict occurs between Russia and Armenia?
            By the way, Azerbaijanis answer this question honestly. Or that we will not fight at all. Or - that we will go to our place and fight with you. Well, well, it's unpleasant - but honest. For me, an open enemy is better than an egoist who pretends to be our "best friend and ally, who is not interested in anything except his own interests and who at any moment can inflict a blow on us on the sly."
            bigger than in america

            Yes, more. But the fact remains. A rare Armenian family living in our country does not have a relative in the United States.
            Now, if you are an Armenian, then sort through all your relatives and honestly admit how many relatives you have in the USA?
            Although .. hmm, asking an Armenian to count all his relatives is like scattering semolina in front of him and asking him to count the seeds.
            Well, sort out at least those you know for sure.
            1. Vova Vartanov
              Vova Vartanov 25 February 2016 10: 58
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              [quote = Seal] [quote] You are Azerbaijani and mow under Russian [/ quote]
              Here is the most standard and at the same time the most stupid answer by which the Armenians answer uncomfortable questions for them. They do not answer them at all, and anyone who asks them is declared either an Azerbaijani or a Turk ...
              Radish horseradish is not sweeter - that the Turks, that the Azerbaijani in your understanding, everything is the same! - this is in the first place.
              Secondly, Zatikyan was a terrorist (like Aliyev’s father and son supporting terrorists in the North Caucasus)
              Thirdly, clashes with paratroopers from Kirovabad (it was and still is on the territory of the Republic of Azerbaijan) that arrived in Armenia to export (during the war!) Military equipment to a neighboring country (with the possible transfer of the Caspian to the Turks) occurred in the city and in broad daylight. As a result of this clash with the SOLD MILITARY, two Leninakan civilians were killed and two soldiers of the Leninakan detachment were wounded.
              Do you like these answers? Or is it not so important for our, kind, neighbors from the Caspian region, to answer (the main thing is to voice your own, truth)?
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 20 February 2016 17: 06
            0
            Quote: Artura0777
            You are an Azerbaijani and mow under Russian

            and you really see the lack of a brain.
            Where did you see my words about my Russian origin ?? And secondly, didn’t you try to go to the eye ?? The crescent in the form of the colors of the Azerbaijani flag is depicted on the avatar, the name Ali is indicated in the profile and I’m mowing Russian)) bravo))) Here in In principle, they see the situation in the East and in the whole world in the majority of local users.
            1. Seal
              Seal 20 February 2016 20: 15
              -1
              I thought he wrote it to me. So already tired of these children's games of Armenians to any question unpleasant for them to give this ersatz-answer "Are you an Azerbaijani."
              Well, if only I were a Tatar. And so, I did not look at how many generations in depth - all the ancestors were Slavs, possibly with some participation of the Baltic or Finnish nationalities living in Russia.
              1. Vova Vartanov
                Vova Vartanov 25 February 2016 11: 08
                0
                Strange - a Slav, but speaks (writes) like a Turk ... Perhaps you were thrown by a thimble of Armenian (or Georgian, Polish ...) nationality and you are trying in every possible way to justify your thus formed attitude towards my people ... My advice to you is enmity we are in a great Russian way (say that it is necessary to love the Turks because of geography, politics, military necessity) ... So respect yourself more, and some of your compatriots will react better to these works! And it hurts like a Turk living in Russia - not a camilleph!
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  5. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 19 February 2016 15: 05
    +5
    And today, one well-known bank sent me an SMS with an offer of 19,9%, take it and don’t deny yourself anything!
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 19 February 2016 15: 11
      +5
      Probably Armenian. wink
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 15: 14
      +7
      Quote: Trigger-Happy
      And today a famous bank sent me an SMS with an offer of 19,9%, b

      You are still lucky, I was persuaded by the bank to take a chic loan at 21%))))
      1. Vadim 91
        Vadim 91 19 February 2016 20: 40
        +1
        Finely take !!! I took at 28,8% in one famous bank
  6. Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 19 February 2016 15: 06
    -1
    No matter how Aliev was offended and invented everything there himself.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 15: 17
      -2
      Quote: Primus Pilus
      No matter how Aliev was offended and invented everything there himself.

      Azerbaijan made conclusions. And the illusions about the Russian Federation have definitely disappeared.
      1. Primus pilus
        Primus pilus 19 February 2016 15: 33
        +3
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Primus Pilus
        No matter how Aliev was offended and invented everything there himself.

        Azerbaijan made conclusions. And the illusions about the Russian Federation have definitely disappeared.

        And what conclusions did Azerbaijan draw? I beg you not to be paranoid.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2016 16: 09
          -4
          Quote: Primus Pilus
          And what conclusions did Azerbaijan draw? I beg you not to be paranoid.

          That you don’t even have to rely on neutrality of Russia in your imagination. Russia will always support the occupier of Azerbaijani lands and minimize cooperation and try to deepen cooperation with opposing forces.
          This weapon will be in Karabakh. No one is paranoid, but this is an increase in the occupier.
          1. MMX
            MMX 19 February 2016 19: 01
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            Quote: Primus Pilus
            And what conclusions did Azerbaijan draw? I beg you not to be paranoid.

            That you don’t even have to rely on neutrality of Russia in your imagination. Russia will always support the occupier of Azerbaijani lands and minimize cooperation and try to deepen cooperation with opposing forces.
            This weapon will be in Karabakh. No one is paranoid, but this is an increase in the occupier.


            RF maintains balance. Tries at least. So, as the United States does (a system of checks and balances). At the same time, ensuring its interests and influence in the region.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 19 February 2016 19: 35
              0
              Quote: MMX
              RF maintains balance. Tries at least. So, as the United States does (a system of checks and balances).

              And for me, this will be a repeat of Georgia, Azerbaijan will move away from Russia, then they will collide, Azerbaijan will lose, but given the difference from Georgia, ala Caucasian Syria or Iraq can easily appear with a bunch of different Islamic terrorist organizations that will spread to the North Caucasus and light up there. How many people from there went to Syria, and flaming Azerbaijan will travel more and more to the whole Caucasus. As a result, everyone will lose and America will win again.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 19 February 2016 19: 47
                +1
                Quote: Yeraz
                And for me, this will be a repeat of Georgia, Azerbaijan will move away from Russia .....
                It’s how many people have gone to Syria from there, and in flaming Azerbaijan, it’ll travel more and more to the whole Caucasus. As a result, everyone will lose and America will win again.

                It is possible that this may or may not smile The population of Azerbaijan by 70-80% is approximately Shiite Muslims as well as in Iran, so it is quite possible that they "tilt" towards it.
                So if the inhabitants of the North Caucasus (mainly Sunnis) go to Azerbaijan, then do not fight on the side of the Azerbaijanis, but fight against them.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 19 February 2016 21: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  It is quite possible that this may or may not be the case. The population of Azerbaijan by 70-80% is approximately Shiite Muslims, as in Iran, so it is quite possible that they "tilt" towards him.

                  Forgive me enough, how to repeat this mantra according to the Shablan. Azerbaijanis and other Turkic peoples are not schizan on this, like Arabs.
                  These Shiites are the same Shiites as Azerbaijanis are Sunnis. This doesn’t really matter.
                  There are even ardent Shiites who hate Iran. It plays the role of blood and your nationality. In Karabakh, this did not stop the Sunnis from Chechens and Sunnis from the Afghans from fighting for the Shiites of Azerbaijanis, who at that time, even didn’t know much about it and liked to drink alcohol and smoke a cigar.
                  It will be a war of Muslims against Christians. This is the background of this information.
                  And believe me, Turkey and Saudi Arabia will create the right background, even for ultra-radical Sunnis.
                  Azerbaijan is better friends with Arabs than with Iran.
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  So if the inhabitants of the North Caucasus (mainly Sunnis) go to Azerbaijan, then do not fight on the side of the Azerbaijanis, but fight against them.

                  I am in this circle, they do not perceive Azerbaijanis as an alien element, and even more so from the perspective of the madhhabs.

                  Why do you think the Turks are rushing to Syria ??? Because the Kurds have quietly dug in there and are giving all their support to the PKK brothers in Turkey. Therefore, we need a buffer zone.
                  And now imagine the opposite: Ala Syrian Azerbaijan in Chaos on the border of the Russian Caucasus, which literally blazed 15 years ago. It is simply the perfect ground for a fire.
                  1. prishelec
                    prishelec 19 February 2016 21: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    So if the inhabitants of the North Caucasus (mainly Sunnis) go to Azerbaijan, then do not fight on the side of the Azerbaijanis, but fight against them.
                    I am in this circle, they do not perceive Azerbaijanis as an alien element, and even more so from the perspective of the madhhabs.

                    That's right, as far as I know, but I know a lot)) Caucasians in particular Chechens respect Azerbaijanis, they are Shiites or Sunnis no difference!
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 19 February 2016 23: 33
                      0
                      Quote: prishelec
                      Caucasians in particular Chechens respect Azerbaijanis, they are Shiites or Sunnis no matter!

                      There is a special story with the Chechens. They were accepted on difficult days, they fought, and later the detachment of the Gray Wolves of Azerbaijan fought for them.
                      And Azerbaijan and Turkey are mobilizing a lot of fighters there. Half of the Caucasus is the Türkic region, and the other certainly does not take the Russians closer to it than the same Azerbaijanis.
                      Even the story of the tragedy of January 20, when the Soviet troops were introduced to suppress the rebellion and execution of the people. Not one Muslim division among the abandoned troops, only Christians.
                      Since Soviet Muslims are a completely different layer than Arab ones.
                      Yes, Kadyrov can send to the Donbass to shoot at the Ukrainian military, and now let him send them to shoot at the Turks or Azerbaijanis, they will either refuse or switch to the other side.
                      And in suppressing the riots in Azerbaijan, in tsarist Russia, in the USSR at the beginning and at the end, exclusively Armenians were used, rarely Georgians. Since the Muslims of the Caucasus would not have cut their own at the direction of others, especially Christians, although it is not like Christians, namely Russian.
                      1. Lekxnumx
                        Lekxnumx 20 February 2016 06: 20
                        +2
                        Again, you think very optimistically about the relationship, I am about this "and the other certainly does not perceive Russians closer to her than the same Azerbaijanis." Once it was like this, and help came from the North Caucasus to the Az-ts and vice versa. But since then a lot of water has flowed. Thanks to Aliyev, the elder, the southern frontier of Dagestan the Lezgins do not consider the Az-ts friends against Russia, although they once opposed the Armenians together. in Az, not to maintain the Russian language, they print books, but to maintain the Lezghin language of the second largest people in the country, NOTHING. there is no need to write about any Sadvali like prevention against. Half of the leaders of Sadval were pro-Azerbaijani and wanted the reunification of southern Dagestan to Az-nu to their Muslims, as the Lezgins remember how they fought together against the Dashnaks, the Bolsheviks who exterminated the Lezgins, including. But again, politics The Aliyevs imprisoned everyone indiscriminately, and created an enemy for themselves in the form of the Dagestani Lezgins. And Russia of the pro-Azerbaijani Lezgins who were for the separation of t Dagestan did not plant a single one, but the Aliyevs distinguished themselves by the fact that they even imprisoned those who were in favor of joining with Az-n. Today the situation is like that for Az-nu in the person of Aliyev, the Lezgins have NO trust. not according to rough estimates, 25 citizens (if not more) of the Russian Federation live Lezghin and Avar nationality. And this is the card Russia's trump card, by the way, and in the event of Az-n's transformation into Syria (God forbid I live here) NONE of the Lezghins of Dagestan is in the interests Az-na will not speak either religious or secular. Thanks to the Aliyevs, besides, it is not a fact that the Lezgins of the north of Az-na will fiercely defend the territorial integrity of Az-na, but rather want to unite with Russia. Since the absolute majority of the north works and earns a living there in the Russian Federation, and the situation there with the rights of the nation is MUCH BETTER. Nobody prohibits songs like it is in Qusar, no one prohibits names in Lezgi, although Baku is full of English-speaking brands. There is no trust if Lezgins take the side Do not be offended by Russia, although the Avars will be against if the Lezgins somehow move or join Dagestan to the north and lose their monopoly on power, but they will not go out against the Russian Federation either. When Russia was in a terrible state, they did not come out, now even more so, except perhaps the third world war.
                      2. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 20 February 2016 13: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        Yezgin does not consider Az-tsev friends against Russia,

                        we see communicate with different Lezgins.
                        The last year has had a lot of contacts with the Lezghins of the younger generation, they are very similar to Azerbaijanis and not a single negative. Each of them is either a relative of Azerbaijanis or a friend of Azerbaijanis.
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        Half of Sadval’s leaders were pro-Azerbaijani and wanted reunification of southern Dagestan with Az-nah their Muslims

                        do not tell my slippers, as they say)))
                        Quote: Lek3338
                        Thanks to the Aliyevs, besides, it is not a fact that the Lezghins of the north of Az-N will violently defend the territorial integrity of Az-n, rather they want to unite with Russia.

                        Have you ever been to the building of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan ??? More than half of the officers there are LEZGINS. And on the whole, there are the majority of officers in the Lezgin army. Maybe they are not in Nakhchivan. Therefore, there is no need to tell tales about mistrust.
                      3. Lekxnumx
                        Lekxnumx 21 February 2016 00: 53
                        +2
                        1 Is the Lezgin itself an unimportant fact? It's not about your friends or my az-ts who are huge, it's about the Lezgins of the North Caucasus in general! 2 Is this funny to you? Confirmation that information content cried like a cat. On the one hand, brothers, relatives, etc., and on the other, Sadvale could not have pro-Azerbaijani Lezghins? Not clear logic, however. Could it be because local TV said so? Then the names of the couple Gadzhi Abduragimov, Tagir Mustafayev, Nizami Fetullayev, Bakhtiyar Fetullayev were supporters of joining Az-nu. Feyzuddin Nagiyev is not the last person in Sadval. 3 Who are the fake "Lezgins" like Abiyev Nadzhmetdin Sadikhov? Of course, there are military men, this is what Lezgins are able to do "military affairs" the heirs of Mahmud Abilov, a combat general of the Second World War, after all, who rose to the rank directly in battles and not in the headquarters in peacetime. North and Az-na only count with the fingers of one hand. But "more than half" is nonsense names of surnames, and then we saw how Tata Lips pass for Lezghins Abiyev, for example.
              2. Lekxnumx
                Lekxnumx 20 February 2016 05: 49
                +3
                In the event of a conflict in Az, the North Caucasus will blaze unlike something in Syria. But there will be no one to help the Azs in the North Caucasus, because when Russia is weakened (hypothetically), the Caucasians will divide the North Caucasus. The same Dagestan does not have any political situation satisfied, but the radicals of which can quite a few unite some on a religious basis and not on a national basis. But still, it’s very optimistic to imagine Lezgin from Yuzhdag howling against the Russian Federation for Az-an from the category. But it’s not religion that will push them and nothing more .About the Az-tsev’s madhhabs in Dagestan, the help from Dagestan is considered rafidite only from the Derbent Az-tsev, well, maximum Tabasarans and Kumyks. Rather, the Sunni Dagestanians will set fire to Az-an, but certainly not the Az-ts to unite the Muslims of the Caucasus against the Russian Federation.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 20 February 2016 13: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: Lek3338
                  But anyway, it’s very optimistic to imagine Lezgin from Yuzhdag howling against the Russian Federation for Az-en.

                  There will be. Do not forget the Sunnis are not so few in Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis and Chechens in Syria fight mainly in the same units.
                  Quote: Lek3338
                  Rather, the Dagestanis Sunnis set fire to Az-an, but certainly not the Az-ts to unite the Muslims of the Caucasus against the Russian Federation.

                  Turkey will unite. Azerbaijan will play its role. I have already said the current regime and Erdogan himself is a favorite of the Russian Sunnis, which I do not like the nationalist. But the fact is a fact.
                  Along with the minuses of the participation of Azerbaijanis in Syria and Iraq as part of terrorist groups, there are positive aspects. These are experience and networking. And if Assad is Alevi and Alevi is in power everywhere, then Shiites and Sunnis equally hate Aliyev. Therefore, this is not a map will be held in Azerbaijan. Lezgins are our brothers, everything is so mixed up there, and even more so over the past 20 years, when all Azerbaijan moved to Baku and total assimilation of everyone began. And if nothing happened in that chaos and in a much more uniform composition, then right now there will definitely be nothing more organized and much less uniform.
                  If there is no direct intervention of the Russian Federation, nothing will happen.
                  1. Lekxnumx
                    Lekxnumx 21 February 2016 01: 52
                    +1
                    Yes, you are just as naive as the Russians are naive here, thinking that the Turks and Az-ts are Sunnis and Shiites and this can embroil them. Anyway, go to the South Dagestan Forum of the Lezgins of Dagestan and read what political attitude towards Az-nu. Then write "will be" we will wait and see how they say as in the proverb halva halva deməknən agız şirin olmur, həyata real baxmag lazımdı. Therefore, the fact that Erdogan unite Caucasians against Russia is very optimistic. Caucasians do not make a living in Turkey massively, even living in the north from there "Eslim" earn in Yuzhdag and other parts of Russia. To fight for Erdogan or for Az-an and get into the composition to live under unofficial prohibitions? Thinking about Muslim unity were in the 90s, but as we can see, even they regretted their intentions. The world does not revolve around the Turks and around the Russians, every sane person has his own national interests above all. Again, I highlight the word sane, again we will conduct an experiment, ask your friends to quoteyou that from the native culture of some of the classics Or ask about mythology something from the fairy tales mah (flies) aky lag. Every second person in the Caucasus (if not everyone) can tell you religious tales, but something of his own. Thanks to this, they are preserved peoples oral creativity handed down from generation to generation. How many of them to answer? After that, draw conclusions Lezgins or not. I also know such men Lezgiyam ama Lezgiche bilmiremee.
                  2. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 21 February 2016 21: 31
                    -2
                    Quote: Lek3338
                    Therefore, the fact that Erdogan unite Caucasians against Russia is very optimistic. Caucasians do not make a living in Turkey en masse, even those living in the north themselves from there "eslim" earn in Yuzhdag and other parts of Russia. To fight for Erdogan or for Az-an and get into composition to live under unofficial prohibitions?

                    Well, no one made money in Syria either, there are now thousands of inhabitants of the Caucasus fighting there, and in Azerbaijan there will be even more and closer and much more relatives.
                    This is from the series that I suppose I don’t go to fight for the Uyghur in China, only with money and other help. But if you are in full swing against the Kumyks or Turks, I will definitely go to fight.
                    Therefore, count the number of warriors in a distant Arab country and multiply this by at least 2.
                    Quote: Lek3338
                    here after this draw conclusions lezgins they or not. I also know such men lezgamy ama lezgiche bilmiiremee.

                    Well, by this method, there will be no Azerbaijanis and Turks either))))
                    I used to be sure that Lezgins were definitely the most dangerous element and most importantly an alien element. I just didn’t meet them. And when I read you what Lezgi sites said, I generally believed that they were enemies.
                    Then he started going to Baku, saw the total number of them, the darkness of mixed families, the huge number of Lezgi officers, he learned about the Lezgin martyrs and changed his mind. I thought it was North Caucasian like that.
                    And last year I came across them. All the villagers, Lezgi know a few words from Azerbaijan. And I was surprised that they even have a lot of mixed families, no negative feelings for Azerbaijanis and even met some who said this is our land, we are Muslims and we live in peace and tear anyone who tries to embroil us.
                    Our argument is useless, time will tell. Usually the active part decides more than just the chatting most. In the 90s, the majority crushed the minority among Lezgins and Talysh. As time will tell now.
                  3. Lekxnumx
                    Lekxnumx 23 February 2016 02: 46
                    +1
                    Clear business useless debate if we are talking about a hypothetical future. Let's see
      2. MMX
        MMX 20 February 2016 06: 02
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: MMX
        RF maintains balance. Tries at least. So, as the United States does (a system of checks and balances).

        And for me, this will be a repeat of Georgia, Azerbaijan will move away from Russia, then they will collide, Azerbaijan will lose, but given the difference from Georgia, ala Caucasian Syria or Iraq can easily appear with a bunch of different Islamic terrorist organizations that will spread to the North Caucasus and light up there. How many people from there went to Syria, and flaming Azerbaijan will travel more and more to the whole Caucasus. As a result, everyone will lose and America will win again.


        But it turns out that so far only the United States benefits (the presence of destabilization in the vast expanses of the former USSR). Regarding the remoteness of Azerbaijan, I think that when making decisions on the supply of arms to Armenia, the leadership took into account all factors (including, probably, there were contacts and the situation of reaction from Azerbaijan was calculated). Nobody puts intelligence on the table with us and we do not have information. I admit that in response, Azerbaijan will also receive a bun. This is a big policy, here trades are held behind closed doors, and profit can be delayed.
    2. Seal
      Seal 20 February 2016 08: 43
      0
      Quote: MMX
      At the same time, ensuring its interests and influence in the region.

      That is, in your opinion, our interest is that smoldering conflict is constantly maintained in this region? Moreover, which are our hostages at the base of Gyumri, since the base in Gyumri is within reach of the Turkish (and they have German) barrel artillery from the back slopes of the mountains in Turkish territory? The terrain is such that the Turkish side is higher.

      Are you sure that you correctly understand what is the interest of Russia in general and in this region in particular?
      1. MMX
        MMX 20 February 2016 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Seal
        Quote: MMX
        At the same time, ensuring its interests and influence in the region.

        That is, in your opinion, our interest is that smoldering conflict is constantly maintained in this region?

        Are you sure that you correctly understand what is the interest of Russia in general and in this region in particular?


        A full-fledged war between Armenia and Azerbaijan is definitely not beneficial to us. In order to prevent this from happening and the parties sought to resolve issues through negotiations (or, in any case, not by military methods), it is necessary to ensure to a certain extent military parity (when the military method of resolving the issue will not be beneficial to either side). In any case, we bear the costs of any decision we make. In this case, the country's leadership, having all the necessary information, having weighed all the pros and cons, made just such a decision. This means that the costs for this option are less than if they had acted differently. Is that clearer?
        1. Seal
          Seal 20 February 2016 19: 29
          -1
          Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
          If we assume that Georgia has joined NATO, then let's see what is more dangerous for us:
          a) if Azerbaijan joins NATO
          b) if Armenia joins NATO

          Let's start with the last one. If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear.

          But if Azerbaijan joins NATO when Georgia is already there, then look at the map. We are cut off from Iran. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
          It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of politics from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" (and Kazakhstan too) of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
          By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already soaped themselves with rail transit to China past Russia. From the ports of Ukraine, sea ferries carry wagons to the port of Batumi, from Batumi rail cars go to Baku, there they are again rolled back onto the ferry and the ferry goes to Kazakhstan. And from there, as it should be - wagons on rails roll to China. And if Azerbaijan falls out, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. Armenia is not able to replace Azerbaijan in this project.

          And Armenia ... yes, to hell with us, we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
          It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan regains Karabakh, preferably with our help. Then he is ours tightly !! And only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it gets a little bit against us, then the Armenians can again take Karabakh.

          This is the interest of Russia. It is necessary to play the game of "check and counterbalance" with a profit. And playing at a loss is nonsense.

          While the conflict there is smoldering, from which we will supposedly be equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore towards NATO. And thereby give the Ukrainians the opportunity to all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or the supply of Turkmen gas to Ukraine.
          And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia.
          What is our national interest here?
          In short, try to explain to me again. Consider me such that from your first time I did not understand anything.
    3. Seal
      Seal 20 February 2016 20: 02
      -1
      Quote: MMX
      (system of checks and balances). At the same time, ensuring its interests and influence in the region.


      To play the game "system of checks and balances", like any other game, including political games, must be profitable. Or at least not at a loss. And playing at a loss is a fool's business. Which, sooner or later, will go bust anyway. And it is very bad that in this case Russia is again playing the role of a fool, as has often happened before.

      So far, there, in the Transcaucasus, the conflict is smoldering, from which we will be supposedly equidistant (but still a little closer to Armenia) Azerbaijan (seeing this and not hoping for our help in returning Karabakh) will inevitably drift towards Georgia, and therefore towards NATO. And thereby give the Ukrainians the opportunity to all sorts of intrigues, such as Chinese transit or the supply of Turkmen gas to Ukraine.
      And the Armenians will constantly untwist us for money, under their high-profile songs that they are our only friend and ally in Transcaucasia.
      What is our national interest here? Constantly losing money directly (gifts from Armenia) and indirectly (the transit that was supposed to go through us goes by us).
      In fact, Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
      I show this with a simple example.
      Let's imagine that Georgia has already joined NATO and see what is more dangerous for us:
      a) if Azerbaijan then joins NATO
      b) if Armenia then joins NATO

      Let's start with the last one. If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear. Well, or we can assume that Turkey’s NATO member has yet another area in the east of the country. And that’s it. No problem for us.

      But if Azerbaijan joins NATO when Georgia is already there, then look at the map. From Iran, we instantly become cut off. Communication is only by sea. And NATO ships will appear on the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
      It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of policy from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan of any illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
      By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs to Ukraine and Georgia, which have already hopped for rail transit to China past Russia (wagons from the ports of Ukraine carry wagons to the port of Batumi, from Batumi the wagons go by rail to Baku, there they again roll them back to ferry and ferry goes to Kazakhstan. And from there, as it should be - cars on rails roll to China).
      And if Azerbaijan falls out of this chain, then to hell with it, and not Chinese transit. There is no one to replace Azerbaijan. Armenia has no access to the Caspian Sea.

      And Armenia ... yes, to hell with us, we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
      It is beneficial for us that Azerbaijan, with our help or with our connivance, regain Karabakh. Then our Azerbaijan is tight !!
      And only after that, when we will tightly bind Azerbaijan, only then will it be possible to gradually feed Armenia with weapons. So that Azerbaijan clearly understands that if it tries even a little bit to loosen the rope that ties Azerbaijan to Russia, then the Armenians can again begin to take Karabakh.

      This is the interest of Russia.
      I understand, this is cynical. But useful.
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 19 February 2016 15: 44
    +2
    It will cost more to itself to come up with ...
  • PKK
    PKK 19 February 2016 15: 08
    0
    Everything is smooth and transparent, but somewhere there should be an Armenian sacher.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 19 February 2016 15: 08
    +5
    This is not so much compared with the army of Azerbaijan. One reassures that Azerbaijanis are weak soldiers, but strong traders ... they will sell everything to the Armenians ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 February 2016 15: 09
    +4
    The rearmament of the Armenian Army is necessary, at least to cool the hot Azerbaijani heads. If Azerbaijanis rush to Armenia, then all this gimmick will rise several times more expensive.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 15: 19
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If Azerbaijanis rush to Armenia, then all this gimmick will rise several times more expensive.

      While the troops of the Russian Federation are in Armenia, even if the strength of the Azerbaijani army is 2 times larger and is armed with the latest technology, not one will get there.
      And this act will completely turn Baku away. And then everyone here will shout that it is America to blame and its NGOs.
    2. apro
      apro 19 February 2016 16: 35
      +1
      The mountain shooter, both heads need to be cooled, and the macaws in this situation also do not suffer from predictability and do not ask Moscow to aggravate the situation. Russia does not have any levers to solve the Karabakh problem, but to play on contradictions does not work for a long time, and make money on supplies even on credit it is extremely doubtful that if it breaks out, our losses are incommensurable with the proceeds of the arms trade.
    3. Seal
      Seal 20 February 2016 19: 13
      0
      The rearmament of the Armenian Army is necessary, at least to cool the hot Azerbaijani heads. If Azerbaijanis rush to Armenia, then all this gimmick will rise several times more expensive.

      Azerbaijanis, if they throw somewhere, it’s not in Armenia, but in Karabakh.
      And we do not recognize Karabakh as independent. And Armenia itself also does not recognize Karabakh as independent. And it does not include it either.
      And according to all UN resolutions, Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan.
      So, if Azerbaijan begins to regain Karabakh, and Armenia fits into Karabakh, it will be a purely Azerbaijani-Karabakh-Armenian showdown. This is NOT OUR business. That is, it doesn’t get up to us at all.
      Russia needs Azerbaijan, not Armenia.
      If we assume that Georgia has joined NATO, then let's see what is more dangerous for us:
      a) if Azerbaijan joins NATO
      b) if Armenia joins NATO

      Let's start with the last one. If Armenia joins NATO (when Georgia is already a member of NATO), this will not affect the weather in any way. Well, we’ll just assume that somewhere in the back of Georgia, far from our border, another Georgian region will appear.

      But if Azerbaijan joins NATO when Georgia is already there, then look at the Map. We are cut off from Iran. Communication is only by sea. But also the ships of the NATO will appear in the Caspian Sea. Do we need it?
      It is vitally important for us to urgently change the vector of politics from pro-Armenian to involving Azerbaijan in our orbit. If we tie Azerbaijan to ourselves, we will thereby completely deprive our Central Asian "friends" and Kazakhstan, too, of any last illusions that they have the opportunity to pull their pipelines to Europe, bypassing Russia (or Azerbaijan, which is tied to us).
      By tying Azerbaijan to us, we will cut the eggs of both Ukraine and Georgia, which have already soaped themselves with rail transit to China past Russia. From the ports of Ukraine, sea ferries carry wagons to the port of Batumi, from Batumi wagons go by rail to Baku, there they are again rolled back onto the ferry and the ferry goes to Kazakhstan. And from there, as it should be - wagons on rails roll to China.

      And Armenia ... yes, to hell with us, we need this Armenia, located in such a bum of the world that it is impossible to get into it from Russia by land without the consent of Azerbaijan or Georgia. And by the sea - this is through Iran and there are another thousand miles, and all with mountains, mountains.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 20 February 2016 19: 15
        -1
        Quote: Seal
        And Armenia ... why the hell do we need this Armenia,

        many do not understand this obvious thing)
        1. Seal
          Seal 22 February 2016 13: 25
          -1
          many do not understand this obvious thing)

          Because the propaganda machine works well on their part. And Azerbaijanis are picking their nose. For a long time already, it would have been necessary to apply for membership in the CSTO.
  • Max40
    Max40 19 February 2016 15: 09
    +1
    Carpool-M is cool.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 19 February 2016 15: 11
    -2
    Only the Armenians do not understand that "in 13 years they will have to give back, and with interest. Time flies quickly." It means that Russia by this step has caught up with Armenia even more.
  • OlegV
    OlegV 19 February 2016 15: 14
    0
    I, too, at first was outraged six months ago, when I heard that Armenia had written off something about $ 940 million, and then I read about our bases located there .... and it became clear what, why.

    so we are friends with Armenians only for good.
    and even without Russia they will immediately be devoured with giblets, they understand this like no one else.
    1. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 19 February 2016 15: 33
      0
      some expensive bases are obtained. if Armenia needs weapons, let them pay; if they need electricity, let them pay. otherwise - "I'm not angry and I forgive everyone I owe" ..

      By the way - Armenia recognized the Crimea?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 February 2016 17: 01
        +4
        Quote: vlad_vlad

        By the way - Armenia recognized the Crimea?

        No, of course, like Belarus.
      2. Vova Vartanov
        Vova Vartanov 19 February 2016 17: 02
        +4
        By the way, Russia did not write off any debt to Armenia, you obviously meant Georgia. We paid in full - the debt of about 100 million was repaid by property (the Mergelyan Institute, the robotics plant, the Mars plant and the Hrazdan cascade with Hrazdanmash). Then in 2008, a debt of 500 million was taken and repaid last year by an IMF loan.
        And one more thing, Russia does not pay for the 102 military base and Erebuni airport.
        1. Seal
          Seal 20 February 2016 17: 31
          -2
          Quote: Vova Vartanov
          We paid in full

          Can I laugh?
          An economic analysis of the method of repaying loans by Armenia here:
          http://regnum.ru/news/808440.html
          Abrahamyan went for it and got down to business with the help of the then Deputy Prime Minister Ilya Klebanov. He, in turn, instructed the Russian Agency for Control Systems (RASU) subordinate to him, headed by the then head of the agency Vladimir Simonov, to take on the balance sheet unprofitable enterprises: the Mars plant (which had been idle since the collapse of the USSR) and three research institutes: YerNIIASU, Research Institute "Materials Science", CJSC "ErNIIMM". Then, the Hrazdan CHPP built in the 60s, with the unfinished fifth power unit, was also thrown off the balance of Russia. In the latter case, the combination was ingenious: let the Russians supply gas to their own station and raise the price as much as they want.
          How were objects that had not been working for a long time and without any profit been valued at $ 100 million? Apparently, ask Klebanov about this. After all, even Simonov from RASU officially warned that after being accepted to the balance, the facilities would require additional investments, which at least should be provided for in the budget. However, Klebanov and Ara Abrahamyan stated in response to numerous questions from the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Economic Development that the order to accept the known junk from the Armenian side from above was received from above. Of course, this statement is in great doubt.
          There is no doubt that the authorities referred to by Klebanov and Abrahamyan preferred to accept the Kajaran Copper-Molybdenum Combine (ZMMK) (an uninterruptedly operating enterprise previously closely connected with the Russian ferrous metallurgy) and the Armenian NPP to offset the debt. However, all of the above "virtual" objects were estimated exactly in the amount of Armenia's debt to Russia. At the same time, it was argued that under all the research institutes, allegedly, expensive land. Thus, it turned out that land in New York is cheaper than in Yerevan.
          Despite the protests of the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, an agreement on the adoption of virtual objects on the balance of Russia was signed on July 17, 2002 by Mr. Klebanov. The State Duma’s reasonable question remained unanswered: who, and on the basis of what particular criteria, selected long-dead enterprises as payment for debt repayment?
          What has happened since then?
          Of course, enterprises do not work. Moreover, some Armenian publications blame Russia for this. The molybdenum copper plant needed by Russia (and Armenia itself!) Was sold for pennies to an unknown European company.
  • Kadex
    Kadex 19 February 2016 15: 19
    +2
    "The loan was allocated at a rate of 3,0% per annum for a period of 10 years with a deferred payment until February 2018 ..."
    Yes, for a loan and with such conditions, you can only dream of a simple person and citizen ... recourse
    1. fif21
      fif21 19 February 2016 15: 38
      0
      Quote: KADEX
      Yes, for a loan and with such conditions, you can only dream of a simple person and citizen ...

      Do you want to take a foreign currency loan? Oh well fool
      1. Kadex
        Kadex 19 February 2016 17: 56
        0
        Who told you currency?
        "Advance payments are at least 10% of the value of each contract and are made by the Armenian side in favor of Russian authorized organizations in Russian rubles", - bmpd gives the terms of the agreement."
    2. fif21
      fif21 19 February 2016 15: 38
      -1
      Quote: KADEX
      Yes, for a loan and with such conditions, you can only dream of a simple person and citizen ...

      Do you want to take a foreign currency loan? Oh well fool
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 19 February 2016 17: 46
        +2
        Currency is Russian ruble. Read the text of the agreement carefully. And by 2018, moreover, for the ruble they will only give in the face - strictly according to Saltykov-Shchedrin.
  • Check
    Check 19 February 2016 15: 20
    0
    and all in a piece version chtol?)))
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna 19 February 2016 15: 22
    0
    In 1997, there was a scandal, then Russia supplied Armenia with military equipment and ammunition more than a motorized rifle division. There were: tanks, infantry fighting bombs, self-propelled guns and others. And nothing. Azerbaijan at first, almost completely broke off diplomatic relations, but then cooled down and wiped out.
    1. fif21
      fif21 19 February 2016 15: 42
      +1
      Quote: Chisain
      .Azerbaijan at first, almost in severity, broke off diplomatic relations,
      Any whim for their money! laughing In addition to a vigorous bomb. If you want to buy something, then buy it! Why can't others? request
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  • Engineer
    Engineer 19 February 2016 15: 24
    0
    And why should they give out these hackneyed list as a document? This is ridiculously simple.
  • BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA 19 February 2016 15: 27
    +2
    Moscow Armenians and not only, could be dumped for the country
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 15: 30
      0
      Quote: BABA SHURA
      Moscow Armenians and not only, could be dumped for the country

      They threw off and threw off more than once. It was simply that the Armenians there threw them at their grandmothers, put them in their pocket. And they would not dare to throw Russia a more serious thing.
  • salad
    salad 19 February 2016 15: 30
    0
    It is necessary for them to supply a VAZ-2106 with tinting, under the guise of a taxi, they will take all the Turks out of the country somewhere laughing
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 19 February 2016 15: 33
    +4
    It will be used by the Armenian side in 2015 - 2017
    It is interesting why this material was published now, when, as I understand it, the contract was signed last year, and maybe even earlier, judging by the timing of its implementation. It looks like an organized stuffing. wink yes
    1. thinker
      thinker 19 February 2016 16: 36
      +2
      Well yes. I was bothered to look for the "tails" of this news.
      According to the results of 26 June In Yerevan, the meeting of the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan with the Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation, co-chair of the Armenian-Russian intergovernmental commission Maxim Sokolov announced the provision of Armenia with a Russian loan in the amount of $ 200 million for the purchase of the latest types of weapons.
      National Assembly of Armenia at an extraordinary meeting July 2 ratified the Armenian-Russian intergovernmental agreement on granting Armenia a state export loan.

      http://newsland.com/user/4296705867/content/4734664
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 February 2016 15: 33
    +2
    Turkey has fallen apart, now it will always be under the gun.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 February 2016 15: 37
    +6
    yeraz please tell me when was the tank close to rf? and most importantly, do you propose that the steps of the rf on the air force be agreed with Azerbaijan? we will go so far, with 300, coordinate with Iran, fight in Syria with Turkey, development of the Arctic with Canada, arrangement of smoking with Japan. Tell me, where in this case are the sovereign acts of the independent largest country on the ball ?!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: newbie
      yeraz please tell me when was the tank close to rf?

      Are you kidding ??? Given the support provided by the Russian Federation to Armenia, the fact that Azerbaijan is not a fierce enemy of Russia is already a miracle. All thanks to Aliyev. And even relations are very developed. In the 90s there was a scandal with billions of weapons transferred to Armenia. They closed the topic, started to establish relations, drove out all Chechen emissaries, established order on the border. But Russia was pumping up Armenia. And there was only hope that Russia would take at least neutrality, no. Again, modern weapons for nothing.
      Quote: newbie
      and most importantly, do you propose that the steps of the rf on the air force be agreed with Azerbaijan?

      No, it’s just to leave the Minsk group, where Russia is 1 of 3 supposedly mediators and stop playing a peacemaker who supposedly solves the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. The French and the Americans don’t sell weapons to both sides of the conflict and they just say blah. Russia says the same thing but at the same time pumps both sides with weapons.
      I am looking at it strategically.

      Understand this, it forces Azerbaijan to move in opposite blocks, because there is NO hope for Russia. And this will lead to the situation with Georgia and Ukraine, only worse. Since Azerbaijan is the only Muslim country in the Caucasus, the North Caucasus will burn and there will be many victims and Azerbaijan will lose more land, because it’s stupid to hope for victory over Russia. And there will be ala Iraqi or Syrian Azerbaijan, only on the border with Russia, butt-in-head with Muslims of the Russian Caucasus with a bunch of different terrorist and nationalist groups. I don’t want this. But everything goes to that.
      But all this will happen, and in Russia they will blame the Americans, Saudis and Turks who have kindled a fire against Russia.
      Neither Georgia, nor Ukraine, nor Syria teaches the Russian leadership anything.
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 19 February 2016 16: 50
        +7
        Yeraz. If you, as you scribble comments, would have fought in Karabakh the same way: fired a machine gun and threw grenades. The result of the Karabakh war would probably have been. to others.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2016 17: 39
          0
          Quote: Chisain
          If you, as you scribble comments, would have fought in Karabakh the same way: fired a machine gun and threw grenades. That would probably be the result of the Karabakh war. to others.

          but only when I was a baby it was difficult for me to do it. I'll show you a new one, since I’ve already shot all of the above, except throwing a real grenade.
        2. Artura0777
          Artura0777 20 February 2016 01: 38
          +3
          Yes, the problem of Azerbaijan is that everyone scratches with languages ​​like this eraz, sofa warriors))))))))
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 20 February 2016 13: 52
            -1
            Quote: Artura0777
            Yes, the problem of Azerbaijan is that everyone scratches with languages ​​like this eraz, sofa warriors

            Sofa warriors ??? I just urge not to make mistakes leading to huge blood.
            Only couch warriors here at times more.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 February 2016 17: 01
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        And only the hope appeared that Russia would take at least neutrality, so no. Again, modern weapons for nothing.

        Neutrality, at the very least, implies not interfering in the affairs of the two countries. When Russia sells a bunch of weapons to Azerbaijan, it completely suits you. And here you are unhappy.
        Quote: Yeraz
        Russia says the same thing that they are, but at the same time pumps arms on both sides.

        Well, you yourself wanted to buy a weapon or they forced you into it.
        Quote: Yeraz
        But everything goes to that.

        To avoid this, you just need to sit down at the negotiating table and finally start to negotiate and nothing more!
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2016 17: 42
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          When Russia sells a bunch of weapons to Azerbaijan, it suits you completely. And here you are unhappy.

          Many thought that finally Russia changed its position, therefore they were satisfied. Right now, I personally am not happy with the purchase of Russian weapons. Russia made grandmothers and continues arming Armenia. Aliyev harmed the country.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          To avoid this, you just need to sit down at the negotiating table and finally start to negotiate and nothing more!

          Well, the Armenians will not agree when a strong Russia is behind them.
          Why should he make concessions ????? The territories are in their hands. And Russia gives krdeyty and people are provided with work in Russia.
      3. 24hours
        24hours 19 February 2016 17: 05
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        Quote: Yeraz
        Again, modern weapons for next to nothing.

        For nothing? You are a great optimist.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 19 February 2016 17: 49
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          Quote: 24hours
          For nothing? You are a great optimist.

          Given that these weapons are sold at domestic prices and at 3%, this is nothing.
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  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 February 2016 15: 41
    +2
    there is no salat in the Turks.
  • chikenous59
    chikenous59 19 February 2016 15: 53
    +1
    For the first time, I see that a list of supplied military products is published freely.
    This is not casual. A hint to the neighbors of Armenia.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 February 2016 15: 58
    +2
    Baba Shura don’t hesitate; they are skylized, thrown off and will be thrown off. foreign Armenians and Muscovites transfer money to Armenia for social programs, humanitarian areas of the budget, etc. but it must be so rich to be thrown into the army, and even to get the supplier out for single deliveries ?! although this already happened in emergency times in Karabakh. but now thank god about the equipment my state_ thinks independently.
  • 2014ya.ru
    2014ya.ru 19 February 2016 16: 20
    0
    Why bother selling arms to Armenia? We won’t be able to do it ourselves if someone scrambles at them and we’ll stand for the Christians, all the more so our bases are there. In Russia, the crisis is at the height of work; there are no working pensioners in indexation; the budget is denied; they will have to cut it and probably more than once. The dollar will fall anyway in 10 years. Who won? It would be better if this money stayed at home in the budget of the country!
    1. Vova Vartanov
      Vova Vartanov 19 February 2016 17: 12
      +3
      Of course you can laughing ! 102 base until December equipped with a residual principle of 5 people against the 000rd Field Army (3 Turks) I'm not talking about 100 thousand Turks in the Caspian army (Azerbaijan Republic) from the back and 000 Turks in the Nakhichevan army from the left flank .
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 19 February 2016 17: 22
        +2
        If anything, then in Russia it is possible to form one army of 3 (three) divisions. From the citizens of Armenia. By last names: Galustyan, Manukyan, Asatryan and others. And send 102-base for help.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 19 February 2016 16: 52
    +2
    Quote: 2014ya.ru
    Why sell arms to Armenia at all

    So Armenia is a member of the CSTO. Are they supposed to defend common interests without weapons?
    The most interesting thing is the document. 31 position on 200 cartoons of greenery. So the specifications do not make up
  • pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 19 February 2016 16: 58
    +1
    Why are these troubles with loans? They would give up arms just like that, all the same, after a dozen years, debts will be written off. Not the first time. Or is it another Serdyukov who draws up for kickbacks? request
  • Malachite
    Malachite 19 February 2016 17: 24
    +3
    Armenia is possible! Their tankmen at the tank biathlon showed themselves in the highest class! Moreover, Erdogan has often become frequent in Azerbaijan, something lately ...
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 19 February 2016 18: 05
      +4
      Quote: Malachite
      Erdogan has frequently visited Azerbaijan, something lately ...
      Actually, the first visit after E.’s re-election took place in Baku. This is already a good tradition, because they are strategic allies, and we are just a beneficial partner for Azerbaijan (albeit with one common history in the past).
      Quote: Malachite
      Their tankmen at the tank biathlon showed themselves in the highest class!
      They and our tankers in mountainous terrain regularly show such a "class" to the inspectors (according to the exercise schedule). And what can you do? The interaction of the Armenian neighbors in the military sphere and the tension in Karabakh force us to hone skills, renew the material base, and strengthen the ability to deploy additional forces. The Americans are investing billions in their European slender allies. And here we need to strengthen and strengthen an ally in the CSTO. And after all, the amount in the conditions of the political moment is simply trifling. Well, good. Anyone who thinks they got it into his pocket, then let's leave the Caucasus altogether. Let's take up defensive positions on the northern passes and from there we will shout down with Turkish or NATO patrols (there is no difference at all). Let's leave Belarus, dig trenches near Smolensk, and in silence and safety, we will count the money saved from self-isolation and praise ourselves for strategic wisdom.
      1. Malachite
        Malachite 19 February 2016 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        And here we need to strengthen and strengthen the CSTO ally. And after all, in the conditions of a political moment, it’s just a shit. Well, whoever thinks it’s got into his pocket, let's leave the Caucasus altogether. We’ll take up defense on the northern passes and from there Turkish or NATO patrols (there is no difference at all) shout out. Let's leave Belarus, digging trenches near Smolensk and we will count in silence and security the savings saved from self-isolation, and praise ourselves for strategic wisdom.

        Excellent spoken! That's right .. hi
    2. Seal
      Seal 20 February 2016 18: 52
      -1
      Their tankmen at the tank biathlon showed themselves in the highest class!


      Well done, well, ridiculed laughing laughing laughing
      Here it is, the Armenian upper class
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4dhYpPLcVM
      Armenian tank stalled after overcoming the obstacle - "Moat with water". laughing
      Only Kuwaitis were funnier. Their tank - rolled over laughing
      1. genisis
        genisis 24 February 2016 13: 20
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        And all the toughest, as always, tankers from Azerbaijan.
        They just didn't come laughing
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 February 2016 17: 32
    +2
    yeraz well, of course, it’s more pleasant for you when the whole of Azerbaijan modernizes Israel Europe, simultaneously selling them weapons. Russia will never leave the group of negotiators, as this will mean a defeat in foreign policy and the surrender of an ally. you don’t see this, don’t hope for nothing.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 17: 55
      -1
      Quote: newbie
      Russia will never leave the group of negotiators, as this will mean a defeat in foreign policy and the surrender of an ally. you don’t see this, don’t hope for nothing.

      continue to think narrowly. from the former USSR countries 5 Christian already hate Russia and with the 2nd war, add, the largest Islamic country in the Caucasus will be a full bouquet.
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna 19 February 2016 18: 16
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    Well, Russia can’t feed them for free like the USSR. The food must be worked out. Here Azerbaijan would take proud Georgia around its neck. You are neighbors in the Caucasus.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 18: 23
      -3
      Quote: Chisain
      Here Azerbaijan would take proud Georgia around its neck. You are neighbors in the Caucasus.

      Well, actually the Azerbaijani oil company SOCAR is the largest taxpayer in Georgia.
      Azerbaijan would have taken Georgia by the neck if they had made the full blockade of the border with Armenia, but they are not ready for this, so they will not be able to see the neck.
  • Malachite
    Malachite 19 February 2016 18: 39
    -2
    Russia supported, supports and will support Armenia! After all, they will cut everyone ... And we Russians know how it feels to be a constant threat from outside and be ready to join the battle!
    1. Seal
      Seal 20 February 2016 18: 41
      -1
      Russia supported, supports and will support Armenia!

      But the Armenians betrayed us, will betray and will betray us.
      If they (Armenians) felt a constant threat, they would live in Armenia and were ready to defend their country. And then we parted ... there are more Armenians living in Russia than Armenia. For almost 3 years, the Armenian National Bureau of Statistics did not dare to publish the results of the 2011 population census. Until pulled under three million - the results are not laid out. Although the opposition says that in reality less than 2 million people live in Armenia.
  • Don36
    Don36 19 February 2016 19: 13
    0
    Again, a loan that Russia will not be returned, as Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and others did not return ... How much longer will the Russian government feed and arm foreign states at the expense of the Russian population ?!
    1. Malachite
      Malachite 19 February 2016 19: 21
      0
      Quote: Don36
      Again, a loan that Russia will not be returned, as Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and others did not return ... How much longer will the Russian government feed and arm foreign states at the expense of the Russian population ?!

      Avaricious pays twice ...! Or do you want others to arm them (against Russia)?
      1. Don36
        Don36 19 February 2016 19: 27
        +1
        And I'm not sure that they will not go against Russia, with Russian weapons. I do not believe them. Russia has only two faithful allies, its army and navy. They gave Ukraine a loan, but they don’t want to pay it, and went against Russia. There are enough of their maydans in Armenia and there is no guarantee that tomorrow they will not come to power. In addition, Armenia separated from Russia, and independent states should feed and arm themselves, at their own expense, and not at the expense of Russia.
        1. Malachite
          Malachite 19 February 2016 21: 18
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          Quote: Don36
          And I'm not sure that they will not go against Russia, with Russian weapons. I do not believe them. Russia has only two faithful allies, its army and navy. They gave Ukraine a loan, but they don’t want to pay it, and went against Russia. There are enough of their maydans in Armenia and there is no guarantee that tomorrow they will not come to power. In addition, Armenia separated from Russia, and independent states should feed and arm themselves, at their own expense, and not at the expense of Russia.

          I’ll tell you one clever thing ... Just don’t be offended! Armenia is not Ukraine (it is completely hostile) ... If Russia leaves Armenia (this means the massacre will begin ...) And we are not so Russian! connects too much with Armenia (I think it’s not worth reminding ..)))
          1. chikenous59
            chikenous59 20 February 2016 06: 27
            +2
            Quote: Malachite
            Don36

            Quote: Malachite
            Quote: Don36
            And I'm not sure that they will not go against Russia, with Russian weapons. I do not believe them. Russia has only two faithful allies, its army and navy. They gave Ukraine a loan, but they don’t want to pay it, and went against Russia. В Armenia has enough of its maydans and there is no guarantee that tomorrow they will not come to power. In addition, Armenia separated from Russia, and independent states should feed and arm themselves, at their own expense, and not at the expense of Russia.

            I’ll tell you one clever thing ... Just don’t be offended! Armenia is not Ukraine (it is completely hostile) ... If Russia leaves Armenia (this means the massacre will begin ...) And we are not so Russian! connects too much with Armenia (I think it’s not worth reminding ..)))

            there is a deal of truth in it.
          2. Seal
            Seal 20 February 2016 18: 16
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            And we are not so Russian! We are too much connected with Armenia (I think it’s not worth reminding ..)))

            Why is it not worth it? Is it even worth it? It is very interesting that it connects you so much with Armenia that it’s not even worth “talking” about it?

            Could it be that we beat the Armenians on Kulikov Field, where they came as mercenaries of Khan Mamaia? Well, yes, there is some kind of connection here, I agree.
            Or the fact that for centuries Armenians have been the main link of the Black Sea slave trade and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of our ancestors, have passed through their hands? For which they were mercilessly chopped into the cabbage by our Cossacks !!
            Or maybe the fact that the Armenians during August-October 1914 did their best to help the Germans drag Turkey into the First World War on the side of Germany?
            No, you just imagine. The First World War began. We always have soldiers, but few shells, ammunition, guns, and so on. Allies are ready to supply all this. But ..
            a) The Baltic Sea is closed.
            b) Romanov-on-Murman (Murmansk) is cut off from central Russia by impassability. The railway will be built with enormous exertion only by December 1916.
            c) There is Arkhangelsk - but it is further and for half a year stands in the ice.
            c) But thank God, Russia has Black Sea ports, and Turkey is a neutral country.
            Moreover, the Sultan himself is against Turkey’s entry into the war. The Great Vizier is also against. Of the triumvirate, it is definitely Enver Pasha (unfortunately he was the naval minister) who was unambiguously for an early entry into the war on the side of Germany.
            But here the Germans on the one hand and the Armenians on the other side began to incite public opinion in Turkey against Russia and for entering the war on the side of Germany. The Armenian so-called "combat squads", which in modern language means "a gang of international terrorists" almost every week moved from the territory of the Russian Empire to the territory of Turkey, which is not at war with us, and committed there, as they say, "acts of retaliation" (in modern language - terrorist acts). In the course of these raids and committing "acts of retaliation", these "fighting squads" in Turkish territory killed officers, policemen, officials, and often just soldiers and civilians of Turkish and Kurdish nationalities. Moreover, they presented the case in such a way that they are committing these acts of robbery with our consent and even with our help (in fact, our border guards fired at such "druzhinichki" if they caught sight of her). It is clear that by mid-October Turkish public opinion was "in favor" of entering the war on the side of Germany, which gave Enver-Pasha the confidence to authorize a raid by the German-Turkish fleet to our shores to shell our Black Sea cities. After that we declared war on Turkey.
            After the war, Ludendorff once said that "If we had not been able to involve Turkey in the war, Germany would not have held out until 1916."
            But the Germans managed to drag Turkey into the war (thanks to the Armenians for their help). Russia got a second front. Lost the opportunity to receive allied assistance in the Black Sea ports. The war dragged on. The people began to get tired of the war. A pre-revolutionary situation was created. In short, our Empire has perished.
            Soviet Russia was forced to conclude the infamous Brest peace and give away millions of square kilometers of the territory where tens of millions of our Russian people lived. At the same time, a little more was given in Transcaucasia, something there in the region of twenty thousand square kilometers, where not a single Russian person lived. But the favorite Armenian hill fell into these 20 thousand square kilometers. For what they have been sprinkling us for almost 100 years.
          3. Seal
            Seal 20 February 2016 18: 27
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            Or are you connected by the fact that the Armenian terrorists carried out the first explosion in the world in the metro and this was ours, the Moscow metro, in 1977?
            Or are you connected with the Armenians that the Armenians in July 1992 vilely shot and killed our five paratroopers wounded, headed by Lieutenant Shapovalov?
            Or are you connected by the fact that the Armenians take loans from us in foreign currency, and when the time comes to give them away, they say, "There is no Denag. Khatyte, take into account the long-term undertaken." Our people will go and see - and they say to the Armenians. "Excuse me, what kind of enterprise? Yes, there are even walls - and those are already half stolen." Well, the Armenians answered: "Well, do not want - as you want. And deneg we are all the same net." Well, ours are scratching their turnips and .. agree. The Armenians immediately make an assessment of the land under such an "enterprise", it is clear that according to their assessment, the land is more expensive than in Manhattan, and then the conditions roll out:
            - Russia should invest in the company so many millions of dollars;
            - The company must earn up to that year;
            - At least so many thousands of local residents should work on it;
            - The enterprise will pay so many taxes to the budget of Armenia.

            This is a business in Armenian. Plus, confidence that Russia will protect its property in Armenia. So it will protect Armenia. And the Armenians at this time can disperse even to Moscow, even to Los Angeles.

            So what exactly connects you with Armenia?
      2. Seal
        Seal 20 February 2016 18: 36
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        Avaricious pays twice ...! Or do you want others to arm them (against Russia)?

        Well, a little against the wool - and already a threat.
        Yes, let the Ethiopians arm you. From such eternal traitors as Armenians, we are glory, reliably separated by Georgia and Azerbaijan. Let the Armenians fight with them first :))
      3. 24hours
        24hours 22 February 2016 10: 50
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        Quote: Malachite
        Or do you want others to arm them (against Russia)?

        You most importantly give a sign in time when to start to be afraid.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 February 2016 20: 23
    +2
    don36 you do not understand anything in politics or in geopolitics. but about history, you haven’t read it. actually, well, you compared the hell with a finger: h.ahlov with the Armenians.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 19 February 2016 20: 32
    +2
    yeraz, I already said to one type like you, that in Europe Russia has one ally _ Serbia. in the east_ China. in cis_ Belarus. in the Caucasus, only_ Armenia. And this friendship of the Russian Federation with RA has been going on since when Azerbaijan together with Turkey were not even in the plans. and your comments, well, close the window, the draft will disappear.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 19 February 2016 21: 29
      0
      Quote: newbie
      already said something to one type like you

      here because of such types as you and the USSR fell apart.
      Quote: newbie
      that in Europe the Russian Federation has one ally _ Serbia.

      yeah, which is in full swing in NATO and the EU seeks)))
      Quote: newbie
      in the east_ China.

      This of course is the closest ally)))
      Quote: newbie
      CIS_Belorussia

      Lukashenko did a lot of allied affairs, recognized Abkhazia, Ossetia, supported the Russian Federation, was completely on the side of the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian conflict, does not create cooperation with Ukraine, including in the military sphere. A cool ally.
      Quote: newbie
      in the Caucasus only_ Armenia

      Exactly until the moment when Russia has an umbrella for them from Azerbaijan.
      Quote: newbie
      when Azerbaijan together with Turkey were not even in the plans. and your comments, well, close the window, the draft will disappear.

      But if people like you break into power, the collapse of the USSR will seem like a fairy tale, compared with the collapse of the Russian Federation, given your thoughts on foreign policy and China in the allies)))
      1. chikenous59
        chikenous59 20 February 2016 06: 29
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Now, if people like you break through into power, the collapse of the USSR will seem like a fairy tale, compared with the collapse of the Russian Federation, given your thoughts on foreign policy and China in the allies)))

        I agree.
        And in general, only the Anglo-Saxons in relation to each other can be called allies at the moment.
        And with us, I would say there are partners with whom interests coincide temporarily.
        No friends in politics, only selfish interests
    2. Seal
      Seal 20 February 2016 18: 21
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      I already said something to one type like you

      The comrade apparently imagines himself as the Lord God or the prophet Mohammed. He says, and everyone respectfully listens to him, of course, that they agree without question and do "cuckoo" twice.
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