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The European Commission adopted a package of proposals on EU energy security, as well as a strategy to expand the use of LNG and the rules for EU cooperation on mutual gas supply. It is proposed to move from the system of the national approach to the regional approach. EU states are invited to conduct a joint gas policy and insure each other in crises. According to the new rules, Brussels intends to check draft energy agreements of the EU members with third countries, including with Russia. Existing company contracts with Russia will be audited.


Gas passion


On Tuesday this week, the European Commission adopted a package of proposals to improve the energy security of the EU, reports RIA News".

The EC proposed a new strategy to expand the use of liquefied natural gas; changes in the rules for coordination with the European Commission of agreements for the purchase of energy from third countries; introduction of EU rules for interaction with gas in emergency situations. New rules did not become law; they still need to be coordinated with the European Parliament and the EU Council.

“Negotiations with energy suppliers often require political and legal support, in particular, to give investors confidence in the creation of energy infrastructure. Political support is provided in the form of intergovernmental agreements. These agreements often serve as the basis for more detailed commercial contracts, ”the agency quotes materials from the European Commission.

“Current regulation requires the EU countries to notify the European Commission about their energy agreements with non-EU countries. But to do this - only after the conclusion of agreements. However, it was proved that it is very difficult to revise any terms of the agreements after they are signed, ”the EC states the lack of the current system. An analysis of the intergovernmental agreements submitted to it showed that approximately one third of the contracts related to the energy infrastructure or energy supply contain provisions that do not comply with EU legislation. Therefore, she wants the EU countries to show her the projects of intergovernmental agreements, that is, at the stage of negotiations.

Contracts cannot be signed before the EC gives its assessment on them, said European Commissioner for Energy and Climate Miguel Arias Cañete. The European Commission will submit its final opinion on the compliance of the projects with the EU laws within twelve weeks. The EC proposes to notify her of the conclusion of new contracts for the purchase of gas in the EU if their validity period exceeds one year and the share of the corresponding gas in the EU market is more than 40%, said Cañete.

In addition, the EC proposed to move from a national to a regional approach to energy security. She wants the EU countries to conduct a risk assessment, create action plans for crisis prevention. Union countries are invited to make joint decisions to create capacity for reverse gas flows at the borders within the EU.

Energy Commissioner for the Energy Union Maroš Shefchovic said, notes "Euronews"that "the EU has a clear estimate that by the year 2030 we will need 350-380 billion cubic meters of gas, taking into account our efforts to develop alternative energy sources and commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

One of the blocks of proposals of the European Commission is aimed at improving the energy efficiency of the European Union. “First of all, we examined the issues of heating and cooling of buildings, which account for up to half of all EU energy costs,” said Shefcovic.

In addition, another block of proposals of the European Commission concerns the promotion of the purchase and use of liquefied gas in the European energy sector. As conceived by the EC, LNG should compete with the pipeline - for the sake of lower prices.

This includes, among other things, the construction of terminals for receiving vessels with liquefied gas. This type of fuel is more convenient to transport than ordinary pipeline gas, although at the present stage it is more expensive than the traditional one. How the gas price will decrease when purchasing LNG, as well as when building expensive terminals, the EC for some reason is silent.

With regard to the likely impact of new proposals for the supply of Russian pipeline gas to Europe, the European officials immediately said: the EC proposals do not mean a “war” with Gazprom.

Miguel Arias Cañete, the European Commissioner for Climate Change and Energy, told the press that the EC’s proposals for energy security are not a declaration of war to Gazprom.

"This is not a declaration of war to Gazprom," quotes the official. TASS. - We want to create conditions for the support of commercial contracts for the supply of gas to the EU, beneficial to European consumers. We want to learn from the gas crises of 2006 and 2009 of the year. ”

“The new proposals of the European Commission on energy security are not aimed exclusively at Gazprom,” said the European Commissioner for Energy Union Affairs, Maroš Šefčović.

But a separate conversation turned to the fate of "Nord Stream - 2".

The European Commission did not decide whether the sea part of Nord Stream - 2 falls under the “third energy package,” said Miguel Arias Cañete.

"We are now conducting a dialogue with all parties to determine which European standards apply to the" Nord Stream - 2 ", - quotes him TASS.

According to the European Commissioner, in the case of the commissioning of the Nord Stream - 2, the EC "may receive the right to check the gas contracts in Germany."

“According to the new EU energy security concept, today Germany would not have to coordinate its contracts with the EC, since they do not reach 40% of gas consumption in the national market. However, if the Nord Stream - 2 is put into action, this situation may change. Much, of course, will depend on the model of gas sales supplied by Nord Stream - 2. It is possible that the contract volume will exceed 40% of the national market, which will give the EC the right to check German contracts, ”the official said.

Recall that these proposals have not entered into force. For their approval, they must approve the 28 states in the EU Council. Then the new rules must be approved by the European Parliament.

We think that the opinion expressed by EU officials about the EC’s reluctance to “fight” with Gazprom should be justly doubted. It is enough to glance in the European mass media and to look for judgments of the above-mentioned Shefchovich on the “Nord Stream - 2”.

Please site Deutsche Welle, an article under the telling title "The European Commission criticized" Nord Stream-2 "."

"At the presentation of the new set of steps to create the Energy Union, the European Commission called the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline an extremely important political issue," the material said.

Let's hear europolitics.

Marosh Shefchovic refuted the statements of the German government that in the case of “S. P. - 2 ”is about an exclusively commercial initiative:“ You have probably heard more than once that “Nord Stream - 2” is called a commercial project, but I want to emphasize that I did not see commercial projects that would so often be discussed at such a high political level. level. "

And the aforementioned Miguel Arias Cañete said that it is not only a matter of legal intricacies, but also of “high political issues”. He explained that while the share of Gazprom in the German market does not exceed 40%, however, it may change after the construction of Nord Stream - 2. "In this case, 80% gas can be supplied from a single source," - said the European Commissioner.

And in a recent article in the American The Wall Street Journal there is a veiled hint that the new EC rules could become a lifesaver for unfortunate Angela Merkel, who landed in the network of Gazprom.

Magazine with evil irony criticized the behavior of Merkel, who was “horrified” when “Russian fighters tormented civilian objects in Syria,” but never offered to act against the Russians by force or something like that. Why, take at least a recent report from the European Commission, which considers the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which should pass from Russia to Germany along the bottom of the Baltic Sea, bypassing Poland and Ukraine, as a harmful project. Merkel is simply silent, although critics are screaming with might and main that the new pipeline is devoid of any meaning, because “Nord Stream 1” is far from working at full capacity. He has no clearly expressed commercial interest, but the new pipeline is politically effective: Russia is increasing its dominance in gas supply to Europe, which poses a threat to the security of its neighbors. Brussels officials believe that 80% of Russian natural gas supplies to Europe will be concentrated along an exclusive route from Russia to Germany. Germany’s dependence on pipeline gas, which goes to Germany for heating and to the chemical industry, will grow to 60%.

Francois Eisbourg, a special adviser to the French Foundation for Strategic Studies, called the behavior of Angela Merkel a “scandal”. In his opinion, there is no energy base for Nord Stream 2. Moreover, the Germans and Russians are leading this project at a time when Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev announced that Russia is participating in a new cold war with the West.

The gas agreement between Moscow and Germany is “a terrible, shameful affair,” the journalist writes.

Apparently, let us add from ourselves, Angela Merkel, the scourge of the entire democratic world, there is nothing left but to grab onto the new proposals of the European Commission and let it “check” the project “S. P. - 2, so that nothing is left of it. Then she will save her face, and she will say to her businessmen: “See, it’s not me, it’s the European Commission”. And in the future the Germans will have to buy the gas that the European officials will impose on them, which are clearly acting on instructions from overseas advisers. They will buy at least Qatari LNG, albeit much more expensive than Gazprom’s pipeline, if only Brussels doesn’t have “high political issues” to Berlin.

It is clear that some of the “blocks” of the European Commission’s proposals are addressed directly to Gazprom. This is a kind of raw material sanctions, which are likely to hit both the interests of Russia in Europe and the interests of those Europeans who would like to buy pipeline gas from the Russians.

One way or another, Gazprom will be infringed on the European market, there is no doubt about that. And if so, someone in this market will rise. Who is known today.

In the long term, Norway will remain an important supplier of natural gas to the European market (by the way, a non-EU country). Such an advantageous position will be ensured by the new energy strategy of the European Union, said Tord Lien, Minister of Oil and Energy of the Scandinavian Kingdom.

“The fact that the European Commission considers the role of gas in the EU’s energy sector to be extremely important over the coming years is extremely positive. The package presented today confirms the signal we received during our meetings with Shefcovic and Arias Cañete that the EU wants to buy Norwegian gas, the minister said. "Euronews". “Norway has significant gas resources at its disposal, and we will remain a long-term and reliable gas supplier to Europe.”

So that. Despite the fact that Angela Merkel is playing in silence with the EU, the European Commission will purposefully survive Gazprom from the gas market. Of course, it will not fully survive, but the European commissioners will do everything to reduce the share of Gazprom’s supplies to the EU countries and click the angel on the nose.

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  1. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 19 February 2016 06: 18
    14
    It is proposed to move from a national approach to a regional approach.
    England was the first to realize that it was time to wash off!
    1. Finches
      Finches 19 February 2016 06: 20
      33
      They would turn a valve for them so that they would heat their apartment with their headquarters with this same package of documents ... they would become smarter! laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 February 2016 06: 51
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        They would twist the valve

        And why should we block it, Ukrainians themselves will soon block the pipe. There is no money, there will be blackmail.
        1. Truth
          Truth 19 February 2016 08: 09
          +2
          Existing company agreements with Russia will undergo an audit.

          You gentlemen, do not pull the cat by the tail of the EU, you are buying this gas, or you are not buying it.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 19 February 2016 08: 55
            +9
            They will buy it. But they essentially want to create a single monopoly buyer in the energy market. This is the European antitrust law.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 19 February 2016 11: 09
              +6
              The fact that LNG transportation is more convenient than gas through pipes is, of course, a complete lie, of course! But here you need to consider the situation in 2's aspects: 1) price and 2) political.
              IN THE PRICE PLAN. When transporting LNG, the business risks are not small either! It is they who are now so “invisible” because of Europe’s large consumption of pipeline gas supplies.
              The risks themselves in the supply potential are laid not only in the increase in the cost of the TRANSPORTATION of the oil-gas product, but also increase the cost of the transported product! Later, after a jump in LNG prices, EC officials - with emotion from the "bureaucratic rent" already put in their pocket from the management and distribution of LNG in Europe - will say to the Europeans: "Well, sorry! They wanted the best - it turned out, as always! ”- and they will wash their hands, having in fact squeezed under their monopoly control the economic development of each European country, regardless of its NATIONAL and SOVEREIGN interests.
              By the way, it is within the framework of this project in Brussels that the legs of the migration flows of “refugees” from the BW are partly growing within the framework of the national interests of the USA as a cheap labor force. But in this regard, the project in its pricing policy will fail anyway. LNG prices will still be high, due to social reasons with refugees in Europe itself.
              IN THE POLITICAL PLAN. At the same time, the trouble also lies in the fact that it is precisely for THESE matters with LNG transportation that Europe and the United States financially support the state-drowning Ukraine, in spite of everything. And this is despite the fact that the money allocated by the EU to Ukraine for the technical support of gas pipes for transporting gas to Europe, Poroshenko and Co. are simply stolen, and the pipes are not repaired at all. By the way, here is the same story with the provocatively organized blockade of Russian heavy trucks in Ukraine - the European Parliament is also happy with everything. Why?
              Yes, because the instability of cargo transportation in Ukraine allows European bureaucrats to promote this project of Brussels with LNG - the introduction of the sole, monopolistic Brussels side under the dictation of the United States control, distribution, pricing of gas in general in Europe. And this means that it allows them to have a monopoly influence on the DEVELOPMENT of the economies of these countries in their favor - and without taking into account the personal national interests of each European country.
              In other words, in general, the supply and transportation of gas to Europe is about promoting the NEO-colonial political and economic influence and US dominance in Europe, which, in principle, is already visible.
          2. user
            user 20 February 2016 14: 50
            +2
            These are some kind of raw sanctions, which are likely to hit both the interests of Russia in Europe,


            Yes, everything will be fine, they will start building the Western gas pipeline to China faster, they will build a continuation to India, Japan is also waiting for a pipe - expensive gas is liquefied.
            Yes, all this chatter is not clear at all, in our country whole regions and regions are not gasified, and what is interesting there is 6-9 months of winter, as there were enough reserved volumes.

            This is an opportunity to create one common gas supply system of the country, with the possibility of pumping at least to the south, at least to the East or West, with the possibility of a comprehensive reverse.

            But there is one BUT, the current government pursues short-term prospects, the main goal is the upcoming privatization (there for 10 billion not our money left to buy tidbits - like now they have the very price). And you are talking about some country's interests.
        2. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 08: 29
          +6
          They will not have gas, but we have money.
          So pensions, roads, schools and hospitals. In one southern province, travel privileges were canceled for pensioners. So they, so kind, took to the streets, did not listen to nonsense that oil prices fell. (The benefits were returned, but this does not mean that everything will be as before. This means that buses will soon fall apart, which have nothing to contain)
          So it’s not gas that needs to be shut off, but a fight for the European consumer. Ukrainians incidentally the story of the truck showed how this can be. In the sense of transit.
          1. Alexander_
            Alexander_ 19 February 2016 08: 43
            +3
            And minibuses only become more, they are full of money.
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 19 February 2016 09: 06
              +2
              We want to create conditions to support commercial contracts for gas supplies to the EU, beneficial to European consumers.

              This is the whole point of the European Commission: the main thing is that these contracts be beneficial to Europeans, and what Gazprom wants is not of interest to them.
            2. beck
              beck 19 February 2016 16: 29
              +4
              if bureaucrats didn’t drag money in their pockets, then the buses would be new. the minibuses have enough money for salaries, repairs, taxes, and it remains to themselves, only state-sponsors always beg and brandish.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 19 February 2016 09: 01
            +5
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            In one southern province, travel privileges were canceled for pensioners. So they, so kind, took to the streets, did not listen to nonsense that oil prices fell.

            In what kind of "southern province" travel benefits for "pensioners"? And when and how many of them "took to the streets" and ... came again.
            It is necessary to fight for the European gas market, including the development of infrastructure. But about pensioners, why "pour bullets"?
            Gazprom great increased sales to Europe - cheap now ... And LNG is not a competitor, it is expensive.
            Only on this can you play in modern conditions.
            And transit through Ukraine can be maintained. If the contract with dill will be concluded by consumers.
            And if this "ugly brainchild" of the collapse of the USSR itself will still exist.
            1. Cap.Morgan
              Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 11: 31
              +4
              Pensioners rebelled in Sochi, a month ago, blocked the road. They immediately returned the mustache back.
          3. Klos
            Klos 19 February 2016 22: 45
            +2
            And we already have no roads, no new schools, no hospitals (((
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 19 February 2016 07: 09
        0
        Really! Now tighten it tightly and look at their legislative activities for two weeks laughing
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 19 February 2016 07: 59
          +8
          Quote: Observer 33
          Really! Now tighten it tightly and look at their legislative activities for two weeks

          There will be nothing, in gas storages based on consumption for three months
        2. cniza
          cniza 19 February 2016 08: 00
          +6
          Quote: Observer 33
          Really! Now tighten it tightly and look at their legislative activities for two weeks laughing



          Maybe it would have been necessary, but technologically it is almost impossible. wink
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 19 February 2016 09: 17
            +2
            Technically, just no problem. Gas is not oil: the valve was turned off, the station's compressors were turned off, and that's it. It is another matter that this will all the more give Europe a reason to unite against Russian "gas blackmail" and look for alternative suppliers. Besides, we ourselves need the currency right now. And so the export revenue of Gazprom fell sharply.
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        4. askort154
          askort154 19 February 2016 08: 12
          +6
          Observer 33 .... Indeed! Now screw it up tightly and look at their legislative activity for two weeks

          Unfortunately, it cannot be redrawn like a water tap; wells must be shut off. And the prestige of a "reliable supplier" is worth a lot. Another thing surprised me, how it is - the transportation of LNG is more convenient than the "pipeline".
          1. Ilmir099
            Ilmir099 19 February 2016 09: 44
            +3
            I agree this is the same as carrying water in jars.
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 19 February 2016 07: 24
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        .. would have become smarter!

        They won’t become smarter, because they think for them overseas! LNG, by definition, cannot be cheaper than conventional (pipeline) gas, plus logistics. Squeezing out of the Gazprom market is a shot in the foot! Germany understands this and will do everything possible to torpedo this package of documents!
        1. IrOqUoIs
          IrOqUoIs 19 February 2016 07: 39
          +4
          They built the European Union, and as a result a huge bureaucratic mechanism turned out.
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 February 2016 08: 02
            +5
            Quote: IrOqUoIs
            They built the European Union, and as a result a huge bureaucratic mechanism turned out.


            We got an uncontrollable monster that will destroy them.
      4. gergi
        gergi 19 February 2016 09: 01
        +1
        That twist-twist, then twist-twist, but you can’t get off the gas pin. The European Commission, that lice are on the crest, is spinning, egozit, bustling, but not a damn thing comes out. Negritosin orders are not met. It’s cold without gas.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 February 2016 10: 09
        0
        Gas has already been paid, so overlapping is not possible.
      6. Scoun
        Scoun 19 February 2016 10: 15
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        They would twist the valve

        Yes, they themselves "twist and all of them
        This includes, among other things, the construction of terminals for receiving ships with liquefied gas. This type of fuel is more convenient to transport than regular pipeline gas, however,
        before the first emergency and emergency even on the pipeline can be a disaster, not to mention the TERMINAL! State of emergency at the terminal it can be a DISASTER.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 February 2016 07: 28
      +3
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      England was the first to realize that it was time to wash off!

      The EU in its current form is a decaying corpse. He would be viable if he did not constantly swallow various new members with his problems, tasks and Wishlist.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 19 February 2016 18: 18
        0
        Russia needs to build an alternative in the East - European energy packages will sprinkle like autumn foliage. hi
  2. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 19 February 2016 06: 18
    +3
    They will buy at least Qatari LNG, albeit much more expensive than the Gazprom pipeline, if only Brussels does not have "highly political questions" to Berlin.
    It turns out that Germany has created the EU on its own head.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 19 February 2016 06: 25
    +3
    Not only that, Germans and Russians are leading this project at a time when Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said that Russia was participating in a new cold war with the West.....Cool smile It turns out Russia, Europe declared a cold war .. and not Europe of Russia ..
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 19 February 2016 08: 55
      0
      And who remembers the gift to the enemies of Russia by the same Medvedev. Quickly everything was chopped off in 2010
      and Medvedev and the State Duma. This is one link after the second. So who is Medvedev fighting with, the West or Russia?
      http://svpressa.ru/economy/article/65057/
      http://svpressa.ru/economy/article/65057/
      I can bring it again. Everyone was indignant at that time from the Left to the Right. What am I talking about? And look at the agreements on the Shtokman field and understand why the EU puts poles in the wheels of Gazprom. And the reserved capacity of the Nord Stream-1 can go to the Norwegians for free with the help of the EU. is Russia will be paid as Ukraine, only for transit through its territory.
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 19 February 2016 06: 27
    +2
    EC proposed moving from national to regional energy security approach

    The fact that this proposal directly affects the sovereignty of countries does not seem to bother anyone. Governments are increasingly becoming puppets managed by overseas partners. The policy of twisting hands is becoming increasingly popular.
  5. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 19 February 2016 06: 32
    +1
    Well, we don’t like our gas - pull the pipes directly from the cataract and the USA - for the price the pipeline will be like if the pipes are made of pure gold, but this is your problem.
    1. ssergn
      ssergn 19 February 2016 11: 25
      0
      From Qatar ....


      This is where Syria is in the way.
  6. Telemon
    Telemon 19 February 2016 06: 53
    +3
    "... The European Commission will purposefully keep Gazprom out of the gas market."- but Will Big European business go for it?, which is already tied to Gazprom very tightly (including SP-2): and how will the local population react to this still "United" (but not for long) and so lonely Europe who and now the neighborhood with migrants (which means the tax burden will increase) ...Ponte again learned only nonsense from those who "behind a puddle".
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 February 2016 06: 54
    +1
    Everyone is rowing towards themselves - both ours and the EU. (Only chickens and a bulldozer are on their own).
    Everyone wants to have more. Somehow it will actually burn out, time and politics will show.
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 February 2016 06: 57
    +2
    Despite the fact that Angela Merkel is silent with the EU, the European Commission will be purposefully survive Gazprom from the gas market. Of course, completely not survivebut the European commissioners will do everything to reduce the share of Gazprom’s deliveries to the EU countries and to snap the angel to the nose.


    Squeeze Gazprom out of the EU and survive - Different things. Probably completely the EU will not survive.
  9. Aleksander
    Aleksander 19 February 2016 07: 01
    +2
    Miguel Arias Cañete, European Commissioner for Climate Change and Energy, told the press that the EC’s proposals on energy security are not a declaration of war to Gazprom».


    It's hard to tell the truth: " NOT ONLY declaration of war on Gazprom.
  10. Dam
    Dam 19 February 2016 07: 13
    10
    You need to gasify your country and create competitive advantages for your enterprises. And to reduce the export of raw materials. No need to trade your bowels at a disadvantageous speculative rate. And then very soon we will see a freezing, accommodating Europe, which will take its European Commission and fight for quotas of Gazprom gas. It is necessary to be tough and possibly bring the matter to a crisis. Let there be a difference between Germany in which gas will be and the rest of the pack, which is now surviving
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 08: 41
      +2
      Right.
      Yesterday, one governor offered to scrape up money for a license and start producing the last iPhone with us. Finding money is quite real. Save for example on marble and Italian plumbing for administration institutions. And banquets for officials.
  11. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 19 February 2016 07: 18
    14
    Yes Lord, how much can you! winked
    Some who consider themselves the most intelligent, come up with different crap to wipe someone’s nose or show their place, or something else. Type they are raw and will ALWAYS sell gas to us under OUR conditions! Yes, a dog with them ... Personally, I would set my own terms - either buy gas on my terms, or sit without gas. You need to develop your domestic market. For me personally, the well-being and warmth of our people is much closer than than caring for Western cynics and hypocrites. request
    And it is high time to take our economy off the raw material needles. And follow the principle - if you don't want to buy, then you don't need to. Then there will be less of these speculations around different third energy packages and different flows there. If you sat down in the days of this clown Khrushchev to sell resources, so now it goes sideways. Joseph Vissarionovich is not there ... He knew how to put the West in its place. And so now we grovel in front of them, "well, buy our gas, otherwise we will be lost" ... So they will be perepenny request I impose my orders ...
    Again, this is my personal opinion, philistine hi
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 08: 46
      -2
      And to whom, besides Europe, will you sell gas?
      Gas is half the revenue.
      Do you, specifically you, agree to personally reduce your salary by 2–3 times from the current level at current prices? That is, to work exclusively for the bread crust. But at the same time, work well, because now you have to recreate the industry. There is no income from oil, which means it will have to build as usual at the expense of the people.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 19 February 2016 09: 06
        +4
        And who is to blame for the fact that the country currently exists as a raw material appendage? So they press us with this, that I am pumping rights under the pretext "but we will not buy gas!" worked and even deflation was, and now suddenly they stopped thinking and only exist due to the fact that we sell gas and oil? Itself is not disgusting from such a recognition? wink Or is it better to live one day, sold gas and oil - all g, hero. I can afford an iPhone or Maserati, an apartment in a prestigious area ... And what about the country? They are suckers, gas and oil belong to me ... So now think. And the excuse is good - one’s own lack of will and reluctance to really do something is covered by retirees and children. Create conditions when you will not exist by selling things that you don’t produce, but simply what’s on your territory, and what you create will generate income.
        And yes, I agree to live like you don’t want to - one or two kinds of sausage in the store triples me, and not fifteen. Parents won five to seven people up and did not die of hunger. Are we worse? wink hi
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 13: 14
          -1
          So what good is it that our fathers and grandfathers lived hard.
          The people of the two varieties of sausages in the store do not understand. Also, no one will like the new inevitable taxes and a further decline in income. In the name of what to tighten belts? To amuse pride?
          Is it not better to continue to trade with the West than to enter into a direct and long confrontation with it. Yes, many now live much better than our grandfathers. What's wrong with that?
          You forget what our ancestors did. Tanks, guns, planes in unrealistic quantities. To give the land in Grenada to the peasants. Money transfer. It was very convenient. The main thing is not to think about anything. There is the Secretary General and the Central Committee, they think not too bad. But we are cogs, people are small, what is our demand.
      2. Dam
        Dam 19 February 2016 12: 11
        +6
        My salary does not depend on gas exports. This is a fairly common opinion. Is the use of mineral resources for processing our own raw materials and the sale of high value-added products a sign of a developed country or not? Selling gas at our place for real money (albeit with Gazprom’s 100% profit), our enterprises can have a significant advantage over Europe. And now, according to Federal Law 13-14, gas connection to a legal entity costs a price of gold. Here. And the whole export-oriented economy. At the moment, the difference in the cost of LNG and natural gas is more than 2 times. Let Europe be non-volatile as much as it needs (one hell doesn’t work, see the example of Lithuania). And after that, everything will be sold on our terms and conditions and through our exchange. And it is high time to introduce a moratorium on the payment of external debts before the end of the sanctions.
  12. dFG
    dFG 19 February 2016 07: 26
    +1
    Quote: Damm
    You need to gasify your country and create competitive advantages for your enterprises. And to reduce the export of raw materials. No need to trade your bowels at a disadvantageous speculative rate. And then very soon we will see a freezing, accommodating Europe, which will take its European Commission and fight for quotas of Gazprom gas. It is necessary to be tough and possibly bring the matter to a crisis. Let there be a difference between Germany in which gas will be and the rest of the pack, which is now surviving

    ..... But it’s right, as there - you see, the fight will be the first to fight - so the RF is already time, otherwise you are all working second, third number .... for a start it would be nice to limit gas supplies, create a deficit then everyone cares about European partners
  13. itr
    itr 19 February 2016 07: 32
    +2
    No one ever understood why the Germans had Nord Stream 2 then 3, and so on.
    Personally, my opinion is done in order to remove the levers of pressure from Russia from the countries of the Great 6 (Ukraine, the Baltic states, and every vile thing) We have no problems with the Germans and there is really nothing to show them! So Russia will sell gas to Germany in the volume in which it will say. And that, in turn, by the reverse (as it is fashionable to say now) to scatter the rest of Europe. And those, in turn, will wag and bark towards Russia. and Russia cannot do anything. It is sad
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 13: 16
      0
      Ukraine just wants to keep transit. Otherwise, there are no levers of pressure on Russia.
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 19 February 2016 07: 54
    +1
    The more they care about security, the worse it is for citizens. Dill got to the point that they sit with potbelly stoves.
  15. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 19 February 2016 07: 58
    +5
    These Eurorasts definitely hesitated.

    I’m all sitting and waiting - where are the WTO decisions on Russia's claims regarding the third energy package and the use of energy adjustments in anti-doping investigations? And they all continue to fester.

    Instead of packages (for puke) you just need to adopt the simplest rules on observing elementary economic laws.
    1. The advantage is the goods having a lower price. Dot. All. No volumes of hundreds of pages.
    2. The manufacturer does not have the right to dump (everyone knows this, everyone recognizes it, everyone uses it). The selling price should correspond to the cost price + profit of the manufacturer. There can be no subsidies.
    3. Who built, that and the owner. All. Dot. The owner himself owns and disposes.
    4. It is forbidden to steal gas. All. Dot. Does anyone doubt it?

    And, in general, we should accept our package - immediately the first, second, third and fourth.
    We are wild barbarians; we have dictatorial satrapy. laughing So to adopt a law that on our territory, and in any negotiations with us, tolerant people must wear a tsak and do "Ku" three times.
  16. afrikanez
    afrikanez 19 February 2016 08: 02
    +2
    Americans already "concretely" rule Europe. How they all the same want to supply their own "gas" to the EU, although it is more expensive. Destroying all those logical actions that the EU took on gas, thereby sowing panic and discord in the EU.
  17. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 19 February 2016 08: 06
    +2
    In fat years, Kudrin could invest in providing 100% of households in Russia with gas (((for example, in the winter month my house eats 18 cubic meters of gas per day (let 20) - 20 * 31 * 3.70 = 2294 rubles per month, if on the scale of the country it would normally work out, but even in my area, tram lines divide it into Europe and Asia (((we have been supplying gas for 15 years in "Europe", and "Asians" have been heating with wood and coal ...
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 09: 01
      0
      The "Asians" have a population density 10 times lower. It is unrealistic to pull gas into every village where there are 3 houses.
  18. Leprekon
    Leprekon 19 February 2016 08: 08
    +3
    The Soviet Union, as soon as it was not called, but by definition it turns out that the real prison of peoples, excluding sovereignty, is the EU. There are a couple of hundred "push buttons" sitting in Brussels, receiving a salary that is not comparable to their citizens, having extensive personal preferences, which, depending on the team released, "decide everything and for everyone"! This is where the field for our information divisions is.
    Why don't we declare our goal - the liberation of Europe from external governance and the return of sovereignty to its countries? It is easier for us to conduct a dialogue with independent states, rather than an orchestra conducted by one conductor. Once they wanted to ruin us out of fear, and we must do this out of noble goals.
  19. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 19 February 2016 08: 18
    0
    Please remember when the business was thinking about how their actions will affect Russia? NEVER! Decent housing, family and capital abroad in their concept, and from Russia only money can be pumped in any way. Only when abroad takes them for Faberge do they remember: we Russians defend Russia. In another way, Russian business does not want to and will not.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 February 2016 08: 54
      +2
      Business just wants to save money.
      Note that on this resource 75% of members of the forum simply dream of another socialist revolution. Remember how many shocks and monetary reforms there have been over the past 100 years.
      For example, can you come to the store with kerenki and buy vodka? No? And in Pindo-Ssii with their ancient bucks is possible. In any case, exchange in the bank for modern ones. Stability is what business needs.
      And not the calls once again to confiscate everything.
      I am not at all defending our nouveau riche, but merely explaining their logic.
      1. Arbogast
        Arbogast 19 February 2016 09: 26
        +1
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        The "Asians" have a population density 10 times lower. Pulling gas to every village where 3 houses are unrealistic
        Or maybe change the cause with the consequences ..?! repeat
        Maybe the density is lower and the villages are dead because they did not stretch the gas ..
        Quote: Leprechaun
        Why don't we declare our goal - the liberation of Europe from external governance and the return of sovereignty to its countries?
        Donbass has already been "freed" from pensions and salaries ..
        Tau ushto, I think they will prefer the "prison of peoples"
        Quote: Alekseev
        And LNG is not a competitor, it is expensive
        As if Russia, introducing anti-sanctions, did not buy cheap European products, but switched to expensive "import-substituted" ones ..
        So they will also buy "expensive" non-Russian gas. yes
  20. Averias
    Averias 19 February 2016 08: 49
    0
    This type of fuel is more convenient to transport than ordinary pipeline gas, although at the present stage it is more expensive than traditional.


    In business, and I always thought that it is easier to deliver gas through the pipe, if of course conditions allow. But tankers are when there are no other options. Or I don’t understand something, although I studied at the geologist and studied the oil and gas industry?

    The guys from the EU really want to "steer" everything (to have money from everything). I have two good German acquaintances (one is generally a former journalist Spiegel) who now live near Krasnoyarsk. Left Germany out of harm's way. They openly say that the level of corruption among officials in Brussels is off the charts. No more or less serious deal is complete without a bribe. All large foreign companies carry an envelope.

    Correctly said the Englishman yesterday about the EU and the way out of it. The EU includes a bunch of countries (and started with 9 in total), and Brussels is not enough. They want to single-handedly make decisions on all issues (read - to rule). And what for us, the British, is that?
  21. 72jora72
    72jora72 19 February 2016 08: 57
    0
    According to the EC, LNG should compete with the pipeline - for the sake of lower prices.
    Me this phrase smiled the most belay
  22. question
    question 19 February 2016 08: 59
    +1
    The more officials, the lower the economic efficiency!
    1. Fat
      Fat 19 February 2016 12: 19
      0
      Quote: question
      The more officials, the lower the economic efficiency!

      "The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy". (c) Isaac Asimov
      Of course, European officials will do everything to justify their need. Keep and do not let go as well. The EU, unlike the EEC, is a completely monstrous bureaucratic entity. The point is that the national governments of the countries of the European Union will become just territorial self-government, in fact, as intended.
  23. individual
    individual 19 February 2016 09: 03
    0
    Quote:
    Therefore, she wants the EU countries to show her (the European Commission) draft intergovernmental agreements, that is, at the negotiation stage.

    Where Washington decides whether it is the United States or not.
  24. ARES623
    ARES623 19 February 2016 09: 12
    +1
    Quote: oxotnuk86
    Please remember when the business was thinking about how their actions will affect Russia?

    Successful business and patriotism are disjoint things. Nowhere. Perhaps only political, read state, pressure on business. In matters of relations between the EU and Gazprom, the political component dominates logic and sober calculation; in matters of relations between the Government of the Russian Federation and Gazprom, business interests and motivation for the loyalty of Gazprom top managers dominate. The government, brought to power by United Russia, was engaged in social populism all the way, as a means of survival and political struggle, therefore, having increased social obligations to the population, it desperately needs money. The EU, seeing this situation, is simply blackmailing Gazprom and the Government of the Russian Federation, negotiating for itself favorable financial and political conditions for gas trade. The way out of this situevina is not very simple and long. But that is why it is necessary today to include some elements of the mobilization economy, ensure domestic production with a wider state order, develop state-owned enterprises in the most sensitive areas, and force Gazprom to diversify its gas trade directions as much as possible, given the possible abandonment of the EU through the expansion of LNG plants. The market mechanisms that Medvedev comes up with, as we see, do not work properly and are very inert. We will soon go around the world with such a speed of work.
  25. evil partisan
    evil partisan 19 February 2016 09: 22
    +1
    Gazprom will not be left without a consumer even if the whole of Europe refuses our gas. The "Western Route" is being designed in full. And in Europe, not all are fools. Especially Germany. She will never give up Gazprom gas.
  26. 31rus
    31rus 19 February 2016 09: 26
    0
    Dear, in your forehead, not long ago I only wrote about a lack of a competent approach in matters of gas supplies, we shoot ourselves in the foot, I agree with the foregoing
  27. Centurionix
    Centurionix 19 February 2016 09: 41
    +1
    I can’t understand the claims on their part. We give them gas and they poop in us. And they wouldn’t walk in the forest! It would be better if all these means and forces were used for gasification of the periphery of Russia.
  28. sieras
    sieras 19 February 2016 09: 50
    0
    Well, of course, it’s better to buy expensive gas from the gentlemen.
    cars are so expensive German, and will be even more expensive, people will buy Mazda instead of golf. or Samsung sock instead of bosh, etc.
    for the German industry to buy expensive gas which the commission will say, "it will be the right thing."
  29. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 19 February 2016 10: 10
    0
    When a country joins an interstate organization, it transfers part of its authority to the top. It's unavoidable. The EU is taking more and more authority, turning its members into vassals. The energy package was adopted in order to deprive the former countries of the Soviet bloc of an independent policy towards Russia. All this is done, ultimately, in the interests of some members against the interests of others. In the EU, all countries are equal, but Germany and France are more equal. Now these countries are doing the will of the United States, contrary to the self-interest of the EU countries.
  30. triglav
    triglav 19 February 2016 10: 15
    0
    Jumping. Remain without gas at all.
  31. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 February 2016 10: 23
    0
    Remember, suffering is convenient. That is why many people prefer to have them. Happiness requires effort, courage and responsibility. It is incredibly convenient to know that if you do not create anything in this life, then no one will be able to attack what you have created.
    How much easier it is to just sit on your ass and criticize what others are creating.
  32. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 19 February 2016 10: 32
    0
    The European Commission has forgotten who created and dances the EU. If Germany decided to do Nord Stream-2, it will be so. And there’s nothing to go public.
  33. Awaz
    Awaz 19 February 2016 11: 03
    0
    With such statements, they are there insured against a response from the Russian Federation. Constantly bullying and provoking Gazprom, they realize that sometime Gazprom will run out of patience. Gazprom has long had to disconnect some from the pipe. Norway and Qatar will not save everyone. It is not without reason that a pipe from Germany is not pulled to Germany, but from Russia. The Baltic states, dumb and seated under external control from Washington, can only twitch and spit and build plans for autonomous gas supply. But in reality, they won’t survive without a Russian, unless they shut down their entire economy and the majority of citizens in Europe split up
  34. Vovavvs
    Vovavvs 19 February 2016 11: 52
    +4
    Judging by how neatly and imperceptibly the Germans put their hand to overturning NABUKO, South Stream and others like them, they, reaching the finish line - "SP2", will not miss their own ... As the proverb says: "And Vaska listens and eats "))
  35. Wolka
    Wolka 19 February 2016 12: 09
    +2
    here it is the EU-German autocracy
  36. Dr. Stein
    Dr. Stein 19 February 2016 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    Well, since there is a "new cold war" - you need to make it really cold - turn on the gas valve!

    and brew
  37. Belousov
    Belousov 19 February 2016 13: 56
    +1
    Gazprom is openly squeezed out, and our unfortunate economists can only sit crying about low oil prices.
  38. Prutkov
    Prutkov 19 February 2016 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    Is it not better to continue to trade with the West than to enter into a direct and long confrontation with it. Yes, many now live much better than our grandfathers. What's wrong with that?
    You forget what our ancestors did. Tanks, guns, planes in unrealistic quantities. To give the land in Grenada to the peasants. Money transfer. It was very convenient. The main thing is not to think about anything. There is the Secretary General and the Central Committee, they think not too bad. But we are cogs, people are small, what is our demand.

    Better, of course, to trade. But, unfortunately, the West does not like to trade honestly. The current situation is proof of this. And so that your beloved West does not have a desire to come and take everything for nothing, our ancestors had to make tanks instead of sausages. Alas. But your beloved West does not understand it differently.
  39. fa2998
    fa2998 19 February 2016 14: 37
    0
    About 500 million people live in Europe. In China, about 1500 million. WHERE IS THE MARKET? They are poor fellows driving gas tankers around Asia. If this "homosexual Europe" does not want our gas, it sets some conditions (energy package - 2,3, XNUMX, prolongation of transit through Ukraine, etc.) - A TABLE ROAD! We will sell to Asia, moreover, by land. Let them carry fuel from overseas, let them take an example from Ukraine, which carries coal from South Africa. laughing hi
  40. Prutkov
    Prutkov 19 February 2016 14: 50
    +3
    In general, of course, it is necessary to develop the domestic market. In a country like Russia, there will always be gas demand. This may be, in addition to industry and energy, also the automotive industry. What prevents the active installation of gas cylinder equipment on cars? This option, with state support, can be even more interesting than all electric cars, etc. And demand can be stimulated ... And Europe will buy gas, it won’t go anywhere, Ukraine needs to be heated. Still, it’s not Greece, you won’t live in a cardboard box in winter ... Yes, and for European industrialists, cheap Russian gas is the only way to survive after signing the transatlantic treaty, which the United States will sell anyway through the European Commission. It seems that the movements are being made in the right direction - they are creating their own fuel exchange for the sale of oil and gas. If you want gas, oil - go to the stock exchange, buy the necessary volumes. Let them go to Russia for gas and oil, and not Russia begs to buy from her. But for this you need to develop your domestic market. Now is the time - low prices.
  41. OlegV
    OlegV 19 February 2016 15: 31
    +1
    Ukraine the day after tomorrow

  42. polo
    polo 19 February 2016 18: 28
    +3
    Quote: Belousov
    Gazprom is openly squeezed out, and our unfortunate economists can only sit crying about low oil prices.

    How to strengthen the ruble
  43. Rich-ksy
    Rich-ksy 19 February 2016 23: 07
    0
    They are interesting people. They accuse Russia and Merkel of conspiracy, motionless politics. She (Merkel), on the hook of Russia. Why build a SP-2. And everything is on the surface. Go around Ukraine and Poland. And there will be happiness in Europe and Russia. But no, they cannot afford such a luxury as happiness for Russia. , no other words.
  44. 31rus
    31rus 20 February 2016 00: 03
    0
    Dear, well suppose Russia leaves the EU market, buys an American one, the price of the product increases, then Europeans will either have to give way to cheaper American, Japanese, Korean products, or deploy production elsewhere, i.e., it’s now profitable in Russia, for many reasons
  45. Ramzes33
    Ramzes33 20 February 2016 01: 00
    0
    All this fuss is nothing more than bargaining for more favorable conditions in future contracts with Gazprom (Most long-term ones end in 2019) In case of Syria’s defeat, pipes will be pulled through it in a sweep from Europe to Saudi and Qatar-Russia. Also, if the mechanism of the Transantlantic trade partnership works, the European economy will fall under the United States. And shale gas, the Americans will vparivat Evzhopovtsy-Russia again side. And the valve horseradish shut technologically and gas storage in Hohland and Slovakia. Hence, they are forced to download, despite the political blah blah-bucks, that they are needed to fulfill social obligations. And the election is just around the corner. And the TV box factor (propagados) is designed for simpletons.