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Historic meeting in Havana

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The phrase “we live in an interesting time” after an event that took place at night (Moscow time) from 12 to February 13 loses its last tinge of banality. It has been expected for hundreds of years, a couple of decades has been prepared, and now it has come to pass. The meeting of the heads of the two largest Christian churches took place. On Liberty Island (and this is especially symbolic), Patriarch Kirill, the highest hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, met with the head of the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Francis. And the symbol of this meeting was not only that it took place, as already noted, on Liberty Island, as Cuba is called. The characters literally permeated the entire meeting of Cyril and Francis. It began with the traditional RUSSIAN ORTHODOXY a triple welcome kiss from supreme hierarchs. And this in itself emphasized that the Roman Catholic Church (at least in the person of Francis), who for centuries tried to ignore the very existence of an independent Russian Orthodox church, decided to abandon its previous policy for the benefit of the main idea - the idea of ​​the unity of all Christians without exception with the preservation of the traditions of each of the world-recognized Christian currents.


Historic meeting in Havana


On the frames that came from the Jose Marti Havana airport, where the meeting took place, it was noticeable how the hierarchs of the two Christian churches initially fought with excitement. And this excitement manifested itself, in all likelihood, not so much because their names at that instant entered history and the church, and the whole of civilization, how much on what problems they have to discuss. And the problems are truly global in scale.

Chief among such problems is the frightening disunity of the vast Christian world in the face of new threats. Among these threats, of course, special attention is paid to attempts to oust Christianity from the Middle East - in fact, from the place where Christianity appeared and gained its first loyal supporters. The Christians of the Middle East and not only, by the way, his, have become targets for terrorists and extremists of all stripes. Persecution of Christians, the destruction of Christian churches (regardless of whether they belonged to a particular branch), mass executions, the desecration of Christian shrines, unfortunately, have become an integral attribute of reality in a number of countries around the world. These are Syria, Egypt, Nigeria, Iraq, this is the province of Kosovo, the current authorities of which try to call themselves democratic and, moreover, independent, but in fact support extremist groups that actually destroy the Christian component in this region. The number of Christians in the same Iraq over the past decade has declined more than tenfold! Kosovo Christians are forced to either move to the northern provinces, or simply leave the province.

Discussion of the problems of modernity by Patriarch Cyril and Pope Francis lasted more than two hours. As a result, a multi-page declaration was finally approved, which reflected the views of the supreme hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church and the RCC on events taking place in the world, including numerous wars and armed conflicts that swept the regions of the planet and claimed tens or even hundreds of thousands of lives.

Before the discussion, the primates of the two Christian churches presented each other gifts, which also traced a certain symbolism. Patriarch Kirill presented Pope Francis with a list of one of the most revered icons in the Orthodox world - the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God as a symbol of absolute trust and focus on working together, on serving together. The pope presented to the patriarch as a gift a part of the relics of his heavenly patron, the Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Cyril, one of the saints, who performed an outstanding mission to consolidate Eastern and Western Christianity.



From the joint statement of the supreme hierarchs (press service of the Moscow Patriarchate):
Our gaze is turned to people in dire straits, living in conditions of extreme need and poverty at a time when the material wealth of humanity is growing. We cannot remain indifferent to the fate of the millions of migrants and refugees who are knocking on the doors of rich countries. (...) The unbridled consumption characteristic of some of the most developed countries is rapidly depleting the resources of our planet, and the growing inequality in the distribution of earthly goods increases the sense of injustice of the spread system of international relations. The Christian Churches are called to uphold the demands of justice, respect for the traditions of nations and effective solidarity with all those who suffer.


During the meeting, the problem of so-called uniatism was also discussed, the principle of which is that the unity of church communities is based on the separation of one of these communities from their church. As is known, this principle is still being attempted to be implemented in a number of countries in Eastern Europe, including Ukraine. For the first time in history, the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church came to a single interpretation of the phenomenon. From the declaration of the Patriarch of Moscow and the Pope:

The method of "uniatism" of former centuries, which involves bringing one community into unity with another by its separation from its Church, is not a way to restore unity. At the same time, church communities that emerged as a result of historical circumstances have the right to exist and undertake everything necessary to satisfy the spiritual needs of their faithful, seeking peace with their neighbors. Orthodox and Greek Catholics need reconciliation and finding mutually acceptable forms of coexistence.


The supreme hierarchs of the ROC and the RCC emphasize that their meeting in no way bore the character of proselytism, that is, it was not aimed at any attempts to convert this or that flock to a new faith for it. From the joint declaration:

Orthodox and Catholics are united not only by the common Tradition of the Church of the first millennium, but also by the mission of preaching the Gospel of Christ in the modern world. This mission involves the mutual respect of members of Christian communities, excludes any form of proselytism.


And, perhaps, the key phrase of the entire declaration:

We are not rivals, but brothers: we must proceed from this understanding in all our actions in relation to each other and to the outside world.



And this is a real breakthrough in relationships. Well, if not the breakthrough itself, then certainly a hint of a breakthrough. Catholics and Christians are brothers (at least the supreme hierarchs of the two churches) did not name each other never. Therefore, I sincerely want to hope that the spirit of destructive rivalry between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, which at one time also led to a lot of blood, has become obsolete. And if the main step in the direction of pragmatic rapprochement on the basis of mutual consideration of interests is made, then the meeting of Patriarch Cyril and Pope Francis may well become a model both for hierarchs of other religious movements, and for politicians of our time, who often believe that dialogue is the last thing it is worth going for the resolution of global problems, and seeing as the resolution of such problems an exceptionally strange policy of sanctioning political and economic pressure.
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  1. Urals
    Urals 13 February 2016 08: 34
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    This is the whole essence of the Russian soul ... In unification against war and injustice! No wonder all kinds of liberalists and their masters howl at the Russian Orthodox Church from anger!
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 13 February 2016 08: 44
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      Quote: Ural
      This is the whole essence of the Russian soul ... In uniting against war and injustice!

      But do you refuse Catholics such qualities? In fact, a historical meeting would not have been possible without the mutual consent of the hierarchs.
      Quote: Ural
      No wonder all kinds of liberalists and their masters howl at the Russian Orthodox Church from anger!

      They also howl at the Catholic Church. Of course, the Vatican, at one time, allowed a lot of jambs - the Holy Inquisition, the Crusades (against the "Russian Orthodox" as well), trade in indulgences, etc. But, at the present time, Catholicism is a conservative, in a good way, religion. And this is its similarity with Orthodoxy.
      For example, when we talk about same-sex marriages permitted by the church, it should be borne in mind that the Vatican categorically does not approve of such an abomination. And this comes from Catholic schismatics - Protestants. That's just Protestantism (and all sorts of other similar Anglicanism, etc.) - the religion of the Anglo-Saxons, who in every possible way lead the world to chaos.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 08: 52
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        Quote: Ami du peuple

        But do you refuse Catholics such qualities?

        2000 years Catholics went to kill on behalf of Christ. Catholicism is now dying. A little more and in Europe there will be no Churches.
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But, at the present time, Catholicism is a conservative, in a good sense, religion.

        In many countries he is perverted. Women are bishops, weddings of gays and others. In short, to make it clear, we will have to save Christianity in Europe.
        1. tomket
          tomket 13 February 2016 10: 03
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          2000 years Catholics went to kill on behalf of Christ. Catholicism is dying now

          I hope Patriarch Kirill went to accept surrender.
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 13 February 2016 10: 17
            +3
            It would be advisable for the defense ministers to attend the meeting ..., to discuss specific steps to protect Christianity, the coordinates of the VD in the Vatican and Italy, as they say, hope for God, and ...
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            1. Baikal
              Baikal 13 February 2016 14: 10
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              Quote: Rus2012
              ... so wait and see ...

              So far - the whole situation is something suspiciously reminiscent of ...

            2. GOGY
              GOGY 13 February 2016 14: 48
              +8
              I will subscribe to every word, for I do not believe the wolves in sheep’s clothing ... The global confrontation between the two civilizations was, is and will be until it ends in triumph alone. And Catholicism - the spearhead of the spear of Western civilization that it brings to the Russian world - there is no need to explain, we have already experienced this since the time of Prince Alexander Nevsky (Gumilyov described it all well), so the true goals of this meeting are incomprehensible and alarming.
              1. Samurai3X
                Samurai3X 13 February 2016 15: 50
                +5
                You need to understand the difference. In the West, a pure cult of money and material values ​​rules. Starting somewhere in the middle of the 17 century. Catholics, although they possess decent wealth, are not completely divorced from Christianity. There is a concept of Western values ​​and there is a concept of Christian values. You put equality between them.
                The spearhead of Western civilization is the Dollar, Oil, and Navy. Catholics here what side? Or have you forgotten against representatives of which branch of Christianity we fought since the beginning of the 18 century? Sweden, Great Britain.
                There was a moment with Napoleon, but it is rather the results of the Anglophilian preferences of our dear emperor, after which his son was forced to burn Masson lodges and other clubs of interest. After the middle of the 19 century, France, as a Catholic power, can be forgotten. There, bankers began to rule.
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 13 February 2016 18: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Samurai3X
                  after which his son was forced to burn Masson lodges and other interest clubs


                  Maybe all the same brother? laughing EMNIP, Alexander did not have sons - but his brother (Nikolai) was really suitable for his sons by age (age difference is 24 years).
                  And what about "Anglophilism" ... What is there, just banal blackmail: Alexandra was brazenly able to cover up in the murder of his own father - so he was on the hook for the rest of their lives ...
                  1. Cap.Morgan
                    Cap.Morgan 14 February 2016 10: 45
                    +1
                    Alexander the First did not care about this hook; he, the winner of Napoleon, was not subject to anyone. Another issue is moral suffering.
                  2. Samurai3X
                    Samurai3X 15 February 2016 14: 32
                    0
                    Confused (in the head about Nicholas 2 thought, and he is the son of Alexander). But not the point. They did not cover it. The fact is that Alexander killed his father, action or inaction is not the point. He probably knew in 100%.
                2. slovak
                  slovak 13 February 2016 18: 59
                  +2
                  Napoleon Pope Pius VII. excommunicated from the catholic church.
                  1. Talgat
                    Talgat 13 February 2016 20: 15
                    +2
                    In fact, the world is now on the edge of the abyss

                    It’s not in vain that all the media explicitly say, and if I'm not mistaken, the Pope and the Patriarch compared the situation with the Caribbean crisis

                    I am sure that this is not a routine long-planned meeting - but urgent negotiations between mediators of the West and East

                    From the same series is the meeting between Lavrov and Kerry - where they seem to agree among themselves on a cease-fire in Syria and during the ceasefire week

                    When I heard this phrase in the news, I was very surprised - it seems like an official legend that the war is between ISIS and coalitions - and the parties that are at war with each other can agree and armistice

                    And this phrase betrayed - who is actually against whom is in Syria
                3. GOGY
                  GOGY 14 February 2016 00: 00
                  +1
                  Well, great! Until the 18th century, Russia was calm and quiet, so what? And the Livonian campaign against Russia in 1240 with the aim of subjugating the lands of Pskov and Novgorod, and the expansion of Lithuania, as a result of which Southwestern Russia became part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where, after the signing of the Krevo Union in 1385, the forcible imposition of Catholicism began. And the same Yagailo, together with Mamai, hatched plans for the partition of Rus, and behind Mamai's back are the ears of the papal legates and Genoa sticking out? How did it all end? Yes, we won the Battle of Kulikovo, but what did it cost us? And what about the Polish intervention of 1609, when the ruling circles of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Catholic Church attempted to dismember Russia and abolish its sovereignty? The Poles were expelled from Moscow, but following the results of the Deulinsky truce in 1618, the Smolensk, Starodub and Chernigov lands were transferred to Poland and were conquered only in 1667. And the words of Pope Francis about the need to integrate sodomites into society, at their synod a document, which said that "homosexuality is a sin, but homosexuals" have talents and virtues and can serve for the benefit of the Christian society "were not accepted, could not get 2/3 votes, the process, as they say, “went.” Therefore, I would be more careful with such dubious values ​​and with their preachers, something like this
                  1. Cap.Morgan
                    Cap.Morgan 14 February 2016 10: 57
                    -1
                    Sorry, but during the Battle of Kulikovo, Jagiello, half Russian, was Orthodox.
                    In the reports of the Genoese and Venetian merchants, where all receipts are stored, there is not a word about the financing of the Mamaia army.
                    In the era of Troubles, there were, of course, Poles "crown" who came to Moscow, but a significant part of the Polish army was Orthodox. Vladislav Korolev was invited to the Moscow throne. Invited. The Poles did not capture Moscow.
                    And imagine for a second that if this happened and a huge Russian - Polish state were formed. The world would be different now.
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                    2. Weyland
                      Weyland 14 February 2016 17: 02
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                      Quote: Cap.Morgan
                      And imagine for a second that if this happened and a huge Russian - Polish state were formed. The world would be different now.


                      Wow ... Sigismund, it seems, completely forgot that the share of Orthodox Christians in the Sejm was more than 40% - and in the event of the annexation of Russia, the Russian nobility would have to give voting rights in the Sejm - and the balance would inevitably shift in favor of the Orthodox .. . laughing
                      Well, it was necessary to hate like a motherland! laughing (I mean that Sigismund wanted to subjugate Russia only in order to be able to strike Sweden from two sides at once - and then for a long time and thoughtfully explain to the Swedes what a fatal mistake they made by overthrowing Sigismund from the Swedish throne ...)

                      And about the Orthodoxy of Jagaila ... With the same success, in those years he can be considered a pagan! Although ... Keistutu swore by all the Lithuanian gods, but he cynically violated the oath - I suspect that in real life he was an atheist at all!
                  2. Weyland
                    Weyland 14 February 2016 16: 57
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                    Quote: GOGY
                    and behind the back of Mamaia are the ears of the papal legates and Genoa sticking out?


                    Genoa, yes. What about papal legates? Support for Mamaia - a consequence of the dismantling of Genoa with the same Catholic Venice! Just Byzantium was friends with Venice in those years, and Moscow with Vmzantii ...
                  3. Weyland
                    Weyland 14 February 2016 16: 57
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                    Quote: GOGY
                    and behind the back of Mamaia are the ears of the papal legates and Genoa sticking out?


                    Genoa, yes. What about papal legates? Support for Mamaia - a consequence of the dismantling of Genoa with the same Catholic Venice! Just Byzantium was friends with Venice in those years, and Moscow with Vmzantii ...
          3. Weyland
            Weyland 13 February 2016 18: 43
            +5
            Quote: tomket
            I hope Patriarch Kirill went to accept surrender.


            Duc, it was not for nothing that Stalin was interested in:
            "How many armored divisions does the Vatican have?" laughing
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          5. Ivan Ivanych
            Ivan Ivanych 13 February 2016 21: 37
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            Do you know what you are writing?
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          1. Weyland
            Weyland 13 February 2016 18: 50
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            Quote: pl675
            millions of flies can't be wrong


            ChSH you, agnostics, also millions ... laughing
            1. pl675
              pl675 13 February 2016 20: 35
              +1
              "chsh" is what?
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 13 February 2016 18: 22
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In many countries he is perverted. Women bishops, gay weddings and more.


          So these protestant perverts neither consider themselves Catholics - nor, moreover, Catholics do not consider them "theirs"!
        4. slovak
          slovak 13 February 2016 18: 47
          +4
          In the Catholic Church it is impossible for women to be bishops (do you know at least one example?), Gay weddings and more.
        5. nimboris
          nimboris 15 February 2016 05: 12
          0
          About 2000 years to Catholics you got excited, the division of Christianity took place in 1054, and then the confrontation did not immediately begin. Crusades to Russia began in the 13th century.
          And Pope Francis commands my respect, as does Patriarch Kirill. By the way, I am a Buddhist, the Dalai Lama XIV is our "Pope" or "Patriarch".
          1. slovak
            slovak 15 February 2016 23: 08
            +1
            The essence of my proposal was that the Catholic faith, including the teachings of morality, does not change not only in the present, but even never in its history.
            The Catholic Church was founded by Christ 2000 years ago.
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      3. RUSS
        RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 01
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        Quote: Ami du peuple
        But, at the present time, Catholicism is conservative

        Come on? And what is conservatism? On the contrary, they are increasingly moving away from the true values ​​of Christianity.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 32
          +1
          Can you list the basic values ​​of Christianity?
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 43
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            Quote: Darkness
            Can you list the basic values ​​of Christianity?

            Everything does not make sense, but for example, I’ll say one value of Christianity is morality, Catholicism is gradually moving away from this value, especially in Europe.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 13 February 2016 09: 49
              +5
              Quote: RUSS
              morality, here from this value Catholicism is gradually moving away
              There wasn’t at all!
              Instead of leading a person to the realization of a perfect moral evil, the Catholic Church limited itself to performing some ineffective functions, including selling indulgences. Indulgence is a letter of absolution. It was enough for a person to acquire such a letter, as he was automatically removed from moral responsibility for a misconduct and even for a crime. The man was sure that his sins were forgiven and his conscience before God was clear. No more repentance, no suffering and deprivation was required.
              Despite the clearly corrupt nature of the spread of indulgences, their sale increased every year, because it was beneficial for the Catholic Church. The proceeds from the sale of letters turned out to be so high that the church was not going to refuse a profitable occupation.
              (http://www.e-reading.mobi/chapter.php/1023226/41/Tribis_-_
              Gipotezy_i_zabluzhdeniya, _o_kotoryh_dolzhen_znat_sovremennyy_chelovek.html)
              And same-sex marriages, Catholic pedophilia (from which you can buy off (see above)) - in general, at least - contempt! So, what about "them" you can get dirty!
              And "They" want to stain Orthodoxy with this! Draw in! To solve their problems and substitute! Because Pope serves not God, but the devil (Political ambitions of the US Anglo-Saxons)!
              1. ruAlex
                ruAlex 13 February 2016 11: 39
                +5
                I agree with many opinions that Catholics in their history have done a lot of stupid things, to put it mildly, in the past and now distorting the very essence of Christianity, but now there is a historical chance and it would be foolish not to use it.
              2. Fat
                Fat 13 February 2016 17: 31
                +5
                Quote: Baikonur
                And "They" want to stain Orthodoxy with this! Draw in! To solve their problems and substitute! Because Pope serves not God, but the devil (Political ambitions of the US Anglo-Saxons)!

                Dear, Anglo-Saxons are not Catholics, but Protestants in their mass
              3. slovak
                slovak 13 February 2016 20: 08
                +4
                According to the Catholic faith, indulgence is a partial or complete forgiveness of punishment for sins, there is no forgiveness of sins - repentance is necessary for their forgiveness.
                Indulgence was not for sale and not for sale. Good deeds are needed for its acquisition, especially prayer. The letter does not exist.
                Same-sex marriages do not exist in the Catholic Church. Pedophilia is no more than in other societies.
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 13 February 2016 10: 09
              +5
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Darkness
              Can you list the basic values ​​of Christianity?

              Everything does not make sense, but for example, I’ll say one value of Christianity is morality, Catholicism is gradually moving away from this value, especially in Europe.

              Catholicism is not moving away, but has become on the brink of extinction. All recent events with the migration of Muslims, with deviations from the faith, have begun the decline of Catholicism. The pope understands this better than politicians, and even the fact that he is Argentinean plays a big role, does not have snobbery like previous European popes . Orthodoxy for Catholics is perhaps the only Christian branch that has survived due to the isolation of the country and state support. I don’t think that Catholics and Christians will forget all the insults overnight, but I suppose that a serious rapprochement will begin on many issues.
              Although Pope is a cog in the Western system of values, and in modern times he can be accused of pedafilia, hell knows what if he goes against the system.
              We will all see soon
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 13 February 2016 12: 35
                +5
                Quote: APASUS Catholicism is not moving away, but has become on the brink of extinction. All recent events with the migration of Muslims, with deviations from the faith, have begun the decline of Catholicism. The pope understands this better than politicians, and even though he is an Argentinean, he does not have snobbery like previous European popes .

                Catholic traditions are strong in South America. No need, just speak for the whole of Europe, I mean, in fact, big cities. In France, Italy, Spain, the rural population is quite represented, which, in turn, is not infected with the virus of liberalism.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 13 February 2016 18: 25
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  Catholic traditions are strong in South America.

                  And I have not mentioned South America not once, the collapse begins precisely from the European part, thanks to the "new morality", which has nothing to do with faith.
                  Quote: avva2012
                  No need, just speak for the whole of Europe, I mean, in fact, big cities. In France, Italy, Spain, the rural population is quite represented, which, in turn, is not infected with the virus of liberalism.

                  Well now, take the level of urbanization of these countries and look at the percentage of the rural to urban population.
                  Italy 68,7
                  Spain 77,7
                  France 86,9
                  Germany 87
                  Netherlands 88,9
                  UK 89
                  Iceland 93,1
                  Belgium 97
                  Do you need to write further about the level of religiosity of the European population?
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 13 February 2016 18: 45
                    +1
                    And whom do we see on gamepads? Farmers? We do not know the potential of the normal population of Europe. Toli, still will be, oh her.
              2. kunstkammer
                kunstkammer 13 February 2016 16: 07
                -2
                Although Pope is a cog in the Western system of values, and in modern times he can be accused of pedafilia, hell knows what if he goes against the system.
                We will all see soon

                oh, I'm afraid the pontiffs urgently need to dump the American continent ...
                And then, God forbid, tomorrow there will be a maid with a joyful look informing the glorious American media about her "brutal" rape by both pontiffs!
                The ways of the Lord are inscrutable .... and the CIA too.
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 13 February 2016 22: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: kunstkammer
                  Oh, I'm afraid the pontiffs urgently need to get out of the American continent ... Otherwise, God forbid, tomorrow there will be a maid with a joyful look informing the glorious American media about her "brutal" rape by both pontiffs! The ways of God are inscrutable .... and so is the CIA.

                  I think the Pope is not living badly in Europe itself, because only tacit consent is required of him and that's it!
            3. Darkness
              Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 19
              -7
              Morality has nothing to do with religion, and in particular with Christianity.
              In Japan, for example, there is no morality, chtoli?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 10: 52
                +2
                Quote: Darkness
                In Japan, for example, there is no morality, chtoli?

                Have you been to Japan?
                1. Darkness
                  Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 17
                  -3
                  No. But you must?
                  And what is the manner of answering a question with a question?
                  Is there morality in Japan or not?
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 11: 33
                    +8
                    Quote: Darkness
                    No. But you must?

                    And it would be worth it if you ride there. And I guarantee that in the Tokyo gopstop district no one will attack you at two in the morning. It’s simply because for the Japanese it’s below their own dignity to get their hands dirty on some European appearance. The essence of morality that you are a second-rate person for them. if not a third-rate person. And they will fill their faces with pleasure.
                    And the most interesting thing is that you did not cite Europe and the USA as an example, for obvious reasons. Current in Japan, again, the theme of incest is much more open than even in the same Europe. And there are enough fagots there.
                    Because you poked a finger, but by hi
                    1. Darkness
                      Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 44
                      +1
                      Is there morality or not?
                      It seems like an easy question, and you start wagging
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 11: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Darkness
                        Is there morality or not?

                        Someone has it, and someone is changing their gender. It’s all like in Europe, but it’s not advertised much here, because you think that everything is fine there.
                      2. Darkness
                        Darkness 13 February 2016 12: 05
                        +6
                        So it is in Russia. No matter what religion they practice.
                        And yes. Morality is not only a sex change)))
                        This is a complex behavior pattern.
                        But in the atheistic USSR this was much better than in modern Russia.
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                3. RUSS
                  RUSS 13 February 2016 12: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Darkness
                  Is there morality in Japan or not?

                  The first brothel ("comfort station") for Japanese soldiers- appeared in 1932 in Shanghai. Its need was officially explained by the protection of soldiers from sexually transmitted diseases, and unofficially - by the desire to reduce the number of rapes. Invited Japanese women worked at the first “station”, but in the subsequent prisoners of concentration camps were brought in. In total, about 400 brothels were created.

                  According to various sources, in the "consolation stations" contained from 50 thousand to 200 thousand slaves. According to the testimonies of the brothel prisoners, each of the women served about 30 men a day. In the case of sexually transmitted diseases or pregnancies, they were given medication with arsenic. Also known about slaves who fell into brothels at a minor age.
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 13 February 2016 12: 28
                    -6
                    What was the situation with brothels in RI? Did priests go to consecrate them?
                4. avva2012
                  avva2012 13 February 2016 15: 08
                  +7
                  Quote: Gloom Is there morality in Japan or not?

                  Have you seen the "Shocking Asia" documentary? The film is about the 70s, but still. There is a lot about Japan. Take a look. Ask a question about morality.
            4. APASUS
              APASUS 13 February 2016 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: Darkness
              Morality has nothing to do with religion, and in particular with Christianity.

              What are you my friend started in demagoguery, a case of I. Kant read in his spare time?
              Kant claimed:
              Religion, according to matter or object, is no different from morality, since the common subject of both is moral duties; the difference between religion and morality is only formal
            5. Weyland
              Weyland 13 February 2016 18: 56
              0
              Quote: Darkness
              Morality has nothing to do with religion, and in particular with Christianity.


              How is it? Each religion has its own morality - for the Aztecs of the time of Montezuma, cannibalism and mass human sacrifices were moral, for Lenin, "it is moral that serves the cause of the revolution."
              Only to our all this just has no morality
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          3. vlad_vlad
            vlad_vlad 13 February 2016 13: 01
            +2
            well yes. and drunk priests in jeeps, patriarch’s watches worth in cars and business in candles - is it propaganda of moral covetousness? The new dad, even though he refused all the limousines, although he also probably does not starve.
            I believe that religion is an individual matter and I am suspicious of both those and that if they are trying to "organize" and "manage" on this.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 13 February 2016 17: 59
              +4
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              yes. and drunk priests on jeeps, patriarch’s watches worth in cars and business on candles - this is propaganda of moral covetousness

              Do not confuse faith with apostates
              Quote: vlad_vlad
              The new dad, even though he refused all the limousines, although he also probably does not starve.

              It’s time to already know that the heads of the main religious confessions of Russia are equated with top-level officials and have state protection and all related services.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 08
                -1
                What is this document written in?
                1. APASUS
                  APASUS 13 February 2016 22: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: Darkness
                  What is this document written in?

                  The Federal Security Service operates on the basis of the "Regulation on the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation", approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 07.08.2004 No. 1013, published within its powers, on the basis of Art. 80 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and paragraph 4 of Art. 12 Federal Law "On State Protection"

                  Explanations need to be given?
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        3. martin-159
          martin-159 13 February 2016 15: 04
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          Read The Article of Faith.
        4. Bayun
          Bayun 13 February 2016 18: 41
          -1
          Quote: Darkness
          Can you list the basic values ​​of Christianity?


          1. To love God 2. To love one's neighbor 3. To love oneself.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 44
            -1
            This is where such values ​​are listed? Have you come up with?
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 13 February 2016 19: 04
              +3
              Quote: Darkness
              This is where such values ​​are listed?


              In the Gospel, dearest (if this name tells you something) - only Bayun misinterpreted:
              Jesus said to him: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like her: Love thy neighbor as yourself ...
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 20: 46
                +1
                And the neighbors are only Orthodox, right?
                1. Heimdall47
                  Heimdall47 13 February 2016 21: 05
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                  Quote: Darkness
                  And the neighbors are only Orthodox, right?

                  Not properly. You open the gospel and it says who are the neighbors. If you do not know the basic things, then why do you undertake to condemn something?
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 39
                    +2
                    Then where does such hatred for atheists and pagans come from?
                    1. Heimdall47
                      Heimdall47 13 February 2016 22: 54
                      +1
                      Who, where? I do not have. Patients should be treated, not hated. You read your messages and you can immediately see that something is not in order. smile The duty of a Christian is to help the unfortunate))
                    2. sa-ag
                      sa-ag 14 February 2016 08: 09
                      -1
                      Quote: Heimdall47
                      Patients should be treated, not hated. You read your messages and you can immediately see that something is wrong

                      Here, something is just not right, because if a person is different from the church, then for your reason it’s considered to be sick for some reason, ah-yah, how bad
                    3. Heimdall47
                      Heimdall47 15 February 2016 08: 24
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                      Quote: sa-ag
                      Quote: Heimdall47
                      Patients should be treated, not hated. You read your messages and you can immediately see that something is wrong

                      Here, something is just not right, because if a person is different from the church, then for your reason it’s considered to be sick for some reason, ah-yah, how bad

                      At least the Orthodox people know firmly what is good and what is bad, as well as who is sick and who is healthy. This is already very good.
                      There is citizen Darkness - he either sings a toast to Stalin and atheism, then switches to Prince Svyatoslav with paganism. Is that his sound thinking?
                      You are also careful with atheism, otherwise you will begin to doubt your sexual orientation laughing Look at least at Europe with its atheism.
                  2. Boos
                    Boos 14 February 2016 10: 22
                    -4
                    How can a "servant of God" help a free person? Christianity fizzled out, for the Night of Svarog was over, the Sinai religions devoured themselves. You can do without the crusades ...)
                  3. Heimdall47
                    Heimdall47 15 February 2016 08: 26
                    +1
                    How a "slave of God" can help a free person

                    Old age will come - it will skew in full and immediately the realization will come how "free" you are.
                    God forbid of course, but everyone is skewed.
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 13 February 2016 23: 19
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            Quote: Darkness
            And the neighbors are only Orthodox, right?


            Take the trouble to google "parable of the merciful Samaritan"
            If you don’t know: the Samaritans were considered by Jews to be inveterate heretics.
          3. Weyland
            Weyland 13 February 2016 23: 19
            0
            Quote: Darkness
            And the neighbors are only Orthodox, right?


            Take the trouble to google "parable of the merciful Samaritan"
            If you don’t know: the Samaritans were considered by Jews to be inveterate heretics.
  • slovak
    slovak 13 February 2016 19: 16
    0
    The Catholic faith, including the 10 commandments, has been unchanged for 2000 years.
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 14
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    Quote: Ami du peuple
    In fact, a historical meeting would not have been possible without the mutual consent of the hierarchs.

    Moreover, it was the Moscow Patriarch who was given preference for solving problems between Catholics and Orthodox, and not other hierarchs of the 15 Orthodox Churches of the world.
  • Alexart
    Alexart 13 February 2016 12: 05
    +3
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Catholicism is a conservative, in a good way, religion. And this is its similarity with Orthodoxy.

    Yes Yes Yes.
    The history of the taking of the Orthodox Constantinople by the Crusaders, well, it is far from us, it does not touch our hearts.
    But if you just recall, as an example, the blessing of the pope to the Livonians, the Swedes to capture Russian lands and everything at once in our brains should fall into place: Catholicism has been and remains our enemy No. 1, no matter what kind of skins he is dressed in.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 13 February 2016 12: 49
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple The Vatican, at one time, allowed many shoals - the Holy Inquisition, the Crusades (against "Russian Orthodox" as well), trade in indulgences, etc.

    I agree with your comment, acre, of these two proposals. Indulgences, yes, there were, but for a long time. And the Holy Inquisition was not created in vain. Who the Albigensians are, their goals and objectives, you can read if you wish. So, it was created against them. Further, in those days, satanic cults were widespread. And if someone thinks that for holding a "black mass" without cuts, these individuals are not worthy of an auto-da-fe? D. Bruno, also a Satanist, ped-st, so he deserves it. Galileo Galilei, and Copernicus too, knew for a long time that "it turns". And they were judged, not for that. The Atheist's Handbook is a good thing, but a little outdated.
  • Vadim42
    Vadim42 13 February 2016 12: 56
    0
    I forgot that the pope and finished off the Eastern Roman Empire with the hands of the Crusaders.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 13: 01
      +3
      Quote: Vadim42
      I forgot that the pope and finished off the Eastern Roman Empire with the hands of the Crusaders.

      The Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) was finished off by the Turks with the capture of Constantinople.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 13 February 2016 19: 21
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        finished off the Turks with the capture of Constantinople.


        Because the crusaders crushed it so thoroughly that in 250 years it never recovered: in 1204 there were a million inhabitants, and in 1453 - only 100 thousand! Trite is not enough people to protect the huge perimeter!
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  • your1970
    your1970 13 February 2016 13: 15
    0
    I wonder - why in Cuba? A place as if very far from Orthodoxy and close to Catholics, strange ...
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 February 2016 13: 57
    +3
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    For example, when we talk about same-sex marriages permitted by the church, it should be borne in mind that the Vatican categorically does not approve of such an abomination. And this comes from Catholic schismatics - Protestants. That's just Protestantism (and all sorts of other similar Anglicanism, etc.) - the religion of the Anglo-Saxons, who in every possible way lead the world to chaos.

    Where does this infa come from? Fill in Google with the words "Pope's attitude towards gays." You will see a lot of interesting things. For example, in October 14, the Pope and his representatives officially declared: "Gays have many gifts and talents that they could offer to the Christian community." And Pope Francis also promised not to condemn priests for their gay orientation. In his opinion, homosexual confessors "must be forgiven and their sins forgotten." And it's not about the "former" gay priests about the current !!! Link to RBC: http://www.rbc.ru/society/29/07/2013/867984.shtml
    And dofiga what else is bad about the current attitude of Catholics to pederasts.
    And vice versa, the official from Kentucky, Kim Davis is a Protestant !!! went to jail because of the refusal to register a homosexual marriage: "" I weighed everything, and I am ready to go to jail. It's not about gays or lesbians. It's about keeping the law of God. It's easy to talk about your faith, but you try do as faith dictates to do. I am very firm in my faith. I do not leave my conscience and soul in the car before starting work. "
    Here is a link to the site "Orthodoxy and the World" http://www.pravmir.ru/kim-devis-ya-gotova-idti-v-tyurmu/
    Dear "friend of the people", the world is much more complicated than your comments suggest. And the reality, often, is far from what you categorically claim. Hence the moral: before you post deliberate nonsense, read at least a few sites and the Internet on the topic.
    1. slovak
      slovak 13 February 2016 19: 41
      +3
      According to the Catholic faith, a homosexual act is a particularly serious sin.
      Nowadays in the Catholic Church a person with homosexual inclinations cannot enter a priest.
      Another thing is if a person has homosexual inclinations, without his fault, but he does not commit homosexual acts. The church does not condemn these people.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 13 February 2016 14: 27
    +1
    Catholicism in Europe is certainly dying. Since even the main Catholic countries - Italy, Ireland and Croatia do not fight for it. But all of Latin and South America is largely Catholic. A normal relationship with Catholics can benefit us in a new light. Well, Protestant Britain, the United States, Germany and Sweden are for us much greater opponents than Catholics. hi
  • slovak
    slovak 13 February 2016 21: 38
    0
    The reason for the crusades was the appeal of the Byzantine king Alexy I. in 1095 to the pope asking for help against attacking Muslims. In my opinion, if there were no crusades, Islam could have defeated Europe. As for the 4th Crusade, it was without the consent of the pope. The reason was the invitation of the Crusaders to the struggle for personal power as a member of the Byzantine imperial family, and they, unfortunately, did so.
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    1. Volodin
      13 February 2016 09: 02
      10
      Quote: ava09
      Vladimir is the son of the keywoman Malka, the daughter of the rabbi.
      Since according to the Jewish tradition, nationality is passed on to the mother, it turns out that Russia baptized a Jew.


      About the rabbi's daughter - this is a complete "flight". Source - Wikipedia, no? ..

      Dear, and you still did not tell us anything about the nationality of Jesus Christ and the global masonic-Jewish conspiracy ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 09: 03
        +8
        Quote: Volodin
        You still did not tell us anything about the nationality of Jesus Christ and the global Masonic-Jewish conspiracy ...

        Alexei, do not react to stupidity. It’s impossible to convince!
        1. hrapon
          hrapon 13 February 2016 09: 42
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Volodin
          You still did not tell us anything about the nationality of Jesus Christ and the global Masonic-Jewish conspiracy ...

          Alexei, do not react to stupidity. It’s impossible to convince!


          Stupidity is not worth it, but a hiss from under the deck - you need to fight back. So, Alexey, everything is on the case and the article turned out to be successful - informative, dynamic syllable with a good emotional structure. Everything in essence, without water and unnecessary "lyrical digressions".
      2. Kaiten
        Kaiten 13 February 2016 09: 25
        10
        About Jews remembered as usual, through 5 posts. Everything is OK, so the whole weekend in the country is relatively sober.
        1. Urals
          Urals 13 February 2016 09: 43
          +8
          Quote: Kaiten
          About Jews remembered as usual, through 5 posts. Everything is OK, so the whole weekend in the country is relatively sober.

          Where are you, my dear, then ...))) The most interesting thing is right here right here! laughing
          1. Kaiten
            Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 04
            +4
            Quote: Ural
            Where are you, my dear, then ...))) The most interesting thing is right here right here!

            It's time to add the index "BE" - remember the Jew. If they remember about Jews, after 5-6 posts, everything is OK, after 10-12 - there are heavy alcohol holidays in the country, if they remembered only after 15-20 posts, there is some kind of cataclysm in the country.
            1. Urals
              Urals 13 February 2016 10: 39
              +3
              Quote: Kaiten
              Quote: Ural
              Where are you, my dear, then ...))) The most interesting thing is right here right here!

              It's time to add the index "BE" - remember the Jew. If they remember about Jews, after 5-6 posts, everything is OK, after 10-12 - there are heavy alcohol holidays in the country, if they remembered only after 15-20 posts, there is some kind of cataclysm in the country.

              laughing You are wrong, dear, it is you here who climb into all the holes .. (you teach everything according to the old habit ..)))) And we, according to the "old" habit, remember you (there is a reason ..) hi And with the Arabs, you would be softer yet ...! It’s not an hour we can’t restrain them! And Ai Wei will be useless to scream ... God forbid!
              1. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 10: 46
                +3
                Quote: Ural
                Ai Wei screaming will be useless ... God forbid!

                Don’t worry, they’re practicing making several passports for themselves. They won’t be lost. Your vis-a-vis, for example, in Golyanovo can rush.
                1. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Valera
                  in Golyanovo can rush.

                  Golyanovo is good. There is a fabulous place. A person can go there and the abyss. And it would seem like an ordinary Moscow region .... Do you know where the prototype of Sasha Bely from the series Brigade comes from?
                  1. valera
                    valera 13 February 2016 11: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    . Do you know where the prototype of Sasha Bely from the series Brigade is?

                    The prototype of Sasha Bely conducted his labor activity in another district of the capital.
                    1. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 13 February 2016 11: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Valera
                      The prototype of Sasha Bely conducted his labor activity in another district of the capital.

                      In which?
                    2. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 11: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      In which?

                      Orekhovo-Borisovo
                    3. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Valera
                      Orekhovo-Borisovo

                      Some sites talk about Walnut-Medvedka grouping, some about Golyanovo-Izmailovo.
                      www.aif.ru/realty/city/strah_i_nenavist_v_golyanovo_gid_po_samomu_opasnomu_rayon
                      u_moskvy
                    4. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 14: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      Some sites talk about Walnut-Medvedka grouping, some about Golyanovo-Izmailovo.

                      Yes, Sylvester is a prototype. And now you say your candidate. Stopudov Jew Malevsky will call.
                    5. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Valera
                      Yes Sylvester is a prototype. And now you say your candidate

                      I can’t say that they are now respected people, they run security companies, and for extra rinsing their names on the air you can make a little trouble. Well, I wrote to you once, our language is our enemy.
                    6. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 14: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      I can’t say that they are now respected people, they run security companies, and for extra rinsing their names on the air you can make a little trouble. Well, I wrote to you once, our language is our enemy.

                      It is a pity, I did not expect such a thing from a tough guy.
                      On the other hand, you could well know the Moscow lads.
                    7. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Valera
                      It’s a pity, I didn’t expect such a thing from a tough guy. Although you may be right.

                      I have no connection with them, but after 10 hands, you can whisper to them that Uncle Valera on the VO website collects open files on the Israelis, and at the same time is closely interested in their names. You understand that after that they will figure you out for one-two-three, anonymity on the Internet is very illusory. And then, you will not get off with explanatory notes, it will not be a school teacher's council.
                    8. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 14: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      but after 10 hands, you can whisper to them that Uncle Valera on the VO site, collects open files on the Israelis, and at the same time is closely interested in their names

                      Do you need it? I’m not interested in them, you yourself started a conversation about them.
                    9. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: Valera
                      Do you need it? I’m not interested in them, you yourself started a conversation about them.

                      In-in. After the funeral, of course, they are promoted by one rank, but as the classic said: "we will go the other way." So let's change the subject.
                    10. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 14: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      So we change the subject.

                      So I would not start it. They closed it.
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 13 February 2016 14: 50
                -1
                Quote: Valera It’s a pity, I didn’t expect such a thing from a tough guy. Although you might be right. On the other hand, you could well know the Moscow lads.

                Sorry, forgot. And what are they called, off-topic comments?
                If, you have found something to talk about, maybe there is a "personal"?
                Or, can you draw a parallel to the third crucified?
              3. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 14: 53
                0
                Quote: avva2012
                Sorry, forgot. And what are they called, off-topic comments?
                If, you have found something to talk about, maybe there is a "personal"?
                Or, can you draw a parallel to the third crucified?

                You probably don’t know that when you talk with the Jews, the quickly discussed topic goes by the wayside. This has been the case for centuries.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 51
    +4
    Quote: Ural
    You are wrong, dear, it is you here who climb into all the holes .. (you teach everything according to the old habit ..)))) And we, according to the "old" habit, remember you (there is a reason ..)

    True, the order is usually somewhat different, at first they remember about us, and then, at the call, so to speak, another fluffy appears. But it’s not sad for you yourself, about the fact that all your thoughts invariably slip into the discussion of one harmful nation.
    Quote: Ural
    And with the Arabs, you would be softer yet ...! It’s not an hour we can’t restrain them! And Ai Wei will be useless to scream ... God forbid!

    Well, we will have them quietly and sadly, without noise and dust .. And you already there do not bomb them too much, but they are also not worth weak ....
  • atalef
    atalef 13 February 2016 14: 47
    +2
    Quote: Ural
    And with the Arabs, you would be softer yet ...! Not even an hour we can’t hold back!

    So 5 once not restrained laughing
    Quote: Ural
    And Ai Wei will be useless to scream.

    Who are you talking about?
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  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 February 2016 14: 07
    0
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: Ural
    Where are you, my dear, then ...))) The most interesting thing is right here right here!

    It's time to add the index "BE" - remember the Jew. If they remember about Jews, after 5-6 posts, everything is OK, after 10-12 - there are heavy alcohol holidays in the country, if they remembered only after 15-20 posts, there is some kind of cataclysm in the country.

    On the contrary, the more it is accepted "on the chest" - the more often we remember the Jews laughing
  • bocsman
    bocsman 13 February 2016 10: 29
    +5
    Quote: Kaiten
    About Jews remembered as usual, through 5 posts. Everything is OK, so the whole weekend in the country is relatively sober.

    As one smart person said, - Partitions between churches do not reach heaven!
    In all world religions, there are enough schismatics and extremists, enough of them to Jews, but judging them all believers is at least stupid. And about the story. Now there are so many tractors, inventors, alternatives, amazed. Well, truth has always been born in disputes.
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 37
      -1
      Quote: bocsman
      In all world religions there are enough schismatics and extremists, they are enough for Jews too, but judging them all believers is at least stupid

      I’m not talking about believers, but I’m adding up opinions about people. If in almost any topic, the first thing they think about is the Jews, who for the most part no longer live in your country, then what does this indicate?
      1. valera
        valera 13 February 2016 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Kaiten
        If in almost any topic, the first thing they remember about the Jews

        You see how they love you here, even more than women. Otherwise, they didn’t remember.
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 13 February 2016 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: Valera
          You see how they love you here, even more than women. Otherwise, they didn’t remember.

          Valera, you would speak for yourself. I don’t think everyone present will agree with you. All the same, women are our everything.
          1. valera
            valera 13 February 2016 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Kaiten
            Valera, you’d speak for yourself. I don’t think that all those present will agree with you. All the same, women are our everything.

            But what can I say for myself. It’s not me who recalls you outside Jewish topics.
            Let them not agree, it's a master's business.
            You say the same thing.
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 25
              +1
              Quote: Valera
              It’s not I who recall you in non-Jewish topics.

              That's for sure. You will soon be able to write a dissertation on Jews or an opera ... Or are you writing an opera now?
              1. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 14: 28
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                Quote: Valera
                It’s not I who recall you in non-Jewish topics.

                That's for sure. You will soon be able to write a dissertation on Jews or an opera ... Or are you writing an opera now?

                I don’t understand that you don’t like my curiosity so much. Listen, I wrote a poem about the Semites.
              2. Kaiten
                Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 56
                +1
                Quote: Valera
                I don’t understand that you don’t like my curiosity so much. Listen, I wrote a poem about the Semites.

                Ah yes Valera, ah yes xxxxx son. Recite your sonnet.
              3. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 15: 00
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                Ah yes Valera, ah yes xxxxx son.

                You’re filtering it, you don’t have to contact me like that. I don’t touch your mother.
                Quote: Kaiten
                Recite your sonnet.

                Nope. There will be an Israeli article then I will post it. There, and the people will catch up. There will be fun. I promise.
              4. Kaiten
                Kaiten 13 February 2016 15: 22
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                Quote: Valera
                You’re filtering it, you don’t have to contact me like that. I don’t touch your mother.

                You shouldn't be offended, the expression: "ah yes Pushkin, ah yes, xxxxx son" is not mine, but a classic one. I didn't want to offend you or your family at all. If this happens, then forgive me, Semitic migrant. You also promised to burn me in the stove, but nothing, did not take offense. He laughed. Are you going to exhibit the poem?
              5. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 15: 53
                0
                Quote: Kaiten
                You also promised me to burn me in the stove, but you’re not offended. He laughed. Will you post a poem?

                I wasn’t going to burn you anywhere. Failure, if I still need you.
                Let's finish with the flood. And then the intercessor of the Jews prescribed 2-ku for me.
      2. atalef
        atalef 13 February 2016 14: 50
        +1
        Quote: Kaiten
        Or are you writing an opera?

        Solo on the drums? wink
  • activator
    activator 13 February 2016 11: 52
    +3
    Quote: bocsman
    a story. Now there are so many tractors, inventors, alternatives, amazed. Well, in disputes, ist was always born

    Well, history is not a historical fact, but the interpretation of these facts by beneficiaries winners and powerful. For example, take Ukraine two options for the development of history and it does not depend on who wins in the next hundred years. If the Maydan’s remain in power, then, with the support of the whole progressive world, the story will look something like this: Maidan’s good, a hundred heavenly heroes who met with the troops of the dictator Yanukovych, the Russian attack Ukraine occupation of Crimea war with Russia in the Donbas. Ilovaisk and Debaltsev battles in which, at the cost of heavy losses, the Ukrainian army was able to stop the advance of Russian troops and saved the European woman. LPR DNR terrorist organizations Motorola, Givi, Zakharchenko terrorists. If the Maydan’s fall, then everything is exactly the opposite, but Poroshenko’s usurper the junta and those who managed to break the ridge of the Nazi beast. In general, something like this will be emphasized in one way or another. Therefore, history is difficult to call science, as for me it is part of propaganda. I disagree to see how many times over the past sixty years rewrote history. And speak with confidence about the fact that it was 1500 years ago does not make sense at all.
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  • Weyland
    Weyland 13 February 2016 19: 33
    +1
    Quote: Volodin
    Source - Wikipedia, no? ..


    The Rodnovers have their own sources ... ЧСХ, Bulgarists agree with very believable the version that Malko Lyubechanin is Mal Drevlyansky (after all, the chronicles do not speak of his death!) Two weighty arguments "for":
    1) Mal - a nickname due to growth, and in the annals there is another nickname - Niskinya (Dobrynya Niskinich aka Nikitich).
    2) Vladimir had about 1000 concubines - and, presumably, hundreds of sons from them. After his death, none of them was disassembled in a showdown of his sons - i.e. in Russia, the son from the concubine had no rights to the throne. How did Vladimir himself make his way? But if Malusha is a Drevlyan princess, then she could become one of Svyatoslav's legal wives (by the way, a great way to reliably reconcile the rebellious Drevlyans) ...
  • Defender
    Defender 13 February 2016 20: 54
    0
    Sorry, minus, accidentally, set.
  • Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 13 February 2016 09: 02
    +3
    Quote: ava09
    Before Christianity in Russia was the Old Faith - Orthodoxy. Our ancestors were Orthodox, because Reign praised

    Rodnover or what? Funny, by golly ..
    1. venaya
      venaya 13 February 2016 09: 19
      +3
      Ami du peuple: "Rodnover or what? Funny, by golly .."- In addition to Rodnovers, apparently there are also new believers, that is, fans of a foreign or, more precisely, foreign faith. This is perhaps not at all funny, but rather sad.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 23
        +3
        Quote: venaya
        This is probably not funny at all, but rather sad

        Not even sad, but already dangerous, judging by how many sects have grown in Russia.
  • Darkness
    Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 07
    -9
    If the Russian Orthodox Church had not climbed into secular life, no one would have paid any attention to it.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 09: 09
      12
      Quote: Darkness
      If the Russian Orthodox Church did not climb into social life

      How hard it is for you, probably, under the yoke of the Church.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 17
        -3
        Tolerant for now.
      2. Volodin
        13 February 2016 09: 18
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        How hard it is for you, probably, under the yoke of the Church.

        Sash, five points! With a plus. smile
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 48
      +3
      Quote: Darkness
      If the Russian Orthodox Church did not climb into social life

      So far, just the opposite is true — all atheists and atheists climb into the Orthodox faith trying to kick it in every possible way.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 22
        +2
        Why are you lying? Or is it a special feature of the Orthodox?
        The Russian Orthodox Church no longer creeps into schools, universities, kindergartens, the army, etc.?
        Are more or less advantageous places not being built up with their "temples within walking distance"?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 13 February 2016 10: 40
          +2
          Quote: Darkness
          The Russian Orthodox Church no longer creeps into schools, universities, kindergartens, the army, etc.?

          In schools, universities, etc., sermons are prohibited, the "Law of God" is not studied, but only "The History of Religions" and that is optional.
          In the army, priests and mullahs are needed, if only because we have a large number of believers.
          Quote: Darkness
          Are more or less advantageous places not being built up with their "temples within walking distance"?

          Temples are built mostly on donations, regarding profitable places, - nonsense - name at least one and what is the benefit?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 52
            +5
            You're lying again. I hope that out of ignorance.
            In schools and universities there are sermons and the forcible introduction of "the foundations of Orthodoxy", because parents, in general, choose secular ethics.
            In the army, in general, the ministers of worship without the need.
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            2. RUSS
              RUSS 13 February 2016 11: 03
              0
              Quote: Darkness
              In schools and universities there are sermons and the forced introduction of the "foundations of Orthodoxy"

              My children study in a regular school, I know what I'm talking about.
              There are no sermons in schools and the "Foundations of Orthodoxy" is only optional, that is, at the request of the students and only after the main classes, so no la-la!
              Quote: Darkness
              because parents basically choose secular ethics.

              Parents have the right to choose whatever they want, just like in the West, where "sex education" is introduced in primary school.
              Quote: Darkness
              In the army, in general, worshipers unnecessarily

              Well, it’s not for you to decide, you do not believe so without problems do not pray in the army, do not partake, do not be baptized. But what about believers in the army? Incidentally, we have a law on religious freedom! Our soldiers from the time of Russia went into battle with prayer and prayed in the Second World War.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 19
                +4
                They also study with me. If you do not have this at school, this does not mean that in others it is the same.
                Russia is a secular state. Do you understand what secular means?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 February 2016 04: 36
                  +2
                  Russia is a woman’s state. The men had three shirts. and the women have twelve.
            3. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 13 February 2016 12: 48
              +4
              Dear, can you tell me why, when bullets start to whistle, shells burst, there is a bombing, and it's simple, when a person is scared, then first of all, even the "atheists" begin to yell: - "Lord save" or "Allah akbar" other? I would like to see you in such conditions, although God forbid.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 13: 48
                -3
                You're lying.
                How many believers were in the trenches of the Second World War?
                1. Weyland
                  Weyland 13 February 2016 19: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Darkness
                  You're lying.
                  How many believers were in the trenches of the Second World War?


                  IMHO, 95 percent. "There are no atheists in war" (c)
                  Well, maybe there were a few percent of especially stubborn commies ...
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 42
                    0
                    You can keep your IMHO with you.
                    You fantasize
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 February 2016 04: 56
                  +2
                  So. I will tell you. My grandfather was a Komsomol member. Their battalion was knocked out of an ambush. But they had one TT from the commander. which was torn apart by a shell. And how to fight?
              2. oxana_iv
                oxana_iv 13 February 2016 16: 22
                0
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                start screaming: - "Lord save" or "Allah akbar" or something else?


                And someone in a critical situation begins to swear. Is it also a creed? wink
            4. Banshee
              Banshee 13 February 2016 15: 38
              +4
              Quote: Darkness
              In the army, in general, the ministers of worship without the need.


              No, it will come in handy in the army. "There are no atheists in trenches under fire" (c)
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 09
                -1
                It's good to repeat this story
              2. andrei.yandex
                andrei.yandex 13 February 2016 18: 26
                0
                The question is not atheists, but precisely in modern religions.
              3. andrei.yandex
                andrei.yandex 14 February 2016 08: 00
                0
                That bourgeois well-fed physiognomy, after slandering on Brain, conscience doesn’t bother. Fifth column, you and a fake patriot like them.
            5. Rivares
              Rivares 14 February 2016 03: 49
              +2
              Quote: Darkness
              Universities have sermons and the forced introduction of the "foundations of Orthodoxy"

              There is. I confirm. Faced.
          2. AdekvatNICK
            AdekvatNICK 13 February 2016 11: 20
            +9
            in places where tourists gather and in the most beautiful places of the city. haircut of tourists. For example, in our city there was a place where there was a platform on the mountain from which a beautiful view of the bay of the city opened up. Now a temple will be built there. Why? you can only get there by car, grandmothers will not go there. For there is a central church in the city. But no, you need to be in the coolest place. beer is generally cool. And this despite the fact that in other churches that exist in the city, there are almost no people, few people come there. Only on holidays. And so there is a very weak "passenger flow". Why build more and more? and you would try to drive along the road from one city to another, we have a huge "cross Yara" every half a kilometer with the inscription "there was a procession here." Well, there was and was, well, why should these crosses be sculpted everywhere?
            It’s just that when you go and see nature and your mood constantly kills the next cross. For what it is everywhere. I don’t mind, but precisely because crosses and temples flicker constantly where it is precisely then you get the feeling that it’s for you specifically impose everything.
            1. FlyEngine
              FlyEngine 13 February 2016 13: 24
              +1
              Mdya
              You are no longer small to impose something on you. This is nonsense. How can a different point of view be imposed on an adult? AS?
              You, apparently, were not in Europe, there are also temples on every corner, and no one complains for some reason. In Prague, in every district there is a church, for example, in the center of them in general to the heap.
              And how do you know how many people go to church if you don’t go there? Do you even know that prayers are held early in the morning while you are sleeping / working / going to work?
              Here I am an atheist, complete and unquestioning, but churches, and even mosques and datsans, do not interfere with me at all, by any means. Because I'm not a child.
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              2. would
                would 14 February 2016 12: 57
                +1
                . How can a different point of view be imposed on an adult? AS?


                Legislatively making it unified and for renouncing it, make a severe punishment. It is very difficult to defend your point of view when your head is cut off for this (well, purely as an example). It's like now discussing issues of faith with fanatics who will just write a statement about "insulting the feelings of believers", while they themselves will initiate a discussion, will do anything to be offended.

                You are apparently in Europe


                Stop stop. Let's decide. Or Europe is a geyropa, Sodom and Gomorrah, a bastion of liberalism and hell on Earth in general. Or it is a beautiful, much more developed country with which the Russian Federation should take an example of what you actually offer referring to it. And then something interesting happens with a number of comrades: Geyropa is Sodom and Gomorrah, but just a little so immediately give it an example.

                by no means, temples in general do not interfere, and even mosques and datsans


                And this is a merit of the secular state. Just because in such a state it is impossible to put the church complex in a small courtyard and do not care about the opinion of the inhabitants. Although secularism disappears and here the law on the observance of silence at night appears in the mosque. So they scream from the loud speakers of chants and not only in the afternoon or even in the morning. A mosque does not care about the opinion of residents who want to sleep. Then there was a well-known peat business in the framework of which many interesting facts were revealed ...
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 10: 55
          +4
          Quote: Darkness
          Why are you lying? Or is it a special feature of the Orthodox?
          The Russian Orthodox Church no longer creeps into schools, universities, kindergartens, the army, etc.?

          Go to Europe, there will be a kaif. There you just close the temples, remove the crosses. You will breathe deeply.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 19
            -1
            Give advice to your dad, if you have one.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 11: 58
              +1
              Quote: Darkness
              Give advice to your dad, if you have one.

              I didn’t like it, well, go to the USA. In each topic it only aches.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 12: 06
                +1
                With advice - to your dad.
        3. oxana_iv
          oxana_iv 13 February 2016 14: 22
          +3
          Quote: Darkness

          The Russian Orthodox Church no longer creeps into schools, universities, kindergartens, the army, etc.?
          Are more or less advantageous places not being built up with their "temples within walking distance"?


          Moreover, it dictates what exhibitions, performances, books and so on should be like. And if something goes wrong - immediately "an insult to the feelings of believers!" Has the excise-free trade in vodka and tobacco never offended the feelings of believers?
          But the fact that in the universities of the department of philosophy are renamed into the department of theology is this not a struggle with secular knowledge?
          It seems that the article of the Constitution on freedom of conscience is interpreted quite one-sidedly - as permission for believers to establish their own rules (the 21st century in the yard !!!!!).
          One joy, there are fewer and fewer believers among young people. And the imposition of religion in schools only strengthens the resistance of children's brains to the violent introduction of the so-called "morality")))
        4. Stanislas
          Stanislas 13 February 2016 19: 25
          +1
          Quote: Darkness
          more or less profitable places?
          Are you a business clerk and you have missed some profit? Where does the hatred such as that of Bobik from the gateway, right up to the shake you have for the Orthodox? Neither the university nor the Russian Orthodox Church goes without an invitation, but the Orthodox - to the university, if it does, to the army, as they call.
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 43
            0
            You have a sick imagination.
            I have no hatred. Only curiosity and healthy cynicism
    3. hrapon
      hrapon 13 February 2016 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Darkness
      If the Russian Orthodox Church had not climbed into secular life, no one would have paid any attention to it.


      So we waited for the "voice from the Dark" ....
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 10: 56
        +1
        Quote: hrapon

        So we waited for the "voice from the Dark" ....

        He is in every religious topic, leaves his mark.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 13 February 2016 11: 43
          +3
          Meet two "irreconcilable" rivals could only make something extraordinary, extraordinary. And these "memoranda" "on the oppression of Christians" are no more than a screen for covering up the true purpose of the meeting of the two heads of churches. So, what happened in the world, for the sake of which two centuries of warring churches met? What happened is this: just recently the Jewish kogal announced the birth of the "Moshiach" and they already know who he is and where he is. But "Moshiach" he is for the Jews, for the Christian Church it is "Antichrist". Probably everyone here has already noticed that the world is heading into the abyss of a world catastrophe - to the third world war. Everyone has probably already noticed that many politicians in the West behave like crazy, as if they have "turned off" the sense of self-preservation, "logic" and "reason"? And this is not casual - these are the signs and consequences of the "Antichrist" who has come to our world. It was this extraordinary event that caused the meeting of the patriarchs of the two churches - and everything else - "cover, smoke and tinsel for the inhabitants."
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 14 February 2016 08: 11
            0
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            announced the birth of "Moshiach"

            Not childishly intrigued .. throw a link, really, really
        2. oxana_iv
          oxana_iv 13 February 2016 14: 32
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: hrapon

          So we waited for the "voice from the Dark" ....

          He is in every religious topic, leaves his mark.


          And I will join the Darkness. Modern atheists, by the way, are distinguished by their rare tolerance and accuracy, because wherever you step, everywhere the sick corn of the believer turns out to be! But in the opposite direction no tolerance is observed.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 13 February 2016 15: 00
            0
            Quote: oxana_iv And I will join the Darkness. Modern atheists, by the way, are distinguished by their rare tolerance and accuracy, because wherever you step, everywhere the sick corn of the believer turns out to be! But in the opposite direction no tolerance is observed.

            Join now.
            In fact, there are many of you. Pussy Riot, "St. Petersburg artist Pyotr Pavlensky with a nail nailed his scrotum to the stone blocks of Red Square in Moscow", "director Timofey Kulyabin brought the opera to our days. In the director's version, Jesus Christ became the hero of an erotic film."
            Join now.
            "For those looking into the abyss. The abyss also looks into you." Friedrich Nietzsche. As they write, before looked at the end of life.
            1. oxana_iv
              oxana_iv 13 February 2016 16: 36
              +1
              Quote: avva2012

              In fact, there are many of you. Pussy Riot, "Petersburg artist Pyotr Pavlensky with a nail nailed his scrotum to the stone blocks of Red Square in Moscow"


              Well, a good illustration! If a person is an atheist, they’ll immediately send him a scrotum to kill Red Square laughing
              And what is such a great morality among believers, if they need instructions from above in order to “not kill,” “not steal,” “not commit adultery? Respect for people is not developed without 10 commandments? (Although, it is not worked out with the commandments, as you can see.)
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 13 February 2016 16: 56
                +1
                Quote: oxana_iv If a person is an atheist, they’ll immediately send him a scrotum to kill Red Square

                Aha, "the evil NKVD is sending", to nail. If you forgot, I remind you.
                In fact, alas, sometimes connoisseurs of scrotums, girls under 15 "-", etc., hide behind atheism. public. Atheism, as a faith, is worthy of respect (if it is faith, of course).
                And what kind of great morality do believers have if they need instructions from above in order to “not kill,” “not steal,” “not commit adultery?

                I will tell you a terrible secret. People, from animals, differ only for the worse. Unfortunately, few people manage to remain human without God in their souls.
                1. oxana_iv
                  oxana_iv 13 February 2016 17: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: avva2012
                  ... Atheism, like faith, is worthy of respect (if it is faith of course) ...


                  I know another secret: atheism is not faith, it is belief.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 13 February 2016 17: 30
                    -2
                    Quote: oxana_iv I know another secret: atheism is not faith, it is belief.

                    Here, for beliefs and nails, they easily enter paving stones. And, rabies, you can show in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
                    One thing is embarrassing, if such beliefs, then why not in the mosque?
                    Yes, and why? Convince yourself every day that you are mortal, and suddenly. Do good out of convictions, prove to believers that without faith, but out of convictions, you can work in hospices and in psycho-neurological boarding schools for free. Why make God "the hero of an erotic film?"
                    Weak, daughter of man?
                    1. oxana_iv
                      oxana_iv 13 February 2016 18: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Quote: oxana_iv I know another secret: atheism is not faith, it is belief.

                      Here, for beliefs and nails, they easily enter paving stones. And, rabies, you can show in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
                      One thing is embarrassing, if such beliefs, then why not in the mosque?
                      Yes, and why? Convince yourself every day that you are mortal, and suddenly. Do good out of convictions, prove to believers that without faith, but out of convictions, you can work in hospices and in psycho-neurological boarding schools for free. Why make God "the hero of an erotic film?"
                      Weak, daughter of man?


                      Honestly, I don’t know why to make God a hero of an erotic film. And nailing the scrotum does not cause any approval either. But for you, it seems, there are only two categories of people: 1) believers and 2) fans of Pusek and Pavlensky.
                      I could just as easily accuse every believer of planting Christianity with "the cross and the sword," but mind you, I don't.
                      And as for free work, it is better to address your appeal to the priests who drive Lexus cars and build themselves three-story mansions. And I am fully determined with my task of "bringing good to the world" even without religion.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 13 February 2016 19: 33
                      +1
                      If they had decided, then with their views on "priests on Lexus" on the forum, did not come out. I did not speak about "bringing goodness to the world". IMHO, man, this is a beast. He can dress up as a director who comes up with his own "special" view of the world. But without a spiritual component, he remains impotent. And, sometimes, even worse, it becomes, an obvious beast. Unleash.
                      And, at the expense of free work, while only Christians, it is not strange. No others. If you don’t save dogs ...
                    3. oxana_iv
                      oxana_iv 13 February 2016 21: 10
                      0
                      Quote: avva2012
                      If they had decided, then with their views on "priests on Lexus" on the forum, did not come out. I did not speak about "bringing goodness to the world". IMHO, man, this is a beast. He can dress up as a director who comes up with his own "special" view of the world. But without a spiritual component, he remains impotent. And, sometimes, even worse, it becomes, an obvious beast. Unleash.
                      And, at the expense of free work, while only Christians, it is not strange. No others. If you don’t save dogs ...


                      Amen.
                2. Darkness
                  Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 47
                  +3
                  Why do you believers need to prove something? You have faith, you still do not heed logical reasoning.
                3. avva2012
                  avva2012 13 February 2016 19: 36
                  0
                  U, your last name is not Plutarch or Aristotle with Seneca, by any chance? Share, a storehouse of logic. Well, at least not a lot.
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 13 February 2016 19: 15
              -2
              oxana_iv: But I’ll tell you another secret: atheism is an anachronism, it is obscurantism (in the literal sense), atheists will soon (such times will come) -will be caught, not from us (yet), but from them (started). will, they started. So do not say nonsense (about beliefs)
              Your comment was left unrated.
              1. oxana_iv
                oxana_iv 13 February 2016 20: 59
                +2
                Quote: bober1982
                oxana_iv: But I’ll tell you another secret: atheism is an anachronism, it is obscurantism (in the literal sense), atheists will soon (such times will come) -will be caught, not from us (yet), but from them (started). will, they started. So do not say nonsense (about beliefs)
                Your comment was left unrated.



                Well sorry, I just can't help it! Either the Military Review website, or Zadornov's concert! That's how I see people in robes knocking on my door and starting to catch me, an obscurantist, and digitalize, digitize ... laughing laughing laughing
              2. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 44
                +2
                Obscurantism on the march, what ....
              3. bober1982
                bober1982 14 February 2016 09: 22
                0
                Oksana, you didn’t understand anything (it’s a secret!), But I will slightly open the curtain of a terrible secret: you and I will be caught and digitized by a couple, and not people in cassocks at all. And completely different people, such and on this site enough.
                There was Bonapartism, socialism, capitalism, atheism, fascism, communism — all this, dear Oksana, is an anachronism. And all this is replaced by Satanism. They will cover everyone, they have already covered us in the unfortunate West, we rest as much as we can.
              4. AdekvatNICK
                AdekvatNICK 14 February 2016 15: 58
                0
                Oksana, have you noticed how many mentally ill people are here? ))) carefully, they will digitize us soon))))
        3. Darkness
          Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 14
          0
          Here I am wondering, outright lies and distortion is a feature of all Orthodox? Like fierce and undisguised hatred of dissidents?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 13 February 2016 18: 55
            +1
            Dissent, make believers feel ashamed. And then some of you are mainly fighting for animal rights. For the prohibition of foie gras. Weak-minded old people and slobbering id-s are not for you. "Natural selection", humanism, right?
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 14 February 2016 08: 18
              +3
              Quote: avva2012
              Dissent, make believers feel ashamed. And then some of you are mainly fighting for animal rights. For the prohibition of foie gras. Weak-minded old people and slobbering id-s are not for you. "Natural selection", humanism, right?

              Well, they take "dissidents" by virtue of their knowledge and experience, they treat people, and churchgoers hope for God that he, for example, will save them from an attack of appendicitis, or when the heart is pressed, after all, they do not crawl to church, but call an ambulance
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 14 February 2016 15: 38
              -1
              Quote: sa-ag Well, they take "dissidents" because of their knowledge and experience treat people,

              Do you think that I am the only doctor who believes in God? Or, do you have = stands between mind and dissent? And, the others, alas, are not capable, even to reach your level?
              or when the heart is pressed after all, they’re not crawling into the church, but they are calling

              I applaud standing.
              "On a carpet-helicopter
              Past the rainbow.
              We are flying and you are crawling
              You eccentrics, you are eccentrics. "And people like you sometimes go by ambulance. So, in some circumstances, it is better to go to church.
      2. Rivares
        Rivares 14 February 2016 03: 55
        +1
        Quote: avva2012
        Unfortunately, few people manage to remain human without God in their souls.

        Those. of those small who succeeds equal to God? Bogo.ulnoe statement)))
  • Stanislas
    Stanislas 13 February 2016 21: 01
    0
    Quote: oxana_iv
    And I will join the Darkness.

    Quote: avva2012
    Join now.

    And laughter, and sin ...
  • Stanislas
    Stanislas 13 February 2016 19: 39
    +1
    Quote: oxana_iv
    Modern atheists, by the way, are notable for their rare tolerance and accuracy.
    Well, here in the comments of an atheist nicknamed the Gloom, with such oppression of the Church, foam already appears on the avatar from tolerance, and here they are with their partner, who carefully and daily believers pour mud on them.
    1. oxana_iv
      oxana_iv 13 February 2016 21: 06
      +2
      Quote: Stanislav
      Quote: oxana_iv
      Modern atheists, by the way, are notable for their rare tolerance and accuracy.
      Well, here in the comments of an atheist nicknamed the Gloom, with such oppression of the Church, foam already appears on the avatar from tolerance, and here they are with their partner, who carefully and daily believers pour mud on them.


      So far the opposite is noticeable. Atheists call only to comply with the Constitution, but believers have already sent atheists to beat eggs in Red Square and work for free laughing Yes, and they promise to digitize good
      American-style democracy and freedom of speech hi
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 45
        +2
        Orthodox Sharia.
        1. hrapon
          hrapon 14 February 2016 10: 09
          +1
          Quote: Darkness
          Orthodox Sharia.

          Quote: oxana_iv
          Quote: Stanislav
          Quote: oxana_iv
          Modern atheists, by the way, are notable for their rare tolerance and accuracy.
          Well, here in the comments of an atheist nicknamed the Gloom, with such oppression of the Church, foam already appears on the avatar from tolerance, and here they are with their partner, who carefully and daily believers pour mud on them.


          So far the opposite is noticeable. Atheists call only to comply with the Constitution, but believers have already sent atheists to beat eggs in Red Square and work for free laughing Yes, and they promise to digitize good
          American-style democracy and freedom of speech hi



          I didn't have enough time yesterday, but today I read the opuses of these two "fiery fighters" for constitutional rights and shed tears: it must be what enthusiasm, what perseverance and pressure. And all for what, to report "Orthodox oppression"?

          Gentlemen, do you not dream of ringing bells in the morning? Or maybe the smell of incense doesn't let you breathe freely? Go to the Butovo training ground. Can atheistic seizures be removed by hand?
        2. hrapon
          hrapon 14 February 2016 10: 18
          +1
          Quote: Darkness
          Orthodox Sharia.


          Gloom, you probably wanted to write "Orthodox jihad"? And in fact it turned out "atheistic Satanism".
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 14 February 2016 12: 42
          0
          Quote: Darkness
          Orthodox Sharia.

          You are not ready for spiritual bonds ...))))
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 14 February 2016 15: 46
        -1
        Quote: oxana_iv Atheists call only to comply with the Constitution, but believers have already sent atheists to beat eggs in Red Square and work for free

        And, the Constitution, for you, is Konstantin’s wife? fellow Or Genesis of a new format?
        Personally, I don’t remember that believers sent them to nail their scrotum (not eggs! Be you a man, then you realized that it wouldn’t be possible to nail this) to Red Square. Themselves, without external influence, nail. And, the last part, in general, everything about you says: "work, no, just not this!".
  • andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 13 February 2016 12: 27
    0
    The betrayal of the Russian Orthodox Church (until 1943 it was called the Greek-Catholic Orthodox Church)
    Olga Chetverikova. "The Russian Church and the Vatican Trap"
    1. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 13 February 2016 14: 44
      -1
      Quote: andrei.yandex
      Olga Chetverikova. "The Russian Church and the Vatican Trap"

      Nonsense. All are straight lambs. All are led to slaughter.
      She wants to say that the Russian Orthodox Church all half-moon agreed. He sees nothing around; they can’t forgive anything. She is a smart one who sees and knows everything.
      1. andrei.yandex
        andrei.yandex 13 February 2016 18: 20
        -1
        Unlike you, she is a professional in her field, with a degree and teaching at MGIMO. You have the same replicas. What you can brag about.
        1. Heinrich ruppert
          Heinrich ruppert 13 February 2016 19: 36
          0
          Quote: andrei.yandex
          Unlike you, she is a professional in her field, with a degree and teaching at MGIMO

          God forbid from such professionals, the more teachers. And after that, there is no wonder where the victims of the exam come from. Unable to think that chio seems all against them. Paranoid.
          Quote: andrei.yandex
          You have the same replicas

          You have never experienced the expression "brevity is the sister of talent" If you can't understand the meaning of a short phrase, then you are the same victim of the exam. I am not at all surprised, I can only sympathize with you.
          Quote: andrei.yandex
          What you can brag about.

          To brag is actually the worst thing a person can do. Do business and do something, when you get the job, then you can ask me what I did. In the meantime, you are empty-handed.
          1. andrei.yandex
            andrei.yandex 14 February 2016 07: 34
            0
            Learn the subject of Logic, which was taught under Comrade Stalin. And yet my ancestors were not wild and uneducated, as stated by Patriarch Kirill.
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 14 February 2016 08: 22
              +1
              Quote: andrei.yandex
              subject Logic, which was taught under Comrade Stalin.

              this subject appeared long before Comrade Stalin, very much when there was no Orthodoxy even, and the Olympic gods were worshiped
  • Voice of the Mind
    Voice of the Mind 13 February 2016 15: 26
    0
    Quote: Ural
    No wonder all kinds of liberalists and their masters howl at the Russian Orthodox Church from anger!

    The church is a human institution. And it does not apply to faith as such. The faith of both Catholics and Orthodox is Christian. The whole question is in some rites and who is in charge in the church of the Pope or Ecumenical Patriarch.
    Personally, I have 2 complaints against the Russian Orthodox Church - traders in the church and, accordingly, the price list for services, and the second is that the house of God is always open for the afflicted, at any time, day or night.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 February 2016 08: 35
    +9
    We are not rivals, but brothers: we must proceed from this understanding in all our actions in relation to each other and to the outside world.


    Hundreds of years to determine that "not rivals"! But, apparently, better later than never. Yes, God!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 February 2016 08: 46
      +8
      08.35. Perhaps there is another question. In radical Islam. If you want to live, you’re not getting so bored. There are more comments from 08.36. and 08.38.
  • excomandante
    excomandante 13 February 2016 08: 36
    0
    The benefits are doubtful, but harm is possible (c). Now in our society (well, or in its most part) liberals and narrow-minded journalists have cultivated a pathological, already some kind of bestial hatred of the Russian Church. Against this background, a meeting with an amateur daddy of peddlers will hardly add authority to our Patriarch. Dad understands, for a long time to spit. Although international assistance to Christians is a good thing. By the way, in India, thousands and tens of thousands of Christians are slaughtered with great enthusiasm, the Gujarat massacre alone is worth it, in terms of the number of “simply” killed and tortured Christians, the Hindus surpassed the Daeshaks, but they somehow modestly keep silent about India. I wonder why...
    1. Urals
      Urals 13 February 2016 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: excomandante
      The benefit is doubtful, but the harm is possible (s)

      I agree with you in principle, but still you need to make contact, somehow agree ... After all, the truth smells of war in the world (the most terrible, religious ..) But we Russians are able to negotiate and get along with people of different faiths! God bless Russia!
      1. valera
        valera 13 February 2016 08: 57
        0
        Quote: Ural
        I agree with you in principle, but still you need to make contact, such as agree

        When the Catholics in the 13th century destroyed our ancestors with the blessing of the pantik, there was no question of some kind of agreements or talk. They went and beat, but here you see the point played to the faithful, they wanted to meet.
        1. Urals
          Urals 13 February 2016 09: 07
          +3
          Quote: Valera
          Quote: Ural
          I agree with you in principle, but still you need to make contact, such as agree

          When the Catholics in the 13th century destroyed our ancestors with the blessing of the pantik, there was no question of some kind of agreements or talk. They went and beat, but here you see the point played to the faithful, they wanted to meet.

          Russia's fate is such a see ... We do not remember evil and know how to fight for Truth, Faith, Fatherland!
          1. valera
            valera 13 February 2016 09: 10
            +2
            Quote: Ural
            .We do not remember evil

            Well, fools.
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 13 February 2016 09: 28
              +4
              Quote: Valera
              Well, fools

              You are Valera, got upset.
              1. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 09: 32
                +2
                Quote: Kaiten
                Quote: Valera
                Well, fools

                You are Valera, got upset.

                Don’t say stupid things. The bazaars about the Russian forgiveness have simply fussed. Our people don’t want to learn from their own mistakes.
                1. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 13 February 2016 09: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Valera

                  Don’t say stupid things. The bazaars about the Russian forgiveness have simply fussed. Our people don’t want to learn from their own mistakes.

                  For Jews, this is called cruelty and vindictiveness.
                  1. valera
                    valera 13 February 2016 09: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Kaiten
                    For Jews, this is called cruelty and vindictiveness.

                    Spit as they say, the main thing that would be.
                    1. Darkness
                      Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 41
                      +1
                      Any evil must be punished. Avenged.
                    2. Kaiten
                      Kaiten 13 February 2016 09: 55
                      +4
                      Quote: Valera
                      Spit as they say, the main thing that would be.

                      Cuba is an interesting place. The main political moments of the century do not occur in the nearby United States, but there. The Caribbean crisis, the Castro revolution, the only more or less successful in the West. hemispheres, a meeting of two religious leaders. Straight intersection of world lines. No wonder the United States holds a huge base there, controls this intersection.
                      1. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 09: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Cuba is an interesting place. The main political moments of the century do not occur in the nearby United States, but there.

                        All the same, the meeting was held on the territory of a country professing Catholicism. It was necessary to score a arrow on a desert island, preferably on one that is not under anyone's jurisdiction.
                      2. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 06
                        +3
                        Quote: Valera

                        Anyway, the meeting was held on the territory of the country professing Catholicism.

                        In Alaska, Orthodoxy is a regular religion of this state.
                      3. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 10: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        In Alaska you can

                        In Antarctica you can.
                      4. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera

                        In Antarctica you can.

                        In Antarctica, black and white penguins create unnecessary associations about one religion. And the two Christian leaders will have a logical question: "what are we baptized among these women doing?"
                      5. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 10: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        In Antarctica, black and white penguins create unnecessary associations about one religion. And the two Christian leaders will have a natural question: “what are we baptized among these women doing?

                        At them at the time of the summit.
                      6. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 11: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Valera
                        At them at the time of the summit.

                        Yeah, Jews in the oven, penguins in the sea.
                        You are going to arrange a penguin genocide, you already have few Jews ...
                      7. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 11: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Yeah, Jews in the oven, penguins in the sea. You were going to arrange a penguin genocide, you already have few Jews ...

                        Water is their natural habitat, darling.
                        Unfortunately, the Arabs will still burn the Jews. Honestly, I’m very upset if it affects you.
                      8. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 11: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera
                        Water is their natural habitat


                        It’s violence anyway. Arabs have a natural habitat for the Arabian deserts, so what do you suggest we do, judging by your logic?
                        Quote: Valera

                        honey.

                        Communication with Vatnik was not in vain for you ... It was he who taught you these "metrosexual" appeals.

                        Quote: Valera

                        Unfortunately, the Arabs will still burn the Jews. Honestly, I’m very upset if it affects you.

                        I can imagine this mourning for Jews in general and for me in particular. As in that song: "They buried the mother-in-law, from happiness, they broke two boyans."
                      9. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 11: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        It’s violence anyway. Arabs have a natural habitat for the Arabian deserts, so what do you suggest we do, judging by your logic?

                        Can you?
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Communication with Vatnik was not in vain for you ... It was he who taught you these "metrosexual" appeals.

                        Actually, a long time ago, in a film, I heard some how an old Jew addresses absolutely everyone in spite of gender differences. By the way, I called many of your assets that way, almost from the very beginning.
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        I can imagine this mourning for Jews in general and for me in particular. As in that song: "They buried the mother-in-law, from happiness, they broke two boyans."

                        You don’t believe in vain. Although you tend to glow.
                      10. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 12: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera
                        Can you?

                        With the current Israeli elite, no. Many of these modern Israeli politicians who studied in Europe agree that they will be overpowered in the Arabian deserts, if only in Europe they would not say that Israel is using excessive force.
                        Quote: Valera
                        Actually, a long time ago, in a film, I heard some how an old Jew addresses absolutely everyone in spite of gender differences. By the way, I addressed many of your assets like that, almost from the very beginning.

                        The fact that some Jew was once said by some Jew is hardly a strong argument.

                        Quote: Valera
                        You don’t believe in vain. Although you tend to glow.

                        In general, I am the root cause of all Russian ills, nationality obliges, so to speak.
                      11. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 12: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        With the current Israeli elite, no.

                        Conversation in a candy store:
                        -Do you have a Netanyahu cake?
                        -I have not heard of this.
                        - Well, it's like Napoleon ... only without eggs.
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        The fact that some Jew was once said by some Jew is hardly a strong argument.

                        Do not lower the fellow tribesman.
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        In general, I am the root cause of all Russian ills, nationality obliges, so to speak.

                        No, you're funny. It's a pity if you are cremated forcibly.
                      12. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 13: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera
                        Conversation in a candy store:
                        -Do you have a Netanyahu cake?
                        -I have not heard of this.
                        - Well, it's like Napoleon ... only without eggs.

                        The problem is not that Natanyahu is bad, but that other politicians are an order of magnitude worse than him. However, Palestinian leaders generally can hardly be called politicians. On the one hand, Arafat’s former assistant (count as your Medvedev), helpless and without authority, on the other hand, a fascist mullah whose ideology is almost no different from DAISH.
                      13. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 14: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        The problem is not that Natanyahu is bad, but that other politicians are an order of magnitude worse than him. However, Palestinian leaders generally can hardly be called politicians. On the one hand, Arafat’s former assistant (count as your Medvedev), helpless and without authority, on the other hand, a fascist mullah whose ideology is almost no different from DAISH.

                        Move Mr. Kedmi to the king.
                      14. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 15: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera
                        Move Mr. Kedmi to the king.

                        Boriska to the kingdom?
                        His level is the director of a small town store, but no more.
                      15. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 15: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Quote: Valera
                        Move Mr. Kedmi to the king.

                        Boriska to the kingdom?
                        His level is the director of a small town store, but no more.

                        Himself then blow into the premiere. Here it will be interesting. Let’s see how many weeks you will need to calm down the militant neighboring Muslims.
                        P / S. I'll drink brandy right now, don’t go far.
                      16. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 15: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera
                        Himself then blow into the premiere. Here it will be interesting. Let’s see how many weeks you will need to calm down the militant neighboring Muslims.

                        We have recently started a bad trend. Presidents allegedly planted for rape, and prime ministers for allegedly embezzlement ... Better I stay in my place.
                        Quote: Valera
                        I'll drink brandy right now, don’t go far.

                        Le haim.
                      17. avva2012
                        avva2012 13 February 2016 15: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Valera
                        I'll drink brandy right now, don’t go far.
                        Quote: Kaiten Le haim.

                      18. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 15: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        We have recently started a bad trend. Presidents allegedly planted for rape, and prime ministers for allegedly embezzlement ... Better I stay in my place.

                        In, your soul is not clean.
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Le haim.

                        Normally. 4 knocked over the glasses. Tolley case atalef in the Golan with itself 6 bubbles takes a bitter.
                        The banshee, as in the good old days, fines me, and you wrote only one. Of course, this is all by accident.
                        Tell me, did I incite ethnic hatred?
                      19. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Valera
                        Tell me, did I incite ethnic hatred?

                        A little bit
                      20. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 16: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Quote: Valera
                        Tell me, did I incite ethnic hatred?

                        A little bit

                        It’s not true. I’m a good man. I, however, have become local Jews as relatives in 2 years.
                      21. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Valera
                        Not true. I'm a good man.

                        Centurion Krysoboy was also a kind person ... (I hope you read Bulgakov)
                      22. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 16: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Centurion Krysoboy was also a kind person ... (I hope you read Bulgakov)

                        I read, but I'm not a fan of classical literature.
                    3. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 13 February 2016 16: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Valera
                      I am a good person.

                      Naturally.
                      Jews you "inform" about Russians Russians you "inform" about Jews as they say - "mnogostanochnik" lol
                    4. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 16: 24
                      0
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Naturally.
                      Jews you "inform" about Russians Russians you "inform" about Jews as they say - "mnogostanochnik"

                      Finally I got in touch, otherwise I thought you were offended by me and don’t want to talk.
                    5. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 13 February 2016 16: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: Valera
                      Finally I got in touch, otherwise I thought you were offended by me

                      Offended by you? belay
                      Yes, I suspected for a long time that you are working on "two fronts" although this is your own business, various kinds of "radio operators" have always been.
                    6. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 16: 35
                      0
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      Offended by you?
                      Yes, I have long suspected that you are working on "two fronts"

                      Anything can be suspected. And the other day, you have all the time admitted that you are working as a snitch. Do you even imagine that decent Kichi prisoners would have done with you for cooperation with the godfather?
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna 13 February 2016 09: 41
    0
    Yes, do not forgive. It is necessary as Trotsky.
    1. valera
      valera 13 February 2016 09: 47
      0
      Quote: Chisain
      Yes, do not forgive. It is necessary as Trotsky.

      Quote: Darkness
      Any evil must be punished. Avenged.

      Here, here, here. It is advisable for the children to hammer this into the head from birth. And then they hit on the cheek, substitute the second-complete nonsense.
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 13 February 2016 09: 53
        0
        If with all who shit on the Russian land. Do as with Trotsky. That is the number of one "people"
        will plummet.
        1. valera
          valera 13 February 2016 10: 40
          -2
          Quote: Chisain
          If with all who shit on the Russian land. Do as with Trotsky. That is the number of one "people"
          will plummet.

          It will not fall, because there is a return flow from the historical homeland: a padded jacket, pimpled and also there are guys.
      2. hrapon
        hrapon 13 February 2016 10: 25
        +1
        Quote: Valera
        Quote: Chisain
        Yes, do not forgive. It is necessary as Trotsky.

        Quote: Darkness
        Any evil must be punished. Avenged.

        Here, here, here. It is advisable for the children to hammer this into the head from birth. And then they hit on the cheek, substitute the second-complete nonsense.


        Valery, why so many words? Your life credo can be formulated briefly - "Save by expectation" (this is almost according to Leskov), and Fyodor Mikhailovich has: "Am I trembling or have the right?"

        Admin: Friends, you already ban classics?
        1. valera
          valera 13 February 2016 10: 36
          -2
          Quote: hrapon
          Your life credo can be formulated briefly - "Save by expectation" (this is almost according to Leskov), and Fyodor Mikhailovich has: "Am I trembling or have the right?"

          Oho, love the classics. And your credo is Nabokov’s Lolita to be.
  • Urals
    Urals 13 February 2016 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: Valera
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: Valera
    Well, fools

    You are Valera, got upset.

    Don’t say stupid things. The bazaars about the Russian forgiveness have simply fussed. Our people don’t want to learn from their own mistakes.

    Valera, we can punish ... When necessary!
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      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 13
        -1
        Quote: Valera
        Abram and you know how to punish ... When necessary!

        Again empty threats .... You know that no one will come to me. They are afraid for some reason. But I'm not at all scary, I just know how to hide corpses well.
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        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 21
          0
          Quote: Chisain
          I’ll tell you the same thing. Come to me, I guarantee, we’ll go into the taiga together, and I will go out alone.

          Well, they gathered to punish me, so we are asking your favors in our Palestine. Shalom, on you, Aleichem ...
      2. valera
        valera 13 February 2016 10: 41
        0
        Quote: Kaiten
        You know that no one will come to me. They are afraid for some reason. But I'm not at all scary, I just know how to hide corpses well.

        Yes, and you do not burn with a desire in the taiga to go to Comrade Chisain.
      3. valera
        valera 13 February 2016 10: 51
        0
        Quote: Kaiten
        Again empty threats .... You know that no one will come to me. They are afraid for some reason. But I'm not at all scary, I just know how to hide corpses well.

        You learned how to dig holes with your Palestinian brothers.
  • valera
    valera 13 February 2016 10: 03
    +2
    Quote: Ural
    Valera, we can punish ... When necessary!

    Ugh, you ё-mayo, offended your old friend the Suicide bomber with a picture, inattentively looked who wrote. lol
    Yes, this shit was removed by the British, it’s understandable.
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Valera
      Ugh, you yo-mai, offended your old suicide bomber picture

      Don’t worry, you didn’t offend me. But we will remember the picture and, on occasion, recall.
      1. valera
        valera 13 February 2016 10: 21
        0
        Quote: Kaiten
        Don’t worry, you didn’t offend me. But we will remember the picture and, on occasion, recall.

        That's nice, I will publish it at the opportunity.
      2. Kaiten
        Kaiten 13 February 2016 10: 27
        +1
        Quote: Valera
        That's nice, I will publish it at the opportunity.

        And now, what took off? There are such funny Jews and such a comical crematorium ....
      3. valera
        valera 13 February 2016 10: 30
        -1
        Quote: Kaiten
        And now, what took off? There are such funny Jews and such a comical crematorium

        He’s out of place at the moment.
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  • Avantageur
    Avantageur 13 February 2016 16: 37
    -1
    Quote: excomandante
    The benefit is doubtful, but the harm is possible (s)

    If the churches do not unite now, then the "roller" of Islam will crush the weak fragile Christian world. To consolidate the directions of Christianity, it would also be necessary to destroy the remaining majestic, pagan monuments of the Middle East, which, in principle, the ISIS people began to do, according to someone's tacit kosher order ...


  • slovak
    slovak 13 February 2016 20: 27
    +1
    In Christianity | especially the pope | There is a principle - to hate sin, to love a sinner.
  • kagorta
    kagorta 13 February 2016 08: 38
    +5
    So the dad’s household is in decline. Except for Latin America, in essence, things are not very. If before they fought with us (Crusades), then there were diplomatic wars. And they had successes, for example, the Uniate Church in Western Ukraine. And now what to do ... Islam comes fighting, but the flock is not the same. It is necessary to save, it is better then to be friends with schismatics.
  • carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 13 February 2016 08: 40
    -1
    I still don’t understand why they met there. To state the well-known facts for a long time?
    1. valera
      valera 13 February 2016 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: carabiner sks
      I still don’t understand why they met there. To state the well-known facts for a long time?

      The pope wants to solve common Christian problems with the help of the Orthodox.
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 13 February 2016 08: 42
    +4
    This is what the Anlo-Saxons have been "soaked" !! A thousand years of hostility and confrontation, and here is a meeting. And what! A lesson to American pompous peacocks, and what a lesson! We must be able to negotiate!
  • surrozh
    surrozh 13 February 2016 08: 42
    +7
    They destroy Christians all over the planet with impunity, so they met. I will not be surprised if some "Christian special forces" appear soon, it is high time to be responsible for the destruction of churches and symbols of faith.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 10
      -1
      Take all the Muslims and Christians, especially fanatical, to take to an uninhabited island, so that normal people would not interfere.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 16
        +1
        Quote: Darkness
        Take all the Muslims and Christians, especially fanatical,

        And what have the Orthodox Jews forgotten? laughing Maybe you are one of them?
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 28
          0
          These themselves will die out.
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 13 February 2016 09: 48
            +4
            Darkness! Your statements are simply darkness.
            Why did believers get you so much?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 51
              +1
              Quote: Kos_kalinki9
              Darkness! Your statements are simply darkness.

              That's why he is "Darkness", because he represents the "Power of Darkness" am shrouded in darkness.
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 23
                -1
                Yeah. Personal representative of the Radiant.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 13 February 2016 13: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Gloom Yeah. Personal representative of the Radiant.

                  "Don't be dashing while it is quiet."
                  In vain you flaunt, in vain.
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 46
                    0
                    You would thank the Prince of this world. Indeed, it is only thanks to him that your Christianity exists.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 14 February 2016 08: 06
                      0
                      Words, not an atheist, but a satanist
                      If for you, he is a prince.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 14 February 2016 15: 18
                      0
                      You would thank the Prince of this world. Indeed, it is only thanks to him that your Christianity exists.

                      Satanist ?, however. So kiss your prince, you yourself know where. Christianity does not need to be touched.
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  • Valery 1966
    Valery 1966 13 February 2016 08: 43
    +8
    Woke up ... Where have you been for the last 10 years? Or at least a couple of years past, when in Ukraine churches were bombed and priests were beaten and killed? Jews would have long lifted high to the whole world for one synagogue. I am already silent about the genocide of the Slavs, both Ukrainians and Russians, by the Americans and the same Jews (Parasha, Kosa, Yaytsenyuh, Kolomoysha and other Jewish creatures) in Ukraine. And why don't Jews scream when their Jews kill people in Ukraine and commit genocide?
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 February 2016 08: 46
    +1
    All this is extremely touching ... Only:
    The current (from 1993) Constitution of Russia defines the Russian Federation as a secular state. The Constitution guarantees “freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, including the right to profess individually or jointly with others any religion or not to profess any, freely choose, have and disseminate religious and other beliefs and act in accordance with them.” Federal Law of September 26, 1997 No. 125-ФЗ “On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations” confirms “equality before the law regardless of attitude to religion and belief”.

    and in the world they attach greater historical significance to meetings of heads of state. And from the attitude of the Catholic Church towards mixed marriages, forgive me for the education I received, I made my conclusions about this ... and not only.

    Therefore, a meeting between the GDP and the US President in Havana on the existence of our civilization would have, in my opinion, greater historical significance.
    what
    1. Volodin
      13 February 2016 08: 58
      +5
      Quote: yuriy55
      Therefore, a meeting between the GDP and the US President in Havana on the existence of our civilization would have, in my opinion, greater historical significance.


      Today it is possible, but the presidents come and go, but Christianity remains (as if each of us individually did not belong to him), and therefore the fact of the meeting of the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church and the RCC is an event in itself, and a significant event.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 13 February 2016 09: 08
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        ... but Christianity remains


        Oh, what the right words !!! fellow And before that in Russia there was no writing, no gods ...

        It is very unfortunate, but the fact will remain a fact, and this meeting will not change anything in my life or in the life of citizens like me. And I see those who are baptized with the right hand, who hold the left with a fig in their pocket at every Orthodox holiday ...

        The news is positive, like the arrival of a warm spring, but do not ascribe to it significant historical significance ...
        By the way, about the minuses ... Please put ... And I will pay the Russian Defense Ministry a pension ... laughing same as before ... wink
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 13 February 2016 10: 34
          +3
          Are you engaged in pickpockets at church services? Not good. Otherwise, how do you know what people have in their pockets?
      2. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 20
        -1
        Christianity is dying. It either mutates into some new religion, or more powerful religions take its place.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 13 February 2016 09: 56
          +3
          Quote: Darkness
          Christianity is dying. It either mutates into some new religion, or more powerful religions take its place.

          Very interesting. And whose will you be ??? Of which such more powerful religions ?? Is it not one of those who sing prayers for guitars?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 25
            -1
            I AM? Atheist, of course. Sympathetic to resurgent paganism. We will see what happens.
            1. Kos_kalinki9
              Kos_kalinki9 13 February 2016 10: 38
              +4
              And will you revive the sacrifices, or look what comes of it?
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 54
                +1
                What for? Paganism is more flexible and adaptable to 21st century civilization. In addition, in modern paganism, bloody sacrifices are prohibited
                1. atalef
                  atalef 13 February 2016 11: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: Darkness
                  What for? Paganism is more flexible and adaptability to the civilization of the 21 century

                  I agree, Bacchanalia, Ivan Kupala - very suitable for the 21 century wink
                  1. Darkness
                    Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 20
                    +2
                    Happy holidays. What is the problem?
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 10: 58
              +5
              Quote: Darkness
              I AM? Atheist, of course. Sympathetic to resurgent paganism.

              Maybe a doctor?
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              2. RUSS
                RUSS 13 February 2016 11: 15
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Darkness
                I AM? Atheist, of course. Sympathetic to resurgent paganism.

                Maybe a doctor?

                It is better to send it to the Ukrainians, there, especially in western Ukraine, neo-paganism flourishes in full swing, something like "Runver"
                1. Darkness
                  Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 46
                  -2
                  I myself will figure out where I need to. Give advice to your dad.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 13 February 2016 13: 26
                    -1
                    Give advice to your dad.

                    Repetition, mother of teaching?
                  2. Maksus
                    Maksus 13 February 2016 14: 22
                    0
                    Come on, it’s useless to you already. Here only punitive psychiatry will help. Lips whose idol will you smear with blood? Immediately human or until the animal will fit?
                    1. activator
                      activator 13 February 2016 15: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: Maksus
                      Come on, it’s useless to you already. Here only punitive psychiatry will help. Lips whose idol will you smear with blood? Immediately human or until the animal will fit?

                      So the Lord also chose the sacrifice of Abel, and not Cain, although according to the Bible it is not clear he killed the sheep or brought them alive. Although there were many bloody victims in the future.
                      1. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: activator
                        the Lord also chose the sacrifice of Abel,

                        Abel was not sacrificed, he died as a result of a crime committed by his brother and which he tried to hide from Gd ("Not a watchman, I am my brother"). Killing a person cannot be a sacrifice to Gd. This is described in detail in the section "The Sacrifice of Yitzhak (Issak)".
                      2. activator
                        activator 13 February 2016 16: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Abel was not sacrificed, he died as a result of a crime committed by his brother and which he tried

                        So I didn’t say that Abel was sacrificed, but I said that between the sacrifices that Abel and Cain brought, the Lord chose the meat with the blood of Abel’s lambs, and not Cain’s vegetarian food
                      3. activator
                        activator 13 February 2016 17: 01
                        +1
                        After some time, Cain brought a gift from the fruits of the earth to the Lord,
                        Heb 11, 4
                        4 And Abel also brought from his first flocks and from their fat. And the Lord looked upon Abel and his gift,
                        Proverbs 15, 8 Is 1, 13
                        5 But he did not look at Cain and the gift. Cain was very upset, and his face dropped.
                        Cons gone And what I said is everything as it is written in the bible.
                      4. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 17: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: activator
                        So I didn’t say that Abel was sacrificed, but I said that between the sacrifices that Abel and Cain brought, the Lord chose the meat with the blood of Abel’s lambs, and not Cain’s vegetarian food

                        Because Abel made a sacrifice with pure thoughts, willingly to serve the Lord and obey his commandments, and Cain made a formal sacrifice, he already hated his brother, which is a sin, and thus tried to deceive Gd. Therefore, Gd did not accept his sacrifice. A formal sacrifice cannot be God-pleasing.
                      5. activator
                        activator 13 February 2016 17: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: Kaiten

                        Because Abel made a sacrifice with pure thoughts, willingly to serve the Lord and obey his commandments, and Cain made a formal sacrifice, he already hated his brother, which is a sin, and thus tried to deceive

                        It’s about the fact that Cain hated Abel before the sacrifice in the Bible, and was very upset after that, therefore, that you wrote this is just speculation. And you tried to deceive after the murder. It is written in the bible.

                        1
                        Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man from the Lord.
                        2
                        And she bore his brother Abel. And Abel was a shepherd of sheep, and Cain was a farmer.
                        3
                        After some time, Cain brought a gift from the fruits of the earth to the Lord,
                        4
                        and Abel also brought from his first flocks and from their fat. And the Lord looked upon Abel and his gift,
                        5
                        but he did not look at Cain and the gift. Cain was very upset, and his face dropped.
                        6
                        And the Lord said to Cain, Why are you upset? and why did your face go down?
                        7
                        if you do good, do you look up? and if you do not do good, then sin lies at the door; he draws you to him, but you rule over him.
                        8
                        And Cain said to Abel his brother. And when they were in the field, Cain rebelled against his brother Abel, and killed him.
                        9
                        And the Lord said to Cain: Where is Abel thy brother? He said: I do not know; Am I my brother's keeper?
                        10
                        And said: what have you done? the voice of your brother’s blood cries out to me from the earth;
                        Or can one understand from the text differently?
                      6. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 19: 36
                        0
                        Quote: activator

                        It’s about the fact that Cain hated Abel before the sacrifice in the Bible, and was very upset after that, therefore, that you wrote this is just speculation. And you tried to deceive after the murder. It is written in the bible.
                        1

                        You may not accept my point of view. I don’t know about you, Christians, but we are allowed to have our own judgment within certain limits. For me, in the words "sin lies at the door; it draws you to itself" just a hint of Cain's fratricidal hatred, although he has not yet committed murder. You do not have to share my point of view, I advise you to contact your spiritual mentor and get the necessary explanations from him.
                      7. activator
                        activator 13 February 2016 21: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        You may not accept my point of view. I don’t know about you, Christians, but we are allowed to have our own judgment within certain limits. For me in words "at the door

                        Yes, I actually didn’t see Cain Abel or NOT see it, but that Jehovah also accepted bloody sacrifices, although God created man as a vegetarian in his own image and how it turned out to be meat, and even victims with the killing of animals. The pagans did the same. And paganism does not deny the supreme God, but simply adds gods of a lower rank and Yahweh is not the most important one.
                      8. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 22: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: activator
                        Yes, I actually didn’t see Cain Abel or NOT see it, but that Jehovah also accepted bloody sacrifices, although God created man as a vegetarian in his own image and how it turned out to be meat, and even victims with the killing of animals. The pagans did the same. And paganism does not deny the supreme God, but simply adds gods of a lower rank and Yahweh is not the most important one.

                        You are not a Christian, are you?
                      9. activator
                        activator 13 February 2016 23: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        Quote: activator
                        Yes, I actually didn’t see Cain Abel or NOT see it, but that Jehovah also accepted bloody sacrifices, although God created man as a vegetarian in his own image and how it turned out to be meat, and even victims with the killing of animals. The pagans did the same. And paganism does not deny the supreme God, but simply adds gods of a lower rank and Yahweh is not the most important one.

                        You are not a Christian, are you?

                        In God, I believe in Jehovah, by the way, too, but I am the son of a communist and have not been baptized in infancy.
                      10. Rivares
                        Rivares 14 February 2016 04: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: activator
                        In God, I believe in Jehovah, by the way, too, but I am the son of a communist and have not been baptized in infancy.

                        At the end it was necessary to add "not everything is so simple")))
  • Pro100 people
    Pro100 people 13 February 2016 08: 54
    +3
    The meeting is certainly good, dialogue and all that, but it's pure diplomacy, everyone forgot about the religious aspects of the separation of churches. In fact, they are us, and we consider them heretics. The Vatican is a state with its financial, political, intelligence and other services in which the interests of many organizations aimed at world hegemony are tied. So if dad is very friendly he will be changed soon. But we hope for the best.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 13 February 2016 09: 11
      +1
      Quote: Pro100
      The Vatican is a state with its financial, political, intelligence, and other services on which the interests of many organizations aimed at world hegemony are tied.

      good You can’t say more, it’s better to a plus.
    2. Fat
      Fat 13 February 2016 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: Pro100
      The Vatican is a state with its financial, political, intelligence, and other services on which the interests of many organizations aimed at world hegemony are tied.

      The phrase of the head of the USSR, Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich. Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965) in his book "The Second World War" describes an episode when, before the start of World War II, in May 1935, French Foreign Minister Pierre Laval discussed Soviet-French relations with Stalin. During the conversation, he asked Stalin - "Could you encourage the spread of religion and Catholicism in Russia? It would help me so much with the Pope" (Can't you do something to encourage religion and the Catholics in Russia? It would help me so much with the Pope.).
      To this Stalin replied: - "Oh! Daddy" And how many divisions does he have? "(" Oho! "Said Stalin." The Pope! How many divisions has he got? ")
      True, Churchill further writes that he does not know what Laval answered, but that he could have mentioned several legions that cannot always be seen in the parade (Laval's answer was not reported to me; but he might certainly have mentioned a number of legions not always visible on parade.)
      About this comment Churchill few remember, but the phrase Stalin entered the history books.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 February 2016 08: 54
    +1
    We are not rivals, but brothers: from this understanding we must proceed in all our actions in relation to each other and to the outside world.

    If in the same United States they listened to their church, then maybe her word played a role. Given the fact that the West is increasingly moving away from the Christian faith, is increasingly violating established moral standards, hammering a new way of life, the meeting will have historical significance only at the inter-confessional level.
    1. Maksus
      Maksus 13 February 2016 14: 24
      +1
      There is no "own" church in the USA. Most of the states are Protestants, not Catholics. Don't be confused with South America.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 14 February 2016 04: 33
        0
        Quote: Maksus
        There is no "own" church in the USA.

        You are right pills)) But interestingly, well, they met and what ??? What will change besides the chatter of a duroscope ?? Everything went as it will and will go on even if they kiss in the gums in Havana ..
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 February 2016 04: 42
          +2
          You can see a Jew walking. laughing
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 13 February 2016 09: 04
    +2
    Not so simple. I remember Fr. John (he is no longer with us). "The Pope will come to the Russian land and ceremonially kiss her."

    I think it is no coincidence that a meeting not in Europe took place. Yes. The world is changing. Changing fast. But what good have we seen from Catholics? There are decent people, like everywhere else. But this is a system.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 February 2016 09: 05
    -3
    What states, that papa, are obsessed with the idea of ​​how to use Russians in their interests? And we need the legitimacy of our actions in the international arena, to restore authority at least at the USSR level.
    1. valera
      valera 13 February 2016 09: 09
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      What states, that papa, are obsessed with the idea of ​​how to use Russians in their interests?

      And then this is a discovery. With strange hands they want to carry chestnuts out of the fire. As always in general.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 February 2016 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And we need the legitimacy of our actions in the international arena, to restore authority at least at the USSR level.

      What?
  • Darkness
    Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 12
    +3
    Is this Mr. Gundyaev talking about "irrepressible consumption"?
    Aw, hypocrite ...
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 13 February 2016 09: 15
    +3
    The world is changing before our eyes. Organization created after VICTORY 1945 in the XX century. didn't bring peace to earth. Maybe this event somehow brings people together. Not everyone sold the soul to the devil ... I would like to believe.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 23
      +4
      In Russia, for example, so far only the Great Victory brings people together and unites. Where there is no Muslim, no atheist, no pagan, no Christian.
  • Dam
    Dam 13 February 2016 09: 18
    +4
    It seems really the end of the world is near
    1. valera
      valera 13 February 2016 09: 43
      0
      Quote: Damm
      It seems really the end of the world is near

      It's okay, if it is not preventable, then die with all the light, along with the Moses.
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 13 February 2016 15: 45
        0
        Quote: Valera

        It's okay, if it is not preventable, then die with all the light, along with the Moses

        Only the Court is different. And the punishment is different. You Hell is boilers and fire, and we have Sheol, something like Azkaban, without dementors. Although maybe you naively hope that you will not go to Hell.
        1. valera
          valera 13 February 2016 16: 06
          0
          Quote: Kaiten
          Only the Court is different. And the punishment is different. You Hell is boilers and fire, and we have Sheol, something like Azkaban, without dementors. Although maybe you naively hope that you will not go to Hell.

          Tales do not need to be told about the boilers of the garripotters. One horseradish will all fall to the ground or to the crematorium, as for me the second option is better.
          1. Kaiten
            Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 19
            0
            Quote: Valera
            Tales do not need to be told about the boilers of the garripotters. One horseradish will all fall to the ground or to the crematorium, as for me the second option is better.

            What about the soul?
            1. valera
              valera 13 February 2016 16: 23
              0
              Quote: Kaiten
              What about the soul?

              Nothing. I don’t believe in bullshit that after death the soul rushes about in agony. And you, at 40 years old, shouldn’t be so frivolous? to hammer a head.
              1. Kaiten
                Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 30
                +1
                Quote: Valera
                Nothing. I don’t believe in bullshit that after death the soul rushes about. And would you be 40 years old and not so frivolous? to hammer a head

                If you had Valera go into battle, under bullets for at least 15 minutes, you would have changed your priorities about what is serious in life and what is not.
                1. valera
                  valera 13 February 2016 16: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Kaiten
                  If you had Valera go into battle, under bullets for at least 15 minutes, you would have changed your priorities about what is serious in life and what is not.

                  What’s the soul here?
                  1. Kaiten
                    Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 46
                    0
                    Quote: Valera
                    What’s the soul here?

                    This is all a matter of faith, not logical evidence. I can’t prove it to you.
                    1. valera
                      valera 13 February 2016 16: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten
                      Quote: Valera
                      What’s the soul here?

                      This is all a matter of faith, not logical evidence. I can’t prove it to you.

                      Here it is not necessary. Better rejoice that from Dir El Balak he returned alive to his wife and daughters, thanks to his faith in the Jewish gods.
                      1. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 17: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Valera
                        Jewish gods.

                        Gd he is alone, Valera. And to you, in my opinion, he is sorely lacking. You are evil ... It is felt.
                      2. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 17: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        And to you, in my opinion, he is sorely lacking. You are evil ... It is felt.

                        Well, I have spermatoxicosis due to the absence of a wife, you yourself said this nonsense.
                      3. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 17: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Valera
                        Well, I have spermatoxicosis due to the absence of a wife, you yourself said this nonsense.

                        And you do not feel the connection between your bachelor life, atheism and the aggressive state of character?
                      4. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 17: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        And you do not feel the connection between your bachelor life, atheism and the aggressive state of character?

                        There is no connection here. I am completely satisfied with my life.
  • AleBors
    AleBors 13 February 2016 09: 24
    -3
    Actually .. Well, finally. Dad still thought that Christianity in Europe was doomed, and he came to negotiate with our Church. It’s clear that this is all a political game, but I can’t but rejoice at the fact that even dad was imbued with the fact that without Russia there is no way in the world ...
    I think that soon many Catholics will become Orthodox ... The missionary department of the Russian Orthodox Church does not eat bread for nothing ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 36
      +7
      Quote: AleBors
      I think that soon many Catholics will become Orthodox

      I think that soon many Catholics will become Muslims.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 09: 43
        +1
        And then you have to urgently look for a new ideology or religion to withstand the invasion of Islam.
        While on the horizon do not see anything.
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 13 February 2016 10: 23
          +2
          Quote: Darkness
          And then you have to urgently look for a new ideology or religion to withstand the invasion of Islam.
          While on the horizon do not see anything.

          Do you generally know that religions coexist quite peacefully together on the same territory, as an example, Russia? Now there is no invasion of Islam, there is its spread, but this is normal taking into account how many migrants have entered Europe and plus the fact that the same French are converting to Islam in hundreds (“The Church in France faced a new problem: the conversion of young Christians to Islam,” said the representative of the bishopric of France on relations with Islam, father Christophe Roucoux.) and why should Islam even be opposed, new religious wars?
          1. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 40
            +3
            They coexist peacefully on the same territory if the attitude of the state towards all religions is the same. As it was in the USSR.
            As soon as the state begins to flirt with one religion - wait for trouble.
  • Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 13 February 2016 09: 37
    -3
    Another Gorbachevschina. And our father is a Cossack mishandled. They were crucified before Europe, already the Warsaw Treaty was dissolved, and where is NATO now?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 09: 46
      0
      Quote: Viktor fm
      Another Gorbachevschina. And our father is a Cossack mishandled. They were crucified before Europe, already the Warsaw Treaty was dissolved, and where is NATO now?

      It started ...
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    3. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 13 February 2016 10: 00
      +4
      Quote: Viktor fm
      Another Gorbachevschina. And our father is a Cossack mishandled. They were crucified before Europe, already the Warsaw Treaty was dissolved, and where is NATO now?

      Lord, what about the church?
      1. Viktor fm
        Viktor fm 13 February 2016 10: 12
        -6
        Learn the story. The main wars of Russia are with Catholics.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 13 February 2016 10: 23
          +4
          Well, yes, but the Turks, Central Asia, the entire Caucasus, Afghanistan and the Mongol yoke - this is so, complete garbage)))
          1. Viktor fm
            Viktor fm 13 February 2016 10: 33
            -2
            Well, yes, compare these losses with WWII including.
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        3. RUSS
          RUSS 13 February 2016 10: 52
          0
          Quote: Viktor fm
          Learn the story. The main wars of Russia are with Catholics.

          For example, in Germany there are equal parts of Protestants and Catholics, in Britain in general Anglicans and Catholics there are minuscule, the Turks are Muslims, respectively, the Japanese are both Buddhism and some local "nonsense" on the verge of paganism. Catholicism, in principle, of the former enemies is strong only in Poland and France. By the way, we fought, well, as the Romanians fought, and they are Orthodox, like Hitler's satellites, Bulgarians ...
          1. Viktor fm
            Viktor fm 13 February 2016 11: 36
            +1
            I explain why we do not need to deal with Catholics. By themselves, as brothers, they do not need us nafig. They always have their own interest in the first place. All this fuss started because of the refugees. Europe, because of them, if not yet in collapse, will definitely be there. Judge for yourselves: the territory there is very limited, there is definitely not enough food for them, Europeans themselves eat chemistry (I lived there, I know). That is, Russia should act as an assistant in this matter.
            And there’s nothing that many are in poverty, help will be primarily for refugees, which I am convinced of many times now.
          2. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 47
            -1
            This "nonsense" is more years old than Christianity. And the country is blooming.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 13 February 2016 12: 09
              0
              Quote: Darkness
              This "nonsense" is more years old than Christianity. And the country is blooming.

              Well, the fact that Japan is blooming is still an issue, I don’t argue, the country is economically strong, but the economic downturn is on the face, Japan is leading among developed countries in the field of population aging and falling birth rates — such demographic changes can cause many serious problems, including the crisis of the state pension system, labor shortages, economic downturns, and declining public welfare, a country under US occupation, foreign policy dependent on the States, etc.
              So Japan once bloomed, but apparently fades ...

              ps and about the morality of the Japanese, ask the Chinese especially the older generation, women ...
              1. Darkness
                Darkness 13 February 2016 12: 17
                0
                The economic downturn is everywhere.
                Morality - does not depend on religion.
                This is a complex of behavior inherent in certain peoples and nations.
                In Asian countries, our own morality, we have our own.
          3. avva2012
            avva2012 13 February 2016 13: 38
            +2
            Quote: RUSS Catholicism, in principle, of the former enemies is strong only in Poland and France.

            Only in POLAND! More with any state professing Catholicism, we had no problems. Imagine Spain, after the discovery of America, why climb to the East? Well, in order for France to become an enemy, the Anglo-Saxons (Protestants) had to weave a conspiracy and kill Paul 1! And did we have disagreements with the French? Where are we and where are they? This is all (mate forbidden) Protestants (mate forbidden)
            Anglo-Saxons (forbidden mat), they turned off our blood, and Catholics too.
            1. Darkness
              Darkness 13 February 2016 13: 50
              0
              But the Nazis, the Nazis, who were they?
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 13 February 2016 14: 07
                +4
                Quote: Darkness But the Nazis, the Nazis, who were they?


                And the Nazis were occultists. Well, there is SS, Thule Society. "The main goal of Nazism was declared the theurgic reconstruction of a new race of demigods on the basis of racially pure Aryans, whose historical enemies were considered the southern race - immigrants from Gondwana. An important role in occult Nazism was played by the legends of the disappeared countries (Tula, Agharti, Shambhala). Occult theories were served by the Heritage of Ancestors organization, the founders of which had contacts with future Nazi leaders. One of the relics of Nazism was considered the Spear of Longinus, and one of the symbols - “Black Sun.” It was assumed that occult Nazism would become the official religion of Germany. "
                IN AS
                The "Higher Unknowns" in occult circles close to the Nazi elite, called those forces that, in the spiritual sense, stood behind the strength of Adolf Hitler. The mystics of the Thule Society attributed this name to the devil as well. "
                Hitler (Ram, in general, was a pid-m), hated the church, religion and did not hide his attitude: "all church teachings are just nonsense" (!) However, "Islam, perhaps, could still induce me to gaze enthusiastically at the sky. But then I imagine how bland and boring in Christian heaven "," I would like there to be not a single priest within a radius of 10 kilometers from my grave. " And in general, "Only old women go to church, since they are deprived of earthly joys. Sand is already pouring out of them and there is no use."
                And if, you mean, the Germans, then there are some Protestants (large), and some, yes, Catholics.
                1. Darkness
                  Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 18
                  -1
                  Hitler was a fanatical Catholic, if cho)))
                  Most Germans, too.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 13 February 2016 19: 01
                    +1
                    If, cho, to the studio. Evidence. You’re not a srach, came to breed on a forum? Or...
                  2. Weyland
                    Weyland 13 February 2016 19: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Darkness
                    Hitler was a fanatical Catholic, if cho)))
                    Most Germans, too.


                    Hitler tried to introduce paganism. And among Germans, Protestants prevail over Catholics!
                  3. Weyland
                    Weyland 13 February 2016 19: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Darkness
                    Hitler was a fanatical Catholic, if cho)))
                    Most Germans, too.


                    Hitler tried to introduce paganism. And among Germans, Protestants prevail over Catholics!
          4. Fat
            Fat 13 February 2016 18: 59
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            , Japanese - there is both Buddhism and some kind of local "nonsense" on the verge of paganism

            In modern Japan, two main religions are mainly widespread: Shintoism and Buddhism. Since the advent of Buddhism in Japan, the process of mutual influence and interpenetration of these religions begins. In many temples, kami and buddhas are worshiped simultaneously. Christianity (about 1% of believers) and various sects are also very popular.
            The Imperial Shinto cult of Amaterasu and the Aum Senrikyo sect are far from "bullshit."
  • Dezinto
    Dezinto 13 February 2016 10: 15
    +4
    This is not a religion - it has long been (or always) is politics! God is in you. And that’s all. - policy!

    So do not be surprised. I am sure that the Pope went to such a meeting because of immigrants who, by wagons, ships, several thousand a day invaded Europe. Something needs to be decided with this - that’s what they discussed.

    Although what will you do with them when they are already here?
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 26
      0
      Above, they suggested "Christian special forces".
  • Beard31
    Beard31 13 February 2016 10: 27
    -1
    For Orthodox Catholics, these are apostates; any relationship with them is a sin before God.
    Catholics are the mortal enemies of Christianity, since they, under the guise of the faith of Christ, carried to the people the distorted teachings of Christ, for the sake of their exorbitant appetites for gold and power.
    The patriarch committed an act of sacrilege and betrayal of the Orthodox faith.
    Burn this schismatic in hellish nativity scenes forever.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 10: 41
      +2
      All Orthodoxy in one post))))
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 13 February 2016 13: 53
      +2
      Quote: Beard31 For Orthodox Catholics, these are apostates, any relationship with them is a sin before God. Catholics are mortal enemies of Christianity, since they, hiding under the faith of Christ, carried people the distorted teachings of Christ

      The difference between Catholics and Orthodox Christians is that for us, the "Holy Spirit" comes from "God the Father", and for them, And from "God the Son," too. That is, the Catholics violated the decision of the Council of Nicaea that the Canons are inviolable. And it's all! The rest is nonsense.
      The patriarch committed an act of sacrilege and betrayal of the Orthodox faith.
      Burn this schismatic in hellish nativity scenes forever.

      "Ty, who is this ?, Ty, why are you asking questions?"
      SARS ?, flu? Heat?
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 13 February 2016 20: 20
        +1
        Quote: avva2012
        And it's all!
        That is not all. They invented many dogmas, which until the 4th century were not, in particular, the dogma of the infallibility of the pope, etc. But compared to Protestants, Catholics are closer to tradition, and Orthodox (orthodox) are the most conservative Christians, guardians of the Christian faith. Here liberals are furious: the Russian Orthodox Church will hinder their pseudoscience, or they will not recognize same-sex marriages.
  • populist
    populist 13 February 2016 10: 43
    0
    What is the essence of the event? In ecumenism.
    In an attempt to seduce Orthodoxy (ROC) into this "heresy".
    But better without religions at all.
  • VB
    VB 13 February 2016 10: 58
    -2
    Stop talking nonsense, the billionaire gundyaev, went for the support of the pope so that his money would not be plucked. The patriarch has such a gray cardinal, some parkhaev, who was distinguished by the fact that under the auspices of the church he duty-free brought cigarettes and alcohol to Russia, under the roof of Metropolitan Gundyaev. About his birthday, look on the Internet who are interested. No one wondered why they had not met for almost a thousand years, were they dumber than now? I do not believe. Hence, there are insurmountable contradictions. Gundyaev would be better if he translated the Bible into Russian in modern language. Everyone in the world, except for Russians, which is not surprising with such hierarchs, reads the Bible in modern languages.
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 13 February 2016 11: 16
      +3
      Where does such pathological hatred come from? True, I just can’t understand where you come from and people like you? So you personally what annoyed the Russian Church and its head?
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 48
        0
        His intervention in the affairs of a secular state.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 13 February 2016 11: 01
    -1
    Quote: Darkness
    Why are you lying? Or is it a special feature of the Orthodox?
    The Russian Orthodox Church no longer creeps into schools, universities, kindergartens, the army, etc.?
    Are more or less advantageous places not being built up with their "temples within walking distance"?

    Darkness, and who are you? Where does it come from? Who are your relatives? Where do you live?
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 23
      +1
      From there, that's all.
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna 13 February 2016 11: 36
    +3
    I saw old believers. There are enough of them in our area. They have strong families of children 10-12, they never have this infection, they never have, the Old Believers drink, but there are few smokers among them. They bring up children by example. They don’t go to church.
    1. valera
      valera 13 February 2016 11: 37
      0
      Quote: Chisain
      I saw the Old Believers

      Kindly say where you live.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 13 February 2016 14: 39
      0
      Quote: Chisain I saw the Old Believers. There are enough of them in our area.

      "Lenin! Here he sat down, old man."
      Old Believers drinkbut smokers few among them

      I would rather believe in LGBT people with them than in smokers. The attitude of the Old Believers to tobacco: "Tobacco is a weed that grew out of the blood of the unclean." "Tobacco is the root of evil, which was cursed at seven Councils. Tobacco workers are clerks to hell."
      so that you saw some strange Old Believers.
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 13 February 2016 15: 22
        0
        Satan loves smoke, because hell is in smoke and fire. You don’t have to show your cleverness to me. You can’t leave the world. These are the Old Believers themselves. Yes, and there are few Kurts among them. Try on the analogy with Lenin. rashe.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 13 February 2016 15: 31
          0
          Quote: Chisain Satan loves smoke, because hell is in smoke and fire. You don’t have to show your cleverness to me. You can’t leave the world. These are the Old Believers themselves. Yes, and there are few Kurts among them. Try on the analogy with Lenin. rashe.

          I will answer from the last. Did they support the move, or did they just get it?
          This is not ingenious, this is an attempt to communicate in one language. Not happy, I won’t.
          Ah, you don’t have to be rude.
  • Saratoga833
    Saratoga833 13 February 2016 11: 36
    +4
    Personally, I only welcome the meeting of representatives of different faiths! It is a pity that representatives of Islam and Hinduism as well as other faiths did not participate in this meeting! Indeed, they say that the most terrible wars take place on a religious basis! There are many examples in history. On the site, very many have already begun to dog, remembering the negative properties of a particular denomination or their representatives. This is wrong. The deep meaning of this meeting is not the conversion of delegates to their faith, but the search for mutual contacts! A trial to solve the problem of how to live in peace for representatives of different faiths. An example is the same Russia, where Christians, Muslims, and believers in wooden idols get along quite peacefully. One must be able to find a common language, and not seek out ways to humiliate or destroy a person of another faith. For example, I am an atheist, but this does not bother me at all to live and communicate with people who believe without hostility towards them. He believes in Christ, Allah or Buddha, this does not bother me, this is his business and does not concern me. You just need to respect someone else’s faith and not try to force your own!
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 11: 49
      +2
      Well, ask believers of different Abrahamic religions how they feel about atheists. And if you give them matches?
      The abyss will open.
      1. Beard31
        Beard31 13 February 2016 12: 14
        0
        This is not our method, it is from the history of Catholicism, Catholics are still those pyromancers. In the history of Orthodoxy there is more than one atheist burnt at the stake. By violence and murder, only those who have no truth can impose their beliefs and ideas about God. Let me remind you that the father of lies is Satan, the lie of Satan spreads to the souls of people through seduction, lies and fear, including through violence.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 13 February 2016 12: 59
          +3
          There were no atheists in those days.
          And the Russian Orthodox Church burned at the fires of dissidents, this can not be taken away.
          1. Beard31
            Beard31 13 February 2016 13: 40
            -1
            Whom the Orthodox burned for dissent, there are examples, a liar.
            Dissent from people like you sounds alternatively gifted in which 2 + 2 = 5.
            1. Darkness
              Darkness 13 February 2016 13: 51
              +1
              In Google banned?
              Grekulov, if memory serves.
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            3. Normal ok
              Normal ok 13 February 2016 14: 25
              0
              Quote: Beard31
              Whom the Orthodox burned for dissent, there are examples, a liar.

              No need to go far, 250 years massively the Old Believers chased, and penal servitude and torture and a bonfire - everything went into motion.
              The Big Moscow Cathedral of 1666-1667: “Whoever ... doesn’t listen though he commands from us, or begins to rebuke ... we will punish them spiritually, and even our spiritual punishment will be despised, and we will apply such bodily bitterness ”(that is, if someone doesn’t at least listen to what we have commanded or begins to rebuke us, then we will punish them spiritually, and if we begin to neglect our spiritual punishment, we will add to those and bodily torment). Under Tsar Fedor Alekseevich, decrees were issued on the persecution of Old Believers, which included punishment by a whip, torture, exile with confiscation of property, and the death penalty. For example, in 1682, Protopope Avvakum with his associates was burned in Pustozersk, Archpriest Nikita Dobrynin and many others were executed.
          2. Kaiten
            Kaiten 13 February 2016 14: 04
            -1
            Quote: Darkness
            And the Russian Orthodox Church burned at the fires of dissidents, this can not be taken away.

            It wasn’t that. The Russian Orthodox Church did not have a religious police like the Inquisition. In Russia, the church was almost always subordinate to secular authority and the secret police office (and later the third branch) would never have allowed parallel police to exist.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 13 February 2016 14: 16
              +1
              Quote: Kaiten It wasn’t that. The Russian Orthodox Church did not have a religious police like the Inquisition. In Russia, the church was almost always subordinate to secular authority and the secret police office (and later the third branch) would never have allowed parallel police to exist.

              They burned, though not much. Link: https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazn through burning in the history of Russia. There are more serious sources.
              The Inquisition, the police were not. The functions are different. Again the reference book of the Soviet atheist?
              1. Kaiten
                Kaiten 13 February 2016 15: 34
                0
                Quote: avva2012
                They burned, though not much. Link: https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazn through burning in the history of Russia.

                About that and speech.

                Quote: avva2012
                The Inquisition, the police were not. The functions are different.

                Formally, it was a church court; in fact, it often performed functions that are special in the modern world. services. Will we argue about legal terms now?
                Quote: avva2012
                Again the reference book of the Soviet atheist?

                I am not Soviet or atheist.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 13 February 2016 16: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Kaiten Formally, it was a church court; in fact, it often performed functions that are special in the modern world. services. Will we argue about legal terms now?

                  In terms, we will not. In different situations, the role of the Inquisition is different. For example, when enforcing peace, the same Albigensians, the role of the Inquisition in minimizing repression. They were supposed to fulfill the role of judges. From the whole mass, separate, as they say, "the goat from the lambs." In another situation, the function of an investigator. Answer the question, "Is this man a heretic?" And, only in later times, they became, in practice, a function of the executioner. Then they were closed.
                  And, at the expense of the "reference book", so, surprisingly, communists, not communists, nationalists, anyone. When it comes to religion, they use it without even realizing it.
                  1. Kaiten
                    Kaiten 13 February 2016 16: 59
                    0
                    Quote: avva2012
                    And, at the expense of the "reference book", so, surprisingly, communists, not communists, nationalists, anyone. When it comes to religion, they use it without even realizing it.

                    I have my own sources; I do not keep Soviet atheistic literature at home. And she is not interesting to me. I am not a Christian and not an atheist.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 13 February 2016 17: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Kaiten I have my own sources; I do not keep Soviet atheistic literature at home. And she is not interesting to me. I am not a Christian and not an atheist.

                      There is no information in the "PM". But it can be assumed that they were not born in Israel and the Union was found. Komsomol, no? Pioneers, huh? Atheism in the USSR, not only Christianity concerned. And he left a lot of rot (this is about the reference book).
                      I wonder the source of Thor?
                      1. Kaiten
                        Kaiten 13 February 2016 19: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        There is no information in the "PM". But it can be assumed that they were not born in Israel and the Union was found. Komsomol, no? Pioneers, huh? Atheism in the USSR, not only Christianity concerned.

                        He was a pioneer and Komsomol member at school for pro forma. I was very angry that I had to pull this red tie every day. Otherwise there would be trouble. I have never been an atheist. I regard atheism as a form of man-made religion, since the absence of Gd is just as inconclusive as its existence. I perceive the form of Soviet atheism with its personality cult of leaders and the mummy on the Red Square as a parody of the Egyptian cult of farons.
                      2. sa-ag
                        sa-ag 14 February 2016 08: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Kaiten
                        I have never been an atheist. I regard atheism as a form of man-made religion, since the absence of Gd is just as inconclusive as its existence

                        And at the same time say that you are not an atheist? For a non-atheist, the presence of God is not in doubt
          3. Darkness
            Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 21
            0
            Lying again. Burned. But it’s true, not as often as in Europe
  • antiexpert
    antiexpert 13 February 2016 12: 04
    0
    Pastor Schlag's mission
  • Zheka40
    Zheka40 13 February 2016 12: 17
    +3
    There will be no reunion, the values ​​are different for us.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 13 February 2016 12: 32
    0
    I remember how the Americans came with their reboot. Will it also be like that?
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    1. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 13: 30
      -1
      Quote: Jurec
      If Christ lived now, then ate two companions, would have scattered Evo again.

      What do these two mean again? Why such unthinkable arguments?
      Quote: Jurec
      that doesn’t smell of Christianity there!

      But it smells of cheap Czech fume from you, and in general you are just stupidly envious of us hi
      1. Jurec
        Jurec 13 February 2016 13: 41
        0
        Christ was more modest!
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 13 February 2016 13: 57
          0
          Quote: Jurec Christ was more modest!

          Witness? belay
          And, in the Czech Republic, is there a beer carnival now, or what?
          1. valera
            valera 13 February 2016 17: 15
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            Quote: Jurec Christ was more modest!

            Witness? belay

            Can you refute?
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 13 February 2016 17: 19
              0
              Can you refute?

              "I have never been a witness yet."
              "More modest," is this your postulate of faith?
              1. valera
                valera 13 February 2016 17: 42
                0
                Quote: avva2012
                "More modest," is this your postulate of faith?

                You should not find fault with a word written with an error.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 13 February 2016 17: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Valera You should not find fault with a word written with an error.

                  The word is not with your mistake. And what does spelling have to do with it?
                  The person who wrote this is trying to put a shadow on the fence. He, about "Thomas", and he, as in the parliamentary debates, the main thing is to place emphasis on emotions. I wonder what the Savior said, not what he was wearing. What, really, nonsense.
                  1. valera
                    valera 13 February 2016 18: 11
                    0
                    Quote: avva2012
                    He, about "Thomas", and he, as in the parliamentary debates, the main thing is to place emphasis on emotions. I wonder what the Savior said, not what he was wearing. Really

                    Today, a gathering of religious experts is straightforward: there is a baptized one, a Jew is also present, a true Muslim is not enough.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 13 February 2016 19: 09
                      0
                      The theme, yes, is specific. Need knowledge. Or, at least the desire to have them. The book is actually one. At least for Christians, but for Jews with Muslims. God is One. And in this, unlike the Gentiles, we converge. And the word was from God ...
                      1. valera
                        valera 13 February 2016 21: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        God is One. And in this, unlike the Gentiles, we converge

                        It is noticeable that he is one, the Christian missionary will say such a frostbitten Islamist and fall asleep with his throat cut.
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        3. RUSS
          RUSS 13 February 2016 14: 41
          +1
          Quote: Jurec
          Christ was more modest!

          You apparently Rusyns, but it seems that already Svidomo Rusyns laughing
  • vlad_vlad
    vlad_vlad 13 February 2016 13: 33
    +2
    Quote: Kaiten
    Quote: Valera

    Don’t say stupid things. The bazaars about the Russian forgiveness have simply fussed. Our people don’t want to learn from their own mistakes.

    For Jews, this is called cruelty and vindictiveness.


    "I'm not vindictive ... just evil and I have a good memory"
  • kopatich
    kopatich 13 February 2016 13: 36
    +3
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Darkness
    Is there morality in Japan or not?

    The first brothel ("comfort station") for Japanese soldiers- appeared in 1932 in Shanghai. Its need was officially explained by the protection of soldiers from sexually transmitted diseases, and unofficially - by the desire to reduce the number of rapes. Invited Japanese women worked at the first “station”, but in the subsequent prisoners of concentration camps were brought in. In total, about 400 brothels were created.

    According to various sources, in the "consolation stations" contained from 50 thousand to 200 thousand slaves. According to the testimonies of the brothel prisoners, each of the women served about 30 men a day. In the case of sexually transmitted diseases or pregnancies, they were given medication with arsenic. Also known about slaves who fell into brothels at a minor age.


    let’s give an example a bit more recent ?! I am not for Japan, I am for objectivity, all countries and peoples have their own historical skeleton in a historical cabinet.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 13: 54
      +2
      Well, Orthodox gentlemen forget that brothels were officially allowed in Russia too, and the highly moral and highly spiritual priests went to consecrate them, quite officially.
      1. Litsvin
        Litsvin 13 February 2016 16: 00
        +3
        Father (according to you - the priest) can have sex on ordinary, not fasting days. Religious people voluntarily refuse this and thus perform one of the great deeds, suppressing one of the main passions in themselves. Do not believe it, but try it yourself, well, at least six months. Then you can comment on the "priests". You'd better tell about the Jews and Hasidim what they are doing ... that I am tormented by vague doubts about your nationality ... Bo people are Orthodox, baptized, they do not write about such things, even if they actually saw. The priests themselves let them atone for their sins, for there is more demand from them than from ordinary sinners.
        Father is also a man. And as the Lord said: "All are sinners and there is not one righteous one."
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 23
          -2
          What a stream of consciousness ...
          Your wild fantasy pleases.
          Priests can already have sex? Go and use contraceptives?
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 13 February 2016 21: 46
            +1
            Yeah, they still understand and children are born. So that's it. And the father’s (priest's) wife is called mother.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 13 February 2016 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: kopatich
      let’s give an example a bit more recent ?! I'm not for Japan, I'm for objectivity

      18
      Today in Japan, under the pardon .. uciya is understood only an ordinary sexual intercourse for money, which makes mi .. et, ana .. one and other types of s .. ksa quite legal and legal. The Japanese c..x industry is very developed, it is a well-established mechanism, usually all institutions providing c..x services together with drinking establishments are concentrated in one district of the city.
      Fasshon herusu is another kind of Japanese brothel - there the goal is to stimulate org .. sex without sexual penetration. Everything happens without a present .. privacy, the basic cost of the service includes m .. no, kisses are sucked, pose 69, sometimes pouring out .. an..sa
      These are highly developed people in today's Japan.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 13 February 2016 13: 44
    +1
    The question is complex? Will this give the chances of saving Eastern Christianity from pressure
    radical Islam!
  • with
    with 13 February 2016 14: 09
    +2
    There would be no stone in the bosom of the next "batyev". Whatever happens, as with the children of Lieutenant Schmidt, who became "brothers" in the office of the punishing chief under the threat of luli.
    1. Litsvin
      Litsvin 13 February 2016 15: 50
      +3
      I didn’t understand something from the context of the statements about our Orthodoxy, Foreign Minister Karl Bildt - is he gay or transgender? Explain who can ...
      And yet, he, Karl, urgently needs to read the Bible "in the parts of Sodom and Gomorrah", as the local homosexuals and sexual nonentities tried to rape the Holy Angel of the Lord, sent by the Lord to these subhumans for their understanding and direction on the true path. They did not heed and did not repent, moreover, they tried to commit an even more serious sin. So they paid - then about sulfur and heavenly fire and all-purifying. Homosexuals and other genetic and moral mutants, it's time to think ...
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 54
        -5
        In the part of Sodom and Gomorrah - there are more interesting points.
        About Lot, who handed over his daughters for rape.
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 52
      +1
      Soviet atheism also regulated family relationships and was hostile to gays.
      Orthodoxy did not smell there
      1. Litsvin
        Litsvin 13 February 2016 23: 38
        +1
        The luminaries of medicine in the field of psychiatry and their fellow geneticists - all sorts of, in the MEDICAL LANGUAGE, - homosexuals, homosexuals, lesbians and other subhumans - are "genetic" mutants. Genetics determines human behavior even "in small things." It is through genetics that all this "disgrace" takes place, which is expressed in mental deviation. These creatures can be attributed to not quite healthy people, but no one can tell how he heals. Even the Germans in the 35-39 years experimented with homosexuals (Germans by nationality) to return them to their normal attraction to women. Forcibly they shoved beautiful women on them, since there was a lot of "material" in the camps, orgies were becoming obsolete, and so on. Out of 10 homosexuals on the path of COMPLETE correction, it is good if 1 managed to be put, and then, with a big stretch. Then the experiments were stopped due to their uselessness, homosexuals were sent to the "camp" as not amenable to correction (who are interested - described in the medical literature). The hostility towards gays is dictated by human nature itself - it is an anomaly, a deviation that causes the normal reaction of a healthy part of the human community. Therefore, the "Bolsheviks" were not pioneers in hostility and persecution of perverts. Our society also needs to get rid of this dirty trick. The first thing to do is to return the article to the Criminal Code of Sodomy. Only in contrast to the USSR Criminal Code of 1968, the term should be raised from "three rubles" to "chervonets". And to offer an alternative - to caught homosexuals and other perverts, so as not to feed from our budget in prison, to offer to "surrender" citizenship and emigrate to the countries of the decaying West with "tolerant" attitudes towards such "deviations". The second thing to do is to instill in every possible way in the healthy part of society the cult of intolerance towards such different kinds of "... secs" - so that people themselves would identify them and hand them over to the "organs". And let the West shout what it wants - they have just gone crazy there and for this will come the reckoning. All this vulgarity poses a direct threat to human existence itself.
    3. iouris
      iouris 14 February 2016 23: 59
      0
      Verily speaks.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 13 February 2016 14: 12
    0
    Quote: bocsman
    Quote: Kaiten
    About Jews remembered as usual, through 5 posts. Everything is OK, so the whole weekend in the country is relatively sober.

    As one smart person said, - Partitions between churches do not reach heaven!
    In all world religions, there are enough schismatics and extremists, enough of them to Jews, but judging them all believers is at least stupid. And about the story. Now there are so many tractors, inventors, alternatives, amazed. Well, truth has always been born in disputes.

    Truth to disputes has a rather indirect relation. In disputes, as elsewhere, it is not truth that triumphs, but the one who is stronger. Therefore, history and taps almost every generation of people on the same rake. Well, if the hundredth time this truth begins to reach.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 13 February 2016 14: 19
    0
    Quote: met
    There would be no stone in the bosom of the next "batyev". Whatever happens, as with the children of Lieutenant Schmidt, who became "brothers" in the office of the punishing chief under the threat of luli.

    Sorry, but again by!
    This is Sweden, i.e., Protestants.
  • Alekst
    Alekst 13 February 2016 15: 02
    +1
    the very fact of the meeting in Cuba says a lot, in fact, now the inhabitants of Latin America are the most zealous Catholics, which cannot be said about Western Europe, which actually cannot be called a Christian "country"
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    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 13 February 2016 15: 42
      0
      Quote: Alekst
      the fact of meeting in Cuba says a lot, actually Latin Americans are now the most zealous Catholics, which cannot be said about Western Europe, which actually cannot be called a Christian "country"

      Google threads !!!! Do not write cliches taken from movies and books from the times of your youth. Just google the topic: "Catholics, Protestants, Atheists, Pagans in Latin America." And you will see that a lot has changed over the past thirty years:
      "Overall, 84% of Hispanic adults grew up in the Catholic faith, according to a Pew Research poll. over 15% indicate at its current Catholic affiliation. Analysts faced opposite figures when it came to Protestants and people who do not identify with religion: while the ranks of the Catholic Church are being reduced due to conversion to other faiths, Protestant churches and non-religious populations are experiencing an increase in numbers. Only one in ten Hispanics (9%) grew up in the Protestant faith, but every fifth (19%) today considers himself a Protestant. If before only 4% of Hispanics grew up in non-religious families, today the percentage of the non-religious population doubled (8%). "
      I’m just silent about the fact that in Latin America more than half of the so-called zealous Catholics observe pagan traditions and generally go to sorcerers.
  • Litsvin
    Litsvin 13 February 2016 15: 43
    -2
    FINALLY, THE GREATEST EVENT FROM THE TIME OF THE CHURCH OF THE CHURCH — THE MEETING OF THE HIERARCHS OF TWO GREAT BRANCHES OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH !!!
    THIS IS NOT DEMAND. THREATS TO CHRISTIANITY REALLY GREAT.
    CHRISTIAN CONFESSIONS SHOULD BE UNITED INTO ONE CHURCH, THROWING OUT ALL "OFFENSES" AND "DISCONNECTIONS IN THE TREATS." LIFE MAKES IT TO BE DONE EARLIER OR LATE. JUST THUS WE WILL SAVE.

    CHRIST IS ONE AND THE CHURCH SHOULD BE ONE, AS IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE SPLIT. THE HEAD OF THE ONE CHRISTIAN CHURCH MUST BE IN JERUSALEM !!! TODAY, THE SECOND STEP HAS BEEN TAKEN IN THIS DIRECTION, THE FIRST WAS WHEN THE PATRIARCH AND THE PAPA "REMOVED" EACH OTHER MUTUAL "OFFENSIVE WORDS".

    THE WAY OF ASSOCIATION WILL BE LONG AND DIFFERENT, BUT VIVIDALLY NECESSARY AND SAVING.

    KEEP ALL THE LORD !!!
  • infantry76
    infantry76 13 February 2016 16: 06
    +2
    Someone, like Andrei Kuraev, is trying to tie the meeting between the Patriarch and the Pontiff as the fulfillment of the "party order" of the VVP. Someone sees other pro-Orthodox or pro-Catholic goals ... I see a desire to live in one Christian field, regardless of the name of the Churches, and even more so to fight for the peaceful coexistence of people. And it doesn't matter who represents these Great Churches - Patriarch Kirill and Pope Francis, the main thing is peace on planet Earth. And since the Churches are beginning to be puzzled by this, it means that the threat of World War has actually ripened (although it is already underway, under the name "hybrid"). Help them, and all of us, Lord!
    I have the honor! soldier
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 13 February 2016 16: 10
    0
    Poland will be declared a fraternal country by box? :-) And then the trucks there from the Russian Federation are wrapped ...
    1. valera
      valera 13 February 2016 16: 17
      0
      Quote: sa-ag
      Poland will be declared a fraternal country by box? :-)

      Yes, right now, the announcers carry such nonsense that you wonder how the info editor is checked for broadcast.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 February 2016 16: 17
    0
    Dad is a Jesuit, so the very fact of the meeting already says a lot. The Catholic Church has always been expansionist, and the Vatican irrationally and rationally justified this expansion. But today, the threat to the values ​​of both Christianity and Islam comes from the extremely aggressive quasi-religious sectarian messianism of a fundamentally new type, centered in the United States.
    The meeting place was chosen extremely symbolically: on the one hand, it is a clear reminder of the Cuban missile crisis, on the other hand, of the shameful US policy in its "backyard" and the liberation movement of Latin Americans. Cuba is, on the one hand, a Latin American and Catholic country, on the other, a revolutionary one committed to an anti-imperialist policy.
    In the light of events in Ukraine and Western Ukraine, in particular, the political significance of this meeting is also very great.
    Although this event seems to relate to intra-church life, anti-religious and anti-Catholic and anti-papal propaganda in Europe is sharply activated. Our liberal fascists are also becoming more active.
    This will mean that Washington’s policy has suffered yet another defeat.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 13 February 2016 20: 55
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      this event seems to relate to the inner church life
      This is not an internal church life, the Orthodox and Catholics do not have a common church, but two Christian churches are called "sister churches", and Protestants call their sects "churches", but they are not our sisters.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 13 February 2016 16: 44
    +2
    This meeting is a serious call for politicians. Christians really began to destroy steel. There have been no such things for several millennia ...
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 25
      +1
      Hmm ....
      A few, how much?
  • Michael.
    Michael. 13 February 2016 16: 51
    -2
    And to recognize the so-called St. Alexander Nevsky in Russia as the Murderer and murderer of the Christian brothers Crusaders (Warriors of Christ) And to admit this time and this battle as a misunderstanding. Both will repent and serve the requiem masses for the soldiers who died in this battle.
    1. Fat
      Fat 13 February 2016 19: 58
      0
      Quote: Michael.
      And to recognize the so-called St. Alexander Nevsky in Russia as the Murderer and murderer of the Christian brothers Crusaders (Warriors of Christ) And to admit this time and this battle as a misunderstanding. Both will repent and serve the requiem masses for the soldiers who died in this battle.

      And you in vain, Dear, said. "Whoever remembers the old eye, and whoever forgets, both." For now, the task is to resist the expansion of Islam in its most "double" forms of Orthodox Christians with Catholics along the way.
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 13 February 2016 23: 08
      +1
      Quote: Michael.
      And to recognize the so-called St. Alexander Nevsky in Russia as the Murderer and murderer of the Christian brothers Crusaders (Warriors of Christ) And to admit this time and this battle as a misunderstanding


      Write nonsense, dear! Poles for what stubborn Catholics - and defeat crusaders near Grunwald for them - the most important event, and no one thinks to repent of it!
  • Beard31
    Beard31 13 February 2016 17: 17
    0
    Let us knead all religions, countries, races, cultures in the cauldron to a homogeneous brown mass. We’ll kiss each other, choose a single ruler with a rating of 666%, and cancel the state. borders, we will live in one friendly family and die in one judgment day. This is a brothel continuation of insanity in the style of multi-stump.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 13 February 2016 18: 57
      0
      Single planet Earth. United government. All forces and knowledge are directed to the conquest of space and the Galaxy.
      Scientific atheism dominates; all religions are equally insignificant.
      New discoveries in medicine and genetics, etc.
      Socialism. The human race is one.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 13 February 2016 21: 56
        +1
        Not otherwise Efremov read?
        The Age of World Reunion begins in 2047: the Age of Union of Countries, the Age of Different Languages, the Age of Struggle for Energy, the Age of Common Language.
        In the Era of General Labor (beginning in 2287), the Centuries of Simplification of Things, Reorganization, First Welfare, Star Space alternate.
        The era of the Great Ring (beginning in 2826) consists of the Centuries of Reason, the Great Rise, Infinity and the Tibetan Experience, which began in 2408 and lasted half a millennium.
        1. Darkness
          Darkness 13 February 2016 22: 51
          -1
          The first time I've heard.
          But the unification of the entire planet under a single leadership is necessary, otherwise we are khan.
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 14 February 2016 16: 48
            +1
            Read, it will be beneficial.
            I really read about 15 years old, but it's never too late to learn anything.
            and as for the united leadership of the entire planet, the Bilderberg Club is enough for us.
      2. slovak
        slovak 14 February 2016 12: 29
        +1
        Atheism is the belief that God does not exist. Religion is the belief that God exists.
        Those who claimed that scientific atheism existed also claimed that earthly paradise could be built in a short time.
        Paradise was not built, although for the sake of this they sacrificed the lives of millions of people. Enough for teaching.
        Christianity claims that earthly paradise is impossible.
        The prerequisite for the construction of the earthly paradise is that a person has such positive qualities that he does not own, that he is like God. And he is not like that.
        If interested, I can write more about the "scientific atheism" of Marcism - Leninism.
  • Bayun
    Bayun 13 February 2016 18: 51
    +1
    Bare fact: we have witnessed an event that happens once every 1000 (!) Years. For better or for worse? From everyday tz. - for worse. From the mountain "how much grief and happiness in the coming enemy invasion" (C) - to GOOD.
  • Amper
    Amper 13 February 2016 18: 53
    0
    To me, as a materialist Marxist-Leninist, for whom religion is opium for the people. This oncoming, as the next bridge between the Russian dough and Western offshore. Gundyaev came on his yacht or on lodges, sweat? He removed the boilers from both of them or left one?
    Something is never heard of the condemnation of the dean Gundyaev, well, at least something !!!! at least squeak !!! Like the anathema to Serdyukov !!!, embezzlement in the country and the destruction of the Russian state, or is the church non-existent only to pacify the possessed (pusi wright) and repose?
    What do you say, Orthodox? Whoever is against me is not with me!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 13 February 2016 19: 42
      0
      There is one, Inna.
    2. slovak
      slovak 13 February 2016 22: 12
      0
      I wrote an analysis of Marxism-Leninism. Based on the writings of his classics, I conclude that there is no truth in their statements. This is a short essay. If you want, I can send it to you in Russian in electronic form. I think that this can be interesting and useful for you. There are links to sources.
      1. iouris
        iouris 14 February 2016 12: 50
        0
        Do not strain. With all modern sociologists and economists begin with criticism of Marx and Engels. It has been going on for almost 200 years.
        Marx did not guess like Wang, but analyzed the capitalism that was with him. He defined the concept of capital, established an economic (objective) law of capital development, independent of the will and desire of people (including Marx himself). All.
        Theories, by virtue of their understanding, apply politics.
      2. Amper
        Amper 14 February 2016 22: 15
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        Brother, write! Slovaks-Rusich brothers! who is with us? Still!? There is no people against the people!
        1. slovak
          slovak 14 February 2016 22: 54
          0
          Friend, please give an electronic address. I will send the promised analysis immediately if it is in Latin.
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 February 2016 08: 30
      0
      Quote: Amper
      like anathema Serdyukov !!!

      But what about "Not stolen", adultery again :-)
  • 3vs
    3vs 13 February 2016 19: 14
    +1
    It seems that this meeting was possible only with this pope - Francis.
    Man, apparently, really worthy!
    Will there be any breakthrough, I don’t think.
    The West does not need holiness, and we don’t particularly cherish and is encouraged, but,
    it seems that in Russia the task is to preserve the Orthodox faith.
    Well, let's slide down to "bread and circuses", Jewish children will quickly throne for
    "world government" with Satan at its head will prepare ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 13 February 2016 19: 19
    0
    The article does not say anything about the disagreements of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
    Dogmatic differences between Western (Catholic) and Eastern (Orthodox) Christianity.
    Orthodoxy does not accept the Latin formulation of the Nicene Constantinople Creed, which refers to the descent of the Holy Spirit not only from the Father, but also from the Son.
    Orthodoxy rejects the dogma of the infallibility (inerrancy) of the Pope and his supremacy over all Christians.
    In Catholicism, unlike Orthodoxy, there is a dogma about the immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary, as well as Her bodily ascension.
    In Catholicism, in contrast to Orthodoxy, there is a dogmatic concept of purgatory, as well as the doctrine of the super-merit of the saints. (There were historical periods when the forgiveness of sins could be redeemed by money)
    In the Latin rite, a priest cannot be married (with the exception of rare, specially stipulated cases) and is obliged before ordination to take a vow of celibacy (the cause of relapse of pedophilia). And in the east, before the priesthood is accepted, a person has the right to either enter into a church marriage or take monastic vows.
    1. slovak
      slovak 13 February 2016 23: 23
      +1
      Between Catholic priests, the percentage of pedophiles is lower, as in other societies. The fact that they are often mentioned in Western media is because these media are anti-Catholic and the picture presented by them is not true, many imaginary cases did not exist. The problem was that in the United States, Catholic seminaries accepted men with homoserxual inclinations, contrary to the demands of the Vatican, and such men were usually pedophiles.
      If celibacy was the cause of pedophilia, then there is no reason for the existence of monasticism.
      The infallibility of the pope exists only in the realm of faith if he acts as a church teacher.
      Forgiveness of sins was never possible to redeem with money.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 February 2016 19: 28
    +1
    Quote: vladimirvn
    What states, that papa, are obsessed with the idea of ​​how to use Russians in their interests? And we need the legitimacy of our actions in the international arena, to restore authority at least at the USSR level.

    I explain for the minus one. The authority of the USSR and Russia in the world is incomparable if it is correct to compare different times. The USSR enjoyed the support of a good half of the countries of the world. Russia today, how many allies? The move to raise the image of Russia in the world through the idea of ​​protecting Christians is absolutely winning. If we enlist the support of this Catholic church, this will be a very serious achievement.
    1. onix757
      onix757 13 February 2016 19: 33
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Russia today how many allies?

      Russia nichr .., oh, has nothing but partners and a flimsy economy.
    2. Winter cherry
      Winter cherry 15 February 2016 10: 35
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      You say nonsense. Churches are not political and non-governmental organizations (in the Christian sense), they are spiritual shepherds and must take care of the salvation of the souls of their flock. The fact that the Catholic Church has become a branch of the CIA, and ours is trying to get used to it, speaks of the coming of the last times, when all the Churches will unite and worship the Antichrist. Atheists do not understand the meaning of the Church and consider them something like the Red Cross.
  • 1536
    1536 13 February 2016 20: 10
    0
    A strange meeting. It seems to me that, for the most part, everything there revolved around church property, well, or if you do not completely discard spirituality, about the feelings of Orthodox believers, about parishioners who essentially find themselves overnight in the occupied territories. Because the expansion of NATO is irreversible, and an increasing number of lands and states will join the Catholic-Protestant Europe, which were previously included in the sphere of vital interests of Russia and, consequently, the Russian Orthodox Church. Example Ukraine. Next will be Belarus. Bearing in mind the great love of the Roman Catholic Church for Adolf Hitler and his regime, we can confidently say on whose side this church will be in the emergence of inter-confessional conflicts between the Orthodox and the same Uniates. These are, of course, assumptions, but, in my opinion, this Pope was given to understand that in the taiga he should not meddle with his monastic charter. We are not going to crush churches and monasteries with them and these new "crusaders" will run into the fierce hatred of our people there. Will the Pope understand this "message" is a warning? And what will come of it all, wait and see.
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