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What new proposal for the restructuring of the Ukrainian debt did not accept Russia?

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Received its continuation история with a statement by IMF Managing Director Christine Lagard that Ukraine may not wait for the next tranche of financial assistance from the International Monetary Fund. The argument of Ms. Lagarde was about the following: Petya, Senya, where are the promised reforms? .. The continuation of the story is that a similar question to the representatives of the Ukrainian authorities is asked not only in the International Monetary Fund, but also in the camp of Ukraine’s European partners, just yesterday, together with Mrs. Lagarde, they were enraptured with the plans for Ukrainian reform.


One of the questioners is Germany. Yes, against the background of embraces opened in the direction of refugees from Africa and the countries of the Middle East, the old woman-chancellor still remembered that the anniversary of the Minsk agreements was “celebrated” these days, and that the second anniversary of “peremogi for Maidan. Ukrainian anniversaries sneak up unnoticed — one by one — and the squeaky cart of Kiev, not only does not move forward, also strives to roll back antidemocraticly. Frau Merkel and a number of other German officials, such a situation with Ukraine and its zombie economy is clearly beginning to strain.

This week it became known that Germany explained to Ukraine on its fingers that the 3 billion-dollar debt to Russia is not just another Maidan toy. Debts must be returned, otherwise no one will give more in debt. It turned out that the German Finance Ministry, led by the gray cardinal of modern German politics, Wolfgang Schäuble, acted as a kind of mediator in the dispute between Russia and Ukraine over the repayment of debt. Schäuble made his Ukrainian counterpart, Natalya Yaresko, a business proposal. The point is that Ukraine should present the conditions of restructuring to which the lender agrees to the creditor (Russia).

What new proposal for the restructuring of the Ukrainian debt did not accept Russia?


It should be recalled that by that time, Ukraine, represented by Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, offered Russia the following option of "restructuring": 20% write off immediately, and defer the remaining payments and stretch it to 2019. Moreover, Kiev called the writing off of 20% of debt the main “condition”, not especially, apparently, taking care that the debtor does not have to issue this condition.

Wolfgang Schäuble tried to explain this fact to the Ukrainian Panopticon, and it turned out that Mrs. Yaresko offered Russia some restructuring options. There is no exact data on which options Kiev was offered, however, from the statements of the Deputy Minister of Finance of Russia Svetlana Nikitina, yet something became known. There is information that the Ukrainian side has declared its readiness to fulfill credit obligations to the Russian Federation. But ... in the event that Russia abandons the definition of Ukrainian debt as a sovereign (state) and translates it into private debt status.

Well, this is a purely Ukrainian (Maidan) logic: obligations on private debts may not be regulated by the IMF, and therefore you (Russia) recognize our debt as private, Lagard will give us a new loan, and then we will pay you, honest word, all

The fact that this is a clumsy “divorce” was once again confirmed by the aforementioned Wolfgang Schäuble. After all, Schäuble is well aware of the fundamental differences between public debt and private debt. Well, this is well known, I must say, not only Schäuble ... As soon as Russia allows the transfer of Ukrainian debt to private status, fanfare will blow in Kiev and they will write out an indulgence to themselves that now it’s possible not to repay the debt - let Yanukovich say , repays - you are (Russia) recognized ...

But the disappointment for Ukraine is that Russia did not change its debt status, and therefore the new version of “restructuring in Ukrainian” loudly covered itself with a copper basin.

And after that, they began to realize in Kiev that if a gray-haired uncle did not come to the rescue from behind a puddle, then the IMF can really kick off the Ukrainian economy without allocating the next tranche to it. Mandrazh Ukrainian authorities added the German press, which is already openly writes that it is time to change the government of Yatsenyuk.

So, Deutsche Welle publishes a material that states that the resignation of Ukraine's Minister of Economic Development, Aivaras Abromavicius, and his statements about the corruption of government officials, are a signal to the need to "reformat the Ukrainian government." It's an amazing thing, but in the Western media, managing to confuse the geographical coordinates of Kiev and Ulan Bator, they know very well who Abromavicius is, and that this Abromavicius said ...

From the material DW:
The Ukrainian government is losing support in the Verkhovna Rada, which is necessary for making decisions. As the leader of the Petro Poroshenko Bloc faction Yuriy Lutsenko told 8 in February, three coalition factions are speaking for the change of the current Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk (talking about BPP, Batkivshchyna and the Samopomich party).


German media emphasize that only the Popular Front of Yatsenyuk himself is against the resignation, and that’s not all. But about what the "Popular Front" has to do with the Ukrainian people - today, perhaps, neither Yatsenyuk nor the people themselves will say ...

Realizing that the West is now able not only to nullify Yatsenyuk, declaring his work a failure, but also really squeezing money for regular loans, in Kiev they made an attempt, as one famous saying goes, “to change beds”. In Kiev, they said that they were ready to sign a memorandum with the IMF, but immediately tried to put forward conditions: not to touch the cabinet in its current form, and not to irritate Yatsenyuk with statements that he was everything ...

This is understandable, since Yatsenyuk was not at his current post with his own forces — a good overseas uncle sat him in an armchair, and therefore it was his uncle who was ready to give his protege a chance to continue plundering Ukraine. Why - looting? Because the Ukrainian memorandum with the IMF is a plunder in its pure form, as the government in this case undertakes to reduce social spending, turn up tariffs, raise the retirement age, make cuts in the public sector, work on reducing the share of free education. Officially, everything is done to save budget funds, to pay off IMF loans. But in fact, when the retirement age is raised, the social sphere will be cut down - will the money saved on the Ukrainian people go to payments through the IMF? No, of course - they will go into the business of the gray-haired uncle and in the pockets of his appointees and individual oligarchs who have seized upon power.

And is the IMF, in which, by the way, Russia is ready, to allocate funds to Ukraine for such needs?
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  1. Sensatus
    Sensatus 12 February 2016 06: 33 New
    31
    Ukraine has one suggestion: forgive the old debt and give more.
    1. pest
      pest 12 February 2016 06: 51 New
      11
      Krajina needs to be presented with one machine, which was previously sold in the circus during the intermission, consisting of two rollers, with a twist handle, as for wringing out the laundry after washing. The meaning of the typewriter - on one side you thrust a white piece of paper, twist the handle, on the other side the gold piece comes out. Such cars were well bought by lovers of freebies and suckers. I think Svidomo really needs it now.
      1. Tali necos
        Tali necos 13 February 2016 08: 22 New
        +3
        Lipo is not ....?
    2. IrOqUoIs
      IrOqUoIs 12 February 2016 06: 59 New
      +7
      No, and money and chairs - in the evening.
      Freaks, scattered a rake in their field and rushing about it, periodically, but regularly, getting on the forehead.
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 12 February 2016 08: 14 New
        +3
        we have already forgiven so much money for these spinogryzers that it will be enough for 3 Crimea ... then let them drive us 20 percent of the Donbas ...
        1. Bath
          Bath 12 February 2016 08: 29 New
          23
          I don’t know, Ukrainians agreed with Sberbank 25% Sberbank wrote them off, because this good soul is Gref for everything (bros), but try to restructure the mortgage currency)))
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 12 February 2016 09: 09 New
            29
            Quote: Bath
            I don’t know, Ukrainians agreed with Sberbank 25% Sberbank wrote them off, because this good soul is Gref for everything (bros), but try to restructure the mortgage currency)))


            Moreover, the conditions accepted by Gref FULLY correspond exactly to those ukrainian conditions that are indicated by the author at the beginning of the article - 25% of the debt and the maturity are written off before 2019. Gref gave UK.ram almost 100 million (these 25%) angry
            By the way, Putin publicly ordered Ulyukaev to sue Ruin for non-payment of 3 billion of debt. STILL-nobody moved-What kind of wildness? belay
            1. Kent0001
              Kent0001 12 February 2016 16: 42 New
              +6
              It also puzzles me. What game is this? And is it being conducted at all.
          2. Koshel2901
            Koshel2901 12 February 2016 10: 36 New
            10
            C *** this Gref
            1. Gormenghast
              Gormenghast 12 February 2016 11: 48 New
              +4
              C *** this Gref


              Sodomite, as stated by GlavGey Alekseev in 2013 live.
          3. not main
            not main 12 February 2016 23: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Bath
            I don’t know, Ukrainians agreed with Sberbank 25% Sberbank wrote them off, because this good soul is Gref for everything (bros), but try to restructure the mortgage currency)))

            And they offer me a loan at 20,5%, now it is clear what costs I have to cover!
          4. KVS
            KVS 12 February 2016 23: 54 New
            +2
            Yes Gref himself has long been necessary to restructure !!!
          5. ltc22A
            ltc22A 14 February 2016 11: 14 New
            0
            Well, firstly: "Sberbank of Russia is a Russian commercial bank. The full name is public joint-stock company Sberbank of Russia" and not a state one.
            Secondly: Russia allocated 3 billion to Ukraine by buying Eurobonds "Ukraine issued Eurobonds for $ 20 billion on December 2013, 3 with maturity in 2015 and a coupon rate of 5%. The securities were sold at a price of 100% of par with a yield of 5% The placement was organized by VTB Capital. The private placement of bonds with a par value of $ 200 thousand was carried out on the Irish Stock Exchange. The start date of coupon accrual was set on December 24, coupon payment will be made twice a year. The bonds are scheduled to be redeemed on December 20, 2015.
            RIA Novosti Ukraine.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 12 February 2016 09: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: Sensatus
      Ukraine has one suggestion: forgive the old debt and give more.

      Well, it worked with Sberbank ...
      Terms of the previously reached agreement between the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine and Sberbank of Russia on the restructuring of loans issued to Ukravtodor and KB Yuzhnoye named after Yangelya ", provide, in particular, writing off 25% of the debt.
      write-off of the nominal value of the debt, i.e. $ 91,8 million, extended maturity - until September 1, 2019
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 12 February 2016 19: 31 New
        +1
        I found something else: the Sberbank press service denied this information. According to the source, the bank is not going to write off 25% of the debt to Ukrainian companies.

        so you have to take a look.
        http://finobzor.ru/show-6077-sberbank-otkazalsya-spisyvat-dolg-ukraine.html
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    5. Navy7981
      Navy7981 12 February 2016 11: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Sensatus
      Ukraine has one suggestion: forgive the old debt and give more.

      and again forgive and give again ...
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      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 12 February 2016 13: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Navy7981
        Quote: Sensatus
        Ukraine has one suggestion: forgive the old debt and give more.

        and again forgive and give again ...

        Yes, excuse me. Just give it all, otherwise ....... One word is impudent.
  2. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 12 February 2016 06: 34 New
    +9
    This talking room, to put it mildly, got it! From all sides you can hear that it is so no way, money must be given, not giving is not good. Default where and where is Seni-Petit's money?
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 12 February 2016 09: 09 New
      +2
      The trick is that the IMF can not put much pressure on Ukraine, otherwise it will be offended and declare a moratorium on the money that it has already received from the IMF.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 12 February 2016 16: 27 New
        +4
        The loan given by the Russian Federation to Ukraine contains a "gasket" in the form of an independent, trust, English company. She is the first to start the procedure for repaying the loan. This company (I do not remember the name) is the most successful in "knocking out debts" in the world. The reputation, as they say, is one of the best. Now let's see how these British are independent from the policy of their state.
        Ukraine has taken a big hit - except for the IMF and the same people who are dependent on Western politicians, now there is nowhere to wait for help. Who will give, even if the Russian Federation was thrown, if they want to expose the sovereign debt as commercial - there are no stupid bankers and investors ?! Thus, the Kiev authorities cut themselves off - neither the Chinese, nor the Indians, nor the Europeans, no one will give money. Especially private investments. hi
        Ukraine will not "write out" the IMF moratorium - it is under the control of the owner of the Kiev authorities.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 12 February 2016 16: 56 New
          +2
          Generally speaking, all the "leading" countries live in debt (Japan, the USA, etc. have huge debts). And now it turns out that trust in the world. fin. system is undermined (because it, the world. financial system, created by them), because based on credits (trust). But now how to trust if they themselves prevent the return of the loan? They spat on the foundations of their system - the reason why the PRC, RF, RK, etc. buy gold and other dredges. met .. We need our own world currency, the Chinese are already on the move. To do this, it is necessary to build a self-sufficient economy, so that many "products and goods" are produced at home - so that there is little to buy abroad. And then you can "TRADE". And let this EU buy raw materials away from us - I'll see who will be competitive later, who will have better price-quality. We are able to reset their agriculture to zero - they will have nowhere to sell their products - we will interrupt in quality and price (we will simply crush them in natural and scale - let them go broke on subsidies). These western farmers are now growing up. sanctions, think about the construction of production here. hi
          1. opus
            opus 13 February 2016 00: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Kasym
            Generally speaking, all the "leading" countries live in debt (Japan, USA, etc. have huge debts)

            and you did not think who the creditor?
            Land over $ 55 billion billion.360 ≈ less than $ 000 / per capita
            (not only "leading" but also "non-leading" live in debt)


            World Debt Levels


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            Best of all USA:

            The US can issue Treasury bonds at 0,5% and invest in its economy at 1,5-3%, or lend to another power at 5-8%, for example. The main thing is to return the debts. And don't forget that US debt is in its OWN currency, as opposed to most other countries.

            Quote: Kasym
            These western farmers are now growing up. sanctions, think about the construction of production here.

            do not make me laugh....
  3. avvg
    avvg 12 February 2016 06: 39 New
    +5
    They say correctly that they ask for a loan, follow them, but how to repay, the debtor must be looked for. I have great doubts that the "dill" will return the debt, even Europe cannot force them.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 February 2016 08: 28 New
      +7
      Quote: avvg
      I have great doubts that the "dill" will return the debt, even Europe cannot force them.

      Sovereign debt is not "thu" for you. It has no statute of limitations. If not the current one, then the next government will pay.
      1. opus
        opus 13 February 2016 13: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Sovereign debt is not "thu" for you. It has no statute of limitations. If not the current one, then the next government will pay.


        1. Italy Americans written off 80% of external debt
        2. England stopped paying US debt in the 30s. She paid off her debt for World War II in 2006.
        3. Russia has not yet paid off its lend-lease debt.

        23 billion dollars (including interest) is an estimated "gold deposit" sent by the Russian Empire to the United States for the purchase of weapons and gunpowder in December 1915 - November 1916 (no deliveries were made). British banks have held $ 1914 billion worth of Russian gold since 50 - it was handed over as a loan guarantee for the purchase of military equipment, which was never delivered. There is $ 25 billion worth of gold in the National Bank of France - it was transferred under the same conditions as to the United States and Britain. Up to $ 80 billion (of course, also taking into account interest) lies tsarist and Kolchak gold in the banks of Japan.


        Estimated British agency Pinkerton, Russia entitled to claim gold assets with a total value of up to $ 100 billion, as well as real estate abroad with a total value of up to $ 300 billion ...

        Modern Russia is not trying to claim the foreign assets of the Russian Empire
        But....? "HOWEVER HELLO"!
        In 2000, Russia finished paying off the tsarist debts to French holders of pre-revolutionary bonds, giving them $ 400 million. I might not have given. The Russian Federation is by no means a legal successor to the Russian Empire, it is enough that the RF took upon itself the payment of the external debt of the entire USSR.
        But ... but in 1986, Mikhail Gorbachev, really wanting to please Europe, signed an agreement with Margaret Thatcher to pay small compensation to private holders of old Russian bonds - about 10 percent of the total cost. After that (purely in Gorbachev's way) "the process began."

        Last week government of Belgium declared its intention to demand payment from Russia one and a half billion euros in tsarist debts... The country has announced a census of all holders of government securities of the Russian Empire, as well as owners of real estate confiscated by the Bolshevik government.
        1,5 billion euros - this is 10 percent of the total losses suffered by Belgian companies and individuals from the revolutionary coup in Russia in 1917 and the refusal of the Soviet government to compensate investors for losses.
    2. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 12 February 2016 10: 34 New
      +4
      Ukraine will delay with debt. Gazprom will supply them with gas for at least three more years.

      https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=1prime.ru/energy/20160212/823585616.htm
      l & lang = ru & lr = 6
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 12 February 2016 06: 39 New
    +9
    No, of course - they will go into the business of the gray-haired uncle and into the pockets of his proteges and individual oligarchs who have grabbed hold of power. ..Perhaps I’m wrong .. but what I noticed .. when the IMF allocated money to Ukraine .. real military operations began against the LPNR .. The trenches were not only plundered .. but they also went on to finance military operations ..
  5. Amurets
    Amurets 12 February 2016 06: 41 New
    +4
    Another Russian divorce on the grandmother fails, and if the BRICS rears its hind legs and blocks loans for Dill and the gray-haired uncle.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 February 2016 06: 51 New
      +3
      Another Russian divorce on the grandmother fails, and if the BRICS rears its hind legs and blocks loans for Dill and the gray-haired uncle.

      The collapse of the state with the money of the same state is a favorite method
      The USA ... they like to destroy the natives themselves by the natives themselves.
      I am glad that in RUSSIA they finally understood this.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 February 2016 07: 49 New
        28
        Beads ... and again these mysterious beads. A means of communication? Amulet? System "Own-Alien" or something else what
        1. Michael easily
          Michael easily 12 February 2016 08: 06 New
          +1
          Banal chipization ...
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 12 February 2016 08: 15 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Beads ... and again these mysterious beads. A means of communication? Amulet? System "Own-Alien" or something else

          Rather, the liquidation system: The head from the shoulders said the wrong thing!
        3. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 12 February 2016 08: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Beads ... and again these mysterious beads. A means of communication? Amulet? System "Own-Alien" or something else

          Rather, Ukraine changed its sovereignty for these beads, but for beads and a neck in the load. The United States has not forgotten how to deal with the natives.
        4. Executer
          Executer 12 February 2016 09: 04 New
          0
          Chef, is something going crazy for you? ... lol
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        6. ostrom
          ostrom 12 February 2016 11: 48 New
          +2
          It's all together: Amulet, friend or foe. In the "secret society of bead keepers" :) But in essence, they really are all from one test tube. And their goal in the "sect" is one, not very specious: to create another "gabon" for experiments on the construction of a "new unreasonable person."
  6. SAM 5
    SAM 5 12 February 2016 06: 44 New
    +4
    Well hahly, well, shame, everywhere they are trying to set their own terms, although they are sitting head over heels in shit.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 12 February 2016 06: 45 New
    +4
    Whatever the proposal from the IMF or the Ruins, it will still be a failure for us. There are loan conditions, and they must be fulfilled. Our proposal for an installment debt secured by used Western owners was voiced. No other should follow. And the lack of money from the debtor has never bothered the lender, now it should not worry even more so.
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 12 February 2016 12: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      And the debtor's lack of money has never worried the creditor, now it should not worry all the more.

      Right! It's time to describe the property.
  8. izya top
    izya top 12 February 2016 06: 46 New
    16
    again I repeat request
    Well done Ukrainians. They did everything clearly, went to the Maidan, changed their ass on a gold toilet, filled up hundreds of monuments, called Putin, pumped up Crimea and Donbass, got so many loans that grandchildren could not work out, achieved a tariff increase of six times, repainted all outhouses to yellow-black and ..... happy parted, and who did not understand the essence of the maneuver - that padded jacket.
  9. 1536
    1536 12 February 2016 06: 51 New
    +7
    It is unclear why the "restructuring" of the Ukrainian debt is not linked by our government with political "restructuring". Donbass still lives in a state of siege. The status of the Russian language as a second language is simply forgotten in Ukraine itself, and the question is not even raised. Terrorists are attacking Crimea. And who directs them to these attacks and who can stop them overnight?
    But the "downshifter" wrote off 25% of the debt of some Ukrainian enterprises from the accounts of Sberbank into net debt. (It was transmitted this morning.)
    Is this just a game like this? And your "gray-haired" uncle is still banning? (I really don't understand who the "gray-haired" uncle is beyond the Ocean? If Obama, then he became "piebald" from smoking cigars, not gray-haired!) Three billion are most likely lost. So at least get involved in politics if you can't do anything worthwhile.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 12 February 2016 08: 27 New
      19
      I'm also wondering, is it for some kind of "merits" kaklam "Sberbank" wrote off 25% of the debt? While the same "Sberbank" strips off "three skins" from Russian debtors with the help of collectors who do not hesitate to mercilessly burn debtors' children for the sake of "knocking out" even small debts? Immediately yesterday, modestly "with downcast eyes", they mentioned that Gazprom HAS AGREED to the discount on the gas price for Ukraine, which it asked for, and then, "turning away and looking at the ceiling," Gazprom promised that despite the termination of the contracts in 2016, he is OBLIGED to pump gas to Ukraine for another 3 years. How shoud I understand this? In Russia, however, they decided to raise the price of gas to consumers at first by 6,7%, and then, considering that it was "not enough" and "nodding to the" crisis, "they decided to stop at raising the price of gas by 13% - like the Russians are used It looks like the European Union and the United States are holding someone by the balls tightly in Russia, and we only talk about the fact that "well, that's all, in relations with Ukraine", but in fact they are doing everything possible to prolong the existence of the Ukrainian junta and at the same time not forgetting to "spread rot" to their people, who are already suffering from the crisis.
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 12 February 2016 06: 56 New
    +7
    But what about ours? They promised to sue before the end of January, and soon spring! Ukraine will continue to have a discussion, but such cases are decided in court. hi
  11. Wolka
    Wolka 12 February 2016 06: 59 New
    +3
    already tired of these Ukrainian beggars ...
  12. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 12 February 2016 07: 02 New
    +6
    Some kind of nervous Natalka in the photo. Yes, it is understandable, it works in Ukraine. And in Ukraine, as you know, they are not looking for easy ways. Simple as that: repay a debt. No, we need to complicate everything and make the brain out to everyone.
  13. sgg
    sgg 12 February 2016 07: 07 New
    +2
    It is necessary to send the prepared materials to the court for a long time and to crush the water in the mortar longer.
  14. Odysseus
    Odysseus 12 February 2016 07: 17 New
    +7
    All this, of course, is fine, but how to explain it?
    - Sberbank agreed to write off 25% of debt to Ukraine as part of the restructuring of loans issued to Ukrainian companies Ukravtodor and Yuzhnoye Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, Interfax reports.
    Head of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine Natalya Yaresko at a meeting of the Ukrainian government on Thursday said that Kiev had managed to reach appropriate agreements with the Russian side. The total amount charged will be $ 91.8 million.
    "We managed to negotiate with this lender [Sberbank] regarding the following conditions: the amount of debt is $ 367,4 million, 25% - write off the nominal value of the debt, that is $ 91,8 million, the repayment period continues until 1 September 2019 of the year and the new debt is issued by external bonds government loan and the corresponding issue of government derivatives, "she said.
    Perhaps there is some reasonable explanation, maybe someone in the know?
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 12 February 2016 07: 32 New
      +6
      Perhaps there is some reasonable explanation, maybe someone in the know?

      Gref.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 12 February 2016 07: 59 New
        +6
        Quote: SAM 5
        Gref.

        Gref Gref, but he does not live in an airless space. EMNIP 50% of Sberovsk shares + one belongs to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
        It is impossible to imagine that the state would not be aware of such transactions.
        1. 406ppm2gv
          406ppm2gv 12 February 2016 23: 06 New
          +1
          and approved such a deal.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 12 February 2016 07: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: SAM 5
        Perhaps there is some reasonable explanation, maybe someone in the know?

        Gref.

        ... adjusted for the last letter: "warming!" (those who are interested - to rummage through the interpretations of the prison-criminal jargon, "give a damn" in common parlance ...)
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 12 February 2016 07: 43 New
      +6
      An open enemy of Russia and the Russian people - Gref will pay these 25% out of his own pocket. laughing
      What is he all the same unprecedentedly disgusting non-human with filthy name!
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 12 February 2016 08: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Volzhanin
        What an unprecedentedly disgusting non-human he is

        I agree with this, but I have already written above to the respected SAM 5 - he does not live in an airless space.
        1. SAM 5
          SAM 5 12 February 2016 08: 18 New
          +1
          - He doesn’t live in an airless space.

          This is unfortunate.
  15. Toxic lemon
    Toxic lemon 12 February 2016 07: 18 New
    +4
    "Quilted jackets curses, give me pennies !!!!", this is so familiar.
  16. Stas157
    Stas157 12 February 2016 07: 22 New
    +2
    So it was immediately clear, from the very beginning, that this debt was problematic to return. They tried to use it as an instrument of influence on Ukraine. Russia could have claimed it for a long time, when the debt reached over 50% of Ukraine's GDP, but Putin said he would not do this, because he understands that Ukraine is tight. It is quite possible that there were some agreements, for example, so as not to turn off the electricity to Crimea.
  17. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 12 February 2016 07: 23 New
    -1
    here shooters again - Chairman of the public movement "Novorossiya" Igor Strelkov believes that soon Turkey will begin an invasion of Syria, which could turn into a war against Russia. Moreover, in the upcoming war, the politician predicts Russia's defeat.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 February 2016 07: 34 New
    +1
    I hope that there is a political decision not to make concessions to Ukraine anymore. Although there was information that Sberbank forgave Ukraine part of the debt from its loans. Sometimes you don’t understand what is happening in Russia. The state wants to repay the debt, others not only forgive, but also give. Complete leapfrog.
  19. engineer
    engineer 12 February 2016 07: 37 New
    +3
    give west money. they will not refuse to support the Banderlog. and we need to strictly demand the fulfillment of the terms of the loan. and not make concessions.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 February 2016 07: 41 New
    +1
    That `s all right. People came to earn money.
    In fact, Ukraine is now at a dead end.
    It is only allowed to fight with Russia and do nasty things to it.
    This automatically pulls a decline in relations with the CIS as a whole.
    Moreover, it’s also impossible to work in favor of Ukraine,
    since in power all people are bonded.
    And it turns out that Ukraine will flounder,
    but with no chance to swim out. She will flounder
    for a long time, because the country is with potential and considerable.
  21. bandabas
    bandabas 12 February 2016 07: 44 New
    +5
    And I just read on Rambler about another duty. "The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine agreed with Sberbank to write off part of the debt of two state-owned companies

    The Ukrainian government and Sberbank of Russia were able to agree on the cancellation and restructuring of debts of Ukrainian state-owned companies Ukravtodor and CB Yuzhnoye. It is reported by the Ukrainian edition "Segodnya".

    “We managed to agree with this creditor (Sberbank of Russia. - RNS) on the following conditions: the amount of the debt - $ 367,4 million, 25% - writing off the nominal value of the debt, that is, $ 91,8 million, the extension of the maturity - until September 1, 2019 and registration of a new debt with bonds of an external government loan and a corresponding issue of government derivatives, ”said Yaresko /

    Earlier in January, the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine announced that it had reached an agreement in principle on the restructuring of the debts of these state-owned companies. “At whose expense the banquet? request
    1. VeterS
      VeterS 12 February 2016 08: 02 New
      +4
      Why be surprised !? Who is the owner of Ukraine's finance and Sberbank? Who is this one-man but "mysterious" gray-haired guy from across the ocean? That's it!
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 12 February 2016 08: 03 New
      +2
      By the way. Today, in my commentary, the Russian flag was replaced by the state one. Not understood. Hey admins! I do not live near Alaska what
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    4. RUSS
      RUSS 12 February 2016 09: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: bandabas
      And I just read on Rambler about another duty. "The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine agreed with Sberbank to write off part of the debt of two state-owned companies

      This news was only yesterday afternoon, the most interesting thing is that there is not a word about this on the news on central channels .... but half an hour in the news about migrants in Europe!
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 12 February 2016 09: 55 New
        0
        Yesterday I worked. Something like this.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 February 2016 07: 55 New
    +2
    The Ukrainians will not repay the debt - there is nothing. They will not be able to restructure. For those who don’t know. The hryvnia is supported by draconian measures absolutely unthinkable in our country. Mandatory sale of foreign currency by exporters (75%), lack of exchange sale of foreign currency, the NBU periodically speculates on the Interbank market. Well, they throw in verbal interventions about waiting for the next tranche, which goes to feed the gold reserves. And as soon as the population understands that there will be no more trenches, panic is guaranteed. And in Dill, ALL prices are very sensitive to the course. Because, like in our country in the early 90s, we strive to make any savings in foreign currency.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 12 February 2016 08: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Ukrainians will not give up debt-nothing.

      Well, in the event of a default in Ukraine and in court in one form or another, these funds can be returned.
      Another thing is that the West will do everything possible to prevent this — their general idea is to maintain a hostile Russia of Maidan Ukraine at the expense of Russia itself.
  23. hartlend
    hartlend 12 February 2016 08: 27 New
    0
    And the headline of the article is a curve and the content is about nothing. A lot of words, the essence is lost between words.
  24. aba
    aba 12 February 2016 08: 30 New
    0
    I wonder what Ukraine will give it ?! It's not fat ...
  25. evil partisan
    evil partisan 12 February 2016 08: 33 New
    +1
    It’s interesting: what did you do with this woman in childhood, what did you frighten with so much that she was so scary right now? what
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 12 February 2016 09: 16 New
      0
      Work for a year or two as a financier, it won't skew so much.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 12 February 2016 11: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      It’s interesting: what did you do with this woman in childhood, what did you frighten with so much that she was so scary right now?

      Nothing))) It's just that after the dollars, she won't get used to the new hryvnia
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 12 February 2016 13: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        after dollars, she won't get used to the new hryvnia

        laughing
        good
  26. Kum
    Kum 12 February 2016 08: 45 New
    +1
    This is the logic of a typical Ukrainian thief. Tomorrow, instead of Poroshenko, some Petushenko will come, on the wave of the new Maidan, which they love to arrange in Ukraine and will again refuse to pay the debts ... This is the whole essence of Ukraine ... UkrNeft, UkrGaz, UkrKrym, UkrDonbas
    s, everything was stolen and everything is not enough ... In Ukraine, they erected monuments like the heroes of Ukraine, and among them there are only bandits and terrorists: Bandera, Mazepa, Petlyura, Dudayev ... only a monument to Hitler's Gauleiter Erich Koch remains, he also fought the communists ... But this is still ahead for Ukraine ...
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 12 February 2016 12: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Qum
      a monument to Hitler's Gauleiter Erich Koch put

      Kum what for you put this face on display here? At least I painted on the horns
  27. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 12 February 2016 08: 51 New
    +1
    I quote: Schäuble made a business proposal to his Ukrainian colleague Natalya Yaresko. The point is that Ukraine must submit to the creditor (Russia) such restructuring terms as the creditor agrees to. I never cease to be amazed at the insight of Herr Schäuble, Karl Marx is direct. , Knowing firsthand the German way of communicating still I think. that the quote is incomplete. Because following the general German logic of expressing his thoughts, Schäuble must have added, like, and such restructuring conditions to which the creditor will NOT agree Ukraine should NOT
  28. Executer
    Executer 12 February 2016 09: 07 New
    +2
    I read it, though diagonally ...
    And something did not meet this filthy surname anywhere - A. Siluanov.
    He, the bastard, is going to sabotage a direct order from the President for a long time? am
  29. boris-1230
    boris-1230 12 February 2016 09: 17 New
    +1
    Politics is a dirty business. They teach us patriotism, but it is not clear what logic they follow, they forgive debts to Ukraine. For us personally, this is betrayal and humiliation.
  30. Scud
    Scud 12 February 2016 09: 29 New
    +1
    Dill is a battering ram across Russia directed by amerikos and geyrope. Therefore, the financing of this ram will continue further. The debt of the Ukropov scum will not give Russia back.
    1. Kum
      Kum 12 February 2016 09: 50 New
      0
      Judging by the latest events, the West was disappointed with dill. Dill steals a lot and does not want and can not fight. For the role of the new fighter against Russia, they chose the living dead Erdagon, who had a Monday and a half left to live, and the terminally ill old man decided that it was better to die for the company with all of Turkey ... In the event of a war, there are two options: 1) Putin will not use nuclear weapons against Turkey, then NATO will probably intervene, the Russian army will be defeated and the West, as a winner, will dictate extremely harsh conditions to the Russian Federation. But in this case, Putin and his ministers will lose power, the people drowning in the blood of the Russian army and the war lost, the people will not forgive Putin and he is waiting for the rope of Hussein, or the basement of Nicholas II. 2) Putin will deliver a massive nuclear strike against Turkey, with cruise missiles with tactical nuclear warheads. In this case, Turkey withdraws from the war immediately, having suffered huge losses and having lost the ability to wage war. The West, watching with horror the ruins of the dying Ankara, will not dare to attack the Russian Federation. Yes, they will raise a howl, they will announce sanctions, but they will not dare attack. Putin, as the winner of Turkey, retains power in the Russian Federation and, probably, Donbass is part of the Russian Federation. Poroshenko in this case will not even dare to stutter about the war, and the West will not interfere.
    2. lion1980
      lion1980 14 February 2016 00: 50 New
      0
      They will give everything to the penny. Money is given under the guarantee of very reputable Irish banks. At stake is the reputation of these banks, which they will not risk.
  31. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 12 February 2016 09: 49 New
    +1
    I looked more closely at the photo of Mrs. Jaresko with a group of gentlemen in the background. Her face is terrified. The impression is that these mischievous girls showed the poor lady a spider, or what is more terrible for her, for example, showed the MUCH, which she, due to her employment on the basis of Ukraine, forgot what she looks like.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 12 February 2016 10: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      I looked more closely at the photo of Mrs. Jaresko with a group of gentlemen in the background. Her face is terrified

      She doesn’t care, she has an American passport.
  32. wandlitz
    wandlitz 12 February 2016 10: 11 New
    0
    There is information that the Ukrainian side announced its readiness to fulfill credit obligations to the Russian Federation. But ... in the event that Russia refuses to define Ukrainian debt as sovereign (state) and transfers it into private debt status.
    There is already an example of private debt ... This is a debt to Sberbank of Russia. Our "glorious savings bank" has already agreed on a later date for the payment of the debt.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 12 February 2016 10: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: wandlitz
      There is already an example of private debt.

      Can I tell you the "three differences"? Excuse me:

      - Sber debt was issued in the 2011 year (!) to Ukravtodor and Yuzhmash. The total amount of more than $ 0.5 billion.
      - this debt, by definition, was originally "private". And almost hopeless already (where is Yuzhmash now, you probably know ... well, and Ukravtodor - it's about the same place).
      - As a result, 25% of the debt was written off, the remaining 75% was transferred under state security (UkrotsennymiBumumami). That is, in fact, they changed the status of debt from private to sovereign, no?

      Here is such a "sad" story .. yes
  33. Bath
    Bath 12 February 2016 10: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Aleksander
    Gref gave ukram almost $ 100 million (this 25%) angry

    Quote: IrOqUoIs
    No, and money and chairs - in the evening.
    Freaks, scattered a rake in their field and rushing about it, periodically, but regularly, getting on the forehead.

    Amazed by your optimism
  34. xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 February 2016 11: 16 New
    +2
    And in 2013, any sensible politician understood that even if Yanuca had remained in power, Ukraine would not give these 3 billion. If only not so clearly. You have heard more than once that the Russian Federation has given Belarus another loan. And about the return of money back?
  35. triglav
    triglav 12 February 2016 11: 17 New
    0
    The IMF must understand that Ukraine will not return the money. Into it like a bottomless barrel ...
  36. iouris
    iouris 12 February 2016 11: 41 New
    +2
    This power will not be able to pay debts; it is set up to make debts and to sell the country for nothing.
    Kiev will receive money as needed, but only for the war against.
  37. WHITE CAT
    WHITE CAT 12 February 2016 11: 42 New
    +1
    And again, the beads ..... Everything is clear: they do not know about the loan repayment, you need to ask at the office ....
  38. mr.grin19z
    mr.grin19z 12 February 2016 11: 44 New
    +1
    how much audacity to even be surprised already
  39. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 February 2016 11: 52 New
    +1
    Ukrainian Memorandum with the IMF = Buying Manhattan for a bead. laughing
  40. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 12 February 2016 12: 08 New
    +1
    Nothing new. The West wants Russia to pay for the unrighteous deeds committed by the West. Thus, they want to economically suppress Russia. Their gut is thin in order to fight with our country on the battlefield. And they are aware of this.
  41. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 February 2016 12: 09 New
    +1
    and already Ms. Yaresko, as it turned out, offered Russia some restructuring options.


    A hedgehog in her bosom. She got the sly pai of the Merikatosk with her stupidity. angry
  42. Jackking
    Jackking 12 February 2016 12: 16 New
    0
    even after the tariff increase, the cost of electricity in Ukraine is 3 times cheaper than ours. And there is no gas in Ukraine, and coal is obtained from South Africa. The question is - surely Yatsenyuk is worse than Medvedev?
  43. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 12 February 2016 12: 26 New
    0
    Hopefully, from this deal between Sberbank and Ukraine, Russia got at least something from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. And so, everything is disgusting.
  44. ljvjdbr
    ljvjdbr 12 February 2016 12: 50 New
    0
    They are cunning, they are wise, they want to deceive.
  45. 1234567890
    1234567890 12 February 2016 14: 46 New
    0
    Citizens, are you not tired of talking about this former state?
  46. wei
    wei 12 February 2016 14: 54 New
    +1
    It is necessary to sell the debt to the jackals collectors (lovers of setting fire to children)
    and the treasury will be replenished and the crime will go away hi
  47. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 12 February 2016 16: 31 New
    0
    And what about skaklah about debts you can hear new? WHO WE SHOULD FORGIVE is their basic principle of negotiation. Point two: GIVE MONEY! Well, at least, but give!
  48. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 12 February 2016 17: 33 New
    +1
    Citizens, are you not tired of talking about this former state?
    1. This "former" state will survive for so long that some of us need to survive.
    2. In the news about this state you will find out such facts of the activity of domestic officials about which they are not particularly notified in the official media. Of course, there is little good in this, but discontent is accumulating. After all, the truth is somewhere!
  49. Jackking
    Jackking 12 February 2016 17: 54 New
    +1
    I like the backing track of my remarks on electricity, especially anonymity! If only someone would venture to write. what am I wrong ...
  50. Kazakh 14
    Kazakh 14 12 February 2016 18: 48 New
    +1
    It is high time to drive them into default, as much as possible with them.