The essence of the Russian world

Periodically, fortunately, not too often, one encounters statements in the style of “All Ukrainians are stupid”, accompanied by gloating and some unreasonable sense of superiority.

Accompanied by this cattle-gopnic is usually statements like "Russia should not help them" and "Let them die."

Let's start from afar. Are you a type very different from them? You did not have your Maidan in 1991 year? You do not profukali USSR for chewing gum and jeans? And how do you differ from those who profukal Ukraine for cookies and lace panties? You (or your parents) rode almost the same way as today's maydanutye. They demanded "We want to bleat like in the West!" And kilometer-long queues at McDonalds defended.

What, there was no desovietization and de-Stalinization in Russia? Until now, from time to time they want to tear down Lenin’s mausoleum.

Well, if the claims were made by the defenders of the White House in 1993 year. But I am familiar with a couple of them, these people silently collect the help of the militia of New Russia, and do not PR.

And all this trash, writing in the comments “Ukrainians are inferior” and sarcastic, “Why don't they rebel?”, In 1993, it jumped with chants “If the speaker is nonsense - vote Yes, Yes, No, Yes.” Even as jumped, "not freeloaders, and partners." And the money in the "MMM" carried, not a second I doubt.

And you had your own Poroshenko-Yeltsin boo, and your own voucher privatization (on which you were bred, like suckers, for greed), and much more. Even today, there are plenty of “crackers” and liberals-Westerners in Russia. Constantly someone ahejakatsya.

The driving force of the “revolution shit” in Ukraine was the youngsters by 18-25 years who have not seen the events of the year 1991 and know nothing about them. Therefore, they stepped on the same rake. In Russia, by the way, three years ago, in large quantities, on Maidan’s, at Bolotnaya, and near-football meat jumped “Who doesn’t jump, that hach”. It was? As it was! American zombie puppets are the same everywhere, according to the same training manuals.

In fact, Russians in Ukraine and Russia are very similar. Sorry, I'm not used to flatter anyone. The only difference is that there is Putin in Russia. But this, you see, is not your achievement, but your (and our) happiness.

Just when Putin became the head of the FSB in Russia, in Ukraine, the head of the SBU was the metrosexual (who made his fortune to cut the Soviet heritage) and Khoroshkovsky, the corrupt lackey of the Pindos Nalyvaychenko. Honor and praise to the Russian special services, shame and shame Ukrainian zadrodantsami.

Russians have wised up with 1991, you say. Yes, of course, smarter. But how much for this was needed unobtrusive explanatory work? All these Solovyovs, Starikovs, Kara-Murza, Logvinovs, Fursovs and many others. And they had the opportunity to print books, publish articles, appear on television.

And imagine a territory where nothing pro-Russian / pro-Soviet has appeared for decades. Censorship is such that I got on the central television only once (in fact, by chance), the same Ischenko also made it through with great difficulty, and many of ours never saw the airs at all. And the whole day, for years, for decades, “the RI is bad, the USSR is bad, the Russian Federation is bad, the Russians are bad, the communists are bad, only Bandera and Mazepa were patriots, but they were disturbed by the Muscovites”.

Vaughn, Belarusians are now also actively treated in a similar way - tales of the greatness of ON, “chases” and “Square Belarus”. But if there is no big Russia, then a small Belarus will be scrambled once or twice, as the Baltic border guards and proud Georgians devoured (who thinks that everything is fine in Lithuania, Estonia and Georgia, it’s not for me, but for the psychiatrist, I’m not I treat).

Those who declare "All Ukrainians support the junta, so they are not native to us" and rush to insults to the right and left - they objectively work for this very junta.

First, because they help to support the myths of the junta about “evil Moskals who hate Ukrainians”, they are a clear confirmation of these myths.

Secondly, because the Russian world is built on its help, this is one of its main ideas.

And its full in Ukraine. Thousands of people are sitting in prisons for their Russophilism, for their Russianness, they are even more fighting in the militia (after all, not only Donetsk residents are at war, but guys from all over Ukraine). And even more is in the internal occupation, under the daily threat of reprisals (dismissal, beating, kidnapping, torture, murder).

Thirdly, the screaming "hobla Nebrat" rowing one size fits all. And share the views of the junta.

Just imagine that you are pro-Russian / pro-Russian in Ukraine. And how will you perceive such screams? Not words of support, do not “hold on, brothers,” what people in occupation really need, but “die there, everything”. How will this contribute to the maintenance and growth of pro-Russian sentiment? And who after that is an evil idiot and enemy of the Russians?

I have always said, and I will repeat: Ukrainians and maydanutye are two different commonalities. You do not need to repel the Ukrainians (this is how American grant-eaters are actively doing without you), you need to help them to clear themselves of maydanut parasites. And when someone projects the second on the first and declares that maydanutye represent the opinion of all Ukrainians - he works for the Kiev occupation regime (they also constantly declare that they broadcast on behalf of all the "Ukrainians" Ukrainians).

And my attitude to such screamers will be appropriate. At the same time, I simply do not have time to figure out who is misguided and who is a sincere idiot. In terms of the result, there is no difference between them.

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[Trailer]

They say that someone told our genius brothers that under one of the monuments to Lenin there is a secret portal to the visa-free zone of the EEC. In fact, it turned out that under each monument to Lenin, Soviet evil geniuses hid a temporary funnel, which returns Ukraine back in time to the beginning of the 90's. And the more monuments to Lenin will be demolished, the stronger the influence of these funnels.

[Temples]

Let's start from afar. You type are very different from them?

Pisaka, why do you write in Russian, we are stupid, maydanut, well, and everything else that you wrote.
If so strong with words, go out and say it all to people in person. Do not hide behind the keyboard.

And there we look at the result.

At the same time, I just do not have time to figure out who is mishandled and who is sincere. In terms of the result, there is no difference between the two.

[vorobey]

Quote: Temples

Let's start from afar. You type are very different from them?

Pisaka, why do you write in Russian, we are stupid, maydanut, well, and everything else that you wrote.
If so strong with words, go out and say it all to people in person. Do not hide behind the keyboard.

And there we look at the result.

At the same time, I just do not have time to figure out who is mishandled and who is sincere. In terms of the result, there is no difference between the two.

Calm down the gracious sovereign ... with all due respect to Rogers, he only emphasized how stupid Ukrainians ...

smart learns from the mistakes of a neighbor - d urak on his ...

The appearance of such articles already indicates that the vector of society is changing ... don’t press it anymore;

[Pereira]

There is no difference between those who voted for Yeltsin in 1993 and Parashenko in 2014, except that for a decade our people have learned and come to their senses. And in Ukraine, public consciousness remained at the level of rally democracy. Therefore, our 90s return to them in all their terrifying beauty. Even worse. Everything that was prophesied twenty years ago for Russia (the collapse of the country, the civil war, impoverishment, the collapse of power, external governance, mafia wars, etc.) is accomplished in Ukraine.
The polar fox, who was walking towards us with terrifying adherence, went astray and made a nest with our little brothers. Something we scared him off, therefore not hopeless.

[SPACE59]

There are similarities, but at the same time a huge difference. Did we have something similar to Odessa and Mariupol, did we forbid Soviet symbols from us, did it scary veterans to go out in the streets with awards, and I still have a monument to Lenin in my city.

[Temples]

Calm down the gracious sovereign ... with all due respect to Rogers, he only emphasized how stupid Ukrainians ...

I am calm.
You will recall what happened in 91 and in 93 with us.
What did the inhabitants of the USSR vote in the spring referendum?
And at 93 who went out with chants?
The so-called "stars" danced and laughed with Yeltsin on the stages.
But these are only buffoons and jesters, and people had no time for dancing.
Someone survived as best they could.

You’re in the ears for a day, and you opened the mittens.

[Maksus]

But it wasn’t ... In 90, officers in St. Petersburg were NOT allowed to wear uniform on the street. And gangster Petersburg is almost a documentary. The author is right - we had a maidan, only the war was not in the Donbas, but in Chechnya, Transnistria, Tajikistan, Osh.

[Temples]

The revolution (or how you like the Maidan) we really had more than once in the last hundred years.
As soon as we were Russian, we remained.
And every trash renounced his Family, from the Motherland.

[SPACE59]

But it wasn’t ... In 90, officers in St. Petersburg were NOT allowed to wear uniform on the street. And gangster Petersburg is almost a documentary. The author is right - we had a maidan, only the war was not in the Donbas, but in Chechnya, Transnistria, Tajikistan, Osh.

That is, do you compare Donbass militias with Chechen terrorists? Are they equal for you?

And tell me, for what and who forbade wearing uniforms for officers in St. Petersburg? Of course, this was in 2001, I was just serving in those parts, and the officers calmly wore their uniforms.

[Alexey-74]

We were always different and under the Union they called us yami, of course not all, but many. In our dashing 90s we did not raise the national question, did not kill our people. did not renounce their Russian kind !!!! And always identified themselves RUSSIAN and no one else !!!

[Maksus]

And you know how hard it was to get citizenship to the family of a colonel who returned to Russia from Tajikistan, they didn’t leave, yeah ... Then nobody left in Central Asia abandoned. Many refugees (Russians, non-indigenous) are still huddled in shacks. And so yes, kind and every other thing.

[SPACE59]

Citizens are minusers, if you disagree with me in something, maybe try to express your point of view. It is very interesting to me where in my words there is an inaccuracy.

[Pereira]

Space, I did not minus, although I have something to object to. Take the cons more calmly. Remember that many are ready to blaze heaven over the rain.

[SPACE59]

Yes, I wasn’t nervous, I’m interested in the point of view of these citizens.

[Pereira]

Chechnya Grozny it was a Russian city. Chechens were sitting in the mountains.
Tens of thousands of missing Russians. Thousands of slaves in villages. This is abruptly Odessa and Mariupol. Don't you remember that?

[SPACE59]

Again, there seems to be a similarity, but if you look closely, there are completely different tragedies. Who killed whom in Ukraine, the Slavs of the Slavs. In Chechnya, it was different. And the Russians did not feel hatred towards anyone then, and even now we more or less relate to Ukrainians.

[alecsis69]

I completely agree. It is impossible to categorically draw a parallel between the war in Chechnya and the Donbass. And the point is not even who participated on a national basis, but what were the causes of the war. In the Donbass people protested against the state. coup and infringement of their rights, in particular linguistic, to require federalization. In response, troops were sent and began to kill. In Chechnya, they began to kill and declare independence, and troops were sent in response.

[inkass_98]

Quote: vorobey

with all due respect to Rogers

With all due respect to Skomorokhov, but someone again licked the article from someone very close to the test, up to "jeans and chewing gum": http://topwar.ru/90596-naskolko-ukraincy-russkie-analogiya-predatelstva. html
And on my own behalf I can say this time too - you don't have to row everyone with the same brush, especially Rogers, whose stigma is also in the cannon. It was he who at one time was the coordinator of the "orange maidan" of the times of Viktor "Fine" Yushchenko.
Now, far from the native land, he is trying to teach us what we have long passed.

[RUSS]

Quote: inkass_98

all the more so for Rogers, whose stigma is also in the gun. It was he who once was the coordinator of the "orange maidan" of the times of Viktor "the Beautiful" Yushchenko. Now, far from his native land, he is trying to teach us that we have long passed

Overstepped to know to be! Then I watch the nightingale sing!

[Sura]

With all due respect to Skomorokhov, but someone again licked the article from someone very close to the test, up to "jeans and chewing gum": http://topwar.ru/90596-naskolko-ukraincy-russkie-analogiya-predatelstva. html
And on my own behalf I can say this time too - you don't have to row everyone with the same brush, especially Rogers, whose stigma is also in the cannon. It was he who at one time was the coordinator of the "orange maidan" of the times of Viktor "Fine" Yushchenko.
Now, far from the native land, he is trying to teach us what we have long passed.

Well, how is it that when they pay, everything is in an accessible form http://mpsh.ru/242-ssha-vydelili-dengi-na-sverzhenie-putina.html

[Grandfather Luka]

And in his recent articles he subjected the Ukrainians to obstruction mercilessly, without looking Svidomo or not. What kind of change happened to him?

[SPACE]

Quote: vorobey

smart learns from the mistakes of a neighbor - d urak on his ...

In this context, this can be interpreted as, the younger brothers of the Ukrainians roamed the embrasure, i.e. caused foolishness for themselves and at the cost of their brain defended their older brother.
Z.Y. The article is true and the parallel is drawn precisely, even according to comments over three years, a dramatic change is visible, people are definitely getting smarter, but the Maidan, it’s bad without good, with one maidan the head was demolished, and the other one put in brains ...
History says that Ukrainians are brothers there too, and there are quite a few, but no one is immune from stupidity, in any case, everyone will answer.
In addition, Maidan is to some extent a consequence of 91x.

[vorobey]

Quote: SPACE

Ukrainians younger brothers wandered into the embrasure, i.e. caused foolishness for themselves and at the cost of their brain defended their older brother.

You are wrong ... the younger brother walked the same rake on the road ..

[SPACE]

It was not quite a joyful irony ... but as for the rake, the events in the swamp contradict you
Z.Y. And even now, not many have gone far from this rake, who don’t know the story, for those who repeat it in the worst case, what to do about generational change is the nature of life.

[Baikonur]

You type are very different from them? You did not have your maidan in 1991? You did not scam the USSR for chewing gum and jeans? And how do you differ from those who scoured Ukraine for cookies and lace panties?

Today is the second article with a similar statement !!!
I will answer: Quite different things !!! Absolutely different motivations and reasons! In 91 - against Hunchback! For freedom, real! Against the Iron Curtain! I really want to return now! (My personal opinion)
And in Ukraine - against Russia! For "friendship" with the Shakals and EUvRopo!

[Pereira]

In 91, in the fight against Humpback, they threw out a child along with water. It was too late to shoot the White House in 93. This had to be done in 91. We all shamed shamefully then.

[rvRomanoff]

The authors of these two articles simply started a banal hysteria. It just seemed to them, and to many of us, that there was a bad evil junta and a poor, kind, but patient and frightened people who would see and set the heat for the junta. But who could see, he already saw and asked. And for the rest - this is the choice of the majority, and they need to go through their nineties. That's what the authors confuse warm with soft.

[RUSS]

Quote: rvRomanoff

The authors of these two articles simply began a banal hysteria

Author Alexander Rogers can add a "guilt complex" to us?

[marl]

You type are very different from them? You did not have your maidan in 1991? You did not scam the USSR for chewing gum and jeans?

I didn’t expect from the author ... Why so, from a bad mind to a healthy one. Favorite formula of Ukraine - look at yourself.
Least of all people thought about "lace panties", chewing gum and pensions of $ 500 (there was no euro yet, and the dollar cost 68 kopecks). Chewing gum, by the way, even then chewed and walked in Levis, whoever wanted and could afford it. Tired of the elderly general secretaries burying one after another in the red, I wanted something new, heard enough about freedom and pluralism from the high congressional stands, believed. The union was ruined by joint efforts, the "parade of sovereignties", if you remember, began not from Russia, but from the Baltic states, further - more, "Belovezhskaya Pushcha" for three people and off they went. So, it is not necessary to blame everything on Russia. The 90s for the Russian Federation is like a rabies vaccine.
More, no, no - no Maidans. They took bread above the roof, fell to the bottom, but in 98 they knocked from below. Fell down again. And then, yes, lucky, a man came who ended the war and saved the country. And people, in the bulk, are grateful to this. All these parties on Bolotnaya and Ak. Sakharov, well, whoever wanted to, but the authorities did not doze and did not allow riots. You can hold a meeting, but without fanaticism, "onizhedeti" does not work here. The main thing is that there is nothing new there, except "the west will help us." Well, and how he helps, we all know.
And Ukraine is like a spoiled child who lingered in her teens. He thinks that he is smarter than everyone, he doesn’t listen to adults, and as he once again gets screwed up, adults are to blame right away. What prevented people from looking around, how did such maidans end for the nearest neighbors.

Quote: Baikonur

I will answer: Quite different things !!! Absolutely different motivations and reasons! In 91 - against Hunchback! For freedom, real! Against the Iron Curtain! I really want to return now! (My personal opinion)

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[Altona]

Quote: marna

Least of all people thought about "lace panties", chewing gum and pensions of $ 500 (there was no euro yet, and the dollar cost 68 kopecks). Chewing gum, by the way, even then chewed and walked in Levis, whoever wanted and could afford it. Tired of the elderly general secretaries burying one after another in the red, I wanted something new, heard enough about freedom and pluralism from the high congressional stands, believed. The union was ruined by joint efforts, the "parade of sovereignties", if you remember, began not from Russia, but from the Baltic states, further - more, "Belovezhskaya Pushcha" for three people and off they went.

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Yes, it was. The protest of Soviet society was against social stagnation and double morality, ideological inertia, which began to justify all the flaws of the leaders, who had everything great in everyday life. And these leaders began to "monetize" their administrative capabilities, fanning the society of "deficit and blat." They began to openly skimp on their position and destroy public morality with their philistine "truth." But from that time we learned a lesson that public protest is famously ridden by all kinds of demagogues and traitors, and they are forced to break the state machine entirely. It is good that in Russia management has great inertia and it is difficult to turn it over overnight.

[Grandfather Luka]

The main difference is that in Russia people did not look for the guilty on the side, in Ukraine, for example, and did not arrange a civil war. Everyone understood the degree of their own guilt for what was happening, saved the country, and straightened the situation in half with grief.
And now in the Ukraine, the rats have smelled a leak. So they think how to get off this trough more technically. Under the slogan "Not all Ukrainians are svidomye." Let's check each one. Including the author of this proclamation.

[Russiamoy]

who cares. the essence is one. the Americans in our country played 90 in one play and today in Ukraine another. I agree with the author. the truth is too emotional, but it also disturbs me when mud-spraying of an entire nationality begins here. and I’ll add that propaganda and ideological media work is a terrible force. and in general, how many Russians could express their will in the 90s? no. juggling at election commissions and so on and so forth. judging by the polls, Yeltsin lost in the last election and that. forgot everything that the people do not solve anything. although I don’t quite agree with the author, not everyone in Russia was buzzing and queuing up at McDonald’s, in the early 90s, only Muscovites were buzzing in Moscow. and wanted to live abroad with chewing gum jeans and Coca Cola. and we the rest of Russia were silent and no one asked us as in Ukraine.

[Alena Frolovna]

Yes, the iron curtain is needed so that the air in all directions of life is cleaner.
By the 91st year, everyone was really tired of Gorbachev. But:

1. Moscow and some visitors rode, the country continued to live in its own rhythm, as if saying: "Everything will change - there will be flour." But, as it turned out later, there was no flour. Those who needed to be tough and hard were suddenly blown away like a balloon;

2. The majority of our people, then still the people, were in favor of preserving the USSR, but no one listened to us;

3. jeans and chewing gum were needed at that time a small fraction of people, but the virus of consumerism and mischief was slowly capturing more and more people like octopus with its tentacles;

4. The shooting of the White House once and for all split the country and people not into two different camps, but into many small groups and groups, each of which was eager for power and did what it wanted, so Moscow got the full price for its nasty behavior.

Indiscriminately blaming all the inhabitants of Russia that we sold out for jeans and so on, for this you can get it: "- Here I am those who are sick of ..." (a phrase from the book "Povolniki")

The article left an unpleasant aftertaste, I would even say that it is disgusting: "Here I am so good, but you, you? .." Only one correct thought - you can not laugh at the sick, you can not condemn.

And about the patients - they themselves must cope with their disease, especially since everyone is sick: both old and small, only the stage of the disease is different.

[Blondy]

Without any stupid Ukrainians-a question that goes against the Ukrainian mentality. And why should Russia help Ukraine, despite ...?

[vorobey]

Quote: Blondy

And why should Russia help Ukraine, despite ...?

[NIKNN]

I am surprised that this is the second article today knocking out a tear for the poor ukrov, that suddenly we found ourselves in the role of giving alms at the crossroads leading to the EU ..., We chose ourselves and yes ... we didn’t interfere, and we will not. Black Sea dug, drip tunnel to USA. For what I ask the "relatives" of the traitors ... The man about the floor and the 51st state of the United States ...

[kos2910]

Quote: Temples

Pisaka, why do you write in Russian, we are stupid, maydanut, well, and everything else that you wrote.

In vain, you swear, I agree with Rogers, Russia has also been ill with this, only to a lesser extent and, I hope, has been cured - the doctors turned out to be good :)

[g1v2]

I am not an author, but what can I say? That maydown on the censor and you are twins - brothers? Or that we already had our own maidan on which WE ruined our country no worse than dill? Or recall how the monument to Dzerzhinsky fell? Who the fuck fell? Yeltsin or Pushkin or the Americans came? Ukraine is our crooked mirror - it shows how we were and how many remained. If you understand this, you will go to the next level and begin to understand what is happening around.

[Urals]

We are worth a lot! And now there is no such price in the world .. Have I been pissed off?

[A.Lex]

Just the 90s of the former Ukrainian SSR survived (unlike us) much calmer.

[Vend]

You did not scam the USSR for chewing gum and jeans? And how do you differ from those who scoured Ukraine for cookies and lace panties? You (or your parents) rode almost the same way as today's Maidanut.

Here it is not necessary. Economic problems should not be hung on ordinary people. Economic illiteracy of the authorities led to the impoverishment of the country. Using the miscalculations of the leadership of the USSR, Western intelligence services tore power from the people. There was no Maidan, no one killed for the fact that you want to live in Russia and think in your own way. Neither I nor my parents jumped. My father still keeps a party card, and I never voted for Yeltsin. I didn’t buy his abandoned party card. But he voted for Putin, all the time for Medvedev.

[polite people]

THE ESSENCE OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD IS FAITH !!! Faith in God! Belief that the Russian world, by the command of God, is the keeper of peace on the planet.

[iouris]

It is impossible to argue. But why did you write it here?

[Urals]

Quote: iouris

It is impossible to argue. But why did you write it here?

For people like you and the author of the article!

[Rokossovsky]

Rogers, as always, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Article plus!

[SPACE59]

I would say not an eyebrow, not an eye, but a part of the body lower than the lower back. It is strange that he did not compare Chechnya with the Donbass, in such an article it would look very suitable.

[sever.56]

Why did the author write all this? Is a normal person in Russia associates the PEOPLE of Ukraine with the Svidomo, Bandera power of Ukraine? Everyone sees what he wants to see.
But it is not necessary to recall our venal-gangster, bail-auction, voucher-privatization authorities of the nightmarish 90s. Thank God, we got rid of this, recovered, did not allow to tear apart and ruin Russia.
And the NORMAL citizens of Ukraine would like to wish a speedy deliverance from the Bandera-thieves of today's Ukraine and nationalists.
For the citizens of Russia, the Ukrainian authorities, and normal Ukrainians who are not “svidomye,” have never been the same.

[max2215]

But it is not necessary to recall our venal-gangster, bail-auction, voucher-privatization authorities of the nightmarish 90s. Thank God, we got rid of it, recovered, did not allow to tear apart and ruin Russia

Your words, yes to God’s ears, have changed, but very few, I would say that has settled down. In fact, it’s easier, yesterday’s brother, to enter power, gather like-minded people around you and calmly cut the budget, receive kickbacks (what, have kickbacks been canceled?), Etc. Yes, 90 ridiculous remained in the past, but they continue to rob us, now legally, of course we should not compare us with the outskirts, and many good people who are close to us in spirit remained there, as well as in Uzbekistan, in the Baltic states, what can I say, everyone knows where. And there they are both spread rot and spread rot, and you say Ukraine, Ukraine is in full view.
And they will spread rot until we become strong again, and with the oligarchic-thieving power this is unlikely to be balanced between the country and America ...

[sds87]

I completely agree. Precisely, that "settled down". But it looks like it is starting to go crazy again, judging by the news from different regions of Russia: showdowns of armed bandits, racketeering, constant robberies of banks and jewelry stores ... On the roads in remote places, you can again run into bandits on wheels. A friend of mine and Ryazan a year ago barely escaped from the bandits near the border with Belarus. I barely managed to get to the police station. Russia is rapidly going back to the 90s.

[jPilot]

I agree, but I would like to add. Firstly: the negative about which the author writes comes from people who are far from being "smart", akin to those who rode on the Maidan, while most Russians worry about Ukraine and Ukrainians are naturally adequate. After all, many have relatives living there, although according to long-standing contacts it was felt that they had been thoroughly brainwashed.
But in what OUR cataclysms differed so we had a "friend", soldiers, police and riot police did not burn, we did not have a "House of Trade Unions in Odessa" and there were many other things that are happening now in Ukraine, and most importantly We have never did not blame Ukrainians, Belarusians and other peoples for all sins
And to help, but with pleasure, only you yourself cannot help your country.
I have the honor.

[Cripple cross]

Well .... in general, I think here many will agree with the article. But if Ukraine continues to follow in the US channel, then nothing will remain of Russianness in Ukraine, and then it will finally separate from the Russian world.

[Yuri Y.]

Since the topic is almost the same, I will repeat my comment.
Yuri Y. RU Today, 11:55 AM New
I have always been against comments like "mother-crush the Ukrainians". Since this is help to the junta (maybe there are provocateurs) and historically we are largely the same, and we live together in Russia. But you need to understand that on the basis of this common biological material with the Galician mentality, a new nation is being made. In my opinion, no more and no less, we have already named (we really) u.kry or dill, which will include the Russians in Ukraine .. And to break away from us and against us (Russia), and this must be remembered. Especially if what is now in Ukraine will continue for another 25 years (only).

[afdjhbn67]

Rarely A. Rogers, plus, but here + unambiguous ..

[vyinemeynen]

I’ll quote from Slozhenitsyn, although he is not particularly favored here. [b] Time must pass, they (Ukrainians) will go wild! [/ b]
What Putin gives Ukraine through Minsk: Time and Peace (how much is possible in the current situation)

[Urals]

Quote: vyinemeynen

I’ll quote from Slozhenitsyn, although he is not particularly favored here. [b] Time must pass, they (Ukrainians) will go wild! [/ b]

He came to us in Russia, I remember ... Like a messiah all over the country ... Fu damn it! Selling boring devil!

[Baikonur]

With False Nice - i.e. - prostrate with a lie!

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Selling boring hell - well said. Short, capacious and to the point.

[Vitaly72]

Chet, I didn’t understand you, it seems like about eight years ago I put gym shoes in a corner

[vladimirw]

Well, maybe the author jumped in 1991, and then, they now have their sight, but ... I will not talk about it. Who laughs at "stupid Ukrainians" that doo ...
But the inhabitants of the ruins themselves, all by themselves, and only Donbass needs to be helped.
In our youth, we had a famous song: "No one will give us deliverance, neither God, not a tsar and not a hero. So and only so

[V.ic]

"How Russian are Ukrainians? An analogy of betrayal" Author Roman Skomorokhov; "The essence of the Russian world" Author Alexander Rogers.

Two articles on the same topic. Write off?

[ohtsistem]

The same knock on the clave

[ArcanAG]

You did not scam the USSR for chewing gum and jeans?

Not you, but we. Together. And the Russians, and Ukrainians, and Belarusians, and other peoples of the USSR.

And how do you differ from those who scoured Ukraine for cookies and lace panties?

The fact that they did not give it a second time.
We went against the Swamp Poklonnaya, if you forgot. After that, the power came to life and the protests of the white tape were blown away.

You are against the Maidan, I ask you to note the second Maidan, the mass demonstrations began after the victory of this Maidan. And even then only in the southeast.

[Russiamoy]

our power is different. and national policy is different. how you do not understand it. their normal beliefs were not bullies, but the authorities burned them down. all this says how many people can fight with power. we didn’t have a coup from the bottom in the 90s, and we also were pawns on the American project of the collapse of the country, only the emphasis was different and America had different goals in relation to us (although we ideologically did a lot, but not compare with the Ukrainian project). and in Ukraine today it is the card of separation from us that is being played out, the development of the theory of independence, the difference in mentality, ideals, heroes and history, the seeds of which were laid by the Austro-Hungarian empire. not the people are playing, but the people themselves are playing. but our government, if it considers Ukraine to be fraternal, should not let everything go by itself, but something to counter it, nurture our propaganda and ideology. it is a struggle for the minds, which our point of view is currently losing. no one will see without help from outside.
for example: we have 20 years of cinema and tv propagated the lifestyle of bullies and unprincipled beauties, the result is that no one wants to go into working professions. the course has just begun to change, mushrooms with the help of propaganda, but in the other direction (by the way, I note a lot of mushrooms taken from Soviet times). psychology. and not that they themselves should see clearly, without a state, man is like Mowgli. not we are changing. and they change us. although it seems that they themselves have changed, wiser.

[Black cat]

The correct article, everyone has enough traitors and fools, it’s a pity the Ukrainian people, they will not heal the American infection soon.

[kepmor]

"American contagion" you say ... well, well ...
As I remember the situation now, in 1991, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, many "foreign people" served on my ship (SF) - Ukrainians, Balts, Uzbeks, Armenians and others. BUT ... of them, only Ukrainians instantly became ardent Natsiks, especially warrant officers. They also hummed conscripts!
Even flags with tridents appeared, hell knows where ... the Russians immediately became "mos..li" for them!
I had to urgently take drastic measures:
-Report on the table and day for the delivery of affairs and settlement;
- for another 2 days to collect the "manats" and get out of the garrison together with the women.
Of the 16 midshipmen-Ukrainians faded into the Khokhlyat fleet 11, though after a year and a half, 5 returned and poked around for six months in anticipation of citizenship.
Now tell me, what is it? ... did the "American infection" get into them? ... where did it come from in those days, especially since 8 out of 11 members of the CPSU were?
Ukrainian fellow students on "Pythonia" (LNVMU), on "tower" (Frunze) then already said, they say, we (the Ukrainians) would live much better if we did not feed the entire Union! This is also an "American contagion" you say? Or gross nationalism at the genetic level?

[Grandfather Luka]

Features hohlyatskogo mentality noticed long ago. And the State Department has nothing to do with it. You can recall the Soviet jokes, where the national character was very accurately noticed. Yes, and our classics in 19m. century also paid attention to this. So no one deceived them, but only took advantage of a well-known vice.

[33 Watcher]

- You did not have your maidan in 1991?
Father cried over a party card ... I remember.
-You did not scam the USSR for chewing gum and jeans?
No. Not we.
-You (or your parents) rode almost the same way as today's Maydanuty.
But for this, Alexander Rogers, it is possible in the face, in face-to-face conversation.
“Whoever doesn’t jump is the hack.” It was?
Where? When? For the first time I hear ...
So that? author? In all this ukro-mess, are not the Russians to blame? How so? Zradnik you, unfinished.
But the Russians are still to blame, they do not like the poor, unhappy. What? Has public opinion preparation begun?
Classic: "What about us, for sho?"
- "And my attitude to such screamers will be appropriate."
Yes, I’m wearing it, you know what to put ..? Here it is, only three times as much ...

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Come on, colleague, maybe not as explicitly as Comrade Rogers writes, but we fixed it in due time, and we really can't, an objective fact. And "vote with your heart for Yeltsman" was, and the cry of popular anger against the State Emergency Committee, which tried to save the country of the USSR, badly, ineptly, but tried, and mockery of Zyuganov, for the fact that he is against America - our dumb sidekick and senior comrade. And there was alcohol Royal, and MMM, and vouchers, and the shooting of the White House. There were many things that would not have been better. But history does not know the subjunctive mood. Personally, I liked the article. It's unpleasant when a muzzle is poked into your own g ..., but an excellent remedy for relapses. And by the way, the police at Bolotnaya were just a little under pressure, the FSB was already starting to take out documents from the roof of its office by helicopters. They would have pressed a little more - and now with us, and not with them, in the place of Prime Minister Biden would be sitting. So the card could have gone differently and there is no need to renounce, we are not so much different from kaklov, everyone came from the same USSR.

[Combitor]

Something similar I already read yesterday on the same site ... Deja Vu? Well no...
Roman Skomorokhov. "How Russian are Ukrainians? An analogy of betrayal." I wonder who stole the idea from whom? Or today's article, like a control shot, for especially stupid Russians who don't understand the first time?

[ydjin]

Reasonably. Now there is a battle for the minds. And for planting in Ukraine, we are losing. But the minds of Ukrainians were not abducted by us! Not Russia dipped them in. Let them think for themselves. PS And in the service in the ranks of the SA, I will say that there were no more reveling in their hotro.opastu than ho.h.l.ly. It was just like a joke in those days ... And now it’s not funny anymore. It's like an insane relative appeared in the family. And conscience does not allow him to be abandoned, and he is dangerous with a knife in his hand. Maybe it's time to clean up with a firm hand?

[Urals]

Ukrainians in Russia have long been ... And in Ukraine Ukrainians remained and Bandera and (my hut from the edge ..)

[ydjin]

Quote: Ural

Ukrainians in Russia have long been ... And in Ukraine Ukrainians remained and Bandera and (my hut from the edge ..)

All my acquaintances living with Ukrainian roots in Sakhalin consider themselves Russian, and nobody wants to be a Ukrainian! This is my observation. We are all Russian here from Nifkh to Koreans!

[ydjin]

Quote: Ural

Ukrainians in Russia have long been ... And in Ukraine Ukrainians remained and Bandera and (my hut from the edge ..)

All my acquaintances living with Ukrainian roots in Sakhalin consider themselves Russian, and nobody wants to be a Ukrainian! This is my observation. We are all Russian here from Nifkh to Koreans!

Quote: S_Baykala

Firstly, because they help to support the junta myths about “evil yachts that hate Ukrainians”, they are a clear confirmation of these myths.

Secondly, because the Russian world is built on its help, this is one of its main ideas.

Not absolutely, but I agree. In my opinion, modern Svidomo (not Russian Ukrainians, although even the essence of the concept is Ukrainian is almost nonsense - we are one people: Russians, Ukrainians (he started talking), Belarusians, carefully wedge a wedge between us, trying to separate us) we must leave for ourselves: let them cook in their own juice, feel that there is no freebie in this world - you need to work. And then someone interferes, someone owes something, because of someone something does not work, etc. So live as you want, left to your own devices: if you want independence - so row it with a full shovel, but do not forget that independence implies a lack of support (roof). Do you want to live separately - so all the calculations and offsets at common prices: are we not brothers? And at the same time, especially remember: if we are not brothers (you yourself want this), do not cross the road, do not try to grab something in the hope of a brotherly relationship - on the contrary, it will be asked not only in full, but also as if not more than others.
And at the same time, it is necessary to conduct covert propaganda aimed at nullifying the attempts of Western (and transatlantic) special services (or intriguers, hz how to call them). So that in the aggregate there will be a mass shift in the minds of these same Svidomo Ukrainians and they understand through a catastrophic decline in living standards and prospects for further development that we are still brothers, and we must live together, and not at the expense of others or using these very fraternal feelings.
I apologize for the many letters and somewhat confused thoughts, but somehow ....

Everything in your speech is from the heart and in good conscience! +++

[Baikonur]

Quote: ydjin

So that in aggregate there will be a mass shift in the minds of these same Svidomo Ukrainians and they understand through a catastrophic decline in living standards and prospects for further development that we are still brothers, and we must live together, and not at the expense of others or using these very fraternal feelings.

a massive shift in the minds of these same Svidomo Ukrainians is NOT POSSIBLE !!!
Their essence, the meaning of life - to snatch, steal, deceive, cheat and the like + black envy and meanness, cowardice, venality !!!
From childhood, brought up, CULTURED, WELCOME !!!
They sincerely rejoice, satisfied with themselves when they manage to snatch, steal, cheat, cheat! And it will only intensify! And anger from

through a catastrophic decline in living standards and prospects for further development

will grow!

[Ivan Tucha]

Article plus.

[Urals]

Quote: Ivan Tucha

Article plus.

For whining ..?))) Even the Jews of Russia recognize this!

[nikolaev]

but who, if not the Jews push the peoples.?

[rotmistr60]

accompanied by malevolence and some kind of unfounded sense of superiority

Dear author, explain then how to react to their statements and actions (I'm not talking about what they write on the Internet) to a Russian person who has not heard anything good from them over the past two years. How they joked and hungry over the people who were burned in Odessa, over those who died in the Donbass, over our plane shot down by the Turks. It can be listed for a long time, but too hard. Let us all forget, we will be kind to their outright bullying and humiliation of the Russian people. We are probably kind and ready to turn the other cheek ?.

[rJIiOK]

The author wrote about this - do not row everyone under one comb. I have a friend in contact, lives in Western Ukraine, fortunately, did not mobilize. He’s not yelling anything like that. Adequate calm person.

[liuk good]

There are only a few of them. The majority grew up in hatred of "Yam", "Yid" and "Lyaham". Maidan grew up on fertile soil. I lived there for 29 years - I know the situation from the inside.

[nikolaev]

Some kind of schizophrenia, this is your comment: who was killed in Odessa? What about you?

[kolobok63]

The author is a solid MINUS! He dumped everything in one heap from his head! In addition to hostility, this opus deserves nothing! A strange position and to the Russians. Many statements, to put it mildly, are simply shocking Or the author tried to find understanding among the Russians, he hardly succeeded.

[potalevl]

So what is the essence of the Russian world? The topic is not disclosed. Or maybe the author of the article aimed to spoil all the members of the forum with his verbal diarrhea? Article minus. The author’s advice is to express his thoughts specifically on the issue being addressed, without accusatory and offensive statements addressed to the reader. Something like this.

[Diesel66]

The essence of the Russian world is simple: you need to live by conscience, and not consume (more, tastier, higher). As soon as we understand this, a commercial enterprise under the name of the Russian Federation will remain out of work.

[Hooks]

The author "asks" not to generalize all the Ukrainians, but he himself generalizes the Russians: "Are you, like, very different from them?", "You (or your parents) rode almost the same way as today's Maydanuts." Where is the logic? Speech should be conducted with predefined terms. For me, the Ukrainian-2014 is not at all identical to the Ukrainian of the 90s. These are already two completely different peoples. Many Ukrainians do not consider themselves Ukrainians. Let Rogers inform the inhabitants of the LPR that they are Ukrainians. I hope he doesn't get a broken jaw.

[S_Baykala]

Firstly, because they help to support the junta myths about “evil yachts that hate Ukrainians”, they are a clear confirmation of these myths.

Secondly, because the Russian world is built on its help, this is one of its main ideas.

Not absolutely, but I agree. In my opinion, modern Svidomo (not Russian Ukrainians, although even the essence of the concept is Ukrainian is almost nonsense - we are one people: Russians, Ukrainians (he started talking), Belarusians, carefully wedge a wedge between us, trying to separate us) we must leave for ourselves: let them cook in their own juice, feel that there is no freebie in this world - you need to work. And then someone interferes, someone owes something, because of someone something does not work, etc. So live as you want, left to your own devices: if you want independence - so row it with a full shovel, but do not forget that independence implies a lack of support (roof). Do you want to live separately - so all the calculations and offsets at common prices: are we not brothers? And at the same time, especially remember: if we are not brothers (you yourself want this), do not cross the road, do not try to grab something in the hope of a brotherly relationship - on the contrary, it will be asked not only in full, but also as if not more than others.
And at the same time, it is necessary to conduct covert propaganda aimed at nullifying the attempts of Western (and transatlantic) special services (or intriguers, hz how to call them). So that in the aggregate there will be a mass shift in the minds of these same Svidomo Ukrainians and they understand through a catastrophic decline in living standards and prospects for further development that we are still brothers, and we must live together, and not at the expense of others or using these very fraternal feelings.
I apologize for the many letters and somewhat confused thoughts, but somehow ....

[Baikonur]

Quote: S_Baykala

a massive shift in the minds of these same Svidomo Ukrainians and they understood through a catastrophic decline in living standards and prospects for further development,

a massive shift in the minds of these same Svidomo Ukrainians is NOT POSSIBLE !!!
Their essence, the meaning of life - to snatch, steal, deceive, cheat and the like + black envy and meanness, cowardice, venality !!!
From childhood, brought up, CULTURED, WELCOME !!!
They sincerely rejoice, satisfied with themselves when they manage to snatch, steal, cheat, cheat! And it will only intensify! And anger from

through a catastrophic decline in living standards and prospects for further development

will grow!

[Aleksandr72]

Although the article is largely controversial, a lot of what the author wrote was in our common history with you, like a public burning of party cards of urgently repainted "communists", and defenders of the "White House" in Moscow went to tanks and much, much more. now it's a shame to remember. And it’s scary to remember what happened on the national outskirts of the USSR, which was boozing.
However, as for the same Ukraine - Crimea, after all, was also in its composition, and there was just the same propaganda of "Great and Nezalezhnaya", but for some reason in 2014 the Crimeans unequivocally spoke in favor of the return of their small Motherland to Russia (even if some say that the actual results of the voting on the peninsula were rigged in favor of Putin!). Some say that the Crimeans voted like this, because they were afraid of no one and nothing - they were guarded by "polite people" and personally by VVP. But after all, even being a part of Ukraine, Crimeans have repeatedly actively protested against the forcible introduction of the idea of ​​"Ukrainism" and many other things related to this.
This can be argued and debated for a long time, but I won’t.
The author of the article, in my opinion, is right in the following:

Firstly, because they help to support the junta myths about “evil yachts that hate Ukrainians”, they are a clear confirmation of these myths.
Secondly, because the Russian world is built on its help, this is one of its main ideas.
Thirdly, the screaming "hobla Nebrat" rowing one size fits all. And share the views of the junta.

Do not measure all with one ruler. They are different people.
I have the honor.

[Baikonur]

Quote: Alexander72

Secondly, because the Russian world is built on its help, this is one of its main ideas.

No!!! In fact of the matter!

The Russian world is built on helping all those in need as far as possible, everyone who treats kindly, honestly - this is one of his main ideas.

[Monster_Fat]

As already tired of this author with his articles about the "Russian world" and about the fact that the "maydanutye" and the rest of the Ukrainians are like different people. Yes, all this is nonsense. There are no such "different" Ukrainians, there are only "maydanutye" "hoh..y". Those who are not maydanutye is only the LPR and the DPR. The author apparently forgot the "enlightened" faces of the Ukrainians who were in Russia during the Maidan and who watched the events on the Maidan on TV. Or he just didn't see them. Even in our company, in the Moscow office, then all the Ukrainians, inspired by the promises of "European integration", began to rejoice and directly tell us, their Russian colleagues, the following - "finally we will leave this fucking" rush "for normal countries to work and forget you Russians as a nightmare .. ". And this is when they were in Russia! And what happened in Ukraine? The author has probably forgotten how they showed on TV how convoys with Bendera, going to support the Maidan across all Ukraine, "simple" Ukrainians met and saw off with flowers, carried food, etc.? The author probably forgot how the "simple" people ran around with pots of borscht on the Maidan feeding the "right" sector? Or was it the Americans who were running? My colleagues, whose relatives in Ukraine complained that during the Maidan and the Crimean events, these Ukrainian relatives called them in Russia specifically only to say nasty things and "curse forever" the damned Russian "ghouls", despite that they are blood relatives. Is it the "Americans" who shouted "maskalak at gilyak!" Enough, we do not need "brotherhood" and "unity" with these .....- let everyone go to their Ukraine or to "geyropu" for nishtyaks to compete with the Arabs for a place to wash the toilet at the stinking burgher.

[Grandfather Luka]

Monster_ Fat I support. Not in the eyebrow but in the eye. They cannot do discounts now. Otherwise, in five ten years they will do the same.

[certero]

It seems that the author has forgotten a lot. If there hadn’t been so many lies in the USSR, there would have been no Yeltsin with his ideas. Remove all privileges from those in power, give yourself the opportunity to choose what to do and where to live. Go abroad or not. And so on.
A bunch of nonsense has also been done, but without this it never happens.
You will remember the USSR - at the end of the day there was no criticism, only "approvals". And how can you do the right thing without normal criticism and comparison?
A comparison with the events in Ukraine is extremely inappropriate, since there were no slogans such as nationalistic then. On the contrary, the general mood was to live in one country.

[ydjin]

Quote: certero

It seems that the author has forgotten a lot. If there hadn’t been so many lies in the USSR, there would have been no Yeltsin with his ideas. Remove all privileges from those in power, give yourself the opportunity to choose what to do and where to live. Go abroad or not. And so on.
A bunch of nonsense has also been done, but without this it never happens.
You will remember the USSR - at the end of the day there was no criticism, only "approvals". And how can you do the right thing without normal criticism and comparison?
A comparison with the events in Ukraine is extremely inappropriate, since there were no slogans such as nationalistic then. On the contrary, the general mood was to live in one country.

Is there no lie in the "beacon of democracy America"? For me this is the most deceitful country in the world! Lies to other countries, lies to their citizens, releases candy wrappers on which he lives. And at the same time, ideal as a spherical horse in a vacuum! Something is wrong in the world! We got these new yuber mens! Call for demons!

[Grandfather Luka]

I would also like to add from myself. The people did not change their homeland for chewing gum and jeans. This was done by representatives of the so-called creative intillacy. They were the ones who sang the cult of worship of Western "culture", remember at least the late Soviet films, not to mention the perestroika period. Most of the population looked at it with a smirk. It is clear that there were many who were inclined to monkeys. These are the figures of our "culture", through the media, they still try to force us to worship false idols. Look at these painted monkeys that flash on the screen. By the way, the example of Prigozhin and Valeria, who slept with Hodor and Venya in a pub in London, is very indicative. Venya, though a bastard, but very well showed what the price of patriotism of some louder than others shouting hurray for the homeland. Looks like they are considering different options for themselves, so they decided to spread straws.

[raid14]

An article like a belated cry for help, Russia save us from ourselves, only whom to save?
Ordinary Ukrainians who live according to the principle "My hut is on the edge", who in the Soviet years treated Russia like a motherfucker, rejoiced at our Caucasian wars, defaults and disasters. Who sat in front of the zomboyaschik and scolded the thief Yanyk, carried food to the Maidan and collected money for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass.
When the priperlo and realized that they were divorced as suckers from the EU, the standard of living fell catastrophically, such tearful articles about fraternity and "Russians do not abandon their own" immediately came up.

[ava09]

(C) But how much did this require inconspicuous explanatory work? All these Solovyovs, Starikovs, Kara-Murza, Logvinovs, Fursovs and many others. (C)

The article is correct, but not quite. In my opinion, the author on this list mixed flies with borscht. In any case, Solovyov and Fursov. People who are completely different in their outlook. If you can listen to Fursov usefully, then Solovyov on television, hiding behind the "correct" words, is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwxM6tBA2Gc
You can see a more detailed dialogue with the Zionist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehB7OEzhxf4

[Alexandr2637]

Author Alexander Rogers

Go jump to your hohland, prostitute USAkalovskaya!

[Thunderbolt]

Thirdly, the screaming "hobla Nebrat" rowing one size fits all. And share the views of the junta.
Just imagine that you are pro-Russian / pro-Russian in Ukraine. And how will you perceive such screams?

I have never called Ukrainians names. And I even always call it "Ukraine". Of course, I can sometimes laugh at the narrow-mindedness and stubbornness of their current government. But without malice. And I think there are many of them who understand that not only fascist gopniks and marauders live there, but also ordinary normal people.

And how will you perceive such screams?

How will they perceive it? Negatively, of course. But here, Alexander, this is the problem ... If I shout in one ear to a Ukrainian that he is my brother, then in the other ear the state propaganda will flood such tar with the insidiousness of the Muscovites. That will form opinion of the population. Therefore, I believe that it is not a trace of the whole nation to stigmatize and offend the whole people, but it will have little effect on the minds. And besides, the percentage of Ukrainians who communicate with Russians on social networks is not as significant as it might seem. And let's not forget that .n. "ATO" continues. So today news came that people are dying on mines. How will the Western and Ukrainian media present it? That's right, they will present it and point out who is to blame for all their troubles. The war is there. Although they do not shoot everywhere .But funerals go to both front lines. This is the main evil.

[GRAY]

Let's start from afar. Are you a type very different from them? You did not have your Maidan in 1991 year? You do not profukali USSR for chewing gum and jeans? And how do you differ from those who profukal Ukraine for cookies and lace panties? You (or your parents) rode almost the same way as today's maydanutye. They demanded "We want to bleat like in the West!" And kilometer-long queues at McDonalds defended.

In the article, discrepancies with reality begin with the very first lines.

The Ukrainians, on the other hand, had an example in the form of the collapse of the USSR, but this did not stop them and did not cause any allergies to the Maidan - this is undoubtedly the result of propaganda, og.
In contrast, the citizens of the Russian Federation thoroughly felt all the charm of the 90s and did not want to go back.
Nehren compare beaten with unbroken.

And about the fact that not all Ukrainians are enemies - yes, I agree with that. But they, nevertheless, are completely subordinate to their government, which is definitely not our friend — it’s as if my brother came to kill me on the orders of his boss and I, like, should not perceive him as an enemy. Oh well.

Even the Nuremberg trials, at one time, showed that the topic "I just followed orders" does not channel at all.

[triglav]

This is all clear. Who identifies all Ukrainians and the Maidan, this article on the drum. And who is not - the more it is not needed. And so everything is correctly written in it. It seems that the Ukrainians will still outlive their parasites and eggs and restore the status quo both their own and the country.

[GRAY]

Quote: triglav

It seems that the Ukrainians will still outlive their parasites and eggs and restore the status quo both their own and the country.

Or they will finally grow into embroidered shirts and turn into ideological Russophobes, which the current processing program actually provides for.

[Oxana_iv]

In my opinion, when Russians talk about "horses", "maydauns", "squares" and others, they mean not the Ukrainian people, but these galloping gentlemen. And at the household level, no one offends Ukrainians in Russia, if they themselves do not run up. As, however, in many regions of Ukraine there is a very calm attitude towards Russians.
The author, nevertheless, is a plus, since a number of our "speakers" should have followed the rhetoric. Not only is schizophrenia in power (and not only in Ukraine), it was not enough to push the fraternal peoples with their heads together!

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Thank you for the excellent comment, fair, calm, without hysterics and shouts - "I hate the afftor, we are not like that"! :)

[Grandfather Luka]

Follow the rhetoric is one thing, but the author accused the Russian people of betraying their homeland, changed the allegedly chewing gum. And this is another liberal stamp, the purpose of which is to shift from a sick head to a healthy one. They say that these people betrayed their country, and not those who arbitrarily endowed themselves with the authority to be the mind, honor and conscience of the people, creating an unhealthy background, following the canons of the western mainstream themselves fell victim to their own illusions. Now, to whom the loop seems to be looming, here they are trying to dodge.

[Maksim]

Quote: potalevl

So what is the essence of the Russian world? The topic is not disclosed. Or maybe the author of the article aimed to spoil all the members of the forum with his verbal diarrhea? Article minus. The author’s advice is to express his thoughts specifically on the issue being addressed, without accusatory and offensive statements addressed to the reader. Something like this.

I completely agree. The author NEVER constantly says that we are the same and immediately divides into ours and yours.

[Tambov Wolf]

There are no so-called "Ukrainians", there is a southern branch of the Russian people. And the author is a rather murky gentleman with a "purely Ukrainian" surname.

[Urals]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

There are no so-called "Ukrainians", there is a southern branch of the Russian people. And the author is a rather murky gentleman with a "purely Ukrainian" surname.

In during ... Begins, have pity on us! For one concern Antonov, farmers, swineherds need to eat you for 100 years!

[iouris]

The so-called "Russian World" is not only a cultural space that, for various reasons, interferes with the final victory of Protestant ethics and the spirit of capitalism throughout the world. From the point of view of the ideologists of the market = liberal economy, this "Russian culture" is reactionary, and its carriers are reactionaries. However, the fight against the "Russian World" is being waged, to snuff out, not in the sphere of culture, religion and other irrational matters, but for resources.
Victory for the "Anti-Russian world" is needed as a condition for its survival. Taking into account the severity of the political moment, the principle is put forward: if the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed.
If we have the goal of survival in the competition and even survival in the face of aggression from the anti-Russian world, as a super powerful predatory organization.
The struggle for survival requires the creation of a competing organization, i.e. a very strong structure with a designated purpose, a scientifically based program that can effectively use available material, human and spiritual resources. This is the "Russian World".
Russians should be divided into "Russians" and "Ukrainians" (etc.) not by their place of residence, not by the principle of blood, but by the principle of their actual affiliation with organizations.
There will be no organizational and material basis, there will be no "Russian World".

[BISMARCK94]

Well, that’s all right. Ukrainians forgot the story, so it repeated itself

[yuriy55]

You would not undertake the Russian world with that name. What we had, we know without any prompts and interpreters.

What, there was no desovietization and de-Stalinization in Russia? Until now, from time to time they want to tear down Lenin’s mausoleum.

I did not hear about desovietization during the USSR, I consider the followers of Americanization to be involved in the replacement of the RAY executive committees with the administration ...
What is de-Stalinization? When the lying Khrushchev took over all conceivable sins and unthinkable sins and blunders in the leadership of the late Stalin?
With the mausoleum - quite simple. We must respect the will of the deceased, and not go, violating all the canons, for the sake of PR one party. According to her last will, to bury next to her mother’s grave and to rid the Russian world of idols forever ...

We, perhaps, made mistakes in the choice. Therefore, our story moves in leaps and bounds, but we have never looked for those to blame for our misfortunes and failures on the side. We fixed everything ourselves. And to the best of their ability, they helped everyone who needed ours, I repeat for all sorts of, OUR, Russian (Soviet, Russian) help.
And in this situation we will understand and we will continue to live on, happily ever after!

[Grandfather Luka]

If I already talked about Ilyich in the mausoleum, I consider it necessary to outline this point of view: this demon should forever lie in its crypt, as a reminder to all of us of the possible consequences of inadequacy and subsequent sharp movements.
We must see and remember Lenin. As soon as we forget about him, he will return and the nightmare will happen again.
But he is not worthy of Christian forgiveness, he is cursed by the church.

[Y_w_p]

Nda. It seems that serious and competent people should be here. And they write what they write !! Well, what is the southern branch of the Russian people? History should be known. For the sake of interest, it will be necessary to look at history books on which they are now taught in Russia. When the principalities already existed in the territory around Kiev and other ancient cities, the Russian people as such did not exist. There were no Ukrainians and Belarusians either. There were Krevichi Drevlyans. There were generally a mixture of Vikings and local Finno-Ugric tribes there. Learn materiel as they say. I don’t want to insult anyone, but they got all of them specifically with their idea of ​​the Russian world. Grandfather Lenin spoke about the dangers of Great Russian chauvinism, but no, they won’t calm down

[Grandfather Luka]

Is it in Belarus now that such a trend towards mass cretinism has been outlined or is it delirium of an individual?

[antifa]

Let’s be without emotion - Rogers is right. He states a fact, not a claim. Well, your liberals and grants are a tumor. What Ukrainians are about us - save your homeland from the tumor.

[skullcap]

Quote: antifa

What about us Ukrainians - save your homeland from the tumor.

Your truth, and dozens of minuses of the article speak about the high efficiency of the fifth column in Russia. Much to my chagrin.

[Winnie76]

The main message of the article - we are the same as the Ukrainians. There are Ukrainians who are for us and strangers who are from the Maidan. And their type must be separated.

So Rogers, they have been for us for 20 years now. They were theirs when they lived in the USSR, although even then, according to reviews, faces were crooked. It’s time, Rogers, to learn to respect someone else’s sovereignty. Ukraine is a proud, free and independent country and has the right to strangle its industry itself, and after that expect in the waiting room the adoption of the EU.

And we, in turn, are no less proud and independent country and in the right to send all these brothers to a certain direction. Well, if the brothers who stayed want brotherly help - you are welcome to the Russian Federation individually (as a citizen) or with the whole territory (like Crimea). And in this case, the division is simple - a citizen of the Russian Federation / not a citizen of the Russian Federation.

And this "my attitude to these screamers" deeply we ...

[Y_w_p]

Quote: Winnie76

Well, if the brothers who stayed want brotherly help - you are welcome to the Russian Federation individually (as a citizen) or with the whole territory (like Crimea). And in this case, the division is simple - a citizen of the Russian Federation / not a citizen of the Russian Federation.

That is, just normal good neighborly relations in any way? Come on immediately to the Russian Federation? And after that, are you surprised at the attitude towards Russia from other peoples and countries?

[Winnie76]

Why not? Very much like that. I’m embarrassed to ask, Mosk ... on a dime - is this a fairly good-neighborly relationship?

Do not confuse good neighborly relations and free financial assistance. As for Belarus ... is it time to decide. You are proud and independent, or on the content of the Russian Federation

[Y_w_p]

The chanting of stupid representatives of the people, cited as an example, is naturally insulting. And I have the same attitude towards the Nazis with any passport in my hands or something tougher. And I decided so long ago to decide, yes, both proud and independent and not at all in content. And we have your radar and the communications center of the Navy, and what kind of army is still there and we are allies.

[fif21]

Quote: Winnie76

You are proud and independent, or on the content of the Russian Federation

They (Belarusians) are also smart! And the Ukrainians are from Krylov's fable "Pig under an oak" read to understand the difference.

[ydjin]

The conclusion is simple, who is not with us is against us! But even evil elves can be raised from light elves, which is what is happening in Ukraine! They cultivate a force that is ready to die with enthusiasm for the glory of its puppeteers. Ready to chop off the historical roots. The answer apparently is to cut the swelling! Until the patient became completely inoperable!

[Winnie76]

There is no other conclusion. Either you are independent or not. It’s a bit of a state ... And then, as children ... here I am an adult, and here I am a child ... And let their own tumors operate, we have enough of our own

[fif21]

For 15 years Russia has gone its own way, Ukraine its own. Russia has not slipped to nationalism, the slogan "Russia for the Russians" did not work! They paid off the debts of the USSR, Russia in the 90s, went through the devastation of the economy, two wars, gritted their teeth and clenched their fists seeing the attitude of the West towards Russia, humiliation at the UN (splashing saliva) on Churkin, an arrogant attitude in PACE, the EU, mockery of Russians in the post-Soviet republics and do not "lie" under the partners! We defended the interests of our country with honor and dignity, thanks to our diplomats! Happy holiday dear! And what about Ukraine? Ukraine has chosen Russophobia, nationalism - having signed itself a "death sentence" as an independent state. The freebie from Moscow is over. Get out. You have chosen your own president, you have decided to "lie" under Europe with its values, solve your problems yourself. Crimea said its word, LDNR took up arms and defend their independence. Nothing personal, just business and cold pragmatism.

[pimen]

yes, we also had this infection, and at the same time with all ... But now you can clearly see "who is who."
As for Ukraine, this is the most difficult case, and I think that all eyewitnesses must die out before it can begin to build bridges

[Winnie76]

And by the way, thanks to the god of all Ukraine, VV Putin for really gained independence ... Well, for the Crimea naturally ... Here it is ... the role of the individual in history

[Landwarrior]

I wrote there, I’ll write and here- Yes, let them eat at least one another there in UA! What is this to us? Themselves baked, let them eat.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Harshly! But rightly :)

[tehnokrat]

Stop whining about the "innocent people"! The "people" calmly watching their fellow citizens being killed.
What did these Kuevo "soldiers' mothers" demand in the square? Remind me? "Give our boys the tanks."
Who did not want to endure your b ... the power - he rebelled! And the rest of the "people" themselves deserved their fate.
And there is nothing to hang snot about them - we have enough of our problems!
I have both a junior title and neither experience nor authority. But another such publication is
I will not read this forum anymore.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: tehnokrat

I have both a junior title and neither experience nor authority. But another such publication is
I will not read this forum anymore.

I’m sure that the site’s administration took your threat-warning very seriously and, in order not to lose you as a reader, they are currently feverishly, but carefully selecting the following articles for publication, which will certainly upset and not upset you :) :) But seriously , here not such articles come across, and discussions are hotter. If, for each article you do not like, go to another forum, no forums will be enough.

[Altona]

Those who declare "All Ukrainians support the junta, so they are not native to us" and rush to insults to the right and left - they objectively work for this very junta.
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We still seem to live relatively calmly, so that we would throw such slogans in the “white-red” style. Of course, in the heat of the moment on a forum, a Ukrainian troll can be answered in a comment with a similar phrase in response to his swearing and gargling proposal, but this is not some kind of interethnic confrontation, but ordinary everyday life in the “word for word” style. I don’t think anyone has any kind of pathological aggression in the “kill the crests” style. Although on many forums I have already been included in the lists of “cotton wool and glass wool”, “filthy Russians”, “bydlosovetikus”, “stupid Russian trolls”, and the like. In general, a common element of information warfare.

[Urals]

Quote: Altona

Those who declare "All Ukrainians support the junta, so they are not native to us" and rush to insults to the right and left - they objectively work for this very junta.
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We still seem to live relatively calmly, so that we would throw such slogans in the “white-red” style. Of course, in the heat of the moment on a forum, a Ukrainian troll can be answered in a comment with a similar phrase in response to his swearing and gargling proposal, but this is not some kind of interethnic confrontation, but ordinary everyday life in the “word for word” style. I don’t think anyone has any kind of pathological aggression in the “kill the crests” style. Although on many forums I have already been included in the lists of “cotton wool and glass wool”, “filthy Russians”, “bydlosovetikus”, “stupid Russian trolls”, and the like. In general, a common element of information warfare.

Well, yes, UNDERSTAND AND FORGIVE? ))))Devils in line...(I personally won’t forget this and I will tell my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren (if I live..) “What is Ukraine..” And how she stuck a knife in the back! And so that no one else The sons did not believe (especially the brothers..) The Russians have one ally... Then you know everything (who has the Russian SPIRIT..))))

[Altona]

Quote: Ural

Well, yes, UNDERSTAND AND FORGIVE? ))

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Why UNDERSTAND AND FORGIVE? There are specific people in the Government of Ukraine, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and volunteer battalions who commit specific war crimes. These people need to be judged. But this does not mean that everyone there wants to go and fight with us to the last Ukrainian. Moreover, despite the gallant rhetoric, in general there is no militaristic enthusiasm in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There are war criminals, but there is no spirit.

[Urals]

Those who are in the know, Happy Holidays! Crimea is ours....was and will be!
And let the rest scream...

[rJIiOK]

Why are you minus? Plus. The author is a very intelligent Ukrainian.
And if you look in the mirror, the same thing was happening in Russia

[SPACE59]

Of course there are parallels, minor ones, but overall there is little in common.

[Urals]

Quote: rJIiOK

Why are you minus? Plus. The author is a very intelligent Ukrainian.
And if you look in the mirror, the same thing was happening in Russia

No really..If we had it like in Ukraine, then the “brothers” would not have existed a long time ago...They would have crushed the “bl...th” with tanks and fired from machine guns from turntables!
We Russians are patient and persevered (again with heavy losses)
Now our time has come! We will spread rot on you, just like in the Tsarist Empire! Because you are mongrels... It’s too scary to even kick you!

[RUSS]

Quote: rJIiOK

reasonable Ukrainian.

More likely Svidomo, not reasonable.

[mik0588]

Looks like someone is trying to turn on the “towers”....

[Mercenary]

The majority of the people did not vote for Yeltsin or for McDonald's eateries, they voted against the communists who annoyed the people. Of the two Evils, as they thought, they chose the lesser. It's a shame to write this.

[Cobra77]

Quote: polite people

THE ESSENCE OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD IS FAITH !!! Faith in God! Belief that the Russian world, by the command of God, is the keeper of peace on the planet.

What should atheists (who fortunately are the majority in the Russian Federation) do? Don't fit into the Russian world? Maybe we won’t drag religion into the state and country. I can respect faith, but I perceive it as nothing more than the traditions of the people. There is no need to return to the obscurantism of a hundred years ago; if you want to believe, believe, we have freedom of conscience. But to elevate religion to a state rank is to follow the example of the monarchies of the Persian Gulf.

[Hecate]

Oh, I’m tired of articles from knowledgeable amateurs, or outright liars. I don’t know what is closer to the author of this epic. The collapse of the USSR began not in Moscow and not in Russia at all. The republics of the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were the first to leave the USSR, then the republics of the Caucasus and after them Ukraine. It was in that order. What then happened in Russia was a struggle for power between clans and no more. The victory of any of the clans could no longer save the USSR. Remember the history of ethnic conflicts in the territory of the former USSR, the conflict in Karabakh, for example, began to gain momentum in 1987. I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, have specific claims to Ukraine and not only to Ukraine. Well, point by point. 1) Ukraine is now shouting that taking Crimea and supporting the Donbass of the Russian Federation allegedly hit such a white and fluffy Ukraine in the back, but gentlemen, Ukrainians do not like to talk about how Ukraine fought against Russia on the side of Dudaev and Saakashvili. Ukrainians either deny it’s in general, or they say that there were several Ukrainian volunteers in Chechnya, but in the Donbas the Russian regular army is fighting against Ukraine. In Chechnya, 30000 UNA-UNSO fighters fought on Dudayev’s side, this is a Ukrainian nationalist organization, 30000 is a whole army, and the Ukrainian government and Yanukovych turned out to extradite UNA-UNSO members at the request of the Russian prosecutor’s office. it’s impossible to name 30000 bandits and the refusal to give them to the Russian Federation as a friendly step on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Some of the Ukrainians begin to say that Dudaev, they say, is a patriot and that Ukraine did the right thing by supporting him. Well, if you think that Ukraine had the right to support Dudaev, then what claims to the Russian Federation, which supported the same Strelkova ?! 2) In 2008, Ukraine fought against the Russian Federation in Ossetia, on the side of Saakashvili. It was the Ukrainian military and Ukrainian air defense systems sent to Georgia that shot down several aircraft of the Russian Air Force. Of course, as an independent state, Ukraine has the right to support anyone, but if Ukraine is at war against Russia, then what kind of talk can there be about friendship and the treacherous attack of the Russian Federation on Ukraine, if Ukraine itself has been fighting against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus for many years ?! 3) And finally, the events in Odessa. Ukraine is not alone. In the same Azerbaijan, during the USSR, Russians made up more than 20% of the population, but in Azerbaijan there were mass pogroms of the Russian-speaking population, with murders, robberies and rape, and now Russians in Azerbaijan officially, about 5%, but actually even less. And this was not only in Azerbaijan, it was in Uzbekistan and other republics of the former USSR, somewhere less, somewhere more. After all this, I have a question for Azerbaijanis and other now independent fighters with Russians and Russia. You didn’t do well with the Russians, to put it mildly, so what right now do you have the right to come to Russia and demand from these same Russians for yourself is that right ?! I now believe that after what you did in your homeland with the Russians, in the Russian Federation you have no rights and cannot be. All your rights are at your place. 4) Now about the borders. I have little interest in Karabakh. I have my own opinion on this issue, but I will not voice it, because on the whole, it is not my business and it does not concern me. Let the conflicting parties there deal themselves.
html There was already an article with similar content today, it’s on the link.

[Hecate]

There was already an article of similar content today, so for seven troubles, one answer. Oh, how tired I am of articles by know-nothing amateurs or outright liars. I don’t know which is closer to the author of this epic. The collapse of the USSR did not begin in Moscow and not at all in Russia. The republics of the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) were the first to leave the USSR, then the republics of the Caucasus and after them Ukraine. It was in that order. What then happened in Russia was a struggle for power between clans and no more. The victory of any of the clans could no longer save the USSR. Remember the history of ethnic conflicts in the territory of the former USSR, the conflict in Karabakh, for example, began to gain momentum in 1987. I, as a citizen of the Russian Federation, have specific claims to Ukraine and not only to Ukraine. Well, point by point. 1) Ukraine is now shouting that taking Crimea and supporting the Donbass of the Russian Federation allegedly hit such a white and fluffy Ukraine in the back, but gentlemen, Ukrainians do not like to talk about how Ukraine fought against Russia on the side of Dudaev and Saakashvili. Ukrainians either deny it’s in general, or they say that there were several Ukrainian volunteers in Chechnya, but in the Donbas the Russian regular army is fighting against Ukraine. In Chechnya, 30000 UNA-UNSO fighters fought on Dudayev’s side, this is a Ukrainian nationalist organization, 30000 is a whole army, and the Ukrainian government and Yanukovych turned out to extradite UNA-UNSO members at the request of the Russian prosecutor’s office. it’s impossible to name 30000 bandits and the refusal to give them to the Russian Federation as a friendly step on the part of Ukraine towards Russia. Some of the Ukrainians begin to say that Dudaev, they say, is a patriot and that Ukraine did the right thing by supporting him. Well, if you think that Ukraine had the right to support Dudaev, then what claims to the Russian Federation, which supported the same Strelkova ?! 2) In 2008, Ukraine fought against the Russian Federation in Ossetia, on the side of Saakashvili. It was the Ukrainian military and Ukrainian air defense systems sent to Georgia that shot down several aircraft of the Russian Air Force. Of course, as an independent state, Ukraine has the right to support anyone, but if Ukraine is at war against Russia, then what kind of talk can there be about friendship and the treacherous attack of the Russian Federation on Ukraine, if Ukraine itself has been fighting against the Russian Federation in the Caucasus for many years ?! 3) And finally, the events in Odessa. Ukraine is not alone. In the same Azerbaijan, during the USSR, Russians made up more than 20% of the population, but in Azerbaijan there were mass pogroms of the Russian-speaking population, with murders, robberies and rape, and now Russians in Azerbaijan officially, about 5%, but actually even less. And this was not only in Azerbaijan, it was in Uzbekistan and other republics of the former USSR, somewhere less, somewhere more. After all this, I have a question for Azerbaijanis and other now independent fighters with Russians and Russia. You didn’t do well with the Russians, to put it mildly, so what right now do you have the right to come to Russia and demand from these same Russians for yourself is that right ?! I now believe that after what you did in your homeland with the Russians, in the Russian Federation you have no rights and cannot be. All your rights are at your place. 4) Now about the borders. I have little interest in Karabakh. I have my own opinion on this issue, but I will not voice it, because on the whole, it is not my business and it does not concern me. Let the conflicting parties there deal themselves.

[nikolaev]

Well done Alexander! A correct and necessary article, especially judging by the number of minuses (truly Maidanists in Russia are about 40% and this is very serious!).

[Urals]

Quote: nikolaev

Well done Alexander! A correct and necessary article, especially judging by the number of minuses (truly Maidanists in Russia are about 40% and this is very serious!).

Maybe 80%!...You're underestimating And they tolerate you for now...(some are already shooting..))))

[Vladimir K]

How everyone was touched by the topic - in 4 hours they wrote two sheets of paper. But seriously, there’s no point in breaking the peaks. The author is right in some ways, wrong in others. Of course, he is wrong in comparing Russia in 91 and Ukraine today. Russia survived because it has historical experience of statehood. Much depends on the elites, but this is not enough. Ukraine (or the territory under it) has the experience of “Ruins”.
We could observe numerous opuses of lies, deceit, arrogance, betrayal, incitement, insults, etc. addressed to Russia from the Square in recent years. You can call it obscurantism, paranoia, schizophrenia, etc. The essence will not change from this. But the point, in my opinion, judging by the hard work of the Ukrainian government, is that Ukraine, as a state, does not have long to live.
Everyone's credit is gone. God knows what awaits 42 million Ukrainians. Judging by the experience of North African countries, it is far from bright. Russia is now in the pen itself, there are no extra bucks.
As for the brothers, we don’t need them in their current form. Life will teach a harsh lesson to the foolish who prostrate themselves before the chimera. Over time, they will see the light, but it is unknown what country they will be citizens of. And only after this will it be possible to remember the term “brothers”.

[hartlend]

Quote: Karavan

At the same time, I simply don’t have time to figure out who is misdirected and who is sincere.

In my opinion, the author of the article lacks a measure of understanding. Instead of showing the roots of “Maidanutism,” the author picked up the facts, threw them together and gave birth to an article. Grigory Klimov clearly states which nationality makes revolutions, and which nationality children are then devoured by it. There are many “Ukrainians” in Ukraine that are not of the Slavic genotype. There was such a qualification for settling down. The territory was partly in Ukraine and Belarus. A different title would be appropriate for the article.

[Infernal man]

Yes, it was Putin and the Russians who burned people on May 2nd and bombed their own people in Donbass...
Author, go smoke. Nothing will change the attitude towards poop now - some are murderers and cannibals, others are cowards and traitors. This should not be forgotten. And you will not be forgotten.

[Infernal man]

By the way, as a custom article created to stir up disdain for poop, it didn’t turn out very well. There is also something to think about, who needs it?

[korvin1976]

Quote: KOSMOS59

There are similarities, but at the same time a huge difference. Did we have something similar to Odessa and Mariupol, did we forbid Soviet symbols from us, did it scary veterans to go out in the streets with awards, and I still have a monument to Lenin in my city.

You're distorting it a little with a HUGE difference. Everything was practically the same with us. And they fired at the White House from tanks, and in the same way they shot snipers in the back, and to some extent they even had their own South-East (Chechnya). Regarding the fact that they weren’t banned, well, it’s just a distortion, how could something that came from us be banned, according to the conviction of many. Only Russia was associated as an evil planting everything Soviet, and only for this reason we still have something left of this Soviet. Although at one time cities were renamed in exactly the same way and streets and monuments were demolished, I agree not everywhere, but it happened. Just remember with what pomp the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished on the Lubyanka. Doesn't it remind you of anything?
It’s just easier for them to get rid of all this, they came up with a scapegoat for themselves, but who can we come up with? Declaring ourselves to be our own enemy? Here, excuse me, it smacks of even greater insanity than theirs.

[SPACE59]

I’m already tired of proving something, since you want it so much, then you can consider yourself a maydown, since you are no different from them!
Personally, I have a different opinion about myself.