Mi-8 helicopter crash in the Pskov Region

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirms information published in the news agencies on the crash of the Mi-8 helicopter in the Pskov Region. The helicopter fell near the town of Ostrov - near the village of Cherepyagino, making a scheduled training flight. Four people aboard the Mi-8 died.

From the message press service The country's main defense department:

According to the report of the search and rescue team, which arrived at the place of an emergency landing of the Mi-8 helicopter, as a result of the accident, three pilots from the crew and one instructor technician died. To clarify all the circumstances of the disaster, the commission of the Main Command of the Russian Aerospace Forces of Russia and the Flight Safety Service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation take off to the crash site.

Communication with the crew of the helicopter was interrupted on Monday around 19: 21. According to preliminary data, the helicopter caught fire in the air. The pilots tried to make an emergency landing, but unfortunately it was not possible to avoid a tragic outcome.

“Military Review” expresses its condolences to the families and friends of the servicemen who died in the Pskov Region.

Comments

[SAM 5]

But what is it, how long will we fall.

[corporal]

There are a lot of incidents with Mi-8.
Old cars?
Or not as reliable as it is touted?

[LÄRZ]

Quote: Corporal

Or not as reliable as it is touted?

No, it’s impossible to save on security, but if old and counterfeit aggregates and units are used to perform PPR (in order to save), then what’s the point? May God rest in peace with their souls.

[Vovanfalcon]

You want to say that the Air Force uses counterfeit or non-resource units?

[Delink]

Are you ready to say that everything in our Army is safe?
When trash is written off and from it that can be rearranged on existing machines and left in reserve.
It all depends on the Command of these military units. They bear all responsibility for the personnel and entrusted equipment.

[Vovanfalcon]

I'm not ready to assert, because I don’t know, I’m not an active soldier. But, as you say that when writing off "trash", some units, devices are removed and installed on the operating aircraft, I can assume that these products still have a resource. And in no case are they counterfeit (i.e. there are genuine product passports, with marks on the passage of warranty, post-warranty and overhaul services, as well as repairs!). The only thing is that when reinstalling the unit, the device from one aircraft to another, in addition to the permission of the senior management (written), unscheduled maintenance or testing in the laboratory is required. If it is an engine or an APU, then full testing on the ground (well, this is anyway).

[tso1973]

old spare parts in reserve, this is more about private airlines! In the army in aviation, this was in the 90s, maybe there is now, but I doubt it, I think the engineer of the unit will break his head for this business!

[Vovanfalcon]

I agree. It was in the dashing 90s. Now this is much stricter, no one will mess with, such "games" are more expensive.

[Vovanfalcon]

I agree. It was in the dashing 90s. Now this is much stricter, no one will mess with, such "games" are more expensive.

[skurazhov]

Yes, and in the 90s this was not!

[sgazeev]

Quote: Delink

Are you ready to say that everything in our Army is safe?
When trash is written off and from it that can be rearranged on existing machines and left in reserve.
It all depends on the Command of these military units. They bear all responsibility for the personnel and entrusted equipment.

In aviation, the decommissioned is destroyed, even the on-board tool. This is not automotive technology. Try to leave the mine in reserve, the Air Force is not a private shop. The chief engineer will be shaken. The head of the TEC and all the groups that carried out routine maintenance

[jPilot]

I am always touched by the "competent" opinions of "experts". After all, not even the slightest idea, but they have already collected everything that is possible.
Firstly, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, NEVER again NEVER were used or used counterfeit app. parts.
Secondly, aircraft that have not been tested and have no RESOURCE are not installed on aircraft (of any kind) and even after installation special procedures (testing, flying, etc., etc.) are carried out in the area of ​​the aerodrome. And only after that the board is released for scheduled flights or the implementation of the BZ.
Third, technique is technique; it tends to fail. For example, now I fly an AS-350 (Eurocopter), a brand new one has not yet been a year, the "generator failure" board lit up in flight, sat down on the company's working site in the mountains, turned it off, looked at everything normally, but there was no launch. I had to abandon the helicopter, since the company still has a board, we figured it out (well under warranty) one of the starter generator windings burned out. The board stood in the mountains for 3 weeks until another unit was transported from France.
Well, and the most important statistic is that most accidents are due to the "fault" of the crew, this is what they call, but in fact all people are different and everything happens very, VERY quickly and there are no guarantees of the correctness of your actions. Everything is realized only when you calm down the trembling in your knees and understand that everything worked out (I KNOW)
In general, the commission will sort it out and write a release.
The crew of the earth rest in peace, condolences to families.

[atamankko]

A very competent answer to "experts", I agree with you.

[LÄRZ]

Quote: jPilot

Firstly, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, NEVER again NEVER were used or used counterfeit app. parts.

And what about this:

In recent years, the Russian army has been tortured by an “epidemic” of breakdowns in military equipment (BT), which has just come out of a major overhaul. For this reason, accidents (or even catastrophes) of aircraft and helicopters occur, the components and assemblies of ships and submarines fail, during training launches go astray and missiles fall, the radar is blinded at the most crucial moment, or the engines die dead during the exercises tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

The problem has become rampant. In the Ministry of Defense (MO), I saw a pood folder with screaming complaints from the troops: I had the impression that techno-profane had settled in the rear of the army or that a criminal gang of repair pests was working.

http://www.kompravda.eu/daily/26056/2967000/

Recall that the publication of Kommersant told about the criminal case initiated under the article "Attempted Fraud" against the management of the Moscow Region Aviaremsnab company, which, as the investigation found, supplied counterfeit blocks and units for MiG-29SMT fighters to RSK MiG, intended for export to Algeria. After the Algerian side scandalously canceled the contract due to claims to the quality of the fighters, the aircraft were purchased by the Russian Defense Ministry and transferred to the Air Force. However, even there, the quality of the equipment installed on the fighters raised questions.

http://www.aex.ru/fdocs/1/2009/9/22/16274/

In the 2011 year of the director general of 275 ARZ, Vedernikov Vladimir Nikolaevich, who held his post from the 2002 of the year and his deputy for economics and finance, Valentina Malova, a criminal case was instituted.According to prosecutors, the 275th aviation repair plant in Krasnodar caused damage to the state more than 90 million rubles http://www.livekuban.ru/node/409613.

The company purchased counterfeit components and assemblies, which were then installed on aircraft under repair under the state defense order.

http://sovprom.info/services/275-arz.html Да просто наберите в любом поисковике "контрафактные узлы для ВВС"

[jPilot]

It depends on what to consider under the concept of "counterfeit", taken from boo or made in China or some other office of "horns and hooves."
I think the question is different, this is the beginning of reaping the fruits of the collapse of the USSR, i.e. the learning and professionalism of people involved in production is falling, and their zp has no small importance on the quality of produced spare parts.
IT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING!!!! If the authorities who hold it do not change their minds, they will gather at the Gaidar forums and listen to all sorts of grefs .......

[Fonmeg]

Delink (1) RU Today, 07:38 ↑ New

Are you ready to say that everything in our Army is safe?

The army is a cast of the state. And what is happening in Russian society fully applies to the Armed Forces. So there is nothing surprising, and no matter how one would like, one cannot idealize the army, at least this is a mistake.

[tso1973]

something you are stuck in the 90s! Mi-8t is the oldest of the series and there are few of them left in the troops, and those that still fly there change everything that is possible and the engines in the first place! And I know this not by hearsay. And failures happen on new technology.

[sgazeev]

Quote: LÄRZ

Quote: Corporal

Or not as reliable as it is touted?

No, it’s impossible to save on security, but if old and counterfeit aggregates and units are used to perform PPR (in order to save), then what’s the point? May God rest in peace with their souls.

Do not talk nonsense, counterfeit, all units for replacement are supplied by the manufacturer. Why should you discuss in advance about what is not. We will figure out how much.

[Aleksandr72]

Well no. Mi-8 is just the same very reliable helicopter. And in order to draw any conclusions regarding this plane crash, you first need to establish its cause. In aviation, it is believed that most of the flight accidents are caused by the fault of the aircraft crews (errors in piloting, incorrect assessment of the situation in the air, etc.). Significantly fewer accidents occur due to the fault of equipment. It should also be noted that a significant number of Mi-8s have been in operation for a very long time, and the resource of technology is not infinite.
Let the earth be lost to the dead.
I have the honor.

[tso1973]

So mi-8 is the most massive helicopter in the world and they are used all over the world, and there are different types of support everywhere, that's why they appear most often in reports!

[lukewarm]

There are many old ones. We do not know anything for conclusions yet. Its reliability is confirmed by the number of customers.

[Evgeny RS]

You know, it has always been so.
In the owls. years fell no less.
I have no statistics. I just remember my friends whose fathers (military pilots) crashed. Believe me, there were not a few of them. They fought every year and more than once. This is aviation.

[Alex_Rarog]

Only the one who does not fly does not fall ...
Land in peace wars of the Russian land ...

[avvg]

Eternal memory to all the dead, May the earth rest in peace!

[almen1]

Let the earth rest in peace.

[rotmistr60]

Another disaster with a helicopter, people died again. Of course, people are sorry. In all likelihood, technical reasons. What is it? Negligence of technicians or something else?

[Olfred]

sorry for the guys, especially in peacetime they die. My condolences.

[Al_oriso]

One helicopter crashed - an accident, two fell - a tragic accident, three fell - a pattern, more than three fell - sabotage.

[taseka]

Woe, woe, woe! The peasants did everything they could! The earth rest in peace!

[doework]

Eternal memory to the dead guys!

[lukewarm]

The kingdom of heaven and eternal memory. They took off and stayed forever. The island ... Did the helicopter belong to the Strategic Missile Forces?

[52]

Rest in peace Muzhikam. And the "eight" is quite a helicopter, that's what I do not like, there was no investigation and conclusions, there was no conclusion of the commission of inquiry, and already some hysterics on the site, let's open up our slurp. Enough, huh? And then turn the Site into some kind of "vkontakteg" or "facebook".

[atamankko]

Condolences to families and friends, brace yourself.

[Vovanfalcon]

What a "bad man" slammed two minuses for the question. Then you didn't have enough strength to read or master the essence of the question with your wits?