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Dismantling sovereignty

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Recently, speaking at the Gaidar Economic Forum, Sberbank Chairman German Gref said: “We are trying to reproduce the old Soviet, absolutely unsuitable education system, we cram a huge amount of knowledge into children”. Like, you need to change the whole chain of "science-education-business" to integrate into the global economy. Meanwhile, from Lebanon's Ministry of Education came newsthat, according to the concept of the Federal Target Program for the Development of Education in 2016 – 2020, the number of universities will decrease by 40%, and their branches by 80%.


What is Russian education prepared for? Why are the ruling elite stupid performers? These questions "AN" asked the associate professor of the department stories and politicians of European and American countries of MGIMO (University) of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, candidate of historical sciences Olga CHETVERIKOVA.

To dismantle independence ready!

- Olga Nikolaevna, the former Minister of Economic Development Gref made a reservation or let it slip, declaring the educational system unsuitable?


Dismantling sovereignty


- He simply announced an action plan for the final dismantling of Russian sovereign education, in general, Russian sovereignty. These plans were developed by representatives of large transnational business, which today in the West and in our country defines the main directions of domestic policy.
This is done in the framework of the international project "Global Education", which was imposed by a round table of European industrialists, uniting 47 of the largest corporations, and presented by UNESCO as a model for the whole world. The leitmotif of the project - education turns into a highly profitable business area, and instead of knowledge, competences and skills are approved - a product that business currently needs. Plus the continuity of education for which the employer pays, and the employee gives this money or works out all his life. Eternal bondage.

- But in Russia, so far most of the education is actually budget. What do these projects have to do with us?

- Firstly, almost the entire Russian big business is just a branch of transnational business. Because of the structure of offshore capitalism, even law enforcement agencies do not know who the ultimate beneficiary of our "giants" is. Therefore, domestic high-paid managers perform the disposal of their bosses. And they are promoting their global education. Secondly, programs have already been developed to abolish the budgetary system of higher and secondary education. This is a foresight project (from English foresight - “foresight”) “Education-2030”, developed with the participation of the Moscow School of Management Skolkovo, the Agency for Strategic Initiatives (ASI), the National Research University Higher School of Economics, Skoltech. From it came the project “Global Future Education”, presented in September 2015. The ultimate goal of the project is the scrapping of national traditional models of educational systems by 2030 and the transition to global educational platforms (“University for a Billion”).

The nearest goal outlined for 2017 – 2022 is the state’s withdrawal from education, with the exception of administrative functions, and the entry of “innovation business” into it, which instead of government assignment will train personnel according to its programs and its own discretion.

- Free education will be eliminated?


- Almost yes. There will be a few exceptions, for example, military education, a number of leading strategic universities, and that's it. This mess is explained by the economic crisis.

- When it started?

- Sprouts were laid since the 90-s of the last century, when they were developed, and in 2007, the federal education standards were fixed. They managed the most important thing - they replaced the notions “education” and “upbringing” with the notion “competence”. At the same time, the general educational space was destroyed, each school or institute could teach on any of the thousands of textbooks "something and somehow."

But then it was still impossible to declare that the remnants of the system of free education were ordered to live long. It would have begun a tremendous resistance not only of teachers, but also of the majority of parents. They decided to cook like a frog: you can't throw it into boiling water right away - it will jump out, but if the water is heated gradually, the frog will not notice and cook.

And the process of endless reforms began, in the bustle of which invisible strategic initiatives were introduced and passed. The breaking point was 2010, when, according to the law No. XXUMX-FZ, commercialization of budgetary institutions began, and according to the law No. XXUMX-FZ, education and health care from the state duty became the service sector. And if this is a service, then it can be transferred to private business. Deputy Vladimir Kashin, when adopting this law, then said that we had a constitutional coup.

"Botanists" will be dismissed

- It has already been announced that the reduction of universities is coming. Is it from the same opera?


- Yes. Only those universities that are built into the Global Education system will remain. The project “5-100-20” is already working, according to which, by 2020, five Russian institutes and universities are to be included in the hundred of the world's best “towers”. Naturally, according to certain international criteria. Now the project is already involved 21 university. These are key strategic higher educational institutions that, in particular, forged personnel for our military-industrial complex. The project is managed by the Competitiveness Council - an international advisory body that includes six people from Russia (including Gref and Livanov) and seven foreigners, in particular E. Crowley, the head of Skoltech and a member of the NASA advisory committee, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) .

- Our students will work directly on MTI, which trains personnel for the Pentagon and the NSA?

- Absolutely. According to the terms of participation in the project "5-100-20" a fundamental transformation is required in accordance with international standards, there must be a certain percentage of foreign specialists, teachers and students, a third of the programs must be in a foreign language, graduate students must publish their work in English in international magazines! And this is in educational institutions where top secret works are carried out in the interests of the country's defense. Russian brains can no longer flow to the West, and think, explore here, for the Russian money, but in the directions and in the interests of the former potential enemy. Cheaper come out.

A vivid example is the Skolkovo Center. There, everything is simply open and transparent goes abroad. All intellectual developments, applied technologies developed at the expense of the Russian budget. And this is to the fact that 150 already has thousands of our scientists, according to researchers, from 1990 to 2015, they work abroad a year.

- And what's wrong with that private business will grow its own staff?

- Previously, our state - as the main customer - defined the goals and development of education. And the goals were, for example, the formation of an educated, developed personality and good specialists. Today, a business needs someone who has only certain competencies or skills that an employer needs. Everything. There is no talk of any moral, patriotic, and diversified development. Business will not pay for it. Thus, Dmitry Peskov, the head of the Young Professionals program at ASI, and one of the developers of the Education 2030 foresight project, one-button man, are being created.

Student robotics

- That is, not a person, but a robot?

- Yes, it is only these that are needed. A person can think, reason, make independent decisions. And it is already dangerous for the system. Samuel Huntington wrote in 1974 on “The Crisis of Democracy”: “The vulnerability of a democratic government occurs ... because of the internal dynamics of democracy itself in a highly educated, mobile, and active society.” At the same time the decline and debilization of American education began for the majority of the population. A little later, such trends came to Europe, and then to our country. First, in the form of the Bologna system, a single state examination, federal standards. The destruction went slowly and quietly. Now the "dismantlers" "came out of the twilight." This is a global trend that has reached us.

- Why now?

- The world is moving to the sixth technological order. Its difference from the previous ones - it changes not so much the world around a person, as it is a person himself. His consciousness, perception, development. All nano-, bio-, info-, cognate, social humanitarian technologies (convergent technologies - CT) will be directed precisely at changing the person himself as a person, as a creator, created in the image and likeness of God. Creators are no longer needed, we need robots. An educated person is very difficult to manage, to instill false goals. A bio-object into which a person turns, stuffed instead of knowledge with certain “competences”, is easy to manage and control. Education hindered the creation of a biological object, therefore, education must be dismantled. And globally.

- Who will set the control?

- Humanity will be divided into those who control and those who control. The first is a narrow layer. The second is the bulk of the world's population. Now in the West there are fundamental changes in the concept of morality and ethics. Instead of the traditional classical concept of humanism, which the West has virtually forgotten, the concept of “bioethics” is being introduced in all documents, which is changing with the development of technology. That is, the era of humanism ends. Man as a perfect person for the global world, for politicians no longer exists. There are only biological objects and herdsmen of this herd.

All these principles form the basis of the Global Education project, which is designed to change the worldview of mankind. And we have almost been drawn into this globalization.

- Conspiracy, the global conspiracy of the "golden billion"!

- If you want to discredit something, bring it to the point of absurdity. So it is here. A conspiracy is a secret, a conspiracy. And here everything is open, all documents are freely available. They just need to collect and organize. Many scientists, including those in the Russian Academy of Sciences, have done this. But the RAS defeated, as defeated secondary and higher schools.

- In ancient Rome, and in America before the Civil War, slaves were chosen according to the specialty they had already mastered. Now slaves are supposed to grow, giving them "competence"?

- Of course. Only then was slavery a violent act, and now slavery becomes voluntary. And the worst thing is that the modern slave is happy in his slavery.
- What is it like?

- The meaning of convergent technologies - a change in the consciousness of a person who ceases to feel himself a person, voluntarily becomes part of the neuromy world. There he feels comfortable: "I am a slave, and I am happy in slavery."

- wildly sounds!

- This is wild for people who have received a classic comprehensive education. Even in the criticized Soviet schools and institutions, man was taught as a Person. We were given not "competencies", but knowledge. We were taught to think, think logically, conduct research. Therefore, for the adherents of Global Education, we are enemies. Apparently, they will soon be declared terrorists. But for today's children this is, unfortunately, becoming the norm.

- Will they also saturate their children with “skills”?

- What do you mean! It is stated in the foresight education that a two-tier system is being created. The so-called human remains - the traditional classical education for the children of the "elite" is insanely expensive. And the rest is cheap - for everyone else.

In parallel, there is a substitution of concepts. For example, cheap education or society is called "innovative." What is innovation? This is just an update. Not a goal, but a tool, a mechanism for achieving a goal. The goal itself is not registered, only the toolkit is registered. Update becomes a goal, not a means.

"Aliens" in power

- People who impose this horror not only on the top leadership of the country, but also on our children, are they enemies, agents of influence?

- This is "alien". They consider themselves part of the Western world, its value system, its “elite”. All Soviet, Russian, all Russian culture is deeply alien to them, so they are happy to break everything that their hands reach. In fact, they are simply “looking,” collaborators who will be written off at the slightest failure.

- What do we do?

- All the current social policy is determined by those who own our property, that is, a major international oligarchy and its Russian protégés. It is necessary, not in words, but in reality to move them away from making strategic decisions in the things that a sovereign state should manage in its own interests. Until this is done, all statements about our sovereignty, about our national interests, are empty words.

In the East, they say: "If you want to defeat the enemy, bring up his children." They have already eaten almost everything in the country, our children are next in line ...
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  1. SAM 5
    SAM 5 8 February 2016 06: 50
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    Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 8 February 2016 07: 05
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      Quote: SAM 5
      Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.

      So Gref himself in Sberbank does not require educated employees, but obedient robots, performers who are ege children who are easy to manage and who only think about consumerism.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 February 2016 10: 05
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        And everyone else needs those who will help the cause, now more and more the practice of training in production, under their equipment, is being introduced, and we have a lot of "tadpoles" and no USE and educational reforms will translate them.
      2. GUKTU
        GUKTU 8 February 2016 12: 31
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        However, as throughout the country, not only in Sberbank
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 February 2016 15: 48
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          Nobody needs such workers.
      3. user
        user 8 February 2016 13: 27
        +1
        It doesn’t matter where he got his education, the main thing is different.
        These are "strangers." They consider themselves part of the Western world, its value system, its "elite."
    2. meriem1
      meriem1 8 February 2016 07: 26
      +7
      Quote: SAM 5
      Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.

      That's it!!! Frightened by the competition of the growing population !!!
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 8 February 2016 07: 39
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        Quote: vovanpain
        So Gref himself in Sberbank does not require educated employees, but obedient robots, performers who are ege children who are easy to manage and who only think about consumerism.

        They forgot the words of the unforgettable Gaidar and Chubais when they said in the early 90s: “We need 10 million slaves to service the oil and gas pipe, and let the rest die out. Gref is from the same team.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 8 February 2016 08: 06
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          They forgot the words of the unforgettable Gaidar and Chubais when they said in the early 90s: “We need 10 million slaves to service the oil and gas pipe, and let the rest die out.

          Forgot. Because the mentioned citizens of such words. at least publicly. never uttered. For all the popular dislike for the liberal young reformers, one should not ascribe to them the words of Baroness Thatcher: “There should be about Russians 15 million, the minimum amount sufficient to extract raw materials and maintain gas and oil pipelines. "By the way, the authorship and veracity of this quote is also a big question. smile
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 8 February 2016 10: 44
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            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Forgot. Because the mentioned citizens have such words. at least in public. never uttered. With all the people's dislike for liberal young reformers

            I don’t remember exactly, and I didn’t find the date, the exact date, but these words were heard in 1993, either after the referendum on April 25, 1993, or after the referendum on the new constitution on December 12, 1993.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 8 February 2016 11: 17
              +3
              Quote: Amurets
              I don’t remember exactly, and I didn’t find the date, the exact date, but these words were heard in 1993, either after the referendum on April 25, 1993, or after the referendum on the new constitution on December 12, 1993.

              Maybe. I clearly remember the other. When, at the same time, Deputy Prime Minister E.T. Gaidar declared: "If the army has nothing to feed, it should be disbanded" I felt this on my own skin, so to speak. Especially for feeding.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 8 February 2016 12: 12
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                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Maybe. I clearly remember another. When, at the same time, Deputy Prime Minister Ye.T. Gaidar said: "If the army has nothing to feed it, it should be disbanded" I felt this on my own, so to speak, skin. Especially for feeding.

                I fully believe these statements you made, at about the same time he said about slaves. I came across it and remembered when someone in his comments quoted these words with regard to Maria Gaidar, when Saakashvili called her his deputy in Odessa. They say she went from Ukrainians to make slaves, fulfilling the father's precepts.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 8 February 2016 09: 33
        +4
        Quote: meriem1
        That's it!!! Frightened by the competition of the growing population !!!

        - Yeah, you think it's nice to be a specialist in demand for many years, when you leave your next job, even your wife doesn't worry - tomorrow employers will call her husband, they won't go anywhere, and then she cuts off. You start to dig, why did employers (headhunter agencies) stop calling, both, the younger generation has grown up! Elbows, knees, don't put a finger in a tooth, they graduated from a local university, and even a year or two they polished their knowledge abroad. No, of course, I would like to rejoice that the younger generation is so militant, according to the SABZ you will not be very much forced into slavery, why the SABZ did not really bother me, but you know, I want, as before, not to look for a job, but what would you call yourself "are you looking for a job at the moment?", and young people really bring discomfort. Well, it would be a bit before retirement - no, a good 15 years still to work, and here they are young, damn them! And the most offensive thing is that these young people are ready to plow completely calmly for 12 hours without problems. And the family? What about a hobby? And the Internet is not read, the posts are not zaposhenny?
        According to Sabzh, either robots will finally appear, or our children will really be turned into these robots. In China, this already exists, but in China everything is much fairer - people from any class receive a normal (and free!) Education, there is only one selection criterion - you have to draw this study! In the PRC, in this way, only a narrow stratum of people receives a quality education, but selection for this stratum is not based on kinship, material well-being, and what else, but ON ABILITY. It's just that in the PRC, for example, in mathematics, equations with X and fractions go already in the first class, and the derivative is already mastered in the fifth. And in high school, diffusion, matrices and so on decide with might and main, what we call high school and are taught only in universities. With such a school load, most Chinese children fly out of school with a whistle and then go to helpers-hairdressers.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 8 February 2016 09: 34
          +4
          By the way, we are going in about the same direction. The first-grader (he hasn't really learned how to count yet!) Is already being forced, "that this letter" X "is such a letter behind which the number is hiding, and that this number that is hiding behind this letter, we will learn to look for!" what request I feel sorry for the children!
          Alas, according to the subject of Sabzh, it’s somewhat dramatic, but I think those processes are. which are described here is largely an objective process. In other words, business needs such qualified specialists that they already have to be taught in a very intensive program like in China. And not all children can stand it and stretch it. Business does not want to drag underachievements by the hair, as was done in the USSR, which means that narrowing the circle of people who will receive this good education will inevitably go.
          The whole joke is that we will all go to bed with our bones, and give our children the education that we deem necessary. Another thing is that for this you need to have fewer children. Maybe even limit one, two parents to one child as a thread, yes, anyway, give education. And this is a decline in the birth rate and a demographic cross. This means that the issue of education is very important and requires a separate study. It may be that to hell with business and let's restore the "red project" if the business does not want to teach everyone. And the amount of knowledge that was given in the USSR (this has been verified, most children are mastering it) means that it is necessary to ironically guarantee all people and children, and for those who are a child prodigy - to create a separate educational system with an increased intensity of study. I think so, I could be wrong.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 February 2016 11: 05
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            Quote: aksakal
            I think so, I could be wrong.

            I think you are still right in your conclusions. hi
      3. IMHO
        IMHO 8 February 2016 12: 11
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        Quote: meriem1
        Quote: SAM 5
        Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.

        That's it!!! Frightened by the competition of the growing population !!!

        It seems like an article about government and education .. and where is Gref ... Then Chubais should be blamed for Gaidar too. They are to blame for all the failures of the current government .. And Obama, of course, wasps Erdogan ..
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 8 February 2016 07: 32
      +8
      Quote: SAM 5
      Gref himself where and what kind of education he received,

      Probably it's time to send Gref to advanced training courses for 10-15 years, where "knowledgeable" people will read him a full course of lectures on what happens to traitors!
      1. jPilot
        jPilot 8 February 2016 08: 47
        +2
        Unfortunately, under the current government, this is impossible, here the real "thief" lives happily ever after (Chubais, Serdyukov, etc.), and such as Gref, you can't knock them off at all. They can only be radically removed from power. Here just now one tovarisch listed "type" acts of terrorism preceding the revolution of 1917, maybe it was not terror, but precisely the elimination of such sins ?????
        But unfortunately, as I wrote earlier, "there are few real violent ......"
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 February 2016 13: 05
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          Quote: jPilot
          tovarisch listed "type" terrorist acts preceding the revolution of 1917, maybe it was not terror, but precisely the elimination of such sins ?????

          There are no free acts of terrorism)). Then (and now) the Anglo-Saxons were in turmoil.
    4. Finches
      Finches 8 February 2016 07: 43
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      Such as Gref are much more harmful than clowns from a non-systemic opposition, such as Navalny or Kasparov, because they are inside the state system and like rotten rats quietly eat it from the inside, causing tremendous harm! He and others like him gobbled up the Russian Empire at the beginning of the century, then destroyed The USSR is omnivorous, very adaptable to any conditions, quickly get used to poisons ... They flee abroad when the country is hard and return to its heyday, quickly penetrating all echelons of power! For many centuries, Russian people have been fighting the most dangerous rodent in the world - a political rat, which was once brought to us from the West. But it seems almost impossible to win.
    5. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 8 February 2016 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: SAM 5
      Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.


      But with the formation of Gref himself, a colleague, there is just a lot of incomprehensible. As recently as at the beginning of last year, this issue "surfaced" in our press, and, oddly enough, immediately subsided. Although, in theory, such an odious figure as Herman should definitely arouse the interest of the population. But no, no further publications followed, although at that moment much was written about, to put it mildly, "violations in obtaining education" by public figures.
      Something like that, colleague. hi
      PS Then the information slipped that the above person has neither economic nor financial education, but about the existing legal I wrote above.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 9 February 2016 22: 23
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        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        But with the formation of Gref himself, a colleague, there is just a lot of incomprehensible

        Gref is German. According to religion, a Catholic. Catholics have always been enemies of Orthodoxy. From the age of 27 he began to work as a lawyer. And where did he study and work until the age of 27 - ???
    6. vic58
      vic58 8 February 2016 10: 27
      +1
      And he got abrozirovanie))) On the Albanian with aglitsky okkent laughing
      1. IMHO
        IMHO 8 February 2016 12: 01
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        It’s time to replace these liberoids with Putin’s people. As he did in the Tula region.
        He still has enough guards. There are still drivers on the far end. It is disgusting to listen to the bleating of all Gref-Kudrins already.
    7. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 February 2016 13: 02
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      Quote: SAM 5
      Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.

      It seems like ours, although legal)). But, I think, Western training courses are not indicated here.
      http://finparty.ru/personal/german-gref/?utm_source=yandex&utm_medium=cpc&utm_ca
      mpaign = Finparty_Common_Cards & yclid = 5959374711683939473
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2016 06: 52
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    Is Putin the president of Russia? or is everything done in secret from him? or with his knowledge? then who is he? all the same cheers!? -
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 8 February 2016 07: 19
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      It turns out strange. The courts recognized that D. Soros and his funds are undesirable in Russia and should be closed. And the traditions that he imposed in higher education remained the same.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 8 February 2016 11: 21
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        It turns out strange. The courts recognized that D. Soros and his funds are undesirable in Russia and should be closed. And the traditions that he imposed in higher education remained the same.

        “Literacy is not the enemy of the king,” he said. “The enemy of the king is a literate dreamer, a doubting diploma, an unbelieving literacy!” We are here ...
        “Alright, alright,” said Rumata. - I believe. What are you peeing for? I read your treatise - a useful book, but stupid. How are you? Not good. Procurator!..
        “I didn’t strike with my mind,” Father Keen answered with dignity. - The only thing I wanted to be in time was in state use. Smart we do not need. Need the faithful. And we...
        “Alright, alright,” said Rumata. - I believe. So do you write what's new or not?
        - I am going to submit to the Minister for consideration the discussion about the new state, a model of which I believe the Holy Order Region.
        - What are you? - surprised Rumata. - Do you want all of us to be monks? ..
        Keen's father squeezed his hands and leaned forward.
        “Let me explain, noble don,” he said fervently, licking his lips. - The point is completely different! The essence is in the basic institutions of the new state. Establishments are simple, and there are only three: blind faith in the infallibility of laws, unquestioning obedience to them, as well as vigilant observation of everyone over everyone!
        (A. and B. Strugatsky "It is difficult to be a god")
        ... familiar, right?
    2. Constructor1
      Constructor1 8 February 2016 07: 20
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      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Is Putin the president of Russia? or is everything done in secret from him? or with his knowledge? then who is he? all the same cheers!? -



      Hmmm ... Then today's muscle game is dusting in the eyes.
      And the fact that the country is being torn apart from the inside, for some reason, none of the top management cares? am
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 07: 36
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        Quote: Designer 1
        And the fact that the country is being torn apart from the inside, for some reason, none of the top management cares?

        Why it doesn’t care - it cares, they are worried that the process is going slowly - we have to wait until we born in the USSR die out, etc.
      2. FiremamRescueS
        FiremamRescueS 8 February 2016 07: 38
        +7
        You know, in spite of my sympathy for Putin, I cannot fail to note the huge number of "Yeltsin managers" in the government and in key positions, whom, to my taste, they were simply introduced to us as agents of influence. Putin rules only where he was allowed, and these "guardians" are from the untouchable caste. in the 90s, it is felt, not only the constitution was imposed on us under dictation.
      3. ibu355yandex.ru
        ibu355yandex.ru 8 February 2016 08: 38
        +2
        Not blowing dust, but blowing steam!
      4. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 8 February 2016 09: 19
        0
        Well, one more thing came to ..... FINALLY_TO !!!!
    3. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 8 February 2016 07: 44
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      Putin has a new trend in use - restructuring the economy through privatization with a patriotic bias. It is fashionable to steal today under the Russian anthem.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 08: 10
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        Quote: coolvoldik
        It is fashionable to steal today under the Russian anthem.

        Well said)))
        “When they often start talking about patriotism, it means they stole something again!” Saltykov-Shchedrin
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    5. SergeyA
      8 February 2016 09: 11
      +1
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Is Putin the president of Russia? or is everything done in secret from him? or with his knowledge? then who is he? all the same cheers!? -

      this video explains a lot about the industry.
      I doubt that with education in another way.
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  3. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 8 February 2016 06: 53
    +5
    This enemy must be fingernail like a louse.
    1. aba
      aba 8 February 2016 07: 09
      +3
      He is not alone, and if only one, then "The detachment did not notice the loss of a soldier
      And "Yablochko" finished the song "
    2. FiremamRescueS
      FiremamRescueS 8 February 2016 07: 48
      +9
      really, you need to do something about it. children are intensely debilitated. I have little entertainment with my friends, various disputes come under a glass, in particular on the history of the Russian state. in order to resolve the dispute, we go outside and do an appropriate survey among the population. we ask people of all ages. it’s like a question from the school course of Soviet education, but young people are very difficult to answer ... adults, those who managed to hook on Soviet education, they can even say something, children don’t know anything ... you need to do something about it and urgently. if we ourselves do nothing, we risk seeing our children as idiots. you need to break away from the zombie after work and take the time for the children, to engage in the self-education of our children.
      1. aba
        aba 8 February 2016 08: 19
        +1
        really, you need to do something about it. children are intensely debilitated.


        And what to do if the government is only concerned about fulfilling its obligations to the Western "partners"?
        From the same area, article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        1. FiremamRescueS
          FiremamRescueS 8 February 2016 10: 15
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          in one book on the theme of the Second World War there was a very curious phrase, I quote verbatim: what does God have to do with it when D. R. and. to? here he brought in the meaning: what does the government have to do with it when we ourselves do not have time for our children? bring good marks from school and figs with him?
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2016 08: 23
        -2
        Quote: FiremamRescueS
        I have some fun with my friends various disputes come under a glass, in particular, on the history of the Russian state. in order to resolve the dispute, we go outside and do an appropriate survey among the population.

        laughing sorry Dan, well, I couldn’t help but jokingly comment: I introduced you to my friends after a glass of polls ... wassat (Do you respect me???) wassat yapadstalom .... laughing (I understood what you wanted to say, but presented differently ...) hi
        1. FiremamRescueS
          FiremamRescueS 8 February 2016 10: 11
          0
          as a rule, on the question: do you respect me, the booze has ended because everything is already under the table)))
      3. sa-ag
        sa-ag 8 February 2016 08: 29
        +1
        Quote: FiremamRescueS
        children intensively debility

        literally yesterday’s observation, the children at the exit admissions exam wrote their teacher’s cell phone problems and she solved everything for them, they decided not to strain their brains, then they congratulated her, the question is, why didn’t she teach them how to use the brain?
        1. FiremamRescueS
          FiremamRescueS 8 February 2016 10: 17
          0
          no need to blame teachers. they are not so sweet. we ourselves do not teach our children how to use their heads.
  4. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 8 February 2016 06: 57
    +2
    Quote: SAM 5
    Gref himself, where and what kind of education did he receive, uh ... to.

    A foreign education, in order to count the numbers and to water us with mud.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 8 February 2016 07: 13
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      to count numbers

      And mostly on a calculator laughing
    2. SAM 5
      SAM 5 8 February 2016 08: 20
      +1
      A foreign education, in order to count the numbers and to water us with mud.

      That's just it, that his education is Soviet and Russian.
  5. WYCCTPUJIA
    WYCCTPUJIA 8 February 2016 06: 59
    10
    But the education that was given in the USSR developed a person’s personality with the passing of an exam, and he didn’t guess the exam slave, he didn’t guess !!!! hi
    1. voronbel53
      voronbel53 8 February 2016 09: 08
      +1
      Yes, the current Unified State Exam is a preparation for the game of "sea battle" - did not hit, miss, hit, killed. Not how to solve a problem, but how to get into the right cell ... And if business representatives solve the problems of education, then I can imagine where this will lead us ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 February 2016 10: 08
      +2
      Starting this year, there will be no test part in the USE exams - you will need to think.
  6. PN
    PN 8 February 2016 07: 01
    0
    This is the end of the Lord.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 8 February 2016 07: 10
      +2
      Quote: PN
      This is the end of the Lord.

      Where's the gun? laughing
      Don't be afraid we'll break through. This is not the first time they have tried to erase us. "A Russian man harnesses for a long time, but drives fast," and in our case, they also stole the harness.
  7. venaya
    venaya 8 February 2016 07: 03
    +3
    He simply announced a plan of action for the final dismantling of Russian sovereign education, in general - Russian sovereignty

    Everything went to that, I assure you not the first year and not 25 years, but much more. Simply, no one wanted to notice this, there was no time, they were occupied with their personal affairs.
  8. EvgNik
    EvgNik 8 February 2016 07: 05
    12
    Scary to read. If this happens, then Russia will end. This is not the 5th column, but a real betrayal of Russia's interests. The Gref who voiced this concept (if he was not afraid - it means support is quite substantial) should be in prison, without the right to amnesty, for life. And he is not alone, but all the reformers of education.
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 8 February 2016 07: 18
      +4
      yes, a really scary picture, scary for the children ..
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 8 February 2016 07: 35
      +5
      Quote: EvgNik
      ) must be in prison, without the right to amnesty, for life. And he is not alone, but all the reformers of education.

      No correspondence!
    3. Wheel
      Wheel 8 February 2016 13: 05
      +3
      Quote: EvgNik
      The Gref who voiced this concept (if he was not afraid - it means support is quite substantial) should be in prison, without the right to amnesty, for life. And he is not alone, but all the reformers of education.

      Only Gref?
      Here one question torments me: who then brought Gref into power?
      That's right behind you and in tow ...
  9. Flinky
    Flinky 8 February 2016 07: 06
    +3
    Gref should hang. And the words of this aunt should not be blindly trusted. Never will a person cease to feel like a person.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 8 February 2016 07: 15
      +8
      Quote: Flinky
      Never will a person cease to feel like a person.

      It is also necessary to BE a PERSONALITY
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 8 February 2016 07: 20
        +4
        The personality is brought up not by education, but first of all by parents, and here the main demand from them. If parents surrender personality formation to education - I’m even at a loss how to call it ...
        Meanwhile, a shortage of qualified engineers formed in Naglostan: https://russian.rt.com/article/147052
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2016 08: 13
          +3
          Quote: Flinky
          The personality does not bring up education, but first of all parents,

          looking at the "parents" who themselves grew up in the post-Soviet space and who are now "walking" with their children, sip pivasik with a cigarette and swearing in their mouths (have you seen this in the 70s-80s and even in the 90s ???) - dark prospects are drawn for our country...
  10. Korsar4
    Korsar4 8 February 2016 07: 09
    +2
    Already seen this interview. Adequate people understand everything. But the caravan of dismantling universities is coming. Let's see what remains of the university system by December 2016.
    1. Penzuck
      Penzuck 8 February 2016 08: 53
      0
      Quote: Korsar4
      Already saw this is an interview.
      - BUT.

      Quote: Korsar4
      Adequate people understand everything.
      - B

      Quote: Korsar4
      We will seethat will remain from the system of universities by December 2016
      - AT.
      A + B + B = "I saw + I understood + but I will not do anything." = Adequate intellectual. wassat
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 8 February 2016 08: 58
        0
        I do it. In its place. About the results - ask others.
        1. Penzuck
          Penzuck 8 February 2016 11: 26
          0
          Quote: Korsar4
          I do it. In its place. About the results - ask others.

          Explain your point. 1. I do not know you, I judge only according to your words.
          2. What will "remain of the system of universities"? wassat
          but. there is no system at all. tongue
          b. order is being restored in "no system". bully
          at. you do not "rule" in these matters, which means you are sitting in your Internet hole and beeping at the members of the forum, the authorities, etc. and proudly call yourself "an adequate doer in his place", and all who disagree with you are "inadequate"? negative,
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 8 February 2016 13: 53
            -1
            1. Similarly.
            2. There are universities. The founder is. There is a system for entering and graduating from universities. Why then there is no system?
            3. Now I look in the mirror. Suddenly I really see a mouse.

            What does "steer" mean to you? Whom did he call inadequate?
            1. Penzuck
              Penzuck 9 February 2016 07: 54
              0
              Quote: Korsar4
              What does "steer" mean to you?

              Oh this is a topic for a whole essay. bully
              Quote: Korsar4
              Who called inadequate?

              Indirectly all members of the forum. V.h. me, and since you did this indirectly, I decided to check what you still wanted to say and whether I understood you correctly. But alas, talking to you is useless.

              Tolley you wanted to see what would happen with the "system of admission", or with the Ministry of Education, which has a system that includes universities.
              "The system of universities" does not exist - they are OUTSIDE of the min. education, NOT A SYSTEM.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 9 February 2016 20: 21
                -1
                Do you think that universities are outside the system of the Ministry of Education?
  11. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 8 February 2016 07: 11
    +4
    We’re preparing the system of frost formation to hell. After three years, they will also laugh at us as we are now at some countries. And these countries will laugh, and we will do it right, for by killing the frost formation we will kill our national ingenuity and originality for us.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2016 08: 16
      +2
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      -Organization system is not to hell

      and what is different with us? besides EDUCATION? What do we have for the people?
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 8 February 2016 13: 07
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        What do we have for the people?

        Show, one show ...
    2. Penzuck
      Penzuck 8 February 2016 08: 46
      0
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      We are preparing - (!) The system of education (!) Education (!) Is not (!) To hell. (!) (!) In three years, they will also laugh at us (!) Xia (!) As we are now over some countries. ( !) (!) and those countries will laugh (!) and it will be right for us, (!) for killing the obrozovanie (!) we will kill our folk wit and originality (!) - (!) another (!) (!) not for us.

      Your education is already "to hell", was it not the USE in the Russian language passed?
      According to the literature of 100! Syntax, Punctuation (All points set wassat ?), Vocabulary.
      laughing
  12. aba
    aba 8 February 2016 07: 14
    +2
    Now in the school they openly say that they have no task to cook at the university, for them the main thing is to train, namely, to TRAIN, to pass the exam. But even having passed the exam for high scores, the child has no chance to enter the budget, at least in Moscow. Three years ago, the eldest daughter went through this. Salvage steers!
    1. Penzuck
      Penzuck 8 February 2016 08: 37
      0
      Quote: aba
      Three years ago, the eldest daughter went through this.

      is A.
      Quote: aba
      Salvage steers!

      is B.
      1. A + B = "three years ago a bribe helped my daughter to enter the budget in Moscow."
      - sincere recognition?
      2. A-B = "I couldn't name three years, but those who paid went to the budget in Moscow."
      - where is the criminal case against the one who passed for the "loot"? You свидетель?
      3. What do you want to say?
  13. Telemon
    Telemon 8 February 2016 07: 17
    +3
    Time really isolate from "cultures" multi-remotes. Self-sufficient from and to! And then there will be RUSSIA luck and prosperity!
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 8 February 2016 07: 17
    +6
    In the light of the current education, they will soon do as in Australia ...
    This is an autoresponder text from a school in Australia.
    Most of the school teachers anonymously voted for this version of the text.
    This text is actually recorded and sounds on the answering machine of this school.
    The need for this text arose in connection with the introduction of a new policy, which provides for the responsibility of students and their parents for the absence of students in the classroom and outstanding homework. School and teachers were literally persecuted by parents who demanded to increase grades for their children and transfer them to the next class, despite the fact that their children missed 15-30 school days per semester and did not do enough homework.

    Hello! You have reached your school’s answering machine.
    To help you and connect with the employee you need, we ask you to listen to all the options before making a choice.
    - To lie about why your child was absent from classes - PRESS 1.
    - To find excuses for not having your child do their homework - PRESS 2.
    - To express your complaints about our work - PRESS 3.
    - To scold one of our employees - PRESS 4.
    - To ask why you did not receive the information that was actually included in your newspaper and several flyers sent to you by mail - PRESS 5.
    - If you want us to raise your child in your place - PRESS 6.
    - If you want to get to someone and slap him or just hit him - PRESS 7.
    - To request a replacement teacher a third time this year - PRESS 8.
    - To make a complaint about the work of the school bus - PRESS 9.
    - To make complaints about school lunches - PRESS 0.
    If you suddenly realized that this is the real world, your child should take seriously and responsibly his behavior, work at lessons and homework, and the fact that your child does not try and does not make efforts is not the teacher’s fault - please hang up and WISH A GOOD DAY!
    If you want to listen to this message in any other language, move to the country where it is spoken. Thank you for your interest in education!
  15. Nitarius
    Nitarius 8 February 2016 07: 20
    +9
    I understand Mr. GREF and his entire cohort .. pay a place in the CEMETERY .. for people like him ALREADY Crying Earth MATUSHA ... They already live on such DIGGERS!
  16. Per se.
    Per se. 8 February 2016 07: 21
    +1
    To live with wolves, howl like a wolf, and we have capitalism, and it has its own laws, its own rules, and its own world masters. The sin of German Gref that he is a servant of capitalism, however, like all of our government. What is there to be surprised at, you want changes, you need a change in the social system, a departure from the alien pole of power with its rules, under the already defined leaders and masters of the world capitalist system.
  17. Gurtanchik
    Gurtanchik 8 February 2016 07: 22
    +2
    Gref, about 5 years ago, at some American forum expressed himself about the Russians as a cattle mass. And nothing, a man works, works for the good ... apparently enemies. And it does not bother anyone, does not shine. So you need such a little man of the current government.
    1. ultra
      ultra 8 February 2016 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Gurtanchik
      Gref another 5 years

      Maybe not Gref, but Koch?
      1. Gurtanchik
        Gurtanchik 8 February 2016 10: 49
        0
        Well what are you! vulture exactly !!
  18. 31rus
    31rus 8 February 2016 07: 22
    0
    Dear, you somehow forgot that education is only a stage or one of the stages of reforms in Russia, we don’t have our own big business, it’s all Western, with Western money, why then smart citizens of the country? It’s written correctly in the article, two classes are controlling and under control, there’s nothing more, here’s medicine, here’s education, here’s life itself, that’s why neither the government nor the president are even interested in the word people, we need indicators, we need performers, everything else is associated costs, here they are optimized
  19. Wolka
    Wolka 8 February 2016 07: 24
    +4
    Gref the chatterbox, the poor fellow forgot that he received his first education in the Soviet SCHOOL, it was EDUCATION, and not the ability to solve crosswords ...
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 February 2016 07: 29
    +2
    There is a feeling that in our country, under the guise of democracy, quite a few charlotte divorced from various educational institutions have divorced. And under the guise of an education that is useless, money is being laundered to students. Universities should be state and serious!
  21. CONTROL
    CONTROL 8 February 2016 07: 30
    +4
    In the early 90s, I had the opportunity to take refresher courses. We are waiting for this significant, we are with a group of irresponsible comrades like me in the hall of the Lecturer's House of Culture and - when the audience is vacated. And in this very audience there is also a lecture - on raising something there; the lecturer is a Scientologist-Hubbardist ... The lecture is over, the lecturer is leaving the audience, and the audience ... They are all young, "jackets" (what is now called "office plankton" or "hamsters" ...); everything, you know, is in pink saliva and snot, delight and radiance in your eyes ... Stormy and hot discussion of impressions - "oh yeah! ..." "cool, we need to drive ours under the heel ...", "great - well, to drive the used y-dlo into the stall, where it belongs! and not to give in-ya.kat! ... "; well, and further in the same spirit ...
    It happened to me that there was a young man hanging out with Gref's face? ... or Kudrin? ... or ... (you will call suitable ones yourself - the list will be considerable!) ...
  22. afrikanez
    afrikanez 8 February 2016 07: 33
    +4
    The topic of education is now so acute that it is urgently necessary to change the entire process of education. Dullness is visible even with no armed gaze. Continuous tutoring. And what they only think at the top is not clear fool
  23. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 8 February 2016 07: 34
    +3
    The project is managed by the Competitiveness Improvement Council, an international advisory body that includes six people from Russia (including Gref and Livanov) and seven foreigners, in particular E. Crowley, the head of Skoltech and a member of the NASA advisory committee, professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) .


    A flock of banderlogs is mesmerized by overseas Kaa.

    The never-ending hybrid war is raging in education. Chic innovation - eliminate constitutionally free education; transfer education to the sphere of some "services", educate"competent consumers". Added to this is"children's rights"which cannot even be ripped out for unwillingness to learn.

    IMHO, the formation of homunculi is directly controlled by dark sorcerers from the United States.
  24. sa-ag
    sa-ag 8 February 2016 07: 49
    +3
    Well, otherwise the electorate is shown all kinds of Navalny and the Kasparovs and they say that they are the main enemies of Russia, of course, they are "rabbits out of the hat", they have designated the main ones, and this is the tip of the iceberg, now it remains to see who will approve the initiative and as they say the awl will come out of the bag, by the way, Medvedev also operates with concepts such as "competence"
  25. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 8 February 2016 07: 54
    +4
    It turns out that in our country there are only enemies in the government. Well, duck we choose them. Themselves voted in the fall for them. We eat Russia party iPhone. Putin is there only as a member of the party. Notice in the manual but as a simple party member. Lose the elections will create a new party such as milking Russia, they are not in the first. They are like 3 rats running from a sinking ship. Humanly, I felt sorry for Chernomyrdin when this liberal corrupt salesman ran into the new Bear party, losing the election to the Duma. And they quickly pushed the creators of the party further. Luzhkov gobbled up at the moment. So here they will be lined up and run around again. And to figures such as Lebanese Chubais, Gref and SO, then we just need to be reminded that there is such an article. CHANGE IS BELONGED. FOR OTHERWISE IF TOMORROW IN THE COUNTRY THAT ANYTHING WILL HAPPEN, BELIEVE ALL THESE WORKERS AS A PERCENT AND 90% COMMERCIALS WILL TURN ON THE WEST. And we will steer some. At 17 THE FIRST TIME WAS THE BOURGEOIS REVOLUTION TO NIKOLASHA WELL NEVER LENIN FORCED TO REJECT THE CHRIST. BOURGEOIS TO RULE WANTED. AND WHEN THE COUNTRY BEGAN TO DISPOSE SPECIFICALLY, THEN AND THE LENIN AND THE COMPANY came to power. BUT THEY COLLECTED THE COUNTRY. AND NOW WHAT AGAIN TO GATHER AGAIN. HERE AND THINK FOR WHOM TO VOTE. WE SELECT THEM.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 8 February 2016 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      Well, duck we choose them.

      Do you naively believe this? laughing laughing laughing
  26. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 8 February 2016 08: 00
    +1
    Such as Gref should not live.
  27. Riv
    Riv 8 February 2016 08: 08
    0
    The author is slightly contradicting himself. Well, for example: if only the military remains free education, then in fifteen years the relics of the Russian army will be envied by the Galactic Empire. Seriously. Better education than a combined arms school will not give a single university.

    And if for elite children the education is also elite - sorry, but this is also the path to world domination. If you want to subjugate the country, on the contrary, the children of its elite have learned to wipe your ass - and enough science. The elite should be cattle, only with show-offs. Well, Ukraine is a good example.

    Well and the main thing: what education did Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov receive in childhood? Yes, almost none! He knew only Macedonian history, but did you see his handwriting? And nothing. He drove with pissed rags and Turks, and the French, and Poles, and often significantly inferior in strength. This is me again about the military school.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 8 February 2016 08: 31
      +3
      Quote: Riv
      Well, for example: if only the military remains free education, then in fifteen years the relics of the Russian army will be envied by the Galactic Empire.

      What about the civilian sector, what might an army have without industry?
      1. Riv
        Riv 8 February 2016 09: 54
        0
        An officer, even with minimal experience in civilian life, will always find a place for himself. But there are specialized military schools, for example, medical ones. A graduate of the school of internal troops will be torn off with hands in any police department.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 8 February 2016 13: 27
      0
      Quote: Riv
      if only military will remain free education

      And who said that it will correspond to the present? It will be in the US manner, and the military will serve not Russia, but the SGA.
  28. 9057654472
    9057654472 8 February 2016 08: 14
    +5
    Frankly speaking, it’s not without reason that Old Man Lenin strove to eradicate illiteracy, at present, the young people who passed the Unified State Examination know perfectly well the elementary, such as why it’s colder in the upper layers of the atmosphere and there is thunder and lightning at the surface, or you just see lightning, in the process of training young engine repairs, the fasteners are exposed to risks, the tightening torque in degrees, I ask how many degrees are around, the whole trinity is silent, what is diameter, radius, and they graduated from high school, school, knowledge is zero, I think I don’t, but they clearly know how much they need to earn to cover their needs, and in Soviet times the round binary compared to the modern excellent pupil is a professor, this is the result of a real education, insert into your young head what you want and what you want, neither your opinion nor logical thinking , convenient material, and the parents that they are looking for a means of subsistence and this child feed and clothe.
  29. Penzuck
    Penzuck 8 February 2016 08: 25
    0
    "Grefon-haters" - 1. There are many "universities" that prepare "slag", and they can be easily closed. We all understand that it is better to train 100 "industrial engineers" than 1000 other "economists-philologists". We need both, but the optimal number.
    2. There are budgetary universities (FSBEI HPE), where the entire enrollment study at the expense of the state, however, not all state employees go to work for the state, in the worst case, they trade on the market. So why would such an "engineer" study at our expense, consider it not for the economy. And just the task is to provide 100% employment of "state employees".
    3. There are "mixed" universities where, along with the paid and budgetary ones, there are "target groups", i.e. the firm wants an employee, pays for the student's tuition and pays a scholarship, and such a student is guaranteed to join the economy.
    4. Due to the excessive number of universities, boys and girls do not go to study in "technical schools", it comes to the point that people with engineering education (and the requirement is only to read the drawings) are lured for six months to study as operators of CNC machines. The engineer is also a tractor driver, although the machine operator from the "stag" has more practical knowledge. - and the worker has more salary ...
    5. The exam works, and it works not bad. There are shortcomings, but the system is improving ...
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 8 February 2016 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: Penzuck
      however, not all state employees go to work for the state; in the worst case, they trade on the market. So why would such an "engineer" study at our expense, consider it not for the economy.

      Yeah, that’s where the dog rummaged, the question is, why is a graduate with an engineering education going to work not in profile? We exclude the case with an error in the choice of education
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 8 February 2016 10: 51
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        Yeah, that’s where the dog rummaged, the question is, why is a graduate with an engineering education going to work not in profile? We exclude the case with an error in the choice of education

        This is just not a question: the graduate of the school wants to have knowledge (and there are a lot of them with abilities), but after graduation he needs to work for such a salary, having (not always, true) good knowledge - does not want to! ...
        ... Education does not allow!
        (True, I must admit - some work in general does not allow abrosive)
      2. Penzuck
        Penzuck 8 February 2016 12: 22
        0
        Quote: sa-ag
        Yeah, here the dog rummaged
        - looking for a black cat in a black room when she is not?

        Quote: sa-ag
        Why is a graduate with an engineering degree not going to work on a profile?

        Patamuchta: 1. low salary
        2. low quality education.
        3. type of slope from the army and not a profession.
        4. weak control.
        And why are they lured into working professions - technical schools and colleges have been lost, and "universities" have spawned. The specialized college recently recruited 100 people in economic specialties, but no one went as a tractor driver.
  30. Neophyte
    Neophyte 8 February 2016 08: 39
    +2
    By the way, in Western education, such training has long been practiced. That's why there are so many ignorant people. Many achievements in science and technology are promoted by immigrants from Russia and Asia. As a summary, from the president’s speech, only 10% of technical universities correspond to the realities of the transition to 6th technological structure? And therefore, the authorities had the illusion that only the transition of education according to Western criteria would be able to create an army of highly educated specialists! Nevertheless, based on the facts of ownership of the main resources of the foreign country GOVERNMENTAL residents through intermediaries Russian leaders, many in Russia becomes obvious!
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 February 2016 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Neophyte
      By the way, in Western education, such training has long been practiced. That's why there are so many ignorant people. Many achievements in science and technology are promoted by immigrants from Russia and Asia.

      I already mentioned this fact once, I remind you again.
      I have a friend - a cardiologist, rather middle-aged and pretty experienced. He got the most sophisticated American collection of articles on a specialized specialty (cardiology); excellent edition, thin paper, font, tosho ... thickness - not a fly, beat a rhinoceros beetle at a time ...
      And he showed me a list of authors in the table of contents ... There are two English (read - Americans!) Surnames! the rest (working in the USA!) - Chinese, Japanese, Koreans ... Indians, Palestinians, Jews ... Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians ... another couple of English (marked in the biographical data) Scots and Irish from England ... Published books in the early 2000s; according to a friend - sensible articles! ...
  31. Million
    Million 8 February 2016 08: 47
    +1
    But Putin probably doesn’t know anything ....
    1. ultra
      ultra 8 February 2016 09: 11
      0
      Quote: Million
      But Putin probably doesn’t know anything ....

      Do not encroach on the holy! laughing
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  33. Siberia
    Siberia 8 February 2016 09: 20
    0
    I think educated people have long understood that slaves are being prepared from us and our children. With the introduction of the exam, it became especially noticeable ...
  34. vovan50
    vovan50 8 February 2016 09: 37
    +4
    What kind of modern education can we talk about in oligarchic-bureaucratic Russia? For the ruling regime to go on the formation of critical thinking of students in schools and universities is like signing a death sentence.
  35. vovan50
    vovan50 8 February 2016 09: 48
    0
    From the speech of V.I. Lenin at the 3rd congress of the Komsomol.
    The old school stated that it wants to create a man comprehensively educated, that she teaches science in general. We know that this was completely false, for the whole society was founded and held on the division of people into classes, into exploiters and oppressed. Naturally, the whole old school, being completely saturated with the class spirit, gave knowledge only to the children of the bourgeoisie. Every word of it was faked in the interests of the bourgeoisie. In these schools, the young generation of workers and peasants was not so much educated as trained in the interests of the same bourgeoisie. They were brought up in such a way as to create suitable servants for her that would be able to give her a profit and at the same time not disturb her peace and idleness.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 February 2016 11: 13
      0
      Quote: vovan50
      the old school, being completely saturated with the class spirit, gave knowledge only to the children of the bourgeoisie. Every word of it was faked in the interests of the bourgeoisie.

      ... went past the classrooms to the office of the school procurator. From the classrooms came the buzzing of voices, choral shouts. "Who is the king? Bright majesty. Who are the ministers? Faithful, knowing no doubts ...", "... And God, our creator, said:" I will curse. And cursed ... "," ... And if the horn trumpets twice, crumble in two as if in a chain, lowering the peaks ... "," ... When the tortured person falls into unconsciousness, stop the test without being carried away ... " (A. and B. Strugatsky "It is difficult to be a god")
      ... military schools, you say - will remain on the budget? nude ...
      ... Galactic Empire? ...
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  37. drags33
    drags33 8 February 2016 10: 01
    +1
    Well, now it becomes obvious to everyone that "tovarisch" Gref (and in general, this whole company of Chubais, Lebanese and many others) is an outright enemy for our country, our children, our intellectual potential ... : "What to do"??? How to strangle this enemy hydra, which has deeply spread its tentacles in our society? I am afraid that if the GDP does not make a fundamental decision and does not part with the "liberals" (and now there is a fierce struggle in the upper echelons of power between the "liberals" and the patriots), Russia will simply not exist soon!
  38. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 8 February 2016 10: 04
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    Why have they piled on Gref? This is already an enemy of the people. And where is the so-called "guarantor" who should plant this enemy of the people together with the rest of the enemies of the people? Drink and eat together from the same trough.
  39. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 8 February 2016 10: 43
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    Putin then go and do not know. Although he has been in power for sixteen years, just like Brezhnev, half of Stalin's term. You need to write a letter to him, open your eyes - "Tsar, your boyars are bad, they have conceived zrada, and you are our falcon and do not know anything."
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 8 February 2016 10: 59
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      Quote: chunga-changa
      Putin then go and do not know. Although he has been in power for sixteen years, just like Brezhnev, half of Stalin's term. You need to write a letter to him, open your eyes - "Tsar, your boyars are bad, they have conceived zrada, and you are our falcon and do not know anything."

      And how many such letters were in the history of Russia? The last of January 9, 1905. And how did it end? Recent History of Russia and the USSR.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 8 February 2016 12: 21
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        Quote: Amurets
        Last January 9th, 1905

        C'mon, that's the last.)
  40. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 8 February 2016 10: 45
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    The "west" has long abandoned "sovereignty" for a thoroughly pragmatic society does not need "sovereignty" - it is burdensome and brings problems instead of income. That is why my Western colleagues look at us Russians as an idiot and sov, wondering that we are constantly “running around” with our “sovereignty”, our “special way”, etc. In the "west" no one at all "soared" about the fact that they have taken away their suvennitet "they do not even care about the" light "where the government that controls them will be located, even on the moon, since they believe that all the rules, life, business rules , social, personal relations, business rules, attitude to the environment, etc. and so on are the same everywhere regardless of the country - that in the United States, that in Europe and because the fact that the United States controls all of Europe there is perceived quite normally, since the United States and Europe shares the same “values.” It is from this that the misunderstanding of us Russians comes from, it is precisely because in Europe they shrug their shoulders when we tell them that they have lost their sovereignty and the United States turns them around as they want- “so what, they say we are a global economy and we all have the same "challenges", both in the United States and in the European Union. Opera and so on. And the problems are also the same, because if Washington knows how to solve these problems, why should we be against it? "In general," the train left "- the globalization of economies gradually led to the globalization of thinking and consciousness and the" world government " -already reality, it is "already here".
  41. alicante11
    alicante11 8 February 2016 12: 39
    +1
    Of course, the problems and chaos in our education are above the roof. I myself work in this area. But this article is too pessimistic. In addition to the desire of gentlemen like Gref, there are also the desires of the local authorities, and around the universities themselves there are a lot of all kinds of prosperous people. So it is very difficult to close a university that really works. At the same time, if it is possible to legally liquidate a university, then in fact it is not realistic to close a large university. Our pedagogical university was "closed" in front of the techie. Poured into the PNU. When TOGU bursts from gluttony, they will return it. I hope that our piece of iron will also get indigestion and return the technical school freedom.
    At the same time, it is not only possible, but necessary, to reduce all sorts of pseudo-higher education institutions that do not even have their own areas, not to mention equipment, and which stamp lawyers-economists without minimal knowledge.
    1. drags33
      drags33 8 February 2016 16: 15
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      I have also been working at the university for quite a long time ... But I can only partially agree with you. It is one thing to cleanse education from adhered commercial structures (this is simply necessary to do!), And another thing is to preserve and develop what was in Soviet education. Now the absolute majority of universities (with the exception of elite ones) are simply kept "in a black body" and, if possible, are destroyed (or "united" for complete degradation). It was impossible to thoughtlessly accept the Bologna system in Russia, it was necessary to develop and improve what we got from the USSR. Today we have lived to the point that we have stopped graduating engineers ... And somehow this "strangely" coincided with the collapse of the industry. It is these two circumstances that will destroy industrial Russia. And the defense industry can hardly exist without a developed civilian industry. So the loss of education is really a loss of sovereignty, with all the ensuing disastrous consequences for the country.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 9 February 2016 05: 18
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        Now the vast majority of universities (with the exception of elite ones) are simply kept "in a black body"


        What do you mean, "kept in a black body"? Budget transfers are allocated, and then the question of how the university can earn money. I would not mind if educational institutions switched entirely to budget funding. But ... capitalism, Iago's mother go ...

        Today we lived to the point that we stopped graduating engineers ...


        Well, they haven't stopped yet. In our head university there are bachelors (4 years) and masters (6 years). But what to do with them, no one knows, there are no posts for them on the railway. Therefore, the main demand is for graduates of the "specialist" type - 5 years, an analogue of engineers.

        So the loss of education is really a loss of sovereignty, with all the disastrous consequences for the country.


        And this is precisely why the elite will not allow the destruction of education in principle. Now work, IMHO, is being carried out to reduce higher education in the humanitarian fields. Because humanities with higher education are simply nowhere to go. And so the contingent of applicants are trying to redirect just to technical specialties. At least, I am aware of the closure of exclusively humanitarian specialties, for example, at the Komsomol Polytechnic or our ped, also completely humanitarian.
  42. iouris
    iouris 8 February 2016 13: 09
    +1
    Gref, Livanov, Chubais - drive belts. It was not possible to build communism, which means that the next generation of Soviet people will live under a slave system. The situation in education confirms this. Students do not know how to think, analyze. Simple fractions do not know. History is perceived in Hollywood.
    Not all, of course, but 99%. The question is whether 1% is enough to ever make a difference.
    Not the Ministry of Defense, but the Ministry of Education and Culture today determine what will happen in 10-15 years.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 8 February 2016 14: 41
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      Quote: iouris
      Gref, Livanov, Chubais - drive belts. It was not possible to build communism, which means that the next generation of Soviet people will live under a slave system. The situation in education confirms this. Students do not know how to think, analyze. Simple fractions do not know. History is perceived in Hollywood.
      Not all, of course, but 99%. The question is whether 1% is enough to ever make a difference.
      Not the Ministry of Defense, but the Ministry of Education and Culture today determine what will happen in 10-15 years.

      And this 1% goes to silicone valley. There the conditions and prospects are better.
  43. Alex Xorkam
    Alex Xorkam 8 February 2016 14: 58
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    The prospect of introducing learning is described by Pierre Boole in the Planet of the Apes. For Gref, Livanov and other brainless, abusive USSR education remind the finale of this book. Having escaped from the Planet of the Apes, where people have degraded and descended to the state of animals from rational Monkeys, the astronaut returns to his home planet Earth, in the suburbs of Paris, where a reasonable Gorilla drove up to his rocket.
    It’s terrible not the dullness of individual Grefs and Lebanese, it’s terrible that they are ready to vote again for deputies who cannot pass a resolution on their dismissal and do not repeal the ugly laws.
  44. Kite
    Kite 8 February 2016 15: 12
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    I would like to have a more precise definition of what the author calls a comprehensive education.
    There are no universal doctors from a therapist to a neurosurgeon, there are no universal engineers, designers, physicists, chemists, ......, and historians are very specialized, including the author. But if a physicist can understand what is in ballet, then this is not yet a comprehensive education.
    This is the current accumulated level of knowledge. One has to confine oneself to studying information on a specialty, and even this is not enough time, life is not enough.
    Meanwhile from Lebanese Ministry of Education the news came that, according to the concept of the Federal target program for the development of education for 2016–2020, the number of universities will be reduced by 40%, and their branches - by 80%.
    What is Russian education preparing for? Why are the ruling elite stupid performers?

    - there is no sympathy for Livanov, but there is also no delight from the abundance of "universities" and "academies", if such "universities of Natalia Nesterova" are torn away from state support, then there will be only benefit. I would be outraged if problems are created by Moscow State University, Phystech, MEPhI, ......., - to those who have been keeping science since Soviet times.
    "Comprehensively developed" personality - those who received a diploma, but working in a different field of activity? Self-Assessment Diploma?
    So that there would be less cost that diplomas get very often without any benefit, you should think hard. Good Soviet education was not accessible to everyone. Do not be fooled by romantic memories. Half of the children left secondary school after 8th grade in vocational schools or technical schools, 40 percent of 10th grade graduates went to universities, 10 percent (if not more) were eliminated before graduating from university, 50% of those graduated worked, specializing in junior ones posts remained until retirement interest of 5-10. This is such an efficiency of life selection. But is it worth it to speed up the selection, there is not enough life time to master knowledge in complex specialties?
    1. Kite
      Kite 8 February 2016 17: 26
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      I see there are those who disagree. Then I will propose to remember whether the level of initial knowledge at the Physics Department, in Phystech, in honeys, ... Were everyone ready to enter MGIMO, "pleshka" .....
      And more about the branches: - to be honest, the branch can be like a university faculty, but not supposedly a complete duplicate of the base university. If it is equal in terms of equipment to the basic institution, then why not have your own meaningful name? Therefore, I do not panic at the words about reducing the number of faculties. The essence and purpose of reductions should be clarified. To propose to the independent ones to take shape after the deadline, to the left-hand shops to close access to the commercial use of authoritative names of universities, so that they do not fool the people and do not "" cut "wool" from the rams. "
  45. drags33
    drags33 8 February 2016 16: 00
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    After reading it becomes clear that this is not only the dismantling of the sovereignty of the country, it dismantling of all civilization. Add to this the LGBT streams that erode the natural foundations of society and become uncomfortable. Yes, we lost a lot with the collapse of the USSR (for all its shortcomings ...). Is the world moving towards complete degradation?
  46. razved
    razved 8 February 2016 20: 16
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    How much longer can these liberal traitors be tolerated?
  47. aviapit123
    aviapit123 8 February 2016 21: 50
    +1
    Quote: Penzuck
    s / n the worker has more.

    oh, I have an 17000 locksmith - a repairman for CNC machines, an engineer mechanic 23 sp.
    1. Penzuck
      Penzuck 9 February 2016 08: 00
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      Quote: aviapit123
      oh, I have an 17000 locksmith - a repairman for CNC machines, an engineer mechanic 23 sp.

      an engineer works with me for 9 thousand rubles of salary and 25% of the bonus. And the "locksmith" does not have to be the "locksmith". And workers have a completely different bonus, it depends on the amount.
  48. Michael
    Michael 9 February 2016 20: 30
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    Soon the old frames will leave .... And then the conversation with you will be different!
    Quote: Penzuck
    Quote: aviapit123
    oh, I have an 17000 locksmith - a repairman for CNC machines, an engineer mechanic 23 sp.

    an engineer works with me for 9 thousand rubles of salary and 25% of the bonus. And the "locksmith" does not have to be the "locksmith". And workers have a completely different bonus, it depends on the amount.

    All this will be in dollars ....! Wait a bit .. You all deserve a better future! The government is robbing you ...