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Accident at Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant in New York State

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Information Agency Associated Press reports that a nuclear power plant in the state of New York (USA) has released radioactive substances as a result of the accident. We are talking about the Indian Point nuclear power plant, located about 50 km north of the largest US city (New York) - in the village of Buchanan. It is reported that the radioactive substance fell into the groundwater. At the same time, New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo said that "there is no threat to life and health for New Yorkers yet."


Accident at Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant in New York State


This is the third incident at Indian Point over the past few years. In 2010, an explosion occurred at one of the NPP transformers, which caused a serious threat to the operation of the atomic reactor. Urgently, the operation of the reactor had to be stopped until the causes of the explosion of the transformer were established and it was restored. Last year, a transformer at an American power plant caught fire, causing an oil spill.

In 70-ies, one of the three units of Indian Point nuclear power plants was closed due to high accident rates and non-compliance with safety requirements.

The governor of the state (the same one who said that the release of radioactive substance does not bear any threat to the life and health of citizens) requested to carefully study the work of nuclear power plants in the state of New York. The appeal was made by Basil Seggos, Commissioner of the United States Environmental Protection Department, and Howard Zucker, the head of the health department.

I am deeply concerned that a radioactive substance recently leaked into the groundwater at the Indian Point nuclear power plant. This is not the first such release of radioactive water at Indian Point and this is not the first time that Indian Point has experienced significant setbacks in its operation of technical equipment. This failure continues to demonstrate that Indian Point cannot continue to work in a format that is threatening the environment.
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  1. seti
    seti 7 February 2016 13: 53
    129
    This is the best advertisement of the Russian nuclear industry.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 13: 56
      13
      It would be necessary to help, but they will not let me in! The bastards do not listen to us ..!
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 7 February 2016 14: 17
        147
        2025th US New York State
        - Grandfather, is it true that in 2016 there was an accident at a nuclear power plant in Buchanan?
        “True, granddaughter,” said the grandfather, and stroked the girl on the head.
        “Is it true that everything went without consequences?”
        “True, granddaughter,” said the grandfather, and stroked the girl on the second head.
        And so, wagging their tails, they continued to walk through the concrete tunnel.
        1. Blondy
          Blondy 7 February 2016 14: 55
          71
          Information for impressionable enthusiasts.
          Heavy water leaked with an isotope of heavy hydrogen - tritium, indeed, characterized by weak radioactivity. And it may very well be that the damage to health is not depleted if one does not meddle and do not drink this water (if, it would have imagined, there is someone to raise it without us, the amount of their compensation would not be dreamed of).
          But tritium is not mentioned in this flock, and it seems that the accident is almost Chernobol, and the administration is lying. And what did the author want to achieve through this silence? What would we once again be glad that not only is bad with us, but the elite are bastards?
          1. Pupon63
            Pupon63 7 February 2016 16: 01
            97
            I dare to correct, tritium is superheavy hydrogen, and deuterium is heavy ...! Although the leak of both of them is of course a disaster !!! I have worked all my life in this industry myself and I know what it is. We have the safest reactors in the world at Beloyarsk NPP! BN-600 and BN-800! At fast neutrons. Yours faithfully......... hi
            1. cniza
              cniza 7 February 2016 16: 10
              11
              We must offer them the modernization or construction of new ones. wink
              1. Amnestied
                Amnestied 7 February 2016 17: 56
                23
                Quote: cniza
                We must offer them the modernization or construction of new ones.

                Are you sho An urgent need to put under UN control all nuclear energy, and all US nuclear warheads! The USA is Upper Volta with nuclear weapons! Immediately reverse HEU-LEU to Russia laughing
                1. jjj
                  jjj 7 February 2016 19: 51
                  +6
                  I would like to draw attention to the chain of successive earthquakes that began in Kamchatka and continued in Taiwan. Now Japan should shake, and then the west coast of the USA
                  1. Agent_017
                    Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 01
                    +2
                    Is the wave going? We look ...
              2. Agent_017
                Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 00
                +5
                We must offer them to live quietly in their country, raise children, enjoy life and stop nightmare Peace ...
              3. Tra-ta-ta
                Tra-ta-ta 7 February 2016 23: 13
                +3
                We must offer them the modernization or construction of new ones.
                They should be offered to return stolen Uranus-235 to Russia ..
                And then one station, along the way, has already "gobbled up" on the ball ...
              4. vic58
                vic58 8 February 2016 11: 04
                +1
                What for? They will build in Rohland !!! Westinghouse steers hi
            2. Blondy
              Blondy 7 February 2016 16: 21
              -24 qualifying.
              Well, of course, super-heavy - but is it worth it to once again compass the brains of the people?
            3. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 7 February 2016 17: 40
              +9
              Quote: Pupon63
              the leak of both of them is of course a disaster !!! I have worked all my life in this industry and I know what it is.

              And what is the catastrophe? If you know "what it is," then why sow panic?
              Quote: Blondy
              Is it worth it to once again compass people brains?
              fair question !!!
              Quote: Tol100v
              More precisely, infected, not heavy! These are two big differences!
              And what did they infect her with? Really bacilli of Ebola?
              Why am I clowning around like that?
              Yes, everything is very simple! Look, at least in WIKI and you will read:
              Heavy hydrogen water has the same chemical formula as ordinary water, but instead of two atoms of the ordinary light hydrogen isotope (protium) it contains two atoms of the heavy hydrogen isotope - deuterium, and its oxygen isotopic composition corresponds to atmospheric oxygen. The heavy water formula is usually written as D2O or 2H2O. Externally, heavy water looks like ordinary water - a colorless liquid with no taste or smell. It is not radioactive.
              ... heavy water is much less toxic than, for example, salt. Heavy water was used to treat daily arterial hypertension in people from 10 to 675 g D2O per day.
              The human body contains as much natural admixture as much deuterium as in 5 grams of heavy water; This deuterium is mainly found in light heavy water molecules HDO, as well as in all other biological compounds in which there is hydrogen.

              So what is the danger of leaks? And the fact that there are "fragments" with high induced radioactivity. It can be metal salts of fittings, pipes, etc. And heavy water itself leads to infertility only when 25% of hydrogen is replaced in the tissues of the mammalian body. But you need to drink so much that it is easier to burst before the experiment begins!
              Yours faithfully, hi
              1. Blondy
                Blondy 7 February 2016 23: 19
                -2
                Oh, and I already put 17 minuses for undercompassing. Well, no, no problem, we’ll recompare.
                As we see from the material of the respected Boa KAA, deuterium is contained in the heavy water used in the reactors - then where did tritium come from in the leak?
                But where did
                The US National Nuclear Safety Administration (NNSA) is working to restore the United States' ability to produce tritium, one of the key radioisotopes for the needs of the military nuclear program.
                Tritium has a relatively short half-life of 12.33 years, and its reserves are subject to periodic renewal. During the Cold War, tritium was produced in the United States at the nuclear facilities of the Savannah River (South Carolina) and Hanford (Washington).
                The last of the industrial tritium production reactors was shut down in the United States in 1988 for safety reasons. Since then, the only source of replenishment of tritium has been reuse of tritium from dismantled warheads. Of course, this is just a temporary solution.
                In 1996, the United States adopted the Tritium Readiness Program, which NNSA is currently responsible for. The annual budget of the program is up to $ 70 million.
                The production of tritium in the United States is now as follows. Stainless steel SVPs containing lithium and zirconium aluminate (tritium-producing burnable absorber rods, TPBAR) are irradiated in the Watts Bar-1 reactor owned by TVA.
                The exposure period is 18 months. After being removed from the core, TPBAR rods are transported to the Savannah River for processing and isolation of tritium and subsequent preparation of tritium for transmission to the military.
                Since the exposure of the first batch of standard TPBARs (2003), Americans have experienced technical difficulties. First of all, tritium leaks - or "penetrates" - through the shells of the rods into the coolant, and the leakage rate is significantly higher than predicted. The release of tritium into the coolant, and subsequently into the atmosphere, inevitably leads to an increase in doses to the population of the surrounding areas.
                1. Blondy
                  Blondy 8 February 2016 08: 15
                  +3
                  Already 21 minus. Well, let's continue about compassing.
                  The media reported that in some places the radioactivity of tritium exceeded its natural radioactivity by 65 times. It seems to be a horrible figure - all the "Faberge" are instantly hard-boiled. However, instead of clutching at the head in horror, let's count.
                  Also given:
                  In natural waters, there are 6500-7200 1H hydrogen atoms per deuterium atom, and in order to detect one tritium atom, you must have at least 10 * 18 1H atoms.
                  (Sorry, hereinafter * in front of the numbers indicates the exponent, otherwise no matter how)
                  That is, 65 = 000x6.5 * 10, the specific concentration of deuterium by protium (4H) is 1 6.5x2 * -10 and tritium is 3x1 * -10.
                  Based on the fact that radioactivity depends on the concentration, we multiply the natural concentration of tritium 1x10 * -18 by 6.5x10 * 4, and we get 6.5x10 * -14, which is 10 billion (1x10 * 10) times less than the natural concentration of deuterium in ordinary water. But how terrible looks 65000 as presented by journalists
            4. 72jora72
              72jora72 8 February 2016 07: 21
              +2
              .We have the safest reactors in the world at Beloyarsk NPP! BN-600 and BN-800! At fast neutrons. Sincerely.
              No, the safest reactors we have are at the Bilibino NPP. EGP-6 thermal neutron reactor (heterogeneous energy loop), tongue
            5. vic58
              vic58 8 February 2016 11: 09
              0
              Great advantage! At least someone knows this! (Sorry, really without sarcasm!) good
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 7 February 2016 16: 26
            +5
            Quote: Blondy
            that not only are we bad, but the elite are scum?

            and you feel bad ?!
            we don’t have, honey, +9 on the street and the birds are singing
            1. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 7 February 2016 19: 42
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              we have ... the sun, on the street +9 and the birds are singing

              thanks for the positive +++ good drinks
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 7 February 2016 20: 57
                +5
                you're welcome drinks
          3. Altona
            Altona 7 February 2016 16: 37
            10
            Quote: Blondy
            But tritium is not mentioned in this flock, and it seems that the accident is almost Chernobol, and the administration is lying. And what did the author want to achieve through this silence? What would we once again be glad that not only is bad with us, but the elite are bastards?

            ----------------------------
            Well, this is a normal practice for them to hush up the scale of the problem. British Petroleum also tried for a long time to silence the oil leak from a well in the Gulf of Mexico, until the mega-spot washed ashore and destroyed coastal birds such as ducks, seagulls and the like. And so such cases were stopped with coagulants. A couple of echelons of powder were thrown into the water to bind oil and turn it into a mass such as clay or silt deposited on the bottom ...
          4. Felix
            Felix 7 February 2016 18: 04
            +9
            Quote: Blondy
            Information for impressionable enthusiasts.


            Madame, I think this is not about that. The fact of the accident at the nuclear power plant is important to most people, and what’s leaked there and how much is the third matter. Well, of course, the emphasis is placed on the fact that nuclear safety in penguin is not up to standard.
            1. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 7 February 2016 19: 42
              +3
              Such accidents incidentally happen several times a year around the world ..
            2. Dryuya2
              Dryuya2 7 February 2016 19: 52
              +7
              Quote: Felix
              The fact of the accident at the nuclear power plant is important to most people, and what’s leaked there and how much is the third matter.

              in, in - it depends on how to present 5-10 alarmists and people will begin to demand evacuation.
              and try to explain to young mothers something about heavy water, tritium, deuterium (belay) - a schucher is poisoning us.
              =====
              P.S. I understand now all the products from the US are radioactive? wink
              1. Felix
                Felix 7 February 2016 20: 10
                +7
                Quote: Dryuya2
                P.S. I understand now all the products from the US are radioactive?

                And not only products ... Internet traffic - too belay
                1. ZSP
                  ZSP 8 February 2016 16: 53
                  0
                  Then I disconnect - goodbye Internet crying
            3. Agent_017
              Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 02
              +5
              It’s they who can constantly pour mud over us, now they’re in a shit ... I’m not gloating, but I really have to hit the bastard with a hammer ..
          5. Agent_017
            Agent_017 7 February 2016 19: 58
            +1
            Let even the isotope of ficalia come up from them, the Lord sends them for the kindness of democracy ...
          6. Riv
            Riv 7 February 2016 21: 06
            +7
            However, the excuse about tritium will work for the American hamster: "Ah! Tritium is not dangerous, let's go and drink Coca-Cola." And the Russian hamster is technically a little savvy and understands that it will not be possible to separate tritium from other isotopes so easily. If the water is contaminated with radioactive substances, then there are not necessarily one or two of them in it. There is always iron in the water circuits, chromium, nickel, stupid oxygen at last ... What do they turn into when they catch neutrons?

            The coolest thing is that they do not turn into anything good and useful. But the American is better off not knowing this, right?
          7. vadimtt
            vadimtt 8 February 2016 08: 50
            +4
            Journalists 2 nuclear science. The first information in this article was to be information on the level of the accident on the INES scale, everything else is tinsel.
            But of course you can gloat - the American military-industrial complex will receive less tritium - the most expensive component of boosted nuclear loaves and hydrogen bombs. After all, all these dances with lithium deuteride are rogue by and large bully

            PS: Blonde +
          8. avdkrd
            avdkrd 8 February 2016 12: 21
            0
            Quote: Blondy
            the amount of their compensation we never dreamed of)

            That compensation was received by residents of New Orleans and assistance to the victims was directly at the level of compensation ....
          9. alexey water
            alexey water 10 February 2016 12: 26
            0
            If you do not drink this water and do not meddle there ..... Well, well. But the fact that groundwater, according to the principles of communicating vessels, can get into local lakes, rivers, and wells, doesn’t it count? For me, any leakage of radioactive water is already a serious accident, especially if it is not localized.
        2. IrOqUoIs
          IrOqUoIs 7 February 2016 18: 49
          +6
          It's time to shoot thriller / horror films about Amer NPPs.
          1. Yarik
            Yarik 7 February 2016 19: 55
            +3
            And here’s a brief summary: after 10 years, brave researchers go into the power unit that was mothballed after the accident (as a group of teenagers illegally penetrates). And there is a zombie .... a lot. And bite. All. laughing
          2. Agent_017
            Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 04
            +2
            Wait, right there a seven-footed eight-born will be born, then it’s possible to really shoot a horror movie ... wassat
        3. Agent_017
          Agent_017 7 February 2016 19: 56
          0
          You are a fantastic brother ...))) But it's cool ... request
        4. Truth
          Truth 7 February 2016 20: 07
          +1
          Quote: NIKNN
          And so, wagging their tails, they continued to walk through the concrete tunnel.

          Well, that's actually what you need to know ..
          And what for us, these overseas lands ...
          They have already called for their death, but ours doesn’t really want to visit us ...
        5. Mera joota
          Mera joota 8 February 2016 06: 25
          0
          Quote: NIKNN
          And so, wagging their tails, they continued to walk through the concrete tunnel.

          So this is an anecdote (with a huge beard) about Chernobyl. "Cleverly" you "invented" it ...
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 7 February 2016 14: 47
        28
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        It would be necessary to help, but they will not let

        Would you go yourself?
        Monument to the liquidators of the Chernobyl accident.
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      3. atalef
        atalef 7 February 2016 14: 50
        28
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        It would be necessary to help, but they will not let me go! ..!

        Quote: Bayonet
        Would you go yourself?

        Meehan then?
        Конечно.
        He had already gone to the Donbass. To Crimea and Syria.
        That's just the combat sofa will change and ... to the states laughing
        Hey . Sash !! 1
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 7 February 2016 16: 57
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          That's just the combat sofa will change and ... to the states
          Hey . Sash !! 1

          Hello! Our land has not become impoverished by the miraculous heroes! wassat
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      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 7 February 2016 16: 25
        +6
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        It would be necessary to help

        who needs?!!!
      6. Army1
        Army1 7 February 2016 17: 37
        10
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        It would be necessary to help, but they will not let me in! The bastards do not listen to us ..!

        You are either kind or naive, or both. But I’m angry, let them cope and they don’t need our help there, they’re not fools and they have their own school. Trust them to help, and then they will say that it was because of us that it exploded.
      7. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 February 2016 18: 47
        +6
        I am deeply concerned that a radioactive substance has recently leaked into the groundwater at Indian Point. This is not the first such release of radioactive water at Indian Point, and this is not the first time that Indian Point has undergone significant failures in its operation of technical equipment.

        The Amerites are ruining their land. Either the production of shale mineral fractures by hydraulic fracturing, or the leakage of radioactive effluents into aquifers ... request And the American puppeteers themselves drink purified water, and ordinary Americans drink all kinds of poison request Democracy! wassat
        1. aleksey980
          aleksey980 7 February 2016 19: 44
          +3
          Quote: GSH-18
          The Amerites are ruining their land. Either the production of shale mineral fractures by hydraulic fracturing, or the leakage of radioactive effluents into aquifers ... request And the American puppeteers themselves drink purified water, and ordinary Americans drink all kinds of poison request Democracy! wassat

          Do you think that we do not use fracking?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 7 February 2016 22: 23
            +1
            Quote: aleksey980
            Do you think that we do not use fracking?

            Used for scientific and laboratory purposes in the 60s yet. We do not need this method, since we have normal deposits, not shale-poor ones.
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 8 February 2016 10: 29
              +4
              Quote: GSH-18
              Used for scientific and laboratory purposes in the 60s yet. We do not need this method, since we have normal deposits, not shale-poor ones.

              I don’t even know what to call it ... recourse
              Brainwashed?
              Blind cheers patriotism?
              It seems like the "age of information technology" ... but typing "Hydraulic fracturing" in a search engine is not, not destiny ...
              But even Vicki broadcasts:Currently in company Rosneft more than 2 thousand hydraulic fracturing operations are performed per year, the vast majority of new wells are commissioned with hydraulic fracturing
              Okay, you can’t trust Vicki as a resource that’s not very serious, but you can go directly to Rosneft’s website and see something like the following:
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 8 February 2016 16: 28
                0
                Quote: Wheel
                I don’t even know what to call it ...
                Brainwashed?
                Blind cheers patriotism?

                Do not bother comrade shit throw on the fan! This is not patriotic! wink
        2. Agent_017
          Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 07
          +4
          They have a dead end branch of development, because they chose not conscience and morality, but MONEY !!! This moment of reality, when you don’t give a damn about life on Earth in 100 years, the main thing now is to grab, and then I won’t die by the time other people have problems ... CATTLE ...
      8. Pirogov
        Pirogov 7 February 2016 18: 59
        +3
        It would be necessary to help, but they will not let me in! The bastards do not listen to us ..! ................................... .....................................
        ........................... What Mikhalych was going to finish them off?
      9. Agent_017
        Agent_017 7 February 2016 19: 55
        0
        Help bury the dead? I am for! The other side of help will not be appreciated ... The Lord himself regulates the process ...
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 7 February 2016 14: 02
      +6
      Well, not a fact. The layman doesn’t care - an American reactor or Russian, the main thing is that it can flop. It is clear that among professionals, it matters, but in the current too politicized world - all this is nonsense
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 7 February 2016 14: 08
        +9
        At the same time, New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo said that “there is no threat to life and health for New Yorkers while no".

        The key word here is "bye". Does this mean that another accident may occur at this station?
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 7 February 2016 15: 23
          +3
          Quote: SRC P-15

          The key word here is "bye". Does this mean that another accident may occur at this station?

          it just means that heavy water is still far from the intakes of the city ...
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 7 February 2016 15: 30
            +7
            Quote: DanaF1
            that heavy water
            More precisely, infected, not heavy! These are two big differences!
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 7 February 2016 15: 33
              0
              Quote: Tol100v
              Quote: DanaF1
              that heavy water
              More precisely, infected, not heavy! These are two big differences!

              well yes, you're right ...
              but in context - it makes no difference ...
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 7 February 2016 17: 00
                +2
                Quote: DanaF1
                it just means that heavy water is still far from the intakes of the city ...

                Quote: Tol100v
                More precisely, infected, not heavy! These are two big differences!

                Quote: DanaF1
                well yes, you're right ...
                but in context - it makes no difference ...
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 7 February 2016 14: 06
      26
      At the same time, New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo said that "there is no threat to life and health for New Yorkers yet."

      He made a statement from the side of his plane, which was rapidly flying over the horizon, away from the accident. wassat
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 14: 25
      13
      Quote: seti
      This is the best advertisement of the Russian nuclear industry.

      Let the readers not strictly judge me, but the accidents at our nuclear power plants are strictly classified. And only when the evacuation of the population and the decontamination of the territory is already needed, only then does it get into the media. I do not see any advertising in this of our nuclear power plants.
      This is one of the oldest nuclear power plants in the USA (1956). What do you want from old reactors? In principle, it had long been demolished.
      At our construction site, for example, the Beloyarsk nuclear power plant of 1955, the first two power units with the reactors AMB-100 and AMB-200 were stopped due to the exhaustion of the resource. Fuel from the reactors was unloaded and is in long-term storage. In 2014, the dismantling of reactors began.
      Only no one writes how Yekaterinburg (then Sverdlovsk) was preparing the city of a millionaire for evacuation.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 7 February 2016 14: 28
        10
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Let the readers not strictly judge me, but the accidents at our nuclear power plants are strictly classified. And only when the evacuation of the population and the decontamination of the territory is already needed, only then does it get into the media

        no . Alexey, the same is reported about them
        Quote: Алексей_К
        This is one of the oldest nuclear power plants in the USA (1956). What do you want from old reactors? In principle, it had to be demolished a long time ago.

        The problem is transformers.
        Good . what they found from which year they are being exploited. tr-frames at least 60 years old. it's time to burn
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 7 February 2016 14: 36
          +4
          It's okay, just the level of radiation in groundwater was 65% ... No.

          The Governor of the State of New York, Andrew Cuomo, says there is currently no danger to the health of Americans. However, having received an alarming signal from the operator company about an increase in the radiation level by 65%, the authorities began to investigate the incident. Earlier, the governor has repeatedly stated that the Indian Point nuclear power plant is inadequate for safety and that the power plant poses a threat to Buchanan and New Yorkers. He also remembered the shutdown of the station’s nuclear reactor at the end of 000, which occurred due to problems in energy supply. The governor called the current situation an obvious failure in the operation of nuclear power plants. The Indian Point nuclear power plant built in the 2015s on Hudson provided electricity to the entire metropolis of New York, with a capacity of 70 thousand megawatts.,

          http://dni24.com/worldnews/66827-v-ssha-ryadom-s-nyu-yorkom-proizoshla-utechka-r
          adiacionnoy-vody-s-aes.html
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 15: 17
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          The problem is transformers.

          Transformers do not give radioactive contamination of the soil. The article says this.
        3. i80186
          i80186 7 February 2016 15: 28
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          The problem is transformers.
          Good . what they found from which year they are being exploited. tr-frames at least 60 years old. it's time to burn

          Transformers must be replaced in a timely manner. If a transformer accident occurs, then the service personnel or the manufacturer of this transformer is to blame. smile
          1. atalef
            atalef 7 February 2016 20: 15
            +3
            Quote: i80186
            Transformers must be replaced in a timely manner.

            In the United States, as a rule, they do not change until they burn out. Because every minute of the Transformer that has worked for over 35 years is a net profit.
            Quote: i80186
            If a transformer breakdown occurs, the service person is to blame

            Not always. We have a couple - three t-roves, under the age of 50 years. We keep one for replacement, as it burns, we change it.
            By the way, the transformer burns without smoke and fire (with properly built protections) - current surge and silence.
            Quote: i80186
            whether the manufacturer of this transformer

            Well yes, file a claim AEG
            for a 50 year old transformer. laughing
            1. vvv-73
              vvv-73 7 February 2016 21: 25
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: i80186
              Transformers must be replaced in a timely manner.

              In the United States, as a rule, they do not change until they burn out. Because every minute of the Transformer that has worked for over 35 years is a net profit.
              Quote: i80186
              If a transformer breakdown occurs, the service person is to blame

              Not always. We have a couple - three t-roves, under the age of 50 years. We keep one for replacement, as it burns, we change it.
              By the way, the transformer burns without smoke and fire (with properly built protections) - current surge and silence.
              Quote: i80186
              whether the manufacturer of this transformer

              Well yes, file a claim AEG
              for a 50 year old transformer. laughing

              Who said that? In our country, when the oil trance flared, a column of smoke was visible in the neighboring region. It was not even extinguished by the fires, until it all burned out.
              1. atalef
                atalef 7 February 2016 21: 45
                +2
                Quote: vvv-73
                Who said that? In our country, when the oil trance flared, a column of smoke was visible in the neighboring region. It was not even extinguished by the fires, until it all burned out.

                Niodin did not catch fire. I’ve seen enough burned ones.
                One puffed a little after the explosion of the bushing on the 24 kV side.
                In general, if the tank does not burst (and this depends on the passage time of the short-circuit current) - there is no reason for the fire.
                Therefore, rebuild the protection correctly.
                1. vvv-73
                  vvv-73 7 February 2016 21: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: vvv-73
                  Who said that? In our country, when the oil trance flared, a column of smoke was visible in the neighboring region. It was not even extinguished by the fires, until it all burned out.

                  Niodin did not catch fire. I’ve seen enough burned ones.
                  One puffed a little after the explosion of the bushing on the 24 kV side.
                  In general, if the tank does not burst (and this depends on the passage time of the short-circuit current) - there is no reason for the fire.
                  Therefore, rebuild the protection correctly.

                  This is if the protection disconnects immediately. And if the contacts are welded, then tryndets, until he knocks it out in his head, it will burn. When we switched off, we had a 6-volt 315 Kwt engine at the CHPP short-circuited - 2 phases on the machine were welded, so it burned with open fire.
        4. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 8 February 2016 10: 17
          0
          ..... The problem is transformers.
          Good . what they found from which year they are being exploited. tr-frames at least 60 years old. it's time to burn out ....

          .... Actually, oil transformers are almost an eternal thing .... 60 years is a bit, about the middle of the road .... In even such a rich country as the USA, in 2005 half of the transformers had been operating for 50 or more years ... .In general, experts give them with proper care a resource of about 100 years .... hi
      3. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 7 February 2016 15: 26
        +8
        Quote: Алексей_К

        Let the readers not strictly judge me, but the accidents at our nuclear power plants are strictly classified. And only when the evacuation of the population and the decontamination of the territory is already needed, only then does it get into the media. I do not see any advertising in this of our nuclear power plants.
        This is one of the oldest nuclear power plants in the USA (1956). What do you want from old reactors? In principle, it had long been demolished.
        At our construction site, for example, the Beloyarsk nuclear power plant of 1955, the first two power units with the reactors AMB-100 and AMB-200 were stopped due to the exhaustion of the resource. Fuel from the reactors was unloaded and is in long-term storage. In 2014, the dismantling of reactors began.
        Only no one writes how Yekaterinburg (then Sverdlovsk) was preparing the city of a millionaire for evacuation.

        in what year did Ekat prepare for evacuation and for what reason?

        there is nothing supernatural in shutting down reactors for producing resources ...
        here in Obninsk they stopped and no evacuation of Moscow was prepared ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 February 2016 19: 00
          +3
          Quote: DanaF1

          in what year did Ekat prepare for evacuation and for what reason?

          there is nothing supernatural in shutting down reactors for producing resources ...
          here in Obninsk they stopped and no evacuation of Moscow was prepared ...

          In 78, there must have been a fire there.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 7 February 2016 19: 10
            +3
            Quote: mordvin xnumx

            In 78, there must have been a fire there.

            when is it in the engine room?
            I once watched a movie on this topic ...
            They said that there was a panic in the city, but I don’t remember something about the evacuation ...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 February 2016 20: 05
              +3
              Quote: DanaF1

              when is it in the engine room?
              I once watched a movie on this topic ...
              They said that there was a panic in the city, but I don’t remember something about the evacuation ...

              The topic is muddy. Few people write about artificial rain in the 86 (so that radiation does not get to the capital).
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 8 February 2016 00: 27
                +1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx

                The topic is muddy. Few people write about artificial rain in the 86 (so that radiation does not get to the capital).

                a radiation plume from Chernobyl circled the earth 3 times ... what rain? not to mention the fact that radiation in Moscow did not fall in line with the wind rose ... infection cards are available and you can see them ...
                I remember, in the late 80s - early 90s there were "acid rains", but their etymology is unlikely to be associated with an accident in 86, more likely with an accident at some chemical plant ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 8 February 2016 09: 33
                  +2
                  An acid rain has passed, a nuclear power plant has fallen,
                  for some reason, someone with mines where you do not need to climb.
                  And the chosen ones tell us to be patient:
                  in four years there will be a garden city ...

                  Take the weather report for May of the 86th, and compare, say, from the 70th to the 90th year. You know the infection map. I think that you will learn a lot of interesting things, the American little spy. laughing love
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 8 February 2016 10: 42
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx


                    Take the weather report for May of the 86th, and compare, say, from the 70th to the 90th year. You know the infection map. I think that you will learn a lot of interesting things, American Spy. laughing love

                    here for the highlighted - special thanks ...

                    as for the weather report, yes we have some kind of weather anomaly every year ...

                    I'm not saying that artificial rain is a bad way to stop the air flow with alpha particles ... probably a good one.
                    And perhaps it was really used, but even before Moscow there were still large cities in bulk, the same Voronezh, Belgorod, and Peter ... after all, not a weak spot in the region of the current Ust-Luga ...
                    judging by the wind rose, these particles would still have slipped past Moscow ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 8 February 2016 19: 02
                      +2
                      Don't you understand the joke? As for the weather, the fact is that I live on the border of the infection zone, I remember very well how it rained with foam, and later I was especially interested in this issue. And the weather anomalies were much less than now.
      4. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 7 February 2016 17: 13
        +2
        At our, for example, Beloyarsk NPP built in 1955

        1955 - start of construction of the Beloyarsk NPP. By that time, in my opinion, only the Obninsk NPP was launched (1954). The first unit of the Beloyarsk NPP was launched in 1964.
      5. The black
        The black 7 February 2016 19: 06
        +4
        Let the readers not strictly judge me, but the accidents at our nuclear power plants are strictly classified. And only when the evacuation of the population and the decontamination of the territory is already needed, only then does it get into the media
        I doubt it. Such objects are actively monitored as civil organizations. so are the military. And a bunch of international agreements have been signed on this subject.
        So it’s simply impossible to conceal such cases.
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 February 2016 14: 55
      16
      Quote: seti
      This is the best advertisement of the Russian nuclear industry.

      Fools! bite your tongues! I live nearby from Beloyarskaya, there is nothing funny. You have no idea what to "joke" about, you don't know how many emergency operations there were, and will be everywhere and always, because electronics and mechanics are not 100% reliable, plus the human factor .. ...
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 7 February 2016 15: 31
        +5
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: seti
        This is the best advertisement of the Russian nuclear industry.

        Fools! bite your tongues! I live nearby from Beloyarskaya, there is nothing funny. You have no idea what to "joke" about, you don't know how many emergency operations there were, and will be everywhere and always, because electronics and mechanics are not 100% reliable, plus the human factor .. ...

        At Beloyarskaya closed-type reactors, there will be no emission into the atmosphere, like in Chernobyl ...
        and if fusion occurs, then in order to melt the foundation to groundwater for months, during this time the accident will already be eliminated ...
    6. Altona
      Altona 7 February 2016 16: 33
      +4
      Quote: seti
      This is the best advertisement of the Russian nuclear industry.

      -------------------
      The Americans, importing nuclear fuel from us under the weapons-grade plutonium program, themselves have lost part of the full cycle nuclear technologies. In particular, for the production of nuclear fuel. Like in space, where they have lost technology for the production of space engines and are using our "backward" engines and cargo ships.
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 7 February 2016 17: 15
      +5
      A good one from New York would be an exclusion zone. Where stalkers would be expanse.
    8. GSH-18
      GSH-18 7 February 2016 18: 43
      +3
      New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo said “there is no threat to life and health for New Yorkers not yet».

      And there, how it goes .. I’m not gloating at all, but such incidents (with a leak) are very serious, both immediately and in the long run (where God knows it will leak). request
    9. Civil
      Civil 7 February 2016 20: 37
      -1
      And there Negroes hang!
    10. Dam
      Dam 7 February 2016 21: 39
      0
      Matches for children are not a toy.
    11. Starik72
      Starik72 7 February 2016 22: 17
      +1
      Matvey Livanov. This is not an advertisement for the Russian nuclear industry, but just another SHILOM injection in the ass EXCLUSIVE !!!
  2. venaya
    venaya 7 February 2016 13: 55
    +6
    We started reporting accidents. I must say that they didn’t allow themselves this before, so to speak, glasnost starts to break their way.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 7 February 2016 13: 59
      10
      Quote: venaya
      publicity and they are making their way.

      I think that this is not about publicity! And so that the congress becomes aggravated and out of fear begins to allocate hysterically loot for repairs, upgrades, construction of new ones!
      And cunning guys with saws attacked!
    2. sichevik
      sichevik 7 February 2016 14: 04
      +6
      Quote: venaya
      We started reporting accidents. I must say that they didn’t allow themselves this before, so to speak, glasnost starts to break their way.

      Glasnost, then democratization with perestroika ... it can all end very badly for them.
      1. Genry
        Genry 7 February 2016 15: 32
        +5
        Yeah ... Correlation with the history of the USSR.
        We will tie this event to the Chernobyl accident and wait 4-5 years.
    3. atalef
      atalef 7 February 2016 14: 17
      14
      [
      Quote: venaya
      We started reporting accidents. I must say that they didn’t allow themselves this before, so to speak, glasnost starts to break their way.


      Well, everything is always reported about faults
      , farther
      This is the third incident at Indian Point in the last few years. In 2010, an explosion occurred at one of the NPP transformers, which caused a serious threat to the operation of a nuclear reactor. As a matter of urgency, the reactor had to be stopped until the causes of the explosion of the transformer were established and its operation restored. Last year, a transformer at an American power plant caught fire, resulting in an oil spill

      The first 2 incidents in general cannot be considered accidents resulting in the emission of radiation.
      Quite common problems power lines. and a little knowledge of the American approach to energy. I am 100% sure that the t-ries have not changed.
      I have not found from what year they function, but no less than since 1974. therefore, by 2010, the tanks worked for at least 46 years - this is generally more than an advanced age. therefore, an accident with the release of oil or fire, if not a common occurrence. then certainly not surprising.
      Further, nothing is said about the accident itself. It is the release of superheated steam from the first radioactive circuit. the same could be the cause, sort of like radiation. but in no way says the reactor is in danger.
      Here by the way I found
      Representative of the management company Entergy Corp. Jerry Nappi confirmed to CBS TV that a transformer had caught fire at the station, but it was extinguished by a fire system. Firefighters arrived as an additional reserve. He said that there are four levels of security at the station - and what happened passes through the lowest of them, as an "unusual incident." Nappi added that the fire occurred in a "non-nuclear" zone and there was no need for evacuation.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/atomtec/20150510/1063652287.html#ixzz3zToHnWOh

      Well, in general, everything fell into place. the ignition of the outlet pipe of the station leads to an emergency discharge of steam from the second circuit, the killing of the reactor and its cooling.
      There was no radiation output.
      It's okay.
      In addition, of course, material losses and ringing in the ears of the staff, from howls and steam discharge through the emergency valves.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 7 February 2016 15: 51
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        I have not found from what year they function, but no less than with 1974. therefore, vehicles to 2010 have worked for at least 46 years - this is generally more than an advanced age

        At my fire extinguishing station tr-r 1970g. release works, and nothing wink
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 20: 17
          +1
          Quote: Horst78
          Quote: atalef
          I have not found from what year they function, but no less than with 1974. therefore, vehicles to 2010 have worked for at least 46 years - this is generally more than an advanced age

          At my fire extinguishing station tr-r 1970g. release works, and nothing wink

          We are talking about three-wheelers of at least 625 MVA capacity. From it you can power a couple of thousand of your stations (or even more)
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 7 February 2016 23: 24
            0
            Quote: atalef
            We are talking about three-ths at least 625MVA power.

            Well, we had here in the fall of tr-tr at the Izluchensky GRES covered, So from Strezhevoy to Vasyugan there was no light. The only thing that strained the temperature drop in the heating batteries. A tr-tr at the fire extinguishing station lowering 220В / 24В (for relays and lamps). But nonetheless. Previously, they did perfectly. The drill itself was used by 1956. release wassat
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    5. niki233
      niki233 7 February 2016 14: 37
      +8
      still give them a hunchback
  3. Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 7 February 2016 13: 58
    11
    and tryndy on our reactors ... teach grandmother cabbage soup!
  4. Artem shlykov
    Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 13: 58
    +5
    And they say that in Russia there is a mess ... The order is where the nuclear power plants operate and do not participate in news reports.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 14: 42
      0
      Quote: Artem Shlykov
      And they say that in Russia there is a mess ... The order is where the nuclear power plants operate and do not participate in news reports.

      You were joking like this, probably in the news about accidents at nuclear power plants? It will be a panic, flight of the population because of each case, a stop of production. Our accidents are hushed up, except for those when mass evacuation of the population and decontamination of the territory is necessary.
      The newspaper did not write about the terrible catastrophe at the Beloyarsk NPP in 1978, but the city leadership and enterprises prepared the evacuation of the population of the city of Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg), a millionaire city. Ordinary people were not told about this. I knew from my position at a defense plant.
      1. atalef
        atalef 7 February 2016 14: 46
        +9
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Our accidents are hushed up, except for those when mass evacuation of the population and decontamination of the territory is necessary. No newspapers wrote about the terrible disaster at the Beloyarsk NPP in 1978, but

        Alexei, they didn’t write about Chernobyl either about Techa and Kizhma. Now times have changed, the Internet, dosimeters, except that dogs do not drag.
        Therefore, in general, they say it is easier.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 16: 07
          -3
          Quote: atalef
          Alexei, they didn’t write about Chernobyl either about Techa and Kizhma. Now times have changed, the Internet, dosimeters, except that dogs do not drag.
          Therefore, in general, they say it is easier.

          No, they do not report in Russia. Only if the media is dug up somewhere illegally. This is Russia's domestic policy - not to create panic in the population.
          And secondly, you can interview residents at least all day in Yekaterinburg - only those associated with radioactivity wear dosimeters. The rest do not need it, especially now, when the literacy of the population in these matters is falling. There, on the site, some people still want to be the first to bomb the United States, NATO, Turkey, Ukraine, and other countries with nuclear missiles. I personally see Russia's nuclear weapons as nuclear retaliation against aggressors, which Russia still cannot oppose to a comparable army - these are NATO, the US and China.
          1. Agent_017
            Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 12
            +1
            And will you know why you will die if something happens within the radius of your residence? Many simply do not have money for transfers, and I would rather grunt on the spot ... I was born and raised on the spot, some life lived, my memory matured ... Where to go and why to start all over again ...?
          2. Dikson
            Dikson 7 February 2016 21: 13
            +2
            Alexey, well, you are still too categorical .. It is clear that no one notifies the population because of the "goat" .. But I remember well 86, the "Time" program and the flyby of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant shown on the air .. Panic is created without public alerts .. Remember the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station ... people began to fight at gas stations for gasoline, for which cunning guys immediately raised prices .. And then, people in cities near nuclear power plants and other facilities of Rosatom and the Russian Ministry of Defense SHOULD NOT carry dosimeters with you. This is the job of nuclear scientists ..
      2. Artem shlykov
        Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 18: 47
        +1
        Therefore, I say that it is order, not insane publicity and openness.
  5. tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 7 February 2016 14: 02
    +4
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    It would be necessary to help, but they will not let

    Help ??
    At whose expense7
  6. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 7 February 2016 14: 07
    13
    The governor had to declare that radiation is good for health, and in general it is American radiation and it differs from any other in that it guards the interests of the USA ...
    1. Agent_017
      Agent_017 7 February 2016 20: 16
      +2
      The governor may not have said, but the people took a chance ... They began to run and breathe more actively, drink water and enjoy life .. After all, soon strawberries will grow the size of a bucket, chickens will become the size of a dog, watermelons can only be transported by trolley because they are in car trunk does not fit. Vobschem flooded, so flooded ...
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 7 February 2016 20: 16
      +1
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      this is american radiation
      "this is part of the American way of life" (= who does not shine - that lox) smile
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  7. Artem shlykov
    Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 14: 09
    +8
    Maybe we do not know how to make consumer goods, but fundamental things, such as nuclear energy and space from the military industry, were, are and always will be the best in the world.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 7 February 2016 14: 26
      -2
      Quote: Artem Shlykov
      Maybe we do not know how to make consumer goods, but fundamental things, such as nuclear energy and space from the military industry, were, are and always will be the best in the world.

      Well, Chernobyl was in the United States, spaceships never crashed, and of course the states in the military industry cannot catch up with Russia.
      A nuclear power plant is a very complex technique and everyone always has accidents.
      Turning off the output pipes is quite common.
      as an example
      12 out of 15 municipalities in the Rostov region have already been connected via backup lines, electricity has been fully supplied through reserve lines to several municipalities of the Krasnodar Territory and Adygea that have found themselves without electricity, "the agency's source said.


      According to the head of the information and public relations department of the Rostov NPP Vadim Koynov, the power units were disconnected due to the protection being triggered during work at one of the power substations.


      "During the work on the Yuzhnaya line, the protection was triggered. Both power units of the NPP are turned off, the radiation background is normal," said a representative of the NPP.


      Rosatom stated that the shutdown of the nuclear power plant is not related to the equipment of the power units. “The units were turned off for a reason outside the power units, when the overhead power line of Rostov NPP - Yuzhnaya was taken out for repair.

      Only in general does a person connected with energy understand that an emergency shutdown of 2 units at the same time cannot be connected with ordinary work on the line.
      An accident with a support or a short circuit on the busbar assemblies of the output substation with the disconnection of the second overload unit occurred.
      1. swag
        swag 7 February 2016 15: 17
        +5
        Shnipersony appeared.
        1. valera
          valera 7 February 2016 20: 52
          0
          Quote: swag
          Shnipersony appeared.

          Duck, and where without them. This is when you need to work them during the day with fire you will not find, but how to chat, they fly like flies to r ... but, that is, to jam.
      2. Artem shlykov
        Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 18: 32
        +4
        Dear, the United States flies into space on Russian engines, their PRI military industry is in fact not so advanced. There was Chernobyl, but since then the technology has gone ahead and built a different type of nuclear power plant. Everyone always has malfunctions, for people work. And all is well and regular with loafers and balabol.
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 20: 19
          +1
          Quote: Artem Shlykov
          Dear, the United States flies into space on Russian engines, their PRI military industry is in fact not so advanced. There was Chernobyl, but since then the technology has gone ahead and built a different type of nuclear power plant.

          Quote: Artem Shlykov
          And all is well and regular with loafers and balabol

          Wonderful self-criticism.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 February 2016 14: 53
      -4
      Quote: Artem Shlykov
      Maybe we do not know how to make consumer goods, but fundamental things, such as nuclear energy and space from the military industry, were, are and always will be the best in the world.

      Well, who argues ...
      1. Artem shlykov
        Artem shlykov 7 February 2016 18: 45
        +6
        So what? Nothing happens only to those who do nothing. And to present one fatal event from time to time is stupid. With the same success, you can abandon all equipment ever seen in accidents. And yes, then, in Chernobyl, the human factor played its main role.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 8 February 2016 11: 46
          0
          Quote: Artem Shlykov
          So what? Nothing happens only to those who do nothing. And to present one fatal event from time to time is stupid.

          Are you relative to the American nuclear power plant or ours? If about both, then I agree. hi
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 February 2016 20: 50
      -1
      Quote: Artem Shlykov but fundamental things, such as nuclear power and space from the military industry, were, are and will always remain the best in the world. [/ Quote

      You certainly will not die of modesty! smile
      Quote: Artem Shlykov
      were, is and always will be the best in the world.

      Here I immediately remember - "the mind, honor and conscience of our era!" smile
  8. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 February 2016 14: 10
    +2
    "..This is not the first such release of radioactive water at Indian Point ..."
    Slowly accustom the local exclusive population to larger doses.
  9. izya top
    izya top 7 February 2016 14: 11
    10
    high accident rate and non-compliance with safety requirements
    what
  10. engineer74
    engineer74 7 February 2016 14: 12
    +4
    "No threat to life and health for New Yorkers while no".

    The key word is "bye"? Honest Governor, respect!
  11. Petersburger
    Petersburger 7 February 2016 14: 15
    -1
    Рђ РіРґРµ С † РёС „СЂС‹? R'RµR · RЅRёS ... это РІСЃРµ Р ± Р »Р ° Р ± Р» Р ° Р ± Р »Р °!
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 February 2016 14: 16
    +7
    This is a democratic radiation, and it is good for the health of the population of hegemony. laughing and radiation from Russian reactors, like reactors from an aggressor country, is extremely harmful, even if there are no leaks. Nothing personal, just business.
  13. Afotin
    Afotin 7 February 2016 14: 17
    +1
    Campaign sawed all the money for maintenance work.
    In general, it is surprising how, with this approach, the second Chernobyl has not yet happened.
    1. Wolverine
      Wolverine 7 February 2016 14: 49
      +2
      Yes, there are commonplace low-quality fuel cells. As soon as the United States began supplying fuel for nuclear power plants to Dnepropetrovsk, emergency operations immediately began.
    2. 0255
      0255 7 February 2016 15: 25
      -6
      Quote: Afotin
      Campaign sawed all the money for maintenance work.
      In general, it is surprising how, with this approach, the second Chernobyl has not yet happened.

      The Mayak chemical plant, the Leningrad and Chernobyl nuclear power plants were also cut?
  14. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 7 February 2016 14: 24
    +7
    If we analyze the accidents at nuclear power plants (the last but one - Fukushima), a very interesting conclusion suggests itself: in most accidents a hydrogen explosion occurred, very often with a solid demolition of the roof, mainly when the cooling circuit failed when the rods went into the spacing and the water surrounding them, intended for cooling rods decomposed into its constituent gases.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 7 February 2016 14: 41
      -5
      Quote: Pilot Bin Bom
      If we analyze the accidents at nuclear power plants (the last but one - Fukushima), a very interesting conclusion suggests itself: in most accidents a hydrogen explosion occurred, very often with a solid demolition of the roof, mainly when the cooling circuit failed when the rods went into the spacing and the water surrounding them, intended for cooling rods decomposed into its constituent gases.

      Not necessarily for this reason, the generator is cooled by hydrogen.
      And leaks from the cooling circuit are quite a common incident.
      1. andj61
        andj61 7 February 2016 14: 55
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Not necessarily for this reason, the generator is cooled by hydrogen.
        And leaks from the cooling circuit are quite a common incident.

        And to hell with hydrogen? what Nitrogen is much safer, and cheaper!
        But actually - seriously, hydrogen is formed precisely because of the overheating of water, and even a spark for the explosion will always be found, especially at such temperatures. So the bin-bom pilot is right ...
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        2. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 15: 03
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          And to hell with hydrogen?

          Much greater thermal conductivity is cooled by gaseous rather than liquid.

          Quote: andj61
          But actually - seriously - hydrogen is formed precisely due to overheating of water

          This is if the reactor went into spacing and the cooling system turned off
          Quote: andj61
          and there’s always a spark for an explosion, especially at such temperatures. So the bin-bom pilot is right ...

          at Fokushima, the decomposition of water occurred due to overheating and destruction of fuel rods and reaching a temperature of the order of 700 degrees.
          1. andj61
            andj61 7 February 2016 15: 09
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: andj61
            And to hell with hydrogen?
            Much greater thermal conductivity is cooled by gaseous rather than liquid.

            But nitrogen has a higher heat capacity, it is safer, and cheaper. And for cooling, if it’s not gas liquid, it’s better to have a well-cooled one - though with cryotechnics its problems and the cost of materials.
            With the rest - everything is so, I completely agree. Moreover, the reactor does not have to go into the distance at all. There are enough malfunctions in the cooling system. And from this - if viewed deeply and corrosively - almost all accidents at nuclear power plants begin.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 7 February 2016 15: 17
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              But nitrogen has a higher heat capacity, it is safer, and cheaper. And for cooling, if it’s already not to use liquid gas, then a well-cooled one will be more beneficial - though with cryotechnics its problems and the cost of materials

              Andrey, I’m not a heat engineer and therefore I won’t give you clear calculations.
              But take it as a fact, the cooling of the generator windings is carried out with ordinary hydrogen. ordinary temperature (and it sometimes happens under 50 Celsius)
              Cylinders are yellow, usually located in a separate partition next to the generator.


              Quote: andj61
              Moreover, the reactor does not have to go into the distribution at all. There are enough malfunctions in the cooling system. And from this - if viewed deeply and corrosively - almost all accidents at nuclear power plants begin.

              Well, yes, and what in general in a pressure cooker such as a reactor deteriorate?
              Graphite moderators and fuel cells.
              During overheating, they deform with the release of uranium tablets and their collection in a special tray. with further heating, uranium can be smelted from tablets, collected at the bottom of the bath (due to its higher density) and, when a certain amount is reached, a nuclear explosion.
              Although of course the ingress of water on hot fuel rods will lead to the formation of a huge amount of steam. the explosion, destruction of the reactor and the ejection of all this reactor crap - as was the case in Chernobyl.
              1. i80186
                i80186 7 February 2016 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                and upon retrieving a certain amount - a nuclear explosion

                Well, why not thermonuclear, is there a lot of hydrogen? laughing
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 16: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: i80186
                  Quote: atalef
                  and upon retrieving a certain amount - a nuclear explosion

                  Well, why not thermonuclear, is there a lot of hydrogen? laughing

                  Hydrogen is not involved in creating a thermonuclear reaction. Read at least a school chemistry textbook.
                  1. i80186
                    i80186 7 February 2016 18: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    Quote: i80186
                    Quote: atalef
                    and upon retrieving a certain amount - a nuclear explosion

                    Well, why not thermonuclear, is there a lot of hydrogen? laughing

                    Hydrogen is not involved in creating a thermonuclear reaction. Read at least a school chemistry textbook.

                    Of course, and the sun shines in such a way, there is no thermonuclear reaction of the synthesis of helium from hydrogen there. There is purely deuterium and tritium, which, incidentally, is also hydrogen. Well, of course, uranium with an enrichment of 2%, if put in a heap and melted, will certainly explode. School, yes. laughing
                  2. region58
                    region58 7 February 2016 19: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    chemistry school textbook.

                    Then a physics textbook.
              2. spech
                spech 7 February 2016 18: 34
                +3
                During overheating, they deform with the release of uranium tablets and their collection in a special tray. with further heating, uranium can be smelted from tablets, collected at the bottom of the bath (due to its higher density) and, when a certain amount is reached, a nuclear explosion.
                Although of course the ingress of water on hot fuel rods will lead to the formation of a huge amount of steam. the explosion, destruction of the reactor and the ejection of all this reactor crap - as was the case in Chernobyl.

                Why write nonsense?
                the request "steam-zirconium reaction" everything is written there.
              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 7 February 2016 18: 48
                +3
                Greetings, namesake! He endured for a long time, but I can no longer: rolls over!
                Quote: atalef
                with further heating, uranium can be smelted from tablets, collected at the bottom of the bath (due to its higher density) and, when a certain amount is reached, a nuclear explosion.

                Melting point U235 / 238 = 1132 * C. Fuel rods in the assembly, for uniform burnout of nuclear fuel, a moderator is used that absorbs neutrons, and a lowered graphite grate ... all this is taken by the BN. Penetration of the core is possible, but the mass of structures will still take away the BN. Therefore, Academician Aleksandrov, being on the "K-3", personally made a note about the impossibility of an emergency nuclear explosive reactor.
                Quote: atalef
                Although of course the ingress of water on hot fuel rods will lead to the formation of a huge amount of steam. the explosion, destruction of the reactor and the ejection of all this reactor crap - as was the case in Chernobyl.

                Water-water YAR. The first circuit, the working area of ​​the assembly is terribly "overheated" water. For VVER-1000, these are: pressure 5,0-5,5 MPa, and temperature 393 * K. So, the heat is removed with a heat carrier - water, bidistilate. But the second circuit is superheated steam (working fluid).
                There was a thermal explosion in Chernobyl when the 25 tonne cap flew out through the roof like a cork from a bottle.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 7 February 2016 20: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Penetration of the core is possible, but the mass of structures will still take away the BN. Therefore, Academician Aleksandrov, being on the "K-3", personally made a note about the impossibility of an emergency nuclear explosive reactor.

                  We are not talking about submarine reactors
                  Industrial reactors are an order of magnitude larger.
                  A significant part of the materials of the molten core remains in the primary circuit as a result of aerosol condensation and deposition on relatively cold surfaces of pipelines and GHGs, chemical reactions with the surface of the circuit (chemical absorption). So, in the emergency reactor at Three Mile Island NPP, 10 tons of core materials were localized in the GHG area.

                  The radioactive products released during melting are transported by gas streams of steam and hydrogen, the intensity of which increases when fragments of the core enter the water remaining on the bottom of the reactor. Then, most of the core and supporting structures collapse downward, draining the reactor vessel. Before the destruction of the bottom of the reactor vessel, the removal occurs due to thermal expansion of the gas. After the destruction of the casing due to residual heat in fission products deposited on the surfaces of the primary circuit, it is possible to re-evaporate some of them, transfer along the circuit or carry it out at low speed outside it. The timing of the sequence of events for one of the severe accident scenarios at the PWR is given below.

                  The gas composition affects the chemical form of radioactive materials and determines the dynamics of the gas stream itself. Initially, this is pure steam. When the oxidation of steel and zirconium begins, the hydrogen content in the steam increases, for a short period before the zone collapses, it can be almost pure hydrogen; then the proportion of steam in the gas stream again increases.

                  Accounting for hydrogen is important in aerosol calculations, since it significantly reduces the density and viscosity of the gas stream, and changes its transport properties.
                  The pressure in the primary circuit during the accident also affects the transport of fission products: at a higher P, the formation of large mass flows is possible.
                  The temperature of the gas flows in the primary circuit controls the condensation process of the most volatile fission products on the surrounding particles. The temperature changes along the contour very significantly and at different stages of melting has a value from 700 to 2500 ° C


                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  There was a thermal explosion in Chernobyl when the 25 tonne cap flew out through the roof like a cork from a bottle.

                  With a thermal explosion, what is formed?
                  Why is it called thermal?
                  It’s just that when such an amount of heat is instantaneously released, the primary water in the reactor, when a large amount of melt enters in a short time, instantly evaporates and leads to a thermal explosion
                  http://b-energy.ru/biblioteka/bezopasnost-aes-ekologiya/345-avarii-reaktora-s-ra
                  zrusheniem-aktivnoi-zony.html
                  here is generally quite detailed.
            3. region58
              region58 7 February 2016 20: 10
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              But nitrogen has a higher heat capacity, it is safer, and cheaper

              Like this:

              Specific heat of gases and vapors
              ___________ kJ / (kg · K) __ cal / (g · 0С)
              Nitrogen ____________ 1,0 ________ 0,25
              Hydrogen _________ 14,2 _______ 3,41

              Hydrogen cooling is more effective than air cooling, since hydrogen as a cooling gas in comparison with air has a number of significant advantages. It has a 1,51 times higher heat transfer coefficient, 7 times higher thermal conductivity. The latter circumstance predetermines low thermal resistance of hydrogen interlayers in insulation and groove gaps.
              Significantly lower hydrogen density compared to air allows to reduce ventilation losses by 8 -10 times, as a result of which the generator efficiency increases by 0,8 -1%.
              The absence of oxidation of insulation in a hydrogen medium compared with air increases the reliability of the generator and increases the service life of the insulation of the windings. The advantages of hydrogen include the fact that it does not support combustion, therefore, in a genetopax with hydrogen cooling, a fire extinguishing device can be abandoned.
          2. i80186
            i80186 7 February 2016 15: 16
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            at Fokushima, the decomposition of water occurred due to overheating and destruction of fuel rods and reaching a temperature of the order of 700 degrees.

            Yes, water does not decompose. smile
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 16: 24
              +4
              Quote: i80186
              Quote: atalef
              at Fokushima, the decomposition of water occurred due to overheating and destruction of fuel rods and reaching a temperature of the order of 700 degrees.

              Yes, water does not decompose. smile

              You're wrong. Water with the help of electricity is readily decomposed into hydrogen and oxygen. And again, this is a school chemistry textbook.
              In addition, at high temperatures, water also decomposes into hydrogen and oxygen. And again, this is a chemistry textbook.
              What school did you study in, since you don’t know simple things?
              1. i80186
                i80186 7 February 2016 18: 03
                +2
                Quote: Алексей_К
                You're wrong. Water with the help of electricity is readily decomposed into hydrogen and oxygen. And again, this is a school chemistry textbook.
                In addition, at high temperatures, water also decomposes into hydrogen and oxygen. And again, this is a chemistry textbook.
                What school did you study in, since you don’t know simple things?

                Yeah, exactly, at 3000K. Well, that is, when all that is in the reactor turns into a liquid, including concrete, and the steel boils cheerfully, then the water will begin to decompose. At school did you study in rural areas? smile
                1. region58
                  region58 7 February 2016 20: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: i80186
                  At school did you study in rural areas?

                  I fundamentally disagree. Just because the students in the classes are often much less than the norm, the demand from each student can be very high. Of course, it depends a lot on the teachers, who are very different ...
              2. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 7 February 2016 19: 01
                +3
                Quote: Алексей_К
                Water with the help of electricity is readily decomposed into hydrogen and oxygen.

                Colleague, we are not talking about electrolysis ...
                Quote: Алексей_К
                at high temperatures, water also decomposes into hydrogen and oxygen.
                This is what we are talking about. But this process, called the thermal dialysis of water, occurs in the presence of catalysts (Silver, palladium) at T * = 1476 * C. (Do you happen to have a blast furnace over there?). And in a confined space without a catalyst -5000 * С. Which is also not real.
              3. Amnestied
                Amnestied 8 February 2016 09: 36
                0
                Quote: Алексей_К
                What school did you study in, since you don’t know simple things?

                These are accelerated internet troll courses at the Israeli Ministry of Absorption. laughing
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 7 February 2016 16: 31
              +1
              Quote: i80186
              Yes, water does not decompose.
              1. i80186
                i80186 7 February 2016 17: 52
                +2
                Zr + 2H2O = ZrO2 + 2H2 + Q,
                And electric catalysis has nothing to do with it. smile
        3. i80186
          i80186 7 February 2016 15: 13
          +4
          Quote: andj61
          But actually - seriously - hydrogen is formed precisely due to overheating of water

          Well, not at all because of this. In general, this is called a steam-zirconium reaction. The reaction of steam with zirconium occurs, from which the fuel elements are made. But the essence is noticed correctly, if the fuel elements for some reason are heated above 860 degrees and the cooler / moderator is water, then this reaction begins, and it is self-sustaining. Those. if it started, then hydrogen will fall in a mighty stream until zirconium or steam runs out. And that is exactly what happened in Fukushima. By the way, the Fukishima nuclear power plant project is American.
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 16: 27
            +4
            Quote: i80186
            Well, not at all because of this. In general, this is called a steam-zirconium reaction. The reaction of steam with zirconium occurs, from which the fuel elements are made.

            You buy a gas analyzer and at home heat the metal over the gas or in the stove and then pour water. To your surprise, you will find hydrogen without zirconium.
            1. i80186
              i80186 7 February 2016 17: 57
              +1
              Quote: Алексей_К
              You buy a gas analyzer and at home heat the metal over the gas or in the stove and then pour water. To your surprise, you will find hydrogen without zirconium.

              Yes, you just take a gas analyzer. Put water in the atmosphere, say nitrogen, and put it all under the sun, and you will find hydrogen. A steam-zirconium reaction is a little different. To make it clearer, it is more like burning zirconium in an atmosphere of water vapor. smile
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 7 February 2016 19: 04
              +3
              Quote: Алексей_К
              To your surprise, you will find hydrogen without zirconium.
              And no wonder! After all, it will be hydrogen in this room!
      2. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 7 February 2016 15: 11
        +5
        Welcome.
        Quote: atalef
        And leaks from the cooling circuit are quite a common incident


        Quote: atalef
        Turning off the output pipes is quite common.


        Quote: atalef
        Well, in general, everything fell into place. the ignition of the outlet pipe of the station leads to an emergency discharge of steam from the second circuit, the killing of the reactor and its cooling.
        There was no radiation output.
        It's okay.

        Somehow I let go, well, thank God.
        Atalef would you like the head of the press service of Westinghouse or at worst Rosatom. bully
      3. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 7 February 2016 15: 11
        0
        Welcome.
        Quote: atalef
        And leaks from the cooling circuit are quite a common incident


        Quote: atalef
        Turning off the output pipes is quite common.


        Quote: atalef
        Well, in general, everything fell into place. the ignition of the outlet pipe of the station leads to an emergency discharge of steam from the second circuit, the killing of the reactor and its cooling.
        There was no radiation output.
        It's okay.

        As soon as it was released, well, thank God.
        Atalef would you like the head of the press service of Westinghouse or at worst Rosatom. bully
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 7 February 2016 15: 18
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Not necessarily for this reason, the generator is cooled by hydrogen. And leaks from the cooling circuit are quite a common incident.

        One explosive structure is cooled by an element that itself can be the source of an accident. Something you piled up a bit here.
        The pressure in the containment was managed to be relieved, however, a large amount of hydrogen penetrated into the reactor compartment due to the exposure of the fuel and the oxidation of the zirconium shell of the fuel elements (fuel elements) with steam (steam-zirconium reaction)

        The appearance of hydrogen has nothing to do with hydrogen cooling
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        2. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 15: 25
          -2
          Quote: APASUS
          One explosive structure is cooled by an element that itself can be a source of an accident.

          Turbogenerators are air, hydrogen, hydrogen-liquid or purely liquid cooled. Hydrogenerators have air or air-liquid cooling.
          By the method of heat removal from copper, the windings of the cooling system are divided into indirect (surface) and direct. In indirect cooling (it is used only for gases), the cooling gas does not come into contact with the conductor of the windings, and the heat released in them is transferred to the gas through insulation, which thus turns out to be thermally overloaded and significantly impairs heat transfer.
          With direct cooling, hydrogen, water or oil (for air, the direct system is used only in hydrogenerators) circulate through the internal conduits and in contact with the heated copper directly, heat is removed from it at maximum heat transfer efficiency, since there are no barriers between the heat source and the cooling medium . A great advantage of such a system is also the low thermal load of the insulation.

          Quote: APASUS
          The appearance of hydrogen has nothing to do with hydrogen cooling

          Read carefully my post.
          A generator and a reactor are two different things.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 7 February 2016 20: 26
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Turbogenerators are air, hydrogen, hydrogen-liquid or purely liquid cooled. Hydrogenerators have air or air-liquid cooling.

            Gorgeous, but what does this have to do with Fukushima? As I understand it, you discussed the statement
            Quote: Pilot bin-bom
            If we analyze the accidents at nuclear power plants (the last but one - Fukushima), a very interesting conclusion suggests itself: in most accidents a hydrogen explosion occurred, very often with a solid demolition of the roof, mainly when the cooling circuit failed when the rods went into the spacing and the water surrounding them, intended for cooling rods decomposed into its constituent gases.

            And the formation of hydrogen in this case was not associated with the cooling of the generator
            1. pilot bin-bom
              pilot bin-bom 7 February 2016 22: 21
              0
              About zirconium, water and hydrogen.
              Zirconium is a very high-melting metal, so when the zirconium rod goes into spacing, a gas-vapor jacket around it will quickly form.
              Once I set an experiment. There is such a method - SHS - self-propagating high-temperature synthesis (well, such as the rapid occurrence of a termite reaction). depending on the initial components, it is possible to obtain a metal matrix filled with carbides, nitrides, etc., at the output. The speed of the SHS can be adjusted, but I confused something and the tray with the mixture from the oven got out ahead of time. And then she blazed with me. From a fool I tried to extinguish it with water and saw how the water burns. Such a beautiful blue flame - that is, water decomposed from high temperature and then the gases entered into a combustion reaction. Who does not believe - you can repeat - take care of your face - it blazed so that I almost left without eyebrows.
  15. YohanPalych
    YohanPalych 7 February 2016 14: 26
    +3
    "There is no threat to life and health for New Yorkers yet." (((

    Keyword: ... so far ..
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 7 February 2016 14: 27
    +2
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  17. Alfizik
    Alfizik 7 February 2016 14: 27
    +1
    Well, here is another client country for Rosatom.
  18. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 7 February 2016 14: 34
    +1
    Cheto station looks like a numbed provincial gas station. And the safety standards, you see, are the same.
    1. spech
      spech 7 February 2016 18: 37
      +1
      Cheto station looks like a numbed provincial gas station. And the safety standards, you see, are the same.

      Years make themselves felt hi
  19. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 February 2016 14: 37
    +2
    In parallel with America’s hysterical mood on the international scene, more and more facts of its collapse within the country itself emerge. She has had chronic underfunding for more than a dozen years in almost all areas, the worst is in the atomic field. Gradually, she begins to plunge into the abyss of chaos.
    1. atalef
      atalef 7 February 2016 14: 39
      -1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      In parallel with America’s hysterical mood on the international scene, more and more facts of its collapse within the country itself emerge. She has had chronic underfunding for more than a dozen years in almost all areas, the worst is in the nuclear field. Gradually, she begins to plunge into the abyss of chaos

      So, do you think our generation will see the collapse of America? (I am 47 years old) - so what would I know if I survive or not?
      1. andj61
        andj61 7 February 2016 14: 45
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        So, do you think our generation will see the collapse of America? (I am 47 years old) - so what would I know if I survive or not?

        You’ll survive, Alexander, you will definitely live! hi wink After all, it’s not without reason that the unforgettable Nikita Sergeyevich once said at the XXII Congress of the CPSU: “The present generation of Soviet people will live under communism!” I am the same age as this phrase, but I also hope to survive. fellow And America will definitely end in this case - from immeasurable surprise! bully
        Got out of the coffin Ghost
        Capitalism!
        But the high cost
        You won’t surprise us.
        Sooner or later
        To this watchdog
        We will show the formidable
        Popular Shish!
        So this ghost
        Capitalism
        Writes letters early
        Early reptile rejoices!
        And the West overtook
        We would still be in the beginning
        If you weren’t afraid
        Show off your bare ass!
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          You’ll survive, Alexander, you will definitely live! After all, it’s not without reason that the unforgettable Nikita Sergeyevich once said at the XXII Congress of the CPSU: “The present generation of Soviet people will live under communism!” I am the same age as this phrase, but I also hope to survive.

          that is, we will see at the same time - the collapse of America and the victory of communism.
          Heal !!!
          Hi Andrew !
          1. andj61
            andj61 7 February 2016 15: 02
            0
            Quote: atalef
            that is, we will see at the same time - the collapse of America and the victory of communism.
            Heal !!!

            And in another way it will not work! request Only at the same time! fellow
            I am afraid, however, that on this occasion I will have to remember Nekrasov: "It's a pity - only I and you won't have to live in that wonderful time ..." crying
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            2. atalef
              atalef 7 February 2016 15: 05
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              It’s a pity that only me and you will not have to live in that beautiful time.

              and a pity - from each according to his ability - to each according to his needs.
              The only question is whether everyone has the ability to provide for my needs. laughing
              1. swag
                swag 7 February 2016 16: 45
                +3
                Enough, dispel your soot enough!
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 16: 42
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            that is, we will see at the same time - the collapse of America and the victory of communism.
            Heal !!!

            The oligarchs will not survive, those who grab hold of greed as a saving straw, all kinds of liberals and members of United Russia will not survive, and many more anti-communist trash.
            Only in the near future, even a transition to socialism is not planned. Except that after the war with Turkey and subsequent local wars, the population will arm themselves, as in 1917. Only then can the transition to the construction of socialism be forcible.
            And of course, an ideological Leader is needed. Without it, there will be no revolution.
            So we will not live to see communism, especially since Israel will be occupied by the 200-millionth army of China. It is unlikely that any of the Israelites will survive in such a meat grinder. Russia is said to survive and then thanks to its vast territory.
            1. valera
              valera 7 February 2016 16: 58
              +8
              Quote: Алексей_К
              that Israel will be occupied by the 200 millionth army of China

              Alexey, please share your thoughts on how 200 lemon orava fits on Jewish 6 weaving. Thank you.
              1. atalef
                atalef 7 February 2016 20: 39
                +3
                Quote: Valera
                Quote: Алексей_К
                that Israel will be occupied by the 200 millionth army of China

                Alexey, please share your thoughts on how 200 lemon orava fits on Jewish 6 weaving. Thank you.

                In stacks
                1. valera
                  valera 7 February 2016 20: 43
                  -2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: Valera
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  that Israel will be occupied by the 200 millionth army of China

                  Alexey, please share your thoughts on how 200 lemon orava fits on Jewish 6 weaving. Thank you.

                  In stacks

                  From the Jews there will be babbies. All the same, earthlings will not be happy about this, because the task will be completed by half.
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 21: 54
                -1
                Quote: Valera
                Quote: Алексей_К
                that Israel will be occupied by the 200 millionth army of China

                Alexey, please share your thoughts on how 200 lemon orava fits on Jewish 6 weaving. Thank you.

                Of course, you literally understand everything, then why are 8.4 million Israelis now placed on 6 hundredths? Share your thoughts.
                And the second, 25.11.2015, I indicated by reference to the prophecy of the Greek monk, who died in 1994, How could he predict this? But he predicted!
                Here is the link:
                http://tainy.net/24969-9-prorochestv-starca-paisiya-afonskogo.html
                And here is part of the text:
                "The thought tells me that many events will happen: the Russians will occupy Turkey, Turkey will disappear from the map, because 1/3 of the Turks will become Christians, 1/3 will die and 1/3 will go to Mesopotamia.
                The Middle East will be the scene of wars in which the Russians will take part. A lot of blood will be shed, and even, the Chinese will cross the Euphrates River, having an army of 200.000.000, and reach Jerusalem. "
                Believe it or not, you want it.
                And about how 8.4 million Israelis are currently located on 6 hundredths - please state your opinion. Do not forget!
                1. valera
                  valera 7 February 2016 22: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  And about how now 8.4 million Israelis are placed on 6 hundred parts - please state your opinion

                  They are placed comfortably and there is still enough space for a similar number of people. And you can work out the Sinai and increase the birth rate among Moses, and then calmly build an empire.
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  I pointed out a reference to the prophecy of a Greek monk who died in 1994. How could he predict this? But he predicted!

                  When I drink vodka, I also become a predictor. And as for the gentleman of the Greek monk, all these are fantasies, like the tales of the Jews about their God's chosen people.
                  You just imagine a 200-mile army, you will not feed it, you will not arm it, you will not collect it and you will not provide fuel.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 7 February 2016 19: 33
              +2
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Except that after the war with Turkey and subsequent local wars, the population will arm themselves, as in 1917. Only then can the transition to the construction of socialism be forcible.
              Alexey! I thought you were a serious person. And you are a county dreamer! Not even a dreamer!
              The big war with Turkey is a war with NATO. And without vigorous rattles it is inconceivable. And "subsequent local wars" - what are you talking about? About the war of Bantustans for fresh water sources? or is there something else in mind that we don't know about?
              About making compatriots happy "by force". In my opinion, we have already passed somewhere? Don't you think?
              Maybe it's better to build a normal society with a "human face" like Sweden, Israel, for example.
              Or is it "our indignant mind is boiling"? and really want bloody changes !? And in another way - who will voluntarily give up power, money, property and privileges?
              And you naively believe that the whole western burry-curly backstage will calmly look at our internal showdowns and will not use the troubles to eliminate the country and its subsequent partition? Well then, you are an incorrigible dreamer utopian! (in the sense - it would be better if you drowned in childhood than carry such crap!)
              In short, I am against shock and bloody boys in the eyes!
              Let's better deal with "patriotism", as the Supreme Commander advises. Maybe that will happen, if, of course, he corrects the laws and tightens the screws to the oligarchs and bureaucrats.
              Although it is unlikely ... IMHO.
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 8 February 2016 12: 01
                -1
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Alexey! I thought you were a serious person. And you are a county dreamer! Not even a dreamer!

                Can you truly answer me? What do you believe in? God, Allah, Satan (money and gain) or Socialism with Communism? Or doesn’t believe in anything?
                For any of your answers to these questions, I will answer you - "I thought you were a serious person. And you are a county dreamer! Not even a dreamer!"
                No man has ever seen "God, Allah, Satan or Socialism with Communism."
                So you are no different from me the same is not serious.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 8 February 2016 20: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  So you are no different from me the same is not serious.

                  Good evening, colleague!
                  No, I’m definitely different from you, well, at least, with a look at a possible armed conflict between Russia and Turkey. For me, as for millions of citizens of the country, this is an unacceptable thing! I do not even stutter about the escalation of this plot: well, we do not need a war in any of its manifestations, especially with a member of NATO. And you (judging by the comments) fully admit such a development of events. This time.
                  Second, the a series of local wars, arming the people, forcibly establishing socialism ... And this, what kind of leftist manners !? Yes, and on the article of the Criminal Code on the incitement to violently overthrow the legitimately elected authorities, if desired (not 38-th year ...) you can pick.
                  Third, you need to be an "exceptional" science fiction writer to present a campaign of 200 million Chinese army for the occupation of Israel!
                  Well, to be realistic, I personally can’t imagine the rear of such an army and the system of supplying it / providing everything necessary for the life of the soldiers and maintaining the database. If you imagine this, then you definitely have a place in the General Staff.
                  And of course, faith in foretellers ...
                  Here is a brief summary of what laid the basis for my conclusion about your, colleague, indefatigable imagination.
                  To the question of faith. In our country, freedom of conscience, which implies the ability to believe or not to believe in old and new idols and gods. So the question is tactless in essence and offensive in content: in the enumeration of the supreme hierarchs, you forgot to mention the Buddha and Jehovah - and these are the pillars of two worldly recognized religions.
                  Only to you, in secret, I will say that I am an Orthodox atheist.,
                  But the party card, like the Supreme, did not give up. And the last general secretary, humpbacked Judas, would have strangled with his own hands!
                  So, dear, we are children of our time. And there is nothing to complain about: both are good!
                  Yours faithfully, hi
            3. atalef
              atalef 7 February 2016 20: 38
              +2
              Quote: Алексей_К
              So we will not live to see communism, especially since Israel will be occupied by the 200 millionth army of China.

              Alexei, we don’t have enough land for 200 million, and even if they stand close to each other.
              I’m not saying how such a not-so-weak column will reach us.?
              They will devour everyone like locusts on the way.

              Quote: Алексей_К
              It is unlikely that any of the Israelis will survive in such a meat grinder

              Of course it won’t survive, 200mln of hungry Chinese - yes they’ll force us and eat us without soy sauce
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Russia is said to survive and then thanks to its vast territory.

              Only the living will envy the dead wassat
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 7 February 2016 22: 02
                -1
                Quote: atalef
                Of course it won’t survive, 200mln of hungry Chinese - yes they’ll force us and eat us without soy sauce

                Your irony is accepted. I just repeated the prediction of the Greek monk, who died back in 1994.
                Link: http://tainy.net/24969-9-prorochestv-starca-paisiya-afonskogo.html
                Part of the text: "The thought tells me that many events will take place: the Russians will occupy Turkey, Turkey will disappear from the map, because 1/3 of the Turks will become Christians, 1/3 will die and 1/3 will go to Mesopotamia.
                The Middle East will be the scene of wars in which the Russians will take part. A lot of blood will be shed, and even, the Chinese will cross the Euphrates River, having an army of 200.000.000, and reach Jerusalem. "
                I do not force you to believe, but events are simply moving towards the fulfillment of this prediction.
                I hope Israel has the courage not to fight the Chinese locusts, but to calmly accept their intervention. All the same, after a while they will leave when they consider that Islamic extremism is no longer threatening them. You are not Islamists.
          3. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 7 February 2016 19: 11
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            we will see simultaneously the collapse of America and the victory of communism.
            Well, judging by the fact that in a historical competition between the USA and the USSR, the Union came to the finish line first ... I would not rush things! bully
        2. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: andj61
          You’ll survive, Alexander, you will definitely live! After all, it’s not without reason that the unforgettable Nikita Sergeyevich once said at the XXII Congress of the CPSU: “The present generation of Soviet people will live under communism!” I am the same age as this phrase, but I also hope to survive.

          that is, we will see at the same time - the collapse of America and the victory of communism.
          Heal !!!
          Hi Andrew !
        3. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 15: 05
          +1
          So HE has already arrived. Not only for everyone.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 7 February 2016 14: 54
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        the collapse of America will see our generation? (I am 47 years old) - so what would I know if I survive or not?


        To see America crash
        Don’t waste time on social networks!
        Immediately cut the little button ...
        The rest will be finished by "Rubezh".
        wink
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 14: 55
          +1
          Quote: yuriy55
          To see America's collapse Do not waste time on social networks! Immediately hit the red button ... Everything else will finish "Rubezh

          Crossed it to Meehan.
          Maybe he’ll do something, without getting up from the couch. good
        2. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 14: 55
          +1
          Quote: yuriy55
          To see America's collapse Do not waste time on social networks! Immediately hit the red button ... Everything else will finish "Rubezh

          Crossed it to Meehan.
          Maybe he’ll do something, without getting up from the couch. good
      3. SPACE
        SPACE 7 February 2016 15: 58
        +2
        Quote: dchegrinec
        Gradually, she begins to plunge into the abyss of chaos.

        Not everything is smooth in their kingdom ...
        Quote: atalef
        So, do you think our generation will see the collapse of America?

        It’s interesting if everything is so great for them, how do you draw, why do they need missile defense and an incredible military budget, why did you have to get into Iraq and arrange this series of color revolutions? Although, maybe in your objective reality this is not so, (and just the light of democracy brings freedom to the oppressed peoples of the world))) in the opportunity to be privileged in serving the whims of the owner, in exchange for resources, markets, life taxes, then yes, it a flock of milk and or let blood for a long time is enough ... maybe)))
        1. atalef
          atalef 7 February 2016 20: 41
          +3
          Quote: SPACE
          I wonder if they have everything as great as you draw, for which they have a missile defense system and an incredible military budget,

          Somalia has neither a budget nor a pro and no one is attacking them, why? Because they are doing so well? No, because who the hell are they for?
          Quote: SPACE
          Why did you have to get into Iraq and arrange this series of color revolutions?

          Because it’s because
      4. dchegrinec
        dchegrinec 7 February 2016 16: 39
        +3
        Perhaps at 47 you would like to witness not only the collapse of America, but also the evolution of our earth and the solar system .. laughing
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    3. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 15: 12
      +4
      Quote: dchegrinec
      In parallel with America’s hysterical mood on the international scene, more and more facts of its collapse within the country itself emerge. She has had chronic underfunding for more than a dozen years in almost all areas, the worst is in the atomic field. Gradually, she begins to plunge into the abyss of chaos.


      I don’t know about the abyss of chaos, although it is said beautifully :) But as for the underfunding, I quite believe it. With such military expenditures and the maintenance of so many fat-faced Americans, who are accustomed to being sweet and there are many, foreign bases and allied loafers, there may not be enough money for any garbage, such as nuclear energy. Homer Simpson will confirm that the state of American nuclear energy is not up to par!
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 15: 37
        +7
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        Homer Simpson will confirm that the state of American nuclear energy is not up to par!
        But he was not on duty that shift, by the way?
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 7 February 2016 18: 00
          +2
          They will be covered with a glass dome. For the first time, my son took the girl to this film and took the kin. He was 9 years old then. Here he is, I hope, will see the covering of the mattress with a copper basin.
  20. shelva
    shelva 7 February 2016 14: 42
    +3
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    It would be necessary to help, but they will not let me in! The bastards do not listen to us ..!

    It should be, they say gasoline from the fire helps.
  21. yuriy55
    yuriy55 7 February 2016 14: 43
    +4
    Does Wanga's prophecy that the last US president ... come true? crying
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 15: 10
      +4
      There, grandmother Wang didn’t say anything about the oil price in 2016, otherwise no one really knows, but everyone is interested in it.
  22. Igor V
    Igor V 7 February 2016 14: 48
    +2
    The location of such an emergency station is interesting. 50km., But the north wind ...
    1. thinker
      thinker 7 February 2016 15: 24
      +8
      In-in, the station stands on the banks of the Hudson River. And they are talking about groundwater.
      http://www.seogan.ru/aes-indian-poiynt.html
  23. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 15: 33
    +1
    Close, nafig, your stinky gas chamber !!! The people against !!! am am am
    Protests Against Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant
    On December 12, 2015, 10 people were detained near the station, and they stretched out a warning tape near the station entrance - black adhesive tape, which symbolized the reliable sealing of a building that is dangerous for others. Posters were added to the brightly-colored scotch tape against the extension of the life of the Indian Point nuclear power plant. In total, about 30 Protestants participated in the action. They walked with placards to the entrance to Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant. The reason for the protest was the decision to extend the life of the Indian Point reactors until a final decision was made to extend or ban the operation of nuclear power units.http://miraes.ru/aes-indian-poynt-nyu-york/
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 7 February 2016 16: 54
      -2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Close, nafig, your stinky gas chamber !!! The people against !!!

      Our people, too, were against the expansion of the Rostov NPP, and they also put a bolt on this people! Twin! fellow
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 7 February 2016 17: 18
        +3
        So you live near the nuclear power plant? Yeah ... no luck. I’m more comfortable in this regard, there’s no nuclear power plant nearby, and if the dam of the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric power station breaks, the city will just flood wassat
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 19: 55
          +3
          C'mon, we have Sosnovoborskaya nearby, and nothing, no buzzing :) And even in the dark we don’t shine :) We just grunt softly and dig minks;)
      2. msm
        msm 8 February 2016 13: 50
        -1
        Svidomity will not allow the transfer of energy to the Crimea. They want to close the new power unit in Rostov. Why didn’t they spoil their faces?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 8 February 2016 16: 22
          0
          Quote: msm
          Svidomity will not allow the transfer of energy to the Crimea. They want to close the new power unit in Rostov. Why didn’t they spoil their faces?

          Svidomity in this case to the ass, but against the expansion of the station, people who live nearby!
  24. Belarus
    Belarus 7 February 2016 15: 53
    +4
    At the same time, New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo said that "there is no threat to life and health for New Yorkers yet."


    Yes, yes there is no threat, but it will appear on the mountainaaaazdo later or even on descendants.
  25. red_october
    red_october 7 February 2016 16: 01
    +2
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: seti
    This is the best advertisement of the Russian nuclear industry.

    Let the readers not strictly judge me, but the accidents at our nuclear power plants are strictly classified. And only when the evacuation of the population and the decontamination of the territory is already needed, only then does it get into the media. I do not see any advertising in this of our nuclear power plants.
    This is one of the oldest nuclear power plants in the USA (1956). What do you want from old reactors? In principle, it had long been demolished.
    At our construction site, for example, the Beloyarsk nuclear power plant of 1955, the first two power units with the reactors AMB-100 and AMB-200 were stopped due to the exhaustion of the resource. Fuel from the reactors was unloaded and is in long-term storage. In 2014, the dismantling of reactors began.
    Only no one writes how Yekaterinburg (then Sverdlovsk) was preparing the city of a millionaire for evacuation.


    Online background radiation monitoring system:
    http://www.russianatom.ru/

    Now is not the 1986 year, conclusions are drawn, information from the sensors goes directly to the Internet.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 8 February 2016 11: 49
      0
      Quote: red_october
      Online background radiation monitoring system:
      http://www.russianatom.ru/

      Now is not the 1986 year, conclusions are drawn, information from the sensors goes directly to the Internet.

      And what, in Yekaterinburg, too, several points are monitored and the data is put on public display.
      I said that the data on accidents, and not on the radioactive background, are classified. You are absolutely free to buy almost any dosimeter now and also constantly monitor it. But you will never know about an accident until the wind brings this invisible death to your side.
  26. red_october
    red_october 7 February 2016 16: 05
    +7
    We are now more concerned not with American nuclear power plants, but with Ukrainian ones. Both the operating and the same Chernobyl zone, which the great nuclear scientist Yatsenyuk plans to make a SNF waste zone.
  27. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 7 February 2016 16: 24
    +1
    for me, so hi they there at least everything will start to shine from radiation, the main thing is not to let them into us
  28. pts-m
    pts-m 7 February 2016 16: 25
    +2
    As the people say ... what to be, not to be avoided ... Probably a chain reaction has begun, the next in line are the urine reactors. After all, they are from penostanum.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 7 February 2016 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: PTS-m
      next in line urine reactors

      but it’s not necessary, in the states as much as you want, but we don’t want to
  29. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 7 February 2016 17: 02
    0
    And when is the turn of the yellow stone?
  30. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 7 February 2016 17: 15
    0
    so what? we also have no in Sosnovy Bor no yes the chipundel happens. also you know it’s not far from Peter.
  31. Jager
    Jager 7 February 2016 17: 25
    +1
    Well, I don’t know how in the Americas, but I personally personally saw a mushroom picker coming out of the forest near the track of the Leningrad NPP with mushroom cutters. And he looked sooo weakly reminiscent of some researcher, dosimetrist, but rather a local drunk.
    Since then I don’t eat mushrooms laughing
  32. Yugra
    Yugra 7 February 2016 17: 33
    +2
    Some atomic god punishes the mattress for their behavior in the world ...
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  34. HARDDEN_KMV
    HARDDEN_KMV 7 February 2016 20: 24
    0
    the plot of the fallout ... people probably hang noodles everything is OK!
  35. viktor561
    viktor561 7 February 2016 20: 25
    +2
    Quote: Blondy
    Heavy water leaked with an isotope of heavy hydrogen - tritium,
    And why did they get it about Tritium? Deuterium is used and where it (i.e. heavy water) is used in a peaceful atom - and Tritium is a component of a thermonuclear bomb and not in the form of superheavy water but in the form of lithium hydride - is quite stable - and heavy water based on Tritium is not stable and is extremely expensive in production!
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 8 February 2016 01: 20
      0
      Quote: viktor561
      And why did they get it about Tritium? Deuterium is used and where it (i.e. heavy water) is used in a peaceful atom - and Tritium is a component of a thermonuclear bomb and not in the form of superheavy water but in the form of lithium hydride - is quite stable - and heavy water based on Tritium is not stable and is extremely expensive in production!

      yes, I also read that Tritium ... and I was also very surprised ...
      there are two options:
      1. or journalists messed up something
      2. either it's not a fig or a peaceful atom ...
  36. sablezub81
    sablezub81 8 February 2016 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
    It would be necessary to help, but they will not let me in! The bastards do not listen to us ..!

    help? help to blow up the nuclear power plant, which would cover the "big apple" with a nuclear mushroom and destroy the fat freaks!
  37. Wolka
    Wolka 8 February 2016 05: 27
    0
    painfully familiar symptoms, in 1986 a similar thing happened at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in the USSR ... after which there came a sunset and the collapse of the Great Country of Soviets
  38. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 8 February 2016 07: 20
    0
    When they write how many points on the INES scale - then it will be clear what it is? really a threat or an occasion for petty gloating.

    In Ukraine, almost every month radiation accidents (if not network lies, of course).
  39. vvv-73
    vvv-73 8 February 2016 11: 47
    0
    Quote: Horst78
    Quote: atalef
    I have not found from what year they function, but no less than with 1974. therefore, vehicles to 2010 have worked for at least 46 years - this is generally more than an advanced age

    At my fire extinguishing station tr-r 1970g. release works, and nothing wink

    Yes, and are older. We had a 500-volt transformer of the 50s on the bridge crane working in the opposite direction. He won’t have anything if he serves well and on time.
  40. red_october
    red_october 8 February 2016 16: 45
    0
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: red_october
    Online background radiation monitoring system:
    http://www.russianatom.ru/

    Now is not the 1986 year, conclusions are drawn, information from the sensors goes directly to the Internet.

    And what, in Yekaterinburg, too, several points are monitored and the data is put on public display.
    I said that the data on accidents, and not on the radioactive background, are classified. You are absolutely free to buy almost any dosimeter now and also constantly monitor it. But you will never know about an accident until the wind brings this invisible death to your side.


    Don't you think that accidents are scary for us not [only] because of their presence, but because of the potential increase in the background radiation, which is proposed to be checked in real time? What excludes the "invisible death" that the wind, so poetically described by you, will bring?

    Let me remind you that during the Chernobyl accident, the problem was precisely that the scale of the tragedy was not immediately clear, because due to someone’s negligence, the station had low-power dosimeters (which at first turned out to be locked in the pantry and not prepared for work), which a tenth did not show the real state of affairs.

    And here on the website you can observe the radiation background in the zone of any domestic nuclear power plant at any time of the day. What kind of "invisible death" that the wind will suddenly bring, are you talking about?
  41. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 9 February 2016 11: 51
    0
    It can not be this?)) An exclusive nation should not fail.
  42. Kir1984
    Kir1984 10 February 2016 12: 00
    0
    damn this is not far from my american friend, I hope it's okay