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Media: in Turkish Diyarbakir there is a battle using artillery

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In the center of the Turkish Diyarbakir, where the confrontation between the government security forces and the Kurds continues, an intense battle broke out, artillery shooting and explosions are heard, reports RIA News.




"In the center of Diyarbakir, which is considered the" capital "of Turkish Kurds, is historical Sur district, in which several architectural monuments are located - in particular, it is surrounded by a multi-kilometer fortress wall, in which some fragments date back to the 1500th century BC. Inside the fortress are ancient churches and mosques about XNUMX years old, ”the agency recalls.

But lately, the Sur region has become a war zone between the Turkish security forces and the PKK fighters - the Kurdistan Workers Party.

The area left most of the inhabitants. According to the mayor of the city of Diyarbakir Firat Anli, "out of 70 thousands of residents of Sura, about 50 thousands of people left their homes."

Yesterday, around 2 of thousands of women activists gathered in the city from other cities of the country and staged a protest march. They marched through the center of Diyarbakir, chanting "Long live the resistance of Sura," and "Peace and negotiations."

However, their voices were not heard, literally in 2-s kilometers from the peaceful march, an intense battle began.

Earlier it was reported that during the anti-terrorist operation conducted by the Turkish authorities against PKK activists, more than 750 Kurds were killed.
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  1. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 7 February 2016 08: 36
    21
    Erdogan wanted a war, he got it.
    1. hrych
      hrych 7 February 2016 08: 44
      46
      I wish the Kurds a glorious victory and a well-deserved state, the Turks and the final collapse of the country to the Turks.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 7 February 2016 08: 48
        38
        Will be Kurdistan! The Kurds have been waiting for this for a long time ... Erdogan made a mistake knocking down our bomber! Use the moment of the Kurds! Good luck to you !
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 7 February 2016 11: 08
          +4
          It would be necessary to help the Kurds with anti-tank missiles and MANPADS.
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 7 February 2016 08: 49
        17
        Erdogan is already fighting on two fronts. However, it continues to be bullied in the Russian Federation. Probably wants to get a third. It can be assumed that it relies heavily on NATO. Whether they fit into the Turks is a big question.
        1. shibi
          shibi 7 February 2016 09: 08
          11
          the Ottomans are waiting, not waiting for the new Russian Topal Pasha, who regularly tore their ass!
          And the sky dropped to the earth, and the Danube turned back.
          1. hrych
            hrych 7 February 2016 12: 11
            +5
            And Usak Pasha ...
        2. beck
          beck 7 February 2016 09: 15
          +8
          and what are two fronts? one with the Kurds. and second? Do you mean with the IG? so this is a big question, who is the IS for Turkey, an enemy or a secret partner!
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 7 February 2016 10: 19
            +2
            Quote: beck
            and what are two fronts? one with the Kurds. and second?

            The second with Syria, using the IG ....
            1. aktanir
              aktanir 7 February 2016 10: 25
              +8
              something did not notice that the Turkish Kurds somehow rallied. In my opinion, Erdogan for the time being skillfully controls them, because the actions of the police are constantly spoken about, and that the Kurds respond adequately is nothing ... except for the death in the clashes of a couple of Ottoman cops
              In a word, we all would like to see how the Kurds dryuk Turks, but this is not visible. Here is what I want to say.
              1. SSR
                SSR 7 February 2016 10: 34
                +3
                Quote: aktanir
                something did not notice that the Turkish Kurds somehow rallied. In my opinion, Erdogan for the time being skillfully controls them, because the actions of the police are constantly spoken about, and that the Kurds respond adequately is nothing ... except for the death in the clashes of a couple of Ottoman cops
                In a word, we all would like to see how the Kurds dryuk Turks, but this is not visible. Here is what I want to say.

                + There is a feeling that they (the Kurds) are skillfully manipulated, they do not have unity, and for example Iraqi Kurds could help their brothers in arms but? .....
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 7 February 2016 15: 25
                  +3
                  Yes, confusion and vacillation are not good for them - everyone is dressing up, which of them are "big Kurds". Instead of getting together and promoting the idea of ​​the state. In general, they (the Kurds) historically have the right to their own state. Of the ancient, eternally persecuted peoples, perhaps only they do not. The Jews have, the Armenians have, the Gypsies have two (two, Karl!) ... the Kurds do not. It is unfair somehow. request
                2. Marconi41
                  Marconi41 7 February 2016 23: 27
                  0
                  Quote: SSR
                  for example Iraqi Kurds could help their fellow soldiers

                  To help? Well you! Kurds in Turkey, Iraq and Syria are very different. For example, the PKK (workers' party of Kurdistan) is the communists in its purest form. Iraqi Kurds are completely religious people and how will they unite? Yes, they almost hate each other and their dreams are different. Something like this...
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 7 February 2016 15: 41
                +4
                Quote: aktanir
                something did not notice that the Turkish Kurds somehow rallied. In my opinion, Erdogan skillfully controls them for the time being,

                No, it’s just that in Russia and especially on this site many are sure that all Kurds are united and hate Turks on a united front. No, this is not so. There are many supporters of a united Turkey among Turkish Kurds. They themselves hate the PKK and their ideology. The main centers of Kurds, who hate Turkey and Turks is Diyarbakir and a couple of cities near them.
                1. fisherman2
                  fisherman2 7 February 2016 17: 27
                  +2
                  Every family has its black sheep. In Russia, 10 percent are ready to sell each and every one for 13 pieces of silver, for this the West creates the conditions for venality-sanctions.
        3. cap
          cap 7 February 2016 09: 33
          +3
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Erdogan is already fighting on two fronts. However, it continues to be bullied in the Russian Federation. Probably wants to get a third. It can be assumed that it relies heavily on NATO. Whether they fit into the Turks is a big question.


          NATO-?!. They are always ready to bomb, they know that there will be no answer from the ground.
          This is me about the Kurds. This is nothing yet.
        4. bodzu
          bodzu 7 February 2016 09: 52
          +2
          It is unlikely that the SGA wanted to get a big mess in the Middle East and they got it. And Erdogan, like the now deceased adolf, instead of thinking (from the word thought) thinking (from the word mouse).
        5. ver_
          ver_ 7 February 2016 12: 02
          +1
          ... do you think that mattress toppers will throw them a lot of dough? Fuck that there - the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave .. The more destabilization, the better .. and Europe is stretched over the tomatoes themselves and the Arabs are all "embarrassed" ..
        6. Lelek
          Lelek 7 February 2016 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Whether they fit into the Turks is a big question.


          It is highly doubtful. But Tyipich is an uncontrollable dog and for the sake of his fanaberia can create the most unpredictable. Here, he has already started yapping at the "owner":
          (cry.)
      3. kostolom
        kostolom 7 February 2016 10: 53
        +2
        "Kurdistan" to be !!!
    2. PKK
      PKK 7 February 2016 09: 40
      +6
      Persistence to the Kurds, less losses and military luck to them.
    3. Blondy
      Blondy 7 February 2016 09: 58
      +2
      Or, perhaps, adopt the experience around the Syrian Arab countries: some kind of society of "friends of the Kurds", a "moderate" Kurdish opposition, finance them slightly, sell weapons through someone else. Declare that we are for democracy and for the freedom and self-determination of the Kurdish people.
      1. Seal
        Seal 7 February 2016 11: 06
        +2
        Quote: Blondy
        some society of "friends of the Kurds", "moderate" Kurdish opposition, finance them slightly, sell weapons through someone.

        Uh-huh. So the Armenians will let you do it. While Turkey - Armenians are near the Armenian borders, they can still count on the fact that sometime later they may be able to secure a part of the Turkish lands, which the Armenians consider theirs. But as soon as, instead of Turkey, an independent Great Kurdistan appears near the border with Armenia, and even supported by Russia (and the United States, by the way), the Armenians will have to say goodbye to their plans for a "Great Armenia" forever.
        1. Seal
          Seal 7 February 2016 11: 41
          0
          Not put it that way. The US is now promising the Syrian Kurds a "Great Kurdistan", thereby driving a wedge between the Syrian Kurds and the Syrian government. But as soon as the case of the creation of the Great Kurdistan threatens to move into the practical plane of the implementation of this project, the United States, under pressure from the Armenian lobby in the Senate and Congress, will dramatically change its position.
    4. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 7 February 2016 10: 30
      0
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      destroyed more than 750 Kurds.

      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Erdogan wanted a war, he got it.

      This is not war, this is murder. Kurds without support are doomed, but according to the latest news about the opening of a center for relations with the PKK in Moscow, the situation is encouraging.
    5. self-propelled
      self-propelled 7 February 2016 11: 18
      18
      What kind of war?
      As soon as it comes to a conflict with Turkey or the incitement by the Anglo-Saxons of a conflict in the Baltic states (so far - at the level of amateur performances), the friendly choir of kakunihachukh and baksolyubov makes an unambiguous and unshakable verdict:
      "But SHA will fit in NATO and kirdyk RASHKE" ...
      And it seems that smart people start arguing with them about "fit in"Or"won't fit"and no one asks the question - how and with what NATO is going to fit in?
      Let's start with a small and modest one:
      No one denies that NATO's main argument is the US military. All other types of army play the role of a retinue under "Big Brother", whose task is exclusively to crackle for panic. An attempt, for example, to powerfully fly the German Air Force to the Syrian region clearly demonstrated that there is nothing to take off at all. And this is Germany, by the way. The fighting efficiency of the rest of NATO members all the more - causes laughter in peacetime, and panic in wartime. I don’t know about you, but in the Baltics, where NATO exercises are held almost every week, you can see it with the naked eye.
      So - the main force of NATO - the American military ... And now the question:
      -Tell me at least one conflict in which the United States would get involved without having at least 10-fold superiority over the enemy? No, no, not in the drawn virtual GDP, but in real tanks on the battlefield. I personally don’t remember that. In all other options in the history of military conflicts, the United States clearly and constantly prefers to do anything, but not to fight.
      And why do they suddenly today have to rub it on the forehead of the Russian military - thousands of kilometers from their territory? For the Happiness of Turkey? For the sake of ambition ukrov and the Baltic states? Do you believe that? I - not once. Well, they don’t milk and carry turkey eggs, as you don’t feed them with popcorn.
      And you know, this is primarily known to both the Turks and the Baltic states. Of course, they don’t speak out loud, but they clearly realize that if something happens, they will have to deal exclusively with the angry teddy bear one on one, and all other NATO members will instantly turn into just members confidently pointing at half past five, because each of them at least once with his erection he tried to approach Russia, and received as many times ...
      And earlier - at all times - the West could put in the ranks accustomed to discipline, labor and hardship, millions of workers and peasants. Arm them with some kind of ideology. Now, whom do you command to mobilize? An office hamster protesting violence against his women by pulling on miniskirts and hairpins? Are you seriously? Do you really imagine this army unfolding in a chain and going to machine guns?
      As well as their leaders, for whom Russophobia is just a business. And what the hell is business under the gun of "Caliber" and "Iskander"? But God forbid - the standard of living as a result of the conflict will plummet. Then their own hamsters will arrange genocide and the Holocaust in one bottle for their own leaders. Because, unlike the Russians, no one will ever sacrifice their comfort for the sake of some kind of victory in the West. It is easier to give up and go drink beer with the winners than to pull out of yourself the alien-incomprehensible "everything for the front - everything for victory" ...
      That is, if you remove the puffing of cheeks, formidable rhetoric and bulging eyes, then in reality there is no one to fight in this terrible NATO bloc, nothing, and most importantly, there is no need. Therefore, as well as 25 years ago, and now NATO's Main and Only Striking Fist, which is ordered to crush the enemy and arrange the same "rashkirdyk", is the same 5th column that twice in the twentieth century gave "our Western partners" the keys to the capital of Russia , and at the same time - from Russian bins and headquarters.
      Hey! Kakunihachuhi and baksolyuby, confidently shredding in social networks but not a damn thing willing to rush to the riot police with cauldrons! Is it nice to feel like NATO’s main strike force? Be proud! .. While there is something ...
      1. Pulya
        Pulya 7 February 2016 14: 10
        +1
        self-propelled
        Turkeys lay eggs !!! They (eggs) are twice as large as chicken ...
        And the rest I completely agree with you.
  2. evil partisan
    evil partisan 7 February 2016 08: 37
    +7
    I hope that the Kurds have someone to help with weapons ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 7 February 2016 10: 10
      0
      Quote: wicked partisan
      I hope that the Kurds have someone to help with weapons ...

      I think there is someone, but what is not written in this article is the presence of a military airfield in Diyarbakir, the Kurds in this city have no chance.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 7 February 2016 18: 24
      0
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      I hope that the Kurds have someone to help with weapons ...


      The best help to the Turkish Kurds is the defeat of Daesh in Syria and the creation of Kurdish Syrian autonomy on its territory, which the Turks are mortally afraid of. The thing is going on; not very, but coming.
      (cry.)
  3. meriem1
    meriem1 7 February 2016 08: 39
    17
    Where is the screeching of "progressive" Humanity ??? Where is PACE ??? Where is the UN Secretary General ??????? We understand everything for sure ////. But the Kurds will still have their weighty say !!!
    1. shibi
      shibi 7 February 2016 09: 09
      +8
      where-where ... in rhyme!
    2. Seal
      Seal 7 February 2016 11: 34
      0
      Where is the screeching of "progressive" Humanity ??? Where is PACE ??? Where is the UN Secretary General ??????? We understand everything for sure ////. But the Kurds will still have their weighty say !!!

      There will be no screeching. It should not be forgotten that the second most influential political lobby in the United States is the Armenian one. While Turkey - Armenians are near the Armenian borders, they can still count on the fact that sometime later they may be able to secure a part of the Turkish lands, which the Armenians consider theirs. But as soon as an independent Great Kurdistan, supported by Russia, appears on the border with Armenia instead of Turkey, the Armenians will have to say goodbye to the plans of a "Great Armenia" forever. Therefore, the Armenians will never allow any serious support from the United States, and therefore the UN, to the Turkish Kurds. This means that the Turks can kill the Kurds as they want.
      Now the United States still supports the Kurds. But no longer Turkish, but Iraqi and Syrian. But as soon as it comes to creating a united Great Kurdistan ... in general, there is still a lot of interesting things ahead. Stock up on popcorn and sit back at the TVs.
  4. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 7 February 2016 08: 40
    +7
    The rope is crying for Erdogan with hemp tears - "hang Erdogash on me" !!! angry
  5. askort154
    askort154 7 February 2016 08: 44
    +7
    Such would be a funeral column for "Kalash".
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 February 2016 08: 55
      +1
      it happens and vice versa, according to the funeral column from Kalash
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 10: 20
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Such would be a funeral column for "Kalash".


      But on this we need to work.
  6. ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 7 February 2016 08: 45
    +5
    In order for "the entire (Western) world" to understand what this is about, these territories should be called like this: Turkish Kosovo, Ukrainian Kosovo, Spanish Kosovo, Scottish Kosovo - and the right of nations to self-determination will be obvious))))))) )))))))
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 February 2016 08: 58
      -10 qualifying.
      not in our case, to stutter about the right of a nation to self-determination, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, etc., can in fact take this seriously.
      1. beck
        beck 7 February 2016 09: 09
        +8
        if only individuals (column 5), this is already the work of special services. and lately too much criticism of the official policy of Russia has been pouring. Today I saw a note that Chubais spoke out about the illegitimacy of the current government, although this may be stuffing, fake, but you can expect anything from this!
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 7 February 2016 10: 27
        0
        Quote: -Traveller-
        not in our case, to stutter about the right of a nation to self-determination, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, etc., can in fact take this seriously.

        Under international law, the issue of independence can be considered if there is a section of a common border with another state. In the case of Tatarstan or Bashkortostan, a self-isolation zone or enclave is obtained. I do not think that driving themselves into a blockade is a national idea for them.
  7. kervin78
    kervin78 7 February 2016 08: 46
    +5
    I would like to believe, as in childhood, that good will defeat evil, but each side has its own good and evil and whose good will be steeper? That is why adult life is complicated because there are no concrete answers to very specific questions. There is no black and white, there is something an average that can change color like a chameleon.
    1. beck
      beck 7 February 2016 09: 02
      +1
      Have you seen enough "50 shades of gray"? (shutka)))
    2. Barnaul, Altai
      Barnaul, Altai 7 February 2016 10: 36
      0
      So there is divine providence, and there is no "GRAY" ...
      You are acting either within the framework of this trade, or in spite of it! Everyone who goes against it - life "removes" those ... Where Erdogan goes - everyone can see, except for himself (in the ass) ...
      Therefore, life will soon remove him ...
  8. Cat man null
    Cat man null 7 February 2016 08: 46
    +9
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Erdogan wanted a war, he got it.

    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    The rope is crying for Erdogan with hemp tears - "hang Erdogash on me" !!!

    Erdogan, Erdogan .. not to the fact that I love him so much, but - understand, brethren: any politician is always a hostage to the situation. And there are very few politicians who can turn the tide.

    There would be no Erdogan - there would be a different thread of the Turks .. that's all. Everything else would have remained as it is, since the "leading and guiding" role of the same States has not been canceled and was not even going to be canceled.

    Quote: meriem1
    Where is the screeching of "progressive" Humanity ??? Where is PACE ??? Where is the UN Secretary General ???????

    Where they are in the Donbass. It's awkward, but true.

    Yesterday I just wrote that the Turks will get internal problems, which will greatly reduce their "external activity" .. and caught the minuses .. Oh, how laughing
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 7 February 2016 08: 58
      +4
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      any politician is always a hostage to the situation.

      Erdogan is already frostbitten. Of course the Yankees could play it. And probably played.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2016 09: 06
        +4
        Quote: Foxmara
        Erdogan say already frostbitten

        Perhaps I don’t argue .. I didn’t have a chance to personally communicate request

        Quote: Foxmara
        Of course the Yankees could play it. And probably played

        I repeat: when our plane was shot down, there was a version (among many others) that the decision was made by someone from the top leadership of the Turkish army. Past Erdogan. And he was covered by the "American Druzzya".

        For some reason I believe in this, especially remembering the "extremely tender" relations between Erdogan and the Turkish generals.

        Again - not to the fact that Erdogan is so white and fluffy .. he is a Turk, by definition .. but to the fact that the higher a person’s post, the less degrees of freedom he has .. if he is not the Lord God, of course ..

        Something like that.
        1. andj61
          andj61 7 February 2016 09: 20
          +6
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          I repeat: when our plane was shot down, there was a version (among many others) that the decision was made by someone from the top leadership of the Turkish army. Past Erdogan. And he was covered by the "American Druzzya".

          For some reason I believe in this, especially remembering the "extremely tender" relations between Erdogan and the Turkish generals.

          Maybe, of course, that was the case. Only now Erdogan did not immediately call Putin to resolve the conflict, but immediately turned to NATO, Obama, etc. so he must also snout to the nines ... request
          Well, the version you cited began to emerge from the Turkish journalists close to the top five to seven days after the event - at first they said that some general was to blame, then even Turkish Prime Minister Davutoglu. Only, it seems, this is only to shield Erdogan. After all, if Erdogan had called Putin in the first hours, the issue would have almost certainly been settled. And there they would agree on how to present it in such a way that there would be no "loss" for Erdogan, and Putin would not be accused of connivance with criminals ..
          And what the "Americans" covered - also for sure - in the air at that time was the American AWACS over Turkey, and besides, there was also a Saudi over Saudi Arabia nearby. Surely one of them gave out target designation too.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 09: 36
            +4
            Quote: andj61
            Erdogan did not immediately call Putin to resolve the conflict, but immediately turned to NATO, Obama, etc.

            It was a panic, typical .. that, IMHO, just confirms my version.

            Quote: andj61
            he also probably snout to the nines ...

            So who argues with this? Oil was not without his knowledge in Syria, they were being traded - do not go to a fortuneteller ..

            Quote: andj61
            After all, if Erdogan had called Putin in the first hours, the issue would have almost certainly been settled. And there they would agree on how to present it in such a way that there would be no "damage" for Erdogan, and Putin would not be accused of connivance with criminals

            Perhaps they would have come to an agreement ... and there would have been "patriots" who would have begun to draw analogies ... unpleasant ... well, with the same "Kursk", for example - also - do not go to the fortuneteller.

            Everything is complicated there .. and multifaceted. And all the edges are sharp request
        2. ver_
          ver_ 7 February 2016 12: 20
          0
          ... if someone showed such "initiative" Erdogan would not only have pulled out his eggs ...
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 7 February 2016 09: 16
      +4
      any politician is always a hostage to the situation

      If he did not create it himself. And Erdogan himself, with his own hands, created the situation with both Russia and Syria. Yes, and with the Kurds could solve issues differently, rather than aviation and artillery.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2016 09: 43
        +3
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Erdogan himself, with his own hands created the current situation with both Russia and Syria

        But to be honest - I do not care about Erdogan. Saliva. And so -

        - The United States created the situation with Russia. Yes, by the hands of the Turks. They flew in Ukraine - now they decided to bite here ..
        - the situation with Syria is the same story. ISIS - "Made in USA" 102%, well, further in the text ..
        - the situation with the Kurds - it was already long before Erdogan .. and the Kurds themselves, how to say .. well, they are far from being angels with wings .. just at the moment they are "our dog's children", according to the established expression.

        I repeat: everything is complicated there.

        All IMHO, of course yes
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 7 February 2016 10: 04
          +2
          That the United States, as always in business, no one argues. And Erdogan, what a little boy or head of state? With the filing of the United States with his own hands and created a situation. By the way, I am not writing that the Kurdish problem arose under him. She is already many decades old.
          1. Boos
            Boos 7 February 2016 10: 17
            0
            There is no one to fill up Kurds with money, anti-human methods are used.)))
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 February 2016 15: 30
            0
            Okay, "ad absurdum" ..

            Quote: rotmistr60
            The fact that the United States, as always in business, no one argues

            Yes, of course .. only here is such an example of what happened to you:

            - sit it you in a trolley bus .. the trolley bus goes, as it should .. in the lane, and over the wire yet (I remember the trolley bus for good reason)
            - here it cuts the trolley bus .. well, cool Pts (Merce, Lehus, Ferrari, Porsche - yes exactly)
            - the trolleybus slows down, as it can .. but it still fits .. it’s not clear what, but it owes this - Merc-Luxus-Porsche .. let them not be mentioned ..

            I mean, the Turkish leader, whatever his last name is, is the position of the trolley bus driver he loves. And it seems not to blame .. and not to object ..

            That's something like request
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 7 February 2016 09: 24
      +9
      I shed .. for the winter .. (3 mats on the site - and ALL laughing) here, slowly growing up :) A colleague is not the same as a cat in winter without wool, hold +, hi But not much is strange, I only sat in a bathhouse for 4 mats. request
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 7 February 2016 09: 30
      +3
      Yesterday I just wrote that the Turks will get internal problems that will greatly reduce their "external activity" .. and caught the minuses .. Oh, how laughing


      So these are not internal problems, but the cleaning of the rear before the offensive. The Turks practically eliminated all serious units in the 4 month. There were loners and cells that the special services are engaged in, and not the army. Diyarbakyl is the last major Kurdish stronghold in Turkey. Now they have increased the intensity of working MLRS, receiver and introducing a few companies M-60. Seen in a hurry.
      1. Dmitry Ukraine
        Dmitry Ukraine 7 February 2016 10: 30
        +1
        Maybe you're right. But no matter how later this "cleansing of the rear" sideways came to the Turks - if a serious turmoil really begins and Turkey gets involved at the behest of its current "sultan" in a serious war, the Kurds will remember them all (including in the rear) ...
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2016 15: 33
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        So these are not internal problems, but the cleaning of the rear before the offensive.

        Yes?

        Quote: donavi49
        The Turks virtually eliminated all serious units in 4 months

        Yah? In its territory? And nowhere else - no Kurds?

        Quote: donavi49
        Now they have increased the intensity of working MLRS, receiver and introducing a few companies M-60

        Donbass-2, enhanced version. The first is over .. well, you know how. And the North Wind has not been canceled yet.

        Somehow
    5. cap
      cap 7 February 2016 09: 40
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null

      Yesterday I just wrote that the Turks will get internal problems that will greatly reduce their "external activity" .. and caught the minuses .. Oh, how laughing


      Yesterday minus, today plus life is beautiful drinks
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 7 February 2016 22: 54
        -1
        Quote: cap
        life is Beautiful

        Life .. is striped .. yesterday there was still work, and today it’s not already .. and tomorrow - maybe it will, maybe not .. but no one canceled the animals (pets) .. and hunting has stopped smoking, it’s cutting its teeth laughing
    6. SPACE
      SPACE 7 February 2016 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      but - understand, brethren: any politician is always a hostage to the situation. And there are very few politicians who can turn the tide.

      The logic of circumstances is always stronger than the logic of intentions, in an effort to realize their interests. This is the main formula of possibilities by which it is possible, with a certain degree of probability, to calculate how events will develop further. There are many examples; it was clear to smart people as early as 2013 with the beginning of the Maidan that the revolution in Ukraine would force Putin to take Crimea, this is a matter of Russia's strategic security, even despite the consequences. And the Donbass was visible, since depriving Ukraine of the energy core, making it not a viable problem for puppeteers, is a preemptive counterattack, the consequences of which many still have to reverse and rethink. Obeying just such a logic, granite boulders of geopolitics of superpowers are moving, without even noticing how the fate of people and peoples is being grinded. If we substitute the values ​​and goals from the Russian political Olympus in this formula, we will understand the logic of the actions of the inhabitants of the Kremlin, the Central Bank, the allegarchs and all other powerful people and change anyone and anything there, as patriots liberal and communist roots categorically demand, in the naive hope of quick changes are meaningless and proceeding from this law on the contrary, will lead directly to the opposite, the worst. Syria was no exception, further consequences are visible ...
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 7 February 2016 10: 37
        +1
        ... Turkey has driven itself into a dead end with a dilemma, "bad and terrible", many here have already predicted this. Sow the wind, reap the storm, dug a wolf's hole and get Kurdistan. But for Russia simultaneously oil and gas, Ukrainian and Syrian issues, there are circumstances that with 100% probability will push it to extremely tough answers, both in Ukraine and in Syria, and there are no prerequisites for hope, neither NATO nor the United States will save, and it seems that they understand this perfectly well, although stupid people have always been an exception to the rule.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 7 February 2016 22: 52
          0
          Quote: SPACE
          That's just for Russia, at the same time, oil and gas, Ukrainian and Syrian questions, there are circumstances that will be 100% likely to push it to extremely tough answers

          And this means exactly one thing - "no need to push .. Russia" laughing

          Thank you for your thoughts - to me personally - they are not superfluous.

          100
  9. hartlend
    hartlend 7 February 2016 08: 51
    +2
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Inside the fortress are ancient churches and mosques about 1500 years old. ”

    According to Wikipedia, Islam arose in the 7th century, then how can mosques be 1500 years old? Even if they built it the next day, it’s a problem. They like to trick us.
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 7 February 2016 09: 11
      +5
      And who told you that the mosque was built from scratch? It could well remodel the old building, there are many examples. St. Sophia is so for an example.
      1. cap
        cap 7 February 2016 09: 45
        +4
        Quote: lwxx
        And who told you that the mosque was built from scratch? It could well remodel the old building, there are many examples. St. Sophia is so for an example.


        Roman Cathedral in Baalbek. There are no examples.
    2. aba
      aba 7 February 2016 09: 12
      +5
      Here, after all, what’s the matter ... Often religious buildings are being rebuilt from those that are available, so it is likely that there was another religious building in that place. And with the advent of Islam, they simply rebuilt under the mosque.
      There, Christian churches are now closing in Europe due to a sharp decrease in the number of parishioners and some of them are being rebuilt into mosques.
    3. ver_
      ver_ 7 February 2016 12: 32
      +1
      ... Islam arose in the 15th century - as a result of the "Baptism of Rus" - our ancestors were pagans .. Jesus Christ - Prince Andrey Bogolyubsky 1152 -1185gg.
  10. beck
    beck 7 February 2016 08: 59
    +4
    Turks again muddied yet another genocide. they haven’t answered yet for the past and again in a new way. we must scream at every corner that the Turks have begun national purges, NATO is helping to destroy the Kurds, etc. it is necessary to launch as much information as possible in the media, to raise noise in the UN, to scoop up the quick-eyed Moon, so that at least he makes public statements
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 7 February 2016 09: 32
      +5
      NATO, at the suggestion of the United States, considers the working party to be terrorists. Therefore, Erdogan cheerfully so on the Kurdish caterpillars and winds up, enlisting the support of other Kurds (Barzani, clans in Syria).
  11. -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 7 February 2016 09: 03
    +3
    Erdogan and Co. decided to finally resolve the issue with the RPK - the time is convenient, while Syria and Ukraine are not up to the Kurds to the “world community”.
  12. igorek4515
    igorek4515 7 February 2016 09: 06
    +3
    In the center of Turkish Diyarbakir, where the confrontation between government security forces and Kurds continues, intense fighting broke out, artillery fire and explosions are heard,

    And there the air base of the Turkish Air Force is located on which the F-16 fighters are based, and in particular, the Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down from this air base last November.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 February 2016 09: 38
    +2
    Erdogan’s rule seems to risk leaving the ashes not only in his own country but also in all foreign policy relations. He urgently needs to be removed from there. There is nothing to improve, but the face is completely destroyed by everything ..
  14. AlexTires
    AlexTires 7 February 2016 09: 40
    +4
    Erdogan wanted to return the Ottoman Empire, received - a civil war. And Mustafa Kemal Atatürk warned ....
    1. cap
      cap 7 February 2016 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: AlexTires
      Erdogan wanted to return the Ottoman Empire, received - a civil war. And Mustafa Kemal Atatürk warned ....


      The military dismissed by Zrdogan from among the generals is not heard. He transplanted everyone not otherwise. This contingent is not heard and is not visible. But the mine is the same!
      1. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 7 February 2016 10: 39
        0
        already let out many, the part returned to service.
      2. Seal
        Seal 7 February 2016 18: 49
        -1
        Quote: cap
        The military dismissed by Zrdogan from among the generals is not heard. He transplanted everyone not otherwise. This contingent is not heard and is not visible. But the mine is the same!

        Alas. Under Erdogan (Turkish Prime Minister since 2003), the economic situation in Turkey has greatly improved. Actually, that's why the Turks vote for him. This means that the Turkish Government under Erdogan could afford to spend much more on the army than the predecessors of Erdogan could afford 15-20 years ago. First they bought an army, and then cleaned it. Nobody blundered.
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 7 February 2016 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: AlexTires
      And Mustafa Kemal Atatürk warned ...

      do not remind what he warned about, preferably with a quote
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 February 2016 09: 48
    +4
    And the Turks will again say that they killed 100500 terrorists without losing a single one of their own? Artillery in their cities is something very familiar. Could not the maidan of the brain have entered Ankara? And I said that this is a terribly contagious disease, and can only be treated with quarantine and cutting off diseased tissue.
  16. vobels
    vobels 7 February 2016 09: 51
    +2
    "..in the course of the anti-terrorist operation conducted by the Turkish authorities against PKK activists, more than 750 Kurds were killed ..." This is where the "valiant" OSCE would join in and scream about the violation of all rights and the suppression of all democracies. But ... The owners did not give them such a text in their hands.
    1. cap
      cap 7 February 2016 10: 03
      0
      Quote: vobels
      "..in the course of the anti-terrorist operation conducted by the Turkish authorities against PKK activists, more than 750 Kurds were killed ..." This is where the "valiant" OSCE would join in and scream about the violation of all rights and the suppression of all democracies. But ... The owners did not give them such a text in their hands.


      About the OSCE smiled. Petrushki on the salary of the State Department. Talking heads who can not determine their gender identity. Three types of toilets on each floor are more perplexing than the problems of refugees, Syrian Kurds further on the list.
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 February 2016 09: 51
    +2
    Erdogan went all-in. At stake is not only his political career, but also the future of Turkey as a state. Overseas warders believe that they control the situation, but it wasn’t there. As the latest events in this region have shown, the states assume, and life disposes, laying out the most bizarre solitaire games.
  18. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 February 2016 10: 17
    +2
    Looking at this photo, you understand that Turkey has problems with the Kurds for many, many years ..
  19. The black
    The black 7 February 2016 10: 35
    +2
    The best thing the Turkish people can do to save their country (if not too late) is to pull Erdogan and his accomplices ...
    1. ver_
      ver_ 7 February 2016 12: 39
      0
      ... people never do such things - this is the prerogative of national elites ..
  20. Kirill
    Kirill 7 February 2016 11: 43
    0
    Quote: SSR
    There is a feeling that they (the Kurds) are skillfully manipulated, they do not have unity, and for example Iraqi Kurds could help their fellow weapons but? .....

    Barzani verse Daesh and the Turks. They saw oil revenues. There is no time to help others
    1. alone
      alone 7 February 2016 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: kirill
      Barzani verse Daesh and the Turks. They saw oil revenues. There is no time to help others

      Back in the 80s, Barzani and Talabani did not get along with the PKK. In short, they fought among themselves. At that time there was no Daesh at all.
  21. alpamys
    alpamys 7 February 2016 13: 51
    +1
    Nazarbayev’s Terutsky Prime Minister visiting Putin through him

  22. sergant67
    sergant67 7 February 2016 18: 16
    0
    Continuation of the topic ...

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erodgan proposed that the United States make a choice between Ankara and the Kurds, TASS reports with reference to Turkish television.The reason for the dissatisfaction with Turkey was the visit of the American delegation led by the US special representative in the international coalition against the IG Brett McGurk, to the city of Kobani controlled by the Syrian Kurds.

    The best news ... with far-reaching consequences for both sides. Thanks to the geek Erdogan, maybe he will help to dot the ... "xy from xy"
  23. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 7 February 2016 20: 52
    0
    What is it, the Turks want to get into Syria? What will the stingy liberals say? It would be time for the Turks to get even for everything and destroy NATO as an alliance.