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What was Turkey up to?

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Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov believes that the Turks plotted to invade Syria. What is happening on the Turkish-Syrian border speaks of intensive preparations for a military invasion, said Major General Konashenkov. On the same day, a high-ranking source at the Russian Foreign Ministry told a RIA journalist “News”That Ankara’s ban on Russian observation flights confirms Moscow’s concern over the use of the Turkish-Syrian border to support IG.




What is happening on the Turkish-Syrian border shows that Turkey is preparing for a military invasion of Syria, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov told 4 on February.

“We have serious reasons to suspect Turkey’s intensive preparation for a military invasion of the territory of a sovereign state - the Syrian Arab Republic,” Konashenkova quotes. Interfax. “Signs of the covert preparation of the Turkish armed forces for active operations in Syria, we are fixing more and more.”

The official representative also recalled that earlier the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation presented video evidence: the shots show how Turkish self-propelled artillery installations fire at Syrian settlements in the north of Latakia.

“We are surprised that the talkative representatives of the Pentagon, NATO and numerous so-called human rights organizations in Syria, despite our call to respond to these actions, are still silent,” said Konashenkov.

He also said that the Russian defense ministry strengthened all types of intelligence in the Middle East.

“Therefore, if someone in Ankara thinks that the cancellation of the flight of Russian observers will allow something to be hidden, then it is unprofessional,” he said. RIA News".

As for the cancellation of observational flights, there is news on this topic. It dates back to the same February 4 as the statement by Konashenkov for the press.

Turkey’s ban on Russian observation flights confirms Moscow’s concern over the use of the Turkish-Syrian border to support the Islamic State, said RIA News" high-ranking source in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation.

The agency does not disclose the source name.

Moscow considers Ankara’s refusal to conduct an observation flight over Turkey within the framework of the “open skies” treaty blatant, this source told RIA Novosti.

The agency reminds that the flight of a group of Russian observers over the territory of Turkey was planned from 1 to 5 in February. However, after the announcement of the planned route, the Turkish military refused to conduct it, citing the instructions of its Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

“The case is, of course, blatant, because today, in fact, the agreement on open skies is one of the few mechanisms that continue to operate in the common European space. Moreover, this agreement is effective, and it allows you to have reliable information about the steps taken or not taken by this or that state, ”said an unnamed interlocutor of RIA Novosti. And he pointed out that “a year ago, when our Western partners tried to actively accuse Russia, that we had some kind of unspecified activity along the border with Ukraine, it was the flights of the planes of NATO countries under the open sky agreement that completely refuted all those fabrications”.

So what can a Turkish ban mean? The source has the answer to the question: “There is no need to try to solve some rebus. This is an obvious fact. If you are not allowed to fly there, then there is something to hide. There is something to hide not only from us, there is something to hide from the international community. This once again confirms the concerns that the Russian side has repeatedly voiced about the use of the Turkish-Syrian border in order to support the ISIL militants. ”

In the evening of the same 4 February, the press published a response from the Russian Foreign Ministry about the Ankara ban.

Russia does not intend to leave unanswered the ban of the Turkish authorities on the observation flight of the Russian An-30B in violation of the open sky treaty and is waiting for support from other countries, the agency reports "Prime".

Consider and comment the other side.

As the IA "REGNUM", the reason for the refusal of Russia in an observation flight over the territory of the country and near the borders of Syria was explained by the Turkish Foreign Ministry. A ministry spokesman, Tanju Bilgić, said that observation flights are carried out when both parties reach agreement on a flight plan.

"In the case of the observation flight requested by the Russian Federation on 2-5 February 2016 of the year, the parties could not agree on the flight route, and thus it was not carried out," the agency quotes the official representative of the Turkish Foreign Ministry.

Meanwhile, the REGNUM news agency reminds that earlier Sergei Ryzhkov, head of the Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for Control over Contract Enforcement, reported that the flight to An-30B was planned from February to 1 through 5. Ryzhkov said: "There were no preconditions or restrictions on the observation flight by Russia from Turkey."

The fact that the political relations of Turkey and Russia are in one of their worst phases is also indicated by the breakdown of the Geneva talks, arranged by Turkey and the United States with the aim of provocative attacks on Russia.

The US State Department and President Erdogan behind him explained the actual disruption of the inter-Syrian negotiations in Geneva by the operation of the Russian videoconferencing system, the newspaper reminds "Sight". Representatives of the legal authorities of Syria, as well as Russian diplomats, are convinced that the disruption of Geneva-3 was planned by the delegation of the opposition, acting on orders from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia.

Western and Middle Eastern patrons of the "opposition" turned the blame on the Assad government, and the State Department blamed Russia. The Geneva talks were terminated due to the fact that the Russian Aerospace Forces allegedly fired on a humanitarian convoy, said State Department spokesman John Kirby, pointing to "bombing against civilian targets."

Turkish President Erdogan bluntly stated that negotiations to resolve the crisis in Syria cannot be held as long as the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces continues in the country.

And one more fact speaking about the “frosty” stage in Turkish-Russian relations.

Last week, Ankara accused Russian pilots of violating Turkish airspace. The Su-34 bomber incident occurred on January 29, notes RBC. The Turkish side claims that the pilot was warned in Russian and English. In turn, Moscow rejected these accusations of violating the airspace and demanded evidence.

It is clear that Turkey, the Middle Eastern monarchies like Saudi Arabia and, of course, the United States, will continue to do everything to overthrow Assad in Syria. Erdogan, who considers Assad a "butcher" and a "murderer," has long dreamed of ending the current Syrian government. The same goals are pursued by the United States. Ankara, feeling behind its back the invisible presence of the United States and NATO, is capable of any actions. The possible invasion of Syria does not seem fiction at all: everything that Uncle Sam approves of and that can somehow harm Russian interests has a high chance of coming true.

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  1. sgg
    sgg 8 February 2016 07: 23 New
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    The war with Turkey is approaching.
    1. amirbek
      amirbek 8 February 2016 07: 41 New
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      Quote: sgg
      The war with Turkey is approaching.


      watch the cartoon about "Mowgli"
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 8 February 2016 10: 47 New
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        It will be a difficult trip for the Turks ...
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 8 February 2016 12: 44 New
          +8
          I do not think that the Russian leadership will calmly look at such aggression of Turkey.
          But it’s interesting, what does the NATO charter say about the military operations of one of the NATO members not agreed with Brussels? Mandatory support, termination team, or another concern?
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 9 February 2016 15: 11 New
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            Quote: Stock Officer
            But it’s interesting, what does the NATO charter say about the military operations of one of the NATO members not agreed with Brussels? Mandatory support, termination team, or another concern?

            Here is a quote from Article 5, taken from the site of NATA itself:
            The Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered an attack on them as a whole and, therefore, agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of them , in the exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist a Contracting Party that has been subjected or to Contracting Parties subjected to such an attack by immediately exercising such individual or joint action, which it considers necessary, including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.

            Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result of it are immediately reported to the Security Council. Such measures will cease when the Security Council takes the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

            That is, he considers it necessary to use armed force - apply. But he doesn’t consider it - he will only provide moral support in the media. Well, maybe he’ll share his humanitarian aid ...
      2. shibi
        shibi 8 February 2016 10: 50 New
        +8
        Watch better movies about the great Suvorov!


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    2. Platonich
      Platonich 8 February 2016 08: 01 New
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      And, it seems, we can’t avoid it!
      1. cniza
        cniza 8 February 2016 08: 25 New
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        Quote: Platonitch
        And, it seems, we can’t avoid it!



        By leaps and bounds ... it seems only a miracle will help to avoid war.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 8 February 2016 19: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: sgg
          The war with Turkey is approaching.

          Quote: Platonitch
          And, it seems, we can’t avoid it!

          Quote: cniza
          By leaps and bounds ... it seems only a miracle will help to avoid war.

          Miracle is Erdogan's "stroke".
          It seems that the players from the "other" side made a key stake on him in organizing a big batch on the BV.
          If this figure disappears from their plan, then this will entail its correction in terms of the start of the war in connection with force majeure circumstances.
          At least, the fact that the war is already on the verge also indirectly confirms the fact that literally from the beginning of February, active information processing began of the Western citizen’s consciousness about Russia's aggressive intentions in the Baltic States and Sweden, the bombing of peaceful Syrians that provoked a flow of refugees to Europe and violations of the cart. expanse of Turkey, leading to the idea that it is necessary to defend itself and this is inevitable.
          As for the timing, it seems to me that the start will be given three or four months before the US presidential election, so that the mattress people rally in front of an external "threat". In the battle between Republicans and Democrats for the presidency, the factor of war will be decisive for the advantage.
          They just seem to have forgotten that not so long ago the GDP said that in order to protect its interests, the Russian Federation would use all its weapons, including nuclear ones. Maybe Wang was right predicting that the black president would be the last in US history? Time will tell. Russia is terrible for its improvisation, and our arguments are iron. We will break through.
          1. DHA
            DHA 8 February 2016 19: 31 New
            +1
            the flow of refugees to Europe began even before the intervention of Russia
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 8 February 2016 20: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: DHA
              the flow of refugees to Europe began even before the intervention of Russia

              It began earlier, but Russia was appointed responsible for it, with a blink of an eye - they say, earlier it fled less.
              And the fact that after Russia's intervention in the conflict, 800 thousand refugees returned to Syria, they modestly remain silent.
          2. volgroo
            volgroo 8 February 2016 23: 29 New
            +1
            The Mahatmas promised that there would be no 3rd world. It will be broken into minor military conflicts. The last black president of America does not mean world war, but only the end of the United States.
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 February 2016 08: 30 New
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      Quote: sgg
      The war with Turkey is approaching.

      The defeat of Turkey is approaching.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 8 February 2016 08: 50 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The defeat of Turkey is approaching.

        A century later, history repeats itself. Will have to be reminded.
        "Eh Sultan, I would sit in the Port" Poster. Mayakovsky V.V., Malevich K.S. 1914 g.
        1. ICT
          ICT 8 February 2016 09: 08 New
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          Quote: Ami du peuple
          A century later, history repeats itself.


          Software comes out more often wink
          1. bearing73
            bearing73 8 February 2016 20: 01 New
            +1
            Times and characters change - the goal remains.
      2. Forest
        Forest 8 February 2016 10: 19 New
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        Stop throwing hats. In the Russo-Japanese they threw it, the entire fleet lost and the army.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 8 February 2016 11: 28 New
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          Quote: Forest
          Stop throwing hats. In the Russo-Japanese they threw it, the entire fleet lost and the army.


          Do not confuse modern Russia and the Russian Empire since the time of Nikolai the Bloody! These are two big differences.

          In addition, the Russo-Japanese War was essentially an invasive war, unleashed not without the help of the British and Americans. And if it were not for the mediocrity of the tsarist generals and their direct betrayal (Stessel and Fock are examples of this), then we would hardly have lost the war! By the way, Russia's lag in military-technical terms also affected. White shirts were clearly visible, the shells in the fleet were much inferior to the Japanese, there were practically no machine guns, corruption and betrayal were almost universal!

          So the comparison is clearly not successful! In the Russian-Turkish wars this was not observed, well, maybe only with the exception of the Crimean War, where almost the whole West entered Turkey! And directly with the participation of its armed forces. Now they are trying to make Russia an aggressor, but so far they have failed. I do not believe that the Americans will go directly to fight for Turkey, they have a different task, so that anyone would fight, but not them!
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 8 February 2016 11: 39 New
            +7
            Diana, my compliments. Eliminated the need to write a long answer to a colleague "Lesnoy" smile There are some comments, but they are from a series of insignificant. And so, I absolutely agree with you hi
          2. Forest
            Forest 8 February 2016 14: 21 New
            -6
            We do not have direct access to the borders of Turkey, the Black Sea Fleet is weak in comparison with the Turkish one, it is enough for the Turks to break through the thin line of SAA in Latakia - and in a couple of hours their tanks will reach our base, and it is impossible to repulse the 20-30 thousand attack with hundreds of armored vehicles. Aviation will simply crush the 8 of our fighters in bulk, the anti-air defense units will destroy both the C-400 and C-300. On the ground, a battalion of marines and several tanks with armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, which can only be protected from a pistol, will also not last long. And we won’t be able to help our troops - there are no common borders with Turkey. In our country, Tatarstan supports Turkey, it can strike the rear.
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 8 February 2016 15: 11 New
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              Quote: Forest
              We do not have direct access to the borders of Turkey, the Black Sea Fleet is weak in comparison with the Turkish one, it is enough for the Turks to break through the thin line of SAA in Latakia - and in a couple of hours their tanks will reach our base, and it is impossible to repulse the 20-30 thousand attack with hundreds of armored vehicles. Aviation will simply crush the 8 of our fighters in bulk, the anti-air defense units will destroy both the C-400 and C-300. On the ground, a battalion of marines and several tanks with armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, which can only be protected from a pistol, will also not last long. And we won’t be able to help our troops - there are no common borders with Turkey. In our country, Tatarstan supports Turkey, it can strike the rear.


              Well, yes, but in our General Staff there are some stupid generals who have, according to your logic, one gyrus, and that one is from a cap! Nobody sees anything, intelligence does not work, and the generals are sitting and waiting for the Turks to attack them, so what ?!

              Your conclusions are based on your ignorance and absolute non-knowledge of realities! You served in the army, feel free to ask ?!

              If you do not know, then Russia showed in 2014 (if I am not mistaken) how it can transfer large masses of troops and create large groups in a day on the territory where there are no land borders. The exercises took place on the territory of the Kaliningrad region, and if my memory serves me, then in a day ours collected and deployed either 10 or 20 thousand with equipment and supplies, while NATO members deployed their five thousand "quick response" for five days, having no border problems!

              You should talk with my brother, so he would tell you how our special forces work and how much time they need to capture Erdogan’s palace!
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 16: 06 New
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                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                The exercises took place on the territory of the Kaliningrad region, and if my memory serves me, then in a day ours collected and deployed either 10, or 20 thousand with equipment and supplies, while NATO members deployed their five thousand "quick response" for five days, having no border problems!
                You are confusing something, nowhere is there evidence that exactly all 9 thousand were transferred there from other parts of the country, and not the Kaliningrad region itself, in which many parts are already concentrated
                http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/273981
                And then to transfer troops in the face of enemy opposition, this is not for you to drive trains on your territory. Break through the Bosporus? or immediately drop off in Istanbul? so to say, another Galipolis operation to crank)
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 8 February 2016 16: 43 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  And then to transfer troops in the face of enemy opposition, this is not for you to drive trains on your territory. Break through the Bosporus? or immediately drop off in Istanbul? so to say, another Galipolis operation to crank)


                  Maybe I'm confusing, I do not insist that I'm right! But to think that our General Staff is not calculating the options for attacking Turkey, you’ll agree too silly. Have you found a way to transfer the S-400 in the shortest possible time ?! I am not a great strategist, but I think we have something to answer to Turkish aggression, otherwise no one would get involved in such an adventure, I do not believe in stupid generals! I’m personally acquainted with one personally, quite competent and sensible man, young enough, something around 50 with a ponytail. They are ready for anything, although no one is publicizing it. Now the army is not the same as it was five or seven years ago!
                  1. Forest
                    Forest 8 February 2016 17: 41 New
                    10
                    C-400 was transported via Iran and Iraq via transporters. And to transfer a tank army - you need about 500-600 IL-76. And where to get them and where will they sit? In desert? In the mountains? And where to get ammunition? For one artillery preparation, Msta-S can process up to 8 tons of ammunition. Only one self-propelled guns.
                    1. Throw
                      Throw 8 February 2016 18: 43 New
                      +6
                      Diana Ilyina
                      You should talk with my brother, so he would tell you how our special forces work and how much time they need to capture Erdogan’s palace!

                      Started! "I'll call my brother!" angry
                      Detsky garden, pants with straps laughing

                      But you don’t need to throw bonnets - the situation is bad.
                      1. Diana Ilyina
                        Diana Ilyina 8 February 2016 19: 38 New
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                        Quote: Lance
                        Started! "I'll call my brother!" angry
                        Detsky garden, pants with straps laughing


                        This is not a kindergarten, just my brother, an active special forces officer, and I trust him 200 percent, unlike the couch "experts" from the VO, half of whom, not that they did not smell gunpowder, but simply were not in the army !

                        Tired of these snot, all kinds of "pseudo-experts" who have never seen the army! Which of you guys at VO can disassemble a Kalashnikov assault rifle with your eyes closed and assemble it the same way ?! 50 percent will be typed ?! Without false modesty, I can say that I can do it!

                        To listen to such "experts", so we have to go right now and surrender! Now, just take a running start!
                      2. Throw
                        Throw 8 February 2016 22: 49 New
                        +3
                        So you are listening with the wrong ear, no one writes about "surrender", you do not need to run away laughing

                        And if in essence, then the discussion topics of this note are related to combat planning and management of the headquarters of the troops, and the opinion of the special forces has nothing to do with it - this is not their level of information and analysis.

                        PS. Kalashnikov does not need to be able to assemble / disassemble with his eyes closed. From it you need to be able to open-shoot bully
                      3. not main
                        not main 8 February 2016 23: 09 New
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                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        To listen to such "experts", so we have to go right now and surrender! Now, just take a running start!

                        Thanks Diana!
                      4. kapitan281271
                        kapitan281271 9 February 2016 14: 12 New
                        +2
                        As for the army did not serve it omit love , and it’s not a question of snot shedding, it’s a matter of not throwing caps with a war with Turkey, it’s not to drive Georgians in the mountains, you need to prepare seriously, and colleagues say that objectively, to put it mildly, we’re not quite ready and we are early in disadvantageous conditions in comparison with probable opponents. That's all. By August 2008, we were preparing for the earlier, or we knew or what other feelings were included, and then, as you know, to put it mildly, everything did not go very smoothly. But I agree with you if this tower dog is scrambling it will need to be punished quickly strongly and exponentially. I really really hope that we are ready for this.
                      5. OlegLex
                        OlegLex 10 February 2016 15: 52 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        Tired of these snot, all kinds of "pseudo-experts" who have never seen the army! Which of you guys at VO can disassemble a Kalashnikov assault rifle with your eyes closed and assemble it the same way ?! 50 percent will be typed ?! Without false modesty, I can say that I can do it!

                        I can say for sure that everyone who was born somewhere from the 1972-3 of the year and below can still do this since the NVP was with everyone, those who served in the army too.
                        You see, the fact that you have a brother and with a gun you on this certainly inspires you. But there is only one thing, but now it’s not 1905, and thank God it’s not forty-first. But the people are the same. While peacetime of actual military generals, not so many of them without any shyness are being pushed by careerists and all kinds of grabbers. So do not flatter yourself strongly, do not. Yes, of course, not the fools but the gods are sitting in the General Staff, and the General Staff is also a likely adversary. Therefore, if a massive offensive begins on the Turkish side, there is almost nothing to oppose to this. No matter how the Turks were blamed, their army is the strongest in Europe and the Middle East. But what do we do in the event of an invasion, I do not even dare to predict. Because the Syrians are certainly good guys, and getting involved in full-scale hostilities is somehow not handy, not only is the theater of operations very far, it is also located outside the territory of a potential enemy. It used to be in Spain.
                  2. Gogia
                    Gogia 8 February 2016 19: 52 New
                    +6
                    Lesnoy, today there are about 700 Il76 ... But that is not the point. Who will give them a throw? The Americans will immediately close the north of Iraq ... On the other hand, the Bulgarians and Romania - they will only be happy for us ... to us. Then if only China says its word ... and the Turks begin to put liquid at the shalvara, but this is unlikely ... So the tactical plan is bad for us ...
            2. Forest
              Forest 8 February 2016 17: 39 New
              -3
              In Kaliningrad, there were no air defense systems and there were no enemy fighters. And to send troops with armored vehicles in which armor with a gulkin’s nose on unprotected transporters is to throw people into a meat grinder. We can’t go by sea - the Turkish fleet in the first salvo is almost 3 times superior to ours, and there are missile defense systems both new and not old. Yes, and 12 thousand - this is negligible to fight with a half-million army. When we entered Syria, there was no question of a war with Turkey. Can you tell me how to fight a country without nuclear weapons, where it is impossible to deliver troops?
            3. Gogia
              Gogia 8 February 2016 19: 48 New
              -3
              Why talk nonsense? As if you know how long it takes to capture the palace?
            4. Manul
              Manul 8 February 2016 21: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Well, yes, but in our General Staff some dumb generals are sitting

              Who are "excellent" planning the beginning of all our wars. And only then others are put in their place.
          3. Tatar
            Tatar 8 February 2016 16: 22 New
            -6
            go sleep and you are so
          4. Talgat
            Talgat 8 February 2016 16: 35 New
            +9
            Quote: Forest
            We do not have direct access to the borders of Turkey, the Black Sea Fleet is weak in comparison with the Turkish one, it is enough for the Turks to break through the thin line of SAA in Latakia - and in a couple of hours their tanks will reach our base, and it is impossible to repulse the 20-30 thousand attack with hundreds of armored vehicles. Aviation will simply crush 8 of our fighters


            Your concerns are understandable, but still I will object

            I hope other factors play:

            1) Access to the borders of the Russian Federation is not needed; to the Russian Federation it does not wage a land war - it is waged for Russia by the allies of Iran with the IRGC and Hezbollah + Syrians loyal to Assad. They will fight in case of Turkish aggression. Te protection of the Russian base does not have to defend itself alone against the 30 000 Turks

            2) The Black Sea Fleet is weaker than the Turkish fleet - yes it is - but in case of conflict the Turkish fleet in the World Cup will be destroyed immediately and will not be able to realize the advantage. Russia will transfer aviation from other directions + there are coastal complexes

            3) Yes, Turkey has strong air forces - the only moment where neither Iran nor Syria can resist. I think c-300 and the transfer by Russia of additional 100-150 fighters more than equalize the chances

            4)
            Quote: Forest
            In our country, Tatarstan supports Turkey, it can strike the rear.
            I won’t even comment. Tatarstan is the basis and bastion of Eurasia. The second center and the heart of Russia. Due to isolated cases, it is not worth talking about all the Tatars. They will not choose Turkey instead of Russia

            5) But of course, Turkey is a strong country and also a member of NATO - and God forbid, it will start to fight with Syria Assad (and, therefore, automatically with Iran) - Russia will have to somehow take part to protect the allies. It is clear that Russia will never leave Syria and Iran alone with the Turks and the West. One on one RF will certainly deal with Turkey - But it will all be very, very bad, everything will be here - here I agree with Lesnoy
            1. Forest
              Forest 8 February 2016 17: 50 New
              -2
              1) There are far fewer troops in Syria than the Turks. Do not forget tens of thousands of militants - they will not sit still when their masters advance.
              2) In the event of a conflict, the attacker will have the initiative, so our ships will be under attack, but there is no modern missile defense.
              3) There is no place to throw 100-150 fighter jets - there is nowhere to land such a large compound in either Syria or Iran, especially since Iran will permit the use of its airfields.
              4) The Tatarstan government did not support the sanctions against Turkey, but supported the Turks.
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 8 February 2016 19: 10 New
                +3
                There is only one answer to all these 4 points. Unfortunately.
                1. wax
                  wax 8 February 2016 21: 28 New
                  +3
                  Right. But it is better to prevent a fight, which Russia is now trying to do by increasing the information component (based on intelligence and diplomacy in this region).
              2. Gogia
                Gogia 8 February 2016 19: 58 New
                +1
                Which Uturks supported Tatarstan? They gave it to the visor with the song. Our Tatar fear is afraid that it is ....
              3. Igluxnumx
                Igluxnumx 8 February 2016 22: 56 New
                +1
                Yes in the end! It's disgusting to listen to! Russia and Turkey are only separated by the Black Sea, where we already have 2 submarines with "Calibers", 2 more submarines are undergoing sea trials, i.e. already afloat. There are good airfields in Crimea. Have you forgotten the range of the SU-30 or SU-35? I'm not talking about bombers. This is for the seed. When (and if!) A fight begins, then you need to beat in full force. And not think about winning or losing. Lesnoy is a minus.
            2. Gogia
              Gogia 8 February 2016 19: 57 New
              +2
              Under item 1,4,5 I agree.
              According to claim 2, they cannot be destroyed right away - they have a lot of small ships with missile weapons.
              According to claim 3. How to transfer 150 aircraft? Where to organize the base - in the affected area of ​​the MLRS from the Turkish border ??? Now our base is how many kilometers away? New multiple launch rocket systems that the Turks purchased from the United States How many kilometers do they shoot? They also have thermobaric ...
          5. bif
            bif 8 February 2016 17: 09 New
            +9
            Dear sofa echperd, I recommend that you at least get acquainted with the opinions of knowledgeable people, and only then gag the gag ..
            "The entry of Turkey and Saudi Arabia into the war against the Syrian armed forces will mean an inevitable clash with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation," military analyst, vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Sivkov emphasized in a comment to the VZGLYAD newspaper. , the expert believes ...
            “The Turks have fairly well-trained armed forces,” Sivkov notes. - In principle, they can conduct hostilities, and quite successful. However, if they begin military operations against the Kurds or against the Syrian army, a Kurdish militia may “explode” behind them. ”

            But at the same time, the level of technical equipment of the Turks can be assessed as average. If we compare it with the Syrian armed forces, to which we have recently supplied quite modern weapons, it may turn out that the Turkish armed forces will be technically even less trained than the Syrian army.

            “The main tank fleet of the Turkish army is represented mainly by rather outdated equipment: American M-60 tanks and German Leopard-1A2. These tanks are significantly inferior in combat capabilities of the T-90, which are already in the Syrian army, the modernized T-72BM. Especially M-60, - the expert explains. “The likelihood that in the event of an invasion of the Turks there will be tank clashes there is high.”

            The Turkish air defense systems are represented by the American Hawk complexes of early modifications. The Turks do not have modern complexes.

            “The Turkish fleet at this stage is more powerful than the Russian,” said Sivkov. - There will be problems with Turkish submarines along our coast, and very serious if we have a conflict with Turkey. Syrian capabilities are not comparable - the Turkish fleet is more powerful. But everything will be decided on the continent. "
            The main fleet of Turkish aircraft is F-16, which are inferior to the Russian aircraft of the latest modifications, such as Su-35, Su-34, Su-30, but surpass Syrian ones. In terms of combat training, Turkish pilots are considered to be quite well trained pilots.
            “In military-strategic terms, both Turkey and Saudi Arabia are in a very favorable position,” Sivkov said. - Turkey has a direct border with Syria and has the ability to provide grouping actions directly from its territory. Syria, whose military industry was destroyed during the civil war, can rely only on supplies from Russia. However, the Turks - there is no doubt in this case - will take all measures to at least impede supplies, and possibly block the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles. ” In this case, there will be problems with the supply of both our and Syrian troops, since only the air way through Iran remains.

            However, the closure of the straits will be viewed by Russia as an act of military aggression, and in this case Russia will be able, in accordance with international law, to enter the war with Turkey in full. "

            http://vz.ru/world/2016/2/5/792452.html
          6. Siberian 1975
            Siberian 1975 8 February 2016 17: 15 New
            +8
            Tatarstan in the back to us? How and by what? My friend, do not smoke any rubbish. laughing
            1. GOGY
              GOGY 8 February 2016 17: 54 New
              0
              Imagine how KTU makes a march to Moscow lol or immediately south, to help the Turks ...
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          7. DHA
            DHA 8 February 2016 19: 36 New
            +1
            We think globally, and you are one airdrome. interesting and who in Tatarstan supports the Turks? if only a bunch of living
          8. Gogia
            Gogia 8 February 2016 19: 47 New
            -3
            Comrade, Lesnoy! I agree with you in many ways! But Tatarstan supports itself, not Turkey !!! Don't speak for us. And so I agree, even though some idiots and minus you. The most difficult thing is that they can simply throw a wave of 40-50 aircraft over all our air defense with HARMs, and ships with 50-60 harpoons - the distances there are very small ... What to do then? At the same time, NATO will support them with the words: "according to our control, the Russians attacked the naval base near Marmaris on C300 missiles." And that's all ...
            It is necessary to quietly taxi out, twist their hands and fabers, but not sharply climb into the fray ...
            1. Manul
              Manul 8 February 2016 20: 37 New
              +5
              Quote: Gogia
              But Tatarstan supports itself, not Turkey !!!

              And you do not speak for the whole of Tatarstan. Your entire post is puzzling, but I will not comment on it. But for any region, republic, country, you need to fit in, being very sure that everyone will agree to subscribe to your words. And they can be correct in essence, but erroneous in form and grammar. And then at least my signature will be missed. Ilya. Birth city of Naberezhnye Chelny. Mother - city of birth - Kazan, nationality - Tatar. The number of uncles and aunts in Kazan is 7-1 (died in a car accident - a drunk tractor ran over) The number of cousins ​​and nephews is a lot. Tatarstan (despite the fact that I was born there, from sincerity in St. Petersburg, here is my life), I consider my second homeland. I visit Kazan and the Kama glades often. What am I doing? And the fact that do not separate Tatarstan from Russia.
            2. Forest
              Forest 8 February 2016 21: 21 New
              -5
              About residents - I will not say anything bad - everywhere there are normal people and approximately in the same numbers. The question is to the top, which can trick and delay production, etc. The Turks in the first salvo will have about 230-250 anti-ship missiles against our 80-90. Most likely, air defense will be covered from MLRS - there, with a system range of 80 km from the border with Turkey, only 48 km. Or 1,5-2 hours on BMP.
          9. Vinchi
            Vinchi 8 February 2016 21: 24 New
            +3
            Don't panic. We have a base in Armenia, Istanbul is also not far away - i.e. the history of World War I may repeat itself, when the Russian troops approached Istanbul and the Turks immediately paws up. Our long-range aviation was working - everyone saw it, not all the "surprises" were shown yet .. am
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 22: 22 New
              0
              Quote: Vinchi
              Istanbul is also nearby - i.e. the history of the 1st World War may repeat, when the Russian troops approached Istanbul and the Turks immediately paws up.

              it actually in the war of 1877-1878 was
          10. NEXUS
            NEXUS 8 February 2016 21: 34 New
            +6
            Sorry generously for interfering ...
            Quote: Forest
            We do not have direct access to the borders of Turkey, the Black Sea Fleet is weak in comparison with the Turkish

            Well, I would argue with you. Of course, our Black Sea Fleet is less numerous than the Turkish one, but our underwater component is of a higher quality. Plus, our Varshavyanks have Calibers that "please" the whole world so much. The situation with the surface fleet is worse, but not bad.
            Quote: Forest
            and in a couple of hours their tanks will reach our base, and it is impossible to repel an attack of 20-30 thousand with hundreds of armored vehicles.

            Is this a fright then? Will you be reminded of Damansky Island? And here there will be no Grads, but Tornadoes, or Tornado-S. The questionnaire asks what will happen to all this Turkish horde after several volleys of our SZO? Or do you seriously think that in Syria does not have these systems? And there are helicopters that will roll out all this armored vehicles in a few minutes.
            You may argue that the Turks have quantitatively more aircraft ...
            Yes, but firstly, I want to look at those pilots who, knowing that they are under the gun of our air defense systems, will try to look even crookedly in the direction of our airfields and airplanes. And secondly, did you remember that Crimea is very close? And there is an air wing in constant combat readiness and this is not defenseless SU-24.

            Quote: Forest
            anti-aircraft defense units will destroy both the S-400 and S-300.

            What passions. It’s not a Turkish army, but a bunch of supermen. laughing If the Turks at least try to do something like that, it will already mean a war with the Russian Federation. Then Caliber will go to all the vital objects of the country, and Iskander and much more, which will very easily reset the whole Black Sea Fleet of Turkey. And from Armenia, it may even be the same Iskander and air wing and air defense.
            Let them try ...
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 8 February 2016 21: 50 New
              +8
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, I would argue with you.


              Andrei, well, thank God, there was at least someone sensible who told us in human language what I wanted, but could not, because of my gender! All the same, men are easier and easier to talk about military things! Everything is simple and easy to understand, thanks! love
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 8 February 2016 22: 03 New
                +5
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Everything is simple and easy to understand, thanks!

                Comrade Lesnoy does not understand that if everything was as simple as he writes, the Turks would have crossed the border a long time ago, only something is holding them ... Uncle Sam will not get into a fight for them, but he can help with money and weapons. But the army, navy, and the Russian aerospace forces are not the same as during the first Chechen one. And there will be an answer. And I'm not sure that Erdogan and all this gang-watering can like him.
                This is not bravado, but the way things are today. It is precisely because the Turks can "get snotty" that Ankara does not cross this red line.
                Always welcome Diana hi
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 22: 27 New
                  -3
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Comrade Lesnoy does not understand that if everything was as simple as he writes, the Turks would have crossed the border long ago.
                  If everything was so complicated, the Turks would never have shot down our SU-24 so brazenly. And they continue to threaten further, having received no response. So let's see what happens next - Erdogan, is absolutely unpredictable hi
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 9 February 2016 03: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Stirbjorn
                    Erdogan, absolutely unpredictable

                    Unpredictable and entranced are not the same thing. hi
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          12. Garris199
            Garris199 9 February 2016 03: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Forest
            We do not have direct access to the borders of Turkey,

            Armenia (a member of the CSTO) has.
        2. Androsh
          Androsh 8 February 2016 14: 41 New
          +2
          We lost so that Japan asked for peace ..)) And in World War 1, we probably also lost to Turkey, capturing half of their territory ?!
        3. Manul
          Manul 8 February 2016 20: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Do not confuse modern Russia and the Russian Empire since the time of Nikolai the Bloody! These are two big differences.

          And you do not confuse. The level of capabilities of the alleged opponents in countering us, both economically and militarily, has also grown significantly. You are asked not to be a prude and admit that everything may not be so simple. And you are a person in the face with a hat, cheers Tipo.
      3. 72jora72
        72jora72 8 February 2016 11: 34 New
        +6
        Stop throwing hats. In the Russo-Japanese they threw it, the entire fleet lost and the army.
        What is the fact of the harassment with what? We express our thoughts and analyze the article.
        1. Forest
          Forest 8 February 2016 14: 22 New
          -10 qualifying.
          The fact is that in the event of a war with Turkey, we will first rake, and if we can not send troops through Georgia (which is fantastic in itself), then our allies.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 8 February 2016 14: 52 New
            10
            Quote: Forest
            The fact is that in the event of a war with Turkey, we will first rake, and if we can not send troops through Georgia (which is fantastic in itself), then our allies.


            What is your statement based on ?! How do you think Turkey can win the war against Russia ?! Please provide analytics, support with facts and relevant conclusions. Otherwise, forgive me, but your categorical statements are similar to hysterical ones: "lolikuseo is gone" or "pamagitemifseumrem"!
            1. Forest
              Forest 8 February 2016 17: 33 New
              -2
              Already wrote - in the Black Sea their fleet is stronger, they also far outnumber our units in Syria. But we can’t send an army to Turkey - can you tell me how motorized rifles cross the sea?
              1. johnny
                johnny 8 February 2016 19: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: Forest
                Already wrote - in the Black Sea their fleet is stronger, they also far outnumber our units in Syria. But we can’t send an army to Turkey - can you tell me how motorized rifles cross the sea?

                In addition to the World Cup fleet, we have: the Northern Fleet, the Pacific Fleet, the Caspian Flotilla,
                Baltic Fleet
                And in which case the World Cup fleet will be strengthened.
                and for the World Cup aviation the fleet is already stronger, plus Syria and ours are still in Syria.
                The Turks are definitely talking about ... sya. The question is, will NATO harness for Turkey? ....
                1. Gogia
                  Gogia 8 February 2016 20: 04 New
                  -6
                  How many weeks will you strengthen it ???
                  The Turks in the ranks of about 120 F16C and D + Tiger F5 old about 40 What do you beat them? Will it be wet with cruise missiles?
                2. Forest
                  Forest 8 February 2016 21: 25 New
                  -5
                  So in the Black Sea they can’t be placed in advance, and in case of war they simply won’t be in time, and NATO will not let them into the Mediterranean Sea. In Syria, aviation is outdated, there are no normal missiles. Fighters from the Crimea will not be able to cover Syria - there will not be enough range, and Turkey’s air defense will not sleep, and they don’t know how to work with our air defense - they met only in WWII and 08.08.08.
                  1. Evgeny_Lev
                    Evgeny_Lev 9 February 2016 14: 13 New
                    0
                    And magnanimously, but why did you get the idea that the theater of operations will only be at the World Cup?

                    Maybe you know the composition of the submarine fleet in the Mediterranean?

                    And can you be sure that most Turks support Erdogan?
              2. Evgeny_Lev
                Evgeny_Lev 9 February 2016 14: 17 New
                0
                And how many strategic aviation units does Turkey have?

                Or do you think that Russia will be afraid to use the Kyrgyz Republic in places of fleet accumulation, airfields and other infrastructure?

                Or do you think that Turkey will be able to bring down strategists over the Caspian?
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    5. mitrich
      mitrich 8 February 2016 14: 43 New
      +3
      Alexander Romanov wrote: "The defeat of Turkey is approaching."
      It seems like a generalissimo for pagons, but you are engaged in cap-throwing.
      It will be a defeat, but the war will be difficult and lengthy, I mean the full-scale war. Look at the logistics, you won’t deploy tank wedges and divisions at once, and Nata will, at the very least, mess up.
      Remain, IMHO, two options for a quick and effective answer:
      strike TNW, which is unlikely
      - hit with Calibers. But there must be a lot of them to drive the Ottomans into the Stone Age, from where they just crawled out. I think at least 1500-2000 pieces. So there should be a lot of carriers, so that not "a teaspoon per hour" but a massive blow. And there are definitely few of them.
      Something like this. hi
      1. the most important
        the most important 8 February 2016 17: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: mitrich
        It will be a defeat, but the war will be difficult and lengthy, I mean the full-scale war. Look at the logistics, you won’t deploy tank wedges and divisions at once, and Nata will, at the very least, mess up.
        Remain, IMHO, two options for a quick and effective answer:
        strike TNW, which is unlikely
        - hit with Calibers. But there must be a lot of them to drive the Ottomans into the Stone Age, from where they just crawled out. I think at least 1500-2000 pieces. So there should be a lot of carriers, so that not "a teaspoon per hour" but a massive blow. And there are definitely few of them.

        first hour: Putin’s statement that Turkey attacked Russia and that those who want to stay alive should stand by
        second hour: attack on the Turkish air force and navy bases:
        third hour: capture of the straits:
        4 o'clock: a blow to the industry of Turkey ....
        by the end of the first day there will be no one to fight ... and the Turkish ground forces are such a BIG target for the VKS ....
        1. RUSLAN
          RUSLAN 10 February 2016 07: 04 New
          0
          DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE TURKS WILL BE ALL THESE SHOCKS AND GRAVES OF THE STRAINS PATIENTLY BEARING AND DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING?
    6. SergeyA
      SergeyA 8 February 2016 16: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: sgg
      The war with Turkey is approaching.

      The defeat of Turkey is approaching.

      So let's bring it closer.
      Gather a battalion of volunteers to send to Syria.
      And in it we exclusively recruit marshals from Military Review.
      1. Gogia
        Gogia 8 February 2016 20: 05 New
        0
        I agree! They chat for sure ... Look at the map Freaks !!!
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 22: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: SergeyA
        So let's bring it closer.
        Gather a battalion of volunteers to send to Syria.
        And in it we exclusively recruit marshals from Military Review.

        Exactly)) and Mikhan the standard bearer or battalion bugler !!! laughing
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  2. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 8 February 2016 08: 58 New
    +8
    Quote: sgg
    The war with Turkey is approaching.

    I am sure Russia will do everything right with the letter of the law not to undermine, so that Turkey looks like an aggressor, then their entire ground grouping will turn into rusting rubbish, not the USA and NATO will not start a third world war for the Turks, there’s nothing to discuss here! one draw Russia into war. well, and as they say, time will tell, I think something like that.
  3. Blondy
    Blondy 8 February 2016 09: 05 New
    +6
    What kind of war, what NATO? "Unidentified" armed groups of terrorists undertook another attack on the positions of the SAR army from Turkey. The RF Ministry of Defense does not complain about the lack of ammunition for the Aerospace Forces aircraft and "calibers" for the Navy.
  4. Vadim237
    Vadim237 8 February 2016 10: 20 New
    +5
    Couple to Syria to quickly deploy tactical missiles.
  5. Dreiko11
    Dreiko11 8 February 2016 10: 21 New
    10
    Oh, Turkey did all this in mind .... Turkey was like a jackal on a leash near the islands, without their consent and doesn’t get into a sartier .. Turkey itself has not belonged for a long time. All its greatness ended during the Ottoman Empire.
  6. 222222
    222222 8 February 2016 10: 31 New
    +2
    sgg RU Today, 07:23 AM
    The war with Turkey is approaching. "

    Turkey will fight with a nuclear power? SO FUNNY!!! laughing
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 8 February 2016 10: 38 New
      16
      ..... Turkey will fight with a nuclear power? SO FUNNY!!!

      .... Funny .... But you can expect anything from these earhooks .... At this point, Erdogan reminds me of a monkey with a grenade ..... lol
      1. Siberian 1975
        Siberian 1975 8 February 2016 17: 20 New
        +3
        The monkey from the white house will order and Erdogan will fight with anyone who pleases.
  7. SMikhalych
    SMikhalych 8 February 2016 11: 09 New
    15
    Quote: sgg
    The war with Turkey is approaching.

    No, it’s Turkey that decided to return Constantinople to Russia by force lol
    "In 1453 the Ottoman Turks seize the capital of the Byzantine Empire - Constantinople. Almost all Greek historians who described the capture of Constantinople have the following legend. When Mohammed the conqueror entered the Church of Hagia Sophia, the clergy served the liturgy there, and the clergy sang the Cherubic song. an invisible hand closed the royal gates of the altar.Since then, as legend says, no one dares to enter this altar, and the liturgy will continue for centuries, until the very time in which Christians will again take Constantinople. Then the holy gates will open and the priestly archpastor will come out. and, having accepted the Holy Gifts, he will remember the Most Glorious Sovereign, and after that he will go to eternal rest together with the priestly elders. "
    .................
    “The Christian tribe will rise, and will fight against the Basurmans and destroy their sword, and their wives will drive them into captivity, and they will beat their children, and the son of Ishmael will go under captivity and not free oppression under the sword, and the Lord will give them their wickedness, as they do the Christians. And he will find evil seven times, kill him and the Lord will smite them with the hand of Christianity, and the Kingdom of Christianity will be exalted over all the kingdom. "

    http://nashaplaneta.su/news/russkij_konstantinopol_chto_stoit_za_predskazanijami
    _starcev / 2015-11-26-4925
    hi
  8. max702
    max702 8 February 2016 12: 26 New
    20
    The whole article around and about .. Che will do when the Turkish contingent trample into Syria? Infantry, tanks, artillery, and more .. What will we do? That is the main question! And are you ready for this? When the SU-24 failed, it turned out that they were ready for this! Here, no matter how it turned out that they did not think ABOUT THIS! What are we going to do when the MLRS goes through parts of the Syrian army, and possibly even through our airfield .. I would not like to ALWAYS respond to an act of aggression after the death of our people (08.08.08). Measures must be taken in advance, and it is possible to announce from the highest stands that Turkey will not be in this case, and NATO membership will not save it! In the meantime, inflation of the cheeks and no more .. What provokes that side to more provocative actions ..
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 13: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: max702
      Che will do when the Turkish contingent trample into Syria? Infantry, tanks, artillery, and more ..
      A serious question - simply many believe in the omnipotence of calibers. Type one salvo and the Turks fled. As the classic says
      For the general, it was simple. The path to glory went according to the recipe: at six o’clock in the evening the soldiers will receive goulash with potatoes, at half-past eight the army will “empty” in the latrine, and at nine everybody goes to bed. Before such an army, the enemy flees in horror.
      1. max702
        max702 8 February 2016 15: 19 New
        +5
        Regarding calibers, I wonder how many are available? Is there a couple of hundred? I doubt it .. And one volley after which the Turks will flee, alas, but it can only be nuclear .. We didn’t have time to really rearm, didn’t debug the economy, did not create a safety margin, alas, the country had to be CLEANED very hard, but the horse wasn’t lying around in that direction .. So all development options in the current state of affairs in our country lead to defeat! We must face the truth! Only a strong move with a trump card can somehow smooth out the situation, everything else will be squandering and so far not great resources ..
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 9 February 2016 06: 02 New
        +3
        A serious question - simply many believe in the omnipotence of calibers.
        Well, all of you have calibrated to calibers, they are not a panacea, but simply one of many tools that will work in a complex ....
  9. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 8 February 2016 12: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: sgg
    The war with Turkey is approaching.


    It will be something like with Georgians ... maybe only a little longer.
  10. Army1
    Army1 8 February 2016 12: 42 New
    +1
    By the way, today the Southern Military District was alerted in case of "critical situations".
  11. ruAlex
    ruAlex 8 February 2016 13: 17 New
    +6
    Nothing new under the moon, Turkey acts only as an instrument of the West. Hundreds of years pass, and the methods are the same and they don’t understand the flawed rake again. Apparently again have to teach a lesson. Only this time everything will be much more serious.
  12. madjik
    madjik 8 February 2016 21: 54 New
    +1
    war in general and not only with the Turks. I regret only about our children, and that I personally can’t tear these creatures up to this batch
  • Rav075
    Rav075 8 February 2016 07: 24 New
    13
    It is necessary to publish satellite images and warn about the consequences of the invasion.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 8 February 2016 07: 57 New
      +4
      When are troops most vulnerable? Right march ... So let's wait for the Basurman ...
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 8 February 2016 07: 24 New
    26
    Well, I do not believe in Turkey, as an independent player, I am convinced that everything is planned if not in Brussels, then in phishington, for sure.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 08: 03 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Well, I do not believe in Turkey, as an independent player

      That’s imperative - it all depends on how much the United States wants Vladimir Red Sun to stick in the dirt .. Not for nothing they lured him to go there in general, there was no need to climb .. and Erdogan then played along with this - remember the recent history, nothing presaged such a confrontation on the part of the Turks and now we have an enemy who has a lot of trump cards and all our cries about the s400 and as many as 4 fighters are suitable only for Mihana to leave slogans but not for a serious war .. Especially if the Turks resort to hybrid warfare tactics - they will change their troops under the Turkoman and will be out loud
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 8 February 2016 08: 49 New
        33
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        It was not in vain that they lured him to go there where, in general, there was no need to climb .. and Erdogan then played along with this - ostentatious friendship with GDP, remember the recent history, nothing foreshadowed such a confrontation by the Turks

        Kohl, it seems to me that you are deeply mistaken in the fact that we were lured there, at work I seem to have an adequate colleague at first glance, but I was hysterical, they say, don’t give us the Crimea, and don’t give us Syria, they say we contain these bad people. We have supposedly pensions, utilities, gardens and more.
        This is at least an apolitical argument, today you are out of politics, tomorrow politics will deal with you. Ukraine and most of the citizens who were in politics are now confirming this.
        Now about the fact that Turkey did not portend us, are you sure that did not portend? All North. Kav, Turkey set fire to us in the 90s, and it’s not a secret, and the special services know about the actions of the Turks, which are much more than our everyday ones, here I think Putin played along with Erdogan, for the time being, well, he did the same, everyone pulled to the last so to speak, to the red line, about which Putin stated in the media that they made concessions, despite some differences, and the anti-Russian actions of the Turks. (this is not verbatim).
        Now about 4 fighters, because sometimes you just have to do the manipulation of removing the pistol from the holster to stop the criminal. So in this case, this is a subtle hint of thick circumstances. Are you sure that all airbases will not be calibrated, and will be refined.
        So it’s not so simple.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 09: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Sirocco
          Now about 4 fighters, because sometimes you just have to do the manipulation of removing the pistol from the holster to stop the criminal. So in this case, this is a subtle hint of thick circumstances. Are you sure that all airbases will not be calibrated, and will be refined.
          Well, a pistol, against a fully equipped fighter with a machine gun and grenades. Is she scared? It is enough to compare the Turkish air force and navy with our group in Syria. And then, are you sure that all calibers will directly blow the Turkish airbases to smithereens? In addition to the 200 F-16, there is still not weak air defense. Well this is not ISIS to naughty, in the absence of opposition.
          1. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 8 February 2016 10: 41 New
            +8
            ...... And then, are you sure that all calibers will be smashed to pieces by Turkish airbases? In addition to the 200 F-16, there is still not weak air defense. ...

            ... Reasonable remark .... That everything will be 100% smashed - I doubt it .... But even if 50% is a lot ... It may well sober up ... But for "Tochka" and "Caliber" air defense is not very big hindrance ... hi
          2. Michael-rl
            Michael-rl 8 February 2016 11: 17 New
            +5
            Non-resilient air defense are Patriot systems that are not specifically designed to destroy cruise missiles. Another thing is that modern warfare is completely different. Here it is necessary to solve two goals and as soon as possible.
            1. Make enemy groupings useless. To inflict maximum damage to the navy and enemy aircraft on the first day of the war. Is it possible? I think yes. Will it be so? Who knows. It is possible to strike at ports, ships and airfields both with calibers (which by the way xs how much is left in the region), and x-35. At the same time, you can check the capabilities of the instant 31, as a fighter-interceptor of gaining dominance in the sky.
            2. The overthrow of the current regime. This is a necessary action in the short term. If you leave everything as it is, only with an army that is not capable of working, it will turn out like in Ukraine. There will be a hostile state growing a new generation of residents in hatred of Russia - none of this good will come of it.

            Will Russia take such a step? In fact - I doubt it. But let's see.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 13: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: Michael-rl
              Non-resilient air defense are Patriot systems that are not specifically designed to destroy cruise missiles. Another thing is that modern warfare is completely different. Here it is necessary to solve two goals and as soon as possible.
              Well, exaggerating the capabilities of cruise missiles is also not worth it. Hammer them ISIS and what? Caliphate collapsed?
              Quote: Michael-rl
              It is possible to strike at ports, ships and airfields both with calibers (which by the way xs how much is left in the region), and x-35.

              There are not so many caliber carriers in the region. The Turks of the Kyrgyz Republic also have.
              Quote: Michael-rl
              At the same time, you can check the capabilities of Mig-31, as a fighter-interceptor gaining dominance in the sky.
              6 Syrian Mig-31s will do nothing.
              Quote: Michael-rl
              The overthrow of the current regime. This is a necessary action in the short term.
              What is it like? there are no pro-Russian parties at all and were not. The Turks can set the same tasks for themselves, with the same result. In Ukraine, it was much easier to do, but failed.
              PS it feels like minusculeers attack so violently because they think that with every minus the Turks have one F-16 less wassat
          3. Evgeny_Lev
            Evgeny_Lev 9 February 2016 14: 20 New
            0
            Are you sure that only Caliber is in the arsenal?
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 09: 19 New
          -31 qualifying.
          Quote: Sirocco
          Kohl, I think you're deeply mistaken,

          Volodya - imagine that we didn’t fit in there .. Now we wouldn’t have that much hemorrhoid and that’s it, and the history wheel would continue to spin quietly, but history has no subjunctive mood, Putin did not calculate the development of situevina to the end and now I’m sure I don’t know how get out without image losses from this ... hi
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 8 February 2016 09: 30 New
            29
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Volodya - imagine that we didn’t fit there ..

            Then in five years, they would knock on our doors. A matter of time, as for me, it’s better to help a neighbor put out a house without waiting for the flame to spread to my territory.
            Well, at the expense of hemorrhoids, they would have found any other reason, because the West does not need a strong and self-sufficient Russia. They need a market and raw materials.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 10: 09 New
              -26 qualifying.
              Quote: Sirocco
              Then in five years, they would knock on our doors. It's a question of time,

              Volodya who would knock? Do you still believe in the canoe - the fight against terrorism away from the borders?
              So far we have: Ruined relations with the Turks, a destroyed airliner over Sinai, a downed bomber, a helicopter and something else that we don’t know ..
              PS Apart from the fact that we are on the verge of a real war and having against ourselves almost the entire civilized world, I am afraid that there will not be enough calibers and rav so beloved patriots for everyone ..
              1. aleks 62 next
                aleks 62 next 8 February 2016 10: 45 New
                18
                ..... having against himself almost the entire civilized world, ...

                .... Civilization is a conditional concept .... It depends on which side to look at this civilization .... ISIS also considers itself civilized (from their point of view and ideology) .... Do you consider the legalization of pederasts and same sex to be a sign of civilization? marriages ???? ..... bully
              2. Sirocco
                Sirocco 8 February 2016 10: 56 New
                27
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                Volodya who would knock? Do you still believe in the canoe - the fight against terrorism away from the borders?

                Actually, this is not a canoe, but the realities of life. I personally had enough of the mid 90's to understand that this is a real threat to the destruction of the Russian Federation. And real assistance and assistance to the terrorists from Turkey, Qatar, and CA. If this is a canoe, then I do not know what to say. They probably gave us pies in the Caucasus?
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                and having against himself almost the entire civilized world,

                An interesting move with a knight, and checkmate board)))))
                Who is the civilized world ??????
                Are those those who destroyed Yugoslavia? These are those who destroyed Iraq and hanged Hussein ?????
                These are those who destroyed Libya and killed Gaddafi,
                These are those who tried to overthrow Assad in Syria? And who is Iran mumbled 30 years ????
                It is those who destroyed Ukraine and destroyed all production and culture?
                These are those who, leaving India, created a hotbed of instability, divided India into two states, creating Pakistan?
                These are those who divided Korea into two hostile states?
                With Ukraine, the same scenario, in Belarus, as well as attempts to raise a riot, as in our Trans-Baikal Territory, NGOs are troubled.
                These are those who hooked us on the industrial-food needle, destroying with our hands the entire industry in the Russian Federation?

                For the further prosperity of the EU and the USA, they need either a sales market or war, the only way to revive their production.
                It’s like in biology, planting a culture of fungus in a Petri dish on fertile soil, so as long as there is food, the culture thrives and multiplies, rushing over the edge, when there is no flavoring, the culture is fading. So it is here.
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 11: 05 New
                  -20 qualifying.
                  Quote: Sirocco
                  An interesting move with a knight, and checkmate board)))))
                  Who is the civilized world ??????

                  Volodya how much pathos - stop watching REN TV)))
                  The whole world just thinks how to enslave Russia .. Why? Our elite, and so all the free money drives to the West, why should they fight for our frosts, or something .. (by the way it was not bad today, even the webast did not include)))
                  1. Sirocco
                    Sirocco 8 February 2016 11: 26 New
                    +7
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    . (by the way, it thawed quite well today, even did not include the webast)))

                    Don’t say, I got up in the morning and did not believe my eyes, I thought the thermometer was lying or I was sleeping laughing Well, do not "say goodbye" to Webasta)))) it is not over yet, about five years ago, after the 20th of February, it was thrown over 40.
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    Volodya how much pathos - stop watching REN TV)))

                    I can’t be led astray.)))) I don’t watch Ren TV. So sometimes. But Kiselvskaya propaganda, obzhazhzhzhzhzhayu. Even his portraits hang, both at home and at work. laughing You can say my idol Kiselev. laughing
                  2. frekenbok
                    frekenbok 8 February 2016 11: 29 New
                    +2
                    please tell me which channel to watch people ????????????????????
                    1. shans2
                      shans2 8 February 2016 12: 16 New
                      +8
                      Rain and Echo of Moscow, only paisas, only hardcore!
              3. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 8 February 2016 11: 28 New
                12
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                I’m afraid that there are not enough calibers and rebars so beloved by patriots at all ..

                Katz offers to surrender.
              4. Evgeny_Lev
                Evgeny_Lev 9 February 2016 14: 23 New
                0
                "Civilized world" is a phrase that has become a dirty word
          2. UZBEK TASHKENT
            UZBEK TASHKENT 8 February 2016 10: 31 New
            24
            If they hadn’t climbed then (although I can argue to User that it was necessary to get into much earlier in the house’s times), now striped in Turkey would have been sitting in Sevastopol. 100500 Crimea would be far from Ukrainian but very Turkish. Judging by the support of the striped Erdogan and his greyhounds, the peninsula was promised to him. Next: remember the story of the Chinese aircraft carrier to support the Russian Air Force? He was deployed in the Celestial Empire and what did they get? - Yuan in reserve currencies of the world, and no one wonders what else the Stripes promised for China for Russia's non-support in Syria? Or maybe some territories? Not talking about Japan - it's already like 2x2.
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 8 February 2016 11: 12 New
            +6
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Putin has not completely calculated the development of situevina, and now I’m sure I don’t know how to get out of this without image losses ...

            Putin personally told you about this?
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 8 February 2016 11: 13 New
              -15 qualifying.
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Putin personally told you about this?

              Is that kind of humor? Go to Petrosyan for courses will be even funnier))))
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 8 February 2016 15: 05 New
                +3
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                Is that kind of humor?

                No, this is a question, judging by the statements you are very informed.
          4. frekenbok
            frekenbok 8 February 2016 11: 26 New
            -3
            Well, if you are sure. still surely don’t know how to get out
      2. frekenbok
        frekenbok 8 February 2016 11: 22 New
        +3
        really think that there only Turkoman will change clothes ?????? and now there are no disguised ones ??? yes from all sides .. mdaa.
      3. Idiot
        Idiot 8 February 2016 16: 11 New
        0
        For afdjhbn67: You are like a smart janitor, poorly versed in the class structure of society.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 8 February 2016 08: 20 New
      16
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Well, I don’t believe in Turkey, as an independent player,

      This whole coalition reminds me of a criminal gang that terrorizes a neighborhood in which the main forces are around the corner in a dark place, and Turkey is such a bad guy - six who are assigned the role of a bully to ask for a smoke, in case of refusal of a cigarette, it is her responsibility to offer the victim move around the corner to talk.
      Nothing new, just like in life.
      Well, whether there will be an invasion or not, let's see who has "Faberge" and who has nerves of steel. I hope that in spite of the layout of the Fashington hotel, common sense will not leave the Turkish authorities, although, as history teaches, Turkey (common mind) is not held in high esteem. But hysteria is yes, they can,
  • parusnik
    parusnik 8 February 2016 07: 30 New
    18
    Turks plan to invade Syria... This is not the Turks, the United States conceived .. the Turks are just a puppet, Uncle Sam pulls the strings ...
    1. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 8 February 2016 08: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      Turks plan to invade Syria

      Turks, Saudis, Bahrain (USA) - "rushing" to Syria - we can then use this as a precedent and send troops TO Donbass ???
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 09: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      This is not the Turks, the United States conceived .. the Turks are just a puppet, Uncle Sam pulls the strings ...
      Uncle Sam also supports the Kurds in the open - and the Turks really do not like this, so everything is confused there
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 February 2016 10: 23 New
      0
      The Turks are already on their own, and they made it clear to the United States that they will not play under their tune.
    4. max702
      max702 8 February 2016 19: 27 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      the Turks planned to invade Syria ... These are not the Turks, the USA planned .. the Turks are just a puppet, Uncle Sam pulls the strings ...

      Actually, the WHOLE Western world is a puppet of the USA, and the top of this hegemon consists of the sons of the land of Israel ..
  • 31rus
    31rus 8 February 2016 07: 32 New
    14
    Dear ones, the war is on, the facts of the participation of Turkish officers in the battles in the north of Aleppo have already been voiced, shelling of the territory of Syria is already underway, there are already territories that the Turks have captured and it will be very difficult to resolve these issues peacefully, despite the fact that there is not any attempt at dialogue at all, Turkey and Russia are waiting for the Turks to strike the moment, we are waiting for the Turks to respond when it goes into open war, probably when Erdogan realizes that time for reflection and preparation is playing against him, there is still a chance for the USA to mediate between Russia and Turkey, but whether it would be, the question is very controversial, Erdogan would have been glad about this, but the United States quickly distanced himself, and as you can see, Lavrov is not particularly eager to raise this issue with Kerry, thereby showing the place of Turkey, but at the last moment the tube is all still removed and there will be no war
    1. udincev
      udincev 8 February 2016 07: 49 New
      0
      Quote: 31rus
      but at the last moment the tube will still be removed and there will be no war

      I want to believe...
      But, infinitely it is impossible to escalate (USA). Everything is on the edge again ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 February 2016 07: 54 New
      14
      Quote: 31rus
      but at the last moment the tube will still be removed and there will be no war

      Turkey will dump from Syria, will cease to support terrorists and so on? Diplomats will not stop this warrior, she is already on the move and all sides have swollen a bunch of resources in her support.
      Yes, and the Saudis, Qatar and someone else there are gathering a flock to go to Syria. And they certainly do not go there for ISIS warriors.
      1. 31rus
        31rus 8 February 2016 08: 20 New
        +2
        Dear Alexander, all of the countries you have listed are independent only within their palaces and apartments, that’s exactly what the United States and Russia do not advertise at the current moment, a temporary alliance, everything and everything will fall into place immediately, there will be obstinate, so their time will be healed in days
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 February 2016 08: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: 31rus
          , this is exactly what the U.S. and Russia are interested in at this stage are not advertised temporary union

          What is the union? against who? We are for Assda, and this whole bed is against. They want to overthrow him, but we do not give. What is the benefit of the United States, they have raised billions to overthrow Assad. Turkey and the Saudis are allies of the United States and receive all support from them.
          And our main enemy is the United States.
          Therefore do not fantasize.
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 8 February 2016 08: 57 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            . What is the benefit of the United States, they swelled billions to overthrow Assad.

            At the expense of the United States, there is a benefit, like the EU. In the event of the overthrow of Assad, CA, Qatar and Co. extend the oil and gas pipeline to the EU, in the end, what do we have? Nothing good, here’s another sanction in five years. The EU is completely non-volatile from the Russian Federation, and conditions dictate to us, but the United States, as hyenas, waits on the sidelines, and waits until the wounded bear falls, so that it can be torn apart.
            Something like that, I think.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 February 2016 11: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Sirocco
              . In the event of the overthrow of Assad, CA, Qatar and Co. stretch oil and gas pipeline in the EU

              Listen, what is the stump gas pipeline ??? Who ever told you that someone was going to build it, when?
              Forget about the gas pipeline. Forget !!!
          2. 31rus
            31rus 8 February 2016 09: 34 New
            +1
            Dear, do not forget how Turkey played into a superpower, how the Saudis imagined themselves to be the center of politics and money, and these "ascended" and will be treated for "stardom", but at the same time, the United States and Russia will adhere to their line and policy, including the whole focus is now beneficial to us and the United States, everything else remains unchanged, the region and devices are complex, but there are goals that are beneficial to both the United States and us, albeit temporarily
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco 8 February 2016 08: 30 New
      +7
      Quote: 31rus
      but at the last moment the tube will still be removed and there will be no war

      This is about the nuclear scenario.
      Like in the Caribbean crisis, (again, Turkey is there as a badass).
      Well, in the case of Syria, Ukraine, the scenario is a little different, they just need to drag Russia into the war. In the hope that we will swing with simple weapons, we probably forgot about Putin's words, if a fight is inevitable, hit first. I would prefer not to "tease a pack of dogs" with my intentions, or imitation of raising a stone from the road, this will not save you from an attack for long. In this case, it is necessary to make CARDINAL decisions, in the form of firearms, in the case of Turkey, to use TNW at the locations of the Air Force, because without air support, this operation will drown. There is no other way to stop. Well, to voice this intention, to cool the heat
      the owners of these dogs. As much as you can endure, they have already driven us into a corner, then worse.
      Something like this.
    4. UZBEK TASHKENT
      UZBEK TASHKENT 8 February 2016 10: 37 New
      +5
      Very much even will be! The tube will begin to be used when 2/3 of the war has passed. Moreover, it is already underway. It's time for VVP to remember your phrase "if a fight is inevitable, hit first." Not a militarist, but it’s like it's time. Beat the Turks, Saudis and Qatar first. Natki for them will not cut 100500. They also do not need mushrooms over Europe.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 8 February 2016 07: 36 New
    +4
    the Turks with their imperial manners have not seen Mordos for a long time, now all over again ... the instigators are already known
  • udincev
    udincev 8 February 2016 07: 46 New
    +1
    “There is no need to try to solve some kind of rebus. This is an absolutely obvious fact. If you are not allowed to fly there, then there is something to hide. There is something to hide not only from us, there is something to hide from the international community. This once again confirms the concerns that the Russian side has repeatedly voiced about the use of the Turkish-Syrian border in order to support ISIS militants. ”
    Sooo hard to disagree
  • Delink
    Delink 8 February 2016 07: 48 New
    +2
    The prophecies begin to come true!
    But someone does not heed them.
    It remains to observe how this pack has disappeared into the background of history.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 February 2016 07: 55 New
      12
      Quote: Delink
      It remains to observe how this pack has disappeared into the background of history.

      If we survive, then we will observe.
      1. Delink
        Delink 8 February 2016 07: 57 New
        +4
        anything can happen, I agree!
        Bit I'd like!!!
        Or it may be necessary to take part in person, to take part in the destruction of the artificially created state
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  • aba
    aba 8 February 2016 07: 56 New
    0
    Quote: 31rus
    and there will be no war

    With your lips and honey to drink!
  • Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 8 February 2016 08: 00 New
    +2
    The invasion of Turkish troops under Erdogan will take place by 90%. And all this concentration of forces and means on the border is waiting only for the signal "face" from overseas.
    It is interesting, but how do our people think of supplying the group in Syria, if the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles are closed to us, how is the state with which the war is being waged? Also, this is not an unimportant question.
    I support the blows by our videoconferencing system on interiors in Syria, if this happens.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 09: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair0304
      The invasion of Turkish troops under Erdogan will take place by 90%. And all this concentration of forces and means on the border is waiting only for the signal "face" from overseas.

      And he invaded Iraq, too, at the command of the United States? Erdogan, absolutely unpredictable
    2. vostok68
      vostok68 8 February 2016 12: 59 New
      0
      It is necessary to use the "peaceful atom", with the help of this technology it is necessary to expand and deepen the Bosphorus and Dardanelles to the status of seas!
  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 8 February 2016 08: 07 New
    +2
    It is necessary in Armenia to increase our military group, and with offensive weapons. In the event of aggression at our base in Syria, we will give them on the back of their head - to Istanbul itself.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 8 February 2016 09: 46 New
      0
      Only it’s not a fact that the Armenians will want this increase, because the answer will come
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 8 February 2016 10: 07 New
      +1
      Armenians in World War I were on the side of Russia, for which half the nation paid. I don’t think that they need a big war with the Turks; they may not survive in it.
      1. genisis
        genisis 8 February 2016 12: 44 New
        +1
        Here are just the Turks, once again, they will not ask the Armenians.
        If the Turks begin kneading with Russia, Armenia will be under the hand in any way.
        The border with the Turks is guarded by the "Armenia" border department of the RF FSB. There are 102 bases on the territory of Gyumri. Will these units of the Russian Federation take part in a theoretical war with the Turks? If so, then the Turks should definitely attack these units.
        This can be an excellent test of the CSTO system.
        The big question is the position of Azerbaijan. On the one hand, the bir milek eki will do the trick, on the other hand, you will quarrel with Russia, you can cease to exist.
        Thus, although the war with Turkey is unnecessary for the Armenians, as in the First World War, the Armenians will do their job. They simply will have no choice when the Turks begin to fight with Russia on the territory of Armenia. The most offensive, if everything ends, as with Grandfather Lenin and Mustafa Kemal
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 8 February 2016 08: 14 New
    0
    A preemptive massive nuclear strike against Britain would correct the geopolitical situation in the world for the better.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 February 2016 08: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Volzhanin
      A preventive massive nuclear strike against small Britain would correct the geopolitical situation in the world for the better

      And to you in the yard from them, nothing will fly back?
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 8 February 2016 08: 17 New
    10
    The United States knows how to unleash a war, in this they have no equal. Erdogan is put in a hopeless position, except to start hostilities, he can no longer do anything, although maybe he himself does not want to. It is not known how Russia will behave in the person of Putin. In my opinion, if it comes to war, then it should end on the same day it started (give or take a few days). So that Turkey does not even have time to come to its senses, and NATO immediately stepped aside. Any dragging out of the war will play into the hands of the United States.
    1. VeterS
      VeterS 8 February 2016 08: 37 New
      0
      You are right, however, I note that the most favorable moment for a lightning strike is ineptly missed. It was necessary to beat right away as soon as the tragedy happened with our plane, and not to smear snot around the world, as the Kremlin did.
  • Hooks
    Hooks 8 February 2016 08: 20 New
    +6
    "There will be no war, but there will be such a struggle for peace that there will be no stone unturned" (C)
    Erdogan drove himself in such a way that there was nowhere to retreat - either Kurdistan would be on the border, or Turkey controlled and NATO buffer zone with permanent provocations ala LDNR. And then sabotage war and the continuation of chaos. Very much in the hands of Washington.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 8 February 2016 08: 24 New
    +3
    "We are surprised that the talkative representatives of the Pentagon, NATO and the many so-called human rights organizations in Syria, despite our call to respond to these actions, are still silent."


    And here I am ...
    these structures will be harmful to us always and everywhere.
    And you need to talk to them like cheaters in a card game ... a deck of trump cards in a brazen face.
  • hobot
    hobot 8 February 2016 08: 30 New
    +1
    Antlers beat, take on weakly.
    And here, as always - those who have weaker nerves will break loose.
    Then comes a chain reaction and an uncontrollable process.
    Americans pull the strings, and the strings have already rotted.
    One thing pleases - Iran, Israel, Egypt and partially Iraq managed to pull over to their side. Azerbaijan and Armenia will harness from the north.
    And the horses were out of work with their globe.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 8 February 2016 08: 33 New
    0
    Part of our communications, if the database starts, will be blocked (by sea), and air supply will also involve risks. Our group is left with no choice but to be drawn into conflict. One can only guess how long it will last with such logistics support. And this is a big war with the use of all forces and means.
  • Million
    Million 8 February 2016 08: 50 New
    +1
    Conceived, but not Turkey. It is just a screw in the system
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 09: 16 New
      +1
      It seems that they rule the i-diots. In the sense of the system.
  • vitya1945
    vitya1945 8 February 2016 08: 52 New
    +1
    If the Turks send troops to Syria, and they seem to do it already.
    Sees 2 options
    or very tough military response
    or leave Syria (means to lose face)
    A difficult choice to be made.
    1. MMX
      MMX 8 February 2016 11: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: vitya1945
      If the Turks send troops to Syria, and they seem to do it already.
      Sees 2 options
      or very tough military response
      or leave Syria (means to lose face)
      A difficult choice to be made.


      We, as ordinary people, can only guess. We don’t put intelligence on the table and we don’t imagine the balance of power. In my opinion, an invasion of Turkey is unlikely and serious consultations between the countries concerned are apparently underway. However, such actions by Turkey, admittedly, can put an end to our operation in Syria, since the tough answer is a war with one of the NATO members. In my humble opinion, our leadership will not dare to take such a step ...
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 February 2016 08: 53 New
    +2
    Turkey’s ban on Russian observation flights confirms Moscow’s concern about using the Turkish-Syrian border to support the Islamic State,


    We must take mirror measures. Since the NATO troops are taking care of the Turks, to ban all NATO BLOC over Russia. Let them whine and scratch their turnips.
    Over with the Koreans, they played out, and the launch of a rocket in the hand of the merikatos. Now they will build their missile defense in South Korea. Surround us, as in the 18th of the last century.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 8 February 2016 08: 53 New
    0
    But such a war. War of nerves. Or like on a neighboring branch header. Who Faberge stronger.
    Quote: udincev
    But, infinitely it is impossible to escalate (USA). Everything is on the edge again ...
  • User_internet
    User_internet 8 February 2016 08: 54 New
    +4
    I'm certainly not a military analyst, but I will assume that the probability of war is 97%, and to consider that for our troops this will be a walk is a very big mistake. Only nuclear weapons will save from a big slaughter. Lavrov will have to come to Ankara and say to Erdogan: that you left the desert and will return there if at least one Russian soldier dies.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 09: 15 New
      +3
      Why then ride. It's too much. Silence is worse.
  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 8 February 2016 09: 07 New
    0
    What Turkey has in mind is its problems, and how can Russia respond to these (even supposed) ideas?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 February 2016 09: 36 New
      +2
      What?

      In short, the Turks will have a pre-emptive strike at Khmemim and the fleet in the SM - they will be lost without options (Khmemim is shot at by MLRS MLRS and their Turkish Tornadoes, also active-reactive 155mm shells from Korean howitzers, as well as OCR Idirim, the fleet if not manages to go to Egypt or deploy the neutral port together with the diesel-electric submarine and through the external guidance channel with the F-16 Harpoons at the maximum range - especially the Fist with the 1 air defense system on his nose Bending).

      However, the question is what then ... Iskander-M from the Crimea is finishing off to Ankara, K, X and Caliber shoot through Turkey in any projections - the truth can be brought down. Americans on the other hand released thousands of axes in the framework of democratization of different countries, with similar damaging effect and these missiles themselves did not bring victory. That is, other instruments are needed, the bombing is not quick either, did Yugoslavia resist how much? Ground is effective, but this is another option for confrontation, NATO may fit in, as well as nuclear weapons.
      1. -Traveller-
        -Traveller- 8 February 2016 10: 00 New
        +3
        why should the Turks attack hmeimim if they enter Syria? they will not go to war with Russia there. accordingly, why would the Russian VKS start bombing Turkish columns if they do not pose a danger to us (not our interests)? to protect the integrity of the sar, why would it suddenly? we got in there, and everywhere we declare it, to fight international terrorism, and not to support the regime. or then we need to declare our true goals in Syria and automatically lose the status of selfless fighters against terrorism.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 8 February 2016 10: 14 New
          +1
          There are two options:
          1) Preventive strike and blitz on the 3-4 of the day - then a peace treaty under pressure from the UN and NATO. Such an option will give this blitz on the 3-4 of the day.
          2) Enter Syria with a cry - WE ARE FOR EVERYTHING GOOD, AGAINST EVERYONE BAD! With a clear message from the USA and NATO, that if they bomb the Coalition, they will intervene with the troops. But not the fact that it will work. And what if the Syrians bomb them?


          There is a third option:
          3) Two blows of the Kurds + USA + Turks to Mosul and the Arab coalition with the Turks to Raqqa. This will allow us to divide Syria and take away most of its oil from the Rakki and Mukdan fields, as well as Iraq, taking all the northern oil.
          1. -Traveller-
            -Traveller- 8 February 2016 11: 01 New
            0
            if the Syrians will bomb - this is the problem of the Syrians, not Russia, so that Russian-Turkish and further beyond it the third world does not work. even if the Syrians are al-ivans and al-peters. there will be neither calibers, nor even yao, since they can’t be extradited as Syrian.
            Mosul is not a priority right now, everything is fine with the Turks, he’s igil in the city, next to the Turks riding a peshmerga, baghdad chewing snot.
            1. Mikhail Krapivin
              Mikhail Krapivin 8 February 2016 12: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: -Traveller-
              if the Syrians will bomb - this is the problem of the Syrians, not Russia, so that Russian-Turkish and further beyond it the third world does not work. even if the Syrians are al-ivans and al-peters. there will be neither calibers, nor even yao, since they can’t be extradited as Syrian


              I did not understand your deep thought. That is, if the Turks, knocking down our plane, explained that they considered it a Syrian plane, then everything is normal? If, by firing a gun at the Syrian headquarters, they killed our adviser - is that okay? So this is the problem of the Syrians? And I thought that our actions in Syria were precisely due to the fact that we took the problems of the Syrians to heart as our problems and began to help them in solving these problems. But it turns out that it’s necessary to pretend that these are not our problems .. So let’s help Turkey then? Hold Syria while the Turks rape it? And then there will definitely not be a third world war! Although, whom I am deceiving, both I and you perfectly understand that the matter is not in Syria, and not in Turkey, but the matter in Russia, and in the USA. Whether you like it or not, as long as there is Russia and the USA, the threat of a third world war will always be.
              1. -Traveller-
                -Traveller- 8 February 2016 13: 17 New
                -3
                our actions in Syria are caused by ambitions and wrong calculations of one person, the benefit from them is negative - see our economy. I do not consider the humanitarian aspect of the salvation of the Alawites - because they are absolutely no one to us and your heart would not even have skipped a bit if propaganda had not inspired on TV and in the internet.
                I said above that to openly admit as an assad against a coalition of Turks and Arabs (you can’t pass them off as an igil, just like Turkmens) means to disavow your own tales about the fight against terrorism, and not to everyone who is against assad, which deprives us of the false nobility and lowers the level of hezbollah with airplanes.
                1. genisis
                  genisis 8 February 2016 13: 42 New
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                  our actions in Syria are caused by ambitions and wrong calculations of one person

                  You, as I understand it correctly, about Erdogan?
                  the benefit from them is negative - see our economy

                  I wonder what has so fundamentally changed in the Russian economy, after and because of how the Turks shot down our plane?

                  I correctly understood your idea that Russia is more profitable for the Turks and Saudis to tear Syria apart? Explain what then wins the Russian Federation?
                  1. -Traveller-
                    -Traveller- 8 February 2016 17: 07 New
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                    Quote: genisis
                    You, as I understand it correctly, about Erdogan?

                    no, not about Erdogan laughing

                    the plane is an episode, no more, I do not detract from the tragedy of the relatives of the pilots.
                    to infringe our economy began because of Ukraine and Syria. moreover, oil prices became the main blow - this is the Saudi lever and it was applied purely because of our injections into Assad. VKS participation is already our all-in game, when it became clear that the Assad was blown away, it only increased the pressure of the Saudis on the market.
                    Russia was more profitable to bargain with Turks and Arabs in 2014, for the honorable resignation of Assad, it was possible to bargain for investment and lending, etc.
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          2. Dikson
            Dikson 8 February 2016 12: 42 New
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            There is another option .. - the small-shavens began exercises in Jordan (the goal will sound outlandish: protecting Eastern Europe from Russia) Everything would be fine, but here is a fragment of a British officer's comment: "This exercise is not against IS. In any case, we are more likely to be preparing to join US in Ukraine than in Syria. " "This is not the kind of force that needs to be sent to Aleppo to fight a bunch of jihadists," said one army source. That is, all the fuss of the Turks can be a distracting, and not the main blow .. And the main thing will be Ukraine, Donbass and Crimea .. Again, it will turn out nicely, and Turkey with the straits and the fleet is in business, and the states are already in Ukraine ...
            1. -Traveller-
              -Traveller- 8 February 2016 13: 18 New
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              there are a lot of options, let's see what will actually happen
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  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 8 February 2016 09: 13 New
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    Arabs really do not like Turks, so they will seriously fight the Ottomans.
    The Turks will fall into complete isolation, and the Syrians will give them Khalkhin Gol. With our help.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 February 2016 09: 29 New
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      Arabs in the person of the Saudis, the UAE (the best of all Arabs for equipment and the army) and Bahrain have already declared their participation in the invasion of Syria.

      If they soberly assess their strength and share their participation, then a really serious opponent will come out.

      Again, an elementary example:
      The Turks do not have attack helicopters (Cobra is not serious) - the KSA Apache Longbow has a car, if you drive the 2 wings to Turkey (24 cars), then there will be any unforeseen circumstances at home and at Husitov.

      It is quite difficult for the Turks with the SAM - the 2-3 batteries of the PAK-3 from KSA are easy to transfer, this is not NATO, and in the Saudi it will remain decent PAK-3 to protect the kingdom.

      The Turks may have strained with gaining dominance in the air - F-15 of fresh modifications + Typhoons from the Kingdom.

      The Turks will have problems with covering bases and troops from the Kyrgyz Republic and on marches - Shell-S1 from the UAE.

      That is, if they share Erdogan’s main plow principle, KSA helps the best aircraft and air defense systems, the UAE helps SPN and 1 BTG detachments at Leclerki and BMP-3. This will seriously strengthen Erdogan in the military and political sphere (since it’s not only the crazy sultan who got into an adventure, but the whole COALITION, which Sudan will most likely connect to, maybe they will buy Tunisia, Pakistan and Egypt are breaking down for now).
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 8 February 2016 09: 15 New
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    Fushington is trying hard to knit Russia into the war, failed on the outskirts as much as jackals from a suspender in Syria, pushing us against the Turks who do not even understand the consequences of their actions in relation to them specifically, well, and Fushington will always merge them and will go aside giving concern.
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 8 February 2016 09: 18 New
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    well, the Turks will enter Syria, they will find an excuse. officially go in to fight terrorists - igil, rpk and - this will be the number - hezbollah. will enter not alone, but as part of a coalition (KSA, UAE, etc.). when they enter, they will say that, they say, they are not going to fight with Assad, the official Syrian opposition, the Russian VKS and the Iranian, and finally - it will be fun, but I would have done so - they will offer the above to join their coalition. and the Syrian opposition, "thinking", agrees. go, urinate the Kurds, repaint the igil in the ssa. and in the "liberated" territories they immediately put up tents and place refugees
    and where is the reason for the third world, for the use of nuclear weapons?
  • Bredovich705
    Bredovich705 8 February 2016 09: 36 New
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    We live in a warring country! It is certainly possible to guess how it will develop further, but we must say for sure to ourselves - our cause is just! It will be difficult and the belts will have to be tightened, whatever happens! And to think, naturally I want about the good! Wait and see!
  • hartlend
    hartlend 8 February 2016 09: 43 New
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    Rotten news.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 February 2016 09: 49 New
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    It is impossible to harness a horse and a quivering doe into one cart - it is absolutely impossible to imagine that the Saudis and Turks will fight seriously on ONE side. As much as they hate Assad, fighting is a completely different matter. This is a lot of blood - and a lot of consequences. And the fact that the logistics of our grouping in Syria will be disrupted is yes, although they will be supplied by sea from the Baltic, the "shoulder" will be large. And it seems to me that time is working for us now. The Syrian army is slowly but surely "wringing out" the Barmaley, and there is less and less time before they leave for the territory of neighboring Iraq. From there, let the Turks invade. And we'll take a look at this.
  • Bolhevik
    Bolhevik 8 February 2016 09: 59 New
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    The Turks have long been in Syria and judging by the behavior of their diplomats and the media, it's time to send their ambassador to their homeland.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 8 February 2016 11: 19 New
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      lying once ...
      Why spread this nonsense? there is not a word about igil.
      the picture is not a soldier, but a gendarme.
      an inscription on the board, something like a gendarmerie sat at a desk, literally the gendarmerie came to sur (district of diyarbakir) for training. (the similarity of the words “sur” and “school desk” is played out). topic: humility.
      1. Bolhevik
        Bolhevik 8 February 2016 11: 51 New
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        Well, the author of the post on Twitter is indicated under the photo - explain to them once you understand the translation. Thank you for the clarification.
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 8 February 2016 12: 02 New
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          not registered on twitter.
          if you decide to repost something, it’s not so difficult to translate, the 21st century in the yard - Google, etc. give such an opportunity
  • Achilles
    Achilles 8 February 2016 10: 41 New
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    Turkey and Saudi Arabia will most likely cross the border, this is their only chance to save the terrorist opposition, especially for Turkey, which pumps oil almost without pay, if they don’t, the whole so-called opposition (terrorist) wakes up sooner or later, they understand that, that's why they are like flies on glass
  • triglav
    triglav 8 February 2016 11: 04 New
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    Our Turks need to warn that in case of violation of the border of the SAR, the targets will be destroyed by the forces of the Syrian army.
  • Novosib
    Novosib 8 February 2016 11: 08 New
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    Turks burn out quickly in conflicts, feel confident only in a pack, they will spoil, of course, but they will not risk fighting openly with Russia.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 8 February 2016 11: 13 New
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    And, as confirmation of all this, today's teachings in the South-East Military District ... Everyone is waiting for the go-ahead ... ((((
  • koshmarik
    koshmarik 8 February 2016 11: 42 New
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    The Turks are making grandiose plans - to restore the Ottoman Empire, which is deadly for Europe, which is why the West will not support the implementation of this crazy idea, which hurts a person’s head - a big war, therefore, is unlikely. Local skirmishes are resolved, especially Turkey will be forced to act as an aggressor. And further. Saakashvili tried to start a small victorious war - he received a solid blow to the infrastructure and almost lost Tbilisi. I think Erdogan is in the know.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 8 February 2016 13: 05 New
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      you think in some strange categories - the Ottoman Empire, deadly for Europe, sore on the head ...
      Erdogan and Davutoglu are very reasonable and prudent characters, successes in the economy during the period of crazy prices for imported hydrocarbons, prove that they are also merchants.
      they are not building any plans to conquer Europe. They identified promising regions of influence - these are the balkans, Transcaucasia, and Western Asia. Well, we still threw Ukraine to them, until they seriously took up it, because she was not in the plans.
      all these regions did not have, have lost or are losing any industrial potential, for Turkey they are becoming a market, this is what Turkey is striving for.
      Moreover, I think I will not be mistaken if I say that Europe is tired of both the balkans and the Middle East and their eternal mess, and giving them back to the Turks for Europe will not be so bad - a woman with a cart ...
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 8 February 2016 11: 56 New
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    Kemalist Turkey, from its creation, has always claimed to be a “great” state. Well, let them try with RUSSIA ... soldier
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 8 February 2016 12: 52 New
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      Meanwhile, interesting information came from our country from Kadyrov who visited the anti-terror center in Chechnya -
      Russian special forces are taking part in ground operations and unfortunately there are losses among them.
      Here is his interview.
      Kadyrov: Wahhabis train NATO instructors
      Special Forces Center near Tsentaroy. In Chechnya, it was here that the fighters who now operate in Syria in the rear of ISIS were trained. It's time to talk about those who ensure the success of Russian aviation on earth at the cost of their own lives. So far no names - everything is classified.
      “We, unfortunately, have losses. They are in order to live peacefully in the future on the territory of the Chechen Republic,” said the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov.
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2717579
      Video.

      In the video frames, we see commandos in three color uniforms - green, light gray and black. Light gray for example are very similar to these.

      Although of course it is not clear who they really are. Whether Syrians / Iranians / Iraqis / Hezbollah are being prepared in our territory or are they our specialists for subsequent shipment to Syria.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 February 2016 14: 44 New
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      Just Kemalist Turkey claimed the maximum status of a state of regional importance. Provided non-interference of foreign actors in her affairs. During the reign of the Kemalists, the attitude towards the Ottoman Empire was negative, it was compared with Nazi Germany and the Stalinist USSR. They emphasized that it was the Turkish people who suffered the most. Erdogan has gone very far from the ideas of the Kemalists. The modern heirs of Ataturk's ideas are in opposition to Erdogan.
      1. genisis
        genisis 8 February 2016 15: 01 New
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        Sending the first Soviet ambassador S. Aralov to Ankara, Lenin said in particular: “Of course, Mustafa Kemal Pasha is not a socialist, but, apparently, a good organizer, a talented commander, is leading a bourgeois-national revolution, a progressively-minded person, a smart state figure. He understood the significance of our socialist revolution and is positive about Soviet Russia. ... It is necessary to help him, that is, to help the Turkish people. Here is your job. Respect the Turkish government, people, do not boast. Do not interfere in their affairs. England set the Greeks on them ... You have a serious job ahead. Comrade Frunze will leave the other day for Ankara from the Ukrainian Republic. Apparently, you will meet him in Turkey. - We can help financially Turkey, although we ourselves are poor. ... The Turkish people will feel that they are not alone ... ”(excerpt from an article by historian Vasily Chenkelidis) (http://www.pontos-news.gr/ru/article/143454/pontiyskie-greki-v-vospominaniyah -p
        ervogo-sovetskogo-posla-v-turcii).

        So, so that the Turkish people have already destroyed the Armenians in Asia Minor and Western Armenia, would not be alone in the destruction of the Greeks ...
        This was understood by the Greeks.
        M. Frunze, in his book “Memoirs from Turkey,” writes that when he saw a group of prisoners, exhausted Greeks, one of the prisoners shouted at the Soviet representatives that it was their fault (in the defeat of the Greeks - S.S.), because they intensified Kemal and the Turks (http://www.onalert.gr/stories/genoktonia-pontion-nekroi-imera-mnimis/25219). Frunze recalls the atrocities of the Turks: “in the city of Havza, the Turks burned, tormented, killed all Greeks and Armenians, everywhere there were traces of destruction. The road from the city of Kawak to the Hajilar passage will forever remain in my memory ... For 30 kilometers we only met corpses ”(ibid.).

        Frunze told the Soviet ambassador to Ankara Aralov about the atrocities of the Turks, about the "barbarously murdered Greeks - old people, children, women". Aralov talked with Kemal on this subject. Here is what Aralov says: “I told him (Kemal) about the terrible massacres of the Greeks that Frunze saw and later I myself. Bearing in mind Lenin’s advice not to offend Turkish national pride, I carefully chose the words. ” Kemal replied: “I know about these barbarities. I am against barbarism. I ordered the Greek prisoners to be treated well ... Our people must understand. He is furious. Who should be blamed for this. Those who want to create a "Pontic state" in Turkey ... "

        Must understand our people. He is furious


        From this phrase of Kemal it follows that whoever rules Turkey, a Turk will always remain a Turk. "Turkish pride" can be offended if you say that they brutally kill old people, women and children ?! As they say, you can't figure it out on purpose.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 8 February 2016 12: 42 New
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    Quote: VeterS
    In my opinion, if it comes to war, then it should end on the same day it began (plus or minus a few days). So that Turkey does not even have time to come to its senses, and NATO immediately stepped aside. Any dragging out of the war will play into the hands of the United States.


    Tell me how it is possible to do it technically - I'll put you ten pluses.
  • iouris
    iouris 8 February 2016 13: 13 New
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    The sea worries once, the sea worries two ...
    How many such articles have already been published. Everything has long been clear.
    Only this front is not the main one.
  • User_internet
    User_internet 8 February 2016 14: 06 New
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    Clarify the people: our aircraft are constantly bombing convoys of cars with oil, and it’s not easier to bomb the oil rigs. I will assume no more than a hundred of these towers throughout Syria. Bombing the drill and in manual mode the same KAMAZ will be pumped for a week. Or they have oil there as water in wells at a depth of 10m or less.
    1. Valera999
      Valera999 8 February 2016 16: 31 New
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      So, then towers will be needed, because this is the wealth of Syria.
  • User_internet
    User_internet 8 February 2016 17: 00 New
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    Quote: Valera999
    So, then towers will be needed, because this is the wealth of Syria.

    all the same, the Basmachi will undermine them when leaving, what should they be protected.
  • oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 8 February 2016 17: 10 New
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    Many opinions. But we are all moving away from the main point. All instability is conceived and implemented by mattresses, and the issue must be resolved with them as a bandit. Otherwise, we will be in conflict all the time, they will suck us out and will be with Russia as if we were tagged with EBN, and we have enough such personnel. Take away the provocateur (instigator) and you become adequate capable of dialogue.
  • Idiot
    Idiot 8 February 2016 17: 54 New
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    I read the comments and wonder. All such marshals, generals, serious questions are discussed, you put all sorts of pluses to each other, minus ... Information for reflection: The Supreme Law of Higher World Geopolitics and Politics: "Without any connection with the goals and reasons for its approval, but in direct dependence on methods of obtaining it, the monopoly of the communication route, without any alternative, forces the former to automatically establish its own monopoly of settlement in the area of ​​action of the former, and, moreover, by precisely the methods by which it was established.However, in direct dependence on the goals of the reasons and methods of its approval, the monopoly of settlement of such and without any alternative it forces the former to automatically establish its monopoly of the communication route in the area of ​​action of the former, and precisely by the methods by which it was established, but subject to the guarantee of the absolute inviolability of its existence henceforth "Amen! That's why we're in Syria, that's why the US has 1500 bases around the world. Communication routes are: sea, rail, orbital, information, PIPELINE ...
  • red_october
    red_october 8 February 2016 18: 25 New
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    Quote: Talgat
    2) The Black Sea Fleet is weaker than the Turkish fleet - yes it is - but in case of conflict the Turkish fleet in the World Cup will be destroyed immediately and will not be able to realize the advantage. Russia will transfer aviation from other directions + there are coastal complexes


    Support!
    Despite the quantitative superiority of the Turkish fleet, the Black Sea Fleet is qualitatively superior to it. Due to the presence of only 1 RK pr.1164 with 16 Vulcan anti-ship missiles, which are 5 times the long-range Harpoon anti-ship missile system (8 Turkish Meco-class frigates, 7 Perry-class frigates and 6 D'Estienne D'Orves frigates) ... There is no air defense of all these Turkish frigates, this is not Aegis on American cruisers and destroyers, where you can still debate.
    This is the case when one salvo of the cruiser "Moskva" / "Varyag" in one salvo is guaranteed to drown almost the entire Turkish fleet. The main thing is to competently organize the submarine defense for the flagship. Since Turkish submarines can be a headache for us in the eastern Mediterranean.
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  • Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 8 February 2016 20: 04 New
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    Quote: Gogia
    Comrade, Lesnoy! I agree with you in many ways! But Tatarstan supports itself, not Turkey !!! Don't speak for us. And so I agree, even though some idiots and minus you. The most difficult thing is that they can simply throw a wave of 40-50 aircraft over all our air defense with HARMs, and ships with 50-60 harpoons - the distances there are very small ... What to do then? At the same time, NATO will support them with the words: "according to our control, the Russians attacked the naval base near Marmaris on C300 missiles." And that's all ...
    It is necessary to quietly taxi out, twist their hands and fabers, but not sharply climb into the fray ...

    I'm afraid he’s a half-wit and an alarmist. In the event of a war with Turkey, Russia will deliver an ultimatum to Georgia: either the free passage of the Russian army through the territory of Georgia, or the change of the government of Georgia, but by force. No one at that time will be almond.
  • Finntroll
    Finntroll 8 February 2016 22: 11 New
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    Hmm .... Why not arrange a universal scale trolling? Indeed, according to anyone, our top military leadership has the means to control and record the movement of the Turkish armed forces along the border of the SAR. Why not just merge information about these movements into absolutely any media that will give this information a go, so to speak, to tear down the cover of secrecy, make a fuss and regularly throw it on the fan? Let Vesuvius wake up near Erdogan and Co. in the area half a meter below the scapula laughing
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 9 February 2016 00: 12 New
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    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    I am not a great strategist, but I think we have something to answer to Turkish aggression, otherwise no one would get involved in such an adventure, I do not believe in stupid generals!

    There is certainly something to answer. At least from the Turkish bases with a serious slaughter, a wet place will remain. No 200 f16 will help them because the air defense of the Black Sea and the whole of Turkey are shot through with the same caliber. But what will happen to our Syrian base is a big question. If Turkey has MLRS, IMHO everything can be very sad. Yes, and our ships are also actually on sight ...
  • cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 9 February 2016 00: 14 New
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    If the Turks are hiding something, then there is something to hide, but this is ridiculous. It can all be detected from satellites, it’s easy with our capabilities. Well, if Erdogan’s tower was completely demolished and he decided to invade, then I think this will be his last mistake in life that will cost the whole of Turkey. It is unlikely that NATO partners will harness for this madman and fight with Russia.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 9 February 2016 06: 43 New
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    Quote: cat hippo
    . It is unlikely that NATO partners will harness for this madman and fight with Russia.

    They will not, and for the United States, a war of Turks with Russia is an undesirable option, because the whole world will see how NATO will not defend its ally. Someone thinks that for the sake of the Turks, the United States is ready to start a war and endanger the destruction of developed infrastructure and its inhabitants cities, he is mistaken. As long as the United States does not have an effective missile defense, they will only spray shit out of their mouths and spoil Russia slowly with the wrong hands with the help of underdeveloped Ukrainians and the like. I strongly doubt that the NATO members from Europe represented by Germany, France, and so on then they threw their armies into Russia, firstly the main enemy there is not Russians, but a visiting rabble, secondly their armies are cowardly. They used to slaughter little Serbia all over Europe with the USA for a month, but the Serb army even after the traitors and Yeltsin persuaded Milosevic to surrender remained combat ready.