In the IC of the Russian Federation created a court officer's honor

In the Investigation Committee of the Russian Federation appeared the officer’s honor court, reports TASS message of the representative of the department Vladimir Markin.

“The court was formed by order of the head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastrykin in order to strengthen moral and ethical traditions, as well as to strengthen professional discipline, ensure compliance with the standards of professional ethics, prevent and resolve interpersonal conflicts in daily activities,” said Markin.

The court, which will become an elected deliberative body, “will include well-deserved and highly professional managers and employees of the central office of the Investigative Committee, distinguished by a high level of personal discipline, having an impeccable reputation, trusted by the team and veterans of the investigating authorities,” explained the representative departments.

“A number of important tasks are put before the officer’s honor court, including the prevention of violations by the heads and staff of the Investigative Committee of professional ethics and official conduct, ensuring compliance by the Code of Ethics and official conduct of federal civil servants of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, identifying conflicts, can cause harm to the legitimate interests of citizens, organizations, society, discredit the activities of the investigative to miteta, as well as assistance in their settlement and others ", - he said.

According to the results of consideration of the questions, “the court of honor can either warn about responsibility, or petition the chairman of the Investigative Committee to hold the employee accountable.”

In addition, the court decision "will be taken into account by the head of this employee in the preparation of characterization and certification documents, as well as in the enrollment of an employee in the personnel reserve for the nomination or appointment of him to a leadership position in the subdivision of the central office, the investigating authorities and organizations of the IC."

Similar courts will be created also in the regional offices of the UK.

Comments

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Reminds of an old Soviet joke about the court of officer's honor. "Well, drink a liter, well, two, well, three! But why get drunk like a pig ?!"

[neri73-r]

Markov A. (head of the Investigative Committee of the Investigative Committee for M / O) from the Moscow Region when they will drag him to him, at least for a row at the Expedition restaurant?

[222222]

Mikhail Krapivin (2) RU Today, 14:04 New
Reminds of an old Soviet joke about the court of officer's honor. "Well, drink a liter, well, two, well, three! But why get drunk like a pig ?!"
This is NOT a joke .. Soviet Odessa Military District ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 222222

This is NOT a joke .. Soviet Odessa Military District ..

Odessa nervously smokes on the sidelines in comparison with the officers of the All-Russian Military District of Togliatti! Our part of the WZO was popularly called the "Wild Division". Everyone drank there. They say it was even worse in the village of Zubchaninovka near Samara - a gypsy ghetto around the unit.

[70BSN]

An anecdote is not an anecdote, but the fact that the SEAGUE and my sons stir up it. Yes. Prosecutor's Office

There will also be strange actions during work.

[Shadowcat]

Gene Rulit.
P.S. 18+ how to set

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

"Well, drink a liter, well, two, well, three!

- I pray to God that Sergey Kuzhugetovich establish in the army a REAL Court of Officer Honor!

[almost demobil]

Quote: oldseaman1957

I pray to God that Sergey Kuzhugetovich will establish a REAL Court of Officer Honor in the army!

Do not bother, Sergei Kuzhugetovich did not pass the school of becoming an officer, I am not familiar with the traditions of the officer corps. Responsible for the establishment of such a court, I propose Shamanov.

[sever.56]

The best solution for such courts would be to issue a pistol with one cartridge, and not read notations in the style: - "Vasya - you're wrong" ... !!!

[olegkrava]

Many have forgotten what officer honor is, a pistol is for an officer, and for ushlepok from officers, they are batogi and with all honest people. But their conscience and honor will never wake up.

[Bath]

Sledakov honor)))

[Pig]

"" the trackers have the honor))) ""
or operas with district police officers;)

[derik1970]

I am also shocked about the scouts and their honor

[Luga]

Quote: Bath

Sledakov honor)))

Quote: Pig

"" the trackers have the honor))) ""
or operas with district police officers;)

Quote: derik1970

I am also shocked about the scouts and their honor

To each minus personally from me. I would like to put in two.

I will not explain about the work of the investigator, the opera, and even more so about the work of the district police officer. I will only say that among those, others and still others, there are enough people who are familiar with the concept of "honor" much closer than some "writers" of the ironic style.

Think better of your own honor - how is she, is everything all right with her?

[commander 64]

Surprisingly, in any non-guard triple damned rusted regiment, the court of officer honor was always there! But SK somehow did without it ... Probably, people with warm hearts and clean hands did not need one by definition. Immaculate, they are charged 100%, unlike us scoundrels, who, in truth, did not deserve 54%! But this is already a flaw in the government.

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

So they became officers recently, and before that, like everyone else in the prosecutor's office, they wore only "class ranks"!

[222222]

"" While we are burning with freedom,
While hearts for honor are alive,
My friend, dedicate to the fatherland
Souls are wonderful impulses!
Comrade, believe: she will rise,
Captivating Star of Happiness,
Russia will wake up from a dream,
20 And ​​on the ruins of autocracy
They will write our names! ""
(A. S Pushkin
TO CHADAYEV. ) 1818?

[allllll]

In the UK, you can give out a cartridge by default without any vessels, with them everything is clear.

[Damask]

I completely agree, better with two

[oborzevatel]

And why is this news on "Voennoye Obozreniye"?
Well, if so, then the question is:

The court, which will become an elected deliberative body, “will include well-deserved and highly professional managers and employees of the central office of the Investigative Committee, distinguished by a high level of personal discipline, having an impeccable reputation, trusted by the team and veterans of the investigating authorities,” explained the representative departments.

Quis custodiaet ipsos custodes?
(Who will guard the watchmen themselves?)
Allegorically: who will control those who undertake to restore order, correct the situation, etc.?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: oborzevatel

who will control those who undertake to restore order, correct the state of affairs, etc.

CC.

[oborzevatel]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: oborzevatel

who will control those who undertake to restore order, correct the state of affairs, etc.

CC.

... selectively.
One - to the fullest, for small things ...
Others, for larger volumes - will simply be scolded and reprimanded ...

[Old old]

Vladimir (1) RU Today, 14:08 ↑

Quote: oborzevatel
who will control those who undertake to restore order, correct the state of affairs, etc.

UK. yes

It is doubtful. The RF IC and its composition are inviolable, as are the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

[Military Builder]

Would create a better court of bureaucratic and deputy honor

[Baikal]

In this case, the Lynch court will be much more in demand.
I personally would have forgotten to grease the rope with Chubais, Gorbachev, Navalny and others.

[kepmor]

It is impossible to create a "court of bureaucratic and deputy honor" due to one circumstance - the absence of HONOR as such among these scoundrels!
As the saying goes - "no and no trial"!

[Mihalich17]

The most powerful lever for educational and preventive work with personnel! It seems to me that this initiative will be in demand in other structures.
At least it should be in demand!

[Same lech]

The most powerful lever for educational and preventive work with personnel! It seems to me that this initiative will be in demand in other structures.
At least it should be in demand!

It sounds beautiful ... but there must be appropriate people (class, layer, caste ... whatever you want) to organize such work.
But we still live in RUSSIA where from any such undertaking they can make a complete swamp ... we will wait and see.

[oborzevatel]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

there must be appropriate people to organize such work

So I say:

Quis custodiaet ipsos custodes?
(Who will guard the watchmen themselves?)
Allegorically: who will control those who undertake to restore order, correct the situation, etc.?

[ava09]

There will be a "court of officer's honor" now, but will the officer's honor itself appear?

[Fat]

Quote: ava09

There will be a "court of officer's honor" now, but will the officer's honor itself appear?

I would like to hope that those who had the honor, it has not gone anywhere. It is a pity that a certain part of the investigators "sometimes" forget that they are officers

[lysyj bob]

Quote: ava09

and whether the Officer Honor itself will appear

And she did not disappear. For many people in uniform, these are not empty words. I will not be cunning, there are many careerists in the army who love themselves in the service, and for the sake of another star or an extra ruble they will betray everything and everyone, there are simply mediocrities who make a career with connections and cronyism. But there are real officers who honor their service in themselves, professionals who do not go up "over corpses". They, as a rule, do not reach the highest ranks, because they do not see honor in this, and some do not have time. If you had to serve in the 90s, you would understand me correctly. In the Russian army there was a written Code of Officer Honor ... Unfortunately, there is no such thing in our time. Now these are unwritten rules that are transmitted from teachers to cadets, from commanders to subordinates, both in words and by example. Someone absorbs them into the blood, while others let them pass by.
And such a court is needed. Then there will be less random people in the army. The main thing is that they would not turn a good idea into an absurdity.

[WUA 518]

Quote: lysyj bob

.In the Russian army there was a written Code of Officer Honor

1. Do not promise if you are not sure that you will fulfill the promise.
2. Keep yourself simple, with dignity, without fatigue.
3. It is necessary to remember that border where politeness full of dignity ends and cringing begins.
4. Do not write rash letters and reports rashly.
5. Less frankly - you will regret. Remember: my tongue is my enemy.
6. Do not cut it - you can’t prove daring, but you’ll compromise yourself.
7. Do not rush to get on a short foot with a person whom you have not recognized enough.
8. Avoid cash accounts with friends. Money always spoils relationships.
9. Do not take offensive remarks, witticisms, ridicule spoken at your own expense. What often happens on the streets and in public places.
10. If you can’t say anything good about someone, then refrain from saying bad things ...
11. Do not neglect anyone's advice - listen. The right, whether to follow it or not, remains with you.
12. The officer’s strength is not in impulses, but in indestructible calm.
13. Take care of the reputation of the woman who trusted you, no matter who she is.
14. There are situations in life when you need to silence your heart and live with reason.
15. The secret you have communicated to at least one person ceases to be a secret.
16. Always be on the lookout and don't dissolve.
17. At public masquerades, officers are not allowed to dance.
18. Try to keep your words soft in the argument, and your arguments firm.
19. When speaking, avoid gestures and do not raise your voice.
20. If you enter a society in the midst of which there is a person with whom you are in a quarrel, then greeting everyone, it is customary to give a hand and to him, of course, if this cannot be avoided without paying attention to those present or to the owners. Giving a hand does not give rise to excessive talk, but does not oblige you to anything.
21. Nothing teaches so much as awareness of one’s mistake. This is one of the main means of self-education.
22. When two people quarrel, both are always to blame.
23. Authority is acquired by knowledge of business and service. It is important that subordinates are not afraid of you, but respect.
24. There is nothing worse than indecision. Better a worse decision than hesitation or inaction.
25. The one who fears nothing is more powerful than the one whom everyone fears.
26. Soul - to God, heart - to a woman, duty - to the Fatherland, honor - to no one!

[saygon66]

- In the Russian Imperial Army, it was also not customary to give a hand to officers of the Gendarme Corps and police officers ...

[WUA 518]

Quote: saygon66

It was also not customary in the Russian Imperial Army to give a hand to officers of the Gendarme Corps

Not surprisingly, given that the gendarmerie was staffed by natives of the army. Among the officers, these were called opportunists, people who preferred the stern and difficult service in the army to the easier and monetary service in the gendarmerie.

[avva2012]

Quote: saygon66 In the Russian Imperial Army, it was also not customary to give a hand to officers of the Gendarme Corps and police officers ...

And where is the Russian Imperial Army now?
Maybe you think that the people who guard the Law do not deserve respect?
Well, well, there was already one Civil War. Looking forward to the next one?

[saygon66]

- I don’t comment ... But there was such a tradition. And Civil ... Our society is now class ... And as you know, "the bourgeoisie gives birth to their gravediggers" And proletarians - the further, the more ...

[avva2012]

Quote: lysyj bob RU And such a court is needed. Then there will be less random people in the army. The main thing is that they would not turn a good idea into an absurdity.

What you wrote in the commentary is suitable for people of any profession that is related to communication, with other people. And, "Court of Honor", I don't know how where, but in medicine there are "ethical commissions". So what? Another opportunity for the bosses to bend the unwanted. They complain about all doctors, this is the profession. So, find a reason, no problem. I do not know if this is related, but recently (the number of individuals has drastically decreased), the ethical commission is sitting without work. Are the best left?

[ava09]

Quote: lysyj bob

And she didn’t disappear

Don't tell me about honor. In the army, she slept for many years, while honest officers had to whom to fight, who to unload the carriages for the survival of their families and humiliate themselves in front of all sorts of huckster - "employers". At this time, many "high-ranking" and crooks plundered and sold that honor, that property and equipment, that subordinates, that the Motherland, they are all one. I generally keep quiet about the "gendarmerie" - how many "old school" specialists were thrown out "on the street," how many "law enforcement officers" live in palaces - cottages, for which their entire salary for several lives is not enough? All these years, the "democrats" and "liberals" have made office clerks out of officers, and have ruined their fate as honest. It was politics. In my commentary, I touched on this issue, and not individual officers who will never deviate from their principles. You would still remember the Russian with a capital letter of officer Budanov, how he was humiliated by "his own" and killed in the end. Is it an honor?

[lysyj bob]

And I meant

Quote: ava09

officers who will never back down from their principles

[gray smeet]

Beautifully rubbed! Already a mean tear rolled ...

[gray smeet]

Particularly pleased with the reduction of the bureaucracy:

quote from the text:

The composition of the court, which will become an elected deliberative body, “Will include honored and highly professional leaders and employees of the central apparatus of the Investigative Committee, distinguished by a high level of personal discipline, having an impeccable reputation, enjoying the trust and respect of the team, as well as veterans of the investigating authorities»


where are the real selection criteria? - Yes, ours again? - Do you need to increase the feeder?

and another quote:

Similar courts will be created also in the regional offices of the UK.


I applaud while standing! Let me ask, at whose expense is the banquet?

[Hooks]

Due to working hours. Instead of conducting a preliminary investigation and procedural control over the investigation.

[Fat]

Quote: gray smeet

I applaud while standing! Let me ask, at whose expense is the banquet?

I want to believe that on a voluntary basis, at the call of the very Officer Honor.
IMHO Alexander Bastrykin is not one of those people who are very fond of "wrinkling" budget funds in the way you might have thought of ...

[Smoked]

Next in line is the Lynch Court.

[A-Sim]

Really dishonored themselves will begin to shoot ??? Leave, mon sher, this is a hussery ....

[saygon66]

- But what about ... From a revolver in caliber 0,5 liters ...

[pv1005]

According to the results of consideration of the questions, “the court of honor can either warn about responsibility, or petition the chairman of the Investigative Committee to hold the employee accountable.”

It is possible to intercede, but until the decision of the court of officer honor as well as the decision of the officer meeting becomes MANDATORY, there will be no sense in such decisions and the concept of officer honor for many will remain only on paper. At the current stage, this is just another leverage over the unwanted.

[saygon66]

- The court of honor of an officer often made one decision, which was impossible not to execute: "Sir, you don't belong here!" ... the term with confiscation was not set ...

[pv1005]

Quote: saygon66

- The court of honor of an officer often made one decision, which was impossible not to execute: "Sir, you don't belong here!" ... the term with confiscation was not set ...

Oh, how I would like it to be so now. But alas, reality is very different.

[RuslanNN]

Quote: Military Builder

Would create a better court of bureaucratic and deputy honor

How to create a court of what is not.

[vyinemeynen]

Honor must first be educated as a concept not inalienable from the rank of officer.

[with]

Something like that.

[DMoroz]

... will include honored and highly professional leaders and employees of the central apparatus of the Investigative Committee, distinguished by a high level of personal discipline, having an impeccable reputation ...

are there any? IMHO, in order to achieve the position of an employee of the CENTRAL apparatus, few were left with "... a high level of personal discipline, having an impeccable reputation ...

Another lever of influence on those who are objectionable to leadership

[corporal]

And in the UK there are officers ??? I heard about officials in clumsy uniforms, but not about officers.

[bish]

In the UK there are military investigative bodies, where there are officers with the corresponding military ranks. In the Civil Investigative Committee, as far as I remember, cool ranks

[bish]

In the UK there are military investigative bodies, where there are officers with the corresponding military ranks. In the Civil Investigative Committee, as far as I remember, cool ranks

[Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.]

In the UK, not military, but special ranks. As well as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies, the Federal Penitentiary Service. The same Markin, general - major of justice.

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

If only in the type and likeness of the court of honor that existed in Russia under the tsars, maybe there will be sense.

[raid14]

The prescribed punishments by the military charter for violation of military and service discipline, can no longer cope or have the proper effect?
From this court, one can expect punishments such as this: for a gross violation of official discipline, the court of officer honor was limited to punishment in the form of public censure or a boycott.

[kepmor]

Or deprivation of a share from the common fund for up to six months or more!
This punishment will be worse than any boycott for these "officers" ...

[VNP1958PVN]

“The court was formed by order of the head of the Investigation Committee Alexander Bastrykin in order to strengthen moral and ethical traditions, as well as to strengthen professional discipline, ensure compliance with the standards of professional ethics, prevent and resolve interpersonal conflicts in daily activities,” said Markin.

Well, there’s nothing left to gather and the party members will stop taking bribes!

[Mareman Vasilich]

Some kind of madhouse. The Soviet Army dispensed with this trial, and officers were called father-commanders. There is an opinion that again the officers will begin to mix with shit, for good reason that's all. It will not bring to good.

[An64]

The Soviet Army dispensed with this trial.

You probably did not serve in the Soviet Army, since this is what you declare. There were. And even divided into the courts of honor of junior officers and the courts of honor of senior officers.

Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces of 25.09.1980/XNUMX/XNUMX "On Approval of the Regulations on Comrade Courts of Honor for Officers in the Armed Forces of the USSR"

[Aleksandr1959]

They were there before. When Khrushchev reduced the armed forces by 1 people, there was a saying: "Three times, two hundred - courts of honor and one million two hundred."

[Mareman Vasilich]

Served. I incorrectly formulated the idea, so it didn’t work out very well. I think that under the guise of a court of officer honor, pressure will be exerted on the officers, not in terms of improving relations, but in terms of achieving the selfish goals of certain individuals. Well, if I'm wrong.

[1rl141]

During the time of the Soviet Army, it was almost impossible for an officer to leave the ranks of his own accord. You could quit only after reaching the age limit, OSH, illness, or discrediting the rank of officer.
And the courts of officer honor had weight in this regard.
They could have fired for discrediting, but they could have stood up for an officer.
And I do not understand some of the ernishness about the resumption of these courts.
The court of officer honor was not invented by us for a long time. If some people think that on such ships they can only threaten with a finger, then they are mistaken.
We had a case when the battalion commander took over one captain subordinate to him. Let's just say that I felt a personal dislike for him. Collected incriminating evidence against him, brought the matter to the court of officer honor, with a great desire to fire him.
As a result, other officers stood up for this captain in court and voted for him. As a result, he served further and the battalion commander lagged behind him.
Although this captain was also wrong in something, which he was pointed out to.
In general, the conflict was settled.
For this, these courts are needed. And it’s even very good that they are being restored.

[Mareman Vasilich]

I meant it. It’s bad if the opposite is true. It's just that in our country, recently, it has already become a rule that neither reform, nor introduction, is an act of vandalism.

[yuriy55]

To begin with, we would have decided who has the right to be considered an officer ... How can we equalize the rights of people who "earn" stars for shoulder straps in the ranks, improving in military affairs and preparing specialists of the appropriate class and level, and those who received these shoulder straps according to graduating from a civil university and military service had a purely theoretical relationship and for a couple of years punching the brains of the battalion commander? Or, how some officials put on a general's uniform, wanting to show their involvement in the army ... although they are generals, like a bullet from shit?

[LÄRZ]

Come on, at least some movement in this direction has gone. And then it will be seen that it will work, it will not work, but this option should also be "worked out". "Pilot project". You would also remember the "comradely courts". ("Shame on the drunkard and brawler Gorbunkov S. S." to / f "The Diamond Hand")

[itr]

I immediately remember a joke about the game of gentlemen in cards

[MP]

For a court of officer honor to appear, there must be officers. Not just people with strange straps, but the caste stratum with its norms and values. Do as in RI, but in fact nonsense. Yes, and prosecutors are not officers, it is, at best, a government official, in a more common - a corrupt person, pursuing vested interests under the cover of his uniform. Please do not be offended if anyone is hurt.

[bish]

I do not know what you hide behind in life. I know different prosecutors. There are cases when, after serving in various hot spots, having earned state awards in combined arms units for their actions, people went to serve in the prosecutor's office and the investigative committee, where they served with dignity. There is a case when a person in the prosecutor's office rose to the military rank of "major", then went to serve in a subdivision in the CSN of the FSB "Alpha", where he directly performed combat missions, showed himself positively. There are many examples when officers in different agencies served with honor.
I will not write about negative cases.

[Aleksandr1959]

In the early 90s, there were cases when, with a shortage of officers from the Military Prosecutor's Office who graduated from the prosecutor’s and investigative faculty of the Military Institute, people from the army who were former contingent military investigators who later graduated in absentia from the same prosecutor’s and investigative faculty of the Red Banner Military Institute were taken to the prosecutor’s office The Ministry of Defense (now the Military University) or the correspondence law faculty of a civil university, for example, very often Saratov. And they became excellent specialists.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Alexander1959

formerly contingent military investigators,

Usually young lieutenants were appointed to this position, so that there would be someone to "skin" off. I remember my case of two missing sheets. As a result of a conspiracy with the ensign of the clothing store and 0.5 alcohol, the case was closed.

[Aleksandr1959]

Not only lieutenants. Everything depended on the specifics of the unit. In Akhtubinsk, both majors and lieutenant colonels were appointed (well, this is the specificity of Akhtubinsk). And the main task of the interrogators (he himself was such for four years in the rank of first captain, then major were formal replies in refusing to initiate a criminal case on cases of personal injury. the head from a match hit the skirt, the skirt caught fire, began to extinguish, knocked over an open bottle of acetone, the floor caught fire ... began to extinguish the floor ... with a skirt. In the process of extinguishing, I got burned brushes. "And this is in an absolutely sober state. once three days later, an order came to assign a major. The stopper took the tips of his fingers wrapped in bandages on his hands ... He got insurance because he was sober during this event. he did not laugh ... he sobbed. As the saying goes, both laughter and sin.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Alexander1959

As they say, both laughter and sin.

Well, where without this, my comasco also laughed and cried over my explanatory, wiped away tears, slapped me a reprimand, and again began to laugh

[1rl141]

Quote: WUA 518

Quote: Alexander1959

As they say, both laughter and sin.

Well, where without this, my comasco also laughed and cried over my explanatory, wiped away tears, slapped me a reprimand, and again began to laugh

Isn't your report random?

[Aleksandr1959]

This joke has been on the Internet for ten years.
I remember at the court of honor somehow reading out the explanatory note of one captain:

Since it was hard for me in the morning after "yesterday", I went into the bathroom and drank half a bottle of triple cologne. Then he got dressed and went to work.

[kepmor]

Yes, do not apologize, you are 99% absolutely right!
Those who have actually come across the "snoopers" will in the majority think the same way.
After all, the Investigative Committee is the same office as the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB, well, of course, "our most humane court in the world" - and they have their own concepts and laws there!
Honest ones simply do not survive, or rather they simply survive!

[saygon66]

- The composition of the court of officer's honor was selected from the officers of the unit in which the guilty person served ... People knew each other ... And here there was almost a third-party organization ... The "upper people" will be judged, "on the basis of the materials presented."

[Tambov Wolf]

I read the code laid out by WUA 518 and thought that since 1985. with such a code and our times, 3 million should commit suicide. But, they are alive and produce the same kind of self and flourish. Therefore, they are tormented by vague doubts, however, even with the gendarmerie. Freshly tradition, it is hard to believe.

[nikoma2015]

An officer court of honor had to be created a long time ago, and for it to work, especially a lot of villains in the police force.
And it is necessary to establish an officer ring (Signet) with the coat of arms of Russia so that it can be inherited from gold and precious stones so that the officer takes pride in his rank and position. And if you do not live up to expectations and shit, then you need to apply the court of officer honor .. And this does not put aside.

[avva2012]

Quote: nikoma2015 And it is necessary to establish an officer ring (Signet) with the coat of arms of Russia so that it can be inherited from gold and precious stones so that the officer takes pride in his rank and position.

Yeah, tattoo, on ..., "welcome aboard."
kindergarten, the second group.

[WUA 518]

Quote: nikoma2015

And you need to establish an officer ring (Signet)

How many of these rings of fingers broke, and shorted contacts ...

[Aleksandr1959]

The technique was "not recommended" to work with dressed wedding rings. An acquaintance of mine from the leadership of the IAS, then 8 Chkalov State Research Institute of the Russian Federation, wore a ring on his left hand. When I asked why, he showed me the disfigured finger of his right hand. He hung on this ring as an airplane technician. As he said, it's good that the ring was a little loose, otherwise the finger would have been torn off ... otherwise it "just crippled" while it got off the finger along with the skin and meat. I drew conclusions.

[saygon66]

- In the Russian Army, such rings existed ... But do not ring (as in the US Army)
- They were made of two rings: The inner one is made of gold, and the outer one is made of steel ...

[Aleksandr1959]

They were made of two rings: The inner one was made of gold, and the outer one was made of steel.

Such rings were made by the Decembrists. The outer part is made of shackle iron, the inner part is made of gold. The rings were personalized. When I was still in school, a literature teacher asked someone from her friends to show us this family heirloom. Interestingly, it was not visible that the iron part was corroded.

[saygon66]

- There is a version that gold was covered with steel so that the ring did not attract the attention of looters ...

[Igor V]

I do not understand why such a reaction, an initiative necessary and long overdue, if the courts will be the same as in the Soviet Army.

[Was mammoth]

"Who are the judges?"
Leading and highly valued employees. I am afraid that this will be the same profanation as the "fight against obscenities" in the army. Nobody knows how this commission is doing in the Russian army?
And for the court of officer's honor, I am FOR. This is a good educational measure. And one should not think that the courts of honor have always passed "punitive" sentences. I also know about the sentences, which were not to the liking of the command.
In civilian life in Soviet times there was an analogue, it was called a comrades' court. The decision was taken by the general team for ethical misconduct and offenses. As a rule, public censure was made and on its basis the administration of the enterprise "bit off" the award, in part or in part. But it was that the court justified, in spite of even the protocols from the police.

[Grif]

I understand only one court of officer honor is a duel. Everything else is chatter.

[pv1005]

Quote: Grif

I understand only one court of officer honor is a duel. Everything else is chatter.

Do not confuse round with soft, dear. It is one thing if the honor of one officer is affected by the actions of another, then yes, only satisfaction. But if an officer, through his actions or inaction, has tarnished his officer honor or cast a shadow over the entire officer corps, then only through the court of officer honor, the decision of which must be executed EXCESSIVE by a commander of any rank.

[TsUS-Air Force]

reprimand no tripper hang will fall off

[Old old]

In other words, "strengthening moral and ethical traditions, service discipline, ensuring compliance with the norms of professional ethics, preventing and resolving interpersonal conflicts in daily activities" and all this was left to "drift"?
"Interpersonal conflicts" - what is it, "pisyunami" are measured and fight among themselves?

[shura7782]

I have always been puzzled by the presence in such structures of the officer rank. I consider this a mockery of the sun. If in the garrison a regiment commands one regiment, then I see more of this brethren with such a rank than at the headquarters of the air army. Apparently, these high ranks of the colonel easily get without going outside the hometown. By the way, they also surpassed the form of the Air Force. Apparently who claimed it in childhood, he wanted to become a pilot, but he did not. Well, at least, the shape is similar. Then I saw these "bare-footed" troops "in the prosecutor's office more than once. The skirt reaches such heights that underpants are visible. Such an officer looks more like a prostitute - and this is our glorious officer corps in uniform with you. Under Tsar Batyushka there was no such mess. In the armed forces there were military ranks, everyone else had their own. After Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, I stopped believing completely in courts in uniform. Therefore, this news is more annoying than happy.

[Fat]

Quote: shura7782

After Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, I stopped believing completely in courts in uniform. Therefore, this news is more annoying than happy.

Anatoly Serdyukov (economist, former chief fiscal of the Russian Federation), Evgeny Vasiliev (entrepreneur and manager) were never worn epaulettes and were not officers. That's why they stole from the army, such a thing.

[shura7782]

Quote: Thick

Anatoly Serdyukov (economist, former chief fiscal of the Russian Federation), Evgeny Vasiliev (entrepreneur and manager) were never worn epaulettes and were not officers. That's why they stole from the army, such a thing.

Thank God they did not wear epaulettes. For that, people in uniform were engaged in them. What are we talking about.