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Erdogan wants to personally speak "with dear Putin"

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The Turkish Foreign Ministry summoned "on the carpet" the Russian ambassador in Ankara in connection with the allegedly new violation of the country's airspace, reports RIA News Reuters message.




"The Turkish Foreign Ministry said that a Russian military aircraft violated Turkish airspace on Friday," Reuters writes. In a statement, the agency "called for a stop to violate the airspace" of the country.

The press attache of the Russian embassy confirmed the fact of calling the ambassador to the Turkish Foreign Ministry.

On Saturday, President Erdogan, in the course of communication with journalists, said that he would like to meet personally with Vladimir Putin.

“Yesterday there was a violation of our airspace by a Russian plane. Such irresponsible steps, in which we see an escalation of the crisis, benefit neither Russia, nor NATO-Russia relations, nor regional and global peace, they only bring harm. Yesterday, these considerations were expressed by the Russian Ambassador in Ankara (Andrei Karlov). At the same time, I asked the Deputy Foreign Minister to contact the Russian side and convey that I personally want to talk to dear Putin. Our ambassador informed that this information was passed on (to the Russian side), but we haven’t received a reply until now ”,
- said the Turkish president.

In turn, the Russian military said that "there were no violations of Turkish airspace by the aircraft of the Russian air group in Syria," the agency said.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 31 January 2016 08: 36
    209
    I personally want to talk with respected Putin.
    as petition you submit, stink ... (c)
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 31 January 2016 08: 38
      64
      Quote: iza top
      I personally want to talk with respected Putin.
      as petition you submit, stink ... (c)

      Eh, Izya, got ahead smile By the way, the incomparable Vladimir Abramovich Etush is somewhat similar to Erdogan laughing
      1. tommy717
        tommy717 31 January 2016 09: 13
        45
        This is Erdogan - on Etush
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 31 January 2016 10: 45
          12
          Erdogan wants personally ...
          Previously, in childhood they used to say: Hu-Hu, not Ho-Ho?
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 31 January 2016 12: 00
            +3
            Quote: Baikonur
            Previously, in childhood they used to say: Hu-Hu, not Ho-Ho?

            ... just like that ... ah, here's the question ?! ..as usual evidence in the form of a trace of RTV funds they don’t have? .. lost, poured coffee, a computer broke? .. or what will come up with a newer one? .. but what about the AWACS? which they are going to transfer / transferred to Turkey? ... apparently, all this fuss is for this purpose started? ... hi
            1. andrewkor
              andrewkor 31 January 2016 15: 33
              +1
              it was invented in the "Republic of SHKID"
            2. Siberian
              Siberian 31 January 2016 18: 26
              +6
              But is it not for this purpose that Erdogan personally meet with Putin. In a different way, it did not work (and the Serbs did not help, and the Bulgarians refused). Unpretentious turkish diplomacy
          2. In search
            In search 31 January 2016 13: 33
            -1
            I see fun reigns here to its full height, but what will we do if we are hit by a plane again under these statements?
            1. ty60
              ty60 31 January 2016 17: 01
              +8
              34 are armed with air-to-air missiles.
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 31 January 2016 17: 42
                +4
                There is also air-to-ground and surface-to-surface ...
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 1 February 2016 14: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Scraptor
                  There is also air-to-ground and surface-to-surface ...

                  It seems that if anything, then it is possible to work out with only "Calibers" from the Caspian Flotilla at the airfields from which the Turkish air pirates took off. And that will be enough. Will they tell a lie during the second shooting down (which is doubtful in the light of the preventive measures taken) Nat for the Turks will fit in, taking into account their renounced statements during the first incident.
              2. remy
                remy 31 January 2016 23: 40
                0
                Su-35 4 boards help them
            2. Theline
              Theline 31 January 2016 22: 10
              -13 qualifying.
              Everyone will again be indignant at the "blow to the back", but there will be no armed confrontation, this is not Georgia. And everyone will again give their proof of the opponent's guilt. Turkey - that the Russian plane was warned twenty times in 15 seconds of being in Turkish airspace, and Russia - that after a missile hit the tail of the plane, it turned sharply 90 degrees, which does not sound entirely natural.

              Ask where did I get it? Remember the testimony of the surviving pilot, who said that "the rocket flew into the tail unexpectedly" and pictures from the Ministry of Defense showing the flight path of the aircraft (even the point of impact of the rocket is marked there)
              1. Theline
                Theline 1 February 2016 15: 38
                -4
                They didn’t even explain why I didn’t like my post. Apparently there are no sensible arguments: with
                1. Vital
                  Vital 2 February 2016 13: 36
                  -1
                  Your post is not rich in arguments either
                  1. Theline
                    Theline 2 February 2016 14: 37
                    0
                    At least I explained why the MO is not telling the truth either, you are not capable of it.
            3. ZKB
              ZKB 31 January 2016 23: 22
              +1
              sou 34 they have nothing to bring down
              1. remy
                remy 31 January 2016 23: 41
                0
                Su-34s carry, alongside the built-in, also suspended EW containers
                not that nothing to bring down. just not possible!
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            5. Mihalich17
              Mihalich17 1 February 2016 14: 32
              0
              Without much reason
              Do not disturb the "Erdozone"!
            6. djqnbdjqnb
              djqnbdjqnb 1 February 2016 19: 47
              +1
              Quote: In search
              I see fun reigns here to its full height, but what will we do if we are hit by a plane again under these statements?


              As Comrade Sukhov used to say, "this is hardly." And if they get hit, we will ship it in full. With a makeweight
            7. Boatsman_Palych
              Boatsman_Palych 2 February 2016 13: 08
              +2
              Also, army units will be introduced in the north of Syria. After all, our harsh rulers about the act of war on the Turkish side did not send their ambassador, but did not even call him on the carpet with a note. So, we talked with the military attache - who also did not send. Therefore, Erdogan is so brazen and behaving, hoping for cover from the black sovereign and NATO. I hope this is not stupidity and indecision - but Erdogan’s provocation, he was so overwhelmed that NATO did not dare to support him.
        2. remy
          remy 31 January 2016 23: 39
          0
          just a puppet in someone’s hands. apparently already the house itself in Miami looked
      2. vladimirw
        vladimirw 2 February 2016 12: 07
        +2
        this turk wants to be like: soon he will sing -3 tape recorders, suede jackets .. also 3
    2. bracket
      bracket 31 January 2016 08: 38
      +4
      how petitional TsAR you serve, stink ,,,, (c)
    3. makst83
      makst83 31 January 2016 08: 41
      30
      Putin taught Erdogan diplomacy. The progress is obvious - Ankara still behaves like a political whore, sprinkling false accusations, but is already afraid!
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2016 08: 48
        70
        Quote: makst83
        Putin taught Erdogan diplomacy. The progress is obvious - Ankara still behaves like a political whore, sprinkling false accusations, but is already afraid!

        Yes, Erdogan rushes about like a chased ferret, 3 days ago Netanyahu finally threw him — there will be no gas pipeline through Turkey — normalization while Erdogan is in power
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 31 January 2016 09: 08
          48
          Quote: atalef
          there will be no gas pipeline through Turkey
          Alexander. Homeland appreciated your contribution to this matter. You will receive the order upon returning from the mission.
          Why is Ro-odin-a ...
          Alex Eustace: hello! drinks
          1. atalef
            atalef 31 January 2016 09: 35
            48
            Quote: wicked partisan
            Quote: atalef
            there will be no gas pipeline through Turkey
            Alexander. Homeland appreciated your contribution to this matter. You will receive the order upon returning from the mission.
            Why is Ro-odin-a ...
            Alex Eustace: hello! drinks

            I want a new radio operator, but two better soldier
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 31 January 2016 09: 39
              31
              Quote: atalef
              I want a new radio operator, but two better

              laughing Look, a lover of radio operators, your Kat, somewhere next to a flying pan, will fly instead of Sunday's praise and will tap the Big Medical Encyclopedia from cover to cover, laughing Hello "Stirlitz" ... hi !
              1. atalef
                atalef 31 January 2016 10: 21
                +8
                Quote: Tersky
                Quote: atalef
                I want a new radio operator, but two better

                laughing Look, a lover of radio operators, your Kat, somewhere next to a flying pan, will fly instead of Sunday's praise and will tap the Big Medical Encyclopedia from cover to cover, laughing Hello "Stirlitz" ... hi !

                Yes, they’re such bandera, they will tap it off with a frying pan and add a rolling pin,
                Hi. Someone is resting and I'm already at work
                1. fif21
                  fif21 31 January 2016 10: 47
                  +9
                  Quote: atalef
                  someone is resting and I'm already at work
                  He thinks at work about radio operators fool , and forgot about the report to Satanovsky on Monday? And the GRU was tired of waiting for the report on the last tranche. There is an opinion that instead of the "Bandera" radio operator, send you a radio operator from the Buryat armored division.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 31 January 2016 11: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: fif21
                    He thinks at work about radio operators, but forgot about the report to Satanovsky on Monday?

                    Satan rules the ball there, the ball rules there. Satan reigns there Baal, there praavit ball ---- tydydydyn !!!! fellow

                    Quote: fif21
                    There is an opinion that instead of the "Bandera" radio operator, send you a radio operator from the Buryat armored division.

                    if only Liisan (Utyashev) love
                    1. fif21
                      fif21 31 January 2016 13: 23
                      +3
                      Quote: atalef
                      if only Liisan (Utyashev)
                      Only you could confuse a Bashkir with a Buryat (you are ours). And Satanovsky tydydydyn !!! Your may not like it. To avoid scandal, go to whiskey with ice.
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                      2. atalef
                        atalef 31 January 2016 13: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: fif21
                        Only you could confuse a Bashkir with a Buryat (you are ours).

                        Indeed, they are so different

                        Quote: fif21
                        And Satanovsky tydydydyn

                        This is an aria from Mephistopheles.
                        Satan’s smart guy, although some of his findings are very controversial.
                        Quote: fif21
                        To avoid scandal, go to whiskey with ice.

                        Prefer Vrambuie- if with ice.
                      3. Nagaibak
                        Nagaibak 31 January 2016 15: 53
                        +9
                        atalef "[quote = fif21] Only you could confuse a Bashkir woman with a Buryat (you are ours).
                        Yes ... really ..)))) Bashkirs are different within the same people and are different from each other. They have a more European appearance and have a more Asian appearance.
                        "Indeed, they are so different. Bashkirs are very different in appearance. Appearance mainly depends on what kind of Bashkir a person belongs to. It is characterized by a mixture of European and Mongoloid characters. Medium and tall. Mostly not a thick beard and mustache."
                        Pontic
                        light Caucasian
                        south siberian
                        The most ancient racial types of the Bashkirs are considered to be the Light Caucasian, Pontic and Subural, and the latest is the South Siberian [67]. The South Siberian anthropological type in the composition of the Bashkirs appeared rather late and is closely connected with the Turkic tribes of the 68th-XNUMXth centuries and the Kypchaks of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. The Pamir-Ferganian, Trans-Caspian racial types, also present in the Bashkirs, are associated with the Indo-Iranian and Turkic nomads of Eurasia [XNUMX]. "
                        How do you like this Bashkirochka?)))
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          3. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 31 January 2016 09: 53
            +5
            And the forces, that is? For two radio operators?
          4. evil partisan
            evil partisan 31 January 2016 10: 09
            11
            Quote: atalef
            I want a new radio operator

            Radio operators end badly ... request
            1. atalef
              atalef 31 January 2016 10: 22
              16
              Quote: wicked partisan
              Quote: atalef
              I want a new radio operator

              Radio operators end badly ... request

              It depends on how fast it is to freeze. wassat
              1. evil partisan
                evil partisan 31 January 2016 10: 38
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                It depends on how winked freeze

                You just don’t get carried away with points, use a dash too ...
                1. atalef
                  atalef 31 January 2016 11: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: wicked partisan
                  Quote: atalef
                  It depends on how winked freeze

                  You just don’t get carried away with points, use a dash too ...

                  dash m is the type of gaps? belay
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 31 January 2016 13: 09
                    +2
                    Atalef, I'm not a magician, I'm just learning ... In general, I call women ...
            2. fif21
              fif21 31 January 2016 10: 49
              +3
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Radio operators end badly ...
              Partisans too wassat
          5. alone
            alone 31 January 2016 14: 19
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            I want a new radio operator, but two better

            Well, look Alexander, throw Diana to you wink laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 31 January 2016 17: 04
              +3
              Quote: lonely
              Quote: atalef
              I want a new radio operator, but two better

              Well, look Alexander, throw Diana to you wink laughing

              Better kill right away. sad
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 31 January 2016 17: 09
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Better kill right away.

                Whom to Diana? crying
                1. atalef
                  atalef 31 January 2016 17: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  Quote: atalef
                  Better kill right away.

                  Whom to Diana? crying

                  Well, judging by her comments - you can’t even crush her with a tank.
          6. oldzek
            oldzek 31 January 2016 17: 46
            0
            Well, you give a nice one .... but you have enough strength.
        2. captain
          captain 31 January 2016 11: 01
          0
          Commenting on the citizens, I’m ready to incur your anger, but I think that Putin should meet with Erdogan. Yes, it is necessary to demand apologies, compensations and assurances of the uniqueness of such anti-Russian actions. Demand to curtail the activities of all non-governmental Turkish organizations in Russia. Liquidation of all extremist organizations with an anti-Russian orientation in Turkey, extradition of all militants who fought against Russia, etc. But you need to meet.
          1. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 31 January 2016 11: 33
            +1
            Quote: captain
            Commenting on the citizens, I’m ready to incur your anger, but I think that Putin should meet with Erdogan. Yes, it is necessary to demand apologies, compensations and assurances of the uniqueness of such anti-Russian actions. Demand to curtail the activities of all non-governmental Turkish organizations in Russia. Liquidation of all extremist organizations with an anti-Russian orientation in Turkey, extradition of all militants who fought against Russia, etc. But you need to meet.


            But your requirements are impossible. Now, if you demanded his resignation on the spot of GDP ...
            1. Seal
              Seal 31 January 2016 13: 02
              +8
              Quote: evge-malyshev
              Now, if you demanded his resignation on the spot of GDP ...

              Firstly, this requirement is unacceptable, as it is interference in internal affairs.
              And secondly and most importantly - and who will replace Erdogan? Fethullah Gulen? So he is already 75 years old. In addition, for the past 17 years he has lived in the United States.
              Will they put Ahmet Davutoglu? The same Erdogan, only a side view!

              What, do the Turks elect Kemal Kılıçdaroлуlu? For us, of course, this would be a very good option, but they are unlikely to be elected. It is silt (not alavite, like B. Assad, but silt). At other times, he could possibly have been elected President, but it is unlikely now that Erdogan’s party for some time, unfortunately, turned Turkey into a rather religious country of the Sunni Islam.
            2. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 31 January 2016 14: 57
              0
              Quote: evge-malyshev
              Now, if you demanded his resignation on the spot of GDP ...


              MB, I unsuccessfully put it ... To demand the resignation of myself? Of course not: it is about Erdogan’s proposal to resign.
          2. Pirogov
            Pirogov 31 January 2016 11: 46
            12
            Commenting citizens, I’m ready to incur your anger on myself, but I think that Putin should meet with Erdogan ............................... ........................................
            ........................... Yes, he went to ..you Erdogan!
          3. voronbel53
            voronbel53 31 January 2016 12: 11
            +5
            Quote: captain
            Yes, it is necessary to demand apologies, compensations and assurances of the uniqueness of such anti-Russian actions. down

            Erdogan must complete all these actions before meeting with Putin of his own free will without any reminders and requirements, and only then, with luck, maybe Putin will go forward. Although all this is in the field of dreams, Erdogan is still the goose and will not go for it, but Putin will never agree to whisper in secret, there’s nothing to bargain about ...
          4. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 31 January 2016 12: 26
            +6
            Quote: captain
            Citizens commenting, ready to bring your anger to yourself

            Well, why is it so tragic ...
            Quote: captain
            but I think

            And it is right. You must always express your opinion ... Why do you "+" from me ...
            Quote: captain
            Putin must meet

            Maybe it should, but ...
            Quote: captain
            will meet with Erdogan

            ... but not with Erdogan ...
            Quote: captain
            Demand to curtail the activities of all non-governmental Turkish organizations in Russia. Liquidation of all extremist organizations with an anti-Russian orientation in Turkey, extradition of all militants who fought against Russia, etc.

            This is taken for granted. And not even discussed ...
            Quote: captain
            But you have to meet

            It is necessary. But as I mentioned above, not at all with Erdogan. And in order for this meeting with "Not Erdogan" to take place as quickly as possible, we need to make the most active participation ... repeat I think that the progressive part of Turkish citizens should also contribute to this ... wink

            And there is no other way ... Even if Erdogan began to call the GDP "respected" ...
          5. hrapon
            hrapon 31 January 2016 12: 54
            +4
            Quote: captain
            ...... I think that Putin should meet with Erdogan. ...... But you need to meet ....


            Erdogan is a political corpse. Already stinks. There is nothing to talk with him about. It is not a royal matter in r ... do not tinker with it.
      2. 44 World
        44 World 31 January 2016 09: 25
        +6
        Afraid of Erdogan Putin and all of Russia, even behind NATO’s back, and rightly so ...
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 31 January 2016 09: 37
          +9
          Such irresponsible steps, in which we see an escalation of the crisis, are not beneficial either to Russia, or to NATO-RF relations, or to the regional and global peacethey only do harm.


          Global peace This makes no sense fool How highly did he assess himself, and what the hell "the global world violates the airspace of Greece every week?"
          nor NATO-RF relations
          Yes, you go to the forest of Vieste with NATO, you are our global ... otherwise the airspace will begin to violate.

          I still haven’t learned to wash myself so that the GDP will come down to send you personally ...
    4. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 31 January 2016 08: 53
      31
      Quote: makst83
      Putin taught Erdogan diplomacy. The progress is obvious - Ankara still behaves like a political whore, sprinkling false accusations, but is already afraid!

      So the tour season will open soon, and it's time to plant tomatoes, and Erdogan will not eat so much in one mug ..
      1. crumb
        crumb 31 January 2016 09: 09
        17
        with donuts barter there will be apples on tomatoes - beauty !!!
    5. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 31 January 2016 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: makst83
      Putin taught Erdogan diplomacy. The progress is obvious - Ankara still behaves like a political whore, sprinkling false accusations, but is already afraid!

      Moreover, he is not talking about relations between Russia and Turkey, but about Russia-NATO !!! Behaves like a jackal in Mowgli ... "Akela missed"
    6. remy
      remy 31 January 2016 18: 51
      +1
      according to the logic of SPRN and VKS deployed in Latakia will report that there was no border crossing
      it turns out that Ankara an accomplice of terrorists just sweeps traces
      type under the left noise sign a non-attack pact
      remember - passed - know - not allow
    7. Theline
      Theline 31 January 2016 22: 12
      -6
      First you need proof of a lie. And then you love blaming the State Department, but in your eye, as they say, you don’t see logs.
  2. vlad66
    vlad66 31 January 2016 08: 50
    25
    convey that I personally want to talk with respected Putin.

    Let him hang Putin’s portrait on the wall and talk to him as much as you want, the next dirty trick is plotted by a apricot.
    1. skeptic
      skeptic 31 January 2016 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: vlad66
      Let him hang Putin’s portrait on the wall and talk to him as much as you want, the next dirty trick is plotted by a apricot.


      Well, what are you so? He wants to meet, well, let him talk to the doorman, and he, on the occasion, will hand over the GDP to the secretary.
  3. vovanpain
    vovanpain 31 January 2016 08: 54
    68
    Quote: izya top
    as petition you submit, stink ... (c)

    Here's how to submit a petition. hi
  4. My doctor
    My doctor 31 January 2016 10: 19
    -5
    Quote: izya top
    I personally want to talk with respected Putin.
    as petition you submit, stink ... (c)

    And as if by chance he said "and your planes again violate the border, there will be trouble again." I think they are trying to achieve something that did not work the first time, they will try on the second try.
    And why do you think that without exception everyone wants to kneel before everyone? I know why, but you yourself guess?
    1. jjj
      jjj 31 January 2016 10: 45
      10
      This Turkish statement is correlated in time with the interception in the Black Sea by our plane of an American intelligence officer, the transfer of additional Western missiles to Turkey and insults from the West personally by Vladimir Vladimirovich. We must wait for some nasty things in the Middle East and Ukraine
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 31 January 2016 12: 19
    +3
    Erdogan is not shaking hands, for us he is not there, as Saakashvili had not been after after the events of 08.08.08.
  6. poacher
    poacher 31 January 2016 12: 21
    0
    but really, it would be interesting to look just at the beginning of the meeting, at his expression on his face, something fantasy played out. request
  7. solkhat
    solkhat 31 January 2016 15: 33
    +2
    Erdogan’s behavior is like that of a jackal Tabaki from * Mowgli *. He killed, shot down a plane and ran to NATO to hide from responsibility. Well, clean Tabaki.
  8. Vend
    Vend 1 February 2016 09: 34
    0
    Quote: iza top
    I personally want to talk with respected Putin.
    as petition you submit, stink ... (c)

    Yes, oh, how Erdoогan’s heat laughing
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    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 31 January 2016 09: 19
      +4
      Ten times "KU" forgot to say ...
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 31 January 2016 08: 39
    61
    This is the only way to talk with pidorgan.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 31 January 2016 09: 01
      43
      It would be necessary to repeat ... Basurmanes are being impudent, damn them!
      1. Seal
        Seal 31 January 2016 13: 55
        +1
        What's the point? Yes, Nesselrode had to be hanged because he had allowed a situation when a coalition of England, France, Turkey and Sardinia, which joined them, formed against us. With the neutrality of Austria and Germany very bad for us.
        What about the Sinop battle? No wonder I.V. Stalin, when choosing the names of orders for military sailors, placed the Order of Ushakov above the Order of Nakhimov.

        In the battle of Sinop, we had an overwhelming advantage.
        We had mainly battleships (120 cannon and 84 cannon). We had 6 battleships and 2 frigates. A total of 720 guns. Of these, 76 were bomb weapons, firing explosive bombs, which had great destructive force.
        The Turks - 7 frigates and 3 corvettes. Among the Turkish frigates was Fazli-Allah (given by Alah) - our former 34-gun frigate Rafail built in 1825, surrendered to the Turks in 1829. In total, the Turks had 510 guns on ships and 38 guns of coastal batteries. The Turks did not have bombing weapons. However, two coastal batteries (first and second) did not participate in the battle due to remoteness. The third battery barely reached our battleship Chesmu. The fourth and especially fifth coastal batteries also did not have a special effect on the battle, since they (especially batteries No. 5) were prevented from firing by their own frigates, which were standing just in the way of the cores of these coastal batteries. The sixth battery fired on our battleship Rostislav. Well, he did, of course, too. And a couple of three Saints.
        As historians write:
        "The defeat of the Turkish squadron in Sinop significantly weakened the naval forces of Turkey and thwarted its plans to land troops on the coast of the Caucasus. At the same time, the destruction of the Turkish squadron led to a change in the entire military-political situation. After the Battle of Sinop, Great Britain, France and Sardinia entered the war. kingdom. On December 23, 1853 (January 4, 1854) a united Anglo-French squadron entered the Black Sea. "
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 31 January 2016 16: 20
          +3
          Quote: Seal
          In total, the Turks had 510 guns on ships and 38 guns of coastal batteries


          "I prefer one gun on the shore - ten on the ship" (c)
          Do not forget that shore batteries are very seriously, and the conclusion from your description is obvious: the genius of Nakhimov manifested itself in such a battle structure that the coastal batteries could not fully use their potential!
          1. Seal
            Seal 31 January 2016 21: 48
            0
            Yes, you just look at the map of Sinop Bay and the location of coastal batteries. If the Turks climbed into the bay themselves, then at least no matter how Nakhimov’s system or another naval commander’s ships, his own Turkish ships will interfere with their two batteries (especially No. 5). And two batteries (No. 1; 2) are far away.

            http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/encyclopedia/?title=Синопское_сражени
          2. Seal
            Seal 31 January 2016 21: 52
            0
            http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/encyclopedia/?title=Синопское_сражени
            Add the letter "e" in the word battle to be "= Sinop_battle".
            There is a scheme. From which it can be seen that if there are Turkish ships in the bay, no matter how you build your ships, at least Nakhimov, at least another naval commander - battery No. 5 can only shoot through his ships, and battery No. No. 1; 2 - are far away.
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  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 31 January 2016 08: 42
    24
    About "violation" of the air space he thought of lying, or the State Department asked? What, do you think that one of our aircraft was shot down, it went cold, and the second one is bad? Do not dream, for the second, we will beat you to the gates of Constantinople, instead of a shield.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 31 January 2016 09: 07
      +8
      The Pentagon today swore, saying that only they persuaded the Turks not to shoot down the Su-34 on Friday.

      Also, the Turkish Air Force transferred to the orange alarm - this means that they can open fire according to circumstances at the discretion of the pilot.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 31 January 2016 09: 23
        24
        Quote...
        Also, the Turkish Air Force transferred to the orange alarm - this means that they can open fire according to circumstances at the discretion of the pilot.

        S-400 is waiting in the wings ...
      2. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 31 January 2016 09: 36
        +9
        Quote: donavi49
        The Pentagon today swore, saying that only they persuaded the Turks not to shoot down the Su-34 on Friday.

        They didn’t bring down, because they were not ready, no one warned them that we would fly to them (and was there any flight at all?). It is completely incomprehensible how they monitor airspace in the border zone?
        1. ZKB
          ZKB 31 January 2016 23: 32
          +1
          Su34 is not a plane, it is the most difficult system for suppressing enemy air defenses, stuffed with electronic warfare, it is an effective system for protecting the rear hemisphere (a blow to the back will not work), and destroying both air and ground means. Attack su34 f-15, f-16 is suicide. therefore, only yapping and stays. this is not an old su-24.
      3. 72jora72
        72jora72 31 January 2016 09: 39
        +4
        Also, the Turkish Air Force transferred to the orange alarm - this means that they can open fire according to circumstances at the discretion of the pilot.
        And we can check the S-400 in combat conditions (well, a dozen, one and a half, other systems to the heap)
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 31 January 2016 10: 07
          +8
          Hatred is bad too.

          If Erdogan burns after the next bombed convoy for the bearded kids, then he can fire relatively safely, and most likely bring down the plane.

          2 F-16 with AMRAAM C7
          Landing radar / AWACS approach
          Capture - mass launch of 4 missiles from the line of 30-40km (the P-27 response will not arrive on it, and the C7 will have enough energy to catch and maneuver)
          A sharp lapel and departure to the base
          or
          If there is capture and shooting, falling into the shade of the mountains and leaving the terrain on a shaver - there physics will help, the air defense system will disrupt the capture, since the mountain cannot be enlightened.

          You can implement such a scenario because:
          - this is a typical attack constantly training in NATO
          - Turks have missiles, as well as Block50 / 52 aircraft
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 31 January 2016 10: 18
            0
            30-40km - Following the seven is not an option, it has a launch range of 40-50 km in the faculty, even AMRAAM may not catch up.
          2. viktorR
            viktorR 31 January 2016 10: 23
            0
            Sorry I did not wake up in the morning)). Confused with c7 and aim-7
          3. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 31 January 2016 10: 23
            +2
            For this, at least Turkish interceptors must be within the same 30-40 kilometers from our aircraft. Since our plane does not warn in advance exactly where it will invade Turkish space, and only for a few seconds, the task is difficult if you do not know the place in advance, as was the case with Drying, "thanks" to the American partners. And to keep a bunch of interceptors constantly in the air near the border - no resources will be enough, or they themselves will fly to the Syrians in a park, with all that it implies.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 31 January 2016 10: 30
              +7
              The Turks have their own AWAC. They can shine taking off and all flying in the north side. Further, forecasting the route (since it flew north to bomb Turkoman, it would fly past the appendix), lift the shock pair and work. Where the plane crashes and where it will be shot down is no longer important, you can always say that it flew into the appendix and even provide which records, the Pentagon and NATO will support.
              1. Mikhail Krapivin
                Mikhail Krapivin 31 January 2016 11: 23
                +4
                Once such a plan passed, the second time ours should not step on this rake. To carry out both attack options, which you described, Turkish planes need to get closer to ours more or less in the border area. In the presence of our S-400, all their movements should be recorded and analyzed, with a warning to our aircraft about a possible attack. And forewarned means armed. And, by the way, it just occurred to me - maybe it’s ours that they are already provoking and nagging them? And somewhere nearby Syrian MIG-29 are waiting?
          4. skeptic
            skeptic 31 January 2016 10: 24
            +5
            Quote: donavi49
            If Erdogan burns after the next bombed convoy for the bearded kids, then he can fire relatively safely, and most likely bring down the plane.


            Not a chance that the airfield with planes will be able to evade the "Calibers" if they try to attack our plane again.
          5. BIGLESHIY
            BIGLESHIY 31 January 2016 11: 11
            +3
            Quote: donavi49


            You can implement such a scenario because:
            - this is a typical attack constantly training in NATO
            - Turks have missiles, as well as Block50 / 52 aircraft

            Only where is the guarantee that the airfield from which these fighters took off will not be "calibrated" later.
            We have "calibers".
      4. skeptic
        skeptic 31 January 2016 10: 17
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        The Pentagon today swore, saying that only they persuaded the Turks not to shoot down the Su-34 on Friday.


        And how do they manage (in 24 seconds, ostensibly to violate the Turkish border) and issue "warnings" to the Russian pilots, inform the Pentagon, and they in return (persuaded the Turks not to shoot down the Su-34 on Friday)? request
    2. ty60
      ty60 31 January 2016 17: 14
      0
      and better to the gates of the Kolyma zone ...
  • Victor jnnjdfy
    Victor jnnjdfy 31 January 2016 08: 44
    38
    You must always remember that if the Turks and other derivatives of them are not afraid of you, then you should not sit at the negotiating table with them. They will become impudent. Negotiability with them appears only with the advent of fear. You should not rely on the honor and conscience of the Turkish side, while there is no sense of fear in it ...
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 31 January 2016 09: 55
      +5
      You should not rely on the honor and conscience of the Turkish side, while there is no sense of fear in it ...


      I completely agree with you, but ... we have a government that thinks with its own criteria, which has its own understanding of the honor, honor of the country and state ...
      True patriots there are few. Monetary gain rules everything
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 31 January 2016 08: 45
    14
    How can you talk to a liar, a killer and a thief?
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 31 January 2016 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: Alexander 3
      How can you talk to a liar, a killer and a thief?

      The only way..! Otherwise they do not understand ....
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 31 January 2016 10: 25
      +4
      Quote: Alexander 3
      How can you talk to a liar, a killer and a thief?


      And most importantly, what to talk about with him?
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 31 January 2016 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        And most importantly, what to talk about with him?


        Well, there is always something to talk about. Just to start a conversation, you need to apologize, say: "Vladimir, I and Turkey were wrong, we will not do this anymore and will compensate for all the losses and expenses." And after that, ask for an audience. I really think so. And the fact that Erdogan hinted at the possibility of negotiations and immediately put forward a fake about the violation of the border by our plane is pure profanity.
        (cry.)
        1. cap
          cap 31 January 2016 12: 20
          +2
          Quote: Lelek
          "Vladimir, I and Turkey were wrong, we will not do this anymore and we will compensate all the losses and expenses."
  • SveTok
    SveTok 31 January 2016 08: 45
    +6
    Erdoganchik wanted, laughter and nothing more.
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 31 January 2016 08: 48
    +9
    Well, about the violation, as I understand it, the Turks did not provide objective control data (some currents of air shock), therefore I think that Erdogan is trying, through a far-fetched pretext, to establish relations between the countries directly with Putin ... It cannot be otherwise, because it’s on the nose summer season, and Turkish companies began to incur losses, and serious ones apparently ... Yes, and now there’s nothing to talk about, because the Turks themselves decided to put themselves at the very beginning ...
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 31 January 2016 09: 27
      +3
      Quote...
      Well, about the violation, as I understand it, no objective control data was provided by the Turks (some current of air shaking)

      The owners said: "We saw everything, but the photo has not appeared on Twitter yet ...
      The Pentagon confirms Ankara’s allegations of a Russian military plane allegedly violating Turkish airspace, while the U.S. military calls on Russia and Turkey to negotiate and take steps to prevent escalation, Pentagon spokesman Mark Wright told RIA Novosti.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160131/1367784011.html#ixzz3ynhUvmIg
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 31 January 2016 10: 27
        +6
        Quote: Serg 122
        The Pentagon confirms Ankara’s allegations of alleged violation by the Russian military plane of Turkish airspace,


        Only the Turks have not yet been told where. laughing
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 31 January 2016 08: 49
    24
    And interestingly, the Americans immediately picked up this nonsense and said that there was a violation! And NATO, too, testified that it was worthless to violate the borders of NATO (Turkey) ... BUT - no one provided anything where there was a violation, how much, how much. From the ground to recognize at such heights at which our planes operate is almost impossible. You need visual confirmation from another plane that wasn’t ...
    Morality - they just try to piss off themselves in the hope of a slip of the tongue according to Freud, so that they can rinse the "confession" for a long time request
    Oh yeah, also Erdogan himself wants to blanch on this subject what So who doesn’t give: officially apologize to the whole world, pay moral (help to the families of the deceased) and material (lost plane) costs and voila - then you can talk about something lol
    And so the foam at the mouth, the invented violation and immediately similar "arrows" lead to a very strange feeling, is not all this just another move of the Western, deceitful, cynical and hypocritical propaganda ... winked
    Personally for me, so I would say - evidence on the table and at the same time a barely perceptible smirk would not leave my face. And I would wait. Time puts everything in its place ... hi
    1. perm23
      perm23 31 January 2016 09: 00
      10
      Most likely they are preparing a new provocation. A new blow to our aircraft. While preparing the way for an information attack later. Say we warned and Russian again.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 31 January 2016 09: 20
        +5
        Well, the bombers alone do not fly, and S-400 radars, which cover almost the entire border with Turkey, will warn about the approach of the enemy from the side. So ready already wink
        No, in my opinion it smacks of simple pressure based on lies, designed for a short-term response and intended for the ears of the western electorate to escalate anti-Russian hysteria hi
        Simply put - take on show-offs lol
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 31 January 2016 09: 52
          +6
          "There were no violations of Turkish airspace by planes of the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic," Konashenkov said. He noted that the radars that control the airspace can only record the height, course and speed of an object in the air, but none of such radars is able to establish the type and nationality of an air object. This is only possible with the help of "direct visual contact from another aircraft that was not there." "To speak seriously that with the help of these radars someone else was warning someone in" Russian and English "can only be illiterate propagandists who have seen enough of Hollywood action movies," Konashenkov said.
          http://rg.ru/2016/01/30/granitsa-anons.html
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 31 January 2016 10: 40
          +3
          Quote: Rurikovich
          Simply put - take on show-offs


          Let them take each other to show-off, and it's time for us to take these "mad cows" by the udders: Appeared over the Syrian territory "without due consent" - collect debris and black boxes over there in the corner. It's time, oh, it's time to show that there is no place for anyone except for the Syrians and the Aerospace Forces: neither ISIS, nor moderate, nor reckless ...
          1. cergey51046
            cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 36
            +1
            Anyone with weapons in their hands are illegal armed groups, while moderates go to demonstrations with flags in their hands.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 31 January 2016 10: 02
        +8
        Quote: perm23
        Most likely they are preparing a new provocation. A new blow to our aircraft. While preparing the way for an information attack later. Say we warned and Russian again.

        I can also smell it ... I hope our people are ready to respond adequately, but the main thing is that the nose’s nose does not undermine ...
        USA and Israel provoke Russia into conflict with Turks! (in Ukraine it didn’t work out ..) You have to be extremely careful ...
      3. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 31 January 2016 10: 27
        +1
        Quote: perm23
        Most likely they are preparing a new provocation. A new blow to our aircraft. While preparing the way for an information attack later. Say we warned and Russian again.


        SU-34 is not SU-24, the Turks will be able to feel the difference, if that.
        1. perm23
          perm23 31 January 2016 15: 48
          0
          If our guidance posts do not have time to detect and warn pilots. There’s at least some plane. The enemy is ready to emerge a blow and to the side. All hope for tracking and radar detection, so as not to blink. I think we can see the enemy on the radar in Turkey and give an alert.
          1. cergey51046
            cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 31
            0
            There S-400, read TTD. Not only the plane, but the rocket will not fly.
          2. ZKB
            ZKB 31 January 2016 23: 36
            0
            Quote: perm23
            If our guidance posts do not have time to detect and warn pilots. There’s at least some plane. The enemy is ready to emerge a blow and to the side. All hope for tracking and radar detection, so as not to blink. I think we can see the enemy on the radar in Turkey and give an alert.


            The AFAR rear-view radar is located in the container between the engines and allows you to detect Su-34 attacks in the rear hemisphere by missiles, while the rear-view radar countermeasure supports the attack fighter firing by pointing a special RVV-AE [36] air-to-air missile launched from the Su -34 in the rear hemisphere to attack the attacking fighter without wasting time maneuvering to destroy it.
            Since rear-view radars with the support function for launching missiles into the rear hemisphere are a rather unique technology, which the most common (F-36 [15], F-39 [16]) and even promising (F -40 [22], Eurofighter Typhoon [41]) NATO fighter-bomber
  • Papapg
    Papapg 31 January 2016 08: 53
    +7
    I watched "Euronews", so there they are presented differently, and by their behavior it is clear that the Turks are "on horseback", they boast.
    And what about the Kurds, absolutely no air defense? Something to advise them ...
  • Amurets
    Amurets 31 January 2016 08: 54
    21
    I congratulate the Turks on the invention of a radar that shows not only the target pack, but the model, vehicle number, departure time and the name of the ship's commander, as well as the route and flight mission. Because, apart from Erdogan, no one has seen this plane in Turkey, not even Turkish air defense personnel. It was on the news an hour ago.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 31 January 2016 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Amurets
      Congratulations to the Turks on the invention of the radar ...

      And he speaks Russian and English. laughing laughing laughing
  • V.ic
    V.ic 31 January 2016 08: 56
    +4
    A point, then the "Sultan", bench press, whined ... Previously, it was necessary to "turn on" the brains.
  • PKK
    PKK 31 January 2016 09: 11
    +2
    Fuck him and not Putin. Send him Surkov and let him apologize as much as he wants.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 31 January 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      .Send him Surkov and let ...


      Send him an American skunk and let him ... wants - apologizes, wants - sniffs ...
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 31 January 2016 16: 47
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        Send him an american skunk


        Are you talking about Maxim? They would have considered such a statement racist! laughing
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      3. cergey51046
        cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 26
        0
        Better Zhirinovsky, he quickly put everything in its place.
  • 1536
    1536 31 January 2016 09: 13
    +4
    Why not meet. Only a meeting needs to be organized in the Russian Crimea. Right in Simferopol. It is possible in Kerch, or in Feodosia. You are welcome, comrade Sultan.
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 23
      +1
      Why do we need to screw up Crimea? Let him submit his proposals in writing. There is nothing to negotiate with enemies, they must be destroyed.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 31 January 2016 09: 14
    +1
    GDP is a busy man! There will be time and desire - can and will answer. There is no time for him, for nothing, to be distracted!
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 31 January 2016 09: 18
    +2
    And why didn't they shoot it down this time, if there was a violation? "Drying" was shot down, although he did not violate the border
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 21
      0
      They cannot, the S-400 is guarded.
  • parafoiler
    parafoiler 31 January 2016 09: 20
    +4
    Maybe Erdagashka considers that part of Syria, where ours fly, already a chopped off slice and part of Turkey ?! Harya will not crack ?!
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 20
      0
      So all because of this Syrian piece that Turkey wants to appropriate.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 31 January 2016 09: 26
    0
    Do not deprive Erdogan and his Nazi accomplices of the opportunity to drown in their own manure.
  • tehnokrat
    tehnokrat 31 January 2016 09: 30
    +6
    "Erdogan wants to personally talk to 'respected Putin'"
    Oh, a lying and unworthy vassal of a striped flag, imagining himself Suleiman the Magnificent!
    It did not fit the Russian Emperor to talk with people like you.
    And you cannot know how to petition, oh, donkey and donkey's son.
    The Emperor once; he will call when you need it.
    1. fox21h
      fox21h 31 January 2016 12: 29
      0
      Quote: tehnokrat
      "Erdogan wants to personally talk to 'respected Putin'"
      Oh, a lying and unworthy vassal of a striped flag, imagining himself Suleiman the Magnificent!
      It did not fit the Russian Emperor to talk with people like you.
      And you cannot know how to petition, oh, donkey and donkey's son.
      The Emperor once; he will call when you need it.

      The GDP will not even talk to this donkey, it’s not a handshake, but the GDP, if you decide something, then don’t care who and what it wants, talk or something ...
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 16
        0
        Totally agree with you.
    2. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 18
      0
      It is necessary to send Zhirinovsky for negotiations. Look what will happen.
  • Million
    Million 31 January 2016 09: 30
    0
    I had to meet earlier
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 31 January 2016 13: 34
      0
      so gdp did not pick up
    2. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 31 January 2016 13: 34
      0
      so gdp did not pick up
  • Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 31 January 2016 09: 34
    -2
    Quote: V.ic
    A point, then the "Sultan", bench press, whined ... Previously, it was necessary to "turn on" the brains.

    Most likely the farther will be bargained ... now we need to squeeze out apologies and compensations from this city, and only then talk about the affairs of the mournful and pressing ... am
  • BOB044
    BOB044 31 January 2016 09: 34
    0

    "The Turkish Foreign Ministry said that a Russian military aircraft violated Turkish airspace on Friday," Reuters writes. In a statement, the agency "called for a stop to violate the airspace" of the country.
    Now they tried, as on November 24, to do this plane. The S-400 would put all points over I. With you erdogashka, President of the Great Country of Russia Vladimir Putin is unlikely to want to meet. You are just shallow and you are zero without a wand. hi
  • askort154
    askort154 31 January 2016 09: 37
    +7
    The success of our aerospace forces in Syria is striking the prestige of the entire coalition from 65 countries, which includes Turkey.
    Logically, if everyone is interested in the defeat of ISIS, then why raise a howl on the occasion of "border violation" for 20-25 seconds, even if it happened. The plane "works" in the border zone and what is special if it struck with a plane. He did not drop bombs on Turkish territory. And that
    the Russian Aerospace Forces "works" there, the whole world knows. And instead of providing assistance to our videoconferencing
    in the defeat of DAISH and say, guys, work as you like, if only your bombs do not fall into our garden, they need to present Russia as an aggressor constantly violating the borders of a peace-loving NATO country. The Syrian army is slowly taking control of the border zone with Turkey, cutting off oxygen to Erdogan's desire to take this area under him. Erdogan - lies and whines. And the "West", of course, "believes" him, because it is in their interests. Infowar - "Russia is the aggressor"!
    1. Theline
      Theline 1 February 2016 19: 48
      0
      Imagine that planes of another state are flying in your border zone and "striking the surface."
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 31 January 2016 09: 49
    +2
    Well, man of the crescent, try to meet the GDP. I don’t think that this option caught our president by surprise. Surely there are some "homework" for this occasion. We look. Part two, act one: "Songs of Erdogan".
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 14
      0
      Meet enemies in the ring.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 January 2016 09: 50
    +2
    How they began to lie together! Like "Hold me seven, otherwise I'll tear it, tear it like Tuzik a heating pad, rrr ..." Well, they would have shot, for verification. Nothing? Turkish air defense is one laugh, but did not dare to raise fighters? Well, then whine further ... The VKS will help defeat the barmaleev before your negotiations in Geneva reach the stage of a constructive dialogue.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 16: 47
      +1
      Afghanistan has been bombed for almost ten years ...
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 10
        0
        So they bombed Syria, and whom did they just not bomb? They can only talk, but they can’t bomb, everything is past the target, either a hospital or a substation.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 January 2016 09: 55
    0
    Your place, Mr. Erdogan, near the bucket ..
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 31 January 2016 09: 55
    0
    Something the sultan became quite bad, some inconsistent, nervous, twitching ... fool
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 31 January 2016 14: 25
      +3
      Quote: Observer 33
      Something the sultan became quite bad

      It is necessary to translate the words from the song "If I were a Sultan ..." from the film "Caucasian Captive" and send it to Erdogash, let him learn the text.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 January 2016 09: 57
    0
    Let him scream, let him demand, it is his right.
    And our right to demand evidence of his allegations.
    It strains the indispensable desire to meet in person ...
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 08
      -1
      Meet in the ring. Many would agree to watch.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 January 2016 10: 00
    -1
    Such irresponsible steps, in which we see an escalation of the crisis, are not beneficial either to Russia or to NATO-Russia relations,

    Aw, pug.
    To know she is strong ...
    Where is Abama listening ???
    This trait is already making statements on behalf of NATO.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 January 2016 10: 03
    +1
    The next, established only by Erdogan, the "fact" of airspace violation under the singing of the United States, is a simple pretext for an attempt to meet with VVP. But for the tricky fifth point there is always a device with a screw. The Turks have not yet received what they deserve, so Erdogan shouldn't pollute the atmosphere.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 31 January 2016 10: 07
    0
    And that the holiday season is such a mutual thing, if they come to an agreement on compensation and punishment of the guilty on the one hand, the opening of a destination on the other hand, then on the one hand the budget will replenish, on the other, the rating will jump to heaven
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 06
      0
      It is necessary for our people who can travel to resorts to give 50% compensation for visiting the Crimea, and then they will not go to others. I personally will never go, because you can’t retire beyond the summer cottage, and even then you need to save.
  • Flat5160
    Flat5160 31 January 2016 10: 07
    +1
    The reason, which was not found, conveyed the news. Well done Turks, really apologize? Pipes! 100% will not apologize, he simply considers and cries, and not only money, but also losses in geopolitics.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 16: 50
      +1
      What are the losses? Knocked down and got away with it. Someone condemned? Maybe even Lukashenko or Nazarbayev? No one!!!! Serbia? China? Nothing like this.
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 02
        0
        We have no friends. But according to the behavior of Erdobarmaleya, it is felt that it did not come down.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 31 January 2016 10: 11
    +2
    I'm used to hiding behind nata, snake. The gut itself is thin, either to prove and show. Blaming everything is masterful. angry
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 20: 00
      0
      NATO will abandon him, just that. Who wants to fry in the fire of thermonuclear war?
    2. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 31 January 2016 22: 22
      +2
      Quote: afrikanez
      . Blaming everything is masterful. angry
      Accusation of a slander of discord. You blame the facts and evidence, there are no facts, a reservation. In politics, for a long time, I should know how to reinforce my words. Or is it because you have been engaged in idle talk for a long time?
  • KnightRider
    KnightRider 31 January 2016 10: 14
    +3
    And all this is happening against the backdrop of the upcoming talks in Geneva. Coincidence? I don’t think ... And here’s the answer: it looks like our regiment arrived in Syria soldier
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 31 January 2016 10: 16
    +4
    On the part of Erdogan, "to talk" - either belatedly apologizes, or incur additional problems from Putin.
    In general, the talk time has been irretrievably lost and the maximum that Erdogan can count on is to ignore what is happening so far. This alone is currently driving Turkey downhill and Erdogan is aware of his problems.
  • Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 31 January 2016 10: 22
    0
    If I were Putin, I would answer Erdogan in a profanity and non-diplomatic language. You all know what I would tell him.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 16: 53
      0
      Well, study, make a career, maybe when you find yourself in Putin’s place .. I won’t buy it ...
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 31 January 2016 10: 26
    15
    It’s good when the rat behaves with dignity, like a man.
    It’s bad when a person behaves like a vile rat.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 31 January 2016 10: 30
    +1
    "Erdogan wants to personally talk to 'respected Putin'"

    1. Apologies
    2. Compensation payment
    3. Extradition of the perpetrators of the killing of our pilot

    and ... maybe our President will speak with the leadership of Turkey, but, I think, not with Erdogan. He has already worked out rubbish.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 31 January 2016 16: 54
      0
      Quote: mamont5
      Extradition of the perpetrators of the killing of our pilot


      How? Well this is 100% but the Yankees were!
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    3. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 16: 55
      0
      This is decided by the people of Turkey
  • tomcat117
    tomcat117 31 January 2016 10: 43
    +3
    Either Putin is a "corrupt official and a thief," then he is a "respected and friend." All foreign nits overlaid the country, some gently lay, others harshly, the goal is one - to defeat Russia by any means.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 31 January 2016 22: 30
      +2
      Quote: tomcat117
      Either Putin is a "corrupt and thief", then he is a "respected and friend"

      And this is how the Washington director distributed the roles, so they all sing and play. Already accustomed, in another they can’t and can’t.
  • Jan2016
    Jan2016 31 January 2016 10: 51
    -2
    But does the border of Syria with Turkey not pass through the mountains? If you look at the map, the so-called border violations occur in mountainous areas. And here the S-400 is unlikely to help. Only escort fighters.
    1. lex locis
      lex locis 1 February 2016 10: 46
      0
      As already mentioned above, if the S-400 does not help, then the airport from which the aggressor took off will certainly not dodge the Caliber. And also the headquarters of the militants in Turkish territory, which planned this provocation, may not dodge ...
  • TeKuS
    TeKuS 31 January 2016 11: 02
    +2
    Summer is coming soon. There will be no tourists to erondondon their own huckster's head will be cut off.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 31 January 2016 11: 31
      -3
      In Antalya, from April to October, Expo 2016, even taking into account the absence of our tourists who rolled in 2014-15 from five to five ultraalls, an increase is expected.
      they will do their best to unwind their resort in order to fill it in 2017 without any exhibition.
      1. your1970
        your1970 31 January 2016 14: 14
        +3
        will there be no big increase from Europe, China, yes, maybe, but there is its own specificity. If ours opens Egypt (and apparently opens), the turks will go crazy from greed
        1. -Traveller-
          -Traveller- 31 January 2016 14: 48
          -5
          untwist for Europeans first of all. The price / quality ratio of Turkish resorts has not gone away + commissioning of new infrastructure + flying from anywhere in Europe is close (in comparison with south and south-east Asia for example) and inexpensive.
          Russia in any case could not provide solvent demand for Turkish resorts as before, so in any case, the Turks would need to reorient our share to others. Expo is very welcome.
          1. your1970
            your1970 1 February 2016 00: 43
            0
            And in Europe, someone did not know about Turkey as a resort? And in Europe, someone does not hear Erdogan screaming about the evil Russian?
            European tourists aren’t ours, you’d be free, you’re much more cowardly + refugees in Turkey ... There will be no big influx from Europe ....
    2. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 19: 43
      0
      I agree, I especially liked Herondondon.
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 31 January 2016 11: 18
    -3
    last time (October-November 2015) there were a lot of malicious comments about the carpet. now not visible. why?
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 31 January 2016 11: 24
    +3
    This Turkish louse, imagining himself a Sultan, is trying to intimidate Russia ?! Yes worthless to him! If he tries to buck, nobody from NATO will intervene for him. His shirt is closer to the body. The Yankees understand that for them it will mean the beginning of a war with Russia ... And they can talk with their tongues, do not switch their bags.
    1. DmitryK
      DmitryK 31 January 2016 17: 00
      -2
      He did not intimidate. He took and shot down. And nothing to him, and scoffs at our state.
    2. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 19: 40
      0
      Totally agree with you. The desert will remain from Turkey.
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 31 January 2016 11: 58
    0
    You never know who wants what? There is no excuse - let Erdogan, following the example of Euro-Hohl Semenchenko, engage in "Self-help".
  • koshmarik
    koshmarik 31 January 2016 11: 59
    +4
    It looks like Turok has gotten into history. Instead of becoming the "ruler" of Russian gas and keeping the whole of Europe on the hook, he will most likely have to leave the political scene altogether. And they also say that Erdogan is a smart politician, but in reality he is not a smart little dirty trick.
    1. -Traveller-
      -Traveller- 31 January 2016 12: 06
      -1
      finally, it’s we who imposed gas on him. and we didn’t succeed. even before the downed plane, the Turks did not particularly hold on to this project.
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 31 January 2016 19: 37
        0
        With enemies, Turkey is a NATO member, there should be no agreements, and do not turn your back on them, then you will not have to talk about a stab in the back. Scouts must know this.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 31 January 2016 12: 13
    +2
    Present charges, provide evidence. There is no evidence, be responsible for the bazaar.
    Enough with the cheap bagpipes to pull.
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 31 January 2016 19: 34
      0
      Cheap is Erdogan?
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 31 January 2016 12: 45
    +2
    Anyway, Erdogan will not say anything interesting to us, and he will certainly bear some heresy.
  • mvg
    mvg 31 January 2016 13: 11
    0
    Quote: wicked partisan
    Quote: atalef
    there will be no gas pipeline through Turkey
    Alexander. Homeland appreciated your contribution to this matter. You will receive the order upon returning from the mission.
    Why is Ro-odin-a ...
    Alex Eustace: hello! drinks

    And do you believe him? They killed our God!
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2016 13: 19
      +5
      Quote: mvg
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Quote: atalef
      there will be no gas pipeline through Turkey
      Alexander. Homeland appreciated your contribution to this matter. You will receive the order upon returning from the mission.
      Why is Ro-odin-a ...
      Alex Eustace: hello! drinks

      And do you believe him? They killed our God!

      Here she is a victim not only of the exam, but also of spiritual education.
      But I suppose, after all, wears a cross and at every corner yells about his Orthodoxy and religiosity.
      1. God cannot be killed.
      2. Not God, but the Son of God
      3. They didn’t kill him, he rose again
      4. Was it God's providence or did God give an opportunity to kill his son. if he hadn’t had a mission in this
      5. Well, I didn’t kill in general, but apparently my distant ancestors fulfilled the will of God and gave the opportunity to the Jewish Jesus to resurrect, ascend and tear off many nations of the World from idolatry, believe in the true God and covenants.
      In general - I could say thanks, but I'm not proud - I will survive. hi
  • -Traveller-
    -Traveller- 31 January 2016 13: 32
    -2
    I don’t understand why the two bosses will not meet? they would have talked behind closed doors, it does not oblige anyone to anything.
    1. lex locis
      lex locis 1 February 2016 10: 50
      0
      There are not two bosses, but 1 boss and a small six, with whom to talk is not to respect yourself ...
  • Boulochkin
    Boulochkin 31 January 2016 13: 40
    +1
    The sultan’s affairs are bad at all, he goes to such fakes. Well, he doesn’t want to meet you! (it was said: with accomplices of terrorism).)))