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Ukrainian saga on the supply of "Oplota-T" in Thailand continues

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Scandalous история on supplies of Ukraine tanks BM Oplot-T to Thailand has been lasting since 2011 and will probably not end soon - the dispatch of the third batch of armored vehicles, which Ukroboronprom promised to implement at the end of 2015, has again been postponed. This is reported by the blog. bmpd with reference to UNIAN.


One of the third party battalion BM "Oplot-T" under construction in Thailand in the assembly shop of the Kharkov State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant". Staged photo shoot, December 2015 of the year.

“On the third installment of Oplotov, delivery was literally postponed to the nearest 2016 period of the year,” Roman Romanov, the general director of Ukroboronprom, told the agency.

"The contract with Thailand for the supply of 49 tanks" Oplot "was signed in 2011 year, the total cost - about 250 million dollars. The first batch of 5 tanks was delivered at the end of 2013 of the year. In June, the concern 2015 performed the next delivery of 5 tanks, ”reminds UNIAN.

The contractual obligations were to be fulfilled by the Ukrainian side before the end of 2014. However, to date, Thailand has received only 10 tanks.

The contract is implemented by the Kharkov state enterprise “Plant named after V.A. Malysheva.

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State Enterprise "Malyshev Plant"
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  1. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 30 January 2016 08: 46
    26
    What is not enough plywood for abuse?
    1. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 30 January 2016 08: 53
      33
      They can only supply this to Thailand!
      1. Jan Krumins
        Jan Krumins 30 January 2016 10: 04
        10
        There are still fools to contact the maydans ...
        1. Simon
          Simon 30 January 2016 11: 39
          +4
          Pakistan has already rushed into their tanks and is no longer taking it. Thailand is next. laughing
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 31 January 2016 13: 15
            +1
            In the photo to the article: "Does he have a front sight at the end of the barrel ?!" laughing
          2. Kars
            Kars 31 January 2016 14: 37
            +1
            Quote: Simon
            Pakistan has already rushed into their tanks and is no longer taking it.

            Could you give me more details? What have you done? Why did you choose the Ukrainian MTO for your Al-Khalid tank?
      2. Vitaly72
        Vitaly72 30 January 2016 10: 16
        +5
        Ek tadpole did, armored toilets
        1. bort4145
          bort4145 30 January 2016 11: 15
          +8
          What is not enough plywood for abuse?
          Just do not have time: One part will be attached, two will fall off.
      3. WKS
        WKS 30 January 2016 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: 78bor1973
        They can only supply this to Thailand!

        In those in Thailand it will be very hot and stuffy, Thai tankmen will die without a fight.
      4. Evpatiy.
        Evpatiy. 30 January 2016 13: 15
        +3
        And what is it flowing from under him? Already locked in the parking lot? Probably forgot to make mounts for diapers!
      5. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 30 January 2016 17: 34
        0
        Quote: 78bor1973
        They can only supply this to Thailand!

        How brutal. Pure tin! laughing But judging by the pool under the car - this is really a dry closet for the outskirts of the generals. laughing
    2. Platonich
      Platonich 30 January 2016 09: 27
      +1
      No, rubber armor!
    3. GRAY
      GRAY 30 January 2016 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      What is not enough plywood for abuse?

      All the plywood has been handed over to the Antonov Design Bureau - you need to somehow nail up the windows in unnecessary workshops.
    4. Simon
      Simon 30 January 2016 11: 37
      0
      So the whole forest was allowed for firewood, not enough for plywood! belay laughing
    5. xenod55
      xenod55 30 January 2016 14: 31
      +4
      Plywood is probably enough, but the armor and everything else is visible bye-bye. 5 tanks a year, and only 49. That way another 8 years minimum. Thailand must impose 404 penalties on the country. Get your 250 lemons back and fine on top. Something like this.
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 January 2016 16: 46
        +2
        Quote: xenod55
        Get your 250 lemons back and fine on top

        What is the fine? What are you talking about ? From Ukraine, at least one dollar from the principal amount should be returned back, but the fine will not be discussed at all. The economy of Ukraine operates in a very interesting mode-mode of unilateral conduction. Money is sucked into the country like a vacuum cleaner and then lost.
    6. kolobok63
      kolobok63 30 January 2016 16: 43
      0
      Plywood in abundance, with armor sheets tight, and fuel for lads sitting in a motorcycle hi the compartment was not brought up ...
  2. avvg
    avvg 30 January 2016 08: 47
    11
    Is it possible that "good-quality" military equipment is still being produced in Ukraine? In my opinion, the "maydanutye" of Ukraine destroyed and squandered everything in Ukraine.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 30 January 2016 10: 16
      34
      Quote: avvg
      Is it possible that "good-quality" military equipment is still being produced in Ukraine?

      A bit of history
      in the mid-90s, there was a supply of 320 Ukrainian T-80UD tanks to Pakistan. The total amount of that contract is estimated at 650 million dollars.
      In the summer of 1996, Ukrspetsexport signed a contract with Islamabad for the supply of tanks, spare parts and after-sales service. The Pakistanis were attracted by the frankly bargain price of $ 1,5 - 2 million apiece, which is 40% cheaper than the serial Russian counterpart T-80. Ukrainian peddlers convinced Asians that the components of the tanks (80% of Malyshev products consisted of Russian-made parts) would be ordered and delivered in a timely manner. Pakistan made an advance payment of $ 68 million. Russia flatly refused to supply Kiev with guns, engines, thermal imagers, communications, and much more. In February 1997, the first batch of 15 Soviet tanks from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, previously pre-trained. The next batch already came with a new Ukrainian “filling”, which caused a scandal. After 10 shots, the cannon trunks were torn apart (Russian guns withstood more than 1000 shots), the turrets cracked due to shells falling, the engines stalled due to heat, spare parts had expired storage periods, etc. There was nothing left to smell of scandal and there was no way for Leonid Danilovich how to urgently fly to Moscow. Russia saved the Pakistan contract. Tacit consent was given for the supply by some Russian enterprises of nodes for Ukrainian tanks. How much we have earned from this agreement, and how many neighbors - history is silent
      And here is a new round. With the same nuances
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 30 January 2016 10: 23
        +7
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: avvg
        Is it possible that "good-quality" military equipment is still being produced in Ukraine?

        Russia saved the Pakistan contract. Tacit consent was given for the supply by some Russian enterprises of nodes for Ukrainian tanks. How much we have earned from this agreement, and how many neighbors - history is silent



        We are kind ... Who else has not used this, in turn, we will help everyone ...
      2. activator
        activator 30 January 2016 12: 36
        -6
        Quote: Vadivak
        After 10 rounds, the cannon trunks were torn apart (Russian guns withstood more than 1000 rounds), the turrets cracked from the impact of shells, the engines died out from the heat, the spare parts had expired storage periods, etc. Smell

        Where did the firewood come from? He worked with a man who was in Pakistan on tank tests, but he didn’t say anything about the torn guns of the split towers. And about more than a thousand shots, it’s too much, because I came across infa 700.
        1. activator
          activator 30 January 2016 14: 51
          0
          Do minusers in the case have something to say?
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. co-creator
          co-creator 30 January 2016 16: 05
          +5
          Quote: activator
          where are the woods? He worked with a man who was in Pakistan on tank tests, but he didn’t say anything about the torn guns of the split towers. And about more than a thousand shots, it’s too much, because I came across infa 700.

          About engines it’s a race. Pakistan wanted to take China to tanks of its production, but after the test I bought proven engines in Ukraine. From the assembly line or from the storage base, I do not know these engines.

          About the tower there is such a thing. Maybe they didn’t crack, but they were of poor quality. All armor was poured in the Russian Federation and Ukraine at that time could not master the technology.

          The hulls were old. since the USSR.

          On the gun. It holds 1000 shots. Ukraine decided to establish production in Sumy, but they turned out of such poor quality that production was closed. Nobody went to Bor, and the guns were taken from the NZ plant, which they had stocked during the USSR.

          It turns out that in addition to the engines, everything was assembled from Soviet spare parts. That is why Oplot cannot be put into production.
        4. piter-tank
          piter-tank 30 January 2016 17: 10
          +1
          As far as I remember, at least on the T-64, the warranty shot was 500 shots per gun.
      3. opus
        opus 30 January 2016 14: 02
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        In February 1997, the first batch of 15 Soviet tanks from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense, previously pre-trained

        Well, 15 pieces of Object478B and a new export version of 478BE Object were delivered.
        Quote: Vadivak
        After 10 shots, the cannon trunks were torn apart (Russian guns withstood more than 1000 shots), the towers were cracked by shells, the engines died out from the heat, the parts had expired storage periods, etc.


        hardly a 125 mm KBA3 so bad ...

        drive




        About
        Quote: Vadivak
        engines stalled from heat

        Al-Khalid Main Battle Tank (MBT) ....
        Ukrainian 6TD-2 liquid-cooled diesel engine propels the tank to a maximum speed of 70 kilometers per hour
        I do not think that the 6TD-1 model is worse ...




  3. venaya
    venaya 30 January 2016 08: 49
    20
    The stump of the country is able to produce only stumps of tanks. It is not such a simple task in the modern world to produce high-tech products without wide cooperation, it is only possible in a highly developed country with the development of absolutely all industries.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 30 January 2016 11: 22
      +4
      quote
      Quote: venaya
      The stump of the country is able to produce only stumps of tanks. It is not such a simple task in the modern world to produce high-tech products without wide cooperation, it is only possible in a highly developed country with the development of absolutely all industries.

      Yes, it’s not even a matter of the country's development.
      For 20 years of the collapse, Ukraine cannot renew the technologies that it possessed, there are no such capacities, there is no such personnel, but the desire to make money on the Soviet tank brand remains.
      So they’re boiling hulls of armor in the frozen workshops, and getting into the tropical climate they give cracks, as with the famous BTR-4E
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 30 January 2016 11: 55
        +4
        Iraq was also burned:

        BTR-4 vehicles were supplied under a contract between Ukrspetsexport and Iraq, which was concluded in 2009. This operation was called the largest in the history of independent Ukraine. In addition to the 420 armored personnel carrier, Ukraine pledged to supply Iraq with tanks and aircraft totaling $ 2,4 billion.

        However, problems with the contract began due to disruption of supplies of the first delivery of 26 combat vehicles sent by the Iraqi Ministry of Defense almost half a year late. The second batch of armored personnel carriers in the amount of 62 units was delivered to the customer a year and a half later - in November of 2012.

        Not only the Ukrainian side is guilty of the failure, but the Iraqi side. Specialists from Iraq did not come for testing, and then completely asked to postpone the acceptance of the BTR-4 to a later date. The first combined batch (26 machines) was accepted only in March 2011 of the year and April 20 was sent to Iraq. In early May of the 2012, the Iraqis began to accept the 2 batch of the 62 armored personnel carrier. Until the end of the year, it was planned to transfer to the customer the 3 batch of BTR-4 - 94 armored personnel carriers.

        By the beginning of the 2013 year, Iraq under this contract received only 88 armored personnel carriers (in two batches, 26 were shipped in April 2011 of the year and 62 in October 2012 of the year). The last batch of 42 vehicles that the SE Pacifica ship (Singapore flag, owned by White Whale Shipping) delivered to Umm Qasr port in the spring of 2013 was rejected. the receiving side showed cracks in the body of the APC (defects were discovered on the machines of the second batch, delivered in October 2012 of the year) and flatly refused to unload the APC ashore. The ship had to anchor in the middle of the Persian Gulf. Also, instead of the Ukrainian BTR-4, Iraq decided to acquire the Russian BTR-82.
      2. opus
        opus 30 January 2016 14: 19
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        That’s how they cook armored hulls in frozen workshops, and when they get into the tropical climate, they crack like the famous

        According to your logic, everything that is done on open slipways (Severodvinsk, St. Petersburg, etc.) would warp and crack?
        The aircraft carrier "Varyag" was not "cooked" in a greenhouse either, but until it "cracked" in the Indian Ocean. And what about the oil and gas pipelines of Siberia and Yamal?
        Drum welding: -20 ° C (--40) or + 15 ° C









        it's all about technology, equipment (we have a new Italian, Ukraine does not) and compliance with this

        but there is also "on the knee"


        The manufacturing process of the welded turret BMP China-quality seams inspire!


        1. APASUS
          APASUS 30 January 2016 15: 32
          +2
          Quote: opus
          According to your logic, everything that is done on open slipways (Severodvinsk, St. Petersburg, etc.) would warp and crack?

          According to my logic, some seams are cooked according to a certain temperature map and at the same time create a certain pre-stress, creating something like this in the cold does not work for any
          Quote: opus
          The aircraft carrier "Varyag" was not "cooked" in a greenhouse either, but until it "cracked" in the Indian Ocean.

          You are confusing grades of metal for the hulls of the vessel with armor for armored personnel carriers, there is some difference, as between Mercedes and LADA Kalina.
          So simple for a change
          1. opus
            opus 30 January 2016 17: 47
            0
            Quote: APASUS
            some seams are cooked according to a certain temperature map and at the same time create a certain pre-stress, to create something like this in the cold does not work for any

            I'm not good at welding, but if I use my brains, then
            1.When [b] the temperature of the arc column is 6000-8000 ° C or more. [/ B] ...
            Quote: opus
            Drum welding: -20 ° C (--40) or + 15 ° C

            For 8000grS the run -20 + 20 (40grS) DOES NOT PLAY ANY ROLE.
            Will the metal have -30grS or + 30grS there is no difference. Because the spread is LESS than 1%
            When it cools, there will be "crackling" and microcracks are possible.
            2.Flux and its "greenhouse" effect
            3. The electrodes are specially heated
            4. It is necessary to preheat the sheet:
            At NPP KLASS CJSC (Moscow), industrial tests of electrodes [b] TsL-64, [/ b] developed by OJSC NPO TsNIITMASH were conducted. The enterprise carried out [b] welding of armored steel 40KhSNMA with a thickness of 8 mm, without cutting into a joint and without preheating. [/ B] According to the test results, defects [b] were not found, high joint strength was noted. [/ B]
            [b] The workshop does not need to be heated. [/ b]

            RD 39-0147014-535-87 Instructions for welding during installation and repair of pipelines and critical metal structures in organizations and enterprises of the Ministry of Oil and Gas Industry

            [b] Selection and preparation of welding consumables for working at low temperatures
            [/B]
            2.31. When choosing welding materials for welding at low temperatures (Tables 7, 8), it is necessary to proceed from the fact [b] that the deposited metal should be resistant to brittle fracture, more viscous and ductile compared to the base metal. [/ B]

            Quote: APASUS
            You are confusing grades of metal for the hulls of the vessel with armor for armored personnel carriers

            and there and there steel.
            For reservation use SSSI 13/55 R or SSSI 13/65
            Bulletproof steel MARS 190 (France), ARMOX 370S (Sweden), 40ХСНМА

            ship 09G2 or 10HSND, unpretentious VSt3Sp. Here and compare "Mercedes" and "Lada" is it or not.
            St3sp (calm for deoxidation) - shipbuilding, VSt3sp, St3sp, St3ps (semi-calm) - shipbuilding.
            That it is shipbuilding (it is more difficult with it, because the dimensions [b] are larger than [/ b]), that the armor doesn’t care — if it WAS NOT “k” or “kp” (I forgot) - it is not suitable for welding [b] in principle. [/ b] There is St3, but sometimes St3k - the first is good, [b] the second is not.
            1. opus
              opus 30 January 2016 17: 49
              0
              [/B]
              Quote: APASUS
              Mercedes and LADA Kalina.

              No, I don’t confuse. I brought the armored plate, shipbuilding here:

              WinSteel is an original software product that will help you find information on steel of any country in the world, as well as establish correspondence between domestic and foreign steel brands.

              Quote: APASUS
              So simple for a change

              did not impress
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 30 January 2016 20: 45
                0
                Quote: opus
                steel there and there. For armor use SSSI 13/55 R or SSSI 13/65 Bronestal MARS 190 (France), ARMOX 370S (Sweden), 40XSNMA

                Have you ever tried cooking SSSI 13/55?
                So far, how many Finns work, the electrodes are still being transported from England. And now, right at the beginning of the conversation.
                What specific reason do you think led the BTR case to such a sad state if it wasn’t a violation of the technology during welding. I understand that you are special in metals, so it will not be difficult to answer?
                1. opus
                  opus 30 January 2016 23: 27
                  0
                  Quote: APASUS
                  Have you ever tried cooking SSSI 13/55?

                  long time ago ... in 1986m. Then they (or an analog) were in accordance with GOST 9466-75
                  My welding "does not go". Hands are crooked probably.
                  Quote: APASUS
                  How much I work with the Finns, still carry electrodes from England.

                  And ESAB OK 48.00 (ESAB-SVEL CJSC, ST. PETERSBURG), which is essentially Colfax Corporation. ESAB Group-not satisfied? Average price in the Russian Federation: 135 rubles / kg
                  Quote: APASUS
                  What specific reason do you think led the BTR case to such a sad state if it wasn’t a violation of the technology during welding. I understand that you are special in metals, so it will not be difficult to answer?

                  1.For a start, of course not a specialist, but a typical "amateur"
                  2. My opinion the reason is banal: hire g @ apparently or a violation of the technology of cutting armor plate.
                  What did it have ...

                  Welding technology and its violation would "go" along the seam.

                  Let me remind you: KamAZ-43269 Shot (BPM-97)

                  After obtaining a export permit in 2005, several cars were sold to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. In the process of operation, a number of rather serious defects were revealed in the machines, which served as a reason for refusing to purchase an already manufactured batch of cars (cardan breakage, spring breakage, several cars have cracks in the armored plates).
                  Was it "not cold" in our shops in 2005?
                  3. Or, in general, something in the design (the designers) made up their minds.
                  In 1940, it was clearly not cold.
                  However:

                  Cracks are very similar to:

                  but here, after exposure to armor-piercing. And ukrov-xs ...
                  1. activator
                    activator 30 January 2016 23: 54
                    0
                    What spears lamaete violated the technology of armor steel because of which the production was transferred with a vine to Mariupol.
                    1. opus
                      opus 31 January 2016 00: 51
                      0
                      Quote: activator
                      What spears llama broken armored technology

                      do not break.
                      This is what I suggested
                      Quote: opus
                      My opinion the reason is banal: hire g @ apparently or a violation of the technology of cutting armor plate.
                  2. APASUS
                    APASUS 30 January 2016 23: 55
                    0
                    Quote: opus
                    Welding technology and its violation - would "go" along the seam

                    It didn't work, it's not about the welding itself, but about the stresses of the metal created during welding. In confirmation of my words, I will give an example that only "winter hulls" crackle
                    the probable cause of cracks is an unacceptably high level of welding stresses, due to both the absence of thermal tempering after welding and the inappropriate welding mode - if cooked in a cold shop, and, moreover, in drafts, the weld will cool much faster than it should be, resulting in metal thermal stresses will occur.
                    On the good side - after welding, the casing should be placed in a special chamber with a high temperature (200–300 degrees that way) and cool down slowly in it. But - this requires additional costs, primarily because of gas costs. As a result, KHKBM agreed with Hirschfeld that it would do so, maybe they would not fall apart. But in the f-tion KHKBM includes author's support of the pr-va. The most likely reason is the desire to save money, it is possible that due to the vacation, the production of buildings could be unprofitable for LKMZ. A characteristic detail is the “cracking” of the hulls cooked in the winter, in cold shops, and the summer ones are not subject to this. Drowning in workshops also requires gas, which at current prices also flies into an intricate penny.
                    Summary - problems with hulls are largely due to high gas prices and / or the greed of those responsible for the choice of hull technologies. Perhaps these very persons have extenuating circumstances - if everything is done "according to the mind" - the production of buildings may turn out to be unprofitable.
                    1. opus
                      opus 31 January 2016 00: 51
                      0
                      Quote: APASUS
                      if you cook in a cold workshop, and, moreover, in drafts, the weld will cool much faster than it should

                      I wrote, the difference in heat flow there will be LESS than 1% (cold shop or hot, but the draft is not blowing).
                      for 8000 grC does not matter
                      Quote: APASUS
                      A characteristic detail is the “cracking” of the hulls, cooked in winter, in cold shops, and summer ones are not subject to this.

                      I did not hear that.
                      it's a chatter, in my opinion. there is no such statistics
                      1. APASUS
                        APASUS 31 January 2016 10: 45
                        0
                        Quote: opus
                        it's a chatter, in my opinion. there is no such statistics

                        This is not a chatter - it's a fact! Even if the reason is not in welding, but it is a fact.
                        Statistics marriage, yes you that dear .............
                      2. activator
                        activator 31 January 2016 12: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: APASUS
                        Quote: opus
                        it's a chatter, in my opinion. there is no such statistics

                        This is not a chatter - it's a fact! Even if the reason is not in welding, but it is a fact.
                        Statistics marriage, yes you that dear .............
                        Sorry, that I’m interfering again, but it’s seemed to have already found out how the article was on a Ukrainian resource. I don’t remember just where, there are violations of the technology in the manufacture of rolled metal. Because in this case, the question arises of how to conduct welding work on armored vehicles in the winter.
                      3. activator
                        activator 31 January 2016 13: 11
                        +1
                        And as for the camera, it is simply impossible to weld the body for the time so that the seams do not have time to cool down and place in the chamber. Such a welding technology on such large details will not even be considered by anyone initially. I believe that we ourselves launched the version with violation of the thermal regime of welding, because if we admit that the steel is not suitable then this is another story here, respectively, and less resistance to breakdown of armor, etc. . etc.
                      4. opus
                        opus 31 January 2016 14: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: activator
                        And about the camera, it's just impossible to weld the body

                        nafig camera is not needed.
                        For the warming of the welded armor plates (yes Yelists in general), a banal electric current is used.
                    2. opus
                      opus 31 January 2016 14: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: activator
                      Sorry to interfere again

                      vice versa. You source can say hi
                      Quote: activator
                      Because in this case, the question arises of how to conduct welding work on armored vehicles in the winter.

                      what am I talking about:
                      1.Oil and gas pipelines of Yamal
                      Quote: opus
                      And the oil and gas pipelines of Siberia, Yamal?
                      Drum welding: -20 ° C (--40) or + 15 ° C

                      Quote: opus
                      According to your logic, everything that is done on open slipways (Severodvinsk, St. Petersburg, etc.) would warp and crack?
                      The aircraft carrier "Varyag" was not "cooked" in the greenhouse, but until it "cracked" in the Indian Ocean

                      2.T-34 tanks during 2MV
                      3.Problems with
                      Quote: opus
                      Let me remind you: KamAZ-43269 Shot (BPM-97)

                      Quote: opus
                      several cars have cracks in the armored plates).
                      Was it "not cold" in our shops in 2005?
                  3. opus
                    opus 31 January 2016 14: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: APASUS
                    This is not a chatter - it's a fact!

                    what are the reliable facts that
                    Quote: APASUS
                    Feature detail - “Crack” the hulls boiled in the winter, in cold shops, summer ones are not subject to this.

                    I about it.
                    They are not known to me.
                    If you have a share.
                    Just please do not need similar ones:


                    Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov

  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 30 January 2016 08: 52
    23
    Thais are masochists, no, to buy from those who quickly and with a guarantee deliver tanks and provide services, decided that life without problems is not for them!
  • WYCCTPUJIA
    WYCCTPUJIA 30 January 2016 08: 54
    +5
    The next visit to the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, about the OPA !!! hi
  • Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 30 January 2016 08: 56
    +7
    Thais, I feel sorry for you, you believe Khokhlov. Cried your money ...
  • Serg koma
    Serg koma 30 January 2016 08: 57
    14
    Without Soviet orders, the Kharkiv State Enterprise "Plant named after V.A. Malysheva ", as with the whole of the / on, finally turns into a sump ... Former Glory and Merit, everything is crossed out by" new history ".
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 30 January 2016 09: 48
      +4
      In addition, they tried to fit their tank to the NATO standard, which stained the uniqueness of the tank. Now he can’t shoot his guided missiles like his Russian brother! The barrel is then imprisoned under NATO, and missiles are fired in Russia!
      1. Forest
        Forest 30 January 2016 11: 36
        0
        In Ukraine, there is the production of its HFM under the calibers 90, 100, 105, 120 and 125 mm. In addition, Israel launches TOUR LAHAT.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 30 January 2016 14: 41
          +1
          Quote: Forest
          In Ukraine, there is the production of its HFM for calibers of 90, 100, 105, 120 and 125 mm.

          Only one question: what qualities are they and how much can they produce? If like tanks - 5 pieces a year ...
        2. Alf
          Alf 30 January 2016 17: 02
          +2
          Quote: Forest
          In Ukraine, there is the production of its HFM under the calibers 90, 100, 105, 120 and 125 mm. In addition, Israel launches TOUR LAHAT.

          In! He looked at xoxlam. Well, a fig about himself a new gun!

          Promising Ukrainian 140-mm tank gun 55L Bagira
          http://raigap.livejournal.com/

          Moreover, the new industry of the Ukrainian defense industry, despite its youth (as well as the armored production of Ukraine as a whole), turned out to be quite promising and creative in its development areas. This is confirmed by the development of the 55L Bagira tank gun for the promising 140-mm caliber. And if in the West and in Russia there is only talk about guns of this caliber, then in Ukraine it is already undergoing tests, and by the beginning of 2013 it was actually brought to the installation stage, both on promising and existing main battle tanks. Mostly due to the fact that the breech of the new gun is made in the size of existing systems of caliber 120 mm and 125 mm. From practical and export points of view, this is what distinguishes the new Ukrainian tank gun from similar-caliber systems currently being developed in other leading "tank" countries [7].

          Brought to the installation stage ... So where are the Ukrainian tanks with this most powerful cannon in the world? The question is rhetorical ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 30 January 2016 19: 11
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Brought to the installation stage ... So where are the Ukrainian tanks with this most powerful cannon in the world? The question is rhetorical ...

            Moreover, everything is much sadder here: after all, this very "bagira" is just a Ukrainian "adaptation" of the Swiss 140 mm cannon (which, by the way, was put on the Leopard-2 at one time, but unsuccessfully), that is, these bastards were produced in Switzerland , and the Ukrainians, in essence, tried to simply add them to the old Soviet "teshki". So it's just ridiculous to talk about some kind of "superiority" of the Ukrainians in the production of such weapons - ours, in the early 2000s, already had 2A83 - 152 mm (for Object 195), and the Americans and Euriks were putting 140 mm bandura on abrashi leo, so the Ukrainians with their 2013 are 10 years behind the world level)))))
          2. Forest
            Forest 30 January 2016 21: 21
            +1
            For Leo 2 there is an 140-mmka, for our tanks there is an 152-mmka - and they are not on production vehicles either.
  • Not_invented
    Not_invented 30 January 2016 08: 58
    +6
    What else can you expect from a country in which half of the companies' names begin with "UKR"?
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 January 2016 09: 00
    +9
    In fact: 1. Kharkov tank builders are experiencing difficulties in the production of new tanks. 2. It is not known at what pace the Ukrainian industry is repairing and modernizing tanks for its own army. 3. The Thais "got".
  • O. Bender
    O. Bender 30 January 2016 09: 01
    0
    In the photo is a barrel with a fly? Gee gee!
    1. spech
      spech 30 January 2016 10: 21
      +4
      just a mirror, the bend of the trunk shows (explanation on the fingers, please do not kick)
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 30 January 2016 10: 55
        +2
        Quote: spech
        just a mirror, the bend of the trunk shows (explanation on the fingers, please do not kick)

        Not just a mirror, but a laser emitter with a receiver.
        1. pts-m
          pts-m 30 January 2016 12: 35
          +1
          it looks like a video camera, probably take selfies during the shooting. only the cough did not realize that their face was not visible because of the closed tower hatches.
          1. opus
            opus 30 January 2016 18: 49
            +3
            Quote: PTS-m
            it looks like a video camera, probably take selfies during the shooting. only the cough did not realize that their face was not visible because of the closed tower hatches.

            You remind me of stubborn kaklov








            Such SeXperts
        2. uwzek
          uwzek 30 January 2016 12: 40
          +4
          Quote: GRAY
          Not just a mirror

          Just a mirror. The emitter with the receiver are in the tower ...
    2. opus
      opus 30 January 2016 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: O. Bender
      In the photo is the barrel with a front sight?

      bending meter reflector (UUI, OKIAS)



      and with us
      Quote: O. Bender
      Gee gee!





      pos.8


      Quote: GRAY
      Not just a mirror, but a laser emitter with a receiver.

      not. A laser is not needed here.

      either: The device contains two cameras and two video monitoring devices. One of the cameras is installed in the cavity of the housing, equipped with basic surfaces for installation inside the measured product. It is equipped with a clock generator and a video monitoring device equipped with a character generator, the inputs of which are connected to the output of the clock generator. and an adder, the inputs of which are connected to the outputs of the camera and character generator, and the output is connected to the input of the second video monitoring device.

      or: an optical-electronic displacement sensor, designed, in particular, for measuring the angle of bend of the axis of the gun barrel. It consists of a transceiver system including light-emitting diode with a condenser and a multiscan with a lens, a converter whose common input is connected to a common multiscan bus, an integrator, the first and second bias sources, pulse generator connected to LED. In addition, an angular reflector, aligned with a transceiver system, is introduced into it.

      or: a device for measuring deviations from straightness, containing motionlessly installed light source, a collimator and an angular reflector. a beam splitting unit installed during radiation reflected from the corner reflector, a position sensitive photodetector and a recording unit; in addition, a pentaprism with a roof, coupled follow-up drives with amplifiers, the inputs of which are connected to the output of the photodetector, and a converter are installed between the beam splitting unit and the corner reflector movements, the outputs of which are associated with the input of the recording unit (in the device "PIKA-AS1" FSUE "Plant No. 9")

      DEVICE FOR ACCOUNTING THE BEND OF THE STEM DU-125

  • valokordin
    valokordin 30 January 2016 09: 02
    +2
    Everything in Thailand, and Sabe trohi. And where is the breakdown, why not the Kharkov tank factory on behalf of Poroshenko, or Turchinov or Bandera.
  • Persistent
    Persistent 30 January 2016 09: 02
    +4
    Frankly boring !!! Figo with oil and not tanks put Kiev.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 30 January 2016 09: 04
    +7
    So it seemed like infa passed that Thailand broke the contract. Secondly, "Ukraine" does not now produce tank guns, tank engines (there are facts of smuggling of tank engines from the Yaroslavl Motor Plant). In addition, the production of tank armor is completely concentrated in the front-line Mariupol, it is not for nothing that the Ukrainians hold on to it.
    1. activator
      activator 30 January 2016 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: bistrov.
      So it seemed like infa passed that Thailand broke the contract. Secondly, "Ukraine" does not now produce tank guns, tank engines (there are facts of smuggling of tank engines from the Yaroslavl Motor Plant). In addition, the production of tank armor is completely concentrated in the front-line Mariupol, it is not for nothing that the Ukrainians hold on to it.

      I don’t know about the forests, but about the engines I think you’re wrong in Kharkov the full cycle of production of TDF engines and modifications is it good or bad, you can argue here before the corns on your fingers laughing And what are these Yaroslavl tank engines? what
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 30 January 2016 16: 14
        +1
        Quote: activator
        I don’t know about the forests, but in my opinion about the engines you’re wrong in Kharkov the full cycle of production of TDF engines and modifications is it good or bad, you can argue up to the corns on your fingers And what kind of Yaroslavl tank engines are these?

        Right Engines in Kharkov have always been their own. Even more than that, Ukrainians 1.500-1.800 made a strong engine before the Russian Federation for many years. There is even reason to believe that its reliability will be better than the Russian one.
        1. Alf
          Alf 30 January 2016 17: 10
          +1
          Quotation: blooded man
          Even more than that, Ukrainians 1.500-1.800 made a strong engine before the Russian Federation for many years.

          Ah, well done! What tank is it on? And is it mass-produced? And you can draw a lot ...
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 30 January 2016 12: 43
      +2
      Quote: bistrov.
      tank engines of the Yaroslavl Motor Plant

      And which tank engines does YaMZ produce? Tank engines make ...
  • aba
    aba 30 January 2016 09: 04
    11
    In five years they completed only the fifth part of the contract ... Yes-ah-ah-ah ... But so soon the Ukrainians will break all the Baltic records.
    1. gray_angel
      gray_angel 30 January 2016 11: 17
      +2
      It is strange that Ukrainians at least deliver something to the Thais - they say from Yanukovych ask for tanks request
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  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 30 January 2016 09: 07
    11
    The contract is implemented by the Kharkov state enterprise “Plant named after V.A. Malysheva.
    The plant is good and the brains are great. Tagil, Kharkov have always argued who is the best of the best. BUT there is no Antonov, there will be no Malyshev either. Fate. Competitors are not needed. As they say, nothing personal, just business. Someone loses, and someone wins. And now the leadership of Ukraine is not the body that cares about the welfare of each "member" of the population. Princip, don't open your mouth in a big family. Whoever is in power ate it.
  • Bath
    Bath 30 January 2016 09: 08
    +9
    Already got this bagpipe about (bro) and why the news of Paraguay does not print in importance so unambiguous
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 30 January 2016 09: 26
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: Bath
      Already got this bagpipe about (bro) and why the news of Paraguay does not print in importance so unambiguous

      Your brain could not stand such a stream of information)
      That's when it will become completely bad in Russia (I hope this will not happen), then you will see news from Paraguay, Uruguay, and from all banana republics hi
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 30 January 2016 09: 38
      +2
      Quote: Bath
      Already got this bagpipe about (bro) and why the news of Paraguay does not print in importance so unambiguous

      Yes, it’s not Paraguay, but rather Honduras.
      bully
  • Monos
    Monos 30 January 2016 09: 19
    37
    This Ukraine is already tired. News from a crazy house is not interesting.
  • LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 30 January 2016 09: 19
    +6
    After such a "high-speed" fulfillment of the contract, the Thais need to order AN aircraft.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2016 09: 23
    +2
    I think, while preserving the USSR, it would be necessary to make one main tank and not the 3rd, as it was before .. standardization! and not the fact that KhTZ would have kept the production of the T-64. Yes, and tanks on this scale are now not needed.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 30 January 2016 09: 25
    +4
    Generally surprised at how they managed to deliver 10 tanks. Nonsense!
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 30 January 2016 09: 31
      13
      Quote: afrikanez
      Generally surprised at how they managed to deliver 10 tanks. Nonsense!

      Duc, in three shifts, on four machines, but for one salary.
    2. uwzek
      uwzek 30 January 2016 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: afrikanez
      Generally surprised at how they managed to deliver 10 tanks. Nonsense!

      I am surprised to agree that the minimum cost-effective speed of production of a tank is a dozen per month. Otherwise, there will be nothing to pay the workers. Moreover, with such productivity, their salaries will simply be miserable - you will earn much more on the delivery of bottles. And the production of the tank requires the presence of workers of very different specialties.
      Delivered 10 cars - what was collected from the remnants of the backlog left over from Soviet times. There are no more hulls and towers, it is absolutely unrealistic to restore production with money from their sale (I’m about a dozen tanks). The whole amount of the contract paid in advance would not be enough for this (which, of course, no one does). The contract was concluded in other realities. We hoped for deliveries of the lion's share of equipment from Russia ...
    3. Albert1988
      Albert1988 30 January 2016 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: afrikanez
      Generally surprised at how they managed to deliver 10 tanks. Nonsense!

      Apparently just so many old 80s remained in the warehouses, so they were scalded with all sorts of personal belongings, called "strongholds" and sent to the Thais. And then everything - either the T-80s in the warehouses ended, or they are there in such a state that hemorrhoids can be restored (and, most likely, both at the same time). So Malyshev's employees postpone deliveries, simultaneously feeding the customer with promises ...
  • Platonich
    Platonich 30 January 2016 09: 31
    +1
    Oh, now Ukrainians will trample to Thailand for free on their tanks! Crimea is closed to them!
    1. Foresterer
      Foresterer 30 January 2016 09: 46
      +4
      Well, yes, they opened a new silk road through 38 customs, rather in Thailand religion will change, than Ukraine will fulfill the contract.
  • TELEMARK
    TELEMARK 30 January 2016 09: 33
    +4
    Quote: O. Bender
    In the photo is a barrel with a fly? Gee gee!

    Integrated reconciliation control device.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 30 January 2016 09: 40
    +5
    Thais buried in full. Money bye-bye, dumb tanks, bo-bo head. Glory to Ukraine!
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 30 January 2016 09: 43
    +6
    Quote: s.melioxin
    The contract is implemented by the Kharkov state enterprise “Plant named after V.A. Malysheva.
    The plant is good and the brains are great. Tagil, Kharkov have always argued who is the best of the best. BUT there is no Antonov, there will be no Malyshev either. Fate. Competitors are not needed. As they say, nothing personal, just business. Someone loses, and someone wins. And now the leadership of Ukraine is not the body that cares about the welfare of each "member" of the population. Princip, don't open your mouth in a big family. Whoever is in power ate it.
    was good - squandered everything and brains too .........
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2016 09: 44
    +1
    in a similar way went the Poles with the PT-91. the tank is not bad, but without fully equipping at least one hundred tanks of its army, export will not be complete.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 30 January 2016 09: 45
    +3
    They are waiting for the promised three years, but the promised thirty years can be waited for.
  • Darkboy2012
    Darkboy2012 30 January 2016 09: 48
    +3
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: Bath
    Already got this bagpipe about (bro) and why the news of Paraguay does not print in importance so unambiguous

    Yes, it’s not Paraguay, but rather Honduras.
    bully

    do not offend Honduras !!)
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 January 2016 10: 05
    +5
    It’s already a year of delay, and the obligations are fulfilled by one fifth. Which tanks were shipped in 2015 - this still needs to be checked - are they capable of moving independently; otherwise they would not be returned.

    What can I say?

    Speech of Svidomo Ukrainian: "Revolution of hydency, Crimea, ATO, Crimea, Russian nuclear aggression, Crimea, association with the EU, Crimea, give more money".

    Objective reality: "Defense industry liquidated de facto; soon even the repair of Soviet technology will become impossible (because they are repairing by understaffing the reserve); APU acquires features of a gang of beggars, looters and extortionists"



    1. uwzek
      uwzek 30 January 2016 13: 12
      +2
      It’s actually funnier. In Ukraine (like ours), foreign contracts for the supply of arms are not concluded by manufacturers, but by government agencies, which the Malyshev plant is now paying forfeits for disrupting supplies to Thailand ...
  • hartlend
    hartlend 30 January 2016 10: 07
    +3
    It looks like Thailand threw. That's what it means to buy very cheaply. Would have bought in Russia, would have long been with tanks.
  • code54
    code54 30 January 2016 10: 20
    +1
    What is so unique about these strongholds? Can someone briefly explain?
    1. chikenous59
      chikenous59 30 January 2016 10: 29
      +4
      Quote: code54
      What is so unique about these strongholds? Can someone briefly explain?

      There is nothing unique except an attractive price.
      Although our tanks are also far from the most expensive. Apparently they wanted to take for comparison, but
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 30 January 2016 10: 55
      +1
      What is so unique about these strongholds ?,
      you still do not understand this very uniqueness? the colony country is trying to build a cheap tank, which it is not able to supply its country, also applies to the armored personnel carrier.
  • Margadon
    Margadon 30 January 2016 10: 25
    +3
    Quote: Vadivak
    And here is a new round. With the same nuances


    I hope that this time Russia will not help.
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 30 January 2016 11: 12
      +3
      No, you need help ... specialists from KhTZ move to Russia ...
  • izya top
    izya top 30 January 2016 10: 50
    +3
    has "dung" already entered the international market?
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 30 January 2016 11: 18
      +4
      Quote: izya top
      has "dung" already entered the international market?

      Secret negotiations with Moldova are in full swing. laughing
      1. Simon
        Simon 30 January 2016 11: 54
        +1
        And what they called him "dung"? What is he carrying manure or will he carry? recourse laughing
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 30 January 2016 17: 17
          +1
          if I’m not mistaken, this is an abbreviation of its dill name))) either Azovets or Novoazovets)) Well, it’s really intended to carry the truck. Yes, and money will not be raised for him and will never be built
        2. LÄRZ
          LÄRZ 30 January 2016 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Simon
          And what they called him "dung"? What is he carrying manure or will he carry?

          To mine. Or shoot. wassat
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 January 2016 14: 32
      +2
      As a heavy infantry fighting vehicle - this product is very much protected even, but the price is like a tank.
  • Alex ..
    Alex .. 30 January 2016 11: 05
    +3
    Well, how is it any different?
  • svp67
    svp67 30 January 2016 11: 19
    +1
    Oplot's adventures in Thailand .....
    1. flay
      flay 30 January 2016 15: 55
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Oplot's adventures in Thailand .....

      I honestly say a weak "tank guide", but something on the 2nd video is the sound of the engine ... I would say like a disabled woman (motorized carriage SZA, for disabled people of the Second World War, Soviet times produced by the Serpukhov plant). And the tank is obviously driving as if they were holding it by the hitch.
      Or am I out of my mind?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2016 11: 21
    +2
    For five years, gullible Thais evrokrintsy new format brainwash. And they will continue to hang noodles until the end of Ukraine, when there will be no one to ask. Obviously, tanks are not in a hurry for Thailand, which is why they are still suffering.
    1. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 30 January 2016 12: 16
      +2
      Thais simply have already seen how these individuals repay debts. Now they are silent, what can I say!)))
      1. uwzek
        uwzek 30 January 2016 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: RUSOIVAN
        Thais just saw how these individuals repay debts

        Ukraine is unlikely to owe anything to Thailand (perhaps part of the advance payment with some percentage penalty). But the plant them. Malysheva - long ago, as a bankrupt, he passed into the ownership of the Ukrainian analogue of our Vasilyeva (in a post a little higher, I already explained the reasons).
    2. TOR2
      TOR2 30 January 2016 13: 04
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Five years to trusting Thais, Eurokrintsy new format brains

      Thais example other science
      oh my god what a bore
      ukra repeat and day and night
      execute everything without wiring
      sad to send them money
      sigh and think to yourself
      when ... lol
  • wow
    wow 30 January 2016 12: 33
    +2
    "... do you hear the cowboy cut the fly off his fart, otherwise it will be very painful ..."
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 30 January 2016 14: 49
      +1
      And often do you use similar vocabulary like that when talking to strangers?
  • Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 30 January 2016 12: 44
    0
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Thais are masochists, no, to buy from those who quickly and with a guarantee deliver tanks and provide services, decided that life without problems is not for them!

    I would like to ask the "general": is such a spelling treatment a position in life or the results of absenteeism? Believe me, it is uncomfortable to read messages written in such "Albanian" language!
  • boroda64
    boroda64 30 January 2016 13: 17
    +2
    ....
    - Bastion
    - from the word
    - Payment ..
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 30 January 2016 13: 31
      +2
      It has long been clear that Ukraine is bankrupt and the fact that Thailand "contacted" it most likely happened under pressure from the United States, which wanted to thank Kiev for its position during the 08.08.2008 conflict and the participation of the Ukrainian military in a coalition with Washington during the "Iraqi campaign". Hence, apparently, the pressure on Baghdad in order to purchase an armored personnel carrier in Ukraine.
      And if the contract for the supply of tanks to Pakistan, Ukraine and pitch is fulfilled since not so much time has passed since the "destruction" of the USSR and its factories and design bureaus were, so to speak, in the "very juice", then the independent supply of even such a scanty amount as 49 vehicles in today's conditions she is unlikely to master.
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 30 January 2016 13: 39
    +2
    All Ukrainian essence in such scammers ... whom they, in history, have not yet thrown and betrayed? and they didn’t cheat behind you? You know? ... enlighten, maybe I'm wrong ... there are only confirmations in my memory.
  • Awaz
    Awaz 30 January 2016 13: 55
    +2
    why are they making their super tank based on 80s and not 64? It seems that they sang that their 64 is the most super tank in the world ...
  • Oml
    Oml 30 January 2016 16: 15
    +1
    Avaricious pays thrice !!!
  • piter-tank
    piter-tank 30 January 2016 17: 06
    +1
    “The contract with Thailand for the supply of 49 Oplot tanks was signed in 2011, the total cost is about $ 250 million. The first batch of 5 tanks was delivered at the end of 2013. In June 2015, the concern completed another delivery of 5 tanks "

    Their capacities are steep - as much as 2,5 tanks per year. And coolies there, like Rolls-Royce - hand-built!
  • mamont5
    mamont5 30 January 2016 19: 22
    0
    Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
    What is not enough plywood for abuse?

    Theoretically, they can "make" hulls (take from the mothballed T-80), but where to get the trunks ... Again from the mob reserve, if there are still left. I am completely silent about protection and electronic filling.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 30 January 2016 21: 49
    0
    Quote: avvg
    Is it possible that "good-quality" military equipment is still being produced in Ukraine? In my opinion, the "maydanutye" of Ukraine destroyed and squandered everything in Ukraine.

    This is a modernized T-64B, but in the Ukrainian version. I don't know what is there at the Malyshev plant, but let's say large-diameter gear wheels for gearboxes, they ordered from Motor Sich. I dare to assure you that the defense industry (like the rest) in Ukraine is in complete collapse. I already described this situation two months ago.
  • chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 31 January 2016 06: 36
    0
    And what? Nema shche garnoy pisni at the kobzarei with the bandura? Nehay spavayut, yak "strongholds" plow the expanses of Thailand! And the Thais hear and, most importantly, they BELIEVE that the myth will come true! But about the penalty for late delivery and non-delivery in general, let them not ask. They are not the guys to pay off debts!
  • Nirag013
    Nirag013 31 January 2016 08: 45
    0
    Quote: opus
    Drum welding: -20 ° C (--40) or + 15 ° C

    Oh don't tell me! As a welder with 27 years of experience, I declare to you that this is somewhat different. Have you ever heard of preheating to a certain temperature before welding (depending on the ambient temperature and the metal itself)? And I can say that I do this every day. Although it is necessary to cook not armored steel, but simply high-strength steel.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 February 2016 05: 33
    0
    It’s interesting about steel, I read it ...
    Well, about Ukrainian tanks ...
    After all, Ukraine has not been punished severely for the failure of contracts or obligations?
    Therefore, she creates such garbage. And besides, back in 2013 year
    it was clear to everyone that she was under the cover of Russia.
    Which was taken to solve part of her problems.
    Well, apparently now, out of habit, they do not press on Ukraine in terms of implementing the agreements.
    But apparently they will conclude contracts with her less and less reluctantly.