McCain seeks a total ban on the use of Russian RD-180 in the US

Senator John McCain submitted to the US legislators a draft law banning the use of Russian-made RD-180 engines in the United States, reports RIA News.

"The senator introduced this bill to the Senate," the republican office said.

Earlier it was reported that the senator is preparing a bill banning the space industry in the US to use Russian engines.

A statement appeared on McCain’s website, in which he called his project “essential to make sure that the United States does not depend on Vladimir Putin’s regime for guaranteed access to space.” "From a moral point of view, it is outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it is simply foolish to ask American taxpayers to subsidize the Russian military-industrial complex," he added.

“RD-180 is used in the first stage of American Atlas missiles, and while the US industry does not produce analogues,” the agency reminds.

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[Burmistr]

Correctly achieves!

[cniza]

Quote: Burmeister

Correctly achieves!

The first step on the trampoline according to Rogozin.

[Baikonur]

Of course, I would also like to send to ... the United States vyser-McKein along with all the United States, but the engines must be put somewhere! All the same, Dazhenka for JSC NPO Energomash named after Academician V.P. Glushko

PS: By the way, he studied at school number 187 (4) them. V.P. Glushko, the city of Leninsk (Baikonur)!
Hello to all of us!

[vorobey]

Quote: Baikonur

Sshakalsky vseer-McKein, but the engines somewhere must be put somewhere!

we don’t have to put the engines somewhere, but space is not accessible to them without our engines ... so McCain is getting it right .. I’d also give him a medal .. - for NASA’s funeral

[just exp]

I advise you to read the history of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.
I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us. it's just stupidly cheaper here.
and no one will bury NASA with the abandonment of our engines. it’s just that the money for the engines will be received by the Americans, not us.
don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.

[max702]

Quote: just explo

read the story of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.
I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us. it's just stupidly cheaper here.
and no one will bury NASA with the abandonment of our engines. it’s just that the money for the engines will be received by the Americans, not us.
don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.

How smart you are however! Now tell me, what do these rockets on our engines with the Americans put into space? Have you thought about this? Or they saw green paper, and that's all happiness! They (the USA) are likely to exclusively launch rockets with civilian cargo into orbit, and no military programs! But is there anything that’s the main load, the satellites of military communications and target designation? And against whom is this product primarily intended? Have you thought about this? They then print pieces of paper as he likes, a trillion more they do not care! But we supply real material resources! But the most important thing you can imagine is that the Americans, on their shuttles, would launch satellites of the Russian Defense Ministry into space? And here is a very similar picture, so let them spend their resources distracting their working engineers from other projects .. You look where they are slowed down by the dispersal of forces and means. Well, about the money, Duc them in the country FALLED OUT! you listen to a smaller Ministry of Finance, and see more where the money is spent, see (88bn / dl in US securities) and if you are not too lazy to dig into the execution of the country's budget, for example, November 2015 surplus amounted to 10 trillion rubles How many RD-180 engines are these? There is a lot of money, questions to those who spend them so "talentedly" .. It's time to ask questions on the raster topic to these figures ..

[hartlend]

The decision to sell engines is in any case a political one, made at the top. Reasons do not tell us. Without reliable information, one can argue even to hoarseness, there will be no sense. If it was possible to break up the US space program with one ban on the sale of engines, it would have long been banned.

[just exp]

once again for the gifted.
if the United States abandons our engines - THEY WILL NOT STAY WITHOUT ROCKET ENGINES, THEY WILL TRANSFER TO OTHERS. I hope the caps will come more.
and American workers will receive the money, otherwise you probably think that in Russia the people have three jobs and pay millions that it is worth scattering hundreds of millions of bachels.
if you do not like the dollar, then I agree with you, we must stop selling gas, oil, weapons, food, they sell it for bucks.

[max702]

Quote: just explo

and American workers will receive the money, otherwise you probably think that in Russia the people have three jobs and pay millions that it is worth scattering hundreds of millions of bachels.

“He’s about cakes, but he don’t eat .. do you ..” Once again, for you especially gifted, what are these missiles being put into orbit? And how are they paying us? Tell me, with these dollars, can we buy technology, machine tools, electronics and much more that is vital for our country? NO! Everything is under sanctions, and even more, And at the same time (by selling the RD-180) we are increasing the US military potential of our main enemy. Thus, actually working for the enemy! We were not sold the pitiful Mistrals for fear of improving military logistics in Syria, and dummies for the training ground in Mulino, and we practically provide them with eyes and ears for their striking means! I have already written about money, read carefully, there is money, but the fact that they do not want to pay our enterprises and their employees is a completely different story, and supposedly their absence is not an excuse for bureaucrats holding power .. And once again let them (USA ) spend REAL resources, and not virtual zeros from the Treasury accounts, let them re-equip enterprises, let them train workers, organize production .. BUT these will be REAL costs, not virtual ones, as in the case of paying us back .. Which is easier to type on the keyboard or to launch production at a dozen other complex and expensive factories, because in relation to us, without selling us technologies and equipment, they force us to follow this path, which means it is profitable for them! So why is this path in relation to the United States not beneficial to us? The United States is doing very well, buying up the necessary resources for everything and everything for virtual money, do you need scientists? well, we find the necessary ones all over the world, we give a good salary (why, we print money ourselves and how much we want) and now scientists are available, do we need qualified workers? Everything is the same .. Machine tools, raw materials, and much more, all can be obtained without investing practically nothing! This is the main strength of the United States with its comrades! For this, the dictatorship of the dollar was created! I also understand that we would sell a batch of engines, and in return a line for the production of electronics .. But this is fantastic! You tell me this is a primitive barter! What is there to do? If they don't sell us anything worthwhile for a convertible dollar!
RS: Following your logic, the United States needs to sell nuclear weapons .. Why, they can buy from others, or produce something good themselves ..

[just exp]

stop selling oil and gas, otherwise they are selling for

Tell me, can we buy these dollars, technologies, machines, electronics and much more that is vital for our country?

in addition to the people, in addition to bread, they also want to see shows, and this, besides Pugacheva, also has other entertainments, for example, those that are on the iPhone or Samsung Galaxy, but they are bought for

Tell me, can we buy these dollars, technologies, machines, electronics and much more that is vital for our country?

just like for

Tell me, can we buy these dollars, technologies, machines, electronics and much more that is vital for our country?

food, spare parts for oil equipment, clothes, and yes, components for industry are bought.

[Scraptor]

Which ones? ... And in what time frame?

Yes, you have to stop. All this must be sold not for bucks but for rubles. They want to buy something in Russia - let them first buy rubles for their dollars and then buy our goods for these rubles. From this order, the dollar to the ruble will fall by half ...
Now, for some reason, it’s the other way around - not in their own country, they can buy for their money, which they simply print on their own, moreover, in a private non-state shop called FRS.

And they have nothing to replace the engines with - the Delta Atlas loses with them and, by the vibration resistance class, by no means can output everything.

[just exp]

quickly the tale affects, but not quickly the thing is done.
Russia is trying to throw off the dollar yoke and got Ukraine and a bunch of terrorist attacks. and it was hamsters like patriots who started yelling about bad Putin after that.

[Scraptor]

She just got it all. Well, now it’s time for it to drop this dollar yoke.

[just exp]

and this is what they are doing, BRICS is already giving up the dollar, settlements between some countries go to nat. currencies.

[Scraptor]

And in mutual settlements between the USA and the Russian Federation? Or just any export from the Russian Federation?
This is actually done all in one day ...

[Sirocco]

At the suggestion of McCain,

“From a moral point of view, it’s outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it’s just silly to ask American taxpayers to subsidize the Russian military-industrial complex”

I wanted to offer V to Zhirinovsky answer trolling. “From a moral point of view, it’s outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it’s just silly to ask Russian taxpayers to subsidize the US military-industrial complex”
But you said not in the eyebrow but in the eye.

Quote: max702

and see more where the money is spent, see (88bn / dl in US securities)

Well, in my opinion, since they ask to suspend, it is necessary to stop the supply of engines. Well, it’s not patriotic to her god, like that, Especially after the collision with Putin, with all sorts of allegations of corruption. It's time to click on the nose. Let them try to launch it on the YuMZ equipment, especially since the engineer from Dnepropetrovsk has been working there for more than a year for the good of the State Department. Maybe they'll fill up a couple more rockets in a hurry.

[dgiguli1962]

About smarter, at the moment in the US there is no analogue of these engines.

[vorobey]

Quote: just explo

don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.

Well, I really have to .. they were even on the moon, unlike us ...

Americans even have all the design documentation and technological ... but they can’t do it ... even stupidly copy ..

A brief chronology of the engine

January 13, 1996 - NPO Energomash was announced the winner of a competition for the development of a liquid-propellant rocket engine for the upgraded Atlas IIAR rocket company Lockheed Martin (USA).

June 5, 1996 - NPO Energomash and Pratt & Whitney signed a contract for the joint development and production of prototypes, testing and certification of the new Russian booster engine RD-180. On July 14, 1996, this contract entered into force after receiving the approval of the relevant government departments of the Russian Federation.

November 15, 1996 - the first firing test of the RD-180 liquid propellant rocket, developed for the first stage of the American Atlas IIAR LV, was conducted at the stand of NPO Energomash in Khimki.

July 29, 1998 - the first firing test of the RD-180 liquid propellant rocket as part of the Atlas III LV stage of the Lockheed Martin company at the stand of the Marshall Center in Huntsville, USA.

January 2, 1999 - the first production RD-180 engine was shipped to the United States.

March 31, 1999 - completion of certification tests of RD-180 LPRE.

May 24, 2000 - the first launch of the Atlas 3A launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

2001 - certification tests of RD-180 were carried out for use in the Atlas 5 launch vehicle.

2002 - certification tests of RD-180 were carried out for use in the heavy version of the Atlas 5 launch vehicle.

February 21, 2002 - the first launch of the Atlas 3V launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

August 21, 2002 - the first launch of the Atlas 5 launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

September 27, 2002 - a license agreement was signed to export to the USA a complete set of design, technological and test documentation for the RD 180 engine.

December 4, 2002 - licenses for the export of a complete set of technical documentation for the RD 180 engine under a license agreement were obtained.

and in NASA history is another NK 33 engine mentioned?

On April 22, 2013, the first successful launch of the Antares-Signus American private space transport rocket and space system took place. The Antares launch vehicle is designed to deliver the Signus private cargo spacecraft to the International Space Station ISS and was created by the American corporation Orbital (full name Orbital Sciences Corporation) as part of the efforts of the US space agency NASA to reduce the dependence on the services of Russian cargo transport spacecraft . Two US corporations Orbital and SpaceX won NASA's contracts for the delivery of cargo to the ISS.

And, most piquant, although it is not particularly advertised by the Americans, the Antares rocket-space system is launched into space using two powerful Soviet NK-33 rocket engines installed on its first stage, which were made 40 years ago for superheavy (weighing almost 3000 tons) of the Soviet lunar missile N-1. These engines were developed under the guidance of Academician Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuznetsov for the delivery of Soviet astronauts to the moon, and an unknown to the general public and directly detective story that continues to this day is associated with them ...

[just exp]

Americans and phones can’t do it, everyone in China is buying.
I’m thinking how and what needs to be written so that the people understand that the Americans buy these engines not because the Americans are stupid and can’t do their own, but because it’s cheaper to buy from us than a whole program to turn around about this.

[vorobey]

Quote: just explo

how and what you need to write so that people understand that the Americans buy these engines not because the Americans are stupid and can’t do their own, but because it’s cheaper to buy from us than our own whole program to turn around.

and we also have cheaper tanks and planes, and Chinese even cheaper understand what I'm getting at?

[just exp]

tanks are weapons where bookmarks are possible, in addition, our tanks and planes do not meet their application concept, but they are engines, there are no application concepts, there is just application.

[Persistent]

I advise you to read the history of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.

If the United States really (although I doubt it) were on the moon ??? Why do they need RD-180 ???

[Scraptor]

Because the F-1 was very unreliable and gave too much shaking during work.
also it can not be cut in half as a multi-chamber RD-171 ...

[Scraptor]

About how "reliable" he was and also about the "impressions" of the astronauts from the intense vibration he gave (they could not even see the dashboard) are easily searched on the Internet ...
Therefore, it’s not strange that something happened in Apollo 13, which was then attributed to other circumstances.

[NEXUS]

Quote: just explo

I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us

In order to develop and implement such an engine as RD-180 in iron, the United States needs at least 7 to 10 years, subject to financing, and it is not a fact that it will be at least approximately as reliable as our engine.
It's not just about money.

[vagrant]

I agree completely. Before rallying and shouting that we will not sell the RD-180 engines to America, we must first load the work and, most importantly, the purchase and payment from the state of the Russian OJSC NPO Energomash named after Academician V. P. Glushko. What can you offer the staff of this enterprise? Patriotism is good, but there is a need. And the brain of specialists needs to be fed very, very strongly. So when the state places an order long-term adequate and paid, at this enterprise, then and only then you can send amers on the road.

[RDX]

Interestingly, how did they even fly to the moon, where did their engines go?

[SANAY]

And I heard that these engines were written off in the dashing nineties, and at Energomash then the hand did not rise to destroy them, and then the Americans, as they will scream, "sell to us, sell to us - we don't have" they took and sold them. Otherwise, they could not sell, no one would die. I think the Americans will not listen to this evil grandpa. What then fly? And in general they have a space program with a smell. What are they launching with? On our. They announced a competition for the creation of the engine, but, excuse me, in order to create something like that, you need a school and experience with a forty-year history, but the satellites, they say, "more or less".

[seti]

All this is a PR action .. You need to spend too much money and spend too much time and effort. Brains are finally needed. Perhaps if they "take care" of this and strain, then in 10 years something sensible and create. But during this time we will not be one step but three steps ahead.

[Uran]

what kind of cattle is this mccain, just nothing human remains. Well, he will achieve his. and atlases will not fly. who is sick of this? it's just the wildest envy of the Russians that they managed to do what the Americans could not !! and this McCain we know how he fought and it’s a pity that he wasn’t shot in the trench by that Vietnamese in about the Vietnam War

[just exp]

I just can’t understand how it comes to someone in the cerebellum that the Americans cannot make the engine for the Atlas? and before that, did they launch the Atlas on a trampoline in space? and indeed, what kind of catapult did the Americans launch the same Apollo?
I understand there cheers-patriotism, Zadornov, blacks, but to consider that the Americans are all completely stupid at least idiocy.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Uranus

what kind of cattle is this mccain

Is it just McCain? In the video, each Merikasek beats his heel in the chest with a cry: We, professionals! And they lost to some boys from the backyard. And no one said that they lost, only looking for excuses. Like boys with dirty buttocks.
Rightly, some Soviet scientists despised the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which prided itself on preparing "professionals."

[poacher]

Oh, for sure, let the trampoline be mastered.

[vell.65]

Quote: poacher

Oh, for sure, let the trampoline be mastered.

Maybe Baba Yaga borrowed a broom?

[Sura]

Correctly achieves!

Well, as he will not seek, most likely he has a controlling stake in the trampoline factory, nothing personal, business.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Burmeister

Correctly achieves!

Indeed, the comrade is on the right track.
Although, for me, the manufacturers of engines for rockets could have long been in a position to declare that sanctions hinder production. But we are used to the fact that everyone thinks of his own skin.
It was: Oh, there will be no orders, the company will die. And the fact that due to sanctions other enterprises either perish or are on the verge of perishing is nothing to worry about.
To deprive urgently of engines, to deprive of urgent flights to the ISS, especially since the majority of the ISS does not belong to Russia. And they, otherwise, can probably sing.

[Black Colonel]

Strongly agree with you! +

[Simon]

Yes ... well, apparently the Vietnamese had moved their healthy cuckoos at the time, because he did not want to help his American homeland complete the space program. Russia will not lose anything in this, we already have three cosmodromes, our designers will find the use of these engines, and China also wants to acquire these engines from us.

[oborzevatel]

Yes. It was such a thing ...

[vagrant]

It’s interesting how the pilot shot down the enemy’s plane and took his documents. You guys turn on the logic or you transmit information to the media badly and falsely. The pilot cannot know in battle whom he shot down by name. Only if the callsign and then hardly considering the battle in those years. Photo shooting fixation if conducted. Pick up a downed pilot or his or her opponents without documents. Interrogation of drilling a battle card with a radio exchange, etc. Transfer recording of interrogation to the parties to the conflict and debriefing. And only then appoint, emphasize appoint the hero of this action. Counterintelligence in those days was class. Not a couple today. Therefore, uploading a photo of a flyer with approval shot down a plane and took away documents as a trophy for the stupidity and unprofessionalism of a person writing and posting a post. I emphasize that the word I took away in this text is stupid. I knocked yes, proved yes, and that’s it.

[shooter18]

I demand a complete ban on the use of McCain ..

[abrakadabre]

Be sure to ban. And even already paid and entered the warehouse to them. Publicly destroy.

[Scraptor]

To not? Imported GPS-linked machines refuse to work or begin to produce defects if they are moved htyaby several meters to the side.
Yes, even self-destruct ... left the warehouse and immediately exploded before reaching the launch pad In the meantime, the paid ones are in the warehouse - they are whole

[Altona]

Quote: Burmeister

Correctly achieves!

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From his youth, he hadn’t wondered about Russian missiles, but with his own asshole he felt what was called when he later flew into a Vietnamese swamp.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Burmeister

Correctly achieves!

Makesha is a very "very smart" unwise person.

[denssss]

what a vomiting erysipelas

[Vladimir 23rus]

Liposuction victim

[marlin1203]

"Stab, doctor! Stab him soon!"

[Misha Honest]

For the first time in my life, I’ll support McCain - you can't do the Yankees in space!

[Dewa1s]

The Yankees still crawl out there, with or without our help.
The only question is whether we will have profit from this or not.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Dewa1s

The Yankees still crawl out there, with or without our help.

Without our engines, for several more years, at least, they won’t be able to fly directly into space, because there are none of their own, and it takes time to develop new ones.

[Scraptor]

In order for them to transfer back to piston aviation, it is enough for them to cut off the supply of titanium, which is used in jet engines.
Even the A-12 / SR-71 were made entirely from those supplied from the USSR.

[Shadowcat]

Switch to Chinese engines. A trampoline is called.

On the other hand, in this case, McCain does the smart thing if you look sensibly - the stimulation will be much stronger to resume building your own movers. Well, the option drank, too, should not be discarded

[Vadim237]

Why is that? - In the USA, everything is fine with the development of astronautics.

[LVMI1980]

Yes of course

[Lelek]

Quote: Vadim237

Why is that? - In the USA, everything is fine with the development of astronautics.

Right. In the exploration of deep space, the Americans went around us by an order of magnitude, and now China and India have tightened up. We trample on the spot (there is not a single distant explorer, not a single observatory in space, not a single device on other planets) and we only use pictures of the solar system, which are published in popular magazines by Americans and Indians. Very disappointing, but such is the reality. Oh, how Korolev and his comrades are missing.

[bannik]

We have enough "Korolevs", there is no Lavrenty Pavlovich to "supervise" our cosmonautics and much more.

[Shadowcat]

mmm ... and right now you will be unpleasant

Quote: Lelek

not a single observatory in space

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D

1% 80% D0% BE% D0% BD
5 years as we have. And better than Hubla.

Quote: Lelek

not a single device on other planets

And the point is to launch it yourself if you can participate in a stranger, in American, leave on a stranger's hump so to speak.
Russia's participation in the Mars Science Laboratory / Curiosity Rover project is determined by the Executive Agreement between NASA and the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), by order of which the DAN instrument was created at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences

Quote: Lelek

now China and India have pulled themselves together

You still remember Estonia. What they have? So far, our near space is 40% of near-Earth launches on the budget of the Russian Federation.

For the rest - on Vostochny according to the news, the assembly of the first rocket for launching from it began. So quietly crawl.

Quote: Lelek

how Korolev and his comrades are missing

* sarcasm * Damned Korolev! For 5 years I was foolish!
For reference OKB-1 (the current RSC Energia) was created on May 13, 1946, the first launch into a small orbit 1951 (dogs), 1957 the first satellite was launched, 1961 - The first human flight, 1965 - spacewalk, 1971 - DKS Salyut -1.
* sarcasm * Which these researchers are slow. Do not you find the horror full? Not to Op and Pluto right away.

P.S. I'm not saying that everything is perfect, but I also shout "Chef, it's all gone!" not worth it.

[Castor]

Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh.

[aszzz888]

Castor RU Today, 10:18
Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh. laughing

From a psychiatric hospital on a day off.

[oborzevatel]

Quote: aszzz888

From a psychiatric hospital on a day off.

I would say differently:
"In the psychiatric hospital, they record truancy for a long time"

[The black]

Don’t laugh at the wretched man. It’s our fault that he is like that. McCain’s brain is also crushed by shell shock from the Soviet anti-aircraft missile that shot him down ..

[vorobey]

Quote: Black

It’s our fault that he is like that. Mack Kane’s brain is also crushed by shell shock from the Soviet anti-aircraft missile, which he was shot down ..

again, we don’t have to blame everything on us .. otherwise I already have a guilt complex developing like that of the Germans and Akhejakova ... the American aircraft carrier presses him pity the other missile didn’t find him ... this only confirms the level of our missiles ...

whose plane launched the rocket is still not clear - but John 416's plane

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Black

Don’t laugh at the wretched man. It’s our fault that he is like that. McCain’s brain is also crushed by shell shock from the Soviet anti-aircraft missile that hit him

After Vietnam, this guy seems to have serious brain problems.

[sisa29]

McCain, we will not buy engines from Russia, we will develop our own dumb, holy fool, ......
Rogozin - we will not buy engines from Ukraine (moto sich), we will develop our own patriot, it has long been so necessary, why did they wait for sanctions and did not refuse before ...
And where are the double standards?

And Americans also forgot they are stupid and therefore only spoil themselves.

[ARS56]

Why lie? Dill themselves banned the export of industrial products to Russia. After that, Russia began to produce all the necessary components, including helicopter and marine engines. But the penguins did not manage to master high-power rocket engines half a century after the "flights to the moon", since the lunar engines were produced by Hollywood.

[sisa29]

what's the lie? "why did they wait for the sanctions and didn't refuse earlier .."

[sisa29]

know our general disgust and hostility to McCain should not deprive us of logic and reason.
Let's discuss: I did not say that the situation with Ukraine and the USA is absolutely identical, for this I quoted the phrase why did they wait for sanctions and have not refused before ....
Further, you will agree that the situation between the USA and Russia is complicated, can we impose sanctions on supplies (like Ukraine)? We can. Then why do we think that offering to do it yourself McCain says stupidity
I was saddened by your phrase "because the moon engines were produced by Hollywood". Do you really think that Saturns 5 flew only in the movies? And the States don't have the capacity to build an engine. Let's not deceive ourselves, our engine turned out to be successful, but alas, with persistence and desire, they can do the same

[Vadim237]

Well, of course - Hollywood probably supplies them with RS 68 and RS 25 engines too - the latter has already been modernized and in 2018 it will fly on an SLS superheavy rocket.

[Scraptor]

Compare his pull ... SLS if it flies then on solid-propellant boosters from the Shuttle, like himself.

In general, it is idiocy (or from hopelessness) to put multiple-use engines on disposable rockets, as well as to put them on a platform in the middle of the ocean instead of simply parachuting.

[Lelek]

Quote: Castor

Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh.

The holy fools in Russia were revered people - seers. McKay is just an old, flabby, sick ass. And as Faina Ranevskaya used to say: "You can't make fun of a sad ass".

[oborzevatel]

Quote: Castor

Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh.

Yeah.
It does not let society get bored ...

[Vadim237]

His project will be rejected like all previous ones, but work on creating an alternative to the RD 180 has already begun.

[Michael67]

But they make good rubber. They will entrust themselves with a catapult, will shoot into orbit. True consumption of diapers will increase sharply.

[Victor62ru]

It’s time for Grandpa to retire, but no, everything is trying to spoil Russia more ...

[atamankko]

What senators, such a people, and they are not stupid, but stupid.

[V.ic]

Quote: atamankko

What senators, such a people, and they are not stupid, but stupid.

Logic: if A = B, and B = C, then A = C. Question: Do we have smart senators?

[Lelek]

Quote: V.ic

Question: Do we have smart senators?

The question is certainly interesting, but do not be asked on Friday.

[sisa29]

According to one senator, and not the most stupid one, you diagnosed a huge country. I think in vain. If they are our enemies and we want to think that they are stupid, then this is only an episode of the information war. Enough of us to deceive ourselves and will be touched by the pearls of M Zadorny-Dumb Americans. Just ask yourself the question of what these stupid people invented and gave to the world, what they can do, and then compare with us. I think they are at least no worse and no more stupid than us. I do not call of course to love the enemy. Let’s just be honest with ourselves and don’t let our brains be like our ex-brothers, considering everyone around as fools.

[atlantida04]

Are you sure that the Americans invented a lot, maybe in whatever other ways their achievements were obtained? For example, the withdrawal of all scientific achievements from Germany, or the gathering of brains around the world. if it were not for the Europeans and Asians, so far the cows have been driven from pasture to pasture.

[sisa29]

Even if they were able to correctly organize everything, concentrate in their hands, you see, stupid people hardly pulled it on. Now, if they were really just stupid then (sorry to steal your phrase) still the cows have been driven from pasture to pasture

[Saratoga833]

Americans are not stupid. There is simply no such nation "American"! And their successes in science are justified by the fact that they buy brains all over the world. After all, look who invented at least the last things. You start to understand and see now a Russian, then a Japanese, then a Frenchman, then a German. And in the end - "American"!
Their strength is that they are buying up the best minds of mankind non-selectively printing non-secured dollars.

[George 275]

Let him fly to the barrel of gunpowder

[Masya masya]

Who about what, and lousy about the bath ...

[The black]

McCain moved his head back in Vietnamese captivity. He began one of his pre-election speeches with the words "My cellmates" . Take his words seriously - you can’t, he’s sick all his head. When is Boris Moiseyev’s double, something clever uttered?

[meridbt]

This is a real pest, including for the country it "serves". The Americans said that they could not yet replace the RD-180. What does he want?

[Simon]

And he is striving for Russia to be in space leaders! Well done Macain! How interesting are such fools in America among senators?

[Primus pilus]

McCain wants a lot, but he cannot do anything.

[mirrorfax]

Yes, the fact that these Yankees will stop flying - they will shoot in Hollywood that they fly. All higher and further. The benefit and experience is with a flight to the moon.
Seeing from the slingshot Armstrong and the other then launched, since its engine is still not there.
But they could not land their rocket. Fell, infection. Exploded.
But they were on the moon.
A century of will not to see ...
Then they knew how, they just forgot how now. Like a student:
-I knew ..... but forgot ....

[Black]

Well, they have the same problems ..... Import substitution, however ...

[AID.S]

He obviously didn’t succeed in selfies. They put more beautiful in a coffin ..

[Kibl]

He’s still alive! Well done, he’s burning! The orderlies in Durkee are already exhausted waiting for the patient!

[SibRUS]

It was not he who promised to fill up some factory with orders?

Yuzhmash workers: "How can you live when you don't see your salary for six months"
Specialists have not seen since September. They are sure that the legendary plant is falling apart before the eyes of the whole country
Link: http://vesti-ukr.com/pridneprove/133869-rabochie-juzhmasha-pjatyj-mesjac-bez-zar
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[nord62]

For the first time in my life, I can say that I support Mackes! Let them refuse!

[gladysheff2010]

Senator prepares a bill prohibiting space enterprises from using Russian engines in the US
Apparently a politician-McCain, more competent than McCain-an engineer-gap in education !

[Siberian]

Something the Yankees all about our engines often blather. But about deliveries from RUSSIA (if I am not mistaken, we are the main suppliers in the USA) Ti Titanium, the Yankees for some reason stubbornly remain silent. But this metal is used in aviation and military. Well, in other industries. Looks like this Makkashi has his own personal interest in the ban on these engines ..

[Mercenary]

This is perhaps the only case where McCain can be supported! And then our somehow shy! The Americans introduced sanctions and we would have to answer - figs and not RD-180, figs and not delivery of astronauts to the ISS (and somehow we don’t need it ourselves anymore - the stage passed on the World).

[Jackking]

But what about the freedom of entrepreneurship, transparent borders? Americans absolutely oh ... whether - "let my house burn down. If only the neighbor's cow dies." The creatures, they think. that laws should only act as they should.

[vic58]

Hooray! Soon it will be fun: the H1N1 virus + swine flu, sucked the United States ...

[guzik007]

H1N1 virus + swine flu,
----------------------------- In fact, this is one and the same.

[ANANATOLY PAULOV]

Entc McCain can PR as much as he sees fit. Whatever the child was amusing, if only he wouldn’t ask for vodka. But the real state of affairs is that in the near future, they will not be able to create engines that are at least close in performance, no matter how much money they give. Carried away by solid propellant engines at one time, the Americans were far behind in the LRE, and as far as I know, even those that were lost. It seems that they will have to return to the 60s, if not the 50s, to catch up. And for this reason it’s up to us to buy an RD-180, or it will not McCain, but those who desperately need them. And no congress along with taxpayers will help. And here we should control how Americans will use these engines. And it’s very tough to control. It’s not worth selling the club with an enemy that it’s going to crack you on the head with. No matter what money is given for it.

[serkhan]

McCain is another dill. How many times have been noticed, weak brain impulses in similar ones are only in one direction: frostbite (I will not let develop) self (NASA) ears (engines, and at the same time space) to evil grandmother (what if somebody in Russia sees what McCain the Proud)

[njvlin]

The Vietnamese general said very well about McCain: “If we could know that this whiner would turn into a rabid hawk, we would shoot him in prison, not pardon him.” (Note. During the Vietnam War, this “hero-warrior” was captured and was in a Vietnamese prison, while every day he cried and begged on his knees for pardon)

[rotmistr60]

Oh, and stubborn, this shell-shocked and psychologically broken in Vietnam. The American land is rich in such "nuggets".

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

McCain is the sixth column! Mackainnyak is on a dime! It’s not the king’s thing, it’s built-America rocket engines into space that brought Hollywood!

[bankirchik34]

shell-shocked, well, what can you take from him))

[Lelek]

Quote: bankirchik34

shell-shocked, what can you get from him

Well, it's you in vain. By American standards - krasavisss mushshina and in the prime of life.

[Jurkovs]

Well, I wish McCain good luck. And that's why. At present Energomash serially produces two engines: RD-180 for Atlas and RD-191 for Angara. Quite recently, the FKP began to understand the Phoenix project as a Zenit-sized rocket with an RD-170 engine. This engine is actually no longer produced, (a large series for Zenith was previously released, after the closure of Zenith, 5 engines were stuck at the plant), it is less reliable than the RD-180, but they say one RD-170 is cheaper than two RD-180s and therefore they are going to Phoenix put the first engine. If McCain gets his way, Energomash, instead of starting a new launch of production of the RD-170, will continue to use two RD-180s on Phoenix. And then an interesting opportunity opens up. We need a medium rocket of "proton" dimension more than a rocket of "zenith" dimension. And on this rocket it will already be necessary to install three RD-180s, an increase in serial production will reduce the price, the state will receive a monoblock for 27 tons, and a simpler design of the planned heavyweight (less side accelerators will be needed). And there are almost no payloads for Zenith in the world, this was proved by the economic collapse of the Sea Launch (all foreigners fled from it). Launching a promising spacecraft remains a problem, but launching on RD-170 is just a hoax, for a number of reasons it is not suitable for manned launches. Zenith already tried to adapt for this, but nothing came of it.

[V.ic]

Quote: Jurkovs

but the launch on the RD-170 is simply a hoax, for a number of reasons it’s not suitable for manned launches. Zenit have already tried to adapt for this, but nothing came of it.

Understood nothing but the explanations are impressive!

[Aleksander]

"From a moral point of view, outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it's just stupid ..."

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-sell engines to an adversary who will launch military satellites and equipment directed against Russia into space.

[BOB044]

McCain seeks a total ban on the use of Russian RD-180 in the US

Yes, McCain, old age is not joy but umorazm. Develop your engine or buy from Ukraine. Your rockets will fall because you have already passed it.

[valentina-makanalina]

I didn’t understand McCain’s message. Are these sanctions against us or against ourselves? Who will win the most and who will lose?

[eternalmotor]

McCain, you have to rest. God see everything!

[triglav]

I would have taken it myself and developed a super-engine for the first stage. The old man in his repertoire.

[Zolotse]

Not a ride with him, it's a PR to remind myself. Our engines are more reliable and cheaper, and capitalists know how to count money.

[Saratoga833]

The Americans have already tried to use our engine, "improved" by the Ukrainians! The result is a grandiose "zilch"!

[Stinger]

And it is right. It’s high time to move your brain, and not buy strangers. Apart from printing dollars, not a damn thing can. McCain the chief designer - and go!

[Taygerus]

Makeyka again escaped from the chamber, but then I agree with him

[Nikolay71]

And why is our Zhirinovsky silent?

[Prisoner]

There is still a suspicion that the old man in Vietnam recruited ours. The bastard is working well.

[Igor V]

I thought that the Merikos have made good Russia in the last ... twenty years? I didn’t find it (I don’t go to McDonald’s, I haven’t watched their films for a long time, they’re annoying). And now we sell them high-tech equipment, and the price may not be high. I don’t like it, whatever they say.

[Ros 56]

McCain, if the government is not listening, go on a hunger strike for three months so that they are ashamed. Maybe by that time and yeah, that one.

[isker]

Quote: vorobey

September 27, 2002 - a license agreement was signed to export to the USA a complete set of design, technological and test documentation for the RD 180 engine.
...

Do not be fooled: the Americans did not pay a cent for the development of this engine — only as for the finished goods, and therefore the technical documentation was handed over to them in a strictly limited amount — such as how to properly screw this figovina to their contraption — no more and no less!

[Azovian]

Full. They will fly into space on a broomstick.

[Orionvit]

Quote: just EXPL

I advise you to read the history of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.
I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us. it's just stupidly cheaper here.
and no one will bury NASA with the abandonment of our engines. it’s just that the money for the engines will be received by the Americans, not us.
don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.

States buy Russian engines not because they are cheap, because they are the best, and not from a good life. Since the last shuttle, the kirdyk has slowly come to the US space program. NASA has a deep crisis, and they cannot maintain space as before. Ended the engineers who studied in the 60-70s. years, but not new. And if you consider yourself too smart, then read already who has been serving the ISS for the last time, carries astronauts there, and performs manned space flights. I can tell you, this is ONE country you know.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, of course - Hollywood probably supplies them with RS 68 and RS 25 engines too - the latter has already been modernized and in 2018 it will fly on an SLS superheavy rocket.

That's when it flies then we'll see, and I can do anything else. So far, the facts speak otherwise, namely, that the states themselves cannot fly into space.

[PValery53]

Well, McCain, well ... a garden scarecrow. Even the ravens are afraid. Do not scare the progressive public.

[electrooleg]

A person who gets hit in the forehead by a Russian missile in a real battle will hate every detail of it for the rest of his days. He got his PR thanks to the fact that he took a rocket to the forehead. You should be grateful to the Russian rocket, Comrade Makain! If there weren't a rocket, he wouldn't have anything in his pockets. And so - yesterday he received a missile in the forehead, and today you look like he’s already a senator It would be better to promote our missiles and practice taking them head-on more. Personal progress at least from this procedure is very noticeable in his example