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McCain seeks a total ban on the use of Russian RD-180 in the US

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Senator John McCain submitted to the US legislators a draft law banning the use of Russian-made RD-180 engines in the United States, reports RIA News.


McCain seeks a total ban on the use of Russian RD-180 in the US


"The senator introduced this bill to the Senate," the republican office said.

Earlier it was reported that the senator is preparing a bill banning the space industry in the US to use Russian engines.

A statement appeared on McCain’s website, in which he called his project “essential to make sure that the United States does not depend on Vladimir Putin’s regime for guaranteed access to space.” "From a moral point of view, it is outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it is simply foolish to ask American taxpayers to subsidize the Russian military-industrial complex," he added.

“RD-180 is used in the first stage of American Atlas missiles, and while the US industry does not produce analogues,” the agency reminds.
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  1. Burmistr
    Burmistr 29 January 2016 10: 15
    34
    Correctly achieves!
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 January 2016 10: 21
      22
      Quote: Burmeister
      Correctly achieves!



      The first step on the trampoline according to Rogozin.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 29 January 2016 10: 22
        16
        Of course, I would also like to send to ... the United States vyser-McKein along with all the United States, but the engines must be put somewhere! All the same, Dazhenka for JSC NPO Energomash named after Academician V.P. Glushko

        PS: By the way, he studied at school number 187 (4) them. V.P. Glushko, the city of Leninsk (Baikonur)!
        Hello to all of us!
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 29 January 2016 10: 30
          25
          Quote: Baikonur
          Sshakalsky vseer-McKein, but the engines somewhere must be put somewhere!


          we don’t have to put the engines somewhere, but space is not accessible to them without our engines ... so McCain is getting it right .. I’d also give him a medal .. - for NASA’s funeral
          1. just exp
            just exp 29 January 2016 11: 51
            +3
            I advise you to read the history of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.
            I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us. it's just stupidly cheaper here.
            and no one will bury NASA with the abandonment of our engines. it’s just that the money for the engines will be received by the Americans, not us.
            don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.
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            2. max702
              max702 29 January 2016 12: 09
              17
              Quote: just explo
              read the story of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.
              I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us. it's just stupidly cheaper here.
              and no one will bury NASA with the abandonment of our engines. it’s just that the money for the engines will be received by the Americans, not us.
              don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.

              How smart you are however! Now tell me, what do these rockets on our engines with the Americans put into space? Have you thought about this? Or they saw green paper, and that's all happiness! They (the USA) are likely to exclusively launch rockets with civilian cargo into orbit, and no military programs! But is there anything that’s the main load, the satellites of military communications and target designation? And against whom is this product primarily intended? Have you thought about this? They then print pieces of paper as he likes, a trillion more they do not care! But we supply real material resources! But the most important thing you can imagine is that the Americans, on their shuttles, would launch satellites of the Russian Defense Ministry into space? And here is a very similar picture, so let them spend their resources distracting their working engineers from other projects .. You look where they are slowed down by the dispersal of forces and means. Well, about the money, Duc them in the country FALLED OUT! you listen to a smaller Ministry of Finance, and see more where the money is spent, see (88bn / dl in US securities) and if you are not too lazy to dig into the execution of the country's budget, for example, November 2015 surplus amounted to 10 trillion rubles How many RD-180 engines are these? There is a lot of money, questions to those who spend them so "talentedly" .. It's time to ask questions on the raster topic to these figures ..
              1. hartlend
                hartlend 29 January 2016 12: 17
                +4
                The decision to sell engines is in any case a political one, made at the top. Reasons do not tell us. Without reliable information, one can argue even to hoarseness, there will be no sense. If it was possible to break up the US space program with one ban on the sale of engines, it would have long been banned.
              2. just exp
                just exp 29 January 2016 12: 21
                +4
                once again for the gifted.
                if the United States abandons our engines - THEY WILL NOT STAY WITHOUT ROCKET ENGINES, THEY WILL TRANSFER TO OTHERS. I hope the caps will come more.
                and American workers will receive the money, otherwise you probably think that in Russia the people have three jobs and pay millions that it is worth scattering hundreds of millions of bachels.
                if you do not like the dollar, then I agree with you, we must stop selling gas, oil, weapons, food, they sell it for bucks.
                1. max702
                  max702 29 January 2016 16: 17
                  0
                  Quote: just explo
                  and American workers will receive the money, otherwise you probably think that in Russia the people have three jobs and pay millions that it is worth scattering hundreds of millions of bachels.

                  “He’s about cakes, but he don’t eat .. do you ..” Once again, for you especially gifted, what are these missiles being put into orbit? And how are they paying us? Tell me, with these dollars, can we buy technology, machine tools, electronics and much more that is vital for our country? NO! Everything is under sanctions, and even more, And at the same time (by selling the RD-180) we are increasing the US military potential of our main enemy. Thus, actually working for the enemy! We were not sold the pitiful Mistrals for fear of improving military logistics in Syria, and dummies for the training ground in Mulino, and we practically provide them with eyes and ears for their striking means! I have already written about money, read carefully, there is money, but the fact that they do not want to pay our enterprises and their employees is a completely different story, and supposedly their absence is not an excuse for bureaucrats holding power .. And once again let them (USA ) spend REAL resources, and not virtual zeros from the Treasury accounts, let them re-equip enterprises, let them train workers, organize production .. BUT these will be REAL costs, not virtual ones, as in the case of paying us back .. Which is easier to type on the keyboard or to launch production at a dozen other complex and expensive factories, because in relation to us, without selling us technologies and equipment, they force us to follow this path, which means it is profitable for them! So why is this path in relation to the United States not beneficial to us? The United States is doing very well, buying up the necessary resources for everything and everything for virtual money, do you need scientists? well, we find the necessary ones all over the world, we give a good salary (why, we print money ourselves and how much we want) and now scientists are available, do we need qualified workers? Everything is the same .. Machine tools, raw materials, and much more, all can be obtained without investing practically nothing! This is the main strength of the United States with its comrades! For this, the dictatorship of the dollar was created! I also understand that we would sell a batch of engines, and in return a line for the production of electronics .. But this is fantastic! You tell me this is a primitive barter! What is there to do? If they don't sell us anything worthwhile for a convertible dollar!
                  RS: Following your logic, the United States needs to sell nuclear weapons .. Why, they can buy from others, or produce something good themselves ..
                  1. just exp
                    just exp 29 January 2016 23: 09
                    0
                    stop selling oil and gas, otherwise they are selling for
                    Tell me, can we buy these dollars, technologies, machines, electronics and much more that is vital for our country?

                    in addition to the people, in addition to bread, they also want to see shows, and this, besides Pugacheva, also has other entertainments, for example, those that are on the iPhone or Samsung Galaxy, but they are bought for
                    Tell me, can we buy these dollars, technologies, machines, electronics and much more that is vital for our country?

                    just like for
                    Tell me, can we buy these dollars, technologies, machines, electronics and much more that is vital for our country?

                    food, spare parts for oil equipment, clothes, and yes, components for industry are bought.
                2. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 29 January 2016 22: 31
                  +1
                  Which ones? ... And in what time frame?

                  Yes, you have to stop. All this must be sold not for bucks but for rubles. They want to buy something in Russia - let them first buy rubles for their dollars and then buy our goods for these rubles. From this order, the dollar to the ruble will fall by half ...
                  Now, for some reason, it’s the other way around - not in their own country, they can buy for their money, which they simply print on their own, moreover, in a private non-state shop called FRS.

                  And they have nothing to replace the engines with - the Delta Atlas loses with them and, by the vibration resistance class, by no means can output everything.
                  1. just exp
                    just exp 29 January 2016 23: 10
                    0
                    quickly the tale affects, but not quickly the thing is done.
                    Russia is trying to throw off the dollar yoke and got Ukraine and a bunch of terrorist attacks. and it was hamsters like patriots who started yelling about bad Putin after that.
                    1. Scraptor
                      Scraptor 30 January 2016 01: 28
                      0
                      She just got it all. Well, now it’s time for it to drop this dollar yoke.
                      1. just exp
                        just exp 30 January 2016 15: 00
                        0
                        and this is what they are doing, BRICS is already giving up the dollar, settlements between some countries go to nat. currencies.
                      2. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 30 January 2016 18: 19
                        0
                        And in mutual settlements between the USA and the Russian Federation? Or just any export from the Russian Federation?
                        This is actually done all in one day ...
            3. Sirocco
              Sirocco 29 January 2016 14: 56
              +1
              At the suggestion of McCain,
              “From a moral point of view, it’s outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it’s just silly to ask American taxpayers to subsidize the Russian military-industrial complex”

              I wanted to offer V to Zhirinovsky answer trolling. “From a moral point of view, it’s outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it’s just silly to ask Russian taxpayers to subsidize the US military-industrial complex”
              But you said not in the eyebrow but in the eye.
              Quote: max702
              and see more where the money is spent, see (88bn / dl in US securities)

              Well, in my opinion, since they ask to suspend, it is necessary to stop the supply of engines. Well, it’s not patriotic to her god, like that, Especially after the collision with Putin, with all sorts of allegations of corruption. It's time to click on the nose. Let them try to launch it on the YuMZ equipment, especially since the engineer from Dnepropetrovsk has been working there for more than a year for the good of the State Department. Maybe they'll fill up a couple more rockets in a hurry.
          2. dgiguli1962
            dgiguli1962 29 January 2016 12: 49
            +2
            About smarter, at the moment in the US there is no analogue of these engines.
          3. vorobey
            vorobey 29 January 2016 12: 58
            +4
            Quote: just explo
            don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.


            Well, I really have to .. they were even on the moon, unlike us ...

            Americans even have all the design documentation and technological ... but they can’t do it ... even stupidly copy ..

            A brief chronology of the engine

            January 13, 1996 - NPO Energomash was announced the winner of a competition for the development of a liquid-propellant rocket engine for the upgraded Atlas IIAR rocket company Lockheed Martin (USA).

            June 5, 1996 - NPO Energomash and Pratt & Whitney signed a contract for the joint development and production of prototypes, testing and certification of the new Russian booster engine RD-180. On July 14, 1996, this contract entered into force after receiving the approval of the relevant government departments of the Russian Federation.

            November 15, 1996 - the first firing test of the RD-180 liquid propellant rocket, developed for the first stage of the American Atlas IIAR LV, was conducted at the stand of NPO Energomash in Khimki.

            July 29, 1998 - the first firing test of the RD-180 liquid propellant rocket as part of the Atlas III LV stage of the Lockheed Martin company at the stand of the Marshall Center in Huntsville, USA.

            January 2, 1999 - the first production RD-180 engine was shipped to the United States.

            March 31, 1999 - completion of certification tests of RD-180 LPRE.

            May 24, 2000 - the first launch of the Atlas 3A launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

            2001 - certification tests of RD-180 were carried out for use in the Atlas 5 launch vehicle.

            2002 - certification tests of RD-180 were carried out for use in the heavy version of the Atlas 5 launch vehicle.

            February 21, 2002 - the first launch of the Atlas 3V launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

            August 21, 2002 - the first launch of the Atlas 5 launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine.

            September 27, 2002 - a license agreement was signed to export to the USA a complete set of design, technological and test documentation for the RD 180 engine.

            December 4, 2002 - licenses for the export of a complete set of technical documentation for the RD 180 engine under a license agreement were obtained.

            and in NASA history is another NK 33 engine mentioned?

            On April 22, 2013, the first successful launch of the Antares-Signus American private space transport rocket and space system took place. The Antares launch vehicle is designed to deliver the Signus private cargo spacecraft to the International Space Station ISS and was created by the American corporation Orbital (full name Orbital Sciences Corporation) as part of the efforts of the US space agency NASA to reduce the dependence on the services of Russian cargo transport spacecraft . Two US corporations Orbital and SpaceX won NASA's contracts for the delivery of cargo to the ISS.

            And, most piquant, although it is not particularly advertised by the Americans, the Antares rocket-space system is launched into space using two powerful Soviet NK-33 rocket engines installed on its first stage, which were made 40 years ago for superheavy (weighing almost 3000 tons) of the Soviet lunar missile N-1. These engines were developed under the guidance of Academician Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuznetsov for the delivery of Soviet astronauts to the moon, and an unknown to the general public and directly detective story that continues to this day is associated with them ...
            1. just exp
              just exp 29 January 2016 13: 20
              +1
              Americans and phones can’t do it, everyone in China is buying.
              I’m thinking how and what needs to be written so that the people understand that the Americans buy these engines not because the Americans are stupid and can’t do their own, but because it’s cheaper to buy from us than a whole program to turn around about this.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 29 January 2016 13: 57
                +5
                Quote: just explo
                how and what you need to write so that people understand that the Americans buy these engines not because the Americans are stupid and can’t do their own, but because it’s cheaper to buy from us than our own whole program to turn around.



                and we also have cheaper tanks and planes, and Chinese even cheaper repeat understand what I'm getting at?
                1. just exp
                  just exp 29 January 2016 23: 05
                  0
                  tanks are weapons where bookmarks are possible, in addition, our tanks and planes do not meet their application concept, but they are engines, there are no application concepts, there is just application.
          4. Persistent
            Persistent 29 January 2016 15: 49
            -1
            I advise you to read the history of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.

            If the United States really (although I doubt it) were on the moon ??? Why do they need RD-180 ??? laughing
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 29 January 2016 22: 41
              -1
              Because the F-1 was very unreliable and gave too much shaking during work.
              also it can not be cut in half as a multi-chamber RD-171 ... wassat
              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 30 January 2016 18: 25
                0
                About how "reliable" he was and also about the "impressions" of the astronauts from the intense vibration he gave (they could not even see the dashboard) are easily searched on the Internet ...
                Therefore, it’s not strange that something happened in Apollo 13, which was then attributed to other circumstances.
          5. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 January 2016 18: 00
            +2
            Quote: just explo
            I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us

            In order to develop and implement such an engine as RD-180 in iron, the United States needs at least 7 to 10 years, subject to financing, and it is not a fact that it will be at least approximately as reliable as our engine.
            It's not just about money.
          6. brodyaga
            brodyaga 29 January 2016 18: 38
            0
            repeat I agree completely. Before rallying and shouting that we will not sell the RD-180 engines to America, we must first load the work and, most importantly, the purchase and payment from the state of the Russian OJSC NPO Energomash named after Academician V. P. Glushko. What can you offer the staff of this enterprise? Patriotism is good, but there is a need. And the brain of specialists needs to be fed very, very strongly. So when the state places an order long-term adequate and paid, at this enterprise, then and only then you can send amers on the road.
      2. RDX
        RDX 29 January 2016 11: 58
        +1
        Interestingly, how did they even fly to the moon, where did their engines go?
      3. SANAY
        SANAY 29 January 2016 11: 59
        +4
        And I heard that these engines were written off in the dashing nineties, and at Energomash then the hand did not rise to destroy them, and then the Americans, as they will scream, "sell to us, sell to us - we don't have" they took and sold them. Otherwise, they could not sell, no one would die. I think the Americans will not listen to this evil grandpa. What then fly? And in general they have a space program with a smell. What are they launching with? On our. They announced a competition for the creation of the engine, but, excuse me, in order to create something like that, you need a school and experience with a forty-year history, but the satellites, they say, "more or less".
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  4. seti
    seti 29 January 2016 10: 22
    +9
    All this is a PR action .. You need to spend too much money and spend too much time and effort. Brains are finally needed. Perhaps if they "take care" of this and strain, then in 10 years something sensible and create. But during this time we will not be one step but three steps ahead.
  5. Uran
    Uran 29 January 2016 10: 33
    +4
    what kind of cattle is this mccain, just nothing human remains. Well, he will achieve his. and atlases will not fly. who is sick of this? it's just the wildest envy of the Russians that they managed to do what the Americans could not !! and this McCain we know how he fought and it’s a pity that he wasn’t shot in the trench by that Vietnamese in about the Vietnam War
    1. just exp
      just exp 29 January 2016 12: 24
      +2
      I just can’t understand how it comes to someone in the cerebellum that the Americans cannot make the engine for the Atlas? and before that, did they launch the Atlas on a trampoline in space? and indeed, what kind of catapult did the Americans launch the same Apollo?
      I understand there cheers-patriotism, Zadornov, blacks, but to consider that the Americans are all completely stupid at least idiocy.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 January 2016 21: 31
      0
      Quote: Uranus
      what kind of cattle is this mccain

      Is it just McCain? In the video, each Merikasek beats his heel in the chest with a cry: We, professionals! And they lost to some boys from the backyard. And no one said that they lost, only looking for excuses. Like boys with dirty buttocks.
      Rightly, some Soviet scientists despised the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which prided itself on preparing "professionals."
  6. poacher
    poacher 29 January 2016 10: 34
    0
    Oh, for sure, let the trampoline be mastered.
    1. vell.65
      vell.65 29 January 2016 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: poacher
      Oh, for sure, let the trampoline be mastered.

      Maybe Baba Yaga borrowed a broom? laughing
  7. Sura
    Sura 29 January 2016 10: 39
    0
    Correctly achieves!

    Well, as he will not seek, most likely he has a controlling stake in the trampoline factory, nothing personal, business.
  8. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 29 January 2016 10: 40
    +5
    Quote: Burmeister
    Correctly achieves!

    Indeed, the comrade is on the right track.
    Although, for me, the manufacturers of engines for rockets could have long been in a position to declare that sanctions hinder production. But we are used to the fact that everyone thinks of his own skin.
    It was: Oh, there will be no orders, the company will die. And the fact that due to sanctions other enterprises either perish or are on the verge of perishing is nothing to worry about.
    To deprive urgently of engines, to deprive of urgent flights to the ISS, especially since the majority of the ISS does not belong to Russia. And they, otherwise, can probably sing.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 29 January 2016 14: 30
      +3
      Strongly agree with you! +
  9. Simon
    Simon 29 January 2016 10: 51
    +1
    Yes ... well, apparently the Vietnamese had moved their healthy cuckoos at the time, because he did not want to help his American homeland complete the space program. Russia will not lose anything in this, we already have three cosmodromes, our designers will find the use of these engines, and China also wants to acquire these engines from us.
    1. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 29 January 2016 12: 11
      11
      Yes. It was such a thing ...
      1. brodyaga
        brodyaga 29 January 2016 19: 24
        0
        It’s interesting how the pilot shot down the enemy’s plane and took his documents. You guys turn on the logic or you transmit information to the media badly and falsely. The pilot cannot know in battle whom he shot down by name. Only if the callsign and then hardly considering the battle in those years. Photo shooting fixation if conducted. Pick up a downed pilot or his or her opponents without documents. Interrogation of drilling a battle card with a radio exchange, etc. Transfer recording of interrogation to the parties to the conflict and debriefing. And only then appoint, emphasize appoint the hero of this action. Counterintelligence in those days was class. Not a couple today. Therefore, uploading a photo of a flyer with approval shot down a plane and took away documents as a trophy for the stupidity and unprofessionalism of a person writing and posting a post. I emphasize that the word I took away in this text is stupid. I knocked yes, proved yes, and that’s it.
  10. shooter18
    shooter18 29 January 2016 10: 57
    +4
    I demand a complete ban on the use of McCain ..
  11. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 29 January 2016 12: 16
    0
    Be sure to ban. And even already paid and entered the warehouse to them. Publicly destroy.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 29 January 2016 22: 48
      0
      To not? Imported GPS-linked machines refuse to work or begin to produce defects if they are moved htyaby several meters to the side.
      Yes, even self-destruct ... left the warehouse and immediately exploded before reaching the launch pad wassat In the meantime, the paid ones are in the warehouse - they are whole laughing
  12. Altona
    Altona 29 January 2016 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: Burmeister
    Correctly achieves!

    --------------------------
    From his youth, he hadn’t wondered about Russian missiles, but with his own asshole he felt what was called when he later flew into a Vietnamese swamp. laughing laughing soldier
  13. sgazeev
    sgazeev 29 January 2016 19: 28
    0
    Quote: Burmeister
    Correctly achieves!

    Makesha is a very "very smart" unwise person. fool drinks
  • denssss
    denssss 29 January 2016 10: 16
    +2
    what a vomiting erysipelas
    1. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus 29 January 2016 18: 00
      +1
      Liposuction victim laughing
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 29 January 2016 10: 17
    +2
    "Stab, doctor! Stab him soon!" wassat
  • Misha Honest
    Misha Honest 29 January 2016 10: 17
    11
    For the first time in my life, I’ll support McCain - you can't do the Yankees in space! laughing
    1. Dewa1s
      Dewa1s 29 January 2016 11: 42
      0
      The Yankees still crawl out there, with or without our help.
      The only question is whether we will have profit from this or not.
      1. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 29 January 2016 14: 04
        +2
        Quote: Dewa1s
        The Yankees still crawl out there, with or without our help.

        Without our engines, for several more years, at least, they won’t be able to fly directly into space, because there are none of their own, and it takes time to develop new ones.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 29 January 2016 22: 52
          +1
          In order for them to transfer back to piston aviation, it is enough for them to cut off the supply of titanium, which is used in jet engines.
          Even the A-12 / SR-71 were made entirely from those supplied from the USSR.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 29 January 2016 10: 17
    0
    Switch to Chinese engines. A trampoline is called.

    On the other hand, in this case, McCain does the smart thing if you look sensibly - the stimulation will be much stronger to resume building your own movers. Well, the option drank, too, should not be discarded
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 January 2016 10: 20
      0
      Why is that? - In the USA, everything is fine with the development of astronautics.
      1. LVMI1980
        LVMI1980 29 January 2016 10: 35
        +1
        Yes of course smile
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 29 January 2016 11: 06
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Why is that? - In the USA, everything is fine with the development of astronautics.


        Right. In the exploration of deep space, the Americans went around us by an order of magnitude, and now China and India have tightened up. We trample on the spot (there is not a single distant explorer, not a single observatory in space, not a single device on other planets) and we only use pictures of the solar system, which are published in popular magazines by Americans and Indians. Very disappointing, but such is the reality. Oh, how Korolev and his comrades are missing. what
        1. bannik
          bannik 29 January 2016 12: 25
          +5
          We have enough "Korolevs", there is no Lavrenty Pavlovich to "supervise" our cosmonautics and much more.
        2. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 29 January 2016 13: 24
          +4
          mmm ... and right now you will be unpleasant
          Quote: Lelek
          not a single observatory in space

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D

          1% 80% D0% BE% D0% BD
          5 years as we have. And better than Hubla.

          Quote: Lelek
          not a single device on other planets

          And the point is to launch it yourself if you can participate in a stranger, in American, leave on a stranger's hump so to speak.
          Russia's participation in the Mars Science Laboratory / Curiosity Rover project is determined by the Executive Agreement between NASA and the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), by order of which the DAN instrument was created at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences

          Quote: Lelek
          now China and India have pulled themselves together

          You still remember Estonia. What they have? So far, our near space is 40% of near-Earth launches on the budget of the Russian Federation.

          For the rest - on Vostochny according to the news, the assembly of the first rocket for launching from it began. So quietly crawl.

          Quote: Lelek
          how Korolev and his comrades are missing

          * sarcasm * Damned Korolev! For 5 years I was foolish!
          For reference OKB-1 (the current RSC Energia) was created on May 13, 1946, the first launch into a small orbit 1951 (dogs), 1957 the first satellite was launched, 1961 - The first human flight, 1965 - spacewalk, 1971 - DKS Salyut -1.
          * sarcasm * Which these researchers are slow. Do not you find the horror full? Not to Op and Pluto right away.

          P.S. I'm not saying that everything is perfect, but I also shout "Chef, it's all gone!" not worth it.
  • Beaver
    Beaver 29 January 2016 10: 18
    +5
    Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh. laughing
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 29 January 2016 10: 34
      0
      Castor RU Today, 10:18
      Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh. laughing


      From a psychiatric hospital on a day off.
      1. oborzevatel
        oborzevatel 29 January 2016 12: 14
        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        From a psychiatric hospital on a day off.

        I would say differently:
        "In the psychiatric hospital, they record truancy for a long time"
    2. The black
      The black 29 January 2016 10: 38
      +4
      Don’t laugh at the wretched man. It’s our fault that he is like that. McCain’s brain is also crushed by shell shock from the Soviet anti-aircraft missile that shot him down .. wassat
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 29 January 2016 10: 52
        +4
        Quote: Black
        It’s our fault that he is like that. Mack Kane’s brain is also crushed by shell shock from the Soviet anti-aircraft missile, which he was shot down ..


        again, we don’t have to blame everything on us .. otherwise I already have a guilt complex developing like that of the Germans and Akhejakova ... the American aircraft carrier presses him pity the other missile didn’t find him ... this only confirms the level of our missiles ...

        whose plane launched the rocket is still not clear - but John 416's plane
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 29 January 2016 11: 13
        +3
        Quote: Black
        Don’t laugh at the wretched man. It’s our fault that he is like that. McCain’s brain is also crushed by shell shock from the Soviet anti-aircraft missile that hit him

        After Vietnam, this guy seems to have serious brain problems.
    3. sisa29
      sisa29 29 January 2016 11: 09
      -5
      McCain, we will not buy engines from Russia, we will develop our own dumb, holy fool, ......
      Rogozin - we will not buy engines from Ukraine (moto sich), we will develop our own patriot, it has long been so necessary, why did they wait for sanctions and did not refuse before ...
      And where are the double standards?

      And Americans also forgot they are stupid and therefore only spoil themselves.
      1. ARS56
        ARS56 29 January 2016 12: 07
        +1
        Why lie? Dill themselves banned the export of industrial products to Russia. After that, Russia began to produce all the necessary components, including helicopter and marine engines. But the penguins did not manage to master high-power rocket engines half a century after the "flights to the moon", since the lunar engines were produced by Hollywood.
        1. sisa29
          sisa29 29 January 2016 12: 13
          -1
          what's the lie? "why did they wait for the sanctions and didn't refuse earlier .."
        2. sisa29
          sisa29 29 January 2016 12: 42
          0
          know our general disgust and hostility to McCain should not deprive us of logic and reason.
          Let's discuss: I did not say that the situation with Ukraine and the USA is absolutely identical, for this I quoted the phrase why did they wait for sanctions and have not refused before ....
          Further, you will agree that the situation between the USA and Russia is complicated, can we impose sanctions on supplies (like Ukraine)? We can. Then why do we think that offering to do it yourself McCain says stupidity
          I was saddened by your phrase "because the moon engines were produced by Hollywood". Do you really think that Saturns 5 flew only in the movies? And the States don't have the capacity to build an engine. Let's not deceive ourselves, our engine turned out to be successful, but alas, with persistence and desire, they can do the same
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 January 2016 13: 06
          +2
          Well, of course - Hollywood probably supplies them with RS 68 and RS 25 engines too - the latter has already been modernized and in 2018 it will fly on an SLS superheavy rocket.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 29 January 2016 22: 55
            0
            Compare his pull ... laughing SLS if it flies then on solid-propellant boosters from the Shuttle, like himself.

            In general, it is idiocy (or from hopelessness) to put multiple-use engines on disposable rockets, as well as to put them on a platform in the middle of the ocean instead of simply parachuting.
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 29 January 2016 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: Castor
      Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh.


      The holy fools in Russia were revered people - seers. McKay is just an old, flabby, sick ass. And as Faina Ranevskaya used to say: "You can't make fun of a sad ass". bully
    5. oborzevatel
      oborzevatel 29 January 2016 12: 12
      +4
      Quote: Castor
      Long ago, this holy fool did not make people laugh. laughing

      Yeah.
      It does not let society get bored ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 29 January 2016 10: 18
    +1
    His project will be rejected like all previous ones, but work on creating an alternative to the RD 180 has already begun.
  • Michael67
    Michael67 29 January 2016 10: 20
    +1
    But they make good rubber. They will entrust themselves with a catapult, will shoot into orbit. True consumption of diapers will increase sharply.
  • Victor62ru
    Victor62ru 29 January 2016 10: 21
    +1
    It’s time for Grandpa to retire, but no, everything is trying to spoil Russia more ...
  • atamankko
    atamankko 29 January 2016 10: 21
    +1
    What senators, such a people, and they are not stupid, but stupid.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 29 January 2016 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: atamankko
      What senators, such a people, and they are not stupid, but stupid.

      Logic: if A = B, and B = C, then A = C. Question: Do we have smart senators?
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 29 January 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: V.ic
        Question: Do we have smart senators?


        The question is certainly interesting, but do not be asked on Friday. bully
    2. sisa29
      sisa29 29 January 2016 11: 00
      +3
      According to one senator, and not the most stupid one, you diagnosed a huge country. I think in vain. If they are our enemies and we want to think that they are stupid, then this is only an episode of the information war. Enough of us to deceive ourselves and will be touched by the pearls of M Zadorny-Dumb Americans. Just ask yourself the question of what these stupid people invented and gave to the world, what they can do, and then compare with us. I think they are at least no worse and no more stupid than us. I do not call of course to love the enemy. Let’s just be honest with ourselves and don’t let our brains be like our ex-brothers, considering everyone around as fools.
      1. atlantida04
        atlantida04 29 January 2016 11: 45
        +1
        Are you sure that the Americans invented a lot, maybe in whatever other ways their achievements were obtained? For example, the withdrawal of all scientific achievements from Germany, or the gathering of brains around the world. if it were not for the Europeans and Asians, so far the cows have been driven from pasture to pasture.
        1. sisa29
          sisa29 29 January 2016 12: 50
          +1
          Even if they were able to correctly organize everything, concentrate in their hands, you see, stupid people hardly pulled it on. Now, if they were really just stupid then (sorry to steal your phrase) still the cows have been driven from pasture to pasture
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      3. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 29 January 2016 16: 45
        +1
        Americans are not stupid. There is simply no such nation "American"! And their successes in science are justified by the fact that they buy brains all over the world. After all, look who invented at least the last things. You start to understand and see now a Russian, then a Japanese, then a Frenchman, then a German. And in the end - "American"!
        Their strength is that they are buying up the best minds of mankind non-selectively printing non-secured dollars.
  • George 275
    George 275 29 January 2016 10: 31
    +3
    Let him fly to the barrel of gunpowder
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 29 January 2016 10: 32
    +4
    Who about what, and lousy about the bath ...
  • The black
    The black 29 January 2016 10: 35
    +2
    McCain moved his head back in Vietnamese captivity. He began one of his pre-election speeches with the words "My cellmates" wassat . Take his words seriously - you can’t, he’s sick all his head. When is Boris Moiseyev’s double, something clever uttered? laughing
  • meridbt
    meridbt 29 January 2016 10: 39
    0
    This is a real pest, including for the country it "serves". The Americans said that they could not yet replace the RD-180. What does he want?
    1. Simon
      Simon 29 January 2016 11: 02
      +2
      And he is striving for Russia to be in space leaders! Well done Macain! How interesting are such fools in America among senators? laughing
  • Primus pilus
    Primus pilus 29 January 2016 10: 42
    +2
    McCain wants a lot, but he cannot do anything.
  • Mirrorfax
    Mirrorfax 29 January 2016 10: 44
    +3
    Yes, the fact that these Yankees will stop flying - they will shoot in Hollywood that they fly. All higher and further. The benefit and experience is with a flight to the moon.
    Seeing from the slingshot Armstrong and the other then launched, since its engine is still not there.
    But they could not land their rocket. Fell, infection. Exploded.
    But they were on the moon.
    A century of will not to see ...
    Then they knew how, they just forgot how now. Like a student:
    -I knew ..... but forgot ....
  • Black
    Black 29 January 2016 10: 46
    +1
    Well, they have the same problems ..... Import substitution, however ...
  • AID.S
    AID.S 29 January 2016 10: 46
    +1
    He obviously didn’t succeed in selfies. They put more beautiful in a coffin ..
  • Kibl
    Kibl 29 January 2016 10: 47
    +1
    He’s still alive! Well done, he’s burning! The orderlies in Durkee are already exhausted waiting for the patient!
  • SibRUS
    SibRUS 29 January 2016 10: 49
    0
    It was not he who promised to fill up some factory with orders? crying

    Yuzhmash workers: "How can you live when you don't see your salary for six months"
    Specialists have not seen since September. They are sure that the legendary plant is falling apart before the eyes of the whole country
    Link: http://vesti-ukr.com/pridneprove/133869-rabochie-juzhmasha-pjatyj-mesjac-bez-zar
    flat
  • nord62
    nord62 29 January 2016 10: 49
    +1
    For the first time in my life, I can say that I support Mackes! laughing Let them refuse!
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 29 January 2016 10: 50
    0
    Senator prepares a bill prohibiting space enterprises from using Russian engines in the US
    Apparently a politician-McCain, more competent than McCain-an engineer-gap in education request !
  • Siberian
    Siberian 29 January 2016 10: 57
    +2
    Something the Yankees all about our engines often blather. But about deliveries from RUSSIA (if I am not mistaken, we are the main suppliers in the USA) Ti Titanium, the Yankees for some reason stubbornly remain silent. But this metal is used in aviation and military. Well, in other industries. Looks like this Makkashi has his own personal interest in the ban on these engines ..
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 29 January 2016 10: 58
    +2
    This is perhaps the only case where McCain can be supported! And then our somehow shy! The Americans introduced sanctions and we would have to answer - figs and not RD-180, figs and not delivery of astronauts to the ISS (and somehow we don’t need it ourselves anymore - the stage passed on the World).
  • Jackking
    Jackking 29 January 2016 10: 58
    0
    But what about the freedom of entrepreneurship, transparent borders? Americans absolutely oh ... whether - "let my house burn down. If only the neighbor's cow dies." The creatures, they think. that laws should only act as they should.
  • vic58
    vic58 29 January 2016 11: 01
    +1
    Hooray! Soon it will be fun: the H1N1 virus + swine flu, sucked the United States ... fool
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 29 January 2016 13: 26
      +1
      H1N1 virus + swine flu,
      ----------------------------- In fact, this is one and the same.
  • ANANATOLY PAULOV
    ANANATOLY PAULOV 29 January 2016 11: 02
    +1
    Entc McCain can PR as much as he sees fit. Whatever the child was amusing, if only he wouldn’t ask for vodka. But the real state of affairs is that in the near future, they will not be able to create engines that are at least close in performance, no matter how much money they give. Carried away by solid propellant engines at one time, the Americans were far behind in the LRE, and as far as I know, even those that were lost. It seems that they will have to return to the 60s, if not the 50s, to catch up. And for this reason it’s up to us to buy an RD-180, or it will not McCain, but those who desperately need them. And no congress along with taxpayers will help. And here we should control how Americans will use these engines. And it’s very tough to control. It’s not worth selling the club with an enemy that it’s going to crack you on the head with. No matter what money is given for it.
  • serkhan
    serkhan 29 January 2016 11: 03
    +1
    McCain is another dill. How many times have been noticed, weak brain impulses in similar ones are only in one direction: frostbite (I will not let develop) self (NASA) ears (engines, and at the same time space) to evil grandmother (what if somebody in Russia sees what McCain the Proud) wassat
  • njvlin
    njvlin 29 January 2016 11: 06
    +2
    The Vietnamese general said very well about McCain: “If we could know that this whiner would turn into a rabid hawk, we would shoot him in prison, not pardon him.” (Note. During the Vietnam War, this “hero-warrior” was captured and was in a Vietnamese prison, while every day he cried and begged on his knees for pardon)
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 January 2016 11: 09
    +1
    Oh, and stubborn, this shell-shocked and psychologically broken in Vietnam. The American land is rich in such "nuggets".
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 29 January 2016 11: 18
    0
    McCain is the sixth column! Mackainnyak is on a dime! It’s not the king’s thing, it’s built-America rocket engines into space that brought Hollywood!
  • bankirchik34
    bankirchik34 29 January 2016 11: 21
    0
    shell-shocked, well, what can you take from him))
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 January 2016 13: 12
      +1
      Quote: bankirchik34
      shell-shocked, what can you get from him



      Well, it's you in vain. By American standards - krasavisss mushshina and in the prime of life.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 29 January 2016 11: 23
    +6
    Well, I wish McCain good luck. And that's why. At present Energomash serially produces two engines: RD-180 for Atlas and RD-191 for Angara. Quite recently, the FKP began to understand the Phoenix project as a Zenit-sized rocket with an RD-170 engine. This engine is actually no longer produced, (a large series for Zenith was previously released, after the closure of Zenith, 5 engines were stuck at the plant), it is less reliable than the RD-180, but they say one RD-170 is cheaper than two RD-180s and therefore they are going to Phoenix put the first engine. If McCain gets his way, Energomash, instead of starting a new launch of production of the RD-170, will continue to use two RD-180s on Phoenix. And then an interesting opportunity opens up. We need a medium rocket of "proton" dimension more than a rocket of "zenith" dimension. And on this rocket it will already be necessary to install three RD-180s, an increase in serial production will reduce the price, the state will receive a monoblock for 27 tons, and a simpler design of the planned heavyweight (less side accelerators will be needed). And there are almost no payloads for Zenith in the world, this was proved by the economic collapse of the Sea Launch (all foreigners fled from it). Launching a promising spacecraft remains a problem, but launching on RD-170 is just a hoax, for a number of reasons it is not suitable for manned launches. Zenith already tried to adapt for this, but nothing came of it.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 29 January 2016 20: 10
      0
      Quote: Jurkovs
      but the launch on the RD-170 is simply a hoax, for a number of reasons it’s not suitable for manned launches. Zenit have already tried to adapt for this, but nothing came of it.

      Understood nothing request but the explanations are impressive! good
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 29 January 2016 11: 33
    +1
    "From a moral point of view, outrageous, but from a strategic point of view, it's just stupid ..."
    -
    -sell engines to an adversary who will launch military satellites and equipment directed against Russia into space.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 29 January 2016 11: 36
    +1
    McCain seeks a total ban on the use of Russian RD-180 in the US
    Yes, McCain, old age is not joy but umorazm. Develop your engine or buy from Ukraine. Your rockets will fall because you have already passed it.
  • valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 29 January 2016 11: 51
    +1
    I didn’t understand McCain’s message. Are these sanctions against us or against ourselves? Who will win the most and who will lose?
  • eternalmotor
    eternalmotor 29 January 2016 12: 13
    0
    McCain, you have to rest. God see everything!
  • triglav
    triglav 29 January 2016 12: 16
    0
    I would have taken it myself and developed a super-engine for the first stage. The old man in his repertoire.
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse 29 January 2016 12: 22
    +1
    Not a ride with him, it's a PR to remind myself. Our engines are more reliable and cheaper, and capitalists know how to count money.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 29 January 2016 16: 54
      0
      The Americans have already tried to use our engine, "improved" by the Ukrainians! The result is a grandiose "zilch"!
  • Stinger
    Stinger 29 January 2016 12: 34
    0
    And it is right. It’s high time to move your brain, and not buy strangers. Apart from printing dollars, not a damn thing can. McCain the chief designer - and go!
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 29 January 2016 12: 42
    0
    Makeyka again escaped from the chamber, but then I agree with him
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 29 January 2016 13: 23
    0
    And why is our Zhirinovsky silent?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 January 2016 13: 32
    0
    There is still a suspicion that the old man in Vietnam recruited ours. The bastard is working well. winked
  • Igor V
    Igor V 29 January 2016 14: 32
    +2
    I thought that the Merikos have made good Russia in the last ... twenty years? I didn’t find it (I don’t go to McDonald’s, I haven’t watched their films for a long time, they’re annoying). And now we sell them high-tech equipment, and the price may not be high. I don’t like it, whatever they say.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 January 2016 14: 45
    +2
    McCain, if the government is not listening, go on a hunger strike for three months so that they are ashamed. Maybe by that time and yeah, that one.
  • isker
    isker 29 January 2016 18: 41
    0
    Quote: vorobey

    September 27, 2002 - a license agreement was signed to export to the USA a complete set of design, technological and test documentation for the RD 180 engine.
    .


    Do not be fooled: the Americans did not pay a cent for the development of this engine — only as for the finished goods, and therefore the technical documentation was handed over to them in a strictly limited amount — such as how to properly screw this figovina to their contraption — no more and no less!
  • Azovian
    Azovian 29 January 2016 19: 02
    -1
    Full. They will fly into space on a broomstick.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 29 January 2016 19: 12
    +1
    Quote: just EXPL
    I advise you to read the history of NASA, you can read there that the United States flew into space back in the days of the USSR, when these engines were NOT delivered to them yet.
    I mean what, and the fact that they can do engines without us. it's just stupidly cheaper here.
    and no one will bury NASA with the abandonment of our engines. it’s just that the money for the engines will be received by the Americans, not us.
    don't consider yourself smarter than a whole country.

    States buy Russian engines not because they are cheap, because they are the best, and not from a good life. Since the last shuttle, the kirdyk has slowly come to the US space program. NASA has a deep crisis, and they cannot maintain space as before. Ended the engineers who studied in the 60-70s. years, but not new. And if you consider yourself too smart, then read already who has been serving the ISS for the last time, carries astronauts there, and performs manned space flights. I can tell you, this is ONE country you know.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 29 January 2016 19: 19
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Well, of course - Hollywood probably supplies them with RS 68 and RS 25 engines too - the latter has already been modernized and in 2018 it will fly on an SLS superheavy rocket.

    That's when it flies then we'll see, and I can do anything else. So far, the facts speak otherwise, namely, that the states themselves cannot fly into space.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 29 January 2016 19: 38
    0
    Well, McCain, well ... a garden scarecrow. Even the ravens are afraid. Do not scare the progressive public.