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Vladimir about Vladimir

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The other day, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave a reason, as they say, to hypocrite. We are talking about his words, in which a certain kind of criticism was addressed to Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin), or rather to the idea of ​​a state structure, Lenin proposed in his time. According to Putin, Lenin, still at the stage of the formation of the USSR, laid a “atomic bomb” under Russia. As soon as such a presidential statement became a kind of public domain, all sorts of political and political circles started up in an attempt to make a comment on this issue.


It was noteworthy that both frank liberals and representatives of communist ideas were shook up. Some, with notes of curiosity and active rubbing of hands, declared, they say, how it is - a former employee of the USSR KGB suddenly decided to criticize Lenin's ideas ... Others were offended by Vladimir Putin’s presidential statement, having decided that the current president would be liberal (and any) of Russia is a thing, to put it mildly, far from interfacing with state and popular interests.

In general, having criticized Lenin for his methods of building a new state formation on the splinters of the Russian Empire, the president himself was subjected to criticism and very slippery remarks from two opposite flanks. And this once again proved the following fact: interest in the intricacies stories and the historical path of Russia as such in our country is very great, and different views on the historical retrospective show often lead to spearheading not only among professional historians, but also among, so to speak, amateurs.

A few days later, during the inter-regional forum of the All-Russian Popular Front, President Vladimir Putin answered the question of one of the delegates that was specifically dedicated to Lenin’s statement of mistakes. In his response, the head of state decided to concretize his point of view, so as not to leave an understatement. The President explained that in the program of the first head of the Soviet state he personally does not like extreme liberalism, according to which any region can independently withdraw from the state, declaring full sovereignty. This, according to the president, was the very “atomic bomb” that Lenin laid under the state foundation. After all, as a result, the post-perestroika parade of sovereignties, which became the point of collapse of the USSR, actually grew out of the early ideas of building a Soviet state.

Vladimir about Vladimir


Putin stressed that he was more impressed with statehood with a proposal to one or another subject of autonomy, but not with proposals in the style “you can get out of the state at any time.” If the constitutions of all the major states were written with emphasis on the “way out”, it is unlikely that federations or even quasi-federative state entities could exist in the world by this time.

In order not to be again the object of criticism from the Russian “left”, the president made it clear that his attitude to Lenin’s idea of ​​state-building methods and the ideas of communism and socialism must be separated, just like these methods and ideas themselves. Of statements Vladimir Putin:

Like millions of Soviet citizens, 20 with over millions, I was a member of the CPSU, and I was not just a member of the Communist Party, I worked in an organization called the USSR State Security Committee for almost 20 for years. And this organization is the heiress of the Cheka, which was called the armed detachment of the party (...) Unlike many functionaries, I did not throw out the party ticket, did not burn it. (...) I really liked and still like communist and socialist ideas. If we look at the Code of the Builder of Communism, which was widely replicated in the Soviet Union, it is very similar to the Bible. This is not a joke, it is such an extract from the Bible in fact.


Why, after such statements by Vladimir Putin, it’s time to ask, who in modern Russia is the ideological leader of the “leftists”? .. Zyuganov, or what? .. It would seem that the Russian president showed his uniquely positive attitude to the ideas of the “left front”, therefore, he can also unambiguously be called a “left” politician. In fact, not everything is so simple, or, as it is fashionable to say for some time now, everything is not so simple.

Vladimir Putin, as they say, was not born yesterday, in order to take and give an unequivocal answer about his political preferences. After all, any announcement of the unambiguous preferences of a political ideology a priori can affect the political rating of the president himself. He told about sympathy to the communists - he lost a fair percentage of the rating from those who, to put it mildly, do not intend to sympathize with the communists. I would talk about sympathies to monarchists - would give another reason for reducing the level of public support from sympathizers who are already sympathetic to the same communists (real communists, and not ... well, in general it is understandable).

If we compare the statements of the president, he did everything to try to remain as if “above the fight”. Describing a clearly negative attitude to what is called the Red Terror, to executions and persecutions of priests, Putin drew "points" from those who think in the same categories, adding a few critical arrows to the leader of the world proletariat. At the same time, the president said about the sympathies of the Stalinist method of forming the state with the provision of autonomy, about the high-quality industrial breakthrough of the USSR and the unity of the people in the face of danger in the form of German Nazism, adding sympathy to socialist and communist ideas.

The result was that everyone heard from Putin what he wanted to hear (at least those who are inclined to listen to the statements of the president). Some have heard - "left", others - "liberal", the third - "frankly communist", the fourth - "anti-Soviet", the fifth - "Stalin". And given the fact that the parliamentary elections are not far off, it is this approach that can give the necessary points to the political structures that have become accustomed to speak under the portrait of the president. And the president is well aware of this. Another thing is that not all “marching” under presidential portraits to the highest echelons of power are ready to be guided by the principle “above the fight”, often trying, being in power, to concentrate on the circle of exclusively their own “purse” interests. And because the president is also aware of this ...

The result is the same: it seems to be far off before the elections, but the targeting by targets and the work with the masses have already begun. As one of the fields of such work: a discussion of historical issues that arouse great interest in Russian society and fuel interest in our home-grown form of debate.
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  1. apro
    apro 28 January 2016 06: 03
    +1
    Putin said great stupidity about VILenin, but why couldn’t he keep silent? There is nothing to bring down today's problems? To show what kind of anti-communist he is? A donkey can also kick a dead lion.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 08
      -30 qualifying.
      Quote: apro
      Putin said great stupidity about VILenin

      Oh, how the Communists don’t like the truth. Lenin created a fucking Ukraine, which is now shitting on us. Putin gave Leninists a good kick, for which he is a big plus. Another big plus will be when the mummy is disposed of.
      Quote: apro
      A dead lion can be kicked and a donkey.

      That Lenin was a lion laughing
      Chet look at him and see some kind of moth lol
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 28 January 2016 06: 14
        41
        In the photo he is sick after being wounded.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 15
          -70 qualifying.
          Quote: Yak28
          In the photo he is sick after being wounded.

          Poor thing, I’ll cry.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 06: 44
            46
            And what exactly is the "bomb"? I'm not sure that the republics would hardly want to enter if they could not hypothetically leave. I think no one likes to cut off their escape routes. This was the calculation. And so - yes! In the entertainment of the USSR, neither Gorbachev, nor Yeltsin, nor the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ala the 80s, nor the KGB are to blame, but only Lenin! Well, and a little more the Pope, Peter I and Chingz Khan.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 28 January 2016 08: 08
              18
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              And what exactly is the "bomb"

              According to Putin, even at the stage of the formation of the USSR, Lenin planted an “atomic bomb” under Russia

              It's hard to disagree with Putin .. apparently it's boiling, the fuse is smoldering, one country has already been blown up by the USSR, but on a different level we have the same thing .. the national "elites" have already bitten the bit and more terrible 5 columns will be the princes want absolute power
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 28 January 2016 08: 48
                16
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                one country has already blown up - the USSR,

                - Then on the ruins of the chapel ...
                - Excuse me, but is the chapel also me?
                - No, this is in the 14th century .. (c) film "Prisoner of the Caucasus"
                1. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 28 January 2016 11: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: Yak28
                  In the photo he is sick after being wounded.

                  Poor thing, I’ll cry.

                  Do not stomp on bones. According to the recommendations of the German luminaries, a person from German medicine was purposefully and persistently treated with compounds of mercury, arsenic, iodine. He held out for a long time. But in fact, the diagnosis (due to which they poisoned in full face) could not be confirmed.
                  1. Captain nemo
                    Captain nemo 28 January 2016 14: 52
                    +5
                    Quote: nadezhiva
                    But in fact, the diagnosis (due to which they poisoned in full face) could not be confirmed.

                    They didn’t confirm it after opening the body, and it was not comforting for the German luminaries - a medical error was made that did not take into account the fact that the bullet from Lenin’s neck was not removed, and she constantly pinched Ilyich’s carotid artery, but learned about it after him of death.
                  2. Cap.Morgan
                    Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 21: 38
                    -4
                    From the effects of syphilis? Well, there were no other means.
              2. Mahmut
                Mahmut 28 January 2016 09: 08
                -48 qualifying.
                The code of the builder of communism, which was widely circulated in the Soviet Union, it is very similar to the Bible

                Yes, yes, it reminds me, only there is no such commandment in the moral code as "do not make yourself an idol"
                They say that in the Finnish war our people lost 900 thousand people. Purely Russian question. Who is to blame? to whom to write off losses. On Manerheim, who did not forget what he was taught in backward tsarist Russia, on Stalin who started the war, or on Lenin’s grandfather, who gave Vyborg as a bonus to the Finnish separatists.
                What was greater - the Russian Empire or the USSR? And what is more appreciated - a whole vase or glued from fragments. The CPSU rained down, the USSR rained down. Because on snot Ilyich union glued. And glued purely under their dictatorial interests.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 28 January 2016 09: 22
                  -3
                  And nothing that one of the main calls of the leader ("the most alive of all living grandfather Lenin") is:

                  - more Gasstgels, commerce, more Gasstgels!

                  This is his leitmotif in everything that he did with Russia - destroyed.

                  And if on the subject, Putin gave a good hint at the British favorite tactics that they used to control the colonies - laying such bombs under the state. So they cut the borders in Asia (remember the line of Durand, Kashmir in India), in Russia, Lenin, at the suggestion of the British, laid the principle for the regions to leave the country.

                  If Stalin hadn’t taken the country into a fist at the time, then there would have been a collapse along the borders of the republics.


                  What else is needed to evaluate the leader?

                  Then, for the collapse of the country, the Bolsheviks used, in the 90s they used the liberals, as now



                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 28 January 2016 11: 04
                    21
                    I absolutely agree with you. USSR more merit of Stalin than Lenin
                    1. hedgehog in the fog
                      hedgehog in the fog 28 January 2016 11: 31
                      -19 qualifying.
                      Father, what’s going on, up to this article, the GDP was untouchable on this site, but as soon as he bawled Ilyich, our old bolsheviks howled like that, damn it damn !!! whom do you bet komunyaki, if you like Ilyich vote for Zyuganov, and in general this site is called Military Review, and not Bolshevik propaganda, here people express their opinions, they don’t sing odes to the Bolsheviks, they will soon begin to poison all the Bolsheviks like a censor or harti, how do you differ from those pro-Western morons ???
                      1. sa-ag
                        sa-ag 28 January 2016 14: 17
                        +8
                        Quote: hedgehog in the fog
                        how do you differ from those pro-Western morons ???

                        this is the opposite question already in the opposite direction, I hope you understand?
                      2. regsSSSR
                        regsSSSR 28 January 2016 17: 43
                        +7
                        hedgehog in the fog
                        priests what is going on, up to this article the GDP was untouchable on this site


                        hello! -this is when he managed to become untouchable on this site))! we have everything before the law because everyone is equal right?)) or do you think that someone is more equal than others))
                        you are here recently! on this, even not imagining what terrible battles were going on on this issue before the events of Syria and Ukraine! take an interest here old-timers will tell you))

                        hedgehog in the fog
                        ! on whom do you put komunyaki, if you like ilich vote for Zyuganov,


                        Oh Senya! can't beat! Novodvorskaya still resurrected laughing

                        hedgehog in the fog
                        soon all the Bolsheviks will begin to poison here as a censor or harti, how do you differ from those pro-Western morons ???


                        belay fool

                        hedgehog in the fog
                        and in general this site is called Military Review, and not Bolshevik propaganda, here people express their opinions, and do not sing odes to the Bolsheviks,


                        that's it! (sometimes smart thoughts also slip through you)! - everyone can freely express their opinion! For this, there is a site!
                        and do not forget about it!

                        and so you don’t get bored put a song!

                        Bonfire blue nights
                        We are pioneers working children
                        The time of the bright years is drawing near
                        The cry of the pioneers always be ready laughing
                      3. Lone wolf
                        Lone wolf 29 January 2016 18: 35
                        0
                        Quote: hedgehog in the fog
                        Father, what’s going on, up to this article, the GDP was untouchable on this site, but as soon as he bawled Ilyich, our old bolsheviks howled like that, damn it damn !!! whom do you bet komunyaki, if you like Ilyich vote for Zyuganov, and in general this site is called Military Review, and not Bolshevik propaganda, here people express their opinions, they don’t sing odes to the Bolsheviks, they will soon begin to poison all the Bolsheviks like a censor or harti, how do you differ from those pro-Western morons ???
                        Hello hedgehog ... you see after 90 g already born ,,, and maybe a little earlier, in general, did not catch the moment .. I understand it is easy to get lost in the Yeltsin fog
                  2. cast iron
                    cast iron 28 January 2016 20: 59
                    +1
                    But nothing that already in the Civil War in fact Empire cracked at the seams of national republics? Lenin worked in the realities of TOGO time. Now it’s very convenient to talk - knowing what will come.
                    1. Cap.Morgan
                      Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 21
                      +1
                      These seams went mainly through what later became the RSFSR - Siberia, Crimea, the South of Russia ...
                      Pieces in the form of Finland, Poland, and the Central Asian provinces split off due to the already existing isolation.
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                3. avva2012
                  avva2012 28 January 2016 09: 58
                  54
                  Quote: Mahmut They say that during the Finnish war our people lost 900 thousand people.

                  The first official figures of Soviet losses in the war were published at the session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on 26 March 1940: 48 475 dead and 158 863 wounded, sick and frostbite. According to reports from the troops on 15.03.1940: wounded, sick, frostbite - 248 090 killed and killed; at the stages of sanitary evacuation - 65 384; died in hospitals - 15 921;
                  missing - 14 043;
                  total irretrievable loss - 95 348.
                  According to the roll-call lists compiled in 1949 — 1951 by the General Directorate of Personnel of the USSR Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Ground Forces, the losses of the Red Army in the war were as follows:
                  died and died of wounds at the stages of sanitary evacuation - 71 214; died in hospitals from wounds and diseases - 16 292; missing - 39 369.
                  Between 1990 and 1995 in Russian historical literature and in journal publications, new, often conflicting, data have appeared on the losses of both the Soviet and Finnish armies, moreover, the general tendency of these publications was increasing from 1990 to 1995 the number of Soviet losses and a decrease in Finnish losses. So, for example, in the articles of M.I.Semiryaga (1989) the number of killed Soviet soldiers was indicated in 53,5 тыс., in the articles of A. M. Noskov, a year later, - 72,5 тыс., and in the articles of P. A. Pharmacist in 1995, - 131,5 тыс. As for the Soviet wounded, according to P.A. Aptekar, their number more than doubles the results of the study of Semiryaga and Noskov - up to 400 thousand people. According to the Soviet military archives and hospitals, sanitary losses amounted to (by name) 264 908 people. It is estimated that about 22 percent of the losses were frostbite.
                  They say in Moscow hens are being milked. Even in the most liberal years, such losses as yours were not thought of. With the initiative of you. I look forward to further, equally truthful studies and comments.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 28 January 2016 10: 07
                    -62 qualifying.
                    Here it is the Soviet power - 28 killed millions of people in the war, another revolution 10 millions, the first world still millions 5, several hundred thousand hunger, collectivization - 10 million people put on the brink of survival, but industry raised.
                    1. Corporal Valera
                      Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 10: 30
                      29
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Here it is Soviet power - 28 million people were killed in the war, another 10 million more, World War I another 5 million, famine several hundred thousand, collectivization - 10 million people put on the brink of survival

                      Here recently for people like you there was an article about Suvorov-Lizun. Do you get info from there? Modestly think. I recommend Solzhenitsin. That up to 100 lyam finish agreed.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 28 January 2016 19: 18
                        -5
                        From the history books dock films - there are many interesting things that pop up. The beginning of the USSR - the strategy of human "material"
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                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 28 January 2016 10: 52
                      17
                      but the industry was raised.
                      So this is where the great evil of Soviet power was raised by industry. Now it’s clear why Putin won the Yeltsin Mausoleum. for the destruction of industry.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 28 January 2016 19: 20
                        -2
                        The fact that industry has been raised is a plus, and the fact that the people are cattle for slaughter is a minus.
                      2. Cap.Morgan
                        Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 26
                        -1
                        Soviet power raised industry before it was thoroughly destroyed. Those were still economists and business executives. To begin with, the industry of the Russian Empire collapsed. They generally did not need industry.
                        Why is it, when the social revolution is coming in the advanced countries of the world? Only an understanding of the fact that the fools in the West is dumb forced the Marxists to begin industrialization.
                    3. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 28 January 2016 11: 19
                      47
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Here it is Soviet power - 28 million people were killed in the war

                      I understood you correctly - all these 28 million were killed by the Soviet government? But the Reich and its allies have nothing to do with it? belay

                      Soon they will begin to say that the Nazis came to save the Soviet people from Soviet power ...
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      the first world another 5 million

                      What, and in World War I ruined the people?
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 28 January 2016 19: 06
                        -12 qualifying.
                        I could take measures to prevent such casualties, but I did.
                      2. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 29 January 2016 10: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I could take measures to prevent such casualties, but I did.

                        What specific measures could the Soviet government take to prevent losses?
                  2. Yars
                    Yars 28 January 2016 11: 50
                    +8
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Here it is the Soviet power - 28 killed millions of people in the war, another revolution 10 millions, the first world still millions 5, several hundred thousand hunger, collectivization - 10 million people put on the brink of survival, but industry raised.

                    The industry has risen solely thanks to the great leader Joseph Stalin!
                    1. A_l_nad
                      A_l_nad 28 January 2016 18: 52
                      -10 qualifying.
                      industry rose exclusively thanks to the great leader Joseph Stalin and the peoples of the USSR. How many of them died there ...
                    2. cast iron
                      cast iron 28 January 2016 21: 03
                      0
                      GOELRO was started by Lenin. Without electrification of the whole country, Stalin would not have raised anything.
                  3. olegactor
                    olegactor 28 January 2016 12: 07
                    21
                    about the war, complete nonsense .. forgot about nemchuru .... and the Soviet government returned all the territories that the tsar had tarnished ... and even took Kaliningrad from the fascists ..... the gdp has less success so far
                    1. Captain nemo
                      Captain nemo 28 January 2016 15: 22
                      -2
                      Quote: olegactor
                      and the Soviet government returned all the territories that the tsar pissed away ... and even Kaliningrad was taken from the Nazis

                      This is Bialystok, Augustow, Suwalki with Przemysl, according to you, the tsar fucked up, raving ideas - "Peace at any cost"?
                      And about Kaliningrad it’s generally funny, not only does it not geographically cover Bialystok, Augustow, Suwalki, it also gives 2/3 of East Prussia to its sworn brother Poland.
                    2. Pissarro
                      Pissarro 28 January 2016 17: 10
                      10
                      The tsar was about ... everything, the whole empire and absolutely without the help of the Bolsheviks. By the way, he got near Mogilev, the cities you indicated at the time of his abdication were long and firmly occupied by the Germans. The Provisional Government agreed with Poland’s independence, Lenin gave Finland independence, Poland already was not under his control
                  4. RUSS
                    RUSS 28 January 2016 19: 58
                    -2
                    Quote: olegactor
                    and the Soviet government returned all the territories that the tsar had tainted

                    The Bolsheviks pissed off the Soviet-Polish war and Poland passed accession to Soviet Russia, they say now they say not horseradish was needed then and now Poland and Finland, but who knows .....
                  5. Prophetic
                    Prophetic 28 January 2016 23: 59
                    +3
                    Quote: RUSS

                    The Bolsheviks pissed off the Soviet-Polish war
                    A vivid example of the current level of education of victims of the exam.
                    1. This Poland attacked the USSR. They occupied Kiev. Our knocked them out of there so that only the heels sparkled. They almost took Warsaw. Is this called prosral Soviet-Polish war? Come on....
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Poland passed accession to Soviet Russia
                    There was no such task at that time. Civil across the country was blazing. Not to Poland.
              3. Alone
                Alone 28 January 2016 12: 50
                26
                Quote: Vadim237
                killed 28 million people in the war

                Damned Bolsheviks, right ?! German Nazis were going to free the Russians from the Communist yoke, and the Bolsheviks, taking this opportunity, built all kinds of buchenwalds and Auschwitz to burn 28 million. They also arranged the first world war and Genghis Khan and Napoleon called ... What sometimes with heads ...
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 28 January 2016 19: 10
                  -10 qualifying.
                  They just treated people as a consumable - I'm talking about the attitude of the Soviet government towards people.
                2. 34 region
                  34 region 28 January 2016 19: 38
                  +9
                  Vadim! 19.10/XNUMX. And today people are treated like? Today, people are consumables or great value? Is everything for people today?
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 28 January 2016 23: 06
                  -3
                  At least we do not have such losses as at the beginning of the twentieth century. Now people in Russia are at least not consumables.
                4. 34 region
                  34 region 28 January 2016 23: 17
                  +4
                  Vadim! 23.06/XNUMX. If we have no losses today, then why was there no population growth? Why was the number of kindergartens and schools reduced? If everything is fine with us, then why is religion planting? If people today are not supplies, but great value, then why do you have to pay for everything? Why is it not decreasing, but the number of working hours per month? Why is the minimum wage less than the subsistence level? Why is the rent equal to the minimum wage? Is it love and respect for people?
                5. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 28 January 2016 23: 41
                  -5
                  There was no population growth - maybe it was necessary to ask the population why they did not want to give birth, but now the birth rate has gone up - I noticed an interesting trend in countries where the level of security is high - they give birth less than in countries where the welfare level is low, why everything was closed and it was sold out - they abruptly entered the market economy, not knowing what to do in it, how to do it - scammers took advantage of this. Why you have to pay for everything - but name the country where you do not have to pay. The number of working hours is growing. Where is it? - Not that the demand for products has soared to the top. This is not love for people, but the attitude is not bad.
                6. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 4 February 2016 19: 37
                  +1
                  Can you write from Moscow or from Chechnya?
        2. cast iron
          cast iron 28 January 2016 21: 04
          +3
          You are an ignoramus. Understand this for yourself.
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 28 January 2016 19: 59
        -1
        Quote: Alone
        Damned Bolsheviks

        They signed the shameful Brest peace with a nonsense for the sake of personal ambitions.
      3. Prophetic
        Prophetic 28 January 2016 21: 07
        +5
        Quote: RUSS
        They signed the shameful Brest peace with a nonsense for the sake of personal ambitions.
        Did he invent this nonsense himself, or who suggested? What ambitions are you talking about, smart guy? At least what was the situation at the fronts, you know? At least in general terms? The front fell apart. There was nothing to resist. It was about life and death. What ambitions ?! And where do you come from?
      4. RUSS
        RUSS 28 January 2016 22: 17
        -3
        Quote: Prophetic
        What ambitions are you talking about, smart guy?

        Yes, I'm smart, enviously?
        Quote: Prophetic
        At least what was the situation at the fronts, you know?

        I know, moreover, thanks to the red agitators, the army was decomposing.
        Quote: Prophetic
        The front fell apart. There was nothing to resist.

        More likely not by anyone, but by nothing.
        Quote: Prophetic
        It was about life and death.

        About the life and death of the whole Bolshevik undertaking.
        Quote: Prophetic
        And where do you come from?

        From Alpha Centauri.
      5. Prophetic
        Prophetic 28 January 2016 22: 42
        +7
        What a smart guy you are, you can see from your stupid posts, boy. For example, of these:
        Quote: RUSS
        I know, moreover, thanks to the red agitators, the army was decomposing.
        Once again he sat in a puddle. The army fell apart thanks to the interim government. Here's your homework: Thanks to what law, the Russian army began to scatter home? What was this law about? Who wrote it and when?
        Quote: RUSS
        About the life and death of the whole Bolshevik undertaking.
        1. The Germans fought with Russia, and not with the Bolsheviks. And they didn’t care whom to rob.
        2. The Bolsheviks raised power "off the pavement." If not for their idea, Russia, as a single state, would not have existed by now.
        Quote: RUSS
        And where do you come from?

        From Alpha Centauri.

        Who would doubt that.
      6. RUSS
        RUSS 28 January 2016 22: 58
        -2
        Quote: Prophetic
        The army collapsed thanks to the interim government.

        Kerensky began Lenin finished.
        Quote: Prophetic
        The Germans fought with Russia, and not with the Bolsheviks. And they didn’t care whom to rob.

        They fought with Russia, and signed an agreement with the Bolsheviks, eventually losing to the losing country.

        Quote: Prophetic
        The Bolsheviks took power "off the pavement." If it were not for their idea, Russia, as a single state, would not have existed by now.

        They built a country that did not last 70 years, the Romanovs collected 300 years, before them the Rurikovichs, and the red ones in the 91st merged such a country!
        Failed to create a state "for the future", Stalin died, holding her in black gauntlets, and the country with each five-year plan quietly rolled to collapse.

        Quote: Prophetic
        Who would doubt that.

        Do you want to visit us at Alpha Centauri?
      7. 34 region
        34 region 28 January 2016 23: 35
        +5
        Russ! 22.58. Reds leaked the country in the 91st! Why not immediately leaked? Why did they fight against fascism, and not against them? Why did the Union return part of the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, while others distributed Kemsky volosts, can you take it fast !? Why did the Union develop economically for 70 years, and modern Russia is bent along with the whole world? what The Union could support half the world, but today we cannot support ourselves.
      8. Prophetic
        Prophetic 28 January 2016 23: 44
        +4
        Quote: RUSS

        Kerensky began Lenin finished.
        Again not true. And all because you do not do your homework. You answer the questions then. Maybe then something will become clear in an empty head.
        Quote: RUSS
        and signed an agreement with the Bolsheviks, eventually losing to the losing country
        Ie it was not necessary to sign the contract, but it was necessary to give the Germans to reach St. Petersburg and Moscow? belay Thank God that Lenin was at the helm, and not the current stupid people.
        Quote: RUSS
        Failed to create a state "for the future
        Yes, they didn’t. But we were the first. We did not build socialism as much as we fought for survival. Therefore, socialism was barracks, primitive. The first pancake is always lumpy. Bourgeois revolutions also did not suddenly win. The French bourgeois revolution gave birth to Napoleon, who became emperor and buried this revolution. So it's not evening yet. We are in the process. Moreover, socialism did not die, but changed in other countries. Although there, the ideal is still very far away. Although to whom I explain this, Lord!
        Quote: RUSS
        Do you want to visit us at Alpha Centauri?
        The main thing is that you have strong grids there and prick regularly. And then God forbid you mix with normal people.
      9. RUSS
        RUSS 29 January 2016 21: 32
        -1
        Quote: Prophetic
        Again not true. And all because you do not do homework

        "Homework" ask your wife and children who are.
        Quote: Prophetic
        So it's not evening yet. We are in the process

        Come on comrades! Go to the socialist future!
        Oh science fiction mother yours!

        Quote: Prophetic
        The main thing is that you have strong grids there and prick regularly.

        Here, here-all disagreeable in jail or in a nuthouse, nothing new!
        How do you all the red-bellied ones look alike, and you also mow Olezhek under Oleg the Prophetic.
  2. 34 region
    34 region 28 January 2016 23: 23
    +2
    Russ! 22.17. wassat Army decayed thanks to red agitators? And when did they begin to corrupt the army? In February, October? If the Bolsheviks spread the army, then who fought in the Civil? In general, Kerensky built, built, but the Bolsheviks came and spoiled everything during the night! wassat
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 29 January 2016 21: 33
    0
    Quote: Region 34
    but the Bolsheviks came and ruined everything during the night!

    For the night of November 7!
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  5. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 33
    -4
    The Bolsheviks destroyed this front.
    There was a slogan about the development of an imperialist war into a civil one. They called for fraternization with the Germans.
    Then Stalin made conclusions from the experience of the First World War. Specialists appeared. Dissenters immediately went to the tribunal. And to the wall.
  6. Rastas
    Rastas 28 January 2016 21: 17
    +5
    And why the hell did you get involved in this criminal war? For the interests of British and French capital? Hemingway: “The last war, from 1915 to 1918, was the greatest, ruthless and most mediocre massacre in history. And if someone says otherwise, he’s just a liar. Writers then either propaganda, or were silent, or went to fight Many of those who went to the front perished, and we no longer know what wonderful writers they could have made after the war. "
  7. RUSS
    RUSS 28 January 2016 22: 18
    0
    Quote: Rastas
    And why the hell did they get involved in this criminal war?

    An allied treaty obliged the Serbs.
  8. Rastas
    Rastas 28 January 2016 22: 50
    +2
    And what was written in this agreement? Why was he needed? So that Serbia could conduct its nationalist propaganda, kill with the help of its agents the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and then run to Russia for help? And how does the offensive in East Prussia fit with the supposedly allied treaty with Serbia?
  9. Vadim237
    Vadim237 28 January 2016 23: 15
    0
    And we do not know all the terrible torment that the Russian people suffered before dying - from 1905 to 1945, as well as the exact number of deaths during this period of time.
  • Rastas
    Rastas 28 January 2016 19: 51
    +2
    Listen, according to this principle, let's ban Christianity and declare it an extremist ideology, because it has come not only to sermons to Russia. By fire and sword, Vladimir, called Holy, Russia baptized. But nothing, we all go to church, we all pray.
  • the villain
    the villain 28 January 2016 20: 30
    +3
    Quote: Vadim237
    but the industry was raised.

    Without industry, would Aloisych manage? Not sure. And by the way, what did the Soviet government have to do with the victims of World War I ???
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 January 2016 23: 18
      -3
      And the time of coming to Soviet power is also taken into account.
  • cast iron
    cast iron 28 January 2016 21: 02
    +5
    You are a militant ignoramus and an anti-Soviet Russophobe. With what I congratulate you.
  • luxprofi
    luxprofi 28 January 2016 22: 35
    +3
    Forgot dear about 100 five hundred million killed personally by Stalin. And in more detail, please, how much did the population decline under Yeltsin?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 28 January 2016 22: 43
      -4
      Quote: luxprofi
      Forgot dear about 100 five hundred million killed personally by Stalin. And in more detail, please, how much did the population decline under Yeltsin?

      I’m reading more than a dozen such comments on this site, this is not new, come up with something new.
  • alexej123
    alexej123 28 January 2016 11: 32
    11
    Bravo, bull's-eye. When you undertake to comment, especially when you refer to figures and say "they say" - it's like Owen's report on the Litvinenko case: "Probably could, maybe, most likely."
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 January 2016 10: 47
    16
    Because on snot Ilyich union glued
    But Putin doesn't even have that. Islamized Tatarstan no Erdogan dreamed. Who prevented the republics from becoming provinces in 15 years, as was the case in the Russian Empire?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 January 2016 11: 21
      +9
      Quote: Gardamir
      But Putin doesn't even have that. Islamized Tatarstan no Erdogan dreamed. Who prevented the republics from becoming provinces in 15 years, as was the case in the Russian Empire?

      With the national republics - yes, it didn’t work out. But part of the national autonomies, Mr. Dragon eliminated, combining with the edges.
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 35
      -2
      Governors and interfered.
      And nat movement.
      And also the oligarchs.
      Putin didn’t have a credit of trust.
  • Good cat
    Good cat 28 January 2016 14: 01
    +3
    Who told you about 900 thousand?, "They say .." is a bad link.
  • Alf
    Alf 28 January 2016 18: 16
    +4
    Quote: Mahmut
    They say that during the Finnish war our people lost 900 thousand people.

    And who is talking? And why 900 thousand, not 9 million?
    Finland losses
    Military
    According to an official statement published in the Finnish press on May 23, 1940, the total irretrievable losses of the Finnish army during the war amounted to 19 576 killed and 3263 missing (total - 22 839 people).

    According to modern estimates:
    • killed - approx. 26 thousand people (according to Soviet data of 1940 - 85 thousand people);
    • wounded - 40 thousand people. (according to Soviet data of 1940 - 250 thousand people.);
    • prisoners - 1000 people.
    Thus, the total losses in the Finnish troops during the war amounted to 67 thousand people. Brief information about each of the victims from the Finnish side has been published in a number of Finnish publications.

    Current information on the circumstances of the death of Finnish military personnel:
    • 16 died in battle, the remains were evacuated;
    • 3433 died in battle, the remains were not evacuated;
    • 3671 died in hospitals from injuries;
    • 715 died for non-combat reasons (including from illness);
    • 28 died in captivity;
    • 1727 went missing and declared dead;
    • The cause of death of 363 troops is unknown.
    A total of 26 Finnish troops were killed.
    Losses of foreign volunteers
    The Swedish volunteer corps during the war lost 33 people dead and 185 wounded and frostbite (and frostbite made up the vast majority - about 140 people).
    In addition, 1 Italian was killed - Sergeant Manzochchi

    USSR losses
    The first official figures of Soviet losses in the war were published at a session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on March 26, 1940: 48 dead and 475 wounded, sick and frostbite.
    According to reports from the troops on 15.03.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX:
    • wounded, sick, frostbite - 248 090;
    • killed and died at the stages of sanitary evacuation - 65;
    • died in hospitals - 15 921;
    • missing - 14;
    • total irretrievable losses - 95.
    Nominal Lists
    According to the roll-call lists compiled in 1949 — 1951 by the General Directorate of Personnel of the USSR Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Ground Forces, the losses of the Red Army in the war were as follows:

    • died and died of wounds at the stages of sanitary evacuation - 71;
    • died in hospitals from wounds and diseases - 16;
    • missing - 39.
    In total, 126 troops were irretrievable losses on these lists.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 28 January 2016 20: 56
    +3
    Quote: Mahmut
    They say that during the Finnish war our people lost 900 thousand people.

    Why not 100500 millions? The more I live, the more I am convinced - the hater of socialism, this is for the most part a stupid, illiterate, stupid person with the formation of the 2,5 class of the central vocational school.
  • cast iron
    cast iron 28 January 2016 20: 58
    +2
    Well, it’s necessary that some Mahmut talks about what the USSR was glued to, which in 1941-1945 survived the war that was the most terrible in the history of the Earth and did not stick up! Well then! They say the Finnish lost 900 Mahmut? Do you lie? )) You are an ignoramus and Russophobian anti-Soviet.
  • Pokast
    Pokast 31 January 2016 16: 34
    0
    read the archives and do not talk nonsense about talking) and the losses were big when breaking the Finnish defense. that yes
  • Idiot
    Idiot 8 February 2016 22: 31
    0
    For Mahmut (1): for you ours, - which in a ravine a horse eats up.
  • Yars
    Yars 28 January 2016 11: 47
    -6
    This is who blew the USSR, Putin, you mean? Do you smoke that dear liberal ?! The destruction of the USSR is the result of the wrong structure of the state under the leadership of Lenin, which Putin himself said! After Stalin's poisoning, the people of Lenin and Trotsky smoothly led the USSR to collapse, for example, the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine, etc.
    1. assam4
      assam4 28 January 2016 13: 49
      14
      [quote] The destruction of the USSR is the result of the improper state structure under the leadership of Lenin, which Putin actually said! / quote]
      Of course, it was Lenin who announced the "independence" of the RSFSR from other republics, he said, "take as much sovereignty as you can carry." In Belovezhskaya Pushcha, Lenin probably also signed an agreement ... belay
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 28 January 2016 21: 06
      +7
      Pitting Lenin with Stalin is a long-standing fun of anti-Soviet Russophobes of all stripes. The USSR was killed by well-defined people with names, surnames and positions. By the way, the inaction of KGB agents such as Putin and higher generals also killed the USSR. Comrade Putin prefers to keep silent about himself, what he did as a KGB sworn in 1991, when his comrades destroyed the USSR.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 28 January 2016 22: 35
        +1
        Quote: cast iron
        Pitting Lenin with Stalin is a long-standing fun of anti-Soviet Russophobes of all stripes.

        Stalin was and until the last days remained Leninist., But to denigrate the name of Lenin and Stalin was the main task of the anti-Soviet. The second task of the anti-Soviet is to incite ethnic hatred and, unfortunately, the society was not ready to attack socialist ideals.
    3. Prophetic
      Prophetic 28 January 2016 21: 53
      +3
      Quote: YARS
      The destruction of the USSR is the result of an improper state structure under the leadership of Lenin
      Bullshit and nonsense.
      1. Any structure in general of anything, and the state in particular, is optimal only in certain conditions and time frames. In principle, it cannot be true always, everywhere and for all time. Lenin was solving specific problems for his conditions and his time. WHO HINDER ITS OUTSIDE TO CHANGE THE PRINCIPLES OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE USSR? No one. It was just that nobody needed it. That’s why in due time they transferred Crimea to Ukraine, because it was only a question of contour maps and no more.
      2. The collapse of the USSR was the result of the collapse of socialism, and not vice versa. Socialism fell apart. It is a fact. Why is this a separate conversation. And after that, no laws could save the country from collapse. The law is just words on paper. It gains strength only when there are people who are willing to fulfill it and punish it for non-compliance. And die for him, if necessary. And when such people disappear - the law is not worth the paper on which it is written. So if anyone is to blame, it is not Lenin, who created the laws of the formation of the USSR 90 years ago, but such people as Putin, who were obliged to protect him.
  • AID.S
    AID.S 28 January 2016 12: 26
    +4
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    And what exactly is the "bomb"

    According to Putin, even at the stage of the formation of the USSR, Lenin planted an “atomic bomb” under Russia

    It's hard to disagree with Putin .. apparently it's boiling, the fuse is smoldering, one country has already been blown up by the USSR, but on a different level we have the same thing .. the national "elites" have already bitten the bit and more terrible 5 columns will be the princes want absolute power

    Crimea returned to Russia on the fact of the will of the people, Abkhazia and South Ossetia became "states" on the basis of the very same Ilyich atomic bomb. For what?
  • g1v2
    g1v2 28 January 2016 18: 01
    -3
    Here everyone condemned the ban on ideology - they say that it is he who does not allow us to live. Well, AND WHAT DO YOU, PEOPLE, IDEOLOGY, IF YOU HAVE AFTER ANY 90 YEARS BACK HUMAN, UNTIL THE TIMES OF THE WOMAN'S BREAK? According to the comments, it is immediately clear that no one ideology will die from old age, everyone who is tearing each other up due to the events of a hundred years ago will not. After 50 years, the descendants will figure out what kind of ideology they will need. By that time, that the USSR, that the Russian Empire, that the Moscow Principality or Kievan Rus will become an equally long history and are unlikely to excite anyone. hi In the meantime, as long as we are all alive, the beloved declared ideology will separate us, not unite us. If our authorities can come up with some kind of unifying ideology, then I will be very surprised, because I myself do not see this.
    1. Prophetic
      Prophetic 28 January 2016 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: g1v2
      If our authorities can come up with some kind of unifying ideology, then I will be very surprised that maybe such a thing

      Yes, she, this ideology, has long existed. You just don’t see her. Write it down. drinks
      The national idea is the construction of a society in which:
      1. There are all types of property. THERE ARE RICH, BUT NO OLIGARCHES.
      2. THERE ARE LEADERS chosen by the people, BUT NO ALL-POWERING LEADERS.
      3. This is a society where ECONOMY is for MAN, not MAN for ECONOMY.
      4 This is a society where all the resources of the country, donated by God to man, are EVERYONE owned by EVERYONE.
      5. A society where everyone has equal opportunities to receive education and medical care.
      6. A society in which a person cannot be a beggar if he is ready and able to work.
      7. A society in which the PRINCIPLE is respected: the stronger you are (richer, occupy a higher post, etc.) MORE THAN your responsibility to society!
      8. A society in which the creative potential of EVERY person can be maximally realized.
      Such a society is called socialism.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 28 January 2016 23: 05
        0
        I do not like this ideology, many, too. And what are we going to kill each other? request
  • Rastas
    Rastas 28 January 2016 19: 42
    +2
    If Lenin is guilty, then what prevents Putin from changing the constitution and abolishing division on a national basis? Once they have already made changes, increasing the presidential term from 4 to 6 years, now we need to take on a larger case. But seriously, Lenin did everything logically with the time in which he lived. If the USSR is a voluntary education, entry into it is voluntary, then you can also leave it. This was an example for other countries that were built by conquest and colonial robbery. Then the country can fall apart in different ways. The USSR collapsed in the most barbaric way, it is difficult to blame Lenin. If the former republics maintained cultural, economic, social ties with the absence of borders and visas for travel, without any national wars, without changing socialism to capitalism, then the collapse of the USSR would not have been so acute.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 28 January 2016 22: 10
    -1
    Putin emphasized that he was more impressed by statehood with a proposal to certain subjects of autonomy, but not with proposals in the style of "you can leave the state at any time"

    It’s hard to disagree. Who rested a partner who cannot be trusted with a back?
    Hi Europe, the haircut has just begun)
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  • heal
    heal 28 January 2016 08: 31
    11
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    And so - yes! Neither Gorbachev, nor Yeltsin, nor the Communist Party of the Allies of the 80s, nor the KGB, but Lenin alone are to blame for the Soviet Union’s deception.

    Just as now Obama and sanctions are to blame for the failure of Putin's economic policy.
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      1. Combitor
        Combitor 28 January 2016 09: 59
        -14 qualifying.
        Arbogast (2), corporal, you will never become a general ...
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 10: 36
          11
          Quote: Kombitor
          Corporal, you will never become a general ...

          When essentially there is nothing, you can go to the individual. Count more commas yes
          1. Combitor
            Combitor 29 January 2016 06: 54
            0
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            When there’s essentially nothing

            When, looking at a book, you see a huge figurine in front of your eyes and nothing else, then explaining the essence of what has been written to you is a disastrous business. I read your comments and others like you. The main goal is to light up as quickly as possible and grab the "plus sign" in order to pick another asterisk in half with grief. All your comments are one void. But even for the very fact of the appearance of a comment, the program puts a "plus", that's how they limped to lieutenant general. At the same time, minus everyone who did not please you. For example, I haven't put a minus on anyone yet. I will not deliver to you either. Much honor for someone like you. I have the honor.
  • Stas57
    Stas57 28 January 2016 09: 10
    17
    And what exactly is the "bomb"?

    there was 2 system of the origin of the USSR in the fall of 1922-Lenin and Stalin
    Lenin defeated.

    However, his strategy had a mistake that was not visible with a strong USSR, but with a weak one, it rained down ..



    In August 1922, on the proposal of the Politburo of the Central Committee, a commission was created to prepare for the next Central Committee Plenary Meeting the question of the relationship between the RSFSR and the independent national Soviet republics. The chairman of the commission was I. Stalin, who, since the inception of the first Soviet government, had led the People’s Commissariat for Ethnic Affairs. Moreover, from the time of pre-revolutionary times, Stalin gained the authority of a specialist on the national question. The commission included: V. Kuibyshev, G. Ordzhonikidze, X. Rakovsky, G. Sokolnikov and representatives of national republics - one from each. Stalin prepared a draft resolution providing for the entry of Ukraine, Belarus, the Transcaucasian republics into the RSFSR as autonomous republics. The question of the remaining republics remained open. The Stalin resolution was called the autonomy project. The All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR became the supreme bodies of state power in the new state, and the majority of the people's commissariats of the republics were subordinate to the corresponding people's commissariats of the RSFSR. Stalin's draft was sent out for discussion in the Central Committee of the Communist Parties of the Republics. It was approved by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan and Armenia. The Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia came out against it, saying that unification in the form of autonomy is premature, unification of economic and general policies is necessary, but with all the attributes of independence preserved. In fact, this meant the formation of a confederation of Soviet republics, based on the unity of military, political, diplomatic and partly - economic activity.
    At a meeting of the commission of 23 and 24 of September 1922 (chaired by V. Molotov), ​​the draft of Stalin was adopted. The Georgian project is rejected. The three republics are actually against autonomy, but Stalin's proposal is accepted! At the same time, the commission assumed its decision after its approval at the Plenum of the Central Committee to transfer the national Central Committee as a directive for implementation without any discussion. The plenary session was scheduled for October 5. Discussion materials were sent to Lenin in Gorki.

    After reviewing the materials of the commission, Lenin meets with Stalin summoned to Gorki and convinces him to change paragraph 1 of the draft. On the same day, Lenin wrote a letter for the members of the Politburo "On the formation of the USSR", in which he emphasized that the RSFSR should recognize itself as equal with other republics and "together and on an equal basis with them" enter the new union. It must be assumed that such a formula, for all the demagogic policy of the Bolsheviks, was the only acceptable one, possible for implementation without a new civil war. At the end of September, Lenin talks with the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of Georgia P. Mdivani, with members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Georgia. He, who considered the question "paramount," is convinced that Stalin has an urge to hurry. Therefore, Lenin advises to show maximum caution and tolerance in solving the national question in the Transcaucasus.
    http://www.hrono.ru/sobyt/1900sob/cccp.php
    1. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 10: 50
      +3
      I do not quite understand, are you for the Leninist model or for the Stalinist? You write
      Quote: Stas57
      However, his strategy had a mistake that was not visible with a strong USSR, but with a weak one, it rained down ..

      And then quote
      Quote: Stas57
      Lenin meets with Stalin called to Gorki and convinces him to change paragraph 1 of the draft.

      So convincing arguments brought, no?
      And further in the text
      It must be assumed that such a formula, with all the demagogic policy of the Bolsheviks, was the only acceptable one, possible to implement without a new civil war.

      In any case, it is not Lenin's fault that the USSR suddenly "became weak." Moreover, the republics would have fallen off even with the Stalinist project. They outraged the Constitution so terribly there that one article is less than another.


      1. Stas57
        Stas57 28 January 2016 10: 57
        +6
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        I do not quite understand, are you for the Leninist model or for the Stalinist? You write

        and where am I?
        I am not Putin. I just showed a general ignorance of the screamers and what he, Putin, meant by the bomb (sovereign countries with the right to exit), which they instantly took advantage of.
        whether it’s good or bad - it’s not for me to judge



        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 11: 29
          +7
          Well then, I repeat once again that several articles of the Constitution were violated. One more than one less. If the Balts were autonomy, do you think it would stop them then? The referendum was ignored, and autonomy ...
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 12: 08
            +9
            PS And yes, what prevented Stalin from amending the Constitution in 1936? Apparently, Lenin considered the arguments very convincing that he did not change them even after 15 years.
            Now all the "bombs" have been removed. We can only hope that, God forbid, autonomy will save our homeland. Only it seems to me that the dog did not rummage in autonomies.
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 28 January 2016 12: 23
              0
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              And yes, what prevented Stalin from amending the Constitution in 1936?

              Yes, it seems obvious why before the war the state system was not broken, and why after the war they did not break, the same is obvious.

              Quote: Corporal Valera
              If the Balts were autonomy, do you think it would stop them then?

              the Baltic states would just obviously enter just like Finland or Poland ... here we are talking about Lenin's redistribution of Ukraine and Belarus.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 12: 37
              +1
              Quote: Stas57
              yes, it seems obvious why they didn’t break before the war, and why they didn’t break after the war - the same is obvious

              I do not know. It’s not obvious to me. Share it
              Quote: Stas57
              here we are talking about Lenin's redistribution of Ukraine and Belarus.

              Uh no! We did not talk about this. Here I am also not on the side of Lenin. Although, kmk, the territory of Ukraine at the time of 1918 was also very conditionally outlined. They there claimed a lot from February. The bread-box was opened as far as the Far East. What about modern propaganda? Rafik has no wine at all! (C) This is all Lenin! You heard about 2 years ago that Lenin tricked Ukraine? I personally do not. With the onset of the conflict, this skeleton was pulled out. And how was the territorial issue really resolved - this great secret is. For me anyway.
    2. alecsis69
      alecsis69 28 January 2016 16: 08
      +1
      “Stalin has a tendency to hurry,” Lenin was an experienced publicist and his formulations are not accidental. This phrase does not speak of Lenin's fundamental disagreement with the Stalinist position, but of its premature, in his opinion.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 28 January 2016 09: 19
    +9
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    Well and a little bit more pope

    Here you hit the spot. No matter how we relate to Lenin, knowing or not knowing, but somewhere in the 90s from someone having heard or read in the "Ogonyok" sold to the West, his involvement in the Trotskyist Red Terror, which used Western money to destroy Russian the people, nevertheless, must clearly understand that it was precisely Lenin who did not have such a goal. Perhaps there was an excessive adherence to Marxism, which led to mistakes, but thanks to Lenin, the foundation that he managed to lay in the process of creating a state of a new format for that time, Stalin managed to cope with the Trotskyists and bring the country out of the impasse, so much so that the state not only revived, but became the greatest powerful power.
    But at the expense of the Pope you need to think very well. Is it not the Vatican basements where the cause of all our troubles lies? Was it not there that the idea of ​​destroying the Russian world was born? Is it not from there that Freemasonry came out, embodying this idea in life, capturing world finances? Apparently, Lenin had nothing to do with them, unlike Trotsky. And the USSR was collapsed not at the request of its members, who decided to use their right to exit, but against their will, simply by a vile betrayal of corrupt elites. And if the republics did not have the right to exit, then the "elites" would have come up with something else to destroy the USSR. They would have used the same method as the conspirators in 1917, when they were crumbling the united and indivisible Russian Empire. And Lenin really has nothing to do with it.
  • aleks_29296
    aleks_29296 28 January 2016 10: 39
    +8
    There were no republics in the Empire with the right to secede from it, nevertheless, when it collapsed, a whole parade of sovereignty was observed (we will not consider examples of Poland and Finland, they always existed as states in the state). So, in my opinion, it is not Lenin’s business.
  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 28 January 2016 10: 46
    +7
    A good performance was made by the leader of the Communist Party G. Zyuganov at a speech by President V. Putin about V.I. Lenin.
    Reasoned and worthy. Including a number of commenting on this article. Watch and listen.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 28 January 2016 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: vladimirZ
      A good performance was made by the leader of the Communist Party G. Zyuganov at a speech by President V. Putin about V.I. Lenin.

      Yes, a strong performance. It was high time that we spoke like that all over the country.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 28 January 2016 20: 01
      +2
      Quote: vladimirZ
      Communist leader G. Zyuganov made a good performance

      Another blah blah blah!
  • Aitvaras
    Aitvaras 28 January 2016 15: 08
    0
    G. Putin is absolutely right in comparing the Code of the Builder of Communism with the Bible. The first communists can be called Thomas More and Tommaso Campanella, who lived in the Middle Ages. But about the voluntariness of the formation of the USSR, this is an illusion. As ex. IN . I. Lenin declared the nation's right to self-determination and Lithuania declared independence, the creation of a state. The Lithuanian communists separately and immediately declared their Soviet Lithuania, and Comrade. Lenin immediately sent "international assistance" in the person of the Red Army. In practice, it was the restoration of the Russian Empire, as the Romanovs and Rurikovichs once did the same.
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  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 28 January 2016 15: 39
    +7
    The results of the popular referendum were very eloquent. Everywhere, in all republics, including Ukraine and Belarus, from 70 to 90% of citizens voted to preserve the Union.

    But if the republics voted this way, therefore, the USSR collapsed not at all due to the fact that Lenin gave the peoples the right to self-determination. He fell apart against this right.

    Once again, what happened. The people expressed their will: to preserve the Union, and Yeltsin and other traitors simply did not give a damn about popular democracy.

    But then let's be honest - the problem is not that the right to self-determination was provided, but that the USSR’s power was seized by bastards who ignored the opinion of the people and did not give a damn about legal procedures. The mafia destroyed the USSR, and not Lenin at all.
  • alecsis69
    alecsis69 28 January 2016 15: 54
    +1
    Lenin acted on a situational basis, national elites were needed, he attracted them with the advantages of unification with the ability to reverse. Stalin slowly neutralized this bomb, but did not manage to remove it to the end, and those who were after did not want to write about them. So it exploded.
  • Talgat
    Talgat 28 January 2016 17: 54
    0
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    not the Gorbachev, nor Yeltsin, nor the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ala 80, nor the KGB, but exclusively Lenin! Well, and a little bit more, Pope Peter I and Genghis Khan.


    I agree, it’s not worth blaming Lenin for the collapse

    And the point about the possibility of leaving the USSR at any time can also be explained by the conditions in which the then "newborn" Union was built - from the crucible of the civil war. Frunze hikes, etc.
    Probably at that time it was impossible to write in another way - especially since the Bolsheviks came from "revolutionaries" - we will destroy the old world, etc.

    Later, under Stalin, a kind of restoration of a new version of tsarist Russia began - the struggle against the Trotskyists (bastards must be admitted) tsarist attributes - shoulder straps, Cossacks, the priority of statehood over the "world revolution", etc., etc.

    The GDP, on the other hand, looks from the perspective of a post-war socialism already living under Stalin - and it is also right - an article in the post-war USSR was already superfluous from the point of view of the state. This is not in any country.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 28 January 2016 20: 07
      +1
      Talgat! 17.54. hi We will destroy the whole world of violence, to the foundation, and then, we ours, we will build a new world ... And so I agree. The USSR took a lot from RI. Even the coat of arms of the USSR is a Russian, stylized eagle. Ears of wings, body-ball, head-star. hi
  • A_l_nad
    A_l_nad 28 January 2016 18: 29
    +2
    and the bomb itself is that instead of territories and the governor-general, the national republics have become. On the territory, all residents, regardless of nationality, have equal rights. Recruitment in higher educational institutions, positions at the enterprise and much more on the basis of nat. They are few. The territories were drawn as it was convenient and as a result, part of the territory of Russia in Ukraine, part in Kazakhstan, We can continue to continue. Well, the question is, since it was solved in the union, a mine that worked when the union collapsed, and it was clear a long time ago. The Stalinist solution to the national question was different, but his Leninists corrected
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 January 2016 19: 18
    0
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    And what exactly is the "bomb"?
    The fact that people by nature need organization and at least some rules. Even the bandits have their own analogue of the Criminal Code. And if the law states that it is possible to ruin a country just like that, then this is a weak spot which must be avoided by all means. In addition, Lenin and his comrades divided the Russian people into parts, creating Ukrainians and Belarusians who never existed.
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    I’m not sure that the republics would hardly want to enter if they could not hypothetically leave
    So maybe it was not necessary to create them?
    Quote: Corporal Valera
    Neither Gorbachev, nor Yeltsin, nor the Communist Party of the Allies of the 80s, nor the KGB, but exclusively Lenin, are to blame for the Soviet Union’s development.
    No, Lenin planted a bomb that could explode, and which unfortunately detonated. But the really listed "comrades" started the mechanism
    1. 34 region
      34 region 28 January 2016 20: 11
      +2
      Dart2027! 19.18. Did Lenin lay bombs under other states? Well, like Yugoslavia, Libya. What about the confrontation between Shiites and Sunnis, Arabs and Jews, radical Islamists and others?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 January 2016 21: 36
        -1
        Quote: Region 34
        Well, like Yugoslavia, Libya

        Which were destroyed by external aggression. This is a little different.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 28 January 2016 23: 55
          +2
          Dart! 21.36. A little different? There everyone is fighting against everyone. There is a small-town confrontation. A similar scenario would have been realized in the 20s of the last century, until now they would have fought with each other with three rulers and a maxim machine gun.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 29 January 2016 05: 49
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            A little different? There everyone is fighting against everyone. There is a small-town confrontation.

            Truth? Were these countries destroyed by aggression by the enemy orders of magnitude superior to them in military power? What does this have to do with Lenin's mistakes?
            1. 34 region
              34 region 29 January 2016 13: 36
              0
              Dart! 05.49. Do they bomb there today? Why are they not being restored?
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 29 January 2016 19: 54
              0
              Quote: Region 34
              Do they bomb there today? Why are they not being restored?

              Because breaking is easier than connecting.
              Quote: Dart2027
              What does this have to do with Lenin's mistakes?

              So what attitude do not tell me?
  • Corporal Valera
    Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 20: 24
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    The fact that people by nature need organization and at least some rules. Even the bandits have their own analogue of the Criminal Code. And if the law states that it is possible to ruin a country just like that, then this is a weak spot which must be avoided by all means.

    Dear colleague, I will repeat myself once again, the modern authorities have removed the "tab" from the Constitution. Now we have autonomy. Does this make you feel better?
    So maybe it was not necessary to create them?

    But Shaw Lenin and the Republic created?
    Quote: Dart2027
    No, Lenin planted a bomb that could explode, and which unfortunately detonated. But the really listed "comrades" started the mechanism

    I apologize if your hands are growing out of your butt, then you will detonate the bomb in Russia, although it was intended for the United States. And this does not mean that your bomb is wrong. This means that you’ve left level 99. Well, or a Cossack mishandled
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 28 January 2016 21: 40
      0
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      Now we have autonomy. Are you calmer from this?
      Yes. Autonomy is an intrastate entity that gives much less maneuver to different Kravchuk and Shevarnadze.
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      But Shaw Lenin and the Republic created?
      Please show the map on which these republics will be dated before the creation of the USSR.
      Quote: Corporal Valera
      I apologize if your arms grow from your butt,
      If a person puts a bomb at the base of his house, then this is not a very smart decision, even if his successors defuse the bomb.
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 22: 40
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        Yes. Autonomy is an intrastate entity that gives much less maneuver to different Kravchuk and Shevarnadze.

        And do not want to talk about the intra-state education of the Republic of Chechnya?
        Quote: Dart2027
        Please show the map on which these republics will be dated before the creation of the USSR.

        Well so there is no card? And then what did Lenin slaughter?
        Quote: Dart2027

        If a person puts a bomb at the base of his house, then this is not a very smart decision, even if his successors defuse the bomb.

        A fool glass horseradish - until noon.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 28 January 2016 22: 49
          0
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          And do not want to talk about the intra-state education of the Republic of Chechnya?

          Which causes fierce hatred among all liberals, human rights activists, democrats ... In short, all the enemies of the people who hate Kadyrov almost like Putin?
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Well so there is no card? And then what did Lenin slaughter?

          That is, you acknowledge that these republics appeared only with the advent of Bolshevik power, and before that they were not? Then what do you disagree with me?
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          A fool glass horseradish - until noon.

          That is nothing to argue?
  • Platonich
    Platonich 28 January 2016 08: 14
    -14 qualifying.
    Listen, put your picture next to me - in my opinion you will be very similar !!!
    1. heal
      heal 28 January 2016 08: 32
      +1
      And google Alexander Romanov Vladivostok, see.
    2. olegactor
      olegactor 28 January 2016 12: 27
      +1
      and yours next to whom ... with Yeltsin .. also similar or with humpbacked
  • dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 09: 56
    -2
    such as you repent
  • SveTok
    SveTok 28 January 2016 10: 27
    +9
    Early GDP sums up, early it would be better to tell what will happen to pensions and why they are not indexed as it was promised at the beginning of the pension reform?
  • bulvas
    bulvas 28 January 2016 10: 39
    -19 qualifying.
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Yak28
    In the photo he is sick after being wounded.

    Poor thing, I’ll cry.


    Alexander, congratulations, in one phrase I revealed on the forum the Octobrists who are worried about
    grandfather of Lenin.

    Can people fall into childhood?

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  • hedgehog in the fog
    hedgehog in the fog 28 January 2016 11: 15
    -13 qualifying.
    hopefully, I thought one of me here on the site for anti-Munyak statements was poisoned, but there are still adequate people there, they’ll also write you in the fifth column, they know as traitors and hell that it’s easier with me, I was immediately credited to Svidomites with pro-Western when in comments he wrote how the Bolsheviks took their land and household from their great-grandfather and nearly shot them.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 28 January 2016 11: 53
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: hedgehog in the fog
      hopefully, I thought one of me here on the site for anti-Munyak statements was poisoned, but there are still adequate people there, they’ll also write you in the fifth column, they know as traitors and hell that it’s easier with me, I was immediately credited to Svidomites with pro-Western when in comments he wrote how the Bolsheviks took their land and household from their great-grandfather and nearly shot them.



      Bolshevism is mainly defended by the old .... of the former, who were either late for old age, or because of their stupidity and their pettiness did not fall into the division of party property among their colleagues.

      Now they just have to portray faithful Leninists, who turned out to be more smart, have long been sitting in their villas on the Costa Del Sol or in other warm places.

      Let them "fight" what is left for them to do

      They can only breed demagogy, as the party taught them, do not answer acute questions, and translate the arrows right away, like:

      Quote: SveTok
      Early GDP sums up, early it would be better to tell what will happen to pensions and why they are not indexed as it was promised at the beginning of the pension reform?


      What, SveTok, was also torn off from the party feeder and not shared?

      It’s good that you, the party functionaries, have been divorced, the tops have been divided among themselves, they have grabbed whoever could, and the rest have been sent away.
      1. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 28 January 2016 18: 52
        +3
        bulvas

        Bolshevism is mainly defended by the old .... of the former, who were either late for old age, or because of their stupidity and their pettiness did not fall into the division of party property among their colleagues.


        that is, you want to say that you completely disregard the opinion of the elders !? that is, their grandfathers and mothers? calling them stupid and narrow-minded! did I understand you correctly? do you even realize that you have offended everyone now? all those who built raised this country believed in it? was dying for her? only so that later on there are such boobies who can still just with a very smart look and haughty speeches use what our ancestors built while not even lifting a finger in 20 years (the history of the new Russia)! but of course they are ready to pour mud at all! you yourself, of course, certainly recorded in the smartest right? which, of course, of course, everyone knows and understands everything better than anyone else where those dumb starters from the USSR are! So?? and after all that is said, you really think that at least someone, well, at least a little reasonable should respect you and your opinion! belay??
        OH WELL!
        your right of course! but remember, those who do not respect their own story (any turn of events) in the first place do not respect themselves! and therefore, meanwhile, to draw conclusions from this all, it will only step on the same rake each time! I honestly scared for such people who consider themselves extremely smart, but in fact they know how to see no further than their nose!
      2. 34 region
        34 region 28 January 2016 20: 39
        +3
        Boulevard! 11.53. The Communists built a strong country of course demagogues. I wonder how the chatterboxes did, the chatter was growing economy and population was growing ?! But business people rely on the price of oil and the economy does not want to rise. Why are they constantly asking someone to come, invest, build? Why is there no promise, no one but us? Infantile infantility? Why do business people constantly need something? Why are people doing business and settlements? Why do people have constant crises? After all, they are so smart, but the damned crisis confuses all the cards! Why is everything paid for by people? Why do people have to raise taxes and retirement age? After all, if everything works well then the money should be enough. If modern production, then they should work less (so that there is time to live). Tell us about modern achievements.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 4 February 2016 19: 35
          0
          The largest population growth was under the last King.

          And why - because there is de-Russification, and the population of the country by anyone other than non-Russians. Among the managers of Russian there is not a fortiori. They are simply not even hired by janitors / scavengers and they are not given loans (if only in order to ruin and lower them completely at the bonded percentage).
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 48
        -5
        Rather, "kmmunyak" has sclerosis.
        Remember - it was good.
        And what was there and how, no longer remember.
        I bought a new rag - well,
        I bought a piece of meat - also good ...
        Rather, I didn’t buy it, but got it ... I had to get everything.
        1. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 29 January 2016 23: 09
          +1
          Cap.Morgan
          Rather, "kmmunyak" has sclerosis.
          Remember - it was good.
          And what was there and how, no longer remember.


          in for sure!
          I remember there was one case in 90 winked
          flew like Yeltsin (there was such an alcoholic) on a plane to the usa - well, to trade with your homeland! yes
          and so on the way ash stump took means a strong drink (Cap.Morgan) laughing
          III! !
          -that remembers exactly what was good later winked that flew somewhere! winked
          - but where and why already forgot. sclerosis laughing
          and that’s how we drained the Motherland!

          Cap.Morgan
          I bought a new rag - well,
          I bought a piece of meat - also good ...


          understand understand you!
          You think everything about Russia, Yuri Venediktovich! you are golden man! you need to relax! laughing
        2. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 29 January 2016 23: 10
          +1
          Cap.Morgan
          Rather, I didn’t buy it, but got it ... I had to get everything


          Yep, exactly!
          I remember before my father brought home for the new year different goodies! red caviar! tangerines! and at home you immediately feel that the family is having a holiday! winked open a gift under the tree with a camera (lomo m) which I have been waiting all year! right up to the point of jumping to hunt! smile happiness is full of home!
          Now tyk is really great! laughing
          runoff zhrachki that at least every day celebrate the new year! and the holiday itself is already somehow dying out against the backdrop of an eternal feast!
          gave here something like son iPhone - new for the new year! winked
          and he looks at me like a scythe and sincerely declares it so! Yes, you brought me this same ancient medal like you! belay belay yes you are behind life chtoli! Yesterday a new model came out! belay Yes, so that I went out into the street! Yes, not in life! will laugh! blot out! belay
          and you don’t even imagine how immediately joyfully and cheerfully becomes on the soul crying
          when, on New Year's Eve, an old Madel’s iPhone flies into the window with a mat in the window with a chime yes laughing

          yes apple gave all the material values ​​in the world so that in the USSR they return at least for a day!
          only away from this garbage idiocy!
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 29 January 2016 23: 15
            +1
            Quote: regressSSSR
            regsSSSR

            Together with respect to you +! good
            Quote: regressSSSR
            when, on New Year's Eve, an old Madel’s iPhone flies into the window with a mat in the window with a chime

            What an act! drinks
            Quote: regressSSSR
            yes apple gave all the material values ​​in the world so that in the USSR they return at least for a day!

            And here I would have formed together with you. yes
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    2. 34 region
      34 region 28 January 2016 20: 18
      +1
      Hedgehog in the fog! 11.15. No need to be petty. Grandfather took the land and he went to work at the factory! He did not become unemployed and homeless. He raised children and grandchildren who were treated and taught by the state. To avoid this whining, you need to play big. Democratize entire countries and regions. Then there will be no whining about a piece of land. You would think there were no personal farmsteads. If an amateur works on the land, he could work on a collective farm. Looks like grandfather was far from a saint and a lover of blaming others for his failures.
  • Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 29 January 2016 18: 24
    0
    Alexander Romanov (5) RU Yesterday, 06:15 ↑
    Quote: Yak28
    In the photo he is sick after being wounded.
    Poor thing, I’ll cry.
    Cry when this happens to you .. Do not spit in the well where you drink
  • Letun
    Letun 28 January 2016 07: 11
    -37 qualifying.
    Quote: Yak28
    In the photo he is sick after being wounded.

    The poor fellow. Children die faster from bullets (I'm talking about the royal family), and this one just got sick. The devil himself probably kept ...
    1. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 08: 05
      17
      Quote: Letun
      The poor fellow. Children die faster from bullets (I'm talking about the royal family), and this one just got sick.

      But the senior investigator for particularly important cases, Solovyov, who was investigating the case, claims that the shooting took place without the sanction of Lenin and Sverdlov.
      1. Letun
        Letun 28 January 2016 09: 08
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        But the senior investigator for particularly important cases, Solovyov, who was investigating the case, claims that the shooting took place without the sanction of Lenin and Sverdlov.

        Let's not confuse the warm with the soft. There are no written documents that Lenin signed. This is true. But if you were interested in the story of the murder of the royal family, you should know that the facts indicate that Kortavy was aware of what was supposed to happen, and most likely gave verbal instructions. They were very angry on the part of the king’s relatives in England, so of course they did not document this atrocity. And how interesting it turns out for you. Yurovsky, on his own initiative, makes such a resonant murder, and does not bear any responsibility for this! Dies with his death! From an ulcer. That damn how it turns out. Truth?

        Py. Sy. The fact that the adherents of the "Sect of the Sacred Mummy" would shower my posts with minuses never doubted for a second. 75 years of brainwashing is paying off.
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 11: 13
          +9
          Quote: Letun
          You need to know what the facts say.

          Well, bring the facts
          Quote: Letun
          and most likely gave verbal instructions.

          Your "most likely" will not be sewn to business
          Quote: Letun
          They were afraid of very anger from the king’s relatives in England,

          These are those that Nicholas did not want to accept? So England there is the most important skirmisher
          Quote: Letun
          And how interesting it turns out for you. Yurovsky, on his own initiative, makes such a resonant murder, and does not bear any responsibility for this!

          What surprises you? Walk the field. What do we have a few helpful on the ground?

          Quote: Letun
          The fact that the adherents of the "Sacred Mummy Sect" would shower my posts with cons for a second did not doubt

          What does it have to do with it. You just have to respect your story, not defecate on it. There is a lot of incomprehensible things in the execution of the tsar’s family, but Lenin’s involvement has not been proved. Everything else - one grandmother said. But the decisive role of Lenin in preserving our state and his contribution to history, even ours, and the world, has been proved!
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          1. 406ppm2gv
            406ppm2gv 28 January 2016 22: 54
            +2
            no need to scuff, I would look at your face when you would have a serious illness.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 28 January 2016 09: 29
        +3
        without the sanction of Lenin and Sverdlov.
        With the sanction of Sverdlov.
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 49
        -2
        Claimed. And he died very soon.
        What do you think?
  • opus
    opus 28 January 2016 13: 06
    -6
    Quote: Yak28
    In the photo he is sick after being wounded.

    Was it like that before "illness and injury"?



    IN REALITY, a real photo of Lenin at the subbotnik. It can be seen how the leader "struggles" to lift the log, which the workers are holding without much difficulty, or, as always, "on someone else's hump."

    ------------
    about "someone else's hump" (explains to the worker the need for a subbotnik and the prospect of the moment)


    ------------------------
    And why didn’t they come up with:


    1. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: opus
      It can be seen how the leader "struggles" to lift the log, which the workers are holding without much difficulty, or, as always, "on someone else's hump."
      http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/nasha_canada/10046064/353896/353896_original.jpg

      Figas argument! Do you have any popular pop pictures? laughing
      1. opus
        opus 28 January 2016 17: 54
        -3
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        Figas argument! Do you have any popular pop pictures?

        not figs.
        No.
        Do you have a corporal, what is EXCEPT TRAPS?
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 22: 49
          +1
          Quote: opus
          Do you have a corporal, what is EXCEPT TRAPS?

          And you have opus, that is EXCEPT OPUSES?
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 28 January 2016 20: 06
        -2
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        Do you have any popular pop pictures?
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 22: 55
          +2
          Offset! IMHO Chubais should be here
      3. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 52
        -2
        He raised a seven-inch log
        With a slight wave of a hand.
        The men asked: - Who are you?
        He answered modestly - Lenin.
        And opiz-denely men!
  • Scraptor
    Scraptor 28 January 2016 13: 34
    -4
    after Spirochaetales

    Ilyich simply avenged his brother, who had tried to kill the Tsar and his Family in the same way, to destroy the Russian Kingdom and then arrange anti-Russian red terror
    and any cattle after (starting) with the Decembrists wanted it

    and to divide the state upon its destruction is much clearer

    Now Russia is also populated by migrants in the same way and it is impossible to find Russian work in the city even as a janitor, and in the villages everybody strangles any non-Russian farms, including Chinese concession ones which have long been present even in the European part of the Russian Federation, poisoning everything with chemical fertilizers

    Stalin was an Orthodox Georgian whose life-Trotsky’s revolution simply forgot to take the barrel ... For which they received 1937 laughing
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 28 January 2016 15: 57
      +5
      “The tsarist Empire was not destroyed by Lenin. It was ruined by the greedy and ineffective tsarist bureaucracy, which drove the Russian people like cattle for slaughter into a world war that was absolutely unprofitable for Russia. Landowners who did not want to give land to the peasants destroyed Russia. That “elite” that did not want to give the people neither education, nor bread, nor freedom collapsed Russia. From the wreckage of the collapsing Tsarist Empire, Lenin was able to glue together a new, much more powerful state - the Soviet Union. He annexed Ukraine and Transcaucasia, lost today, to Russia, prevented the Americans from seizing the Far East, and the British - the Russian North. In the most difficult years, Lenin defended this state against the intervention of as many as 13 states that wanted to seize our territories, taking advantage of the country's weakness, ”said Georgy Kamnev.
      He cited the words of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov, which he said in exile: "During these years, the guard of Russian national interests was none other than the internationalist Lenin."
      George Petrovich called the true culprits in the collapse of the USSR.
      "Lenin saved our country from complete collapse and becoming a colony by" Western partners. " And the Soviet Union collapsed not Lenin, but those who turned away from his ideas of friendship of peoples. The killers of the USSR were Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 23: 55
        -1
        Kaiser would have dealt rather quickly with France and then, with all his strength, would have attacked Russia. What we then observed in the 41st. The king had no choice.
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 29 January 2016 18: 30
        0
        Masons destroyed it and Trotskyite Bolsheviks shot it

        They don’t save the country by revolution in the middle of the war ... Stalin - yes, he did.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 28 January 2016 19: 52
    0
    Quote: Yak28
    In the photo he is sick after being wounded.

    the bullet was apparently with the syphilis virus?
    oh, sorry Coplan missed ......
  • iouris
    iouris 30 January 2016 15: 23
    0
    After Lenin's death, his brain was studied. It turned out that one of the hemispheres practically "dried up". The process continued for several years. This is explained by the colossal overvoltage. So in Lenin's activity, two periods must be distinguished: before the onset of the illness and after the illness began to affect intellectual abilities. The injury, of course, also played a role, but it is possible that the assassination attempt was conceived within the party. It was necessary to remove Lenin from influencing political decisions.
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 28 January 2016 06: 30
    13
    Well, you can find other photos. Even the names are alike, Lenin is Lenya laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 44
      -29 qualifying.
      Quote: Tjeck
      Well, you can find other photos.

      You can laughing Moth and no more.
      1. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 28 January 2016 07: 02
        27
        and you post your photo, "Marshal" ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 14: 11
          +2
          Quote: Kushadasov
          and you post your photo, "Marshal" ...


          I can give skype, look.
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      3. My address
        My address 28 January 2016 07: 34
        32
        hi Alexander.

        The first. Regarding the atomic bomb. Indeed he laid. But babahnul elsewhere. At the top, which broke away from the people and lived for their own interests, who selfish, who building air castles. I already wrote that I considered the level of the city committee of the CPSU and above purely nomenklatura and little responsible for real results.

        The second. None of Lenin’s serious enemies considered him stupid, having taken power only for power, a sort of moth. They saw the strongest and smartest fighter in front of them and did not stoop to perish.

        Well, the curtain. There are many examples when close to the top of the government mired in luxury and irresponsibility with a furious stratification of income and the state at the same time successfully developed? And about Lenin’s team, it only slipped through that after 17-18 years after Sverdlov’s death, they remembered his safe, and there gold and clean passports with bruillants (and there are those who believed they couldn’t open it before); lol ).
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 28 January 2016 09: 35
          +1
          and there is gold and clean passports with brulyants (and there are those who believed that they could not open before, they looked for the key to the safe
          Moreover. Sverdlov was an American agent of influence like Trotsky. The fastest to get out of Siberia to Geyropu and every time with the money. I was in the cell for the beholder, even criminals were afraid of him. In 1916, the brother opened a bank in America, which ceased to exist after the death of Sverdlov. The message about the attempt on Lenin had not yet arrived, and Sverdlov had already begun to send telegrams, which took all the power upon himself. Sverdlov’s assistant took Kaplan from the Cheka and took him to the Kremlin, where she was quickly shaken and burned in a kerosene barrel, despite Lenin’s desire to see her, because the first words of Lenin after the attempt: You his have taken?
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 28 January 2016 11: 40
            +4
            Quote: Balu
            after all, the first words of Lenin after the assassination attempt: did you take it?

            I suppose you have a video? YouTube is rich ...
            If you all know, then tell me why Khodorkovsky was first released, and then they want to arrest in absentia? Did he shoot Lenin?
            Quote: Balu
            and there is gold and clean passports with brulyants (and there are those who believed that they could not open before, they looked for the key to the safe

            I confirm that I myself read the testimony of a witness:
            - From this chair I slipped, the lining on it was torn. And I look, from under the casing the glass pieces are streaming and white beads on a string.
            “Beads,” said Ippolit Matveyevich.
            “Beads,” the old man screeched in admiration, “and I look, soldier, further, and there the boxes are different.” I didn’t even touch these boxes. And he went straight to Comrade Krasilnikov and reported. So the commission then reported. I did not touch these boxes and did not touch. And well, the soldier did it, because there the jewel was found, hidden by the bourgeoisie ...
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 28 January 2016 13: 18
              +1
              AID.S (1)after all, the first words of Lenin after the assassination attempt: did you take it?
              Colleague, your banter does not roll.
              There are fakes in the FSB archives, there are also documents.
              When on TV you see a document stamped by a respected organization, everyone decides to believe the presenter or not. The same goes for publications in Russian newspapers. The author, citing documents, takes responsibility.
              Among the crimes of the Khodorkovsky’s gang there are 3 assassination attempts against one entrepreneur, who eventually remained disabled for life. Actually from this wheel of justice with a creak spun.
              By the way, you are not confused by the names of the founders of the Khodorkovsky fund: Brzezinski, Rothschild, and even the lesser-known mummers. And the board is dominated by people wanted by the Russian Federation for stealing bucks from the budget? They released him for humanitarian reasons. An interview with Hodor Venediktov is significant: I myself am like Putin, a statesman ... But the Russians will not forgive Putin ... So you are a statesman? Are you like Putin?
              Yes, I’m like Putin, I’m a statesman ... but the Russians will not forgive Putin, they will not forgive ...
              Why don’t I forgive Putin? Hodor never said.
              Clowns ...
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 28 January 2016 13: 30
                0
                And further...
                The author of the attempt could be Reilly, because the Socialist-Revolutionary leaders were on the drain of the Americans. So the version of the professional killer from America fits into the alternative version. According to the documents cited in one reputable publication, Kaplan was detained several blocks from the place of attempt. She stood, waiting for her cavalier from the Socialist-Revolutionary Chekists (formerly Odessa bandyuk. To the question: what are you doing here? -The lady answered quite logically: why do you ask. Bullets from her pistols, and bullets from Lenin’s eaten of a different system. Still interesting and another: Kaplan girlfriend of Sverdlov’s cousin.
                I don’t think that someday, after all, the truth will be revealed. While the authorities and everyone are satisfied with the official version. Confuses another: why kill a visually impaired woman without a full investigation and trial? Why pick up a suspect in a state crime from a law enforcement agency (Cheka) and take him to the Kremlin, where she was so quickly killed.
                1. AID.S
                  AID.S 28 January 2016 16: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: Balu
                  I do not think that someday, after all, the truth will be revealed.

                  And here you are absolutely right !! Therefore, I, with you, the comment above, and allowed myself to disagree.
                  By the way, about the information on TV, I have one masterpiece about "where Rusnano participates."
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 28 January 2016 17: 15
                    +2
                    Banter, and in this case out of place. In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle.
                    It’s also not clear to me why, according to the results of the RUSNANO audits, there are no landings.
                    Flexible tablets? Red made the same move as Khodorkovsky when buying Yukos.
                    Rusnano creates the company of the Horn and gives her money for the release of tablets. This money is given back as a hoof company loan for the same. The hoof company for this loan buys out the company of the Horn. The curtain falls, applause.
                    But the redhead is still at large and he has a lot of money, as he claims.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 14: 11
          -5
          Quote: My address
          But banged elsewhere. At the top, which broke away from the people and lived its own interests

          And why then did you paste their portraits on the shovels and shouted cheers to them?
          Quote: My address
          They saw the strongest and most intelligent fighter in front of them and did not stoop to scuffle.

          I hear it for the first time.
          Quote: My address
          There are many examples where the authorities close to the top are mired in luxury and irresponsibility with a frantic stratification of incomes and the state has successfully developed?

          If the system is rotten, sooner or later it will collapse.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 28 January 2016 08: 03
        24
        Alexander, maybe stop showing your pictures! Admire them yourself! How much bile a person has! After all, it finds time, to look for all sorts of dirt on the Internet, and then we spread it. I consider it necessary to respect our common history. For all its drawbacks, Lenin did not pursue his selfish interests, but believed in an idea that has still not lost its relevance! Whether anyone likes it or not, it was thanks to him that a huge country emerged, a superpower, the achievements of which we still use.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 28 January 2016 09: 20
          -6
          you need to be more respectful of our common history.

          To history, yes, to propaganda, no. We still have 100-year-old classified materials in the archives. What are we doing cons by cons. Declassify and publish.

          Lenin did not pursue his selfish interests, but believed in the idea

          Hitler, by the way, too. And his ideas have not lost relevance.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 28 January 2016 09: 26
            12
            Quote: Mahmut
            Hitler, by the way, too. And his ideas have not lost relevance.

            What are you talking about? In Russia, only scum believe in fascist ideas and nationalism is illegal for us! It is only liberals who put fascism and the bright ideas of socialism on the same level!
            1. Heimdall47
              Heimdall47 28 January 2016 11: 40
              -8
              Have you heard about the philosopher Ilyin, whom the GDP sometimes mentions in his speeches? Here Ilyin was positive about fascism. And Stolypin at one time was called a fascist - not from an abusive point of view, but characterizing his beliefs.
              So far from just scum. The latter are those who, besides the Soviet history textbook, did not hold anything. Yes, and that only in order to paint with obscene.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 28 January 2016 11: 59
                +5
                Quote: Heimdall47
                Have you heard about the philosopher Ilyin, whom the GDP sometimes mentions in his speeches? Here Ilyin was positive about fascism.

                If, some Ilyin supported adhering to pro-fascist views, then you suggest that we do the same?

                Quote: Heimdall47
                And Stolypin at one time was called a fascist

                Who knows who he called! We were called principals in childhood! So what? The main thing is how a person positions himself!
                1. Heimdall47
                  Heimdall47 28 January 2016 12: 36
                  0
                  I mean that Ilyin, Stolypin, Shulgin are not scum. Probably you have not heard about them, since the "bright ideas of socialism" do not mention them))
                  Do you offer us to do the same?

                  I suggest you live with your brains, and not propaganda from newspapers and TV. And to distinguish the word "fascist" as a designation of ideology from the abusive stamp of the Soviet and democratic period.
                  Who knows who he called

                  I wrote in black and white -
                  not from an abusive point of view, but characterizing his beliefs
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 28 January 2016 17: 59
                    +1
                    The word fascist, so perplexed himself that you can’t wash him off already. If you consider yourself to be him, then do not be surprised that normal people will shy away and plug their nose.
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      6. Sars
        Sars 28 January 2016 08: 08
        -3
        Pay attention to the photo - different people.
        Lenin has many such photos. According to Kolmykov's expertise, no less than four different characters are passed off as "the leader of the world proletariat."
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      7. Platonich
        Platonich 28 January 2016 08: 18
        0
        Lay out your moronic photo nearby, or weakly?
      8. ruskih
        ruskih 28 January 2016 11: 08
        +7
        Sasha Romanov, you are a badass here, so this is good. And WEAKLY take a pen and notebook (only a general one can have more than one) and outline ALL the works of V.I. Lenin? As some of us had to do this at one time (spat, cursed, but wrote) to the state would not be allowed. And when you master it (photo, or rather a video in the studio), then we will argue and accept all your comments with respect.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 14: 06
          -7
          Quote: ruskih
          Sasha Romanov, you are a badass here, so it’s good. And WEAKLY take a pen and notebook (only a general one can have more than one) and outline ALL the works of V.I. Lenin?

          I look like a patient, that would re-read the garbage.
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 28 January 2016 15: 47
            +1
            Wimp! The enemy must know in person.
      9. RUSS
        RUSS 28 January 2016 20: 07
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Tjeck
        Well, you can find other photos.

        You can laughing Moth and no more.

        It was
      10. the villain
        the villain 28 January 2016 21: 58
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You can, maybe Moth and no more.

        I dare to assume that your photos are different people.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 28 January 2016 08: 51
      +1
      Quote: Tjeck
      Well, you can find other photos. Even the names are alike, Lenin - Lenya laughing

      By the way, once I saw an interview with DiCaprio in the news, he said that he was kindly offered to play Lenin in some new film.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 28 January 2016 06: 39
    25
    Alexander, a wrecking creation from nothing of a pseudo-state of Ukraine is a fact. But to call Lenin a moth is too much. Moth cannot win the civil war and repel the intervention of 15 states.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 45
      -34 qualifying.
      Quote: Pereira
      Moth cannot win the civil war and repel the intervention of 15 states.

      If it’s good to powder people’s brains, that’s all. What happened.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 28 January 2016 06: 51
        31
        Then there was no TV, the Internet, and the people were illiterate. If millions went after Lenin, then his speeches, his promises and plans met people's aspirations more than the speeches of Kolchak or Denikin. Our ancestors were no dumber than us. If the majority of passionaries were on the side of the Bolsheviks, then this is the choice of the people, as if someone did not belong to it. In the end, it was not the Bolsheviks who lost the WWII.
        But the fulfillment of promises is a separate issue.
        1. Sars
          Sars 28 January 2016 08: 14
          -8
          What millions? On the slogan "plunder the loot" went parasites and harlopans.

          From the memories of my grandfather: the Bolsheviks came to their village (under the guidance of a Jew). My great-grandfather was shot (they called him with a fist, he worked with the children himself), the cattle were confiscated, the children were kicked out of the hut, the committee of the poor, which included all the village loafers, was trained in it.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 January 2016 09: 35
            +5
            Sars
            So, in your opinion, there were millions of parasites and gorlopans.
        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 28 January 2016 10: 28
          -8
          Quote: Pereira
          it’s the people’s choice, no matter how anyone relates to it. In the end, it was not the Bolsheviks who lost the WWII.


          It doesn't matter with your story: on THE ONLY 70 years of free elections -to the Constituent Assembly- people refused in trust in the Bolsheviks, they received 20% of the vote, and this is with their dictatorship, the prohibition of the Cadets, newspapers! Lenin was the chairman TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT- before the transfer of power to the Constituent Assembly, which he, having managed in the elections, dispersed. And then NOBODY and NEVER chose the secretaries general (leaders of the country).
          And the Bolsheviks lost the WWI –– to the losing countries –– read the Brest disgrace, before the Thief, Russia was a winner in the war, by this time Germany had actually lost.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 28 January 2016 14: 30
            +5
            It doesn't matter with your story.
            First, the Kerensky Provisional Government (the one that escaped from the winter palace in a women's skirt) destroyed the army, gave rise to millions of dereters, and only then after 8 months did the Bolsheviks pick up the lying power.
            When the Boest peace was concluded, the tsarist army was no longer there, and the Red Army was not there. So all the shame lies with the ancestors of the current liberals.
            1. Aleksander
              Aleksander 28 January 2016 20: 20
              -1
              Quote: Pereira
              First, the Kerensky Provisional Government (the one that escaped from the winter palace in a women's skirt) destroyed the army, gave rise to millions of dereters, and only then after 8 months did the Bolsheviks pick up the lying power.

              In addition to the skirt (Kommbreda), obviously, you don’t know anything — neither about free elections, nor about the February 23, nor about the order of the 1 PETROSOVET only for the petro-garrison, nor the April theses, nor the order of Lenin Dukhonin, nothing.... request And what to talk about?
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 29 January 2016 10: 44
                +1
                How do I know? I didn’t learn anything. Therefore, I have the greatest respect for people who have heard about the April Theses.
                Threat minus is not mine.
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 30 January 2016 14: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Pereira
                  Therefore, I have the greatest respect for people who have heard about the April Theses.

                  You don't need it. Read better the "April Theses" - a monstrous Russophobic plan for the collapse of the state and the army
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 07: 51
        +6
        If it’s good to powder people’s brains, then in full. What happened
        How can this be about the current president? Who counted how many people died in the Donbass for Krymnash?
        1. Slobber
          Slobber 28 January 2016 08: 02
          +2
          Who counted how many people died in the Donbass for Krymnash?

          Yes, people do not mind. It is scary when P. opens up criticizing S.
      3. heal
        heal 28 January 2016 08: 35
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If it’s good to powder people’s brains, that’s all. What happened.

        That is, in 1941-1945, people were "well-powdered"?
        And your idol is not "powdering brains" now? Or did he give you a good salary, then you can ignore the rest?
      4. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 09: 59
        -3
        well, you know everything, huh? where did you study? your brain is clearly not powdered
      5. AID.S
        AID.S 28 January 2016 12: 03
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        If it’s good to powder people’s brains, that’s all. What happened.

        Probably, in your opinion, the Soviet citizens also in 1941-1945. were brains powdered? Miserable attempts to find the perpetrators of the present troubles in the hundred-year-old past are more like justifying one’s own mistakes and really confusing one’s brain.
    2. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 06: 51
      24
      Quote: Pereira
      Alexander, a wrecking creation from nothing of a pseudo-state of Ukraine is a fact.

      A wrecking Belovezhskaya collusion is not a fact? And the sabotage inaction of the authorities in the post-Soviet space during 25 years is not a fact? I would be in the place of our leaders would shut up in a rag. Lenin for 4 of the year collected from nothing the state, the fruits of which still do not disdain to use the gentlemen of critics.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 28 January 2016 07: 10
        17
        As for our rulers, I completely agree. But Lenin did not build the country, he built the base for the world revolution. The empire began to restore Stalin.
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 08: 20
          11
          Quote: Pereira
          But Lenin did not build the country, he built the base for the world revolution.

          Let me disagree. The world revolution was canceled from the Brest Peace. And he also built a country! From scratch, and under such conditions that our powerful people have not even dreamed of. Roughly piece by piece collected from nothingness.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 28 January 2016 09: 00
            +9
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            Let me disagree. The world revolution was canceled from the Brest Peace.

            But what about the help of the Bolsheviks in organizing the revolution in Germany, after the overthrow of the Kaiser (the Brest Peace was canceled after the overthrow of the Kaiser)? And Tukhachevsky's campaign to Warsaw, followed by a rush to Berlin again and help the German proletariat in organizing the socialist revolution? revolution "Leiba Bronstein (Trotsky) to the world revolution until he was removed from power in 1925? So the world revolution was canceled not from the Brest-Litovsk Peace, but after the proclamation by J.V. Stalin of the course of building socialism in one separate country, and it happened this is already in 1929.
            1. Forest
              Forest 28 January 2016 10: 09
              -2
              Why do you smoke there massively? In the 17th year, German troops just launched a major offensive in the Baltic States to prevent the Red Revolution and only Bolsheviks often remained in positions, and all other friends and comrades "bayonet in the ground and let's fraternize with the Germans." There was no one to fight, so the Brest Peace was signed.
            2. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 11: 50
              +1
              Quote: Captain45
              But what about the help of the Bolsheviks in organizing the revolution in Germany, after the overthrow of the Kaiser (The Brest Peace was terminated after the overthrow of the Kaiser)?

              Well, what does it change. If now there was an opportunity to spoil mattresses, would you really refuse?
              Quote: Captain45
              But what about Tukhachevsky’s campaign against Warsaw, with his subsequent casting again against Berlin and helping the German proletariat organize the socialist revolution?

              Well, yes, we had stubborn revolutionaries, but the main vector was replaced by a state-forming one. Everything else was slowly obsolete.
              Quote: Captain45
              And the fiery calls of the "demon of revolution" Leiba Bronstein (Trotsky) for a world revolution until he was removed from power in 1925?

              Also slowly obsolete yes

              Quote: Captain45
              So the world revolution was canceled not from the Brest Peace, but after the proclamation by I.V. Stalin of the course towards building socialism in one particular country, and this happened already in the 1929 year.

              Officially recognized in 1929
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 28 January 2016 13: 27
                +2
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Well, what does it change

                Changes this:
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                The world revolution was canceled from the Brest Peace.

                It is necessary to be more precise in formulations and expressions and then you will be better understood.
                "-Your Majesty, you misunderstood me.
                -Yes, how can I understand you, since you don't say anything. "(C) c / f" Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession " laughing
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Quote: Captain45
                So the world revolution was canceled not from the Brest Peace, but after the proclamation by I.V. Stalin of the course towards building socialism in one particular country, and this happened already in the 1929 year.

                Officially recognized in 1929 year

                Ie oil is oil.
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 17: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Captain45
                  It is necessary to be more precise in formulations and expressions and then you will be better understood

                  For mutual understanding, do you think a couple of sentences are enough?
                  I am talking about the moment when the world revolution became a bogeyman for cap.countries. When she moved from a concrete practical to a propaganda application. And this happened before the 29th year. So, the oil is not completely oily. However, I do not impose my opinion on you, because I could be wrong. Like you, however.
          2. Pereira
            Pereira 28 January 2016 14: 36
            +1
            Valera, it was not so. Stalin abolished the world revolution when he dispersed the Comintern. But Lenin lost real power when the civil war had not yet ended. Again, Stalin began to collect.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 17: 11
              0
              Quote: Pereira
              Valera, it was not so. Stalin abolished the world revolution when he dispersed the Comintern.

              Colleague, I don’t argue that Stalin turned the Comintern. I'm talking about how it seems to me that with the Peace of Brest-Litovsk there was a turn in the mind of Lenin, from the world revolution to the building of the state. Well, what about it: "We had a healthy child ..." I don't remember further.
              But Lenin lost real power when the civil war had not yet ended.

              Well, it depends on what is meant by real power. Absolute did not possess. And so until the age of 22
              Quote: Pereira
              Again, Stalin began to collect.

              Yes, the merits of Stalin are not discussed at all
              1. Pereira
                Pereira 29 January 2016 10: 38
                0
                In concluding the Brest Peace Treaty, Trotsky played a leading role. The army in 18 was not at all, the Bolsheviks needed a respite. If remoteness in Hungary and Germany, the world revolution would begin.
          3. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 29 January 2016 00: 12
            0
            The International then sent its agents in all directions.
            Creating spy networks and communist parties.
            You heard about the tvarischa Telman.
            So he raised a rebellion in Germany. For example.
        2. alecsis69
          alecsis69 28 January 2016 17: 41
          +1
          Trotsky built the base for the world revolution, and the Leninist NEP for the world revolution is not needed.
      2. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 29 January 2016 00: 09
        -4
        Wow "out of nothing".
        Lenin inherited a good legacy. Huge territory. Natural resources.
        The tsarist industry, which built dreadnoughts and aircraft "Russian Knight".
        What are the fruits of Lenin? 10 million killed in civilian life?
  • Blondy
    Blondy 28 January 2016 06: 48
    +9
    Most importantly, Lenin was - and the rest - well, him in FIG. Everyone can recall something there, to the extent of their depravity.
  • UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 28 January 2016 07: 37
    +3
    How much to explain - Lenin did not create Ukraine. Ukraine was created as a n.okraina even under the Provisional Government, like the rest of the natsokrainy. Where frank nationalists came to power that it took the Bolsheviks two decades to clear this cesspool.
  • larand
    larand 28 January 2016 07: 40
    25
    Quote: Alexander Romanov

    That Lenin was a lion laughing
    Chet look at him and see some kind of moth lol


    You are not one of those Romanovs who fucked Russia for 300 years and to whom Lenin kicked. Then your hatred is understandable.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 28 January 2016 11: 33
      11
      You are not one of those Romanovs who have fucked Russia for 300 years and
      -------------------------------------------------- ----
      Here, many Ivanes who don’t remember kinship simply forget that if it weren’t for the Soviet power, they would at best sit on a mound with chatters in unwashed paws, without education and a worthy profession.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 28 January 2016 11: 45
        +5
        Quote: guzik007 Here, many Ivanes who don’t remember kinship simply forget that if it weren’t for the Soviet power, they would at best sit on a mound with chatters in unwashed paws, without education and a worthy profession.

        Let Ivana, remind me, but Korolev, Zhukov, Sholokhov, and many, many, many of whom they were? Would you be able to rise above the four classes of the parish church?
        1. Heimdall47
          Heimdall47 28 January 2016 14: 35
          -6
          Quote: avva2012
          Quote: guzik007 Here, many Ivanes who don’t remember kinship simply forget that if it weren’t for the Soviet power, they would at best sit on a mound with chatters in unwashed paws, without education and a worthy profession.

          Let Ivana, remind me, but Korolev, Zhukov, Sholokhov, and many, many, many of whom they were? Would you be able to rise above the four classes of the parish church?

          Korolev - from the dust of the camp. The rest - from the same place where Denikin, Schepkin, Kulibin, Kornilov, etc.
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 28 January 2016 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: guzik007
        Here, many Ivanes who don’t remember kinship simply forget that if it weren’t for the Soviet power, they would at best sit on a mound with chatters in unwashed paws, without education and a worthy profession.

        Quote: guzik007
        You are not one of those Romanovs who have fucked Russia for 300 years and
        -------------------------------------------------- ----
        Here, many Ivanes who don’t remember kinship simply forget that if it weren’t for the Soviet power, they would at best sit on a mound with chatters in unwashed paws, without education and a worthy profession.

        By and large, since 1991, a return to this bright past has begun.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 14: 03
      -8
      Quote: larand

      You are not one of those Romanovs who fucked Russia for 300 years and to whom Lenin kicked.

      No, I'm one of those who gives a kick to the corrupt Bolsheviks. And every time he gets wet in their own ***
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 28 January 2016 14: 43
        +4
        But Cheburan was a pioneer in childhood. You must remember this.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 28 January 2016 18: 10
        +1
        Surrov, no doubt. Bolsheviks, no, 50 years, if not more (VKPb in the CPSU), and he, everything is getting wet! Highlander?
      3. larand
        larand 29 January 2016 07: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        No, I'm one of those who gives a kick to the corrupt Bolsheviks. And every time he gets wet in their own ***


        Apparently, Denikin, Wrangel, Kolchak, Adolph, and so on have moved into you. Maybe you already need a psychiatrist. The Bolsheviks have long been gone, and you are kicking and dumbing everything.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 January 2016 07: 47
    11
    Lenin created a freaking Ukraine
    Putin created Chechnya, which will still come back to us.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 28 January 2016 19: 29
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Putin created Chechnya

      In fact, the present territory of Chechnya was created just by the Bolsheviks in order to enlist their support in the GV.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 20: 25
        +1
        Generally
        Actually, I'm talking about a territorial formation with an independent president, with its powerful army, with its oil and a bunch of dough.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 28 January 2016 21: 35
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          I'm talking about territorial formation with an independent president, with my powerful army, with my oil and a bunch of dough

          Well, the oil was there in the earth from the beginning, and everything else - how many guests from abroad were transferred by the military personnel of this army? And about the bunch of dough shouting those who in the 90s the most loudly branded the USSR and their followers.
  • heal
    heal 28 January 2016 08: 30
    -3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    An even greater plus will be when the mummy is disposed of.

    And there will be an even greater plus when Putin and his shobls will not be, and there will be no cheer-putriots.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 28 January 2016 09: 38
      +1
      And there will be an even greater plus when Putin and his shobls will not be, and there will be no cheer-putriots.
      And it will also be good when there are no heal trolls on VO. The air is clogged, let it be knocked on ex-matzoh or rain, there is their place, on a bucket. tongue wassat laughing
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 11: 03
        +1
        let them knock on exo matzo
        The echo of Moscow is contained in the money of Gazprom, so you are the troll.
  • dzeredzavkomimu
    dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 09: 56
    0
    oh how ridiculous, you can directly describe yourself, you know how to joke. But you’re weak in overturning the foundations of a millennium-old state that at that time didn’t differ in liberalism? You probably feel yourself like a lion? weak for you to fill up at least one corrupt official? or scary? hero heh ... ov
  • Combitor
    Combitor 28 January 2016 09: 57
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Chet look at him and see some kind of moth

    To put it mildly, not ethically you put it. God forbid, you will fall ill with a serious illness, only the Almighty knows who you will look like, a moth or a cockroach ... Health to you.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 28 January 2016 10: 31
      +6
      I wish you health.
      And in fact, the photo of Lenin after the attempt is getting worse and worse. One of the bullets pressed against the carotid artery, which caused irreversible changes in the corresponding zone of blood supply. so it’s a miracle that he has lived so long. His face is no different from the faces of patients slowly dying away from chronic cerebral ischemia.
      There was no syphilis, there was a chronic violation of cerebral circulation, which was slowly increasing.
      Health to all.
  • 222222
    222222 28 January 2016 15: 13
    +3
    May 25, 2009, Monday
    "" Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the Donskoy Monastery and paid tribute to the memory of the prominent figures of Russia who are buried on the territory of the monastery. The head of government laid flowers at the graves of General Denikin, philosophers Ivan Ilyin and Ivan Shmelev, as well as writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
    These people, according to Putin, were true patriots who, despite all the difficulties in life, deeply loved their homeland. "
    cinema ... http: //www.1tv.ru/news/social/9459

    "Bowing to the graves, Putin said quietly:" Tragic time, heroic people. " And, turning to those who came with him that day to the cemetery (I was among these people), he noticed that the heroes buried here were real statesmen. And then suddenly he turned to me, who was following him:

    “Have you read Denikin’s diaries?”

    “No,” I admitted. “But I will definitely read it.”

    “Be sure to read it,” Putin advised. - Denikin talks about the big and small Russia, Ukraine. He writes that no one is allowed to interfere in relations between us, it has always been a matter for Russia itself. Denikin, for all his intolerant attitude towards the Soviet regime, believed that even thinking about dismembering Russia was a crime, and the “Balkanization” of Russia was unacceptable. Denikin was especially intolerant of such ideas.

    Putin admitted on that day that reading the general's memoirs completely changed his "vision of Denikin in history."
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/24316.4/508969/
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 28 January 2016 15: 47
    +2
    One of the last photos of Lenin, where he is already seriously ill. It’s BEAUTIFUL, and at least not ethical of you. Or are you a liberal?
  • Pancho
    Pancho 28 January 2016 17: 21
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Lenin created a freaking Ukraine

    And who is her about @ ral?
  • Saburov
    Saburov 28 January 2016 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Oh, how the Communists don’t like the truth. Lenin created a fucking Ukraine, which is now shitting on us. Putin gave Leninists a good kick, for which he is a big plus. Another big plus will be when the mummy is disposed of.


    The same can be said of our dear monarchists about Nicholas TWO and the company.
    In general, you are a big fan of the monarchy, as I look, judging by how you violently deleted my comments with numbers and documents on the issue of Stalinist repressions ... that you really didn’t like the same thing, did you want more?
  • zenion
    zenion 28 January 2016 18: 50
    +1
    Alexander Romanov. It has become so common in this world, everyone has a different vision. You see what you can only see and it’s not your fault. Kozma Prutkov put it this way: Many things are incomprehensible to us not because our concepts are weak; but because these things are not part of our circle of concepts. You do not understand much - but it does not matter. In world history, Lenin came first. There is Stalin. But no one else will be there, no matter what place he now occupies.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 28 January 2016 20: 48
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    That Lenin was a lion laughing
    Chet look at him and see some kind of moth

    Only the latest scum will mock a person who suffered a head wound with poisoned bullets and a stroke. With what I congratulate you. How many foreign languages ​​do you speak? And Lenin at 6. How many volumes did he write? And Lenin 45. What created7 What do you know how to do, except how? What, I kicked the great one, and do you think from this I began to represent something from myself? There is no hope. Was nothing, nothing, and you die.
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy 28 January 2016 21: 20
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Chet look at him and see some kind of moth

    if Lenin is a mole, then who are you then? You don’t even pull on the title of photon ... hi
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 28 January 2016 21: 37
    0
    Oh, how many minuses the Communists have stuck.
    Why didn’t you build communism? By the 80th year, the communist Khrushchov promised.
  • madjik
    madjik 28 January 2016 06: 27
    17
    blurted out Vova about Volodya, then caught on and it turned out like a weather vane lol
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 28 January 2016 11: 14
      +7
      blurted out Vova about Volodya, then caught on
      -----------------------------------------
      Here it is. When he begins to teach history historians, my ears are fading.
      Here at least take this pearl:
      ----------------------------------------
      The President explained that in the program of the first leader of the Soviet state, he personally does not like the extreme liberalism, according to which any region can independently leave the state, declaring full sovereignty.
      -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

      --
      All actions of politicians should be assessed not on the basis of like-dislike. And taking into account the situation when they were accepted. At that time, the entire fate of the country hung in the balance. all the outskirts wanted independence. The country is about to collapse. And in this difficult period, such a "carrot" was the only way to preserve its integrity.
      And in general, it is not the business of politicians to tailor history. Otherwise, we step on the same rake: the winners or caliphs write the story for an hour, if you like. That is why we have erred a huge chunk of our early history and are now composing stories one more beautifully.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 28 January 2016 06: 28
    29
    Indeed, Putin didn’t say anything stupid out of his mind. Lenin, with his ideology, made it clear to ordinary people that they weren’t black, and citizens understood that they didn’t have to curry favor with the gentleman or other gentlemen, they were the same as them. Plus, the Communists created this from the country a superpower, Russia has never been so strong and influential in the world arena. What do we see after 25 years of bourgeois rule? Have neither decent education, no medicine, no factories created jobs for people? Also no. Crime can be less than in the USSR , or maybe the state is now giving municipal apartments for free? Also, no. And remember what was built and created in the country after 25 years of Soviet rule.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 39
      -22 qualifying.
      Quote: Yak28
      Indeed, Putin didn’t say stupidly

      Good phrase, Putin will blurt out something here. But Lenin, yes, it’s hard even to call a person.
      Quote: Yak28
      Lenin with his ideology made it clear to ordinary people that they are not black

      He dusted the brains of people, as he recently did in Ukraine. German laying.
      Quote: Yak28
      Russia has never been and never will be.

      Will be! And do not dream about something else.
      Quote: Yak28
      .What do we see after 25 years of bourgeois rule? Neither a decent education, nor medicine, maybe factories set up jobs for people? Also, no.

      Basilio's cat was completely blind.
      Quote: Yak28
      Crime may be less than in the USSR

      And you have access to statistics of crimes in the USSR, everything was classified. You should recall how your Leninists destroyed their own people.
      Quote: Yak28
      or maybe the state now gives municipal apartments for free

      In the USSR, many people stood in line for decades. Veterans lived in barracks. And there were constant lines in stores, crowds. There were pluses, but there were much more minuses.
      Quote: Yak28
      .And remember what was built and created in the country after 25 years of Soviet power.

      Well, if from 20 to 45, then not so much. Although you are now accustomed to a good and satisfying life, you have cars, apartments, money, but the slightest crisis and you remember Lenin and say how good it was then. And then the crowds rushed to McDonald's and demolished the USSR. This was done by the people and probably not from the good of life.
      1. heal
        heal 28 January 2016 08: 39
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, if from 20 to 45, then not so much.

        Yes of course. And the war was won by cuttings from shovels.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 14: 00
          -3
          Quote: heal
          . And the war was won by cuttings from shovels.

          27 lives. That's the price of victory.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 14: 09
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            27 lives. That's the price of victory

            Well, dear! 20 of them are civilians! Also the Bolsheviks are to blame? Tell us: who fought better? I would like to learn from examples.
      2. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 10: 10
        +6
        the right path is idesh lord, how did you demolish the USSR and demolish present clowns, everything repeats in life. Cars, apartments, money? What planet are you from? Aaaaaa, bought on credit at 20% per annum, is this the current achievement of power? And you ask now in people on Tverskaya (foreign currency borrowers) what they think about a well-fed life, or thrown investors, or black realtors, etc. to achieve the current government, I’ll also remind you-2000, oil 34 bucks, gasoline 8 rubles a liter, 2016 , oil 31 bucks, gasoline 37 rubles. Indeed, during the time of the reign of the gdp, they began to live a cool life, only there is no need to remind about the salaries paid on time, this is contrary to him, and not thanks, in the Duma not only single
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 January 2016 19: 34
          +1
          I started to live perfectly during the GDP - I opened my business in 2010, and at the expense of "We will demolish this power" - you have a lot of guts to do this, firstly - they will give you hell to do it, and secondly, no one needs it, except you , since, unlike you, the rest of the people have already understood that the overthrow of the government can lead to irreparable consequences for the state as a whole and for everyone, there is only one way - to overthrow in a legal way - to go to the polls.
      3. Turkestan
        Turkestan 28 January 2016 16: 15
        +3
        A special piquancy of official hatred of Lenin is given by the fact that all of our CIS countries (by unforgettable definition, are based on that material base, the basis of which was laid by the Bolsheviks.
        Before exposing the bloody tyrant, debunkers would have to turn off the lights in their apartment: Lenin’s GOELRO plan provided them with electricity. Apartments to the state would also be worth giving back - it was the socialist state that decided to provide the entire population with living space, regardless of its income. And not bad coped with this task.

        I'm not talking about the subway, railways, airports, highways, cinema, libraries and other little things. Such nonsense, invented by Lenin and his comrades, as free medicine and free education, does not count. Although it was she who somehow kept afloat our CIS countries, preventing them from exploding from the inside.

        It seems that all these nishtyaki once just fell on our heads. But they all have copyright. All these children's camps, paid bulletins, general education by the highest standards, TRP norms and old-age pensions - all this was Bolshevik know-how, absolutely advanced at that time.
    2. atalef
      atalef 28 January 2016 07: 56
      -20 qualifying.
      Quote: Yak28
      Indeed, Putin didn’t say anything stupid out of great mind. Lenin, with his ideology, made it clear to ordinary people that they weren’t

      On a nearby branch, an article about S. Korea. There is already the 3rd generation of Kimov. They also explain to the people. that they are not mobile.
      people believe, but how else. Kima is fat. which means smart.

      Quote: Yak28
      , and the citizens realized that there was no need to curry favor with the gentleman or other gentlemen, they are the same as them.

      Well, yes, one people, only south of the 40th parallel, as it is otherwise.
      Quote: Yak28
      Plus, the Communists created a superpower from the country, Russia has never been and never will be so strong and influential on the world stage.

      something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 28 January 2016 08: 01
        11
        Quote: atalef
        something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days

        Hi Sasha - the state was shaken for a long time and stubbornly; these are the final processes that took on an avalanche-like character.
        It’s scary another how quickly we come to the same result again ... stagnation, corruption, personality cult (without personality), etc.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 January 2016 08: 15
          0
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: atalef
          something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days

          Hi Sasha - the state was shaken for a long time and stubbornly; these are the final processes that took on an avalanche-like character.
          It’s scary another how quickly we come to the same result again ... stagnation, corruption, personality cult (without personality), etc.

          Hey . Nikolay.
          loosened for a long time?
          And where were the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Prosecutor's office. Control Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. OBHSS, etc. etc. --- that no one saw anything?
          Everything is rotten; you yourself remember that time. no one believed anything. all these tales are in a box and promises that the next generation will live under communism.
          And all the pancake sat and waited. the last song in the morning mail and the Concert of artists of foreign pop (on NG) - that would at least look at it. how the west rots.

          Quote: afdjhbn67
          What scares another is how quickly we come to the same result again ... stagnation, corruption, personality cult (without personality), etc.

          but what 7 something has changed?
          When you see one thing on TV and the other outside the window, you fall into some kind of dissonance and can only be extinguished by it --- correctly --- the cult of personality and intimidation threats.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 28 January 2016 08: 25
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            falling into some dissonance

            It’s quite a cognitive dissonance, yes .. I’ve been struck by the site lately or are completely Kremlin bots, which is unlikely or they’re just watching the Solovyov’s program and that's it, they’re watching internet porn))) Marasmus is getting stronger every day ...
          2. Svetlana
            Svetlana 28 January 2016 09: 44
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            And where were the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Prosecutor's office. Control Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. OBHSS, etc. etc. --- that no one saw anything?

            It was they who were engaged in the collapse of the USSR. First, they set up, fired, transplanted (or committed suicides) honest, incorruptible ones, replaced them with corrupt ones, and then everything started rolling downhill, all that remained was to wait until 40 years passed. And the media are in the hands of mafia clans, whose goal is to turn the people into an obedient herd. When necessary, Western values ​​are praised, and when necessary, patriotic. Do not watch TV, but look only at what is happening around.
      2. larand
        larand 28 January 2016 08: 18
        23
        Quote: atalef

        something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days


        If the commanders-in-chief betray their army, then the army is doomed. But humpbacked and Yeltsin did just that.
      3. Platonich
        Platonich 28 January 2016 08: 24
        13
        Dear, remember who your Israel created!
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 January 2016 09: 15
          -21 qualifying.
          Quote: Platonitch
          Dear, remember who your Israel created!

          Created? Do not write stupid things, say, rebuilt and fought for us, at the moment all the countries that seem to have created the USSR have successfully collapsed or fled from the creator. By the way. With Russia the same thing - Abkhazia, Ossetia, the DNI and the LC - more like gangster bits, than something resembling a state
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 28 January 2016 09: 50
            15
            Quote: atalef
            Created? Do not write stupid things, say, rebuilt and fought for us, at the moment all the countries that seem to have created the USSR have successfully collapsed or fled from the creator. By the way. With Russia the same thing - Abkhazia, Ossetia, the DNI and the LC - more like gangster bits, than something resembling a state

            Without Stalin's support, there would be no Israel. And without Soviet advanced weapons and without Soviet Jews who have passed through the Second World War! The Kurds are much more numerous and warlike people, they have been fighting for decades in the hope of creating their own state, but without the support "from outside", a strong state, they will not get ANYTHING!
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 January 2016 10: 02
              -7
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: atalef
              Created? Do not write stupid things, say, rebuilt and fought for us, at the moment all the countries that seem to have created the USSR have successfully collapsed or fled from the creator. By the way. With Russia the same thing - Abkhazia, Ossetia, the DNI and the LC - more like gangster bits, than something resembling a state

              Without Stalin's support, there would be no Israel. And without Soviet advanced weapons and without Soviet Jews who have passed through the Second World War! The Kurds are much more numerous and warlike people, they have been fighting for decades in the hope of creating their own state, but without the support "from outside", a strong state, they will not get ANYTHING!

              Well, what would Stalin do? I’d go to war with England, what wouldn’t Israel be? Without Soviet weapons, don’t write nonsense at all, but about Soviet (nevertheless Jews) - moreover, you absolutely do not know the story.
              The Kurds brought an example, the same to me as an example.
              I want to remind you a little bit that I supported the creation of Israel not only the USSR, but also several other dwarf ones. Countries such as the United States, France, Germany, etc., it’s enough in my opinion not to ascribe glory to Stalin
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 28 January 2016 11: 56
                11
                Quote: atalef without Soviet weapons, do not write nonsense at all, but about Soviet (nonetheless Jews), all the more, you absolutely do not know the story.

                In the outbreak of the Israeli War of Independence, the United States took a neutral position, and even rather a hostile attitude towards Israel - the United States imposed an embargo on the supply of weapons to Israel. Britain’s attitude was even more hostile to Israel.
                In January 1948 of the year, the first contract was concluded for the supply to Israel from Czechoslovakia of 4500 rifles, 20 machine guns and 5 million rounds.
                5 February 1948 year Moshe Sharet in conversation A. Gromyko asked to help with weapons. Indeed, the sale of weapons to the Israelis began, mainly through Czechoslovakia.
                In October 1948, only through Czechoslovakia to Israel was sent: 25 fighter-bomber Avia S-199
                61 Supermarine Spitfire Fighter
                34 500 rifles P-18
                5 515 machine gun MG 34 with cartridges
                900 machine guns vz. Xnumx
                500 pistols vz. Xnumx
                12 submachine guns ZK-383
                10 semi-automatic rifles ZK 420
                500 light machine guns VZ. Xnumx
                91,500,000 cartridges 7.92 × 57mm Mauser
                15,000,000 cartridges 9mm Parabellum
                ~ 1,000,000 other cartridges.
                The Israelis bought the Mauser store rifles of the Czech model 1924 and the German Mauser 98k, the single machine guns MG.34 and MG.42, the machine gun ZB-53 (MG.37t), about 25 thousand rifles, more than 5 thousand manual and single and XN easel machine guns, more than 200 million rounds of ammunition and 54 planes of the Messerschmitt type (S-25 Avia) - totaling 199 million dollars.
                These weapons were delivered by air and sea, through the Yugoslav port of Split. 17 August 1948 year welcoming the Soviet envoy, Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion stated that the Israeli army received a significant amount of weapons from Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, including artillery, which it previously did not have at all.
                P. Sudoplatov claims that the use of Soviet intelligence officers in combat and sabotage operations against the British in Mandatory Palestine was already begun in 1946.
                Several hundred volunteers from the USSR, mainly demobilized officers, fought as part of the MAHAL corps.
                Israeli politician Yitzhak Shamir noted that Jewish volunteers who had previously served in the Red Army and the Soviet Army played a large role in the War of Independence. (In 1947, the entire Jewish people were delighted with Gromyko. Interview with YITZHAKOM SHAMIR, the former head of Mossad and the Prime Minister of Israel, a participant in the war for independence.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 28 January 2016 12: 09
                  -8
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Quote: atalef without Soviet weapons, do not write nonsense at all, but about Soviet (nonetheless Jews), all the more, you absolutely do not know the story.

                  In the outbreak of the Israeli War of Independence, the United States took a neutral position, and even rather a hostile attitude towards Israel - the United States imposed an embargo on the supply of weapons to Israel. Britain’s attitude was even more hostile to Israel.
                  In January 1948 of the year, the first contract was concluded for the supply to Israel from Czechoslovakia of 4500 rifles, 20 machine guns and 5 million rounds.
                  5 February 1948 year Moshe Sharet in conversation A. Gromyko asked to help with weapons. Indeed, the sale of weapons to the Israelis began, mainly through Czechoslovakia.
                  In October 1948, only through Czechoslovakia to Israel was sent: 25 fighter-bomber Avia S-199
                  61 Supermarine Spitfire Fighter
                  34 500 rifles P-18
                  5 515 machine gun MG 34 with cartridges
                  900 machine guns vz. Xnumx
                  500 pistols vz. Xnumx
                  12 submachine guns ZK-383
                  10 semi-automatic rifles ZK 420
                  500 light machine guns VZ. Xnumx
                  91,500,000 cartridges 7.92 × 57mm Mauser
                  15,000,000 cartridges 9mm Parabellum
                  ~ 1,000,000 other cartridges.
                  The Israelis bought the Mauser store rifles of the Czech model 1924 and the German Mauser 98k, the single machine guns MG.34 and MG.42, the machine gun ZB-53 (MG.37t), about 25 thousand rifles, more than 5 thousand manual and single and XN easel machine guns, more than 200 million rounds of ammunition and 54 planes of the Messerschmitt type (S-25 Avia) - totaling 199 million dollars.
                  These weapons were delivered by air and sea, through the Yugoslav port of Split. 17 August 1948 year welcoming the Soviet envoy, Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion stated that the Israeli army received a significant amount of weapons from Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, including artillery, which it previously did not have at all.
                  P. Sudoplatov claims that the use of Soviet intelligence officers in combat and sabotage operations against the British in Mandatory Palestine was already begun in 1946.
                  Several hundred volunteers from the USSR, mainly demobilized officers, fought as part of the MAHAL corps.
                  Israeli politician Yitzhak Shamir noted that Jewish volunteers who had previously served in the Red Army and the Soviet Army played a large role in the War of Independence. (In 1947, the entire Jewish people were delighted with Gromyko. Interview with YITZHAKOM SHAMIR, the former head of Mossad and the Prime Minister of Israel, a participant in the war for independence.

                  They sold, didn’t give, didn’t deliver, they sold, and sold not only the USSR, then a few hundred volunteers --- and on this basis and raising their hands at the UN - everyone is still sure that the USSR created Israel
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 28 January 2016 12: 28
                    +6
                    Quote: atalef They sold, didn’t give, didn’t deliver, they sold, and sold not only the USSR, then a few hundred volunteers --- and on this basis and raising their hands at the UN - everyone is still sure that the USSR created Israel

                    Yes, Israel was created by Jews. But without weapons, political support, and even without people who fought in World War II and left for Palestine, could Israel survive? Help, as in the Old Testament under Moses, was not there?
                    "The Soviet Jews who left illegally were about 20 – 25 thousand, among them - hundreds of servicemen from the Soviet occupation zone of Germany, about a thousand Hasidim of Chabad and several thousand - with the help of the organization "Briha" ("Flight"), which operated in the Soviet Union in 1944-46. "The latter, I especially like, Apparently, the MGB knew nothing about this organization.
                  2. sleeping sayan
                    sleeping sayan 28 January 2016 13: 11
                    +5
                    "sold-not presented." This is the soul of a Jew, cannot bear. Jews, you just need to give. But, only a Jew can sell at exorbitant prices.
                  3. Captain45
                    Captain45 28 January 2016 13: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: atalef
                    Sold, not presented, not delivered, sold, and sold not only the USSR

                    Well, sho Vi want from them? They are goyim. Here, the "chosen of God" would definitely give, free of charge, that is, a gift lol
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 January 2016 09: 50
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Platonitch
            Dear, remember who your Israel created!

            Created? Do not write stupid things, say, rebuilt and fought for us, at the moment all the countries that seem to have created the USSR have successfully collapsed or fled from the creator. By the way. With Russia the same thing - Abkhazia, Ossetia, the DNI and the LC - more like gangster bits, than something resembling a state

            And he himself just mentioned S. Korea. smile
          3. avva2012
            avva2012 28 January 2016 11: 24
            12
            Quote: atalef Created? Do not write nonsense, still say rebuilt and fought for us

            You can read: Zhores Medvedev "Stalin and the creation of the state of Israel." Literature: Official Records of the General Assembly of UN. Second Session. 12th Meeting. - P. 69-70.
            Ibid. 125th Meeting. - P. 1359; Speech Gromyko A.A. at the Plenary meeting of the General Assembly on November 28 of the 1947 of the year // Foreign Policy of the Soviet Union. 1947 year. Part II - M.: State Political Publishing House, 1952. - S. 241.
            Official Records ... 128th Meeting. - P. 1424-1425.
            Meir Golda. My life - London: Wpidenfeld and Nicolson, 1975. -P. 188-189; Meup Gold. My life. Autobiography. - Jerusalem: Bk Alia, 1990. - S. 258.
            Ibid. - R. 188; in the same place. - S. 257.
            I think you speak English.
            Next: Golda Meir in 1947 and 1948 years: “The recognition of the Soviet Union that followed the American one had different roots. Now I have no doubt that the main thing for the Soviets was the expulsion of England from the Middle East. But in the autumn of 1947, when there was a debate in the United Nations, it seemed to me that the Soviet bloc supported us also because the Russians themselves paid for their victory at a terrible price and therefore, deeply sympathizing with the Jews who were so badly affected by the Nazis, they understand that they deserved own state. "
            And more: President of the World Zionist Organization Nachum Goldman: “Without the Soviet Union, the state of Israel would not exist at all. And not so much because the Russians voted in favor of its creation, but because thanks to the fact that during the Arab invasion of 1948 — 1949 Israel received all the weapons from the communist countries. ”
            The founder of Israel, the Prime Minister, confirmed the same thing. Ben-Gurion. In an interview with Israeli television, he said:
            "If now I accept you in the Jewish state, then we owe this much more to the Soviet Union than to the United States, because during our war of independence, when we were surrounded by the Arab armies, we did not get a single gun from the United States."
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        2. iouris
          iouris 30 January 2016 15: 32
          0
          First, the Jews created the USSR.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 28 January 2016 08: 44
        18
        Quote: atalef
        something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days

        Do you think that the USSR was not a superpower? Well, this is not surprising for the Jews, because there has always been only one superpower, these are their masters, the USA!))) Although, it was thanks to the USSR that the state of Israel arose! But the USSR didn’t fall apart in ten days! This was preceded by the long Brezhnev years of stagnation, and then came outright traitors, Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
      5. Svetlana
        Svetlana 28 January 2016 09: 36
        10
        Quote: atalef
        something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days

        Not 10 days, but 40 years! You must know what has been happening with human psychology for 40 years, Moses has been chasing you for 40 years in the desert too.
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 January 2016 10: 08
          -6
          Quote: Svetlana
          Quote: atalef
          something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days

          Not 10 days, but 40 years! You must know what has been happening with human psychology for 40 years, Moses has been chasing you for 40 years in the desert too.

          Yes, it is not in vain that all people remembering slavery would die and only free people would enter Israel (by the way, God himself did not allow Moses to enter Israel)
          Based on your growth, I would like to understand that 40 years of the USSR was falling apart, and?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 January 2016 11: 17
            15
            So our people have forgotten what the "animal grin of capitalism" is.
            “The goal of my life was the destruction of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the intolerable dictatorship. That is why my wife helped me to occupy ever higher posts. I found like-minded people, among whom Yakovlev and Shevardnadze played a special role ...
            After 2000, the world will be prosperous ... Unfortunately, China did not listen to my words, dispersed the student demonstration. "
            (from a speech by Gorbachev in Turkey 1999)
            Aw, Mikhailo Sergeich, the devils are waiting ...
          2. Svetlana
            Svetlana 28 January 2016 11: 59
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            that all people remembering slavery would die and only free people enter Israel (by the way, God himself did not allow Moses to enter Israel)

            The stereotype is clear in his enlightenment. That's just to the source, he has nothing to do, as you do not interpret it.

            First, in fact, against the slavery (not Egyptian, but in general), neither the Bible nor Moses had anything special against it. These were the realities of the time, and that was the norm.

            Secondly, the Bible specifically indicates why certain people will not get to the new earth:

            “All who have seen My glory and My signs, made by Me in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted Me ten times already, and have not listened to My voice, will not see the land that I promised with oath to their fathers; all who irritate Me will not see her; ”
            Numbers XIV, 22, 23:

            Obviously, we are talking about disbelief in the glory of the Lord, and about distrusting the correctness of the path dictated by him, as well as about his slight irritability.
            Actually, the whole three first commandments of the Decalogue are directed against the sin of distrust. Actually, for this sin, in modern language, a residence permit in the land promised to all whom Moses brought out of Egypt was not given. Including, by the way, Moses himself, along with his first assistant and deputy, Aaron.

            And in the third (and most characteristic), the next generation of Israelis for the same sin - doubt about the correctness of the will of the Lord - was punished in the same specific circumstances in a completely different way.

            Look for yourself: former slaves, for fear of the strength of their potential enemies, the Canaanites (and six other nations with them), whom they should destroy or expel from the promised land, are very emotionally opposed to this.

            “And the whole society raised a cry, and the people wept that night; and all the sons of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron, and all the congregation said unto them, O, if we would die in the land of Egypt, or die in this wilderness! and why does the Lord lead us into this land, that we may fall by the sword? our wives and our children will go to prey; Is it not better for us to return to Egypt? ”
            Numbers XIV, 1, 2, 3;

            Obviously, in this case, there is a manifestation of both slave psychology (speaking in terms of the discussed stereotype) and sinful unbelief. Punishment (begged, by the way, by Moses: the Lord was going to simply destroy everyone) we know: everyone was denied a "visa".
            And here is the same story, but which happened already after 40 years:
            "And the people began to be faint-hearted on the way, and the people said against God and against Moses: why did you bring us out of Egypt to die in the wilderness, for there is neither bread nor water, and our worthless food has disgusted our soul."
            Numbers XXI, 4. 5;

            Pay attention: after all, none of those who were brought out of Egypt by Moses remained, and the words are the same - "why did they take us out of there?"
            Formally, the soul-Egyptian slavery is the same, and unbelief is like him.

            True, the punishment for these words is already different:

            "And the Lord sent poisonous serpents to the people who stung the people, and many people from Israel died."
            Numbers XXI, 6;

            To squeezing out a slave drop by drop from himself and by a person from society, as we see, this story does not apply at all.
          3. alexej123
            alexej123 28 January 2016 12: 03
            +6
            I’m looking - as with the flag of Israel, so Russia is bad, in different terms. Now, Stalin, who was the first to lend a helping hand, is groaning. Gentlemen of Israel, check out Wikipedia http://cyclowiki.org/wiki. And then you are some stubborn. Is it your national voice of blood or what? Will you argue with history?
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 January 2016 12: 13
              -7
              Quote: alexej123
              I’m looking - as with the flag of Israel, so Russia is bad, in different terms. Now, Stalin, who was the first to lend a helping hand, is groaning. Gentlemen of Israel, check out Wikipedia http://cyclowiki.org/wiki. And then you are some stubborn. Is it your national voice of blood or what? Will you argue with history?

              Well, come on without fairy tales, Israel has a wonderful relationship with Stalin, and on the day of his death there was nat, mourning - against all these idiots who were entrusted with Israel creating the USSR exclusively and without Israel there would have been no Israel
              1. alexej123
                alexej123 28 January 2016 14: 54
                +3
                That is, fairy tales are printed on Wiki? Don't turn everything upside down. "Mourning". You are told that Stalin was the FIRST who extended a helping hand to Israel at a time when the United States and Britons were only trying to hinder you. And now you lick them, and hide Stalin for nothing.
              2. alexej123
                alexej123 28 January 2016 14: 58
                +3
                Are the territories occupied by Israel not just bandit stubs? In the "bandit stubs" you mentioned, the majority of the population is grateful to Russia. Are you grateful in the territories occupied by Israel?
      6. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 10: 21
        +5
        why sow Korea, and why not give China an example? believe, under the Russian tsar, Israel would definitely not exist, or whose slogan was forgotten by all the brothers? So who and whom you should pray to the country of councils like that, now you are under an American blanket, and you have your own opinion
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 January 2016 10: 28
          -6
          Quote: dzeredzavkomimu
          why sow Korea, and why not give China an example? believe, under the Russian tsar, Israel would definitely not exist, or whose slogan was forgotten by all the brothers? So who and whom you should pray to the country of councils like that, now you are under an American blanket, and you have your own opinion

          Why not bring Abkhazia? Wanauta and Tuvalu recognized it - are they the same as their creators?
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 28 January 2016 11: 55
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            Why not bring Abkhazia? Wanauta and Tuvalu recognized it - are they the same as their creators?

            I wonder why Israel in its current borders did not recognize a single country in the world and the capital in Jerusalem, too? Even your best friend and benefactor of the USA does not recognize smile
      7. Aleksander
        Aleksander 28 January 2016 10: 45
        0
        Quote: atalef
        something is this superpower. with their ideology fell apart in 10 days


        You are wrong - for a whole 17 days! "The leading and guiding force of the CPSU society" lol fled and disappeared faster than cockroaches with the lights turned on - not a single member of the mind has rushed to defend the commandids so dear to him ..
    3. Stas57
      Stas57 28 January 2016 09: 25
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      Indeed, Putin didn’t say stupidly

      Putin said an obvious thing for anyone who knows the history of the country.
      you do not know her.
      but of course "stupid Putin" is to blame
      again
      was 2 type of the USSR- Lenin and Stalin, defeated Lenin.
      why did Lenin plant a bomb ??
      we look at the picture and turn on the brain
    4. avva2012
      avva2012 28 January 2016 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: Yak28 Indeed, Putin didn’t say anything stupid out of his mind.

      The president didn’t say anything stupid. You probably forgot that he is the Guarantor of the Constitution. That is, he, by definition, should not occupy a non-right or left-wing position. And yet about his opinion, he was able to express himself: “A planned economy has certain advantages, it makes it possible to concentrate national resources on the implementation of the most important tasks. Thus, health issues were resolved, which was the undoubted merit of the Communist Party of that time. In this way, the issues of education were resolved - an indisputable merit of the Communist Party of that time. So the issues of industrialization in its defense were resolved. I think that if it were not for the concentration of national resources, the Soviet Union could not have prepared for a war with Nazi Germany. And the probability of defeat with catastrophic consequences for our statehood, for the Russian people and other peoples of the Soviet Union would be great. Therefore, these are all unconditional advantages. ” In what language is it even more clear to say about our preferences to our president?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 11: 08
        +4
        In what language is it even more clear to say about your preferences,
        In the language of affairs ...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 28 January 2016 12: 12
          0
          Quote: Gardamir In the language of affairs ...

          Wait and see. Earlier, even in words, he did not speak about it.
  • Pereira
    Pereira 28 January 2016 06: 35
    12
    Nothing of the kind, not stupidity. Stupidity is a legal loophole for the collapse of the Russian Empire. But Stalin, just a collector. Here everything is said correctly.
    1. apro
      apro 28 January 2016 06: 39
      14
      And when the Russian empire was torn apart into legal subtleties, they did not go into the Baltic states and Poland, our "allies" recognized Finland at once.
      1. Boos
        Boos 28 January 2016 06: 44
        +4
        And Bukovina and Bessarabia ... were given to the minders.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 46
        -14 qualifying.
        Quote: apro
        And when the Russian empire was torn apart into legal subtleties, they did not go into the Baltic States and Poland, our "allies" immediately recognized Finland

        Thank you, Lenin.
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 07: 00
          11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Thank you, Lenin.

          Well then, at the same time, say thanks for not living in any Moscow directory
        2. UrraletZ
          UrraletZ 28 January 2016 07: 39
          13
          The anti-adviser is ALWAYS a scoundrel.
          Do not show your ignorance and stop talking nonsense.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 58
            -3
            Quote: UrraletZ
            The anti-adviser is ALWAYS a scoundrel.

            Hello country conscience wassat
            Blow to Ukraine the Bolshevik, now they protect Lenin wassat
            28.01. Ukraine demands from the UN to protect V. I. Lenin from V. Putin's "aggression".

            The Ukrainian delegation initiated a discussion in the UN Security Council of recent statements by Russian President Vladimir Putin on V.I. Lenin, which cast doubt on the borders of Ukraine. This was reported by the press service of the Foreign Ministry.
            laughing
            http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3621318-slova-putyna-o-hranytsakh-ukra
            yny-obsudyly-v-oon
        3. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 28 January 2016 08: 11
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Thank you, Lenin.

          Hi Sasha - judging by how they are minced - Lenin is now, more alive than all the living ..)))
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 57
            -2
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            judging by how minuscule - Lenin and now, more alive than all living ..

            I’m healthy.
            Oh no, look at how many minuses. On the site are 40 people. Well, will they put me 000 minuses is an indicator? if so, why? For the most part, people have a deep grip on Lenin. This is one of the few who loves to touch the Bolsheviks.
      3. atalef
        atalef 28 January 2016 08: 18
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: Pereira
        Nothing of the kind, not stupidity. Stupidity is a legal loophole for the collapse of the Russian Empire. But Stalin, just a collector. Here everything is said correctly.

        Quote: apro
        And when the Russian empire was torn apart into legal subtleties, they did not go into the Baltic states and Poland, our "allies" recognized Finland at once.

        all the land does not get drunk?
        What territory is small?
        Or do you think the presence of Poland and Finland in the USSR would make the USSR richer?
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 28 January 2016 08: 36
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: atalef
          Or do you think the presence of Poland and Finland in the USSR would make the USSR richer?

          This also amazes me - because we can’t really dispose of it, the surplus of territories sometimes carries the underdevelopment of territories ..
          - In one of the countries with the richest reserves of natural resources, with its leadership in the world market in terms of sales of commodities (about 9%), they support the power of thieves with the ideology “Corruption is a means of personal enrichment and a mechanism for maintaining power” only because the level life has become better than with the previous thieves.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 28 January 2016 09: 22
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          all the land does not get drunk?
          What territory is small?

          Well, this is not for us! Israel is a master in this case! Whose land did Israel occupy, can you tell me? It is hard to find a more aggressive state! Give Syria the Golan Heights! Hear, you, all "do not get drunk with the earth"!
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        4. Dart2027
          Dart2027 28 January 2016 19: 36
          0
          Quote: atalef
          That the territory is small

          So give out yours. Who's stopping something? Those wishing to purchase near by, do not need to search.
  • kebeskin
    kebeskin 28 January 2016 07: 06
    +7
    Regarding Lenin, and the state as a whole, I want to leave a quote to Joseph Vissarionovich in 1941 (Lenin left us a great state, and we shamed it).
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 28 January 2016 07: 55
      22
      Quote: kebeskin
      Lenin left us a great state, and we pissed him off
      The words are attributed to the events that caught the country's leadership by surprise, to the monstrous losses from the German attack. In our case, it would be more correct to say that Stalin left us a great state ... Nevertheless, there would have been no Lenin, there would not have been everything that made it possible to build the Soviet Union later. The Brest Peace was a necessary measure, and Putin did not know whether it was, with a university education and a KGB school. If then the Bolsheviks had not concluded peace with the Germans, the power would not have been retained, and Lenin was right that peace should be concluded on any terms. Everything that we lost then was later returned, adding also the lands that the Japanese took after the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905, taking the lands of East Prussia. Let the whole of Finland not return, but significant territories passed from it to us, in general, half of Europe was under the control and influence of the USSR, other countries that entered the camp of socialism. "The bomb was planted", yes, in vain they divided the Russian lands, even more in vain, they called Little Russia separatist "Ukraine", but then it was the idea of ​​the Union, which inspired, thanks to which they created a superpower with a nuclear shield and space entry. The tsar abdicated the throne not because of Lenin, and it was not Lenin who organized the February revolution, but if the Bolsheviks had not taken power from Kerensky's puppet government, Russia would have been finished, 1991 for us would have begun already in 1917, with the difference that it was then a semi-literate country, drained of blood by war, all in debt, and not a nuclear superpower. The West did not need a strong Russia, neither with a tsar, nor without a tsar, the Anglo-Saxons and then destroyed all the main competitors - the German Empire, the Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman. If independent socialism had not appeared, thanks to the communists, the domination of the Anglo-Saxons over the worlds would have been achieved after the First World War (the Japanese Empire would have been finished off after this and so), and Hitler would not have been fed by the Anglo-Saxons (as an antipode of Russia and communism), Germany would have been strangled by meticulous observance of restrictions Versailles. Lenin, socialism, the Soviet Union, this is what saved Russia, and the whole world, from the Satanism of transnational ghouls, the rotten morality of capitalism, which has now shown its true face in its bloody crimes all over the world.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 28 January 2016 10: 04
        +7
        Quote: Per se.
        Lenin, socialism, the Soviet Union, this is what saved Russia, and indeed the whole world, from the satanism of transnational ghouls, the rotten morality of capitalism, which now has shown its true face in its bloody crimes around the world.

        I agree with you absolutely in everything that you said, the only thing I would add after the word socialism is Stalin. This man managed to do what Lenin could not have done if he had lived 15 years. A nuclear superpower arose from oblivion as soon as possible only thanks to the Stalinist plan for the country's development and the ability to find the most suitable people for its implementation.
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  • assam4
    assam4 28 January 2016 13: 33
    +3
    Even at the stage of the formation of the USSR, Lenin planted an “atomic bomb” under Russia.


    Lenin apparently not only planted a bomb under Russia, but also under industry, education, medicine, and the army. A true terrorist bomber ... sad
  • ioann1
    ioann1 28 January 2016 14: 02
    -4
    Lenin was never a lion. Most likely the devil in the flesh.
  • wax
    wax 28 January 2016 17: 32
    +3
    It seems that Lenin is also to blame for the fact that by 2012 the GDP did not double in relation to 2002, and that the production level of 1989 has not yet been reached in the Russian Federation.
    In addition, it should be noted that the results of the referendum of March 17, 1991 confirmed the correctness of Lenin's ideas about the power of equal union of peoples, in comparison with the force of coercion. After all, no one questions the right of nations to self-determination. Otherwise, how to justify the withdrawal of the autonomous Crimea from Ukraine. The origins of the collapse of the Union in the betrayal and commercialism of apostates from Leninist ideas with outside interference.
    Until now, Putin has managed to distance himself from such issues, but now he seems to have beguiled the demon. What for?
  • Rastas
    Rastas 28 January 2016 19: 47
    +4
    It’s just shifting from a sore head to a healthy one. Putin, it seems, does not understand at all in what socio-political situation the country lived then and the prerequisites for what happened then, because the history in Russia is now reduced to some conspiracy theological rubbish without any analysis and reasons for what happened. Most dumb, this is said not only by the former communist, but also by the KGB lieutenant colonel, who vowed to defend Lenin’s conquests. So the conclusion suggests itself - maybe Putin should also dig in himself. Where was he when the Union fell apart? Did he work for Sobchak? Is it not because of such renegades that the Union collapsed?
  • vladimir_krm
    vladimir_krm 28 January 2016 20: 26
    +2
    Guys, take one thing into account: Putin never says such resonant things for nothing. Once said - it means the matter is not at all in Lenin, but in much closer, today's affairs. Well, think about the goals and objectives of this statement yourself, I’d better keep silent :) But they definitely are, and very important.
  • BLOND
    BLOND 28 January 2016 06: 16
    12
    Over my not-long century, I came to the conclusion that I, probably an ideological communist, is closer (although I didn’t belong to a single party for a single day, so thank God it happened) But I definitely wouldn’t join the Communist Party of the Russian Federation!

    it’s just right to ask a question, who in modern Russia is the ideological leader of the “left”? .. Zyuganov, or how? ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 20
      -23 qualifying.
      Quote: BLOND
      For my not long century, I came to the conclusion that I am a communist

      It was necessary to get so drunk. Nothing will let go with time.
      Quote: BLOND
      probably ideological

      Or maybe not laughing
      Quote: BLOND
      But now he would definitely not join the Communist Party of the Russian Federation!

      So it’s not at all ideological, you are not worthy of being a communist wassat
      1. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 28 January 2016 08: 23
        11
        There is enough mind to jerk and troll. There are no reasons to provide, no, not enough ....
      2. BLOND
        BLOND 28 January 2016 10: 18
        +6
        Why get drunk? I'm serious
        You Know for me Gorbachev Zyuganov is not an indicator ..
        I knew simple communists whom the ambulance took away with a stroke in the 91st ...
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 28 January 2016 06: 21
    14
    And the marked, therefore, and not at all, since the mine was already there and no one tried to "neutralize" it request
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 26
      -7
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      A tagged and therefore not to do with

      A labeled secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU wink Glory to the Communist Party lol
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 07: 04
        19
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A marked secretary of the CPSU Central Committee wink Glory to the Communist Party lol

        But Putin didn’t throw out his membership card! Glory to the Communist Party wink
        1. atalef
          atalef 28 January 2016 07: 57
          -5
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          A marked secretary of the CPSU Central Committee wink Glory to the Communist Party lol

          But Putin didn’t throw out his membership card! Glory to the Communist Party wink

          good
        2. heal
          heal 28 January 2016 09: 00
          +4
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          But Putin didn’t throw out his membership card!

          Moreover, he was also a KGB officer. And he betrayed the same GKB and the USSR. And the betrayer once, betray and twice.
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 28 January 2016 09: 20
          19
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          But Putin didn’t throw out his membership card! Communist Party glory wink

          Quote: BLOND
          Over my not long century, I came to the conclusion that I, probably an ideologist, is closer (although I did not belong to a single party for a single day, so thank God it turned out)

          A case from life: Approximately in January-February 1992, at the general department divorce of the city police department, where I worked then, the head of the department asks the officer on duty: "What is it, you are not reporting?" He: "About what?" Chief: "Well, yesterday they were going to the Palace of Culture, these ... how are they ...? The communists organized a cell." (And the city party committee had already been liquidated by this time).
          And I sit, look at the chief and think, "Well, you are a female dog, Colonel. Who gave you the Badge of Honor" order to the parasite at the city party conference, for the fact that you, like, curled up in front of the first secretary, licked his ass, for each half a year had passed since August, when I threw away the party card, or maybe I buried it until better times and you no longer remember how the party was called in which you were for 30 years. " These are the "communists" who ruined the USSR. That's because of these "communists" I did not like the CPSU and did not join when they were offered. I made a disagreement, they say, the young ishsho, did not mature, and six months later, the party and memories were gone.
      2. dzeredzavkomimu
        dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 10: 39
        +5
        and Putin from where, and Yeltsin, and chernomyrdin, and Goydar? to continue to list? worse than Chubais hucksters, only these devices that would be attached to any power ... I don’t doubt that under the Germans at 41 they would have attached themselves to them to the service
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 28 January 2016 06: 25
    15
    Then Volodya certainly blurted out such a vain. Ilyich can be treated differently, but to say that he has not-farsighted planted a bomb is complete nonsense. Well, if anyone had laid it so it was Nikolai, Lenin controlled what he got. Moreover, he laid the foundation as a whole successfully.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 29
      -16 qualifying.
      Quote: Tjeck
      but to say that he did not foresightly planted a bomb is complete nonsense.

      Oh, Putin is lying yes. On the "holy" Putin dared ******.
      Quote: Tjeck
      Moreover, he laid the foundation as a whole successfully.

      Well, yes, millions of dead and a destroyed country. That's what brought Russia a moth with a rotten brain.
      1. Tjeck
        Tjeck 28 January 2016 06: 36
        15
        who told you that I am a supporter of Lenin? belay I just think it’s ugly to pour mud on historical dead people, why Putin, for example, does not mention Gorbachev or, for example, gives an assessment of the Rotenberg’s activities ..

        The foundation is bloody yes, but if you choose between Makhno, CP-s and Lenin, then the answer is obvious. Times were severe then ..
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 51
          -3
          Quote: Tjeck
          I just think it’s ugly to pour mud on historical dead people,

          Strange, but in spite of this, you are the first to water Nicholas with mud.
          Quote: Tjeck
          . Times were severe then ..

          I would even say selling times. The times of traitors who ruined Russia for German money.
          Poklonskaya well done, now the Communists have their first enemy. Natalya, a young man. And no Lenin good Install on the desktop.
          1. Tjeck
            Tjeck 28 January 2016 07: 02
            10
            I am not a public person, I can blab anything and for this, apart from the minuses, there will be nothing on the forum. The president will have more responsibility, he is obliged to think over every word.

            As for the tsar and Poklosnka, I am purely curious why exactly the photos of Nicholas, Peter or the Terrible will be any cooler.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 28 January 2016 08: 14
              +2
              Quote: Tjeck
              curious why exactly the photo of Nicholas,

              He reminds her of Medvedev ... lol
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 07: 08
            +8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            collapsed Russia for German money.

            What are your evidence? Have you seen the payments? Even Svanidze bashfully kept silent on this score.
          3. heal
            heal 28 January 2016 09: 06
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Poklonskaya well done, now the Communists have their first enemy. Natalya, a young man. And no Lenin

            Funny, a person who worships the KGB officer and communist hates the communists. A split personality, however.

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I would even say selling times. The times of traitors who ruined Russia for German money.

            White movement and intervention for what money was it?
          4. dzeredzavkomimu
            dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 10: 40
            +6
            ahhh, do you prefer to ruin the country with American money?
        2. Platonich
          Platonich 28 January 2016 08: 30
          +8
          But GDP loved Yeltsin!
        3. Arbogast
          Arbogast 28 January 2016 09: 50
          +6
          Quote: Tjeck
          why Putin, for example, does not mention Gorbachev or, for example, gives an assessment of the activities of the Rotenbergs ..
          It's clear why laughing just to divert attention from Rotenberg activities and other millionaire friends .. repeat
          According to political scientist Konstantin Kalachev, it was no coincidence that Putin spoke out negatively about Lenin, choosing the date of his death for this, which was timed to coincide with a memorable speech by the Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov. “Putin seemed to suggest unleashing the discussion. You can discuss the current crisis, or you can play the role of Lenin. The question is what will the Communists choose, the political scientist believes. - If the ruble continues to fall, then this is the best way to switch attention and the beginning of another debate about our history. Do not forget that this is an elective year. ”
          «Let's talk about the ruble exchange rate? ”-“ No, let's better about Lenin’s views on issues of the national state structure", Argues Kalachev.
          People are wondering what will happen to the ruble, work, salaries. And they are told that Lenin is to blame for the destruction of historical Russia, and his course laid the "atomic bomb" under its foundation.
          http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2016/01/21_a_8034437.shtml
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 07: 21
        17
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Well, yes, millions of dead and a destroyed country. That's what brought Russia a moth with a rotten brain.

        And I thought it was the tsarist bohemian Nicholas sent to demobilization, after which the collapse of the empire began. But it turns out Kerensky, Lviv, Guchkov, Radzianko and Co. ruled wisely and skillfully. And Lenin poured blood over the country, and the generals are white; they are out of business. Well, think, the Supreme Shaved! Well, think about the bride to ride! But at heart they are patriots! I wonder why in Siberia fierce dogs are still called kolchaks?
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 07: 56
        +8
        millions of dead and ruined country
        Are you talking about Tagged, Featherless ..?
      4. heal
        heal 28 January 2016 09: 02
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Oh, Putin is lying yes. Putin dared to "sacred"

        He took the oath of the USSR, he was a communist. And betrayed.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well yes, millions of dead and ruined country.

        Not the Bolsheviks started a civil war, history should be known. Or is it not necessary in the police?
        And if White then won, would there be less blood?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 51
          -6
          Quote: heal
          And betrayed.

          A single-shot pistol is what you need.
          Quote: heal

          Not the Bolsheviks started a civil war, history should be known.

          The gun and cartridge will help you.
      5. Former
        Former 28 January 2016 09: 35
        +8
        Let's get away from the topic "Vova"
        And how much did the "shitcrats" bring?

        Millions of dead (if you count the indirect losses, it will not be 10 or even 20 million), the genocide of the Soviet people during the fucking "perestroika"?

        And for what, in fact?
        Yes, God forbid, to be in Russia during the Revolution, but in the end, a Great State was built!

        The numbers are simple and straightforward.
        1917- devastation and revolution of 1947 (30 years) - the abolition of cards, the country is being built after the Great War, is being built 2 times already!

        1985
        "Perestroika" ...
        Powerful Industrial Power.
        2015 (30 years) and what is the result?
        Interesting parallels, do not you think?

        And by the way, about "moth" and even with a "rotten brain" - I would still be more careful.
        They say that "mole" is also the nickname of a well-known character.
      6. Stas157
        Stas157 28 January 2016 10: 06
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, yes, millions of dead and a destroyed country. That's what brought Russia a moth with a rotten brain.

        That is what the West and the liberals are trying to convey to us. So that we repent, dust our heads, abandon the achievements of the USSR, admit that everything in our past was terrible and wrong! Alexander, are you an agent of influence? And then you are something very zealously sow the seeds of contention!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 48
          -8
          Quote: Stas157
          Alexander, are you an agent of influence?

          Of course, an agent, I’m getting a salary at the State Department.
          They do not repent before whom we are not going to, this is our story. Let it be bloody, but it is ours and we will decide who and who was.
          In this case, there were no questions left with Lenin.
      7. Prophetic
        Prophetic 28 January 2016 23: 14
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, yes, millions of dead and a destroyed country. That's what brought Russia a moth with a rotten brain.
        Saved, despite the complete collapse and betrayal of the interim government, the country, overnight, from the historical point of view, which became Great. Having such a pace of development that China did not. Won the greatest war in history. Created a great science and industry. So much so that dermocrats are already breaking apart, and they cannot ruin everything. The first in the world to launch a man into space. But for people like you, all this does not mean anything. Because for people like you, the main thing is a warm stable and a complete feeding trough.
        At the expense of millions of dead. The Great French Revolution cost France in 5% of the country's population, the English Revolution - 4%. But such complex concepts as a historical regularity, for people like you, are too complex a concept, are they,
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        a moth with a rotten brain.
        ?
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 4 February 2016 19: 44
          -1
          Was it all at the moth? Or with his colleague Trotsky? Whose deeds have exceeded what maniac petr1 did with Russia? With the latter, the population decreased by a third, and with them at least twice.
          About French and English, who taught you this? And then what did they do with the cromwell?
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 28 January 2016 06: 49
      +3
      Quote: Tjeck
      Then Volodya certainly blurted out such a vain. Ilyich can be treated differently, but to say that he has not-farsighted planted a bomb is complete nonsense. Well, if anyone had laid it so it was Nikolai, Lenin controlled what he got. Moreover, he laid the foundation as a whole successfully.

      Putin often used to happen, he would blur something up without thinking it over. A long time ago this was no longer the case.
      He follows the language well. Regarding the foundation laid by Lenin and Co., take a look at the map, there are answers about the meaning of the Leninist foundation, and I was flooded in Lenin's style too, most likely therefore they were sent to rest, but I managed to spoil them.
      1. Boos
        Boos 28 January 2016 08: 54
        +5
        "Will blurt out without thinking" - a politician does not have accidental words, Stalin said!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 28 January 2016 10: 18
        +3
        Quote: Humpty
        look at the map, there are answers about the meaning of the Leninist foundation

        Hi Sasha! laughing You and I don’t even have to look at the map, just look out the window wassat .
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 28 January 2016 15: 04
          +1
          Hello, Sergey . And the forum users consider hohlism to be the standard of insanity. That’s probably because they didn’t encounter the standard foolishness. But at the root of insanity outside the window are the ideas of Lenin and Co.
      3. Free wind
        Free wind 28 January 2016 12: 55
        0
        he doesn’t follow the language at all, but he’s our fse, well, a master of multi-paths. If there weren’t Lenin V.I. Russia would not be! The USSR, under the leadership of Lenin, won the Civil War, strangling all sorts of barriers and slaveholders. The USSR, under the leadership of Stalin, destroyed fascist Germany.
  • Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 28 January 2016 06: 27
    -1
    So the president got under the distribution, and all because the ideology is strong and the stereotypes "I will kill for Lenin" work. It was necessary, without saying a word, to reburial the body according to the Christian tradition and the whole song. And so the demogogues had an extra reason to be smart.
    1. Boos
      Boos 28 January 2016 06: 40
      +9
      What does Lenin have to do with it? Putin has long needed to designate an assessment of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and here he wobbles backwards, and give an objective assessment of his years of rule. As Comrade Stalin said, "Indefinite people, not a candle to God, not a damn poker." For the current clique, Lenin and Stalin are to blame for everything, totalitarianism-you know- "pizot milen honestly tortured, ugh !!!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 08: 02
        12
        Putin has long needed to indicate an assessment of Gorbachev and Yeltsin
        So he designated. Gorbachev Order. To Yeltsin, the mausoleum cleared Lenin’s money.
        And by the way, the Leninist state was a people’s, Putin’s anti-people’s.
      2. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 28 January 2016 08: 04
        +9
        Putin just gave an assessment to Yeltsin, in glass and concrete. Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg.
        For some reason, the picture did not load.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 42
      -23 qualifying.
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      , and all because the ideology is strong and the stereotypes "I will kill for Lenin" work. It was necessary just to reburial without saying a word

      No, do not first put it back in the mausoleum, but without makeup. I want to look at their faces, how they will bow to this Tutankhamun will laughing
      1. Tjeck
        Tjeck 28 January 2016 06: 48
        10
        So you and I will not look any better after 90 years of conservation repeat But we didn’t put it there, it wasn’t for us to clean it. Although I personally do not care, I have never been to mausoleums.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 07: 02
          -4
          Quote: Tjeck
          But we didn’t put it there, it wasn’t for us to clean it.

          And to whom? The one who sent him there has already died. And since it’s us, this is rubbish and cleaned.
          Quote: Tjeck
          Although I personally do not care, I have never been to mausoleums.

          But this is good. +
          You can’t kick me there. There’s nothing to look at. And people also think so breaking into the Tretyakov Gallery.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 07: 13
            14
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            And to whom? The one who sent him there has already died. And since it’s us, this is rubbish and cleaned.

            To the last fighter with monuments, Lenin knocked out an eye
            1. Tjeck
              Tjeck 28 January 2016 07: 17
              +4
              ahahah remember remember, so the monument was - this one can also bite! laughing
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 28 January 2016 10: 09
              0
              Really his mummy came to life and came at night to a fighter with monuments.
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 12: 16
                +3
                Quote: Vadim237
                Really his mummy came to life and came at night to a fighter with monuments.

                Likbez:
                http://www.rossiarusskie.biz/2014/09/upavshij-lenin-vybil-glaz-ukrainskomu.html
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 28 January 2016 09: 57
            11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And to whom? The one who sent him there has already died. And since it’s us, this is rubbish and cleaned.
            Alexander, I understand that you are a believer ... If so, than the holy relics that were taken away to the cathedrals here were less worthy of burial? The Bolsheviks did not invent anything more than what was already in Christianity, in general, in world practice. If you resist, even in the Holy Communion you will find “the flesh of Christ,” “the blood of Christ,” why not a ritual of cannibalism and vampirism? ... Offensive? If you want, atheism is also a faith, you cannot respect yourself, your faith, without respecting the faith of others, mocking what is dear to many. I do not idealize Lenin, like many other personalities, including Vladimir Vladimirovich, but we must try to separate the wheat from the chaff. The French killed quite a few nobles during their Great Bourgeois Revolution, but do not sprinkle ashes on their heads, Bastille Day is a national holiday. "Democratic" USA began with separatism, Indian genocide, slave trade, how many were killed? Finally, the Crusades themselves, blessed by the Vatican, shed rivers of blood, like the Jihads in the name of faith ... Lenin's ideas are incomparably more humane. Socialism gave Russia the opportunity to become a superpower, and, most importantly, gave civilization a multipolar world, balance, hope for a better world. There will be no "multipolar world" as long as Russia depends on the dollar and is in a foreign system, imprisoned under the Anglo-Saxons, is in an alien pole of power, where the leader and master of world capitalism has long been determined, this is the United States and England, the whole gang of transnational monopolies that survived from the mind of ghouls like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. The communists, paradoxically, denying God, were much closer to the commandments of Christ than the snickering bourgeois who long ago turned their world into a continuous Sodom and Gomorrah.
          3. BLOND
            BLOND 28 January 2016 10: 27
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Tjeck
            But we didn’t put it there, it wasn’t for us to clean it.

            And to whom? The one who sent him there has already died. And since it’s us, this is rubbish and cleaned.
            Quote: Tjeck
            Although I personally do not care, I have never been to mausoleums.

            But this is good. +
            You can’t kick me there. There’s nothing to look at. And people also think so breaking into the Tretyakov Gallery.


            It is impossible so Sanya! With dead people, really

            Although I respect honesty. Our positions sometimes diverge, but for me it’s better to let them say in the forehead - the truth!
  • Xmyp
    Xmyp 28 January 2016 06: 36
    15
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: apro
    Putin said great stupidity about VILenin

    Oh, how the Communists don’t like the truth. Lenin created a fucking Ukraine, which is now shitting on us. Putin gave Leninists a good kick, for which he is a big plus. Another big plus will be when the mummy is disposed of.
    Quote: apro
    A dead lion can be kicked and a donkey.

    That Lenin was a lion laughing
    Chet look at him and see some kind of moth lol

    Who about what, and lousy about the bath. Just as dill likes to immediately embed Russia, so you immediately dragged Ukraine.
    And what is the truth? The fact that this leader gave a backlog to the further existence of the USSR, to its victories and achievements.

    How do our liberals like to blacken the USSR, while boasting achievements of the same period. They themselves can’t do anything, well, unless they only collect a tugboat instead of a destroyer, well, they can take loot abroad.
  • evgeny1979
    evgeny1979 28 January 2016 06: 40
    -16 qualifying.
    Everything was correctly said by V.V.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 28 January 2016 06: 40
    13
    Putin has been quite bad lately fool everywhere screaming about supporting small business (traders and speculators), and not the workers on whom the whole country rests. Then the Gaidar Forum, the Yeltsin Center, will wrest from names alone. Then Lenin blurted out nonsense. If Putin is still normal in foreign policy, then in the inside, he completely got into something.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 28 January 2016 06: 51
      +3
      Quote: Yak28
      then in the inside, he completely got into something.


      Actually, right: gone dead.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 06: 53
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Yak28
      Putin has been quite bad lately

      Yes, he was good for you and never was. You have anyone who is against your communist ideology, the enemy of Russia. You are the country's past, not the future. Remember this, and write it down better, so as not to forget it.
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 07: 44
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You are the past of the country, not the future. Remember this, and better write it down so that you never forget it.

        Well, you got a little excited! Even judging by the comments on this site. I know many young people (20-30 years old) who adhere to communist ideology. And the rest are not interested in politics at all. Not so simple (s)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 45
          -4
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          I know many young people (20-30 years old) who adhere to communist ideology.

          I visited the LDPR office like that, I was looking for a friend. So I got on the road to drive in such a way that almost every second person in our country supports the LDPR.
          Election is your indicator. How many percent are there?
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 13: 51
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Election is your indicator. How many percent are there?

            And what is your indicator when you say "WE will not repeat"? Ie, I understand correctly, your sample is representative, but I do not? As for the elections. Many simply don’t vote for the Communist Party, because they consider it a liberal communist party. By the way, let's see in the fall how much your food will draw for yourself this time. I have never met a single person in my life who would vote for the EP. How is that? Or am I just unlucky?
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 08: 06
        +6
        communist ideology
        Is Putin's liberal better? he partners with amerikosy, a great friend with powder and no need to look for evidence, Putin does not hide that he is a liberal.
        1. Boos
          Boos 28 January 2016 12: 10
          +1
          Putin has no ideology. No, even liberal, which in the sense should not oppress anyone. He is in the position of a tycoon, around whom lackeys devoted to Putin ... Feudalism is shorter. This is for Alexander Romanov, I expressed my opinion.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 43
            -5
            Quote: Boos
            This is for Alexander Romanov, I expressed my opinion.

            I know your communist opinion. You can write as much as you want, but the reality is that people will never go after you. You even here on the forum cannot offer people something that could take you seriously.
            You have only Lenin, Stalin, Lenin, Stalin. This is all that you can offer people. Sadly, but a fact.
      3. heal
        heal 28 January 2016 09: 14
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You are the past of the country, not the future.

        Are you the future?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 41
          -4
          Quote: heal
          Are you the future?

          Well, not you de. Your future is to write on the forums, and in the country you are not Bolsheviks.
        2. Boos
          Boos 28 January 2016 13: 49
          -3
          They the year before, slide down to the King-Peas ...)
  • 24rus
    24rus 28 January 2016 06: 46
    12
    Well, will we continue to build capitalism? Where the main thing is profit, loot. If you are not entrepreneurial, then the weak link.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 07: 04
      -7
      Quote: 24rus
      If you are not entrepreneurial, then the weak link.

      True, I didn’t notice. People live and work, have their own future. And only five percent, they dream of the past. Others dream of the future.
      1. 24rus
        24rus 28 January 2016 07: 12
        +7
        there is no future without the past
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 28 January 2016 07: 48
          +4
          Quote: 24rus
          there is no future without the past


          Only living in the past is dangerous. I do not remember who said: "remember the past, live in the present, look to the future."
          1. heal
            heal 28 January 2016 09: 18
            +4
            Quote: B.T.W.
            Living in the past is dangerous.

            Watching someone dangerous. It is dangerous to those who trample in the mud all the achievements of the past, such as, for example, the Romanovs on this site.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 40
          -4
          Quote: 24rus
          there is no future without the past

          Lenin is a mistake of the past, which we will not repeat.
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 28 January 2016 13: 49
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            it is a mistake of the past that we will not repeat.

            Here you have a red tie and a hand to the cap. So it will be more pathos
          2. MrK
            MrK 28 January 2016 23: 52
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Lenin is a mistake of the past, which we will not repeat.

            Yes, who will ask you. Who is Lenin and who are you. It's not even funny The time will come, and people like you - shifters, will run with party tickets of the Communist Party. And hiccup with happiness.
      2. heal
        heal 28 January 2016 09: 17
        +1
        Said a person who occupies a certain position and who has not honed anything in life, who has not built, who has not designed, who has not grown, who has not obtained (not personally for himself, but in general, for the country, for the people).
  • Glot
    Glot 28 January 2016 06: 48
    +6
    As a result, it turned out that everyone heard from Putin what they wanted to hear (at least those who are inclined to listen to the president’s statements). Some heard “left”, others - “liberal”, others - “openly communist”, fourth - “anti-Soviet”, fifth - “Stalin”.


    He tried to feed both the wolves and the sheep whole. As they say. This is necessary, it is necessary to be right for everyone. laughing
    1. heal
      heal 28 January 2016 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Glot
      As they say. This is necessary, it is necessary to be right for everyone.

      That is, neither this nor that.
      1. Glot
        Glot 28 January 2016 10: 00
        +1
        That is, neither this nor that.


        That is, trying to maneuver in the stream. And what really he thinks about everything, in general about everything - we will not know.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 28 January 2016 06: 49
    +8
    Kick the dead, who can no longer answer in our country love. And in China, the body of Mao Zedong lies quietly in the tomb on Tiananmen Square and there are no heated discussions about the removal. That's who who, and he was definitely not a liberal. The point is not what kind of "atomic bombs" he planted (he had a lot of jambs), but what China is like as a power.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 07: 07
      -5
      Quote: bandabas
      They love to kick the dead, who can no longer answer in our country.

      What do you not remember about this when Boris Yeltsin is kicked? The same **** as Lenin.
      Quote: bandabas
      And in China, the body of Mao Zedong is calmly lying in the tomb on Tiananmen Square and there are no heated discussions about the removal.

      There is communism based on capitalism. The truth is that grandmothers do not teach pensions at all, but the rest is kaif. (Probably)
      Quote: bandabas
      The point is not what "atomic bombs" he was planting (he had a lot of jambs), but what China is like as a power.

      And what does she represent, a Swiss factory on one side and a photocopier on the other.
      1. heal
        heal 28 January 2016 09: 19
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what does she represent, a Swiss factory on one side and a photocopier on the other.

        But the Russian Federation generally an oil pipeline and a gas pipeline.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 37
          -8
          Quote: heal
          But the Russian Federation generally an oil pipeline and a gas pipeline.

          So bring down from Russia, the hell you live here then. Russia is my country and you will never again be big in it.
          Come on to America or Ukraine. On the way road.
          1. bandabas
            bandabas 28 January 2016 14: 05
            +2
            Clear. Only liberal-moderasts will remain. How are you. So blame yourself on your historical homeland on the Mediterranean Sea. A way to indicate, like "Russia is my country"? I will indicate. Near Syria to the southwest. And you will be happy. And Russia. But without you.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 28 January 2016 07: 09
      -1
      Quote: bandabas
      in China, Mao Zedong's body lies quietly. The essence is not what "atomic bombs" he planted (he had a lot of jambs), but what China is like as a power.

      Travel there, look around. The body of course lies calmly, it has nothing to worry about. In the mornings, old people do collective gymnastics, right on the street, in dusty or smoky air. And the smell in the cities ... whoever trains will understand what it is about.
      The body lies calmly, but I have never found it to stare at China for free, to look at China.
  • Fagelov
    Fagelov 28 January 2016 06: 57
    -3
    Of course, V.I. Lenin is the greatest politician. However, the statement of V.V. Putin does not encroach on this greatness. Vladimir Vladimirovich clearly outlined his political platform and vision of Russia as a single and indivisible state, with a strong government. He is not a supporter of ideas that can lead the country to decentralization, anarchy and disintegration. Leni is not a sacred cow, which can only be touched with respect and lick. Lenin is a reason for serious thoughts about our future fate. This is what Putin wanted to say.
    1. voronbel53
      voronbel53 28 January 2016 15: 56
      +4
      Quote: Fagelov
      Lenin is a reason for serious thoughts about our future fate. This is what Putin wanted to say.

      We are already beginning to teach everyone how to understand Putin's words. And, in my opinion, he made it clear how to relate to the legacy of Lenin and chose the day for a reason. It turns out that Lenin planted a bomb under the USSR, only he measured a very long fuse, they detonated this bomb only 25 years later and it was no longer his supporters who detonated it, but the EBN and his comrades, from which Putin took power. Under Lenin, the country's natural resources were nationalized; under Putin, they continue to squander and plunder these resources. Lenin was in power for only 4 years, and so many jambs were hung on him. It really turns out: - "Lenin is more alive than all the living!", There is someone to push both their own and other people's sins. I am not a supporter of the communists, especially the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but rather a supporter of Putin. Although in the light of many things happening in domestic politics, my trust in Putin is falling, and after making unfounded claims, the attitude towards Lenin's activities did not improve. As they say, in someone else's eye he saw a grain of sand, but he does not observe a log in himself ...
  • Yak28
    Yak28 28 January 2016 06: 57
    19
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And then the crowds rushed to McDonald's and demolished the USSR. This was done by the people and probably not from the good of life.

    Alexander, the collapse of the USSR is a well-planned action (and not by the states) that began long before the year 91, at first they drove people into the head, slowly it was not intrusive that abroad it’s better not to stick, so that people would support a change of power was opposed to the leadership of his country. A shortage of food was artificially created, trucks transported bread and sausage to landfills. The most powerful propaganda about chic life in the west also did not stop, in the military units there was work with KOM personnel, bribes of special services or were intimidated. As a result, everything was betrayed by the country, from the army whose soldiers took the oath of the USSR and ending with the usual fooled people.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 07: 07
      -3
      Quote: Yak28

      Alexander, the collapse of the USSR is a well-planned action

      Like the collapse of the Russian Empire, in which Lenin was directly involved.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 28 January 2016 09: 45
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Like the collapse of the Russian Empire, in which Lenin was directly involved.

        Lenin (his proper name, spelled with a capital letter), of course, took part in the destruction of the social system existing in the Russian Empire by promoting his ideas and theories, but strangely enough, he learned about the collapse from Swiss newspapers. participation was expressed only in scribbling and chatter on political topics - how it will be later, apostle, how. , Europe and other trump, from their point of view, parts of the world. Some demanded the emperor's abdication, others (V.K.) shyly turned away like “but we have nothing to do with it.” As a result, we have what we have.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 January 2016 13: 39
          -5
          Quote: Captain45
          V.I. Lenin (proper name, capitalized)

          LENIN. What would I write the surname of Judas with a capital letter? “Please, I have not yet stooped to such a thing.”
          Quote: Captain45
          of course he accepted propaganda of his ideas and theories,

          For the German loot
          1. iouris
            iouris 30 January 2016 15: 35
            +1
            The Lenin Museum in Moscow displays what Lenin bought for "German loot". You will be surprised if you read.
  • asiat_61
    asiat_61 28 January 2016 06: 59
    -9
    In my opinion, a constitutional reform is being prepared gradually. Considering that Putin never blundered anything for nothing.
    1. dzeredzavkomimu
      dzeredzavkomimu 28 January 2016 10: 46
      +8
      huh? here's a snap about Chubais, after all, he did a lot of good, about Serdyukov, he is a good manager. And one of his skills is .. the answer is about nothing .. that’s just what
  • Tigrus
    Tigrus 28 January 2016 07: 08
    0
    Putin said that he knows better than we do, I don’t think that he wanted to criticize Lenin somehow, everyone wants to hear something from him, especially journalists and politicians. He has a lot of classified documents, so he won’t be scattered with words without foundation!
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 28 January 2016 07: 09
    +4
    Yes, the elections are just soon, again, the centenary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, so a preventive brainwashing action is nothing surprising, this is the initial impression of "oh, what a bastard he is," and comparing the events, you understand that he is just a politician, nothing more, no new ideas, except for pipeline
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 28 January 2016 07: 11
    10
    Soviet power was able to spread over such a vast territory, there was no modern connection, the transport was different than now. The Soviet government defeated the intervention and this cannot be crossed out
  • 25ru
    25ru 28 January 2016 07: 16
    16
    Alexander Romanov!
    Sorry, but oversleep. You already poisoned everything. With you - how about a wall of peas!
    You Putin is an untouchable deity. Your right to think so, but everyone probably has their own head behind them. Do not aggressively impose your point of view in the discussion.
    Sincerely.
    1. heal
      heal 28 January 2016 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: 25ru
      You Putin is an untouchable deity.

      So in his place and with his salary the only way it should be.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 28 January 2016 07: 19
    +5
    Putin realized that he was stupid and said "I, like millions of Soviet citizens, was a member of the CPSU. And not just a member of the Communist Party, but also worked in the KGB organization. This organization is the successor of the Cheka, which was also called the armed detachment of the party. Let me remind you that in Soviet times, a person who was kicked out of the party was fired from the KGB. To be honest, I was not a formal party member, nor was I an ideological communist (unlike many functionaries, I was an ordinary party member), but I treated this very carefully. And I did not throw away my party card , did not burn it, it still lies at home, "the president shared." I still like and liked the ideas of communist and socialist. If we look at the "Code of the builders of communism" - it is very similar to the Bible. Ideas are very good - equality, brotherhood, happiness. But practical implementation is far from what the socialists-utoppists have set forth. Agree, it was not the "City of the Sun", - stated Putin.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 28 January 2016 19: 50
      -1
      Putin said that there were both good and bad. If you look at what they write in the discussion, then when they say that Lenin did not "plant the bombs", they begin to recall, for example, education. But how does one relate to the other? No way - the fact that there were a lot of good things in the USSR does not change the fact that not everything was as it should have been, and the same Bolsheviks were by no means the angels that they were portrayed in official propaganda ..
  • Wildfox
    Wildfox 28 January 2016 07: 19
    10
    Interestingly, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin praised Lenin !!! But no one on the forum looked for the original source, and the criticism and the "time bomb" referred only to the "free exit of the republics from the USSR." In this case, he is so wrong?
  • ovod84
    ovod84 28 January 2016 07: 34
    +6
    He did not say anything bad about Lenin, but said that he had made a mistake in creating the USSR by rejecting the option of Stalin’s autonomy. It turned out how the traitors gathered in the Chart Grove and legally dispersed, creating new states.
  • Ilya77
    Ilya77 28 January 2016 07: 43
    +5
    In hindsight, everyone is strong, easy to criticize 100 years later, Lenin gave impetus to the emergence of a powerful state, which 30 years after the death of Lenin was the second economy of the world, one of two superpowers. What we have 30 years after the start of perestroika - everyone sees.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 28 January 2016 08: 20
    +6
    This is the Yeltsin Center
    1. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 28 January 2016 08: 46
      15
      I will be in Sverdlovsk I will come to the monument and defiantly PLYUN.
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 28 January 2016 11: 36
        +2
        I will be in Sverdlovsk I will come to the monument and defiantly PLYUN.
        -----------------------------------------------------------
        They grab for unauthorized will: =)
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 January 2016 23: 47
        +2
        The main thing is that the building is new, and there, if necessary, you can open any center instead of the old one.
    2. heal
      heal 28 January 2016 09: 21
      +5
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      This is the Yeltsin Center

      How many parasites are there.
      1. Tilkus75
        Tilkus75 28 January 2016 09: 56
        +7
        He had to be judged as an enemy of the people, and centers were erected for him. I wonder what money? Taxpayers or the State Department? The ugly duplicity of our time ....
        1. kirgudu
          kirgudu 28 January 2016 13: 55
          0
          This is all built on state money. Hello to Putin and Medvedev.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 28 January 2016 08: 25
    +2
    History moves along a spiral path of development. The communist idea is alive and it will be reborn on a higher level. Like later, after that there will be forces that will sharpen it and tax it with different fables. Such is life and nothing eternal happens. Even in astronomical terms. It's just that the scales are different.
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  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 January 2016 08: 26
    11
    As for Lenin, I remember Putin praised that he did not criticize Yeltsin, because this is a bad tradition. But the current president in every speech, at least stealthily kicks the Soviet regime. Criticizing the past is generally a bad habit. what was then passed.
    And that today medicine is trampled underfoot, and a new trend is Asian "friends" in hospitals and clinics. Stagnation and stun formation. Only those industries are growing in the economy from which one can push something abroad. And the propaganda just went berserk, tell me honestly, except that we have an enemy of the State Department, Ukrainians and Turks, is anything being done for the Russians? Just don't talk about the 90s, when Putin came, it was profitable for him to talk about the dashing 90s, now having built the Yeltsin mausoleum. more and more people talk about democratic and free 90s.
    All Putin’s achievements are expensive oil. Should oil fall even lower and the 90s will come again, then what would Putin say?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 January 2016 08: 32
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      having built the Yeltsin mausoleum.

      In granite :-)
    2. Tjeck
      Tjeck 28 January 2016 12: 09
      +3
      To be frank, the support of Putin before the US intervention was about 50-50. It's just that Western colleagues are not in the house that we have an instinctive reaction `` they are beating us '', and there was a lot of shit, that Putin turned into such a deity. Now, however, geopolitical events have ceased to gain momentum and the people are beginning to think about the vital. But this is so, just a version of the Belarusian man in the street smile
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 January 2016 13: 24
        -1
        It's just that Western colleagues are not in the house that we have an instinctive reaction. ''
        Or maybe the Kremlin played this show to distract people from pressing problems?
        1. Tjeck
          Tjeck 28 January 2016 13: 52
          +2
          Everything is possible, but it’s painfully cool mnogohodovka obtained. In this situation, it turns out that the Kremlin and Washington together hit Ukraine, and for one and the Middle East in order to raise Putin’s rating wassat Most likely coincidence. Well, of course PR specialists skillfully use the moment, take, say, Sunday evening or the right to vote, there has already been more than a year more than one issue about internal problems. I’m certainly not Russian, but for example I am more concerned about my problems than what is happening in Ukraine, and about 80% of the political content about Ukrainians by box.
  • 31rus
    31rus 28 January 2016 08: 28
    +8
    Dear, I was not a communist, but how can I serve ideas, the state for half my life and then say all this is a bluff !!! I don’t believe Putin., Because I myself was brought to power by the hand, because I myself haven’t led the country yet, there’s still a lot of talk about the burial of Lenin’s body, from here the wind blows, and in fact another PR
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 28 January 2016 08: 36
    +8
    At that time, it was the national liberation movements in tsarist Russia that were the stronghold of the Bolsheviks. The national question was one of the cornerstones of the revolution. In my opinion, the creation of union republics then was the right decision. And then it was necessary to come gradually to the edges and regions. The followers of Lenin turned out to be worthless, with the exception of Stalin.
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  • Captain45
    Captain45 28 January 2016 08: 43
    +2
    As a result, it turned out that everyone heard from Putin what they wanted to hear (at least those who are inclined to listen to the president’s statements). Some heard “left”, others - “liberal”, others - “openly communist”, fourth - “anti-Soviet”, fifth - “Stalin”.
    That is why Putin and the President of the Russian state, because everyone hears in his speeches, what he wants to hear. This is the art of a politician to tell everyone what he wants to hear in one speech, and not each individually.
    Well, imagine, to each party or group, the president says what they want to hear, but he says it to each group separately. And then when everyone comes together, what will happen - the hubbub, screeching and screaming and snot - "well, how so, you told us, you promised !!! AAAA, everything is gone !!! " Generally :
    "Then there was a noise and barking,
    And only the old parrot
    Shouted loudly from the branches
    The giraffe is big, he knows better! "(C) V.S. Vysotsky laughing
  • 31rus
    31rus 28 January 2016 08: 46
    0
    Yes, that’s not clear, the GDP for the monarchy, such a modern, smart guarantor of security both for Europe and for the World, but you just need house order, you need a concept for the development of your country, without this you get empty ambitions, all these cultivations of modern elites, this statement about Lenin is all links in one chain, you can take any emperor, gene sec, president and blame anything at the same time pull the necessary facts from the past
  • Boris55
    Boris55 28 January 2016 08: 47
    +6
    Practice is the criterion of truth.
    But practice has shown that Lenin’s idea of ​​creating independent republics ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR. That's what bomb Putin was talking about and no more. Everything else is your speculation!


    "V. I. Lenin, having familiarized himself with the materials of the commission and having talked with a number of comrades, sent a letter to the members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) on September 26, 1922, in which he criticized Stalin's autonomy plan in principle, put forward and substantiated the idea of ​​forming a union state on the basis of a complete equality of all independent Soviet republics: "... we recognize ourselves as equal with the Ukrainian SSR and others, and together and on an equal footing with them enter a new union, a new federation ..." With this, Lenin reduced the status of a world power to a regional one.

    Today, there is no Lenin, but like then, modern Russia was divided into 24 by independent states, which means that the idea of ​​splitting Russia does not belong to Lenin - he is just its executor as well as Yeltsin who announced it - take sovereignty as much as you can. What awaits Russia at the next mess is not difficult to guess.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 January 2016 08: 55
      +3
      Quote: Boris55
      With this, Lenin reduced the status of a world power to a regional one.

      The status of a power does not depend on its internal structure, but on its development in technological, educational, economic terms, ability to provide the world with something of its own, the USSR was a world power, because it was able to prove in practice the ability to defend its integrity and its ideas
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 28 January 2016 09: 00
        +1
        Quote: sa-ag
        USSR was a world power

        USSR, under the leadership of Stalin, was world power.
        And in the beginning, according to Lenin, we are like everyone else, we are equal.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 28 January 2016 14: 13
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          The USSR, under the leadership of Stalin, became a world power.

          The USSR became a world power when it defeated everyone in the civil war, proposing a sustainable model for the development of society
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 28 January 2016 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      But practice has shown that Lenin’s idea of ​​creating independent republics ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR. That's what kind of bomb Putin was talking about and nothing more. Everything else is your speculation!

      bingo, and the people got horny
  • maestro123
    maestro123 28 January 2016 08: 54
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Lenin created a freaking Ukraine, which now we are learning. Putin gave Leninists a good kick, for which he is a big plus. Another big plus will be when the mummy is disposed of.


    Why are they demolishing the monuments to Lenin? He is their creator.

    So many years have passed, the USSR is no more. Maybe we’ll better remember some False Dmitry?
  • garnik64
    garnik64 28 January 2016 08: 54
    -10 qualifying.
    I fully support Alexander Romanov. Communists on the site or who? What is needed another Lenin, so that nothing is left of Russia? There is such a pattern, those countries that Lenin created are trying to cleanse or destroy everything that concerns his name. And Russia (which suffered) stubbornly defends its killer. In 1913 it was the leading economy of the world, so the communists checked their achievements this year.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 28 January 2016 09: 04
      +3
      Quote: garnik64
      There is such a pattern, those countries that Lenin created are trying to cleanse or destroy everything that concerns his name. And Russia stubbornly defends its killer.

      This can be seen especially clearly on the example of Ukraine: "They cleanse and destroy" everything somehow, however, the Bandera and their followers. It would be funny, but ...
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 28 January 2016 08: 57
    +2
    "Builder" of capitalism, admiring socialism and communism, you must agree, hypocrisy.
    About the "atomic bomb". The Bolsheviks "collected" the USSR from the fragments of the tsarist empire. Who else could do that? Not Kolchak? It would not hurt to ask the same allies - Kazakhstan, whe