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Expert: Kiev repeats Georgian scenario 2008 in Donbass

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By recalling his servicemen from the Joint Control and Coordination Center (JCCC) working in the DPR, Kiev shows a reluctance to work in the Donbas in a peaceful manner, and, in fact, repeats the Georgian scenario 2008 g, leads RIA News opinion of military expert, associate professor of the department of political science of the University. Plekhanov Alexander Perendzhiev.


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“This is clearly the Georgian script of the year 2008. The very gesture of official Kiev shows that the Ukrainian authorities are not going to work in a peaceful way and openly violate the Minsk agreements. This gesture smells of war, ”said the expert.

He recalled the words of the leader of the DPR, Zakharchenko, who warned of Kiev’s intention to provoke a new conflict.

“Then Zakharchenko said that the Armed Forces of the DPR in response were ready to deliver a decisive blow and free the entire Donetsk People’s Republic,” said Perendzhiev.

He noted that “the Georgian 2008 provocative algorithm of the year is confirmed by the trip of the head of the Odessa regional administration, Mikhail Saakashvili, to the checkpoints of the Ukrainian army in the Donbass”.

“The fact that Saakashvili allegedly“ leaked ”secret information to the Internet is pure provocation. In my opinion, the maps of the situation he photographed with him are no more than misinformation for the DPR and preparation for military actions similar to the attack of the Georgian army under the supreme command of the current Odessa governor on South Ossetia in August 2008 of the year, ”the expert believes.

He is confident that “the recall of the Ukrainian military personnel from the JCCC is the demonstrative actions of the official military-political leadership of Ukraine”.

“The masks are torn off: official Kiev, in view of the deteriorating political and economic situation in Ukraine, seeks to shift the people's attention to the Donbass, rally citizens under the slogan of the“ Russian threat ”. Those who are now in control of Ukraine are ready to provoke a war, ”concluded Perendzhiev.

At the same time, in the Luhansk Republic the list of participants of the JCCC has not changed, the Ukrainian military is still working in the Joint Center.

“The situation with the participants in the JSCC remains unchanged. The composition is currently the same, ”a military source told the agency.

According to reports from the DPR, the ceasefire on the contact line is not respected. APU are shelling the northern outskirts of Donetsk.

“Now comes the shelling of the Volvo-Center, the village of Zhabichevo and the village of Zhabunki. Siloviki used mortars caliber 120 and 82 millimeter. The number of mines increases. Also used BMP and AGS. Over the past 10 minutes in the Volvo-Center area, we have counted more than 40 minutes, preliminarily, millimeters 120 caliber, ”a representative of the Ministry of Defense and Development told yesterday.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 27 January 2016 09: 22
    13
    Lately, for some reason, when I hear the word "expert" - I start to feel sick ...
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 27 January 2016 09: 33
      18
      Yes, not Kiev repeats it, here is 1 director.
      1. Voha_krim
        Voha_krim 27 January 2016 10: 02
        +9
        US and Russia are preparing public opinion for the division of Ukraine

        The details of this process may still be discussed and clarified, but the overall result is already a little predictable.

        http://jpgazeta.ru/ssha-i-rossiya-gotovyat-obshhestvennoe-mnenie-k-razdelu-ukrai
        nyi /
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 27 January 2016 12: 57
          +3
          Quote: Voha_krim
          US and Russia are preparing public opinion for the division of Ukraine

          The details of this process may still be discussed and clarified, but the overall result is already a little predictable.

          http://jpgazeta.ru/ssha-i-rossiya-gotovyat-obshhestvennoe-mnenie-k-razdelu-ukrai

          nyi /

          But I would have painted the center of the Outskirts, together with Kuev red - and there would have been order. And historically, this is also Russian land.
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 27 January 2016 12: 02
        +2
        Quote: GYGOLA
        Yes, not Kiev repeats it, here is 1 director.

        well, and the "adviser" who has already been given on the ears is not in vain rubbing there. revanchist kuev. apparently Sasha has not yet worked out his residence permit
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 27 January 2016 13: 10
        +5
        Quote: GYGOLA
        Yes, not Kiev repeats it, here is 1 director.

        this?

        On the morning of January 27, a poster appeared on the apartment building opposite the US Embassy with the inscription Obama killer No. 1 and a portrait of the American president. The banner was hung on the house number 18 on Novinsky Boulevard, according to listeners of the "Russian News Service."

        Judging by the photos, the action was held by the Glavplakat art community.
      4. Lukich
        Lukich 27 January 2016 13: 11
        +4
        Quote: GYGOLA
        Yes, not Kiev repeats it, here is 1 director.

        On the night of January 27, a similar inscription appeared on the embassy itself. Unknowns projected her onto the building of the American diplomatic mission with a green laser.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 27 January 2016 09: 34
      29
      essentially repeating the Georgian scenario of 2008,

      How it ended, everyone remembers perfectly, including Stsukoshvilin.
      1. Kirill750
        Kirill750 27 January 2016 10: 02
        +4
        the monster introduced a new tax 200 weekly cowards require homeless people
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 27 January 2016 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: Cyril750
          the monster introduced a new tax 200 weekly cowards require homeless people

          Yes, he seems to want to take a tax from prostitutes ... I wonder what ...
    3. BOB044
      BOB044 27 January 2016 10: 04
      +1
      Lately, for some reason, when I hear the word "expert" - I start to feel sick ...
      This is your defensive reaction. From those who are smarter. hi
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 27 January 2016 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: BOB044
        This is your defensive reaction. From those who are smarter.

        maybe experts are already of the wrong qualifications?
    4. hartlend
      hartlend 27 January 2016 17: 23
      0
      I started much earlier. Now this is an abusive word. Like in the 90s manager.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 January 2016 09: 28
    10
    This is clearly the Georgian script of 2008

    So Georgians of the 2008 format are enough in Ukraine. And the Georgians were taught and guided by the Americans. Obviously, the result will be similar.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 27 January 2016 10: 50
      +2
      Do not confuse cases. The Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine will be in every way larger, the personnel are qualitatively different, they have been preparing for the 2nd year ...
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 27 January 2016 11: 19
        +2
        You probably forgot how many years American instructors trained Georgians and how much money they swelled into service. Therefore, the tie-eater also blew the roof. He thought (by the way, like Poroshenko) that his army was the best not only in Europe, but also in the world.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 27 January 2016 12: 12
          +4
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Therefore, the tie-eater also blew the roof. He thought (by the way, like Poroshenko) that his army was the best not only in Europe, but also in the world.

          and he was sure that NATO would rush headlong to defend it. bummer out
          1. bort4145
            bort4145 27 January 2016 14: 42
            +1
            Therefore, the tie-eater also blew the roof.
            NATO will rush headlong to defend it.

            According to 1 - without USA permission, Mishiko would not have attacked the toilet cubicle.
            According to 2, it’s just that NATO (Pin-got) did not expect the Russian Federation to react quickly and harshly (in Crimea, however, it turned out even better).
            Oh, the Pentagoners underestimate GDP.
  3. prabiz
    prabiz 27 January 2016 09: 30
    +5
    So they will rake as 2008, but only in this case no one will stop and get to Kiev!
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 27 January 2016 09: 42
      +2
      winked How many have heard ... Were they reached Mariupol and ...? In order to reach it, it is necessary that someone needs it in the "lyte". And then they think how to stuff the paste back into the tube. Yes, and to all of us, to be honest, the prospect of a campaign against Kuev is unclear. What will it give? And whose children will receive the posthumous medal "For the capture of the kuev"?
      1. naGua
        naGua 27 January 2016 10: 04
        +7
        Comrades, dear ones, these slogans "Let's catch up and overtake", "Give us Kiev", of course, sound very nice, but they are not worth a damn (Yatsenyuk remembered something). In the current political environment, this is impossible. And what can I say, any war is easy to start, but oh, how difficult it is to end.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 27 January 2016 12: 19
          +4
          Quote: naGua
          In the current political environment, this is not possible. And what can I say, any war is easy to start, but oh, how difficult it is to end.

          Yes, not everyone there will be glad to see us. and do we need a guerrilla war in the rear? it seemed clear to the Donbass, but what was going on there now. the distribution of power does not stop, they kill the commanders. they sell drugs and drugs. I didn’t come up, everything was in VO. help is needed, who argues, but the troops enter and start fighting ... sideways can do ...
      2. Forest
        Forest 27 January 2016 11: 34
        +4
        And who is there to fight? The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a numerical advantage everywhere, in such conditions the offensive is suicide. Mariupol has never been taken by anyone. A pair of platoons against several battalions with armored vehicles are not an obstacle for the latter at all.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 January 2016 10: 49
      +1
      In 2008, an attack on a peacekeeping base served as a pretext for a military operation. In the Donbass, there are no our peacekeepers, alas.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 27 January 2016 11: 12
        0
        And why the heck do we Kiev? A strip along the Black Sea coast from LDNR to Transnistria. What’s superfluous, why?
  4. narval20
    narval20 27 January 2016 09: 32
    +5
    ONE of them is the Boss. The same song. ... and the result will be the same am
  5. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 27 January 2016 09: 32
    +3
    Again, someone will chew a tie :)
    1. jan
      jan 27 January 2016 09: 47
      +4
      now socks)))
    2. zgd_se_1955
      zgd_se_1955 27 January 2016 09: 49
      +3
      I retired, I have about 150 ties in the nest ... I can share .. with lovers to chew them ...
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. SveTok
      SveTok 27 January 2016 10: 56
      0
      Cube him in the place of a tie and let him do what he wants.
  6. zgd_se_1955
    zgd_se_1955 27 January 2016 09: 35
    10
    DNR! Give them such a "response" so that they run all the way to Kiev without looking back ..
    If you need help ... just whisper ... Tankers don’t give up, though I’m 60, but there’s enough gunpowder for everyone !!!
  7. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 27 January 2016 09: 35
    +1
    Kiev repeats Georgian scenario of 2008 in Donbass
    And I like it, so soon they will pull to Lviv!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 27 January 2016 12: 29
      -1
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      And I like it, so soon they will pull to Lviv!

      Now, if it starts, it is unlikely that Merkel and Oland will rush to save the Poroshenko regime - they have enough of their hemorrhoids. They will drive this "goat army" to Kiev and maybe a little "for".
      The topic of entering peacekeepers has been exaggerated for a long time, but so far there is no reason. And now it seems he appears ...
      It seems that under this case, a Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic brigade with a center in Poland was recently formed to use it on the demarcation line.
      Taking into account the "territorial" interests of the bordering countries, Romania and Hungary can be attached to the peacekeeping mission.
      After that, the process of stopping the offensive of the militia and defining the "borders of the new Ukraine" will be initiated, when Hungary, Romania and Poland will take the "disputed" areas into their zone of "peacekeeping" responsibility, and in fact, will return their control over the territories lost as a result of the Second World War. war. Somehow it seems so ...
      So they will not be allowed into Lviv. Lviv-Polish city))))
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 27 January 2016 13: 34
        +2
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        The topic of entering peacekeepers has been exaggerated for a long time, but so far there is no reason. And now it seems he appears ...
        It seems that under this case, a Ukrainian-Polish-Baltic brigade with a center in Poland was recently formed to use it on the demarcation line.
        Taking into account the "territorial" interests of the bordering countries, Romania and Hungary can be attached to the peacekeeping mission.
        After that, the process of stopping the offensive of the militia and defining the "borders of the new Ukraine" will be initiated, when Hungary, Romania and Poland will take the "disputed" areas into their zone of "peacekeeping" responsibility, and in fact, will return their control over the territories lost as a result of the Second World War. war. Somehow it seems so ...

        I'm sorry, but the introduction of peacekeepers is possible only with the consent of the UN Security Council. do you think Russia will give such consent? otherwise they will not be peacekeepers but the troops of another state and they will not have any rights as peacekeepers
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 27 January 2016 17: 58
          0
          Quote: Lukich
          I'm sorry, but the introduction of peacekeepers is possible only with the consent of the UN Security Council. do you think Russia will give such consent? otherwise they will not be peacekeepers but the troops of another state and they will not have any rights as peacekeepers

          When the mattresses piled up and destroyed Serbia, they did not bother the UN much and the "interested" forces brought in Keifor forces according to their plan, tearing Kosovo away from Serbia. No referendums, no votes in the UN Security Council - nothing. They simply cut off Serbian territory and recognized an independent Kosovo.
          In Ukraine, the topic of peacekeepers is primarily aired by Kiev, and the Kiev "junta" is recognized by the "interested" parties as legitimate, and therefore, in the event of an official appeal from the "junta", these "interested" are habitually pushed aside by the UN, as it was no longer times lately. What about Libya, what about Syria, the UN turned out to be an extra.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 27 January 2016 21: 21
            +2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            When the mattresses piled up and destroyed Serbia, they did not strain the UN much and the "interested" forces brought in Keifor forces according to their plan

            absolutely right. but then we actually were silent. and here we have a keen interest and this number and sash will not pass
  8. olegfbi
    olegfbi 27 January 2016 09: 37
    +1
    Well, when are these ghouls, called the leadership of Ukraine, shoot or sent to Kolyma !!! ???
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 27 January 2016 09: 46
      +3
      There is no Kolyma in the square. This is a definite plus for them. Well, if they spoil the big masters from behind a puddle - maybe the Hague (like unscientific fiction, they usually judge the opposite). And here, to be honest, have all the needy been sent there? I am silent about echoes, rains, Chubais-grefs ... Well, at least Vasiliev, huh? Well, what should you do? ... Silent power ... Does not give an answer ©
  9. Andrey_Antonov
    Andrey_Antonov 27 January 2016 09: 40
    +1
    Smart learns from other people's mistakes, fools - dance on a rake
  10. Lelek
    Lelek 27 January 2016 09: 47
    -1
    (By recalling its servicemen from the Joint Center for Control and Coordination (JCCC) working in the DPR, Kiev shows a reluctance to work in the Donbass in a peaceful manner.)

    Well, that was clear from the start. This behavior of Kiev is agreed and approved by the Washington Regional Committee (the creed of the Anglo-Saxons in action). The only question is when will the Armed Forces of Ukraine move to active action (either when the commander-in-chief sobers up, or when the weather gets warmer, or after the next visit of Biden or Nuland to a colony called former Ukraine). hi
  11. Vega
    Vega 27 January 2016 09: 49
    +1
    Again, the "director" steps on the old rake, and the "EXPERTS" push by adding fuel to the fire.
  12. nord62
    nord62 27 January 2016 09: 52
    0
    And what? Someone thought that there would be a different scenario?
    Quote: prabiz
    So they will rake as 2008, but only in this case no one will stop and get to Kiev!

    Only Russia is not officially to get involved in this badyaga - let the thugs rip apart each other's throats. And they will tear - after all, power and unlimited possibilities of STEALING are at stake. This is a great dill nation!
  13. mpzss
    mpzss 27 January 2016 09: 55
    +1
    if you want peace - get ready for war!
  14. V.ic
    V.ic 27 January 2016 09: 55
    +1
    Starinov is not on their communication!
  15. Scud
    Scud 27 January 2016 09: 58
    +3
    About half of Ukropia is affected by Bendery insanity. I'm not sure that even psychologists will be able to explain this pathology to fascist schizophrenia.
  16. valent45
    valent45 27 January 2016 10: 02
    +3
    This sluggish scenario is beneficial to the United States, and they are unlikely to give a command in the near future
    khokhlam "fas".
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 27 January 2016 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: valent45
      the scenario is beneficial to the United States, and they are unlikely to give a command in the near future
      khokhlam "fas".


      In connection with the internal situation in the colony called Ukraine (click), in February, active actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are unlikely, and in the future we’ll see.
  17. serkhan
    serkhan 27 January 2016 10: 11
    +1
    Quote: prabiz
    and get to Kiev!


    no need to go to war. As in the proverb "... and 40 shepherds will not be able to water one horse," so here, too, you don't need to hold and beat your prodigal brother for wanting to leave. Let him go. When he returns, then there will be a cleansing both in Lviv and in Kiev.
    And the fact that Sukashvili is running around the checkpoints is that poor Poroshenko is trying with all his might to cause an erection in himself, so he’s already turning this c ** in front of him. Of course I want to, but he doesn’t get up for war anymore.
  18. guznorodov
    guznorodov 27 January 2016 10: 14
    0
    the Ukrainian government understands that time is not in its favor, so they want to freeze the conflict so that others can figure it out, the new president and the cabinet. ministers.
  19. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 27 January 2016 10: 41
    0
    The essence of fascism is mandatory war of aggression. There is no other fascism. Instead of true Aryans and "under-cattle of the Slavs"- true kondovye uk-ry and"under-cattle Russian"."Glorious"there are traditions - UPA. The question is, what is the puppeteer currently thinking?
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 27 January 2016 10: 58
    -1
    There is no need to be an expert to conclude - there will be a war.
    Since the puppies and rabbits and alcoholics cannot start the war themselves, they will wait for the go-ahead. This is the most interesting place. When will the USA want to aggravate relations with Russia?
    When they begin to divide Syria, or when Europe leaves the format of the Minsk agreements under the weight of its problems, it is possible to exacerbate problems in the world economy to distract. Americans tend to approach the problem comprehensively, so in the near future we will witness a huge number of events.
  21. Valdis
    Valdis 27 January 2016 11: 05
    0
    Through AVITO sell cruise missiles to the Armed Forces of the DPR))))
  22. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 27 January 2016 11: 10
    +2
    I don’t think that the Ukrainian troops, drawn up in such numbers, were gathered in order to simply eat barbecue in nature and absorb the vodka.
    Troops in such numbers even do not directly participate in hostilities burn huge amounts of money. Moreover, every day.
    Well, Kiev can’t keep them idle there. This means that the provocation will be without fail.
    Can anyone tell me how things are with ammunition in Kiev?
    Are they currently producing shells and ammunition?
    After all, the war devours them in large numbers.
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 January 2016 11: 15
    0
    Oh well, it's time to finish this booth as much as possible. Drive to the very border, then mandatory denazification and de-enderologization for 10-15 years, and begin to live like people, with fat, with a burner.
  24. Irinaspb
    Irinaspb 27 January 2016 11: 24
    +1
    The Kiev-controlled military did not leave the Joint Center for the Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire (JCCC) in the Donbass, they "continue to operate normally," said the representative of the presidential administration of Ukraine on military operations, Andrey Lysenko
  25. O. Bender
    O. Bender 27 January 2016 11: 25
    0
    The map was pleased. In principle, it’s the most correct to divide U into parts approximately like on a map without noise and dust. Only who will decide. But such a thing takes time. Go to the UN General Assembly with a proposal that is impudent and impudent about the division of territories into separate federations and the division into spheres of influence, of course, the noise will also stink, but at least we’ll shake all this mold. It’s not for nothing that Baida voiced an opinion (whose) on federalization in U. Can they feel Russia's position too? Can Russia change its image from white fluffy to bold and ambitious as we are and consider Yes, Russia is an empire, Which was in the history of civilization
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 27 January 2016 13: 42
      0
      Quote: O. Bender
      Only who will decide


      Oddly enough, but the time of the collapse of the Union, Ukraine did not say a word about its borders internationally. Thus, as the successor to the Soviet Union, only Russia can decide on the territory of Ukraine, since Ukraine was part of the Union. Like this.
  26. Irinaspb
    Irinaspb 27 January 2016 11: 38
    0
    Evgeny Yerofeyev and Aleksandr Aleksandrov, Russian special forces, can be transferred to Russia to serve their sentence, which will be established by a Ukrainian court ...
    Interesting relationship of the aggressor with the country he is accruing ....
    For 2 years of the heroic battle of Ukraine against Russia, 2 obscure people were captured (steel 199998 is still being interrogated) who are sent home. Glorious was the battle. No one has any suspicions. It’s the same as after 2 years of war in Moscow, 2 Fritz were held .... It’s good when the electorate.
  27. DMM2006
    DMM2006 27 January 2016 11: 48
    0
    So Georgians of the 2008 format are enough in Ukraine. And the Georgians were taught and guided by the Americans. Obviously, the result will be similar.
    I absolutely agree with my colleague. The scriptwriters from the CIA do not bother using the script, which, apparently, was prescribed for them by the Institute of Eastern Europe and Russia in the years preceding the collapse of the USSR.
    And if earlier it worked perfectly for them (to take at least a series of European velvet revolutions in the former socialist camp), then now, having directly encountered our interests, which we are ready to uphold, the scythe most likely found on a stone.
    And pi..dos apparently do not allow to change the strategy, fortunately for us, pride and the notorious economy of the military budget. Well, as they say: God be with them! I like to receive by the money, get it, we do not mind how much, come again, we will write it out.

    PS: Although I want to honestly admit not to defend myself against these attacks in the style of "six mosecs per elephant", but to cut from the heart. For the sake of this I am ready even tomorrow with a gun and a march "drang nah veten" and so that to the English Channel, although it is possible to go to the Hudson (a kind of Red Alert in reality).
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad 27 January 2016 12: 35
    +1
    "repeats the Georgian scenario of 2008"

    Georgia was so proud of its modern army built on American patterns and the vast majority of the population even believed that this army would cope with the Russian.
    The year 2008 came and what Russia did with their army was a shock not only for Saakashvili but for the whole of Georgia.
    Poroshenko was saved in 2014-15 by the fact that the Ukrainian army for the most part consists of Russians, albeit Russians who have scotched and forgotten their roots, and most importantly, that he does not fight with the Russian army.
  29. Stariknv
    Stariknv 27 January 2016 13: 55
    0
    It is not the Ukrainians who want to repeat the Georgian scenario, but their owners, tied to the appropriate locality, and provoke Russia to take retaliatory measures.
  30. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 27 January 2016 14: 03
    0
    Quote: Lukich
    Yes, he seems to want to take a tax from prostitutes ... I wonder what ...

    Than, than, guess three times wink