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Media: Russia and India will reduce the cost of the project to develop a 5-generation fighter

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Today, representatives of Russia and India have agreed to reduce the price for the joint development of the 5 generation fighter by 40%, reports RIA News Post Business Standard edition.


Media: Russia and India will reduce the cost of the project to develop a 5-generation fighter


“In 2008, the estimated project cost was 5,5 billion dollars, which each of the partners should have invested. Taking into account inflation, the price has increased to 6 billions from each side, ”writes the publication.

However, according to the Business Standard, the Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd and the aircraft development company Sukhoi, “managed to reach an agreement to reduce the development price by 40%. Thus, the Indian and Russian sides will invest a billion dollars on 4 over the next seven years. ”

It is noted that "in the first year after signing the contract for development work (R & D), partners will invest a billion dollars in 1, then over the next six years - in 500 million dollars annually."

In India, the draft of the new contract must be approved by the head of the Ministry of Defense. Comment of the management of the company "Sukhoi" RIA "News"Not yet available.

"According to the draft contract on the ROC, the delivery of fifth-generation fighter aircraft to the Indian Air Force should begin 94 a month after the document is signed," the agency notes.
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RIA News. Vadim Zhernov
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  1. Andrey_Antonov
    Andrey_Antonov 25 January 2016 16: 42
    10
    The main thing is that "cost optimization" does not lead to a deterioration in product quality
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 25 January 2016 16: 48
      +4
      Thus, the Indian and Russian sides will invest $ 4 billion over the next seven years. "
      What else to wait for 7 years?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 January 2016 16: 53
        13
        Quote: keel 31
        What else to wait for 7 years?

        "we managed to reach an agreement to reduce the development price by 40%."

        Or skis do not go, or ... belay How is this agreed? If I am building a barn, I assume that it will take, for example, 1000 rubles, but after talking with my wife I decided that 100 would be enough? Either the barn will be without a roof and doors, or I was going to nae my wife .. chop. what
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 25 January 2016 16: 55
          10
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Or the skis do not go, or ... belay How is this agreed? If I am building a barn, I assume that it will take, for example, 1000 rubles, but after talking with my wife I decided that 100 would be enough? Either the barn will be without a roof and doors, or I was going to nae my wife .. chop. what

          The generation of the aircraft will be 5 - 40% smile
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 25 January 2016 17: 16
            +4
            Quote: Fregate
            The generation of the aircraft will be 5 - 40%

            .. absolutely true .. T-50 in the export version, with lowered characteristics .. hi
            1. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel 25 January 2016 18: 03
              +5
              "... understated ..."
              With optimized features. IMHO wink
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 25 January 2016 19: 10
                +2
                Quote: Black Colonel
                "... understated ..."
                With optimized features. IMHO wink

                .. + .. right .. not correctly formulated .. hi
            2. The comment was deleted.
            3. mav1971
              mav1971 25 January 2016 21: 52
              0
              Quote: Inok10
              Quote: Fregate
              The generation of the aircraft will be 5 - 40%

              .. absolutely true .. T-50 in the export version, with lowered characteristics .. hi


              Deteriorating a finished balanced product is very expensive.
              Once something is created specifically for the T-50, it means "the worst" - it will have to be created anew.
              Again AFAR with other characteristics in advance, again avionics, etc.

              As a result, R&D will have to be done twice.
              And it will be very bad in the end.
              The export potential of such a "deteriorated" aircraft is about zero.
              And by that. who believes that this is good - I will say.
              Each Su-35 sold for export allows you to collect one and a half or two Su-35 for yourself relatives.
              We have less and less other money for our defense.
              Therefore, it is necessary to drive new things for export.
              and in everything.
              And the same Ash-trees (if there is a buyer), and the same Almaty.
              In order to clean up the arms market and there was money for the further development of the defense industry.
              One hell in a global conflict - 5% individual superiority of any weapon system. over the adversary - will not play a big role.
              But when selling - will play.
              And give money.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 25 January 2016 17: 03
          +2
          "Either the shed will be without a roof and doors, or I was going to nay my wife .. stab."
          So.
          - Will we develop a gun?
          - and on ... why? I have.
          - And with me.
          - Bubem radar do?
          - and on ... why? I have.
          - And with me.
          Vota she OPTIMIZATION of the cost of the project.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 25 January 2016 17: 41
            +1
            Here is something I also do not understand. Today, India signed a contract for Rafali with Eurokid (France), but negotiations on the price are ongoing ... So what’s it about - either our price tag is higher than for Rafal or Rafal for the same money is better, or out of us the Indians are under the guise of oil squeeze juices ??? (purely in English as bequeathed by teachers - not allies, just interests)
        3. ssergn
          ssergn 25 January 2016 17: 26
          +1
          Or ..... another is not given?
          Or, the parties took into account the value of rubles in relation to other currencies, since most of the work falls on the Russian Federation. Accordingly, in currency, the value decreased. hi
        4. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 25 January 2016 18: 01
          +2
          "Either the shed will be without a roof and doors ..."
          Just a barn will be without a single nail. good
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 25 January 2016 21: 03
            0
            ... Just a shed will be without a single nail.

            on wooden slippers.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 January 2016 20: 15
        +1
        Quote: keel 31
        What else to wait for 7 years?

        As far as I understand, 7 years for the export version of the PAK FA (FGFA). And for our VKS, most likely everything will happen much earlier (Presumably in 18).
    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 25 January 2016 22: 29
      0
      salaries, the cost of equipment (molds, dies, molds) are all almost manual work. Serial equipment is cheaper, components of domestic production in connection with the depreciation of the ruble declined in price. Yes, this is good, we will rivet more and more competitive Amer.
  2. The black
    The black 25 January 2016 16: 42
    +4
    ... Yes, it does not badly echoes the previous article. In my opinion, the Indians arranged a big bargain .... smile
  3. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 25 January 2016 16: 47
    +1
    For the Indians there will be a car to their requirements, which means that the indices in their version made some changes allowing them to reduce the price of the car!
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 25 January 2016 16: 49
      +2
      Yeah, made a change in the price, that's all the changes. In dollars, it will decline, and in rubles it will remain the same.
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 25 January 2016 17: 28
        -1
        Well, at least someone now includes the brain.
  4. sir_obs
    sir_obs 25 January 2016 16: 47
    +4
    The main thing is not to transfer key technologies to them, so that they do not go around us on a lame goat. Whatever we could not do in production. And they are exactly what they are striving for.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 25 January 2016 21: 54
      0
      Quote: sir_obs
      The main thing is not to transfer key technologies to them, so that they do not go around us on a lame goat. Whatever we could not do in production. And they are exactly what they are striving for.


      But explain to me how it is possible to parity, in equal shares, finance and jointly create a fighter and not share production technologies?

      Do you yourself understand what you are writing about?

      Additive.
      Quote: "India is very worried about the cost of cooperation - the country's Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar recently said that India for $ 3,7 billion should receive from Russia a technology package for the FGFA and three fighter units, and noted that it is very expensive, even taking into account the fact that we are talking about such a complex project. "
  5. Const
    Const 25 January 2016 16: 48
    +1
    And why before it was impossible to deal with cost reduction. Something no one says in which part there will be a decline. Will rollbacks be cut off?
    1. mitrich
      mitrich 25 January 2016 21: 05
      +3
      Reduce kickbacks !!!!
      What are you !!! This is holy!
  6. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 25 January 2016 16: 50
    +3
    Hindus like dibs on the market, they will exhaust their souls for a discount of 20 cents.
    1. bannik
      bannik 25 January 2016 17: 04
      +5
      That's for sure! Therefore, even the gypsies fled from them.
  7. Fregate
    Fregate 25 January 2016 16: 51
    0
    94 months, almost 8 years! But the development price of 4 + 4 = 8 billion dollars. Recently it was about the space theme and it was stated there that the development of our new manned spacecraft "Federation" cost 58 billion rubles. Is it easier to develop a CA or what is the price difference? Who knows?
    1. opus
      opus 25 January 2016 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: Fregate
      KA is easier to develop or what is the difference in price? Who knows?

      easier.
      KA flies like a brick ..


      and once

      Yes and radar signature on the drum
      --------------------------------------

      the cost of the Orion program is $ 15 billion

      The total cost of the program to create a new generation of stealth fighter F-35 "Lightning-2" (Lightning II) has reached $ 1,3 trillion. This was announced by the head of the program, Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan ...
  8. polite people
    polite people 25 January 2016 16: 52
    0
    East is a delicate matter.
  9. newcomer
    newcomer 25 January 2016 16: 55
    +4
    over the next eight years, 4 mil. not bad. oh well. This is with regards to the plane for India, that is, the export version. ours will go into series and the 17th commander of the vks said.
  10. Comrade Artem
    Comrade Artem 25 January 2016 17: 04
    +1
    I do not understand one thing. Why, having a prototype of an 5 generation aircraft already undergoing testing and development, is it possible to simultaneously develop another aircraft of the same generation only in collaboration with another country ?????????????
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 25 January 2016 17: 20
      -1
      5th generation airplanes can have various tactical and strategic purposes, and not necessarily it will be a multi-purpose strike complex, and, say, a strategic long-range hypersonic boom boom.
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 25 January 2016 17: 23
        0
        Quote: Gardener91
        5th generation airplanes can have various tactical and strategic purposes, and not necessarily it will be a multi-purpose strike complex, and, say, a strategic long-range hypersonic boom boom.

        Well, the article says exactly
        Russia and India will reduce the cost of the development project 5th generation fighter

        Hindus want a double version, sort of like.
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 25 January 2016 17: 33
          0
          And fighters of the 5th knee can have a different degree of target designation. It’s just that the term fighter takes on a wide meaning, and the double version can also be combat training.
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 25 January 2016 22: 05
      0
      Quote: Comrade Artem
      I do not understand one thing. Why, having a prototype of an 5 generation aircraft already undergoing testing and development, is it possible to simultaneously develop another aircraft of the same generation only in collaboration with another country ?????????????


      Indians need a double plane.
      With a completely different potential.

      If you compare the dates of adoption of the SU-30MKI and its almost 100% analogue Su-30СМ, it may become clear that the Indians want a slightly different plane.
      And this level is even higher than we ourselves.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 January 2016 22: 15
        +1
        Quote: mav1971
        And this level is even higher than we ourselves.

        I don’t think so. A two-seater is heavier. But it’s far from the fact that it will be more maneuverable and faster than our one-seater. Although the distribution of aircraft control to two pilots on the other hand facilitates the work of each individual.
        But for me, the single-seat option is more acceptable, given the moment that the PAK FA is essentially a robotic platform, which in some way replaces the second pilot.
    3. skazochnik
      skazochnik 25 January 2016 23: 42
      0
      Quote: Comrade Artem
      I do not understand one thing. Why, having a prototype of an 5 generation aircraft already undergoing testing and development, is it possible to simultaneously develop another aircraft of the same generation only in collaboration with another country ?????????????


      If I’m not mistaken, the Indians wanted a plane with two pilots, while we do it for ourselves with one, it follows that the plane needs to be redesigned to meet new requirements, although many details can be unified.
  11. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 25 January 2016 17: 06
    0
    The Hindus want a lot of things, and eat a fish, and sit on something.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 25 January 2016 22: 07
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      The Hindus want a lot of things, and eat a fish, and sit on something.


      They get it.
      Sioux 30MKI
      T-90

      The modifications that the Indians received on 5-7 years were earlier than the deliveries to our combat units began.

      so that they succeed.
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 25 January 2016 17: 09
    0
    Hindus will look and fly 40 percent less, all honestly. We have so many lads.
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 25 January 2016 17: 24
      0
      The Indians have serious achievements in technology, in particular the military-industrial complex. Here and are traded.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 January 2016 18: 03
        0
        In addition, Indians have dollars. They invest in projects
        and pay in cash.
  13. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 25 January 2016 18: 04
    +3
    Today, representatives of Russia and India agreed to reduce the price of the joint development of the 5 generation fighter by 40%,

    The decrease in the cost of the project is possibly due to the increased attention to it from the competent authorities (Russian or Indian, or both). We decided not to risk it. Or they decided to "ride" the French with "Raphael".
    Another version is that the figure "40%" arose under the curtain of some kind of joint cultural event. Inspired by a popular Russian drink.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 25 January 2016 22: 14
      0
      Quote: Polite Moose
      Today, representatives of Russia and India agreed to reduce the price of the joint development of the 5 generation fighter by 40%,

      The decrease in the cost of the project is possibly due to the increased attention to it from the competent authorities (Russian or Indian, or both). We decided not to risk it. Or they decided to "ride" the French with "Raphael".
      Another version is that the figure "40%" arose under the curtain of some kind of joint cultural event. Inspired by a popular Russian drink.


      I think that everything is much simpler.
      The FGFA project is in jeopardy.
      There is no set of working avionics.
      There is no engine.
      5 years ago there were official words about that. that the first Indians will get the Samoli in the 2015 year.
      Those. We get an optimistic delay in 3 years. to 2018.
      Realities will probably still be 2020-2022 years.

      The Hindus probably agreed to the 100% glider from the T-50.
      Without their requirements.
      And AFAR apparently ours will not be developed for Indians.
      They will buy from the Israelis.
  14. Charik
    Charik 26 January 2016 03: 19
    0
    maybe they will print this airplane on a 3D printer
  15. gregor6549
    gregor6549 26 January 2016 08: 04
    +1
    "Russia and India will reduce the cost of the project to develop a 5th generation fighter" After which India will tell Russia "Further, without you, it will make and sell these aircraft itself. We keep forgetting that after the LP with the Russian aircraft carrier, the Indians have ceased to trust Russia and are trying slamz her more and cheaper so as not to fall into the same stupid situation again. Business is this: you seem to cheat once and the stigma will remain for the rest of your life