Submarine "Dmitry Donskoy" remains in service with the Russian Navy

As stated in an interview for RIA News, Andrey Dyachkov (general director of the Sevmash enterprise), an atomic submarine called Dmitry Donskoy (project 941 “Shark”), despite the fact that the tests on it of an intercontinental sea-based ballistic missile such as P-30 “ Mace ", will still remain in service with the Russian Navy. The mentioned submarine will be assigned to the White Sea military base, and its task now will be to ensure the conduct of various tests, new submarines.

Mr. Dyachkov, commented: “There are a number of tasks that need to be performed during the tests - the work of the“ boat in the boat. ” It is these works that will be carried out by Dmitry Donskoy. This includes weapons testing, sonar testing, but to do all this, a second boat is required. Before, for these tasks, we called a submarine from the North fleetwhile distracting her from combat duty. ” Previously, the ship Dmitry Donskoy was planned, by 2014, to be removed from service and given for disposal.

It is known that the submarines manufactured according to the project of the St. Petersburg TsBB Rubin (No. 941 “Shark”) were built in the times of the Soviet Union from the 1976-1989 years. These vessels can reach an underwater speed for 25 nodes, and sink to depths of up to 500 meters. Sharks have a length of 172,8 meters, and a width of 23,3 meters, and a displacement of 48 thousand tons. In autonomous navigation, the boat is able to stay up to 180 days. Crew - 160 people, of which the officers - 52. To date, the ships of this project are recognized as the largest in the world.

It is worth noting that in the 2002 year, "Dmitry Donskoy" was retooled (project 941UM). One of his rocket mines was altered to launch the Bulava SLBM. On board this submarine (adopted in the 1976 year), all were released 14 advanced ballistic missiles, of which 7 were unsuccessful.

The fate of the other ships of the above-mentioned project (No. 941), referred to as Severstal and Arkhangelsk, has not yet been decided. Now the boats are located in the port of the city of Severodvinsk. They were transferred to the reserve, because they lacked ammunition. The Arkhangelsk is moored to the pier from 2006, and Severstal from 2004. As Mr. Dyachkov stated, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has not yet made any concrete decision regarding these vessels.

Comments

[Satanail]

Again shake the mace as one of the forum participants said. They will complete all the ships, the question is when?
Here is a video describing the army in 90 years, now everything is changing slowly and confidently. War will show for the better or not. If we avoid military conflicts and can in one word stand up for allies and brothers, then we have returned the power of the USSR.

In order to test and calibrate, you need to train staff, build more than one submarine for these purposes, and invest a whole complex, a lot of effort and money, but the goals are justified. The main goal is to stay alive to us. and the peaceful life of our Motherland is a consequence of our goal ..

ps http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0DUwSvHxUG0

[Vadivak]

The fate of the other vessels of the aforementioned project (No. 941), referred to as Severstal and Arkhangelsk, has not yet been decided.

They are there that completely stunned. This is the pride of the fleet they still have to walk and walk, reliable, strong - they are called the "victory of technology over common sense."

September 27, 1991 during a training launch in the White Sea on the TK-17 "Arkhangelsk" in the mine, a training rocket exploded and burned. The explosion broke the shaft cover, and the warhead of the rocket was thrown into the sea. The crew was not injured during the incident; the boat was forced to get up for minor repairs.

[PN]

They have a big drawback. They are very noisy. You can hear them far.

[PSih2097]

Oh well, in 941 the project has such a modernization potential that tries ... these boreas are needed ... they have one drawback - the cost of metal and Pindos money for scrap ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: PN

They are very noisy. You can hear them far.

Well, this is not a hunter, her task is to launch the R-39M "Thunder" and the latter has a flight range of 8250 km, and there are 20 of them on it, although there are also 22 torpedoes-missiles "Waterfall". It is not for nothing that they called her "Master of the Seas"

[stalker]

Run them into the Pacific Ocean, and do not care about the noise, let the United States and the Australians search.

[Nick]

As far as I know, noise is mainly created by screws, and IMHO they can be replaced by more modern low-noise ones.

[PN]

Not only screws, but much more. Actuators, pumps, compressors, turbines, electric motors, etc., etc. After all, a ship is a very complex living organism, only in metal.
When I was in college, one teacher was a retired 2nd-rank captain. True, he did not serve on the 941 project, but on the BDRM. But about the Shark, he told a lot of interesting things. So he told from the words of his colleagues that as soon as they went out to sea, the tail-hunter got them. And when the enemy is sitting behind, then how many chances to have time to launch a volley of missiles? Extremely few ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: PN

It was only for them to go out to sea, as the tail-hunter was landing.

It was he who landed in peacetime, and in the event of a conflict, he will be 300 km from the coast away from the Yakhont anti-ship missile system

[PN]

And in the event of a conflict, he will not go anywhere, he will throw rockets from the base, standing at the pier and that’s it, there you have the end of the world. If we start brandishing a vigorous club, then the score will go for minutes. But I hope this does not come to this.

[patriot464]

Quote: Vadivak

It was he who landed in peacetime, and in the event of a conflict, he will be 300 km from the coast away from the Yakhont anti-ship missile system

Hunter - apl, RCC is not affected.

[Nick]

That’s why the Navy should be balanced in terms of armaments. Some carry nuclear potential, others track, while others cover from hunters. You can’t leave the submarines alone, the system that creates combat stability should work. In general, something like this.

[desava]

Nevertheless, the PKK SN must have a high level of secrecy, otherwise you can place missile silos on ordinary dry cargo ships - mobile and thank God! By the way, the projects were in Soviet times.

[ztk1]

Well, if they fixed a hunter, then this is not a hunter, but a potential target. It is much worse when they learn about the hunter from outside observers. It was constantly on the Northern Fleet: either we hunted for them, or they are behind us, as close as possible to the battle. After the collapse of the Union and the reduction of military exits, the Yankees complained that they now have no one to train with at sea, their combat training is falling.

[Artemka]

They just got off the coils! Where else to reduce? And this is under the threat of EuroPro !!! Although the submarines will be something to hit. What do they think there?

[itr]

Is it possible to cut such beauty into needles
I won’t believe my hand will tremble

[desava]

For a submariner to conduct combat operations on a ship, knowing in advance that they will be discovered much earlier than they can "see" the enemy, it is like running across the battlefield with a bare bottom. I agree, I also have feelings for Typhoon (I like the name from the NATO classification more), I'm not afraid of this word, tender. I saw it in a cut (when they saw it at Sevmash) - say huge - say nothing. But we don't need it, at least considering the cost-effectiveness criterion.

[Ustas]

"But we don't need it, at least if we consider the cost-effectiveness criterion."

And let it be. Need is not needed, time will tell. And the policy of rearmament should be like this: for each PKK (and for everything else) two or three new ones, in addition to modern PKK, should be adopted. Or, like Ilf and Petrov have money in the morning, chairs in the evening - first take two RPK into the arsenal of the Russian Navy, and then you can write off one old RPK.

[desava]

I'm in shock with your arithmetic !!! I didn’t even immediately find something to say .... Everything is so simple for you. You even have no idea what it means to contain such a ship, and even more so you have no idea about the design and construction of new modern ships.

[MIKK1972]

Sadly, the giants, conquerors of the depths, are at a joke. Either let them live or use them as a museum (they are the largest with history), which decision can be made since 2004. If we need a submarine fleet, we need to know which and how many boats we need, when which ones will be replaced and disposed of, then the military-industrial complex will not be in a fever, everything is strictly according to plan. How many personnel are needed, what bases, what exercises, what patrol zones.

[Satanail]

We don’t need them ... A second life is good, but aging is physical and moral .... A submarine as an airplane is not a toy, if it runs out of resources too much, there may be victims, nobody needs it. So the prestige of the defense industry and the army dropped below nowhere ....

[PSih2097]

The problem is that after the collapse of the USSR and the departure of the Yuzhnoye design bureau to Ukraine, the Makeyevtsy made a modernized R-941UTTH Bark for them (39 projects), but it was hacked to please the mace and the Boreans ...

[Surg]

Still need to see how the Boreas will walk. I think they don’t give such a resource as the Soviet submarines did.

[APASUS]

As far as I remember, there was a conservation of ships in Soviet times! For the Northern Fleet - Sayda Bay. Now it's better to cut! American battleship BB62 "New Jersey" of the "Iowa" type built in 1943

[Evgeniy46]

It would be very good to make floating museums out of these boats, and not stupidly dispose of them. Putting on a mooring in St. Petersburg, Severodvinsk and Vladivostok would be for everyone a demonstration of the power that the Soviet Navy possessed

[desava]

I'm even afraid to imagine how much it will cost. The British put on the Thames the light cruiser of the 2nd World War "Belfast". So his maintenance takes a lot of funds from the treasury.

By the way, these giants we have not needed for a long time, like launch vehicles. Here is one ship left as a test platform and enough.

[desava]

For everyone who put a minus.

The main quality of a submarine is stealth. TRPK SN pr.941 lost it and does not meet any requirements. You are adherents of Soviet maximalism - faster, higher, stronger, more, etc. We had the best, but forgot about the most important thing. The submarine must be invisible, inaudible, otherwise it is a common platform for weapons. As a self-propelled barge for example. A modern nuclear submarine is a complex, a technical system in which all elements and characteristics are harmoniously interconnected. Obsolescence for this class of ships is very important, because detection tools are developing by leaps and bounds. And the maintenance of outdated ships requires large financial costs. So which is better? Build a new one or keep the old for this "loot"? And also - not everyone likes to dive under water on submarines that have served their time.

[killganoff]

The authorities do not benefit from propaganda of the former greatness of our Motherland! Victories and achievements of the people crap and forget. The importance of Russia in the victory of the USSR is gradually shitty, And who knows what the First World War was worth for Russia? Few people remember the fully automatic flight of the Buran into space, the Mir station is still unsurpassed in the number of experiments, unique achievements in shipbuilding and nuclear power engineering.
The main task is to kill in people the love of the homeland, true patriotism is replaced by other feelings.

[desava]

What are you doing? In fact, the government does not skimp on the maintenance of museums, memorials and other objects of memory of our ancestors and history in general. And propaganda for that and propaganda, that it should develop a certain stereotype of thinking in people. If a democratic (at least so called) state will carry out communist agitation (and propaganda of former power will lead to this in this case), then there will be no logic in this!

[vadimus]

It is a pity to cut such good stuff. This is not a Cossack in the end

[Ustas]

Some ships serve longer.

[Pavel V]

If the fate of the boats is decided in favor of cutting them in cash, wouldn’t it be better to sell them (give, give) for example to India, as our ally and partner in the military-technical cooperation. In this case, we get rid of the headache with their disposal (and maybe even earn some money), and India gets the opportunity to sail them across the seas and oceans.

[levanchik8444]

Officially, three Cereusheiks in America received America’s highest award for developing in addition to the ideal plan to destroy the Soviet Union, the plan included: luring the Soviet Union into the war against Afghanistan and involving ours in a terrible war. Having developed the stinger and bazookas. Our economy fully deployed to the war in afghanistan, and now estimate: a spinner is flying, which costs the Soviet economy 3 dollars, it is hit by a stinger worth $ 10000000, a plane is worth $ 80000, it is shot down by the same stinger, it’s eating a tank with a value of $ 30000000, it is burned by a bazooka worth $ 10000000-20000 dollars, respectively, for 30000 years we were in the anus. Respectively, it was even more interesting, the coup in Russia, we began to live in Russia ...
Then we have internal problems with Chechnya, he knows how much bullshit went there, then the second Chechnya goes there, then Ossetia and there, because they pulled their nose during Syria, but if we stick up in Syria, we will be poor) I understand that war is the engine of the Economy, but the Americans will tear us apart, you count on nuclear weapons, you haven’t forgotten about the disarmament program, laughter. secondly, imagine how much money is needed for the maintenance of nuclear weapons, thirdly, the Americans know all our missile points, so they created a front from the north- west to south of Russia with NATO bases, where rockets that will stick from the satellite directly over the rocket mines will stand, in the fourth they launched two satellites that weigh exactly over Russia on each of which twelve nuclear warheads aimed at all strategic regions of Russia, namely to supply the defense industry, they even prepare special detachments, which in the case of everything will break through to Baikal and Amur (we have all the nuclear potential and special missile launchers there to shoot down our missiles at the start. AT THE END OF THOSE CONSIDER NAKHUA PUTIN IN THE SOUTH URALS BUILDING UNDER MOUNTAIN YAMAT AU BUNKER FOR 400000 PEOPLE ,,,,

[petor41]

It's a pity the time I spent reading this nonsense! It looks like a cry of the soul of a fifth grader (especially grammatical errors indicate this) who has outplayed the computer! Satellites hanging on Russia with 12 nuclear missiles are powerful!

[maksim]

5+ agree with you

[Ustas]

It looks like this mishandled Cossack
levanchik8444

[killganoff]

I agree only with the awards of the CIA, in addition to this, representatives of other services and organizations received awards.
Cold War Service Medal - Cold War Victory Medal.
PS The reforms carried out completely destroyed the defense potential of the RF Armed Forces.

[416494]

Did you steal the CIA archives? Or did they serve there as an economist?

[linen]

Project 941 is generally excellent submarines. 20 mines each, good habitability. Why scrap, the R-39 with 10 combat units flies for 8300 km. Stop it

[PSih2097]

Construction of advanced nuclear submarines "Borey-A" will begin in 2012
All contracts for the State Defense Order for 2011, after long disputes and tenders, have finally been concluded. The latest documents were signed on November 9, and they related to orders for the construction of nuclear submarines at the Severodvinsk shipyard "Sevmash". The details of the signing of these documents, as well as the prospects for concluding future contracts within the framework of the State Defense Ministry-2012, were shared with the special correspondent of RIA Novosti, Sergei Safronov, by the general director of Sevmash and the Central Design Bureau of Marine Engineering of the Central Design Bureau of MT "Rubin" Andrei Dyachkov.
- Andrei Arkadievich, the saga with the conclusion of the contract for the State Defense Order for 2011 is completed. What documents were signed?
- A contract was signed for Sevmash for the construction of a modernized nuclear submarine of the Yasen-M project. This is the lead boat which is under construction. After lengthy negotiations with the Ministry of Defense, we have determined its cost, which equally suits both the Ministry of Defense and the enterprise.
Since 2014, state defense orders can make up to 70 percent of the enterprise’s workload. This is a very serious download.
- Why did the signing of this contract take so long?
- The Ministry of Defense, being at the stage of reorganization, this year changed its approach to pricing for military products. Frankly, we were not ready for this. In fact, the problem boiled down to refinement of the methodology when pricing complex objects such as nuclear submarines and surface warships with a long manufacturing cycle.
Almost all the time, from the spring of this year until September, it was precisely the convergence of positions in the methodology for calculating prices for these objects. In late August - early September, we came to a common understanding of how and according to which methodology we conduct calculations. It took another one and a half to two months to analyze the submitted materials. As a result, a price appeared, which is fixed in the contract. Here is the path we went this year.
In my opinion, this path was inevitable, because times are changing, economic requirements are changing, and naturally the Ministry of Defense is changing its approaches to the costs of money that it receives from the state. For us this is understandable, for us it means that it is necessary to more effectively manage our own production, it is necessary to look for ways to reduce production costs.
We have certainly dealt with this issue before - over increasing labor productivity, reducing costs, and internal losses. Now we understand that we need to deal with this more intensively. And such a task is facing all enterprises of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC).
- A contract for the lead "Ash" has been signed for Sevmash ... What other contracts were signed? There were seven of them.
- For Rubin, a contract has been signed to create a modernized Borey - Borey-A.
USC signed a contract for the creation of the Yasen-M series of nuclear submarines. The contract will be managed by USC, Sevmash will act as a subcontractor. This is a series of 5 ships.
Thus, "Sevmash" has received a full load up to 2020, and there will be no questions about loading the enterprise, with the exception, perhaps, of the beginning of next year, due to the fact that work on these serial ships is just beginning. But with the USC we discussed measures to ensure the utilization of the enterprise in 2012 - early 2013.
Proceeding from this, as one of the proposals, the option of transferring from Admiralty Shipyards to Sevmash the construction of two Project 636 diesel submarines for the Russian Navy is being worked out.
That is, there is a question of leveling the load of enterprises. "Admiralty Shipyards" have received some overload for the placed orders, "Sevmash" has some underload. Accordingly, the two boats level the playing field in both enterprises.
So far, this decision has been made at the USC level, and contract materials are being prepared in order to submit this decision to the customer's approval. This is the first time such a transfer of orders is being made, therefore, there are certainly legal issues that need to be linked in trilateral negotiations - USC, Sevmash, the customer (Ministry of Defense).
- When can we expect the signing of a contract for the serial construction of boats of Project 955 Borey?
- These contracts should be concluded in 2012. Today, preparations are being made for calculating the price and providing materials to the Ministry of Defense. Pre-contract preparation has been underway since early September. We expect in the first quarter of next year to sign contracts and receive funding for the start of construction of serial ships.
- This year there will be no new bookmarks?
- There will be no new bookmarks this year. Next year, it will lay down the lead submarine of the Borey-A project, that is, the improved Borey. This will be the fourth boat of this project. No name yet. "Saint Nicholas" is not yet the official name of the ship.
“Will it be a series of four ships?”
- We can confidently talk about the number of ships in the series after the conclusion of the contract. In fact, construction of the fourth Borey, the lead ship in the Boreyev-A series, has already begun.

After all, the ship is being laid on a slipway with already 5-10 percent of technical readiness. Up to 80 percent of the ship’s solid hull is already on the stocks, and by the end of the year all 100 percent will be. At the beginning of next year, the official ceremony of laying the ship will take place. Work is underway.
Moreover, we are already starting preparatory work on the fifth and sixth buildings. Without waiting for the conclusion of the contract. That is, preparation for production is underway. The technical design of the Borei-A project ship was defended back in 2010. And we have corpus drawings in a fairly large volume.
In the state defense order for 2011, there is no money for laying the fifth and sixth buildings. The state armament program until 2020 provides for the start of construction in 2012.
Today, up to 70 percent of the price of a boat is the money of suppliers. It's no secret that they behave differently. And here the main thing is to reduce the price of products supplied for us. As one of the options - this is the conclusion of contracts through the USC.
- Is it possible for suppliers to include foreign companies?
- Today, the position of the Ministry of Defense in this matter has changed. If 5-6 years ago, we were strictly guided by the fact that all deliveries should be only of domestic production, and a number of development projects were aimed at this, today the Ministry of Defense is changing its position, it is increasingly saying that it is ready to have even on board strategic submarines foreign-made equipment.
This is a very complex issue, and we are well aware of this, since we ourselves work for export. It is known that the performance characteristics (TTX) of exported products differ from the characteristics of equipment supplied to the Russian Navy.
We understand that buying electronic weapons is nonsense, but you can make individual components. Now we can talk about, for example, pumps, air conditioners.
But, on the other hand, the same pumps we come with stringent requirements for vibration noise characteristics. In order to purchase them in the west, you need to set the conditions for the supplier, and these are closed parameters.
Here is the cabin finish - it is possible. But more serious things are difficult enough.
There are no procurement problems to equip the enterprise. We buy both Czech and German machines. Recently bought a German crane, which stands on the waterfront.
- What will be the approximate profitability of the enterprise from the implementation of contracts?
- Contracts are certainly cost-effective. When concluding contracts, we proceeded from a profitability of 10-12 percent. But here we must proceed from the fact that we are in the conditions of calculating the price, when the development of working documentation has not yet been fully completed. A number of experimental equipment is still in the manufacturing process. The defense ministry said during negotiations that it would not set the bar on profitability. Such conditions suit us.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

The news is good, but I notice that someone is constantly above the successes of the Russian Federation or just good news. There is minus the question who is this twat?

[Sergh]

Well, they buy machines, cranes, and this is not one lam. With supplies, he says everything is smooth. Come on, eagles!

[PSih2097]

- What is the situation with the contract for the modernization of the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov (Project 1164 Orlan)?
- The Ministry of Defense wanted to conclude two contracts - both for research and development, and for repairs from modernization at the same time. In the negotiation process, we came to the conclusion that without the final option of modernization chosen, continuing to work at the enterprise is simply pointless. Therefore, repair and modernization work has been suspended.
A contract was concluded with the Northern Design Bureau for the development of a shortened technical project. The design bureau should determine which path the ship will upgrade.
- And yet, what will be the focus in the course of future ship modernization?
- This will be a very powerful build-up in armaments, namely in the missile system. Today it is armed with Granit cruise missiles, but Granit has already been discontinued. And in terms of power and range, they do not satisfy anyone. Therefore, there will be installed powerful new missile weapons (complexes "Caliber" and "Onyx" - ed.).
Energy will not change. As there is a nuclear power plant, so it will be. The plug is which weapon will be installed.
R&D work should be completed by the end of April. Then work will begin on the renovation and modernization project. In 2012, Sevmash will not carry out work on this project.
But the Ministry of Defense agreed to pay for the maintenance of the ship at the quay wall of the plant.
I emphasize that this is only about "Nakhimov". "Ushakov" (a ship of the same series "Admiral Ushakov") is at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk, but, as far as I remember, it has been taken out of the fleet.
- When will the repair of the only aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" in combat formation begin?
- Repair of "Kuznetsov" must be done at "Sevmash". However, while in contracts for 2012, I have not seen "Kuznetsov" in the repair lists.
- Is Sevmash in principle able to build aircraft carriers from scratch?
- Yes. "Sevmash" is ready to build ships of this class.
- What is the current state of repair and modernization of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Gorshkov" for the Indian Navy?
- The percentage of technical readiness of the ship is approaching 90 percent, in 2012 it will be transferred to the customer.
- What is the fate of the world's largest Project 941 submarines of the "Shark" type according to the NATO classification "Typhoon"?
- The two remaining boats of this project "Arkhangelsk" and "Severstal" are in the water area of ​​the port of Severodvinsk. No decision has been made on them yet.
Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Vladimir Vysotsky, and I discussed the fate of Dmitry Donskoy, which had been converted for test launches of the Bulava missile.
As of today, it has completed its work as a test site for Bulava.
We have agreed with the Ministry of Defense that this ship will be based in the White Sea naval base with the task of ensuring testing of newly built boats. There are a number of tasks that must be performed during testing - the work of "boat on boat". These works will be provided by "Dmitry Donskoy". This is a hydroacoustic station check, an armament check - in this mode you need a second boat for testing. Previously, for these purposes, as a rule, a boat came from the Northern Fleet, distracting from combat duty.
- Are there any plans to modernize Project 971 Bars-class submarines?
- The design bureau "Malachite" developed the technical project last year and defended it. This is a renovation with modernization. Funding for these works has been pledged. Will perform "Asterisk".
- When will the first Yasen, that is, the Severodvinsk multipurpose submarine, be handed over to the fleet?
- Delivery of "Severodvinsk" to the customer, that is, the Ministry of Defense, is going on next year. There are two reasons.
The first is the quality of the components we received from the suppliers. These are not combat control systems, they are just fine. This year we have completed the first throw tests of the newest Kalibr missile. That is, we have begun work on the missile system. These are other components.
And the second is due to the fact that missile systems were installed on this ship without completing state tests. The same thing that we have with "Bulava".
Now the ship made two exits. We checked the safety of navigation - one, the readiness of missile systems for firing, two. And before the end of the year we will be engaged in the development of a missile complex.
In fact, the state tests are underway not of the ship, but of the missile system (complexes "Caliber" and "Onyx" - ed.).
After the completion of these tests and acceptance by the State Commission, the ship will be transferred to the Navy. All this requires 180 sea days, that is, 6 months at sea. The end of 2012 - adoption. That is, almost the whole year the ship will be at sea and work out missile weapons and electronic weapons and its own systems. The ship itself, as a carrier of weapons, showed itself well.
- What does Sevmash offer for export in terms of military shipbuilding?
- Most likely, in mid-2012, an Indian tender for diesel submarines will be held, which, I hope, we will be able to win.
We offer a balanced boat with great combat capabilities. The matter concerns the Amur-1650 project.
The boat is armed with the Club missile system. A joint Russian-Indian development of the Bramos missile is underway for this complex. We propose to equip the Amur-1650 with which we are entering this tender with such launchers. We've done some elaboration - they fit well in an upright position.
But the customer is fixated on an air-independent power plant (VNEU). This is a world chip. I do not exclude that in a few years everyone will forget about it, but now boats with such an installation are quoted on the world market.
- Are such developments being carried out in Russia?
- "Rubin" is doing a lot of work on the creation of VNEU. We are almost completing tests of the bench sample. We have confirmed the technical feasibility of producing hydrogen directly on board the boat. Next comes the electrochemical generator. This scheme makes it possible not to store hydrogen on board, like the Germans, but to generate it on board.
It also allows the use of standard diesel fuel, does not require complex coastal maintenance. Moreover, the installation does not have moving parts, that is, in terms of acoustics, we have a great advantage.
In December of this year, the project is scheduled to show the delegation of India.
- Does the Ministry of Defense finance your work on creating a VNEU?
- Today the Navy does not order development work on VNEU. In general, the Ministry of Defense has not recently ordered ROCs. It only orders finished products. This development is carried out only by Rubin.
Perhaps in the future it will be a federal target program. Because then "Rubin" must make a prototype - and this is already very expensive, it is necessary to carry out this work in cooperation with someone. This is a lot of money.
- On the world market, weapons are in demand, which are in service with the exporting country. "Amur-1650" is an export version of the project of the boat 677 "Lada", which is not yet in service with the Russian Navy ...
- "Lada", that is, the submarine "St. Petersburg" is in trial operation of the fleet. While she is working out tasks in the Baltic Sea. To complete the tests of the hydroacoustic complex, she needs to get to the northern seas to great depths. Unfortunately, this transition was not completed this year. We will be planning with the Ministry of Defense the transition to the north next year.
"Rubin" completed work on the finalization of the technical design on the instructions of the Ministry of Defense on the basis of "Lada", taking into account the operating experience gained during the tests of the "St. Petersburg".
- That is why the Navy is still ordering time-tested boats of the Varshavyanka type, that is, Project 636?
- Here, timing and money are set at the forefront. These boats can be built cheaply and quickly. But keep in mind that this is not the 636 project that is exported. This upgraded ship.

[Surg]

To begin with, the replacement would be built and adopted, and then warships were sent to the scrap.

[PREDATOR.77]

At the expense of the "Shark" noise! When I served in the Navy, I heard a story that at first our "friends" called "Shark", "Howling Cow" - which they "will find as soon as she starts to move from the pier. However, then their opinion changed abruptly ... I think this" Roaring Cow " "unexpectedly surfaced at their side. Unfortunately, I do not remember the details of this story. In general, I will tell you this is a grandiose machine, when you stand next to you feel like a bug, and also a great pride for Russia!

[desava]

So, as far as I know, the "roaring cow" "Shark" was never called. But tales about an unexpected surfacing at someone's side (at a civilian vessel, I admit it) remain in the tales section. By definition, such a large ship cannot be very stealthy. By the way, do you know why TRPK SN pr.941 is so huge? And why does it have such a colossal buoyancy reserve for a submarine?

[AAT]

Probably it wasn’t really possible to put the R-20 SLBMs into a smaller case, and with an underwater salvo so that it would not go to the bottom ... So?

[desava]

Yes. With a small caveat. The equipment at the plant does not allow for the manufacture of a strong case with a diameter of more than 10m, and the rocket is long enough and even a "hump" (as in 667) would not help. Therefore, they made such an exotic scheme (as many as five durable cases inside the lung). It also explains the large (50%) buoyancy reserve. It turns out that this ship became a monster due to the lack of appropriate technologies.

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Quote: Vadivak

The explosion broke the shaft cover, and the warhead of the rocket was thrown into the sea. The crew was not injured during the incident; the boat was forced to get up for minor repairs.

Nothing unique. The boat is designed for this. On the BDM it was the same with the same consequences.

Quote: PN

They have a big drawback. They are very noisy. You can hear them far.

Not really.

Quote: stalker

Run them into the Pacific Ocean, and do not care about the noise, let the United States and the Australians search.

Airborne The most difficult thing is to exit secretly. This is the problem.

Quote: lin

Project 941 is generally excellent submarines. 20 mines each, good habitability. Why scrap, the R-39 with 10 combat units flies for 8300 km. Stop it

Missiles are not and are not made. Occupancy is not the main thing for submarines.
The main thing is secrecy. And this is a problem. And with the development of active detection tools, it generally rests with its dimensions.

Quote: desava

So, as far as I know, the "roaring cow" "Shark" was never called.

That's right. It's about 675.
The dimensions are related to the dimensions of the rocket. It was only possible to push such monsters into submarines with a catamaran strong hull. Plus there were requirements to maintain a small draft. The usual scheme would not work.