Shamans: Airborne Brigade in the Volgograd region will be reinforced by a tank company

A separate airborne assault brigade in Kamyshin this year will be reinforced by new units, reports TASS a message from the commander of the airborne troops, Vladimir Shamanov.

“Last year, the brigade took part in the Center-2015 exercises and was rated excellent. To hold these positions today, we need to move on. In particular, a number of organizational changes are planned for this year, for example, an intelligence battalion with a special forces company must be formed on the basis of the reconnaissance company by June 1, and tank company that will increase the combat power of the brigade ",

said the colonel-general.

“Today, the brigade is rearming with modern armored vehicles and at the same time it is planned to create an automotive segment of the landing technology,” he noted. “This work is being carried out within the framework of the Typhoon development work at KamAZ,”

Earlier, Shamanov reported that the brigade in Kamyshin "in the next year or two will receive a new proving ground", the construction of which will begin this spring. According to him, "the landfill will be used for all types of weapons." A platform for the landing of personnel and equipment will be created next to it.

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[polite people]

A separate airborne assault brigade of the Russian Airborne Forces, located in the city of Kamyshin, will receive a new training ground in the next two years. Construction will begin in the spring of 2016.

[34 region]

At first, the military airfield in Lebyazhye was disbanded, and now they will build a training ground. It seems like good news. Why did Tolik only close and relocate the military school from Kamyshin? The city is depressing. Gradually turns their industrial city into a village. There were plans to build some kind of civil proceedings. But everything died. So at least the military will support 100 thousand town. Therefore, this news is certainly good for the district center.

[Civil]

As practice shows, it is the Airborne Forces that are the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that have been investigated as a result of using both the most combat-ready, giving tank units is quite logical, however, should the use of both jointly and separately be synchronized, is this possible?

[raid14]

What, the Airborne Forces will rearm it will be "Octopus SD" or the next new product is being prepared.

[Lemon1972]

And also to land the tanks when disembarking? Or first capture the airfield?

[Alex_Rarog]

And do not stick tanks to throw aircraft from aircraft?) although it would be cool but have to capture the airfield ...

[apro]

Just like according to Goering, such divisions are parachute, as they say, either cross pictures or pants a deer, tanks for paratroopers kill the whole point. How will they interact?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Limon1972

And also to land the tanks when disembarking? Or first capture the airfield?

Russian Airborne Forces go by American Marines "Far from the sea" (far from air) .. The number of airborne troops is increasing, heavy equipment is being added .. At the same time, Russian paratroopers are pushing airborne forces from the Russian Special Operations. As for me, it is better than 200 km to travel on light armor to enter almost in a head-on collision, only because the Airborne Forces are more combat-capable than the ground forces.

[Tusv]

Quote: Limon1972

And also to land the tanks when disembarking? Or first capture the airfield?

Classics of the genre. First, the capture of the airfield, then tanks. 1968. The capture of Prague. A brilliant operation that the Americans cannot do. But our airborne arguments are more serious now

[Victor jnnjdfy]

There are "some" differences between airborne assault units and paratrooper units. I believe that tank companies will not appear in the VDD ...

[Pirogov]

According to the logic of the DShB and Airborne Forces, different types of troops, ............

[vinitskij2016]

In the RF Armed Forces there are three types of troops: the SV, VKS and the Navy (namely VIDA). Airborne Forces are a separate branch of the armed forces. The reduction of airborne defense written by you is deciphered only by the air assault battalion. Your phrase for people with a military profession is not readable at all (at least without a smile), moreover, it is not inquiring, but in the affirmative. But I understood the essence of your thought and will try to answer. Currently, the Airborne Forces have airborne assault and parachute airborne units (units). Not long ago, some airborne assault brigades subordinated Shamanov to some of the airborne assault brigades, they previously obeyed the district commanders and had nothing to do with the airborne forces (although they were engaged in airborne training and walked in blue berets).

[lysyj bob]

Or it will be necessary to create units in the structure of the Airborne Forces staffed by motorized rifle and tank states, and equip them with the appropriate equipment. But why? Explain someone. Thank.

[Shark Lover]

I think, based on the tasks, Shamanov restructures. The experience of Afghanistan. We had a company of tanks in the DShBr, the DSBB battalions received BMP-2 instead of BMDs, they didn’t have the infantry battalion at all, except for the NON, 66th, and received in the BTR-70 DRA. BM-12 by state, on the GAZ -66, were available BM-40 Grad. DShBr in fact may be the first from heaven and earth, but firepower and support are needed from the earth. Correctly written above, on BMD from a march head-on into battle in the Ukrainian. Point, this is a dump of scrap metal and the sea of ​​the 200s. Airborne Commander knows more and acts on the basis of tasks)

[P81]

Good news!!! Airborne with the planned gain and new technology! Then they added, they increased there, but forces are accumulating) A powerful army is a free people!

[APASUS]

Since the Airborne Forces were always considered as combat ready troops, it was logical to equip them with robots. But giving the tank company it would be possible to hamper the maneuver, tanks for landing have not yet been invented. Such units should be 100% equipped with the latest weapons.

[Tusv]

Quote: APASUS

tanks for landing have not yet been invented

Yes of course. Nona is not a tank, but for training. BMD 4 also sucks?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Tusv

Nona is not a tank

Nona, actually, self-propelled guns.
And for the use of self-propelled guns as tanks, the commanders organized cerebral se ... love sessions back in time of the Second World War.

Quote: Tusv

BMD 4 also sucks

Do you want to go against the Leopard on the BMD-4? Or, even worse, to break through the prepared defense (at least of the type of the Second Chechen)?
Remember - how many hits did the T-72B withstand under Grozny in 1999-2000 (after which they continued to fight)? Can BMD-4 withstand hits 2-3 ATGM or 5-7 PG-7? After all, anything happens in battle ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: APASUS

But giving the tank company it will probably be a shackle to maneuver, tanks for landing have not yet been invented.

Ahem ... I’m embarrassed to ask - when was the last time the Airborne Forces landed in a parachute way? And, preferably, with technology?
And where will the BTA now find aircraft under this landing, even if the mighty USSR, with its then BTA and Aeroflot, could simultaneously parachute only 1,5 airborne engines with equipment?

The Airborne Forces are smoothly transforming from airborne into airmobile troops. At the same time, parachute-landing capabilities are retained only for a part of the forces intended to capture airfields, on which it is planned to land non-deserted equipment in a landing way.

In addition, the story girls and tanks "Airborne forces and tanks" has been dragging on for a long time. The fact is that we regularly use the Airborne Forces as an elite infantry, despite the fact that their equipment is inferior in protection to linear motorized riflemen, and the fire capabilities of the Airborne Forces are lower (first of all, due to much weaker artillery).
Therefore, the Airborne Forces reasonably ask for themselves heavy equipment on the model of the infantry: since we are used as infantry, then arm us the same way. And for all the excuses in style "we will give you reinforcement"they answer that they know perfectly well what kind of equipment and what crews are usually" given to uncle ", and that the given equipment has a bad feature at the most inopportune moment to become"selected".

Fortunately, the Airborne Forces have experience - in Afghanistan, after a year of battles, 345 pdp got its own T-62, BMP-2D, BTR-70 and D-30.

[makarick]

345 pdp-Ferghana. Soluyanov A.P.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Alexey RA

Fortunately, the Airborne Forces have experience - in Afghanistan, after a year of battles, 345 pdp got its own T-62, BMP-2D, BTR-70 and D-30.

I would add that in connection with the events on Damanskoye, the 98th Guards Airborne Division (which was then stationed on the Amur River) was reinforced by a tank battalion on the T-55. Moreover, the division's staff included a missile division of the Luna tactical complex -M "(most likely with a nuclear warhead ...).

[Primus pilus]

In place of tanks it would be better to 2C25 "Octopus-SD", so at least mobility will be at the level.

[nazar_0753]

Most likely, the tank companies of the Airborne Forces will equip the 2S25M Sprut-SDM-1. Or does someone think they are going to drop a T-14?)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nazar_0753

Most likely, the tank companies of the Airborne Forces will equip the 2S25M Sprut-SDM-1. Or does someone think they are going to drop a T-14?)

Actually, Shamanov was talking about MBT all the time.

The Airborne Forces have long turned into an elite airborne infantry. And when landing, it is possible to transfer T-72B3.

[cokol-xnumx]

the "pondboy" training ground is high in the Volgograd region, on an urgent basis there were constantly shooting there and the landing troop with Kamyshin trained - nice guys ...
ps served in intelligence

[gabonskijfront]

He served urgently at the councils, at that time virgin battalions were formed for battles for the harvest, ours was formed by the Kovrov tank division. We arrived in the Stavropol Territory, unloaded next to the battalion on the basis of some airborne unit. By evening, the messengers left for the city with alcohol from both battalions, already there began fights between our tankmen and paratroopers, then all this moved to the station. Sporadic battles flashed along the entire front line indicated by the paths throughout the night and I will tell you that our tankers looked no worse than the vaunted winged guard. I will say more, I I believe that we won that company.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: gabonskijfront

Fighting broke out along the entire front line marked by the paths and I will tell you that our tankers looked no worse than the vaunted winged guard

Hope to make friends now ..... Landing on tanks is a powerful force!

[Kathernik]

- I remember in Baltiysk at the dances we had fights between the sailors and the Marines. So the sailors came out victorious.

[GDV]

You can immediately see the real mariman writes. Balobol.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: GDV

You can immediately see the real mariman writes.

The stump is clear. Our "sorry for the clumsy handwriting - I am writing on the wing of a flying plane, increased release - there was not enough space inside the plane" - it's true in comparison with sea bikes. Once, on a business trip in Moscow, I lived in a room with two Moremans - K-2 and K-3. We drank cognac for three days - I've heard enough of this! Only about the flying cruisers with access to the stratosphere did not hear - everything else was told.

In general, of course, hello floating! From the heart!

[saygon66]

-So your allowance norms were higher ... For 3 years, such people "gorged" ...

[kvnvolga2008]

Glory Airborne! SHAMANOV-REAL GENERAL!

[sergant67]

Quote: polite people

A separate airborne assault brigade of the Russian Airborne Forces, located in the city of Kamyshin, will receive a new training ground in the next two years. Construction will begin in the spring of 2016.

Remarks on pity, I am recording.
Previously, for such cases, posters were hung on the walls .... and the proverb was ....
Although this is no longer a secret ...

[iliitchitch]

Yes, judging by the news, we need to turn all the troops into the Airborne Forces. There, in the areas of the former sprat extraction, in the event of a terrible aggression, within a week (!) Already a NATO brigade has been deployed. And with Kamyshin, don't care what to Dali or Lisbon, "we'll get it everywhere," as the President said. And not just rockets. Another drischich NATO, and I am happy for some reason, well, it is clear that the "partners" are sad, but there is joy.

[Cympak]

That's just the airborne troops will fly away, but the tanks will remain ...
Landing method landing, you say. What kind of MBT aircraft will we transport? What class of airfield will you need for this aircraft? How many such airfields?
Is it for learning how to interact with motorized rifles.

[tchoni]

The tank company of the paratroopers is excellent. Only half a meter is ... It would be nice to transfer the training methods for the airborne personnel to the armored divisions, equipped in the future with t14 and t15. With corresponding changes in the organizational structure of the latter.

[Cympak]

Reduce the rest of the army? Why do they when there is an airborne? We will carry tank companies of the Airborne Forces
If you reinforce the Airborne Forces, then PMSM divide the Airborne Forces into:
1. airborne units jumping with a parachute and having equipment on a single platform, now this is BMD-4.
They don't need "Tigers" and "Typhoons" on the very first river BMD will sail away, and non-floating cars will remain on the shore.
2. Airmobile units, landed by landing method, with heavier equipment than BMD, but with high mobility, it is advisable to overcome water obstacles from the course, for example, on the basis of Kurganets and Boomerang. The key point is the possibility of transferring these parts by military transport aircraft to poorly prepared airfields. It is important that not only the equipment was there, but the corresponding aircraft. There are a sufficient number of aircraft that can transport MBT, then we include a tank company in the OSh. If there are no planes or there are not enough planes to carry out the deployment and deployment of the unit at the standard time, then we exclude tanks from the OSh. Nowadays, an analogue of this is called an airborne assault unit, but the idea is that they need to be transplanted to heavier equipment than BMD.
3. Spetsnaz, has no standard heavy equipment in the OShS, weapons and equipment can be transported by medium transport helicopters Mi-8. For example, buggies or ATVs + mortars, ATGMs, light weapons, but basically they must be prepared to fight on their own two feet. The current counterpart is the reconnaissance battalions of the Airborne Forces.

[31rus]

Dear, the absolutely correct definition of the DShB today is more on the concept of "mobile motorized rifles" and their transfer to the ground forces confirms this, so there is no one to drop the tanks, they will not transfer them by airplanes only when absolutely necessary, without depriving the brigade of the opportunity to use nominally as a brigade of the Airborne Forces, that is, both on the ground and from the air, but with different equipment, that's just the question of why motorized riflemen, they also can't learn to jump from a parachute, start with a separate battalion

[31rus]

Dear, the absolutely correct definition of the DShB today is more on the concept of "mobile motorized rifles" and their transfer to the ground forces confirms this, so there is no one to drop the tanks, they will not transfer them by airplanes only when absolutely necessary, without depriving the brigade of the opportunity to use nominally as a brigade of the Airborne Forces, that is, both on the ground and from the air, but with different equipment, that's just the question of why motorized riflemen, they also can't learn to jump from a parachute, start with a separate battalion

[Green1976]

Such an experiment in the Airborne Forces, in addition to 345pdp, was carried out from 93 to 1996 with the 27th brigade, which became part of the Airborne Forces with heavy equipment and attached airborne safety. Since 1996, the brigade again became a motorized rifle.

[24rus]

Native 56 !!!

[would]

Actually, we see confirmation that the Airborne Forces as an airborne assault force are recognized as unsuitable for participation in modern military conflicts within their capabilities and are de facto at least partially converted into motorized infantry. If you look at a number of conflicts where they were involved in the airborne infantry and there were only heavy equipment that had to be asked from someone else. And so just another purely land motorized infantry will appear, but in vests, berets and other attributes.

But now a legitimate question arises: For what reason are the functions of the existing motorized rifle troops transferred to the airborne forces? Motorized riflemen are capable of transferring land, sea, air (expensive and requires a number of conditions, but possible) by landing method and are an extremely mobile and universal type of force. Here, personally, I see 3 options, and in my opinion they are all put together: Problems with the interaction of the combat arms that they decided not to solve, the desire of the Airborne Forces to become a sort of army in the army, the transformation of the Airborne Forces into some kind of mobile readily available forces. It is likely that the motorized rifle troops rejected and decided not to particularly load, a mabut that cannot do anything.

[Sars]

Poplars in the Airborne Forces have not yet been put into service?

[Victor Wolz]

And I wrote for a long time that, under the command of Shamanov, it is necessary to create an assault brigade with heavy equipment (armor T-14, T-15, Kurgan typhoons and tigers). And what they are doing now is half measures and not an amphibious brigade since with non-landing tanks and not yet a motorized rifle division. If they are armed with octopuses, then it will be the airborne troops. Octopus and BMP-3 (f) would be good to equip the marines.