In Kiev, gathered to dismantle the Soviet emblem from the shield "Motherland"

The stubborn, or rather stubborn, struggle against the Soviet legacy continues on the territory of modern Ukraine. Thus, Vladimir Vyatrovich, director of the Institute of National Memory of Ukraine (in Kiev, is working in Kiev), on his Facebook page, said that the next stage of “de-Sovietization” will be associated with dismantling the coat of arms of the USSR, located as a bas-relief on the sculpture “Motherland” mother "in the center of the Ukrainian capital.

At the same time, the above-mentioned Institute of National Remembrance of Ukraine motivates the decision to dismantle the Soviet coat of arms with the fact that “there is no such state as the USSR”. According to the same logic, in Ukraine it is necessary to dismantle in general everything that was created in Soviet times, because the USSR is no longer there. Moreover, Ukraine will not have to be dismantled, if only because it acquired its present borders during the Soviet era. Or is the memory of the Institute of National Memory short? ..

Frankly, not all Ukrainian citizens expressed support for the idea of ​​dismantling the coat of arms from the shield of the Motherland. Moreover, if some are warped by the thought of wars with monuments and historical heritage, others are concerned about the high cost of changing symbolism. Some even decided to combine the "hot with purple" and suggested changing the "semantic load" of the sculpture. From the proposal of Nikolai Marusik, which is published in the tape of the mentioned Vyatrovich:

Our proposal is to change the semantic function of this statue. It will never be a symbol of the Soviet occupation, its new function is the art-visual lighthouse, which shows innovative approaches in cultural policy and national heritage issues. Our solution is a knight's move. But if the shield is cleaned, I’m not sure that it will remain aesthetic, it will certainly attract criticism even from those who fully support decommunization, and this story itself will become a monument to the fight against symbols.

Such is the approach ... Art-visual beacon, you know ...

Comments

[Putinets]

No wonder, they sold their Mother long ago to the black "sovereign" for cookies.

[shooter18]

Divide and conquer politics continues!

[cniza]

"Do not shoot the past with a pistol for the future will shoot at you from a cannon"

[79807420129]

Quote: cniza

"Do not shoot the past with a pistol for the future will shoot at you from a cannon"

These stubborn ones will not understand this.

[anfil]

Ukraine, you never cease to amaze

[krot]

Loshe! Let it be then completely demolished, since the legacy of the USSR burdens them!

[BIGLESHIY]

It would be better if they had their heads blown away.

[domokl]

Kharkov Lenin svidomo eye knocked out .. Let's see how the mother will respond to such freak children .. There, after all, the shield is 13 tons .. It means the emblem of the tons 2 for sure ...

[makst83]

There is no limit to Ukrainian stupidity! I propose to dismantle bridges, railway, factories (those that remained), houses, nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations and everything that was created by the hands of a conscience person, and also do not forget to eliminate the remains of Ukraine, so it was created by Lenin!

[AlexTires]

Quote: makst83

I propose to dismantle the bridges, railway, factories (those that remained), houses, nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations and everything that was created by the hands of a conscience man!

Strange logic in horned devils! The symbols of the USSR are being removed, and the territory of the country, which appeared thanks to this very USSR, is shyly embarrassed to give to its rightful owners.

[Primus pilus]

Without this, in Europe they won’t take it. Lavrov coughs.

[Scraptor]

let them draw two lightning bolts at once, or what the Azov battalion has on the emblem

[makst83]

Lavrov does not cough, but adjusts his glasses and clearly says - de @ ila, @ lyat!

[Cis-Urals]

And people made during the USSR, where are they going?

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: cniza

Do not shoot the past

“The time to throw stones is over anyway.” But to collect ... It remains only to speculate after what time they will restore all the tattered memory?

[vlad66]

Such is the approach ... Art-visual beacon, you know ...

Yes, we understand that they not only eat in the head. But also:

[sherman1506]

Mom asks to intercede.

[sherman1506]

Here are the bastards that they want and do something. Feast of disobedience.

[Kent0001]

Just no words. Lavrov remembered ....

[Damask]

The President believes that it was the actions of Vladimir Ilyich that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union

Yes, we also have not gone far, these are the words of our guarantor

[APASUS]

Strange things are still happening. In Letichev, the roof in the Dominican monastery went down, they were looking for workers of about 5 years old. And then they will find people and money right away to remove the 2 ton coat of arms.

[evil partisan]

Lenin in Kharkov already knocked out an eye to one bearer. And this shield will definitely take away 2-3 svidomyh ...

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

And this shield will definitely take 2-3 svuidomyh with itself ...

So that these dismantlers along with the shield roll up and take a dozen more crushed onlookers with you! Pubic lice, female dogs.

[AlexTires]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Lenin in Kharkov already knocked out an eye to one bearer. And this shield will definitely take away 2-3 svidomyh ...

Anyway! Surely the statue is balanced by the weight of the shield and the sword - when dismantling the coat of arms, it may fail, in any case, the balance will be definitely upset

[your1970]

The height of the sculpture "Motherland" (from the pedestal to the tip of the sword) is 62 m.
Total height with pedestal - 102 meters
In one hand the statue holds an 16-meter sword weighing 9 t, in the other - a shield measuring 13 × 8 m with the emblem of the USSR (weighing 13 t)
The entire structure is all-welded and weighs 450 t
The frame itself begins at a depth of 17,8 m (from the entrance to the museum). A concrete well with a diameter of 34 meter goes to this depth.

If the Shield weighs 13 tons, then the emblem 2-3 tons, not less. Naturally, when removed, the balance will be violated, but taking into account the significant weight (450 tons !!) of the monument and increased seismic stability - I think it will not be very significant.

ZY I remember there was already a precedent - when two pravoseki killed the monument to the soldier of the liberator in a car. Monuments, they remember ...

Z.Z.Z. I am tormented by vague doubts that the surface of the shield is not solid, but with a technological hole under the entire area of ​​the shield (for general relief of the monument). And if it’s such a shield with hole in the middle will accurately represent the current state of the country 404 ...

[sherman1506]

I’m calling, by accident.

[AlexTires]

Quote: your1970

if this is the case, a shield with a hole in the middle will accurately personify the current state of the 404 country ...

On top they will make a cheap platter in the form of a trident or some other abomination. They will become ....

[AlexTires]

There is a vague premonition that in the course of tearing off the coat of arms of the kakly this monument will simply be broken. Therefore, it remains only to advise these "decommunisers" not to break the removed things, but to keep them carefully. When they are forced to return everything to their places, I'm afraid that the stolen budgets may not be enough to restore the elements.

[jjj]

How much metal can I hand over

[SAM 5]

With disassembled brains, what else remains to be done?

[Al_oriso]

Maybe they will guess the Ukrainian flag in the hand of Motherland to give. With them it will become.

[sever.56]

Some of the greats said: - "A PEOPLE WHO DOES NOT REMEMBER AND DO NOT READ ITS HISTORY DOES NOT HAVE A FUTURE" ...
These words can be fully attributed to the former Ukraine, now turned into a territory!

[lysyj bob]

"Or is the memory of the Institute of National Memory short? .."

Rather, it’s selective ... Here - I remember, here - I don’t remember. So it’s more convenient to use it on your own.

[Riv]

Or maybe it is for the better? Ukrainians are not worthy to live under the Soviet emblem.

[Strezhevchanin]

Monument from the word memory, which is not and will not be soon at all! Yesterday stepped on a nail, it was very painful.
Tomorrow they will again step on the same nail ..... get used to the pain if there is no memory and there is no other way out.

[Thunderbolt]

404 will probably be depicted on a shield.

[Neko75]

Once they had the idea to cut down all the birches to Ukraine, as the Russian symbol ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Neko75

Once they had the idea to cut down all the birches to Ukraine, as the Russian symbol ...

Come on, we are not on the censor.

[lysyj bob]

Why not"? Children in Ukrainian schools are already taught that the titmouse is a correct bird, chew-blakitny, they need to be fed, and the bullfinch is a Mos-l's bird, from his slingshot ... And this is not a joke.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: lysyj bob

Children in Ukrainian schools are already taught that a tit is a regular bird, yellow-black, they need to be fed, and a bullfinch is a Moslee bird, from its slingshot ... And this is not a joke.

Throw the link with the video.

[lysyj bob]

I'm afraid I won’t find it, but I saw it on the news on ORT.

[Dr. Bormental]

Quote: Vladimirets

Come on, we are not on the censor.

I confirm. Personally, in the Komsomol that year, I read like in the fall. As for the hack, I don’t remember this, but I proposed some kind of ukrodeputat to recognize birch as a symbol of Russian aggression.

[Dezinto]

and when will the power plants be dismantled? MM? ukro-scumbags? - somehow you don’t want to hide yourself without Soviet legacy?

change the semantic function of this statue

bl ...... it's five points ...- SENSE FUNCTION ..... a monument that was erected in honor of people who laid down their lives for the sake of saving Kiev from the Nazis !!!! - SENSE FUNCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MolGro]

visible UPA emblem hanged as they get out of the hall)

[Tusv]

Why so Sasha Bubnova? Well coached Dynamo Kyif as an assistant junior coach. It was a long time and not true

[dmi.pris1]

Well, nowhere else can victory be gained to the dill as soon as at the front of the struggle against monuments .. Small parasites .. Nits ..

[Woodman]

They simply have nothing more to do, that’s foolishness and toil.

[Cobra77]

Yes, demolish what a trifle. After the national hero Bender, it is quite clear who fought on which side in the brains of the current independence. Oh, those who knew in 41 Kiev and Odessa would have known what would be there in 70 years .... Honestly, the feeling of nastiness does not pass as soon as I hear the word Ukraine ....

[Waltasar]

The association arose that Ukraine is like a daughter, dumped at the first opportunity from parents. At first she lived due to the fact that she managed to take with herself, then she came to prostitution. At the same time, constantly turning to parents for help.
And with her boyfriends, she loudly discusses what kind of bad parents she has and she does not want to have anything to do with them. But they, by definition, owed a lot to her.
Nasty somehow.

[Neko75]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Neko75

Once they had the idea to cut down all the birches to Ukraine, as the Russian symbol ...

Come on, we are not on the censor.

http://www.vmeste-ru.ru/na-ukraine-predlozhili-izbavlyatsya-ot-berez-vosprinimae
myh-v-kachestve-simvola-rossii-t2.html

http://www.politnavigator.net/na-rodine-yushhenko-unichtozhat-berjozy-kak-simvol
-russkikh-okkupantov.html
In all seriousness!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Neko75

In all seriousness!

Well, there, for the sake of justice, it is not proposed to cut ALL birch trees in Ukraine, we are talking about a local tabloid leaf and one alley that has dried up.

[olimpiada15]

What a surprise.
Having made Bender a national hero, Ukraine showed the whole world (at least the historically literate part) that it was the heir to the fascists.
Now, through his actions, he demonstrates that the enemies of Ukraine won in World War II, and they are reviving fascist traditions. Europe applauds, missed fascism, concentration camps, gas stoves.
Nothing, the dreams of the West will come true — many terrorists will surpass fascism in inhumanity.

[olimpiada15]

Regarding the cons, that in Ukraine:
Bandera did not fight on the side of the Nazis?
Not atrocious during the war and until the 50s after?
And in today's Ukraine there are no torchlight processions?
Svidomye not flaunt with a swastika?
No killings of civilians? Atrocities, torture? Robbery and Looting?
The government did not come to power with the help of the radicals, for which Bender is a hero?
Poroshenko did not sport clothes with the words "cynical Bendera"?
There are no executions of the cities of Donbass?
But Europe does not welcome the new government?
Weren't the states funded by radical training and coup?
Power in Ukraine is supported by fascist radicals and the West supports this power, neglects crimes against the people, which means the West supports fascism.
Who brought the war to Iraq? Who destroyed Libya? Who started the war in Syria? - SSHA and the West.

[sharp-lad]

With gas stoves, sadness will come out! Is Russia will give gas to idiots ?!
many terrorists will outnumber fascism in inhumanity. Is it possible?

[udincev]

And I am surprised: why the anti-Soviet experts can’t decide on DneproGES.
Well, such a symbol! It's time to blow up to ... !!!
What is there to work on trifles - experts lack real scale, flight, you know!

[Gormenghast]

The fascists themselves need to be dismantled.

[newcomer]

it has long been going to this. for about a year now I’ve been watching screensavers of news or some programs, but just in TV sketches, in cards, in posters everywhere the motherland holds a shield with a trident. I even had to make sure (can you imagine ?!) that all the same with the monument everything is in perfect order for now.

[Dezinto]

emotions and opinions? - to be honest? - censorship, mat, maat, mat, mat, mat, maaat, having thought a little more - another mountain of mat - censorship - the threat of a ban.

I ended up talking about a Ukrainian-Nazi-knowledgeable one.

[Tusv]

Quote: DEZINTO

I ended up talking about a Ukrainian-Nazi-knowledgeable one.

Why obscene when the article is malicious?
Ukraine caught a goldfish and immediately blurted out three wishes:
-European Union, a nuclear power and bordering France, not Russia,
- Uh, no. I will only do one thing.
- Then. Uh ... We want everything to be with us!
- No problem! You had it all.

[Ros 56]

Cool joke, I even copied. +

[Tusv]

Quote: Ros 56

Cool joke, I even copied.

So this is a compilation of two :)
European Union, Nuclear Power and border with France = Dacha, car, apartment from another. There was also one desire. But for the benefactor in the form of an old hag who really wants a piece of sex. Result: "How old are you? And you still believe in horses"

[AdekvatNICK]

what a shame before their own ancestors. What a shame forever. For all time.

[George 275]

Tie a gas knot to a knot as a Soviet legacy. The Soviet coat of arms on banderlogs acts like a cross on Satan.

[Al iv]

"Our proposal is to change the semantic function of this statue. It will never again be a symbol of the Soviet occupation" - insanity grew stronger ...

[Black]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

what a disgrace

Where is the HOLE, and where is the SHAME ..... There is no shame, everything is logical.

[chunga-changa]

The monument is old, the frame has been repaired several times, everything can end with simple destruction and demolition.

[Papapg]

I’m thinking, where were all these hiding in Soviet times, when this mother was built or was being built, or is it no longer a mother? As in the song, - ... all your beauty is a miracle at the mane to walk out ... She just does not have enough braids to mow.

[Sergey Vladimirovich]

It’s good that they didn’t live up to this (art beacon!) My both grandfathers and both grandmothers, who, by the way, lived in Ukraine ... They left quietly and earlier, proud and not spat upon warriors-victors and liberators ... This, of course, would not survive ...

[VladimS]

In Kiev, gathered to dismantle the Soviet emblem from the shield "Motherland"
A stubborn or, rather, stubborn struggle with the Soviet legacy continues on the territory of modern Ukraine.

Mother Motherland will punish her unreasonable children.

[sharp-lad]

These have no mother, only parent 1 (Bandera) and parent 2 (Shukhevych). Ugh, what an abomination!

[sergeant zabvo]

I am already sorry for the mothers of these alpenists! not one of them will fall from this shield ... but then fall high! and the question is, what about Ukraine itself ...? She, too, is a product of the Soviet Union ?!

[apolenkov]

HERE .... U_R_O_D_Y ...... M_A_T_B .... I_H ............

[Batia]

That really really-not words to say a damn word!

[Great-grandfather of Zeus]

But isn’t it even easier to dismantle ukroin as such?

[AdekvatNICK]

Chernobyl still affects apparently a person not only in the exclusion zone

[KRIG55]

Nikolai Marusyak- award for such an ornate quote devoid of any meaning. They know how to ....

[GEV67]

It is necessary to send the shield to Russia and put in front of the Ukrainian embassy.

[vic58]

Hush, dear, hush! And then they will attach, sorry, the genital organ! After all, Bandera is he! (Evidence from Odessa: "Mom klyanus !!!!!")

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Motherland ... with a fork for bacon ?!

[vic58]

not "Ukraine tse Europe"

[Strezhevchanin]

Favorite dish "from horseradish ears" you can eat as much as you like.

[Russia]

its new feature is the art-visual lighthouse, which shows innovative approaches in cultural policy and national heritage issues.

Svidomo does not need either the Motherland or the Mother; they need an "art-visual lighthouse" with an "Euromork". Probably it will be put into the hand of this "lighthouse".
And they already have their history and memorykakali!

[cap]

Quote: Rossi-Ya

its new feature is the art-visual lighthouse, which shows innovative approaches in cultural policy and national heritage issues.

Svidomo does not need either the Motherland or the Mother; they need an "art-visual lighthouse" with an "Euromork". Probably it will be put into the hand of this "lighthouse".
And they already have their history and memorykakali!

Quote: Rossi-Ya

its new feature is the art-visual lighthouse, which shows innovative approaches in cultural policy and national heritage issues.

Svidomo does not need either the Motherland or the Mother; they need an "art-visual lighthouse" with an "Euromork". Probably it will be put into the hand of this "lighthouse".
And they already have their history and memorykakali!

Miracles are simple. Where only nonsense will lead them. Are there really no others.
We decided that we could not cope with the economy, hit on monuments and symbols. Then the work is endless indeed.

[Polite Moose]

Interesting: how much will this significant event cost? I mean officially planned expenses (a helicopter, a team of sculptors, an artistic council, technical supervision, a banquet, etc.). I believe that a lot. The cost is equal to the cost of a chisel, a hammer, a coil of rope and 0,5 liters. gorilki. + new sneakers for night climbing (or rather climbing) on ​​the bas-relief of the director of the Institute of National (eternal to her) memory of Ukraine. If you estimate the difference - a good gesheft turns out.
PS In case of failure, the cost of the event will increase slightly. Just the cost of burying the "climber-Icarus".

[52]

Yes, they’ll just demolish the entire monument and half the coast to boot. These idiots can’t get used to it; they always turn into harassment, the wheel of genotbest, yopta!

[avva2012]

She will never be a symbol of the Soviet occupation

Oh, oh? You would have a girl (or who you are, decided not, chi sho) would not have promised. The occupation is not an occupation, as you want to call it, but anything can happen. Also, again, in the competition for the best monument to V.I. You will participate in Lenin. And you’ll go to Lenin’s subbotnik. It is necessary, because it will be, the handsome Kiev-capital of Soviet Ukraine from the village to clean.

[Vadim12]

Yes, at least they would have built something necessary, and so anyone will be able to break and destroy. It is curious that they are not breaking power plants built during the Soviet Union? Well, water supply, sewerage - this is also the legacy of the "damned scoop" ???

[The black]

Well, for that matter, let ukrovermaht be consistent - dismantling DNEPROGES, Kiev metro, YUZHMASH - in general, get rid of the damned Soviet heritage ..

[Karayakupovo]

And you still spit on the grave of your grandfathers who fought with a common evil. We, unlike you, remember and honor our ancestors. My great-great-great was an army foreman (under the kings), but both grandfathers died in the Patriotic War. One in July 42 (from Sands Guards sergeant, and the other in April 44g (Tiraspol district, 8 VDA).

[Samen]

And I suddenly realized:
Steel is not enough to insert a crown!
The cutters have erased everything ...
Tear Ukraine no more than!
We will take from Mother ...
There’s no conscience!

[Yuri Y.]

According to the same logic, in Ukraine it is necessary to dismantle everything that was created in Soviet times, because the USSR is no longer there. Not only that, Ukraine itself will not have to be dismantled, if only because it acquired its present borders precisely in the Soviet era.

Well, what have they been doing all this time. Where is the industry and where are the old borders? And there is still a lot of work, the Soviet something does not end there.

[Nirvanko]

Quote: wicked partisan

Lenin in Kharkov already knocked out an eye to one bearer. And this shield will definitely take away 2-3 svidomyh ...

I also immediately remembered that case. This is how a stupid person without an eye passes by for the rest of his life. On the questions "where he lost his eye" will be answered: Lenin knocked out.

[saniajan]

Lord, geeks ...

[ejov1976]

Just no words

[Lelek]

(Our decision is a knight's move.)

Yes, leave me finally alone. I don’t laugh that the former Ukraine walks PIG.

[dakty]

Quote: domokl

Kharkov Lenin svidomo eye knocked out .. Let's see how the mother will respond to such freak children .. There, after all, the shield is 13 tons .. It means the emblem of the tons 2 for sure ...

If only during dismantling it would break loose and cover ten of the most stubborn ones. It would be symbolic!!!

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Why ten? Two tons of at least Svidomo will be enough for twenty to thirty, especially if the coat of arms also rolls.

[tinibar]

Quote: Putin

No wonder, they sold their Mother long ago to the black "sovereign" for cookies.

They sold their homeland, they sold their mother, but they never received the promised cookies, at least not all of them did...

[AdekvatNICK]

Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk instructed a number of ministers to consider the proposal of People's Deputy Ostap Semerak to ban the import into Ukraine of books printed in the Russian Federation

[pvv113]

the next stage of “de-Sovietization” will be associated with the dismantling of the coat of arms of the USSR, located as a bas-relief on the coat of arms of the sculpture “Motherland” in the center of the Ukrainian capital

A people who does not remember their history is doomed!

[cap]

On the monument to Bogdan there is a mace in his hands. Replace with a rifle. Better with an M-16. To look progressive.

[proletarian]

We have no peace for woodpeckers.

[Aandrewsir]

They probably want to put a swastika there. After all, the Nazis “out of the goodness of their hearts did not destroy all Ukrainians.”

[From Tver]

Yes, my brain was dismantled a long time ago.

[4ekist]

".... In Ukraine it is necessary to dismantle everything that was created in Soviet times, because the USSR no longer exists. Moreover, will it be necessary to dismantle Ukraine itself, if only because it acquired its current borders precisely in the Soviet era. " And I like this idea. Let them give away everything that should not belong to them.

[twincam]

no words!!!

[ProtectRusOrDie]

There are golden laws of life - one of them sounds like this - “DO NOT dare to encroach on the sacred - fate will not forgive and will punish you”

You are stubborn, of course you don’t understand this, but nevertheless, you are digging your own grave, you vampires.

I have the honor

[Zomanus]

Well, as for me, with this Ukraine will push back its prospects for the return of good,
not even fraternal relations, and not only with Russia.
I personally am waiting for the quirky soothsayer who will declare,
that all the troubles of Ukraine actually come from this monument.
And as soon as... everything will get better.

[sgr291158]

Why bother with the shield, better remove the monument and all that

[Vades]

I would like to know more about the dismantling of everything that was created under the USSR. Then it is necessary to dismantle the DneproGES, in Kharkov factories - tractor, turbine, aircraft plant, FED, named after Malyshev, named after Shevchenko, Proton, Komunnar, KHEMZ, etc., in Dnepropetrovsk - Yuzhmash, in Kremenchug - KrAZ, in Zaporozhye - ZAZ , Motor Sich and this is not a complete list. In Kyiv, aren’t they disgusted by sitting in government buildings? The Verkhovna Rada sits in the building of the Supreme Council (which is a literal translation from Ukrainian to Russian) of the Ukrainian SSR. And at the same time the stadiums in Kyiv - Dynamo and Republican.
As they say, wonderful are your works, Lord!