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Cyber ​​Communism Manifesto

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Today, we see the US-centered imperialist system entering its ideal storm. And if you do not change the current order of things, then we face
a) global war;

b) sliding into the new Middle Ages;
c) depletion of natural resources;
d) the transformation of the planet into a huge trash can.
The old and the ineffective must go, giving way to the new and progressive. The existing monetarist / market / capitalist system should be replaced by a cyber-communist one.

Formulation of the problem
long overdue due to obvious imbalances in the global economic and political system

The dominant today "market / monetarist" model of the economy
a) is not able to provide stable and sufficient provision of benefits to a significant part (in many regions of the world of the prevailing) part of the world's population;
b) does not solve the problems of poverty, hunger, terrorism, and so on;
c) regularly leads to serious systemic crises;
d) inhibits scientific and technical progress;
e) does not work in the way that would correspond to its theoretical base;
e) extremely inefficient use of resources;
g) regularly leads to wars and other disasters.

Causes of Crises

amenable to mathematical and cybernetic analysis, and most are already described by various researchers

1. Free competition inevitably leads to the monopolization of markets (in the intermediate version - to cartel collusion).
2. In competition, according to game theory, not the best win, but the biggest.
3. Stock markets do not behave rationally, but behave emotionally.
4. Stock markets do not regulate the economy as they should according to neoliberal economic theory, but, on the contrary, draw resources from the real sector of the economy to the speculative one, slowing the growth of national and global economies.
5. The primacy of the private over the public leads to multiple manifestations of the “prisoner's dilemma”, which causes great harm to the global economy.
6. The weakening of the dictatorship of states does not lead to the growth of personal freedoms, but leads to the strengthening of the dictatorship of corporations. At the same time, in formally democratic countries, citizens can formally influence the policies of their states (through elections and representative bodies), and in private corporations they are deprived of such an opportunity - there is a pure dictatorship of owners. Therefore, the weakening of the states only leads to the strengthening of the dictatorship (this paradox was formulated by Hegel). That is why "liberals" and "anarchists" are the most vehement supporters of repression.
7. The Poincare voting is more democratic and effective, but that is why it is not implemented anywhere.
8. Almost all corporations make extensive use of elements of a planned economy, but the same is doctrinally (dogmatically) prohibited for most states.
9. Resources, means of production and capital are concentrated in the same hands, which leads to a significant slowdown of the world economy (those who have everything, there is no need to buy something, and those who have nothing have nothing to buy for that).
10. Wellfare, unlike the present welfare state, generates parasitism and parasitism.
11. The imperialist world-system, when countries and peoples are divided into varieties and “first-class” robbing “second-class”, inevitably leads to poverty, war and terrorism. Massive migrations that engender ultra-right nationalism are also a direct consequence of the inequality of countries and regions.
12. The use of borrowed funds for playing on the stock exchange inevitably leads to the appearance of financial bubbles and their subsequent bursting. The efficiency of the use of capital while constantly falling.
13. The dominance of “accelerated obsolescence” leads to excessive spending of resources, impoverishment of the population (people are forced to buy things more often, because they often break) and the problem of exponential growth in the number of landfills and industrial waste in particular.
14. The existence of large capital, which owns large media holdings and sponsors the majority of large parties in the world (and who pays - dictates politics, and not voters), makes real democracy in this system impossible.
15. Virtual money supply is ten times greater than the volume of the global physical (real) economy.
16. The high labor productivity achieved by modern technology should lead to a reduction in working hours (as it was previously reduced from 12-14 to 8 hours), and instead leads to an increase in unemployment - the greed of capitalists who do not want to pay more the number of workers for the same amount of labor.
17. Advertising imposes on people goods and services that they do not need and often contradict their natural needs.
18. When there are significant unemployment, underutilized production facilities and at the same time they tell you about low productivity as a reason for the existence of poverty, then someone simply lies. The problem is clearly not in labor productivity, but in the management of production and the system of distribution of wealth.

Of stories cyber communism

1. The cybernetics experiments of Anthony Stafford Beer in Chile in real-time computer control of the economy showed extremely high efficiency - in some areas the efficiency increased by 4-6 times, both in production and in logistics.
2. In the 1950s, the USSR economy showed record growth rates. Planned economy in combination with the combine principle of production showed the highest results.
At some point, the Soviet mathematician, cybernetics and economist Viktor Mikhailovich Glushkov was invited by the leadership of the USSR to move to a fully automated computerized management of the economy.
But the then party bureaucracy was afraid that after that it would be unnecessary and lose its privileges, so instead, a disastrous decision was made "to strengthen the elements of a market economy in the Soviet national economy." Soon after, the well-established system of Soviet economic activity was unbalanced, and the growth rate declined significantly. It ended with the fall of the Soviet Union. I emphasize that the Soviet economy fell into decay and "stagnated" AFTER the introduction of market elements into it.
3. The famous mathematician, engineer and intellectual Anatoly Wasserman once wrote a theoretical work that showed how using the Gauss matrix it is possible to carry out an exact calculation of the number of all the necessary goods that fully meet the needs of the population and set super-tasks.
After this, the work of Wasserman was thoroughly completed, simplifying and optimizing its matrix, which made it possible to reduce the number of necessary calculations by orders of magnitude.
The main problem for the implementation of all these ideas was the low computing power of the then existing computers. Today, supercomputers have been created, the computing power of which is sufficient to manage the economy not only of a single country, but of the entire planet. Moreover, the presence of the Internet, which already covers almost the entire planet, solves the problems of both collecting the information necessary for calculations and delivering control signals to intermediaries without intermediaries.
Therefore, cyber communism today has become an accessible and feasible opportunity that can be translated into reality.

Principles of cyber communism

1. The code must be open. It can be discussed and approved as laws are being discussed and passed today. Open source, Linux, Wikipedia, and systems with distributed computing can be used as designs during development.
2. Computer decisions are always based on the calculated needs of people on the one hand, and available resources on the other.
3. The economy should be based on meeting the natural needs of people, and not the pursuit of ephemeral profits.
4. Competition vs. Conquer Competition, not competition (conquest, absorption).
5. The solution to any problem is a matter of resources and technology.
6. Information belongs to all.
7. The planet belongs to everyone.

The choice is extremely simple
: singularity, planetary humanity, physical immortality and cosmic expansion - or chaos, poverty, war, obscurantism and the darkest Middle Ages.
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  1. Wheel
    Wheel 23 January 2016 11: 20
    24
    Beautiful, rational, but, alas, utopia at the moment.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 23 January 2016 11: 24
      +6
      Quote: Wheel
      Beautiful, rational, but, alas, utopia at the moment.

      Of course, because the moment itself is utopian.
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 23 January 2016 11: 37
        +7
        Quote: Alexej
        Of course, because the moment itself is utopian.

        Alas, this is just the moment "chaos, poverty, war, obscurantism and the darkest Middle Ages"(c), to utopianism, ako to the moon ...
        1. user
          user 25 January 2016 14: 54
          0
          The choice is extremely simple: singularity, planetary humanity, physical immortality and cosmic expansion - or chaos, poverty, war, obscurantism and the darkest Middle Ages.


          The question at a glance - who will carry out and control the process? And the second question - how does this project differ in printing US dollars by private banks (if anyone does not know it) that are part of the US Federal Reserve?
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 23 January 2016 11: 28
      16
      It is written correctly, but who will implement the manifesto, and if there is such a person, who will let him put it into practice. Consumerism in the world comes first.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 23 January 2016 11: 32
        17
        Quote: vlad66
        but who will implement the manifesto, and if there is such a person, who will let him put it into practice.

        Strange ... winked , the strange thing is that you don’t know simple things — many want to build communism for others, but they see themselves only at the head of the process. yes
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 23 January 2016 11: 44
          +8
          Eh ... if the nomenklatura and the bureaucracy did not overcome the Glushkov project ... now Mars would probably have mastered ... and the Union would be alive. recourse

          Although ... they say that the Russian invented, it will not disappear ... just the time of his invention has not come. winked

          The story about the system of the EIS GOZ (unified information system of calculations for the state defense order) in the news "United day of acceptance of military products" on kremlin.ru.

          This UIS GOZ is a direct movement towards the planned economy, Kibersinov and OGAS.

          At the beginning of the article reports on the production of military equipment, but the second half is about the EIS GOZ. Promote reports by T. Shevtsova (Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation for financial and economic work), G. Gref, A. Kostina (Chairman of the Board of VTB). Very interesting information.
          http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50005
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 23 January 2016 11: 51
            14
            “Flat screens of liquid crystal or gas-plasma type are already actively being developed abroad today. In the USSR, the development of large-sized flat screens is expected in 1989 — 1995. ”

            “The latest research and development in electronics gives reason to hope for the emergence of a universal carrier in the near future. At the beginning, most likely, it will be disk, and then crystalline, without moving parts in recording-playback devices ”.

            Set of blocks "SPHINX". Top row, from left to right - spherical speakers, a screen for collective use. Middle row - flat speakers, display 240X400. The bottom row - headphones, a handheld remote with a display, a large remote with a handset, disks, a processor with three memory blocks.

            "Technical Aesthetics", 9 / 1987.



            What country on jeans and sneakers exchanged ... crying
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 23 January 2016 12: 03
              +4
              Back to the Future...

              Cybersyn (Eng. Cybersyn) - a project of centralized computer control of a planned economy, implemented in Chile under President Salvador Allende in 1970 — 1973.

              The control program of the created system was called Cyberstrider, it was written by Chilean engineers in collaboration with British scientists. With the help of telex, the system connected 500 enterprises to the Cybernet network. All information in real time entered the control room, which was located in the Presidential Palace "La Moneda" in Santiago. The system had four levels of management (enterprise, industry, economic sector, global level), and it had algedonic feedback. If the problem was not resolved at a lower level for a certain period of time, then it automatically escalated to a higher level of decision making (to the global one).

              In 1972, during a general national strike, thanks to Cybersin, the government organized the supply of food to the capital with 200 trucks that remained loyal to the government, bypassing the striking 50 000 drivers.

              After the coup of 1973, the Kibersin control center was destroyed because the new government found the project unattractive.

              Now you understand why Allende was overthrown by the United States .... cyber communism would have won. winked
            2. kil 31
              kil 31 23 January 2016 12: 03
              +2
              This is yes. "SPHINX" is exchanged for "SNEAKERS"
              1. MIKHAN
                MIKHAN 23 January 2016 12: 19
                +3
                States in the world must remember what kind of "democracy and culture" the Anglo-Saxons carried, etc.
                We usually teach Germans, but it’s time to take on others as well .. bully

                The truth must be in the soul, and all these ideas are bullshit! We in Russia, like no one else know what it is!
      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 23 January 2016 12: 15
        +3
        It is rather a manifesto of cyberanarchism. Some believe in the iron hand of the market, and these dream of the iron hand of a computer. Another absolitization, which means utopia. I never considered utopias beautiful, as I do not see beauty in a black and white spectrum. The real world is much more complex, colorful and therefore more interesting.
        1. Pajamas
          Pajamas 23 January 2016 13: 47
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai K
          It is rather a manifesto of cyberanarchism. Some believe in the iron hand of the market, and these dream of the iron hand of a computer. Another absolitization, which means utopia. I never considered utopias beautiful, as I do not see beauty in a black and white spectrum. The real world is much more complex, colorful and therefore more interesting.

          Well, of course, how else is the "hand of a computer", but in agriculture you are not confused by the "hand of a tractor", like there in your colored world with a calculator, on the accounts of the family budget, maybe abacus, what would be kosher? You know that with the help of this very "hand" you have now expressed your opinion, apostate. All large companies use calculations and modeling, forecasting processes on the market, analyzing the situation, consider logistics, and imagine everything with the help of "notorious programs", that's where the "old believer" goes.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 23 January 2016 16: 43
            +2
            You apparently did not understand the essence of the manifesto. The authors say that the current world is imperfect and unfair and suggest that the task of improving the world be set before the computer. A cyber machine will determine our needs and, in fact, be responsible for the resources distributed in the world, that is, the machine becomes the measure of justice. The computer is becoming a cyber deity.
            1. Pajamas
              Pajamas 23 January 2016 18: 37
              +5
              Quote: Nikolai K
              You apparently did not understand the essence of the manifesto. The authors say that the current world is imperfect and unfair and suggest that the task of improving the world be set before the computer. A cyber machine will determine our needs and, in fact, be responsible for the resources distributed in the world, that is, the machine becomes the measure of justice. The computer is becoming a cyber deity.

              Are you seriously? The article says that the program will offer solutions on the basis of the data collected, it will calculate logistics, energy, production capacity, it (the machine) will process millions of input parameters, rationally use the resource, be responsible for the quality standard and thereby have neither overproduction nor shortages, but Have you already drawn SKYNET? Artificial intelligence, well, excuse this nonsense, the algorithm will be closed, based on the Gaus matrix, THERE IS NOT ANY FREEDOM THERE, you are not afraid of a calculator, ...... I hope you don’t notice, but you have already entrusted your life to cars, ABS, ESP, exchange rate stability, autopilots, about medicine so you generally can not even speak. Algorithms for making decisions for a person have long been included in our lives. I personally would like the machine to count the costs of education and medicine and direct the equipment and consumables directly, about housing and communal services so you could only dream about what would be controlled, wisely.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 23 January 2016 20: 02
                0
                If the person was attentive. I would pay attention to that. that in the nature of events everything is energetically minimized, or rather harmoniously and rationally minimized. In the nature of information processes, as an equivalent to what happens in the physical world, everything is optimized as well, which means the code and its algorithm are open and accessible for everyone, but the path to the chosen or assigned landmarks is another matter. This can be associated with how lightning looks. It can be a separate rod, but it can also look for a way to close the circuit to ground
              2. Nikolay K
                Nikolay K 23 January 2016 20: 10
                +3
                "2. Computer decisions are always based on the calculated needs of people on the one hand, and the available resources on the other.
                3. The economy should be based on satisfying the natural needs of people, and not on the pursuit of ephemeral profits. "

                If the computer will simply give recommendations, what should I consume, etc., then I do not give a damn about these recommendations, as well as many others. If you know a little about cybernetics, then you understand that with so many unknowns (they will accept recommendations or not) the program is not able to give an adequate solution. It turns out that in this case the car is useless.
                The machine will only work if its decisions are MANDATORY for execution. This is the option I am describing. In this case, I went to jo ... this piece of iron along with its developers.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 23 January 2016 20: 22
                  -1
                  I will not impose my opinion, but imagine that the principles of not only algorithms, but also geometry and physics in its key definitions are incorporated into the systemic process of mathematical constructions. Then the machine does not give advice, it shows the disposition of some potential of the event that is being considered and the PERSON can choose any decision in which direction to move. Of course, decisions are not only of a positive level, in the banal criterion of perception. A machine without subjective assessments can give and show the whole set of obvious developing processes and not obvious ones. Since we do not manage the entire email scale. magnetic interactions in the nature of bonds. The decision is always up to the person. You know how with the same hammer - you can build a beautiful house and you can shorten your life. Everyone chooses to tame. By the way, you can confidently simulate the likelihood of such "everyone" choosing his own path.
                  1. Nikolay K
                    Nikolay K 23 January 2016 21: 12
                    +1
                    The use of mathematical modeling and forecasting is inevitable and economically justified. But in any case, the machine is tasked and people make decisions. But this has nothing to do with cyber communism.
              3. Nikolay K
                Nikolay K 23 January 2016 20: 28
                0
                "I personally would like the machine to count the costs of education and medicine and send equipment and consumables straight, about housing and communal services one could only dream that it would be managed according to the mind."

                Consider who's bothering you NOW? Many large corporations are now building mathematical models, forecasts and development plans. You will say: now the human factor is in the way. So he will not go anywhere later, unless you FORCE him into performing machine calculations. And we again return to the alternative: either all this is cyberutopia or we are slaves of machines. Both that and other option do not suit me.
    3. Altona
      Altona 23 January 2016 12: 42
      +4
      Quote: Wheel
      Beautiful, rational, but, alas, utopia at the moment.

      --------------------
      Utopian only because the manager wants to manage, administer, distribute. It is our task to remove him from real control. Moreover, to turn his insatiable snout away from material resources ..
      1. Samoyed
        Samoyed 23 January 2016 20: 54
        0
        Personal loot!
      2. Samoyed
        Samoyed 23 January 2016 20: 54
        0
        Personal loot!
    4. Will
      Will 23 January 2016 13: 32
      +2
      Because similar to many is not on Reason. It is required to start with schools - this is the point that can fundamentally change the difference in the awareness of being between one generation and another. Those in power understand this, and therefore there is such a "fuss" with schools.
      1. Reducer
        Reducer 23 January 2016 15: 13
        +1
        "Venus Project" Jacques Fresco.
        If anyone is interested.
        “A World Without Politics, Poverty, and War” (Beyond Politics, Poverty and War)
        Website thevenusproject.com
        "Spirit of Time" three episodes.
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 January 2016 19: 30
      0
      article of the category "SCI-FI", unfortunately ...
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 January 2016 22: 13
        0
        I am for Alexander Rogers.
  2. Alexei
    Alexei 23 January 2016 11: 21
    +6
    At some point, the Soviet mathematician, cybernetics and economist Viktor Mikhailovich Glushkov was invited by the leadership of the USSR to move to a fully automated computerized management of the economy.
    I read about it. It is a pity that now we are lagging behind the years at 20. Often I think about how mankind could step far if it were not for the primitive craving for consuming unnecessary nonsense ... recourse
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 23 January 2016 11: 27
      +4
      Quote: Alexej
      At some point, the Soviet mathematician, cybernetics and economist Viktor Mikhailovich Glushkov was invited by the leadership of the USSR to move to a fully automated computerized management of the economy.
      I read about it. It is a pity that now we are lagging behind the years at 20. Often I think about how mankind could step far if it were not for the primitive craving for consuming unnecessary nonsense ... recourse

      If only craving for consumption! And also diligently cultivation of this thrust and enrichment due to it.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 23 January 2016 11: 27
      +6
      Quote: Alexej
      if not for the primitive craving for the consumption of unnecessary nonsense ...

      Chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola have won in the Russian Federation free systems: education, health care and other "remnants of socialism." Sad ...
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 23 January 2016 12: 27
        +6
        It is sad because our Marxist political economy denied the most important law of the economy - the law of diminishing marginal utility. And he says that what is valuable to us is that we have little. For example, water is of great value to a resident of the desert, but to a person living on the banks of the river, water does not seem to be of special value. Marxism is built on the principle of limited human needs.
        And life has shown that Marx was wrong. Sneakers, chewing gum and jeans, which were rare in the USSR, were valued much more at the end of the 80 than usual education and medicine. This is now, when we have sneakers at least a booty eat, we understand the value of what we have lost. As popular wisdom says about the law of diminishing marginal utility: what we do not store, lost by crying.
        1. xtur
          xtur 23 January 2016 14: 42
          +2
          > our Marxist political economy denied the most important law of economics - the law of diminishing marginal utility

          The textbook on the political economy of socialism was published only after the death of Stalin, because he believed that commodity-money relations did not work at all in the socialist economy.
          And after the death of Stalin, they decided to equate the socialist economy with a quasi-market
      2. Oberon812
        Oberon812 23 January 2016 15: 58
        +1
        And don’t say sadder nowhere. By the way, theyсpaid ...
    3. Sid.74
      Sid.74 23 January 2016 11: 32
      +4
      Quote: Alexej
      I often think about how humanity could have gone far if it were not for the primitive craving for the consumption of unnecessary nonsense ... what

      There is a version that OGAS officials were hacked to death, since most of the bureaucracy and party workers would be kicked in the backside .... and at the plant.
      I had my accounts at the Institute of Economics. He - as I thought - did not give due repulse to the attack of the Central Economics and Mathematics Institute. At first, CEMI almost completely aligned itself with the model of complete “ASUnization” of the country by academician V.M. Glushkov (the model suggested replacing the entire economic management apparatus with a network of automated centers - the ACS). Then CEMI moved to a different model - SOFE, - where all the planning and management replaced the complexly interacting hierarchy of mathematical models. I, as a supporter of other views on management, considered SOFE and ACS to be the main dangers, something like “electronic fascism”. And, of course, resented the Institute of Economics, which was the first to deal with all this. Economist Gabriel Popov


      Here is the article. on the pro pro:OGAS

      1. xtur
        xtur 23 January 2016 14: 48
        +1
        > There is a version that OGAS was hacked to death by officials

        they did much more - they cut off electronics and computer engineering in the USSR. We are talking about the famous decision of the Ministry of Radio Industry to switch to copying samples of foreign computers. This is approximately 1969.

        Prior to this decision, the USSR was half a step behind the United States in the development of computers, and in the general development of computers it was so far ahead of the West that such famous scientists as N. Wirth openly spoke about it
      2. MrK
        MrK 23 January 2016 16: 19
        +4
        Quote: Sid.74
        There is a version that OGAS officials hacked


        Wonderful movie. I first read about OGAS in the book by A. Kurlandchik. Damned Soviet power ... on Proza.ru. There, the author cites Glushkov’s dying words: “... starting from 1964 (the time the project was introduced), Kharkov economist Lieberman, economists Belkin, Birman, Milner and others began to openly oppose me. Most of them are now either in the USA or in Israel, and their children are billionaires (in the field of IT technologies) ... ”
        You look here and people of a certain ethnic group. So the question arises: did Gorbachev begin the process of destruction of the USSR?
    4. dauria
      dauria 23 January 2016 11: 49
      10
      I often wonder how mankind could step far,


      What is great man? By creating a second nature? What set in motion almost cosmic forces? That in an insignificant time took control of the planet and cut a window into the Universe? No! The fact that, despite this, escaped smile and intends to survive further.

      Strugatsky. "Roadside Picnic"

      Well, and according to the article, they will eventually create artificial intelligence, this is a question of a dozen years, no more. Well, smart brains will rivet on the assembly line. It is not difficult to guess who they will belong to and what they will be asked first of all. Money, money, money and power over the rest.
      The "triune task" was once taught. The most difficult thing was "raising a new person." Think about it - you can create productive forces - and they will not go anywhere. And upbringing, interrupt for 20 years, and all to waste, a new generation and cranks of communism.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 23 January 2016 12: 17
        +5
        Quote: dauria
        And interruption, interrupt for 20 years, and all in vain, a new generation and krants to communism.

        I completely agree with you, a person rolls away very quickly, personal interests under certain conditions and propaganda take precedence over public ones in a short time, the same thing happens with a person’s personality - the most base instincts creep out, and the lack of social guidelines and a certain ideology leads to degradation personality (including alcoholism, drug addiction) and society as a whole.
        But a fragmented, poorly educated, de-ideologized, individualistic society is much easier to manage and manipulate.
        So forward is back to USSR-2.0
      2. tolian
        tolian 23 January 2016 19: 31
        +1
        In 1964 he read about thermonuclear energy in the 2000th year. So how is it? And your prediction about the task is orders of magnitude more complicated. It seems to me that of Baba Vanga, the great charlatan.
  3. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 January 2016 11: 28
    +3
    7. The planet belongs to everyone .... planetary humanity, physical immortality and cosmic expansion
    Maybe all, but Mother Siberia, with its huge reserves, is our land !!! Like everything else, within our state border.angry soldier I agree with immortality and expansion ... Who is against it !?fellow ))))))))
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 23 January 2016 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Like everything else within our state border.

      Russia has no borders ... Russia has only horizons ... fellow
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 23 January 2016 12: 27
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      7. The planet belongs to everyone .... planetary humanity, physical immortality and cosmic expansion
      Maybe all, but Mother Siberia, with its huge reserves, is our land !!! Like everything else, within our state border.angry soldier I agree with immortality and expansion ... Who is against it !?fellow ))))))))

      Exactly!!! Otherwise, some Arabs imagined that Germany belonged to them! Germany may like such possession, but Siberia will definitely not like it.
      And what the hell is your immortality?)))
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 23 January 2016 12: 34
        -1
        Quote: Hagalaz
        And what the hell is your immortality?)))

        And who then will master Mars in the first all-Union expedition? smile
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 23 January 2016 13: 47
          +3
          Quote: Sid.74
          Quote: Hagalaz
          And what the hell is your immortality?)))

          And who then will master Mars in the first all-Union expedition? smile

          Do you want to earn all the achievements? Offspring out of business leave? wink
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 23 January 2016 16: 19
            +3
            Quote: Hagalaz
            And what the hell is your immortality?)))
            Hmm ... Or maybe I want to take a mortgage. Here and I will have a little hope that at least someday, yes I’ll pay off fellow )))
            1. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 23 January 2016 17: 31
              +3
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              Quote: Hagalaz
              And what the hell is your immortality?)))
              Hmm ... Or maybe I want to take a mortgage. Here and I will have a little hope that at least someday, yes I’ll pay off fellow )))

              Well, then, long years to you! drinks
  4. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 23 January 2016 11: 29
    +2
    Therefore, cyber communism today has become an accessible and feasible opportunity that can be translated into reality.

    Does it (the rulers of all countries) really need it? The most important thing, according to their statements, that there would be chaos in the world, against the background of this chaos it is easier to satisfy their petty, base needs, without putting in anything the desires of the peoples of these countries.
  5. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 23 January 2016 11: 32
    +2
    I don’t care that utopia ... I AM FOR ... let the cold mathematical calculation guide everything ....
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 23 January 2016 12: 18
      0
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      I don’t care that utopia ... I AM FOR ... let the cold mathematical calculation guide everything ....

      Come on! Cold mathematical calculation helps to fill your own pockets at the expense of others. Let CONSCIENCE rule everything.))
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 23 January 2016 12: 37
      0
      First, the computer will decide to whom to sell, then to whom to live with and from whom to have children, and finally to whom to live and who to die. All this has long been described in world fiction.
      Who really likes to obey cars is up to you, but don’t drag us into your sect.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 23 January 2016 13: 53
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai K
        First, the computer will decide to whom to sell, then to whom to live with and from whom to have children, and finally to whom to live and who to die. All this has long been described in world fiction.
        Who really likes to obey cars is up to you, but don’t drag us into your sect.

        SKYNET should not be activated !!!
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 23 January 2016 14: 15
          +1
          Machine analysis will always and rigorously be subject to the systemic guidelines of its activities. This is a key element of artificial intelligence. At the same time, it can also be subordinated to the algorithmic transformation process, depending on the changing external and internal transformations. Therefore, do not be afraid of your own fears. Especially when the person himself is in the process of perfection, and maybe degradation. In any case, the number series can also be an indicator of the vector and some processes in one direction, and others in the opposite.
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 23 January 2016 14: 20
        -2
        Quote: Nikolai K
        First, the computer will decide to whom to sell, then to whom to live with and from whom to have children, and finally to whom to live and who to die. All this has long been described in world fiction.
        Who really likes to obey cars is up to you, but don’t drag us into your sect.

        You have long been in this sect, judging because you write your comments on VO and probably still communicate in other social projects.
        Everywhere there are online stores, advertisements slipping you goods, information from people and people interested in deceiving you. You will say that you make decisions yourself - this is complete nonsense, the "computer" in the form of global information has long been telling you which decision to make.
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 23 January 2016 14: 32
          +1
          You're wrong. If you follow your logic, then by reading books I become a slave to books, and by eating beef I obey a cow. Yes, I use a computer for my needs, but a bunch of people - the computer is the main me.
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 23 January 2016 14: 33
          +2
          You're not right . The expanded information space does not prompt a person new decisions, but forms new opportunities for making other decisions. These are different positions. The decision is made by the brain. as an analysis tool. Therefore, some perceive the new state of the expanded information space positively, and others differently.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 23 January 2016 14: 29
        -3
        Quote: Nikolai K
        First, the computer will decide to whom to sell, then to whom to live with and from whom to have children, and finally to whom to live and who to die. All this has long been described in world fiction.
        Who really likes to obey cars is up to you, but don’t drag us into your sect.

        You that hurt my innocuous response to your comment? So that means you are the one who, with a special frenzy, minuses other people's opinions? Evil always returns to those who create it, but in multiple sizes.
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 23 January 2016 14: 49
          +1
          Alexey, in my answer you were given no less harmless than your comment. hi And the minuses are not evil at all, it’s too dramatic you are. Cons do not harm us, I know by myself.
        2. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 23 January 2016 18: 10
          +1
          I do not hesitate to minus the overtly ridiculous or aggressive answers, but in this case your opinion didn’t seem like that to me.
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      5. Photon
        Photon 24 January 2016 00: 40
        0
        Did you go to school? The computer cannot decide what.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 24 January 2016 00: 46
          0
          Quote: Photon
          The computer cannot decide anything

          The car .. can’t think .. the car must .. ride (C) laughing
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 24 January 2016 23: 33
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Quote: Photon
            The computer cannot decide anything

            The car .. can’t think .. the car must .. ride (C) laughing

            What does it mean to think? You explain in words. And then no scientist yet knows what a thought is and where it comes from.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 25 January 2016 00: 32
              0
              It is important to understand that without knowing the structure of building the information space it is impossible to understand what the function of thinking represents. And those who know cannot explain the essence of this process to those who do not know. Because it is necessary to explain first, at least the essence of the general concept. How, for example, to explain what a complex analysis method is if the fundamental properties of a number in the form of its constant function are not known. In fact, such a concept as ANALYSIS remains a secret behind seven locks. Because . that in a dynamic system this cannot be a solution. This can be an event in a system of transformations and relative to other related events. We can only consider this event, but not how to count or model. In the main part of the work of even our brain, we take a very relative part.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 24 January 2016 23: 29
          -1
          Quote: Photon
          Did you go to school? The computer cannot decide what.

          Unfortunately, it is already beginning to solve without human intervention. A simple example is that the missile defense system itself makes decisions about the destruction of attacking missiles and a retaliatory nuclear strike. There is no time to report to the president, since the president may simply be destroyed and there will be no answer. Moreover, the Perimeter system automatically launches a second echelon of nuclear missiles to destroy the aggressor when the entire infrastructure is destroyed in the country and nuclear contamination of the territory is discovered.
          In aircraft, the computer itself also makes the decision to destroy the attacking missiles or the missile defense.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 26 January 2016 22: 35
            0
            Computer programs are written on the logic "yes", "no", "or", "and". Similarly, depending on these parameters, the combat systems "decide" something. More than one PC with the program is not able to think at least at the level of chimpanzees. Not that level.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 January 2016 11: 33
    +5
    or chaos, poverty, war, obscurantism and the darkest Middle Ages.

    To which we are moving gradually, and in the last 2 years at an accelerated pace. Only those who are of little concern to all of humanity are currently sitting at the remote control. And if you do not stop it in time, then the "northern animal" will come to humanity.
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  8. yuriy55
    yuriy55 23 January 2016 11: 36
    0
    An alternative to the existing economic system is already there:
  9. NDR-791
    NDR-791 23 January 2016 11: 37
    +2
    Principles of Cyber ​​Communism ...
    And a new "glavnyuk" will appear in the world - who will watch those computers. It's like with electronic elections - it works like a programmer wants, but he wants it as it is said by those who can ask for wrong movements.
  10. Kalinvagen
    Kalinvagen 23 January 2016 11: 43
    +4
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Mankind is clearly not yet ready for this. Putting "right" thoughts into your head from an early age is what you need to do. Even a family needs 3 children, "correctly" brought up. Then, you see, in 50 years, maybe something will happen.
    Well, by the way.
    What is this your devastation? An old woman with a stick? Did the witch who knocked out all the glass put out all the lamps? Yes, it does not exist at all. What do you mean by this word? [...] This is what: if, instead of operating every evening, I start singing in my apartment in a chorus, I will fall into ruin. If I enter the restroom, I’ll start, sorry for the expression, urinate past the toilet and Zina and Daria Petrovna will do the same, the restroom will begin to collapse. Therefore, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads. So, when these baritones shout “beat the devastation!” - I am laughing. [...] I swear to you, it’s funny to me! This means that each of them must hit his neck! And so, when he hatches out all sorts of hallucinations and engages in cleaning his sheds - his direct business - the devastation will disappear by itself. Two gods cannot be served! It is impossible at one time to sweep the tram tracks and arrange the fate of some Spanish ragged men! Nobody succeeds in this, the doctor, and even more so for people who, in general, are 200 years behind the Europeans, still still have not quite confidently fastened their own pants!

    - Preobrazhensky, chapter III
  11. 1616913
    1616913 23 January 2016 11: 49
    +5
    This is all talk in style - how good it would be if beer was poured from a tap, rolls grew on trees, and women would be given to all communists upon request.
    Communism was already being built, and it was not a matter of economics, someone was fighting for common happiness, while someone was fighting for personal and in the last years of the USSR’s existence, mainly with those who built common happiness.
    It ended how it ended it could be worse.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 January 2016 11: 50
    +3
    Yes, everything can be calculated, one problem, who will determine the needs? And that share of the public good that falls on one or another individual? Supercomputers will allow you to calculate production and logistics. The question remains - what exactly should be calculated?
    1. Photon
      Photon 24 January 2016 00: 34
      -2
      It's not a problem. It is solved simply
  13. Lumumba
    Lumumba 23 January 2016 11: 54
    -1
    The concept is real and based on tested in experiment mathematical models. This is not a utopia, but a distant future. Unfortunately, a person is not mentally ready for this concept. At all levels of management, at all levels of decision-making, there is always what is called the "human factor".

    The fact is that at present, each individual person cares only about himself, or about a limited circle of people (family, relatives). So it will always be above all to row resources for themselves and for themselves, or for themselves and for their own, but not for others. And this is a fatal flaw of any person who does not allow to bring this concept to life. The tombstone of the concept is the person’s inability to carry out large-scale strategic planning, resulting in the inability of most people to abandon the momentary advantages, even if in the long run it will bring fatal disadvantages.

    Yes, in theory one can remove a person from all levels of management and decision-making ... But then we will inevitably come to the fundamental question: Why then do we need people? Wasn't that what Stephen Hawking warned about at a conference on artificial intelligence not so long ago?
    1. 1616913
      1616913 23 January 2016 12: 05
      +3
      Personal interests - this is the main human trait, and it has led to the success of humanity as a species. Proposals by the author of the system and communism are generally well suited for bees or ants; they will not have internal contradictions.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 23 January 2016 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: 1616913
        this is the main human trait she led to the success of humanity as a species.

        Yeah, we clearly see how now the main egoist of the United States leads the whole world to a complete collapse ... and how Iraq, Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya are blooming .. just terribly.
        1. 1616913
          1616913 23 January 2016 12: 31
          +2
          Actually, the conversation here is not about states, but about people in society.
  14. raid14
    raid14 23 January 2016 12: 16
    +1
    The prospects are of course bright, but the question arises, who will control the programmers? Life by order of an electronic brain, division into castes (employees, workers, peasants, etc.), the allocation of material wealth to each according to his abilities is a direct path to the establishment of a "new world order".
  15. gridasov
    gridasov 23 January 2016 12: 22
    +4
    not many understand. that the basis of mathematical models of analysis is the calculation method. This means that using the fundamental function of a variable value of a number, all methods come down to finding the only correct solution. However, all life and natural processes occur in dynamics and at all fractal depth levels. So while some particular solution has been found, the complex of events at different levels has already changed the structure of interactions in this space. Therefore, any conclusion or particular decision should be considered only as some event relative to other related events and so on. Then it is necessary to include the most important and fundamental principle in the analysis model — this is the dynamics of the transformations of all events. However, on a variable number function, this cannot be done. This can be done only on the function of a constant value of the number. And you can build a space of some interactions that are not just in conjugate interactions, but also in energy.
    All the rest of the discussion about mathematical models of analysis remains nothing more than a subjective logical analysis carried out by the more or less prepared brain of an individual individual. And this means that any reasoning by any person can take place, BUT !!! -This will always be a private small and subjective opinion in the complex of all those events that form this or that information space.
    The informational octopus in the form of the Internet is created and it works. Now you only need to create a mathematical model of analysis, the background of which is open.
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 January 2016 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: gridasov
      However, all life and natural processes occur in dynamics and at all fractal depth levels. So while some particular solution has been found, the complex of events at different levels has already changed the structure of interactions in this space. Therefore, any conclusion or particular decision should be considered only as some event relative to other related events and so on.

      ------------------------------
      It is not necessary to immediately "embrace the immense", while we are talking about primary needs. For some reason, fashion magazines convince the consumer to buy clothes of a certain cut and colors, the factory sews these clothes with might and main. The "trend-oriented" consumer buys 70-80% of these clothes in orderly rows. In general, the planning and preparation of the consumer is partially visible. They focus on the young consumer as the most active. In general, by pushing and educating demand, sales are created. How society is educated, it will consume such clothes, and not only clothes. The same thing happens with food. Food in supermarkets is practically artificial, it only looks like cheese, milk, meat and vegetables, but it is a product of transgenic, biochemical and purely chemical technologies.In general, a person learns and in many ways has learned to create his life from artificial elements, however, drawing material from natural resources. In general, we still need to promote consumption patterns so that a person is not guided only by emotions, but also realizes what and why he is consuming, and that resources are not unlimited and are needed for more complex tasks.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 23 January 2016 14: 07
        -1
        I have already said that the technique of working with big data does not exclude analysis at the level of calculations and low-potential physical processes. The technique expands a person’s ability to work with big data and in a dynamic process. Moreover, I do not in any way deny any opinion and reasoning, as I believe that even in the nature of what is happening it is impossible not to take into account even the smallest physical information event. The technique is built on that. that there is the possibility of unlimited input of any level of contradictions or similarity of particular events. The technique generally excludes any confrontation or substitution of any other techniques. It incorporates everything. However, it is mathematics in the form of precise and unambiguous definitions, and not figurative logical reasoning - this is the most important.
  16. Cat man null
    Cat man null 23 January 2016 13: 17
    +3
    Bullshit. In the end, a perfectly managed society will be built, yes. The only question is - who and in whose interests will manage it.

    I suspect that it will be managed by the one whose money such a society will be created, and guess three times - will it be you or, conditionally, Roma Abramovich wink

    PS: and there is no need here about "programmers", they are the same plumbers, just with slightly different skills and tools. The programmer himself (ERP systems, if anyone says anything) with 25+ years of experience. I know - a lot, I can - everything, but I don't make global decisions myself. For it is fraught with .. sideways laughing

    Something like that.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 23 January 2016 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      PS: and there is no need here about "programmers", they are the same plumbers, just with slightly different skills and tools. The programmer himself (ERP systems, if anyone says anything) with 25+ years of experience. I know - a lot, I can - everything, but I don't make global decisions myself. For it is fraught with .. sideways

      Well, then it means it's time to take power in their calloused proletarian programming hands. Article is a signal for revolution. I propose to organize shock detachments of programmers to capture important strategic objects. smile
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 January 2016 13: 50
        +2
        Quote: IS-80
        Well, then it means it's time to take power in their calloused proletarian programmer’s hands

        Abramovich and Co. will remain in power, no illusions needed request

        Quote: IS-80
        Article is a signal for revolution

        Article - IMHO BSK, I already said that.

        Quote: IS-80
        I propose to organize shock detachments of programmers to capture important strategic objects

        Do not pull against the guard of these objects .. not trained No.

        In general, he worked with various offices, from Ericsson and Honeywell, through all sorts of Tetrapaki-Salamander-Danones there, to our FSUEs where there is no Internet wink , and merchants that came from bandiuk sample 90s.

        Everywhere, do not believe me, there is Sat. And she is watching. So a programmer is just a workhorse. Where they direct, there they are lucky.

        My personal credo is the less I know (about the client’s business, in particular), the less I will have to deny later.

        Not invented by us, but for us (s)
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 23 January 2016 14: 14
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Everywhere, do not believe me, there is Sat. And she is watching.

          Which often is a crowd of vypredezhny, worthless, fuck unnecessary parasites. And yet so yes, vigilance. Well, in any case, they tell everyone so about themselves. laughing
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          So a programmer is just a workhorse. Where they direct, there they are lucky.

          Ndaaa, you are an unconscious programmer. You do not understand your important leading historical role.
          However, what else to expect from petty-bourgeois EPPeshnikov. How is Gorky
          EPPeshnik timidly hides
          body fat in the cliffs .. smile
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 23 January 2016 14: 33
            0
            Quote: IS-80
            Which often is a crowd of vypredezhny, worthless, fuck unnecessary parasites. And yet so yes,

            I have never met such people. In any case, in the listed offices - for sure.

            It’s quite competent, motorized guys. True, sometimes they interfere with work.

            Quote: IS-80
            Ndaaa, you are an unconscious programmer

            Yes absolutely drinks
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 23 January 2016 14: 46
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              It’s quite competent, motorized guys. True, sometimes they interfere with work.

              That you are probably too politically correct. smile
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Yes absolutely

              Nothing will come, and we will make of you the iron knight of the revolution, for this is historically inevitable. laughing drinks
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 23 January 2016 15: 25
                0
                Quote: IS-80
                the time will come and we will make of you the iron knight of the revolution

                I'll die earlier laughing

                Quote: IS-80
                for it is historically inevitable

                In-in ..
        2. Altona
          Altona 23 January 2016 14: 40
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Abramovich and Co. will remain in power, no illusions needed

          -------------------
          Social inequality will return us to Mao's formula "a rifle gives rise to power" and we will again spiral back to a series of social revolutions as it was in the third world countries of the 50-70s ...
          -----------------
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Article is a signal for revolution
          Article - IMHO BSK, I already said that.

          -----------------
          An article to simply identify causes and effects ...
    2. Altona
      Altona 23 January 2016 14: 35
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      PS: and there is no need here about "programmers", they are the same plumbers, just with slightly different skills and tools. The programmer himself (ERP systems, if anyone says anything) with 25+ years of experience.

      -------------------------
      It's not about programmers in general. A programmer is just a person describing an algorithm. Such a planning system will require a whole code to be written so that it does not serve any kind of oligarchs, and in general, oligarchs should be bracketed and simply, let's say, "annihilate" that is, to re-socialize, taking away their property and "brainwashing" by a forced method. Such a soft version of the civil war, so as not to destroy individuals.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 23 January 2016 14: 45
        0
        Quote: Altona
        For such a planning system, it will be necessary to prescribe a whole code

        Exactly. Only "prescribing" is not even half the battle, it is still necessary to somehow do so that the "prescribed" is strictly observed yes

        Quote: Altona
        it is necessary ... so that it does not serve all kinds of oligarchs

        In-in-in ...

        Quote: Altona
        in general, oligarchs should be bracketed and simply, well, let's say, "annihilate"

        belay

        Quote: Altona
        that is, to re-socialize, taking away their property and "brainwashing" in a forced way

        Ah-ah-ahh .. otherwise I really devil what I thought was .. "Annihilate the oligarchs", panimaish wink

        Quote: Altona
        Such a soft version of the civil war

        Utopia is everything. What kind of oligarch is willing to let himself be "socialized" ?? And involuntarily - welcome to that very civil war ..

        That's why I say - article - Bullshit. BSK.

        All IMHO, essno yes
  17. rkrp-vat
    rkrp-vat 23 January 2016 15: 00
    +2
    Those who value work as utopian communism are right. But this does not cross out its usefulness. The work leads to the fact that the existing system of social structure must be unambiguously changed.
    The question is - how?
    Classical Marxism answers this. Only by my own struggle.
    Get in the ranks of the fighting! MOUTH FRONT!
    1. palm
      palm 23 January 2016 17: 57
      0
      German leader comrade Schicklgruber supports communism and the struggle for rights
  18. iouris
    iouris 23 January 2016 15: 09
    +1
    Who said planning is the same as communism? Within a private corporation, everything is subject to a plan. Communism is a classless society, i.e. public ownership of the means of production and the distribution system of consumption. The economy of the United States and the "golden billion" is, in principle, based on unlimited consumption. Given the limited resources and uneven development of capitalism, there is a huge imbalance in the volume and quality of consumption in the world in favor of the "golden billion". hence the growth of poverty in the countries of the "South" and the expansion of the social base of terrorism.
    State planning in the United States was used by the F.D. Roosevelt administration to overcome the terrible crisis. Roosevelt not only studied Karl Marx's Capital, but also admired it. Hoover suspected him of communism, but today the United States implements not only state, but also supranational planning, programming and management at all levels, starting with the personal, and without building communism.
    Consequently, the development of the "North" and "South" is not only programmed by the uneven development of capitalism, but is also precisely planned by the global center. And this has to do not with communism, but with the super-corporation ZAO Zemlya. Today you can get accurate weather forecasts, but you can also control very complex processes, influence the climate, and cause natural disasters. The same is true in the socio-economic sphere.
  19. EvgNik
    EvgNik 23 January 2016 15: 26
    +2
    17. Advertising imposes on people goods and services that they do not need and often contradict their natural needs.

    Not only this. Do not forget that advertising a product increases the price of this product. And quite significantly. 10-20 times. It is especially enraging when they use it in order to increase the price of medicines. You can buy the advertised medicine for 400-500 rubles, or you can buy an analogue of the same for 10-20 rubles. Unless, of course, you know that such an analogue exists.
  20. palm
    palm 23 January 2016 18: 04
    +2
    ]
    Quote: iouris
    The economy of the United States and the "golden billion" is, in principle, based on unlimited consumption.

    communism is possible only when unlimited consumption is available to everyone
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 January 2016 21: 55
      0
      Forget about "unlimited" consumption. This has never been possible by definition.
      The problem of the USA and the EU lies in the fact that consumption should be limited, but a sharp restriction of consumption without war will be perceived negatively and can provoke violent unrest.
      In this sense, countries with relatively low levels of consumption and low population density are politically more stable, provided that external borders are protected. From this we can conclude that in the EU, and then in the United States, a sequestration of the population will be carried out, and the population of the poorest countries is at risk.
  21. epsilon571
    epsilon571 23 January 2016 22: 02
    0
    The totalitarianism in which we live leads to the complete destruction of all freedom, and liberal ideas with which many associate their lives are no longer in use. To avoid death it is necessary to move to a new level, the prerequisites for which are already visible today. We are on the verge of a new era, perhaps tomorrow the gates will close, which means it's time to make decisions. What will our future be like? The Cyber ​​Communism Manifesto that this article is talking about claims to be fantastic, let's trust the author. smile Well, that sounds quite romantic - why not!
  22. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 23 January 2016 23: 18
    -1
    Quote: Nikolai K
    You apparently did not understand the essence of the manifesto. The authors say that the current world is imperfect and unfair and suggest that the task of improving the world be set before the computer. A cyber machine will determine our needs and, in fact, be responsible for the resources distributed in the world, that is, the machine becomes the measure of justice. The computer is becoming a cyber deity.

    Dear, you said nonsense! A computer is not a deity, but a tool for achieving social equality! But under the conditions of modern imperialism, which disguises itself as a democracy that allows you to control peoples to achieve the goals of multinational corporations, the computer serves precisely the goals of oppressing a person, not his prosperity! That's what the author wanted to convey to you, and therefore no achievement of science and technology will serve the person as long as it is used for profit and only for this! In order for these achievements to benefit Man, rather than enslave him, it is necessary to change the vector of development of society, i.e. to the transition to socialism with the prospect of a communist society. Of course, for this it is necessary to overcome the animal instincts of man for individual survival and prosperity for the reasonable survival and development of Man as a rational species, and not just a consumer. This is the fundamental difference between the global model of capitalism and the idea of ​​global communism! hi
  23. Photon
    Photon 24 January 2016 01: 05
    +1
    I am very disappointed with the level of the article and the level of comments :-( A computer is a calculator. What you program will count. The question is what to count. On this occasion, brains are thoroughly dusted. The state of any complex system can be calculated only approximately. Those real state of the system - this is the solution found plus some function. Thus, state planning of the economy should be determined with reasonable accuracy. The rest should be made up by non-state forms of production.
    Actually, as I understand it, under Stalin it was about this. The basis is the state sector of the economy, and plus a fairly significant artel production. And computer computing ... yes, at least a hundred servings. Make any models and count.
    1. populist
      populist 24 January 2016 10: 47
      0
      Photon
      Thus, state economic planning should be determined with reasonable accuracy. The rest should be made up by non-state forms of production.
      Actually, as I understand it, under Stalin it was about this. The basis is the state sector of the economy, and plus a fairly significant artel production. And computer computing ... yes, at least a hundred servings. Make any models and count.

      In the Stalin period, most of the products the townspeople bought on collective farm markets. Artel production accounted for up to 8% of consumer goods. It is unlikely that with such an organization of production, cyber communism is possible.
    2. populist
      populist 24 January 2016 10: 50
      0
      Photon
      I am very disappointed with the level of the article and the level of comments

      I can share your impressions in terms of disappointment, but for me this disappointment does not have such great power for two reasons.
      1 The article is speculative in nature.
      In Marxist communism - "to each according to his needs." And the author cannot but know this basic position.
      Under cybercommunism, the machine or the people behind it impose all needs, conditions, capabilities, expediency, etc.
      Thus, the author deliberately distorts one of the basic principles of communism and makes this distortion for the sake of his utopia. And if it is absolutely exactly expressed, then for the sake of just one article and the desire to brainwash.
      2 We have rather little knowledge of Marxism in the part of communism, if we are talking about Marxian communism, and not about later stratifications.
      1. Photon
        Photon 24 January 2016 12: 36
        0
        You do not quite correctly understand "to each according to his needs". The needs must be reasonable. You might want, for example, a personal photon starship.
        The use of computers, as I said, does not solve anything for a person. And even more so does not impose. People solve and set tasks for programmers.
        And with the last paragraph I agree completely
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 24 January 2016 12: 02
      0
      Why the state of any complex system can be calculated only approximately. Is it true that in the world of current events "EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING DOES NOT DEFINED ITS PLACE AND SIGNIFICANCE" It is correct that in such a concept of the issue under consideration it is static, which means that you, like many others, see only the present, which you associate with reality. But if we consider in dynamics, which means in the interrelation of causes and consequences, then the so-called. reality is very short-lived and changeable. Therefore, any decision as an answer is already an illusion, if only because I wrote this information and passed it on to you, and during this time a transformation of the whole set of transforming events took place. In principle, I like the approach itself, I don't like it. upset and satisfied, this is already an oil painting, not reality. In reality, it has no definition of "good or bad"
  24. populist
    populist 24 January 2016 14: 06
    0
    Photon
    You do not quite correctly understand "to each according to his needs". The needs must be reasonable. You might want, for example, a personal photon starship.

    And where is the term "reasonable needs" used by Marx-Engels?
    The needs of people will never be reasonable. Someone wants a personal photon starship, and the other wants to be a poet, and the third wants to live in a resort, etc.
    The use of computers, as I said, does not solve anything for a person. And even more so does not impose. People solve and set tasks for programmers.

    These people will determine; Is there enough tissue for 3.5 per person (China cult roar) or can I add a little more.
  25. populist
    populist 24 January 2016 14: 07
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    From the whole theory of communism (Marxism) they took one production component, hyperbolized it and gave it out for all communism. In fact, in the theory of com, there are many other equally important components. These are such parts as the organization of industrial relations, education, development, family relations, etc.
    In the case of cyber communism, the theory itself was profaned.