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Media: the cost of transit of Russian gas through Ukraine may increase 3 times

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This year, the rate of gas transit from the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian territory can grow from $ 2,73 to $ 4,07 per one thousand cubic meters for every 100 km, and taking into account the calculation methodology approved by Kiev, the cost of pumping fuel for Gazprom can be $ 7,91, transfers RIA News message Ukrainian resource "Energy Market".




Earlier in the "Naftogaz" stated that Kiev "radically increased the tariff rate for the transit of Russian gas."

“If the average tariff for the transit of thousands of cubic meters of Russian gas per 100 kilometers under the current contract in 2015 amounted to 2,73 dollars, then from 2016, its size will increase to 4,07 dollars per thousand cubic meters for every 100 kilometers. Taking into account the introduction (1 of January) of value-added tax on transit services in the amount of 20% by Ukraine, transporting thousands of cubic meters of Russian gas to 100 kilometers will cost Gazprom almost a 4,9 dollar, ”the newspaper writes.

In addition, "the methodology for calculating the cost of transit is directly linked to the volume of pumping." Kiev requires the Russian side to book the maximum amount of pumping in the amount of 110 billion cubic meters per year, that is, the amount specified in the contract from 2009,

“If we proceed from the actual transit volumes over the past year, and these are 64 billion cubic meters, then, for example, when transit to 60 billion cubic meters (this year), the actual cost of transporting thousands of cubic meters of gas per 100 kilometers will cost Gazprom 6,56 dollars ... With the tax (value added, VAT) the tariff will increase to 7,91 dollar .... As a result, the annual amount of payment by Russia for transit could grow from 2 to 6 billions of dollars ",
writes a resource.

The author of the article notes that Gazprom categorically disagrees with such “arithmetic”. At the end of 2015, the heads of Naftogaz and Gazprom agreed to meet in the third decade of January and discuss in detail the conditions for gas transit. However, confirmation that this meeting will take place, to date, no.
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  1. Alexei
    Alexei 19 January 2016 08: 31 New
    37
    If Europeans have damn money, then please - raise it. 2 Nord Stream, when will you descend with a cold shower on the near rulers of small powers? crying
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 January 2016 08: 34 New
      32
      Quote: Alexej
      If Europeans have damn money, then please - raise it.



      The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 19 January 2016 08: 38 New
        21
        Kiev requires the Russian side to reserve a maximum pumping volume of 110 billion cubic meters per year, that is, the volume specified in the contract of 2009.

        Well then, Ukraine should switch to the “take or pay” gas payment formula, and not pay only for the amount of gas purchased.
        Interestingly, and for reverse gas supplies from Europe to Ukraine, will there also be the same transit prices?
        1. star44
          star44 19 January 2016 12: 18 New
          +3
          Already done!!!

          MOSCOW, Jan 19 - RIA News. Gazprom on Tuesday sent Naftogaz Ukrainy an invoice to pay for gas not selected by a Ukrainian company in the third quarter of 2015 on a take-or-pay basis, the Russian company said ...


          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20160119/1361761799.html#ixzz3xgEkSwZB
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 19 January 2016 08: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: cniza
        The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.

        Consequently, Europe will have a choice whether to buy at an inflated price or to buy elsewhere. But do not forget that transportation from another place is also not a cheap deal.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 January 2016 09: 47 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexej
          that transportation from another place is also not a cheap thing

          Of course, not at all cheap.

          In our region, for example, there is a trunk pipeline from Siberia to the West. There is a regional department "Transgas". His boss just bought a few kilometers of the pipeline laid at the beginning of the 80's and quietly receives an increase in salary. And what, one asks, does it relate to the pipeline? Did he buy these pipes? He cooked them, laid them? No, he's just the director of Transgaz ...

          If every kilometer of the gas pipeline, so the local bosses will take it for rent, the stump is clear, transportation will not be cheap ...
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 19 January 2016 10: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            And what, one wonders, is it related to the pipeline? Did he buy these pipes? He cooked them, laid them?

            You just wrote yourself: “For example, we have through the region a trunk pipeline from Siberia to the West. There is a regional department, Transgaz. Its head is simply bought several kilometers of the pipeline. "
            And then write: "And what, one asks, does it relate to the pipeline? Did he buy these pipes?"
            So bought or not bought, i.e. appropriated, you decide somehow?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 19 January 2016 11: 48 New
              +4
              Quote: Алексей_К
              His boss just bought a few kilometers of the pipeline. "
              And then write: "And what, one asks, does it relate to the pipeline? Did he buy these pipes?"
              So bought or not bought, i.e. appropriated, you decide somehow?
              Formally - I bought it. For the price of three tons of scrap metal. But the federal pipeline was not put up for public auction. Maybe I would also buy 20-30 meters. laughing So I’m not the head of Transgaz, a structural subdivision of the state (73% of shares), mind you, Gazprom ... Also, the gas pipeline is operational (and still acting!) And at the price of “scrap metal” (not even "secondary" or "restored" pipes!) cannot be sold well. I can’t, you can’t. And he can.

              I do not gobble that a man has grabbed an extra penny. Do not gobble that he grabbed, but I did not get it. It makes me angry that he grabbed someone else’s, made with the wrong hands, not belonging to him. And, besides, perhaps the very penny that he stole would not be enough for any defense factory or kindergarten. Of course, I’m not so naive as to think that all these pennies go to the budget and are spent correctly, but still ...
          2. Rostov
            Rostov 19 January 2016 12: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            His boss just bought a few kilometers of the pipeline laid in the early 80's

            Can you provide evidence that he bought just a few kilometers of the pipeline, and not Transgaz shares? By type of activity, ONF people turn to me for legal advice. If, apart from words, provide at least some evidence, I’ll ask you to check. But for now, what you wrote is equivalent - I bought several kilometers of the state border. On whose balance are these pipes?
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 19 January 2016 13: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Rostov
              Can you provide evidence that he bought just a few kilometers of the pipeline, and not Transgaz shares?

              Exactly kilometers, not stocks. Many people have shares there, who have been working for Gazprom for 25-30 years. But a pipe of its own and getting from it for transit is not allowed for everyone ...

              The man who told me this himself works at Transgaz. It’s not the first ten years, there’s not much left until retirement, I just stuck the children there. Not a top manager, so the head of the department. Something connected with the pipes. We know each other and have been friends for 35 years. You understand, neither he wants to be substituted, nor do I have a desire to surrender him.

              Naturally, I myself can’t say where these pipes lie - I was not interested, but somewhere on the territory of the Volga section "Urengoy - Pomary - Uzhgorod". They say that inside Gazprom such information is not painful and is hiding ... Business and all that ...
      3. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 19 January 2016 09: 12 New
        13
        Quote: cniza
        The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.

        The transit price is fixed in the agreement and if Gazprom does not agree to change these conditions, then nothing will happen or Ukraine will violate the agreement, which will not speak in its favor as a transit country, and will give a loan.
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 19 January 2016 09: 24 New
          +6
          Exactly, let Ukraine sue. Maybe by 2019 the court will decide something, and then the transit contract will end.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 January 2016 09: 37 New
          14
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          The transit price is fixed in the contract and if Gazprom does not agree to change these conditions, then there will be nothing or Ukraine will violate the contract, which will not speak in its favor as a transit country,

          As far as I was interested in this topic, Ukraine has never really received this money. They were always deducted from the price of gas.

          Simple and elegant move - to pay for transit as much as Kiev asks. By including this amount, of course, in the price of gas for Europe. And Ukraine doesn’t sell gas FOR ANY MONEY. Let Tseevropa heat with tires.

          Somewhere in the Book of Fates it says we MUST sell gas to everyone who needs it? Without hiding behind foggy language, openly say: "We don’t like you, you have Bandera coming, you’ve put things in order and therefore we simply don’t want to trade with you." Who's bothering? "Tamjelyudy" freeze?

          Mayor Genicheska showed everyone what kindness to "customs people" turns into. It turns out that we simply store Ukrainian gas reserves. And also the American strategic oil and black caviar reserves? fool
          1. 341712
            341712 19 January 2016 12: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            It turns out that we simply store Ukrainian gas reserves. And also the American strategic oil and black caviar reserves?


            Nuuu ... so we are a kind of cross between a gas bottle and a refrigerator, which suddenly rebelled and still strives to drive through the wort and to break fingers with a valve ...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 19 January 2016 13: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: 341712
              Nuuu ... so we are a kind of cross between a gas bottle and a refrigerator, which suddenly rebelled and still strives to drive through the wort and to break fingers with a valve ...

              It will be necessary - we will break both the tinsel and the fingers, and pinch the balls with the door. Jumping ... The main thing is not to try to make yourself look good - no one will appreciate it. People understand, respect and value only power.
        3. Hariva
          Hariva 19 January 2016 10: 48 New
          0
          [/ Quote]
          that will speak not in her favor as a transit country, and will give a prident. [/ quote]
          Who are precedents scaring now?
        4. AlexTires
          AlexTires 19 January 2016 11: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          if Gazprom does not agree to change these conditions, then nothing will happen or Ukraine will violate the agreement,

          If in 404 they think that they are the geniuses of arbitration jurisprudence - then they are in the hands of the flag !!! hi
        5. beer-youk
          beer-youk 19 January 2016 15: 49 New
          +1
          The recipient of this product pays for the transit of any product. This is an axiom. Unless otherwise expressly specified in the contract, the supplier - or a goof by definition or something from this contract raped!
      4. kuz363
        kuz363 19 January 2016 09: 22 New
        -1
        But the EU is not interested in whether it is cost-effective or not. These conditions should have been included in gas supply contracts. Gazprom does not supply gas because of its transit losses - it will pay a penalty for the interruption of supplies, usually in the amount of the cost of undelivered gas. Most likely, it will be cheaper to incur losses for the payment of transit, and these are mainly contracts until the 20's. And to Italy before 2035.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 19 January 2016 10: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: kuz363
          But the EU is not interested in whether it is cost-effective or not. These conditions should have been included in gas supply contracts. Gazprom does not supply gas because of its transit losses - it will pay a penalty for the interruption of supplies, usually in the amount of the cost of undelivered gas. Most likely, it will be cheaper to incur losses for the payment of transit, and these are mainly contracts until the 20's. And to Italy before 2035.

          When Europe imposed sanctions, no one looked at the breakdown of treaties and contracts. Everyone didn’t give a damn about it.
          Russia must also act and call it sanctions. We must again increase gas prices from 200 dollars to 400 dollars for 1000 cubic meters. meters of gas. Do not want to buy, let them buy from America at 2 times more expensive.
      5. meriem1
        meriem1 19 January 2016 09: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Alexej
        If Europeans have damn money, then please - raise it.



        The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.


        It will become unprofitable after the end of the existing contract !!!! Naftogaz will not be able to unilaterally change the price of transportation without the approval of Gazprom. And then, there will be Nord Stream, it will not. Europeans have long been told, “We won’t swing through Ukraine anymore. Solve this issue ourselves” That's why such a screech is worth it. Therefore, Merkel is fussing and almost agrees on everything. No one is going to freeze over Ukrov !!!
      6. Vend
        Vend 19 January 2016 09: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Alexej
        If Europeans have damn money, then please - raise it.

        The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.

        Well, not really like that. Ukraine raises transit prices, Russia raises prices for buyers, the EU raises prices for reverse gas for Ukraine. Svidomo do not understand simple mathematics. The west will not allow them to raise prices.
      7. vic58
        vic58 19 January 2016 09: 51 New
        0
        Sorry, the formula: OFFER / DEMAND + force majeure =
        After all, no one knew that ...
      8. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 19 January 2016 10: 13 New
        +7
        Quote: cniza
        The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.

        The planned gas price for Europe is 200 dollars for 1000 cubic meters. meters. Of these, only 8 dollars Ukraine wants to make money for itself. Well, there will be 208 dollars for 1000 cube. meters, not planned 205. What's wrong with the extra 3 dollars for 1000 cu. meters of gas.

        But it’s time to abandon binding to petroleum products long ago. Our country is a "manufacturer" of gas. We must set the price ourselves, depending on the needs of this gas. Europe must be brought to its knees, and not crawled before them.

        I believe that in all these gas companies, management is sheer traitors to Russia. They themselves have lowered the price of gas from 400 dollars to 200, and now everyone is howling from some extra 3 dollars for an 1000 cab. meters of gas.
        It is necessary to change the terms of contracts and increase gas prices, and not whine. And these will be our additional sanctions to all who hate Russia!
      9. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 19 January 2016 10: 35 New
        +4
        ..... The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products ...

        .... The price is determined not by Wishlist, but by the current agreement of 2009 .... Under this agreement, the "brothers" should by the way for the shortfall of about 20 with tail lard .... Now it all depends on the fortress of Faberge of Gazprom (stand on their own) .... As for me - I do not like it, do not download (transit) ..... It should be the smut of Europe, and not ours .... hi
    2. Cheshire
      Cheshire 19 January 2016 08: 46 New
      +6
      A blessing in disguise. good This will be a good advertisement for the South Stream project for countries that have forgotten the gas wars of late 2000.
      hi
      1. alllll
        alllll 19 January 2016 09: 38 New
        +3
        These countries have contracts with Gazprom; they will receive gas at a contractual price or forfeit. Germany will win in all this, because it will close the holes in supplies from the pipe of the northern stream. Moreover, it will close at the expense of Gazprom, which will pay a penalty for disruption of supplies. Gazprom loses in any situation, it’s time to start a business with Ukraine.
        1. kryuger.mark
          kryuger.mark 19 January 2016 10: 31 New
          0
          How do you tie if the transit contract is up to 2019?
      2. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 13: 59 New
        0
        will not be "Israeli stream " everything goes to this and very successfully
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 January 2016 08: 51 New
      +6
      Media: the cost of transit of Russian gas through Ukraine may increase 3 times

      This is a change in the terms of delivery through the fault of the transit. So, we must assign any increase to the European consumer. Until we begin to beat the stubborn Euro-humans with the ruble, Banderstat will profit from our gas and European stupidity.
    4. Pig
      Pig 19 January 2016 09: 43 New
      +4
      "" that is, the amount specified in the contract of 2009. ""
      these clowns refer to a contract that they themselves call "not lawful" and violate as soon as possible))) and even sued ....
      Yes, the wrong country was called Honduras ...
    5. mihasik
      mihasik 19 January 2016 09: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexej
      If Europeans have damn money, then please - raise it. 2 Nord Stream, when will you descend with a cold shower on the near rulers of small powers? crying

      This is another "bullet", stuffing! If only the nerves to the people in the morning to "cheer up"!
      The gas transit contract was signed inclusively until 2019. Rates are approved according to the gas price formula. And the fact that someone in Banderland wants to "cut the dough" in transit by raising rates (in violation of the contract), well ... I also dream of a lot fellow
    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz 19 January 2016 12: 09 New
      0
      I wonder how they are going to do this? They have an agreement until 2019.
    7. avdkrd
      avdkrd 19 January 2016 13: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Alexej
      If Europeans have damn money, then please - raise it. 2 Nord Stream, when will you descend with a cold shower on the near rulers of small powers?

      Yes, the brains of the rulers of the holders may even be all right, another thing is that they are at work and cannot act and speak contrary to the instructions of the employer. As they put it this way, they’ll take it off, and not just take it off, but they will put it on a stake or hang at best. So the only thing that remains to this gang of buggers is to strictly comply with the orders of the Washington Regional Committee, not paying attention to the destruction of their own country. They all understand, and that such decisions are another nail in the coffin of Ukraine and about the loss of business reputation and that most likely the increase in the transit price will fall on the final consumer (Europe). The cold shower for them will be the news that America no longer needs them when they get rid of them like a used condom. all the prerequisites for this already exist - and Europe "suddenly" started talking about war crimes in the Donbass, and Poroshenko is no longer a beacon of democracy and Yaytsenyuk is a cocaine addict and embezzler. Everything goes to the drain and all this fraternity (through pi) is climbing out of his skin to prove his usefulness.
  2. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 19 January 2016 08: 31 New
    15
    And then they are surprised that we want to bypass gas pipelines in Banderstat.
    1. Greyhound famously
      Greyhound famously 19 January 2016 09: 29 New
      -6
      And what you saw is strange. I’m a rosian and not a fan of the current government in Kiev, but nonetheless ... If our, Russian, manufacturers with the help of their state began to slowly learn to defend their rights and protect their interests, which causes quite a bit of irritation in the West, then why the same can not do Ukraine? There is a contract ... it stipulates the minimum transit volume, which allows the GTS to be cost-effective ... as far as you can understand from the article, Russia does not provide this minimum flow.
      So why can the Ukrainian side not cover the costs that are not profitable at the expense of the party that does not comply with the contract?
      Russia, if it wants to refuse Ukrainian transit, let it refuse. In the meantime, who can say that the Ukrainian side will agree to work at a loss?
      Having learned to defend our interests, irritating others, we must learn to respect the right of others to do the same, even if it annoys us already.
      1. user1212
        user1212 19 January 2016 10: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Grizzly Dashing
        There is a contract ... it stipulates the minimum transit volume, which allows the GTS to be cost-effective ... as far as you can understand from the article, Russia does not provide this minimum flow.

        Indicate the clause of the transit contract in which it is stipulated. I did not find something
        Quote: Grizzly Dashing
        So why can the Ukrainian side not cover the costs that are not profitable at the expense of the party that does not comply with the contract?

        1. What clause of the contract of the Russian Federation does not comply?
        2. The transit fee is stipulated in Article 8 and does not contain such a variable as “profitability of the Ukrainian GTS”
        Quote: Grizzly Dashing
        who said that the Ukrainian side would agree to work at a loss?

        The contract concluded. By the way, where did you get the idea that transit is unprofitable?
        Quote: Grizzly Dashing
        Having learned to defend our interests, irritating others, we must learn to respect the right of others to do the same, even if it annoys us already.

        The contract stipulates the procedure for resolving disputes (Article 12). The desire of the left heel of Poroshenko is not mentioned there
        1. Greyhound famously
          Greyhound famously 19 January 2016 11: 39 New
          -4
          except the last - taken from the article.
          According to the latter, where is it written in the contract that Ukraine cannot change the cost of transit? Or where does the article say that she did this in violation of an existing contract?
          I do not like? Go there - to the arbitration court. And there’s nothing to build of a resentful youngster who doesn’t know that this is how things are done
  3. cniza
    cniza 19 January 2016 08: 32 New
    +6
    In addition, "the methodology for calculating the cost of transit is directly linked to the volume of pumping." Kiev requires the Russian side to book the maximum amount of pumping in the amount of 110 billion cubic meters per year, that is, the amount specified in the contract from 2009,



    Wanting is not harmful, as soon as everyone will refuse services and build the Nord Stream 2.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 19 January 2016 08: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      Wanting is not harmful, as soon as everyone will refuse services and build the Nord Stream 2.

      The actions of the Ukrainian authorities will once again push European companies to ensure that Nord Stream-2 is necessary, moreover, in the shortest possible time. But in the end, transit through the territory of Ukraine will fall from the current 60 billion cubic meters. m per year, to zero!
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 19 January 2016 08: 34 New
    +4
    And what is written in the current contract?
    1. SSR
      SSR 19 January 2016 09: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Pereira
      And what is written in the current contract?

      And on which of the treaties do ukrovlasti not make violations? )))) they say the perfect saying
      - The law is not written to fools.

      The law is not written to fools, If it is written, it is not read, If it is read, it is not understood, If it is understood, then it is not so.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 January 2016 10: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Pereira
      And what is written in the current contract?

      But really ... is there a contract text available for free?
  5. bronik
    bronik 19 January 2016 08: 34 New
    +6
    Let the EU pay Ukraine’s Wishlist.
  6. Brutal
    Brutal 19 January 2016 08: 35 New
    +4
    That's who Europeans need to impose sanctions on! For greed unrestrained. Or, swallow, in the name of supporting the "young democracy" ?!
  7. SAM 5
    SAM 5 19 January 2016 08: 35 New
    +5
    And why not shift this service (transit) to a geyropu?
  8. izya top
    izya top 19 January 2016 08: 35 New
    12
    breach of contract by one party is force majeure? turn off the valve to hell, let the Europeans themselves with stubborn fun
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 19 January 2016 08: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: iza top
      breach of contract by one party is not force majeure?

      Force majeure refers to force majeure circumstances, such as natural disasters, earthquakes, military operations, etc. The idiocy and greed of the counterparty does not apply to such circumstances; therefore, such disputes are resolved in courts of relevant competence.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 19 January 2016 08: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Force majeure refers to force majeure circumstances, such as natural disasters, earthquakes, military operations, etc. The idiocy and greed of the counterparty does not apply to such circumstances.

        Excuse me! The counterparty idiocy is precisely the most “natural disaster” for the other parties to the contract. And according to this, this fucked up counter-agent should be exponentially thrown out of the tripartite agreement, and pipes built around the territory of the inspection should be built-this dictates common sense and economic feasibility. It remains to make the Europeans feel this in their own skin.
  9. mpzss
    mpzss 19 January 2016 08: 36 New
    +2
    they are trying to squeeze the last crumbs until there is no other alternative, but I hope that Gazprom will still build its new pipelines!
  10. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 19 January 2016 08: 40 New
    +1
    While this old pipe is in use, let them raise it! What does it say about linking transit prices and prices for end consumers? Hidden investment egeheyropy in dill?
  11. 31rus
    31rus 19 January 2016 08: 42 New
    10
    Dear ones, we ourselves have put ourselves in a "pose for intercourse", once again about gas, the lack of a clear policy towards Ukraine leads the latter to act "I want to do something."
  12. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 19 January 2016 08: 44 New
    +3
    Before they had time to get into the EU, Hohland had already begun to spoil them, because the geyrope would have to pay for gas transit.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 January 2016 08: 46 New
    +6
    Kiev “has radically increased the rate of transit for Russian gas.”

    We give them discounts or help poor Ukrainians, they are what we should expect from nationalist state leaders. Sami spoiled this hostile government, and themselves to disentangle.
  14. solovey
    solovey 19 January 2016 08: 46 New
    +3
    When is it all over what ?
  15. sl22277
    sl22277 19 January 2016 08: 47 New
    +2
    I think prices will rise for Europe too. Raise prices in accordance with the price of transportation, and let the EU deal with the Ukrainians themselves.
    1. VeterS
      VeterS 19 January 2016 08: 56 New
      +5
      The transit price is included in the total gas price for Europe. Ukraine’s increase in the pumping price in no way affects Europe, however, it is clear that in this case Gazprom’s revenues are minimized. This is precisely the value of Nord Stream, which is practically not included in the total price of gas for Europe. Which significantly increases the profit from sales.
      1. sl22277
        sl22277 19 January 2016 09: 10 New
        +2
        Then this should speed up the construction of Nord Stream-2 at times. Ukraine is digging a hole for itself .. The current power of Ukropia is a “liquidation team” from the point of view of the economy, social sphere and even “the state as a holistic entity,” because there are no prerequisites for a bright future ..
        1. VeterS
          VeterS 19 January 2016 12: 03 New
          +1
          You are right, accelerating the construction of SP-2 in Russia is only beneficial. But part of Europe, who is smarter, is not without interest. Notice how Poland "bangs its head against the AP wall." With the launch of SP-2, it, like Ukraine, is losing significant profits. It will also lose such a freebie in the form of payment for transit.
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 19 January 2016 09: 27 New
        0
        Yes, apparently the additional payment for transit will fall on Gazprom, respectively, and profit will fall
  16. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 January 2016 08: 51 New
    11
    [quote = СРЦ П-15] [quote] Kiev requires the Russian side to reserve a maximum pumping volume of 110 billion cubic meters per year, that is, the volume specified in the contract of 2009. [/ quote]
    Well then, Ukraine should switch to the “take or pay” gas payment formula, and not pay only for the amount of gas purchased.
    Absolutely true!
    ..... Ukraine, in fact, has never bought as much gas from Gazprom as it promised to buy in the contract of 2009. For a long time Russia looked at it through her fingers, only fixing fines for gas shortages. However, patience is over: Gazprom is suing Stockholm. The total debt of Naftogaz to Gazprom has grown to $ 29,5 billion ...... (15.05.15/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    I would like to see a tougher policy of "Gazprom" in relation to Ukraine !!!!
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 19 January 2016 09: 31 New
      0
      The practice of such courts on a take-or-pay basis shows that the Stockholm court always takes the buyer's side and does not take this principle into account, although it is spelled out in the contract. Such courts won the Baltic states, Poland and others.
  17. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 19 January 2016 08: 52 New
    +5
    It is doubtful that a geyropa will pay for raising tariffs for transporting gas through Khokhlyaniya! The gas price for the EU under the Treaty is fixed at the gas transmission point, and this is the border of Krajina and the EU. And all transportation costs are borne by the Russian Federation. Otherwise, hohlopiteks would not raise the price of transit. Everything is agreed by them with the Masters. And it is directed against Russia !!! There is no third...
    And the term of the Agreement ends in 2019 year. It may be cheaper to break it!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 January 2016 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: ibu355yandex.ru
      It may be cheaper to break it!

      Estessno! Trading at a loss is contrary to all market laws taken together. I think yes! Break the contract and tighten the valve, warning the geyrop in advance. That's when the movement will go in terms of building new bypass routes for the delivery of Russian gas. And so, only one balance sheet and losses for Gazprom.
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 19 January 2016 09: 29 New
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      It will not be cheaper. Calculate the cost of gas until 2019 - this will be the fine for Gazprom for disrupting gas supplies and violating the contract.
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 14: 06 New
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        you forget that under the contract we are obliged to transfer gas at the EU border, a specific transfer point is not indicated, so let them receive gas at the border between Finland and Germany, what kind of forfeit are we talking about?
  18. vobels
    vobels 19 January 2016 08: 53 New
    0
    When they create the SRA (Union of Republics of Ukraine).
  19. Stinger
    Stinger 19 January 2016 08: 54 New
    +4
    The recipe is simple. Raise the price of gas received by Europe through Ukraine by the same amount and lower gas prices for the Nord Stream. And let the mosquito sing over this grave.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 January 2016 09: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      The recipe is simple. Raise the price of gas received by Europe through Ukraine by the same amount and lower gas prices for the Nord Stream. And let the mosquito sing over this grave.

      There, a tripartite supply agreement through Banderstat is artfully registered. Lawyers have to work. It just won’t work out that way.
  20. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 19 January 2016 08: 55 New
    +2
    Damn, what to do with the sun, it also transits from Ukraine to the west through Ukraine. A joke of humor to this idiocy.
  21. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 19 January 2016 08: 57 New
    +2
    Quickly, Nord Stream-2 would be launched. Ukraine understands perfectly well the consequences of this - you won’t last long on the reverse, and pi ----- gas will not work during transit anymore, and there will be no income from gas transportation .... like that
    1. anfil
      anfil 19 January 2016 09: 36 New
      0
      There are still many kicking.

      Poland, which opposes the construction of the second line of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, intends to appeal to the European Commission, Polish President Andrzej Duda said at a press conference in Brussels.

      Earlier, he said that Poland does not agree with investments in the construction of the gas pipeline, considers the project political, unprofitable from the point of view of the economy.

      "(Nord Stream-2 - Ed.) Strikes interests in the energy sector not only of Poland, but also of Ukraine ... In this regard, we are going to appeal to the European Commission," said Duda.
  22. Neko75
    Neko75 19 January 2016 08: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: ibu355yandex.ru
    It is doubtful that a geyropa will pay for raising tariffs for transporting gas through Khokhlyaniya! The gas price for the EU under the Treaty is fixed at the gas transmission point, and this is the border of Krajina and the EU. And all transportation costs are borne by the Russian Federation. Otherwise, hohlopiteks would not raise the price of transit. Everything is agreed by them with the Masters. And it is directed against Russia !!! There is no third...
    And the term of the Agreement ends in 2019 year. It may be cheaper to break it!

    It certainly will not fall on Russia. Under the agreement, the price of transit cannot increase without the agreement of three parties - the seller, the buyer and the one who transits. If one of the participants violates the contract, then at the discretion of the other parties, penalties are applied or the contract is terminated.
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 January 2016 08: 58 New
    +2
    Nezalezhniki from the last forces try to shit under the door. Already nothing, but pushing, already eyes on his forehead. Yes, we will survive these "jumped".
  24. kenig1
    kenig1 19 January 2016 09: 11 New
    +1
    For this reason, we will increase the price for Europe and reverse gas for the Maidan will also increase. fellow
  25. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 January 2016 09: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Nezalezhniki from the last forces try to shit under the door. Already nothing, but pushing, already eyes on his forehead. Yes, we will survive these "jumped".

    ........ A dangerous infectious disease, A (H1N1) or swine flu in Russia was brought in from Ukraine. This was stated by the Minister of Health of the Russian Federation Veronika Skvortsova, while in Kaliningrad on a working visit ......... They know how to spoil!
  26. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 January 2016 09: 25 New
    +3
    I expected more stupid news from the country where I still live. But I did not know that so soon. fool
  27. anfil
    anfil 19 January 2016 09: 37 New
    +2
    Rosneft sells its network of gas stations in Ukraine to Swiss Glusco Energy SA, OilNews reports citing its own sources in the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine (AMCU).

    "An application was submitted on January 4, buyer of Glusco Energy SA, Switzerland," the source quoted his interlocutor. RN-Ukraine (coordinates the activities of the Rosneft gas station network in Ukraine) and the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine do not comment on the situation.

    The network of Rosneft gas stations in Ukraine has an 141 facility in the 12 regions of the country operating under the trademarks of Formula, TNK, Golden Cheetah, Smile.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 19 January 2016 12: 46 New
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      Further, what? Oil, whose will be Shvetsarskaya?
  28. Dam
    Dam 19 January 2016 09: 55 New
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    This is the rationale for Nord Stream 2
  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 January 2016 09: 56 New
    +3
    Another reason to go to court. There are no reasons to increase the payment for transit. This statement of ukropiteks only confirms the correctness of the termination in 19 of any relations on gas transit with all the ensuing.
  30. Flinky
    Flinky 19 January 2016 10: 13 New
    -1
    Hospadya, well, the stink is ... But didn’t think that all this chatter is for internal use?
  31. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 19 January 2016 10: 43 New
    +3
    People, what are you tearing asses here? They spit on us from a high bell tower. Our traders will give everything for a ruble, it’s still in their pocket. In a dying US, gasoline dropped to 10-17 rubles, I emphasize once again - Ruble per liter, and they will raise it again (you can google for the price). Where is the "reprisal" with the Turks? They spat on us and spit on us, they kill me with tomatoes. There is one noodle with praise. People’s enemies give five forecasts every day against everyone and the country, but the Sun praises them for their excellent work. Where is the limit of bullying the country? Shame and disgrace.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 19 January 2016 12: 32 New
      +8
      Why go so far, America is over the hail. The Bulgarian fuel market was divided by two companies OMV (Austria) and Lukoil (Russia). Lukoil in Bulgaria has an oil refinery and about 200 gas stations. Since 2014, in connection with a drop in oil prices, Lukoil has lowered gas prices from 2,6 leva to 1.94 leva per liter, somewhere by 23%. In Russia, during this time, prices for Lukoil increased by 20%. The math is simple.
      They promise that gasoline will rise in price by the spring, just in time for the sowing season. The theater of the absurd, not the economy.
  32. iouris
    iouris 19 January 2016 11: 04 New
    0
    Ha ha ha "Ukraine" buys cheap Gazprom gas in Slovakia, after taking the money for transit. It turns out cheaply and angrily.
    By the way, gas is not "Russian", but "Gazprom" (flies exist separately from cutlets).
  33. AlexTires
    AlexTires 19 January 2016 11: 21 New
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    The final price of gas includes the cost of transit, more expensive transit - more expensive gas ... The end user, that is, the EU, will pay as always, and for this Ukraine will not be patted on the head, but on the ass. The end of the story.
  34. Evgeni
    Evgeni 19 January 2016 11: 31 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: cniza
    The price is determined by the formula and tied to petroleum products, it will simply become unprofitable transit through Ukraine.

    The planned gas price for Europe is 200 dollars for 1000 cubic meters. meters. Of these, only 8 dollars Ukraine wants to make money for itself. Well, there will be 208 dollars for 1000 cube. meters, not planned 205. What's wrong with the extra 3 dollars for 1000 cu. meters of gas.



    somewhere you forgot to calculate the length of the pipe in Ukraine, it is not 100km :)
  35. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 January 2016 11: 37 New
    +2
    Tired of all this oil and gas mess.
    It’s time for Russia to come to its senses and stop being a gas station.
    The economic aspect of the fast high profitability of hydrocarbon exports has proven to be bankrupt. A gas pipe makes the Russian state a vassal of consumers. Tomorrow, the Russian Federation, as a real slave, will be obliged not only to supply energy resources free of charge, but also to pay extra for this.
    It would seem that those who believe that the USSR collapsed because of $ 15 oil prices, when creating a new state, they should have foreseen risks from an economy based on the export of raw materials and energy resources.
    But either the supporters of this point of view do not believe their words, or they don’t value the state, but they didn’t draw any conclusions.
    The first bell rang in 2008: how clearly then did the fall in oil prices and the Ossetian conflict coincide, but those in power were not puzzled again.
    And so, please, as soon as Russia grabbed the USA’s hand, which took up the destruction of another state in the BV (remember before Syria it was the SFRY, Iraq, Libya, which ceased to be independent states in fact, turning into hotbeds of military conflict), how Ukraine came to power fascists-Bandera, oil rapidly rolled down, carrying with it the economy of the Russian Federation.
    Now it’s clear that these are not random coincidences, but a pattern.
    And the country must defend itself, for it is a kind of economic war in which all countries that integrate into the international economy without fail participate. And there’s only one way out
    1) there should be an intrastate segment of the economy, independent from the outside and not integrated into international relations, at least, this is defense, food.
    2) the share of hydrocarbon exports in the country's budget should be reduced as much as possible; investing in the development of an international network of hydrocarbon pipelines is not reasonable; this makes the country dependent, dependence will be aggravated, such are the laws of competition in international business, grab and strangle for any weak spot. This is the law of capitalism, nothing personal.
    But again the same thing happens: the tops either don’t think, or they don’t value the state, or they don’t believe their own words.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 19 January 2016 13: 38 New
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      Quote: olimpiada15
      Tomorrow, the Russian Federation, as a real slave, will be obliged not only to supply energy resources free of charge, but also to pay extra for this.

      It happened before. By production sharing agreement. Putin is credited that he buried this agreement and that oil and gas money went to the budget.
  36. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 19 January 2016 12: 00 New
    -1
    Interestingly, and for reverse gas supplies from Europe to Ukraine, will there also be the same transit prices?

    They subtract the cost of transit from the price of transit gas (bastard from their tricks, and the minus-transit transit rate goes into your pocket through Naftagaz. The cost of gas does not change - this is the arithmetic.
  37. kapitan92
    kapitan92 19 January 2016 12: 20 New
    +5
    Quote: kuz363
    The practice of such courts on a take-or-pay basis shows that the Stockholm court always takes the buyer's side and does not take this principle into account, although it is spelled out in the contract. Such courts won the Baltic states, Poland and others.

    ........ Gazprom sent NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy an invoice for payment of gas not selected by a Ukrainian company in the third quarter of 2015 under a take-or-pay condition for $ 2,549 billion, the company said in a statement. .

    The company notes that in accordance with the gas purchase and sale contract between Gazprom and Naftogaz Ukrainy, the buyer is required to pay a minimum annual amount of gas annually. Based on the terms of the contract, the minimum annual amount in the III quarter of 2015 amounted to 10,485 billion cubic meters of gas ...... 19.01.16/XNUMX/XNUMX
    You're right! Use case created. The Italian company lost the trial to Naftogaz. The Stockholm court did not satisfy the Italians ’claim for $ 260 million, but imposed a fine on Naftogaz of $ 12.5 million in favor of the Italians. Maybe Gazprom’s strategy is this if the fine is about 5% of the amount. Already about 1.5 billion bucks. I am sure that no less qualified team of lawyers works for Gazprom, in any case I would like to hope so.
  38. 31rus
    31rus 19 January 2016 12: 56 New
    +3
    Dear, I see you are so worried about Gas Prom? What is Nord Stream-2, to whom? Countries that do not consider us people, countries that contributed to the crisis in Ukraine, countries that are moving troops to our borders. Wake up, we feed from the hands of their enemies, if you supply gas, oil, then only for the necessary technology, production. The Americans will occupy the market, but let them occupy, they will still bend the EU as they wish, what kind of nonsense, Europe imposes sanctions, thereby violating its own obligations we pull a new branch
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 19 January 2016 13: 43 New
      +1
      What you offer is perfect. That’s why it’s impossible. So far, the Gaidar-Chubais fosterlings are in power in our country. They feed from hand and feed from hand, they are flesh from the flesh west. The worst part of it, because the West is still far away, and these bastards are making an unbearable life for us here and now. The only difference is that then we also brazenly spat in the face. Than almost brought to the explosion. Now they all love death for their homeland.
  39. bobba94
    bobba94 19 January 2016 13: 44 New
    +3
    The article is not dumb, but very dumb. Such is all patriotic and snotty. Not a word about who, in the end, pays for gas transit - the seller or the buyer. Not a word about the tariff for gas transit in transit countries. How much, for example, does gas transit take from Slovakia, a typical Eastern European country?
  40. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 19 January 2016 13: 51 New
    0
    Yes, my comrades from Israel will forgive me, but all these feints with my ears look like removing a competitor from eastern Europe (Gazprom) and clearing a place for Israeli gas, at first the South Stream was hacked by pressure on Bulgaria, a provocation was conceived for the Turkish Stream Turkey, for one and removing a competitor for its gas. A war in Syria to prevent Qatari gas from entering Europe and Turkey, new sanctions against Iran, in order to prevent increased supplies to Turkey and put an end to Turkey’s dream of becoming a gas hub .War in Ukraine, in order to complicate the supply of Russian gas to Europe in one place to clear the place for its gas, by supplying gas from Europe to Ukraine. So if you imagine the Israeli flow as an inevitable reality, then the whole mosaic falls into place
  41. Oleg56.ru
    Oleg56.ru 19 January 2016 18: 32 New
    -1
    Let's go}} {yy, there is no gas transit through 404!
  42. gergi
    gergi 19 January 2016 20: 06 New
    -1
    With occupants are not traded. Kakly occupied? Occupied! Here, sit and don’t .... those!