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Kiev and "cognitive dissonance"

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Almost simultaneously, the representative of the President of Russia, Boris Gryzlov, held talks in Kiev with Poroshenko, and presidential aide Vladislav Surkov was constructive and useful, and even in a brainstorming session, talked in Kaliningrad for six (!) Hours with US Secretary of State Kerry.




Gryzlov probably brought to Kiev the last proposal of the Kremlin on the implementation of the Minsk agreements, this is evidenced by the increase in the status of the negotiator, Boris Gryzlov - a member of the Russian Security Council. So that the Kremlin could say: “I did everything I could?”

Surkov spoke with Nuland about Ukraine too, but without Ukrainian representatives, to which a number of commentators in Kiev took offense. Do not merge?

This is the case when the secret will very soon become apparent. It seems that Gryzlov is the last chance for Poroshenko. Surkov's meeting with Nuland is even more interesting: who is Surkov, and who is Nuland?

Vladislav Surkov, although he is an assistant to the President of Russia, is clearly not a pair of Victoria Nuland, the US Under-Secretary of State. Vladislav, obviously, of lower rank, and also a non-public face. The former Yukos PR man, who became a Kremlin political consultant and curator of the Donbass policy of Moscow, has always been cursed by the Western press. With such a background - and six-hour negotiations with the second face of American diplomacy! Therefore Surkov was bursting with an excess of feelings, and he switched to a figurative language, speaking of “brainstorming”, together with Nuland ...

Not to mention the fact that for Kiev Surkov is just an odious figure, he even had a "case" about his involvement in the execution of the "heavenly hundred"!

This means that US Secretary of State Kerry really asked the Kremlin to meet with Nuland, and he had no choice. The phenomenon of Surkov in Kaliningrad, along with Nuland, is the message without words of Moscow to the entire Kiev top, so that everyone understands what is happening: they gave up on Kiev, and Washington, too! And there is some kind of denouement!

At this time, the General Prosecutor’s Office of Ukraine, under the leadership of the unsuccessfully dismissed, at the insistence of Nalyvaichenko and the company, Shokin, Poroshenko’s faithful oprichnik, conducts “large-scale checks” of the Right Sector battalions, Bandera’s avant-garde. Right before the second anniversary of the “revolution of dignity” ... The official Kiev press reported about this.

At the same time, Eduard Basurin, the speaker of the Donetsk Republic, reports on constant exchanges of fire between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and militants of the Right Sector in the ATO zone, and even about the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operations to neutralize nationalist gangs that came out of the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

But the president of Poroshenko’s zits-president, on the contrary, continues to make aggressive and anti-Russian statements: “Ukraine will return to the Donbass!”, Although according to the Minsk agreements it’s right to say “will return”, according to these agreements. “Since January 1, Russia has begun economic aggression against Ukraine,” Poroshenko broadcasts, regarding the cancellation of TSN benefits, while the “most favored” regime in trade with Russia is “aggression” for him.

At the same time, the Security Service of Ukraine in Kiev kills one of the well-known Bandera saboteurs, the Man-Forester, during a detention at the safe house. One of the special forces is also dying. Kiev's “free press” immediately shouted that the Russian terrorist group had been neutralized.

Or maybe it was the Russian task force that detained the Forester? These questions today torment the true Nazi Bandera, because they know exactly who the Forester is. Or do Poroshenko's oprichniki clean up the “Right Sector”, from which Dmytro Yarosh very soon left?

Looking at all this, the true Banderots, who with dignity, are now experiencing a terrible cognitive dissonance, a kind of split personality or schizophrenia. When they hear one thing, they see something completely different. For two years, Poroshenko has been loudly speaking about “peremogs” over the “Russian aggressor”, but his eyes see only “zrady”.

And the next tranche from the IMF is expected only in February, although it should have been last year. And it will not do, but “expected” - feel the difference ...

The ex-president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk also struck a cognitive dissonance, and he suddenly declared that “the Ukrainian people are ready for disobedience and an explosion.” Is it really timed to the second anniversary of the Bandera coup? Maybe Kravchuk knows something about the Minsk political backstage, or he has a presentiment, because he himself participated in the collapse of the USSR ...

... Rosaviatsiya, analyzing the Dutch report on the Malaysian Boeing crash, pointed out to the Dutch Security Council that it was falsified, and roughly: there are no characteristic traces of "I-beams" on the wreckage of the aircraft - the damaging elements of the Beech missile warhead, which appears, nevertheless, in the Dutch report If the Minsk agreements are still disrupted, the Rosaviatsia will probably prove further which rocket leaves traces on the fragments of the Malaysian Boeing.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 18 January 2016 06: 48
    +7
    they hear one thing and they see it is another
    who are stubborn, they don’t want to see, they close their eyes. They live only with their ears, sometimes with a zomboyaschik and Facebook peer-mogs
  2. Great-grandfather of Zeus
    Great-grandfather of Zeus 18 January 2016 06: 53
    11
    Victor, you mixed a dozen events into a bunch, without specifically dwelling on anything. Therefore, I’ll ask, is there anything about the article?
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 18 January 2016 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: Great-grandfather of Zeus
      Victor, you mixed a dozen events into a bunch, without specifically dwelling on anything. Therefore, I’ll ask, is there anything about the article?


      Well, at least according to Surkov, the author spoke quite decently and interestingly. And in general, there are certainly interesting thoughts in the article, although somewhat messy. hi
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 January 2016 06: 54
    +3
    For two years now, Poroshenko has been loudly announcing "overtaxes" over the "Russian aggressor", but his eyes see only "zrad".

    Here, no matter how the Ukrainian is a Natsik (except for those already completely crazy on this basis), he also sees that the "peremoga" turns out to be somehow incomprehensible. In words, one thing, but in one's own skin it is completely different. And in addition to everything, the Americans are "stirring up" something with the Russians, and what is most terrible behind the back of Ukraine, devoted to the United States. Really "zrada". Rather, this bloody theater of absurdity would have ended.
  4. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 18 January 2016 07: 07
    19
    Looking at all this, true Banderites who, with dignity, are now experiencing terrible cognitive dissonance, a kind of split personality or schizophrenia.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 18 January 2016 07: 22
    +3
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Rather, this bloody theater of the absurd would have ended.

    Unfortunately, this is a long prospect. How many chased OUN and UPA? And this is in a situation where the state had much more opportunities.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 18 January 2016 15: 16
      +3
      Quote: ImPerts
      How many chased OUN and UPA?
      When they were driven, they sat quietly. and Farion was a Komsomol activist.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 19 January 2016 05: 55
        0
        When Farion was a Komsomol activist, they were no longer persecuted. They pretended that they did not exist.
        But in any case, they were driven or not noticed, then the state had more opportunities. Both during the leadership of Stalin, and then.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 19 January 2016 07: 20
          +1
          Quote: ImPerts
          they were no longer driven. They pretended not to exist.
          Aha! If the guys tried to zigzag somewhere outside the caches at that time, they would quickly break their arms. Therefore, even the appearance did not have to be done. Individual thugs in Moscow, Leningrad and other cities of the USSR also extolled Hitler. It is clear that there were more fans of Bandera in Ivano-Frankivsk than there were "Vlasovites" in Saratov, but all these were isolated manifestations (mostly of adolescent extremism). In the meantime, the phenomenon is not widespread, who is going to chase after these drizzling special services?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 18 January 2016 07: 43
    +3
    Or did the Oprichniki Poroshenko clean up the “Right Sector”, from which Dmytro Yarosh left on time? ... About Yarosh ... the main thing is to wash off in time ... and wash off ... But I think, Yarosh is still the armored train that stands on the siding ... or forever ... or else they will withdraw ...
  7. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 18 January 2016 07: 52
    +3
    There it is the most dissonance, as I think, since the Pereyaslovskaya Rada has not gone anywhere. This is the profile diagnosis of the local "comrades", if you put it without any politeness ..
  8. serkhan
    serkhan 18 January 2016 07: 58
    +9
    Vladislav Surkov, although an aide to the President of Russia, is clearly not a couple of Victoria Nuland, US Under Secretary of State. Vladislav, obviously, lower rank

    Why on earth? The fact that Nuland was distributing pies in Kiev does not give her a reason to open the Kremlin with a kick. Everything is really adequate, and if Nuland thought something else about herself, then she was again gently indicated her place.
  9. Gray 43
    Gray 43 18 January 2016 09: 16
    +1
    According to eyewitnesses, Nuland was very agitated - why would that be? Or is it also "cleaned up"?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 18 January 2016 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: Gray 43
      According to eyewitnesses, Nuland was very agitated - why would that be? Or is it also "cleaned up"?


      Doctor: "Mmdya. How everything is running, my friend ...".
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 January 2016 09: 53
    +4
    No matter what thoughts and opinions we expressed on the situation in / in Ukraine, without additional information we can both guess and fly with a forecast of events. We will, as they say, see. Too many factors, both known and unknown, will affect the final picture. Moreover, both political, and economic, and internal, and external, and ours, and European, and state, are involved, in short such a mess that a mere mortal can only wait for what happens in the end.
  11. jovanni
    jovanni 18 January 2016 10: 13
    0
    Yes, she simply shared her experience on how to distribute cookies to Ukrainians. So that they jump for joy ...
    1. tank64rus
      tank64rus 18 January 2016 20: 38
      +1
      She probably remembered how she cooked borsch on a Russian ship.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  12. miha77
    miha77 18 January 2016 10: 17
    10
    I have many friends in Ukraine and believe absolutely normal, adequate people who understand the whole situation and can not do anything, because there is no real opposition to the existing power, there is no real center or if you want points of application of force.
    1. Samen
      Samen 18 January 2016 12: 37
      0
      Quote: miha77
      because there is no real opposition to the existing power, there is no real center or if you want points of application of force.

      ... I would add: there are no sources of financing. And this, perhaps, is the main thing. The crisis, gentlemen! Not up to you ...
  13. Scud
    Scud 18 January 2016 10: 18
    +4
    I can accurately report that the Bendery junta will lead to the destruction of Dill, and sooner or later. Psheks have already made millions of applications for the return of their real estate and lands in Bendery. Transcarpathia is also a tidbit for Hungarians, etc. The Nazis will lead the country to collapse, extinction to hatred between its own citizens. Of Russia.
    1. avt
      avt 18 January 2016 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: miha77
      I have many friends in Ukraine and believe absolutely normal, adequate people who understand the whole situation and can’t do anything,

      The question is - did they become adequate after sensing an objective reality voiced by their own eurointegrators? Well, when faced with at least this
      “Catastrophically large restrictions or quotas have been established for the export of food products from Ukraine.

      To make you understand: Ukraine produces 1 million 200 thousand tons of chicken meat per year. At the same time, Europe gave Ukraine a duty-free quota of 16 thousand tons. Well, plus, you can still import 20 thousand tons of whole frozen chicken (which absolutely no one needs) without import duty. For everything above this quota, the duty is more than 1000 euros per ton.

      They (the EU) clearly defended their own interests, and Ukraine lost. Therefore, I believe that the free trade zone, which is very much promoted today, is a deception of Ukraine. ”Former deputy head of the presidential administration of Ukraine, and now adviser to Poroshenko, billionaire businessman Yuriy Kosyuk said that the EU had deceived Ukraine with free trade.

      Recall, from January 1, 2016, an agreement on an in-depth and comprehensive free trade zone (FTA) between Ukraine and the European Union entered into force.
      Or were they adequate even then about three years ago, when Putin’s leadership warned them EXACTLY about this?
      Quote: scud
      I can definitely report that the Bendery junta will lead to the destruction of Dill, and sooner or later

      What is the use of reporting? All this was said even BEFORE the Maidan, well .... One thing will come out of some sort of Koftun and say - and Ukraine is alive, that you are croaking and will be believed.
  14. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 18 January 2016 10: 40
    +5
    Sometimes I wonder if the Maidan people are right and they didn’t come from the Slavs at all, and their ancestors were Orcs, Urks, or worse Ukrainians.
  15. Belousov
    Belousov 18 January 2016 10: 51
    +3
    Well, dipping Nuland into the brown substance and lowering it to the level of Surkov is certainly correct. But the main outcome of the negotiations. But we do not see him yet.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 18 January 2016 11: 55
      +6
      Quote: Belousov
      But the main outcome of the negotiations. But we do not see him yet.

      I will repeat it again. Once the brainstorming session has been "conceived", the results will be in 9 months. hi
      Or maybe she asked for a house in Rostov for Obama, and for herself, respectively wassat in case of a volcanic eruption, so to speak.
      1. musorg
        musorg 18 January 2016 12: 12
        0
        Brainstorming, and the result after 9 months?
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 18 January 2016 12: 33
          0
          Yes, God is with you. On an old nag, but in a hungry year no one will climb for a bag of potatoes. Unless only Prokhor Chaliapin, there is experience.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 18 January 2016 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Egoza


        Not a prediction, but a simple reflection. The basis of all the latest shuttle "back and forth" - the upcoming elections in the "exclusive". Each of the contenders for the throne is trying to stake out on the playing field (both on the territory of "pro" and "anti"). Madame Nuland is a person to a greater extent H. Clinton than B. Obama, especially since Obama has already been "written off" by the establishment. Here she (Nuland) probes the soil on the instructions of her patroness, and at the same time guarantees herself a warm place at the throne. VVP did the right thing by not making personal contact with this lady, since the option with H. Clinton is vague. IMHO - something like that. hi
  16. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 January 2016 11: 11
    +6
    It is foolish to make assumptions, just wait three months and everything will become clear. One thing is firmly known - America is our enemy, striving to destroy us and it will never do anything good to us. There will be an opportunity to bite even on trifles - it will surely bite, hoping for help from her - the greatest possible stupidity.
  17. sibiryk
    sibiryk 18 January 2016 11: 25
    -5
    Quote: miha77
    I have many friends in Ukraine and believe absolutely normal, adequate people ,

    hard to believe wassat
  18. iouris
    iouris 18 January 2016 12: 46
    0
    Quote:
    ... Russian presidential representative Boris Gryzlov held talks in Kiev with Poroshenko, and presidential aide Vladislav Surkov ... talked in Kaliningrad with Victoria Nuland, US Under Secretary of State Kerry.
    End of quote.
    I am guessing:
    Or is Nuland not a diplomat but Commissioner Obama?
    Or does an American (USA) eagle have many goals?
    Or didn’t Lavrov find a Surkov-level diplomat in the Foreign Ministry for negotiations with Vika Nuland?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 January 2016 17: 30
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Or didn’t Lavrov find a Surkov-level diplomat in the Foreign Ministry for negotiations with Vika Nuland?

      "... This is Vika - Emmanuel Gideonovich's companion!" :-) film "Election Day"
  19. nivander
    nivander 18 January 2016 12: 49
    +6
    Call from the State Department to the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation

    State Department (Kerry): Hello, we want to finally resolve the issue of spheres of influence in Ukraine

    ADM. (One of Medvedev’s deputies): And the topic is right for you, we’ll break down a little, but in principle we’re agreeable, but the meeting will be on our land

    State Department: OK Lithuania will quite suit us

    ADM.: EEE-Lietuva is not Russia

    State Department: Come on - I'll google now - (... the voices in the background ... "and in truth, go crazy, it's unbearable"), Well, one zero in your favor and you also have the ball - offer .. ...

    ADM.: Kaliningrad if Nuland goes, Sochi if Kerry goes

    State Department: We would like to see and speak with Mr. MedvedevFF

    ADM.: (... voices in the background .. "The lanky was dreaming") Vin is very busy, and Lavrov and Zurabov - by the way, Mr. Surkov take this and this is our back word

    State Department: FAK, and what without an advertising agent in any way? ... Eh have come. We agree !!!!



    THE AXIS IS SUCCESSFUL AND BULO
  20. koshmarik
    koshmarik 18 January 2016 13: 38
    +4
    One thing is clear. The West-Russia confrontation around Ukraine has clearly passed its equator and is on the decline. Now we are talking not so much about Ukraine itself, but about a worthy way out of the current situation, of the countries involved in this conflict. I think that Russia has in this process the chances are preferable in all respects. So it should be. Our cause is just, victory will be ours.
  21. Sinecote
    Sinecote 18 January 2016 17: 29
    +1
    “On January 1, Russia began economic aggression against Ukraine,” Poroshenko broadcasts, regarding the abolition of TSN benefits.
    Yes, he should be glad that Russia still communicates with them. Let him go for Russia to pray and Obama at the same time to put a candle for repose.
  22. samarin1969
    samarin1969 18 January 2016 17: 43
    +2
    Article - media halva ... there is no real positive for the residents of Russia and Donbass ... "when there are such people in the Russian country"
  23. dzvero
    dzvero 18 January 2016 21: 24
    +5
    I read it and wondered ... what happened that Zulland was running to bow and demanding (sic!) A meeting with the President of Russia, insisting that Russia had not fulfilled some agreement and insisted that "a war is on the doorstep" ?! Is it possible that your president shodled them as the last persons offended by hooligans using their techniques and presented them with a dilemma - war or surrender?
    Here (and on other sites) Putin is often criticized for domestic politics. Maybe in some ways they are right, I don’t know, but what he does for Russia pays off many times.
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 19 January 2016 01: 15
      +3
      A pleasant, slightly unusual and optimistic comment ... "+"
      ... the last two words are clearly not about the economy.